DODGE / STELLANTIS REFUSE TO ADMIT THEY SCREWED UP!
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2024
- In this video I share my thoughts on Dodge and Stellantis refusal to listen to their customers and admit they screwed up with their Dare Forward 2030 initiative and why they should've kept the dodge chargers and challengers longer.
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As a gm/chevy guy, dodge was like that cooler brother you looked up to. Then all of a sudden one day he stops smoking and drinking, he trades in his muscle car for a Prius, and then subsequently comes out as gay.
LMFAO
😂😂😂😂 I rarely reply to videos or comments but this one take the cake.
Everything you said is true. 😂😂😂😂
You may have more problems than you think.
😂😂😂
Stellantis is the nail in the coffin for Dodge...
Correction: the EPA in league with Tesla are the nail in the coffin for most ICE companies.
Thoroughly disgusted over this. Unless they do something drastic to revive the original brand, I'm switching to Lexus/Toyota permanently
Corporate speak for
1. We care not about the customers.
2. We care not about the employees.
3. Shareholder profit and political pandering is our focus.
The government deregulates corporations, so when will they deregulate the PEOPLE? "The Land of the Free" is false advertising, as "I can't _______(fill in the blank).""
Shareholder profit is all that CEOs should be looking at. You maximize shareholder profit by caring for you customers, loving your products and supporting your employees. When Dodge et al was purchased by an EU conglomerate, the end was set. The pathetic Hornet is proof positive that they do not know or care what their customers want.
Boomer retirements and parachutes are on the line. Screw the next generation of car buyers! lol
I don't even think they care about shareholders. It's a terrible business model.
No shareholder profit without sales.
FCA was the last time a Dodge was built.
Stellantis isn't a car company, it's an accounting firm.
America needs to buy back their Sh^t , Period !
nothing but a cash grab.... worse than daimler
@@Alx2672 Well Daimler Chrysler was not a marriage in heaven but actualy all our loved models challenger charger 300c are all based on the mercedes e class plattform. And man these cars aged well…
Whats an FCA?
@@er1115 Fiat Chrysler Something
Replacement batteries cost more than the vehicle is worth.
Absolutely correct and around Chicago a lot of people are weary buying second hand ev's
What replacement batteries are you talking about?
Insurance companies are totaling out Ev's cause the battery replacement of a 40k vehicle is 75k....wrap your head around that ..
Replacing the battery if you have to it’s very expensive that’s what they’re talking about. It’s like 20 $25,000
Not true unless you are driving a $15,000 EV but they are expensive.
if they move jobs out of your country don't buy the cars
are they really American cars anymore?
Is there really any American car anymore??
Yes...Tesla and Rivian are the most American cars now@@seth101-hv4st
@@seth101-hv4st The Tundra 🤣
There made in Canada
This is their own fault. They bought a company that built it’s American brands with an image of being a working class, traditional American car manufacturer. Whether it’s the muscle car image of Dodge, the ruggedness of Ram or the adventuring spirit of Jeep. They came in and decided that they would simply take what works in Europe and turn the American portion of the company into a European car company with a European line up. They essentially abandoned their core customer base across the board. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
They are worried more about their Fake ESG score. That's all it is. They are Fools. Its weird how companies nowdays are acting hostile against their customers, their bread & butter.. Very odd!
Now Xbox is telling game developers to make women less curvy, and men more emotional. When does this madness end? No one is going to buy this garbage car.
Ask Anheuser Busch how that Bud Light Dylan Mulvaney Ad campaign worked out. Ask Boeing how Executive Compensation over QA is working out? I remember 1971 with the emission stuff hit hard, leading into the bleak malaise years, goodbye 426 Hemi, hello Lean Burn 318 Aspen R/T… Goodbye Shelby GT500 hello King Cobra II, Goodbye Z/28 DZ 302 hello Camaro Rallysport 305. Eventually 30 years later we got the modern day Muscle Cars. Hopefully it won’t take 30 years to put this crap behind us. Hate to say it, elections matter. I’ll stick w/ mean tweets instead of these twits.
Even Hyundai Motor Group is resuming ICE engine development. Come on Dodge/Stellantis, how is Biden catching on faster than you are??? don't go out like this, its embarrassing.
Biden fucked up this country 7 ways of Sunday and the green new deal is bull feathers.
How is Biden catching on faster after strengthening restrictions? Are you people delusional? Lol. People voting for this administration are voting for this period. I don’t feel bad for any enthusiast right now. 85+ million people voted for this.
Your embarrassing
Right over 100 years of development and they are being forced to throw it all away to follow government regulations. One of the worst things to happen to the car industry.
??? Hyundai never stopped. Most of their BEV's are repurposed ICE chassis, which is silly, non-competitive, inefficient and what Stellantis is doing from ground up. The problem they have and legacy is QUALITY. 100 years of expertise, and they have INSANE recalls and warranty issues that cost BILLIONS and hurt investments into EV manufacturing, killing margins. Biden hasn't changed even though it's not really him it's the FAKE fear mongering climate industry. That has nothing to do with it. People are sick of being at the whim of OPEC and wars for oil and shoddy vehicles that require maintenance and repair as a profit centers. Carbon emissions aren't the best to be breathing either... ask China. I'm a petrol head and can tell you the negative hype about Tesla is just that, hype.
Dodge is going to end up like Oldsmobile and pontiac.
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Oldsmobile?
Plymouth
Dodge will end up like Mercury
Well Pontiac was shut down by the government. Environmental Eruo loonies are killing Dodge,Jeep, and Chrysler.
Just let this company pass into the history books. They had a nice run with the muscle cars selling yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices. The tank is empty. None of their other cars are even remotely competitive unless theyre dirt cheap.
Many of us would still rather have yesterday's technology.
@@michaelholt8590 For what Dodge charges for it?
@@michaelholt8590 I agree, but nothing said was false.
Such crying, the turbo 6 would be good. Depending on how the EPA would be in the future, we'll probably see one v8 available again. One mistake they're making is they don't have any competent entry level vehicles (Dart, Neon, Shadow, etc),no Journey replacement and the Hornet is so rebadged Italian POS that nobody wants, this needs to be corrected
@@ljmorris6496 It doesn't matter how good the inline 6 is. The majority of the people wanting a challenger or charger are going to want a Hemi V8.
How about not jacking MSRP prices up on JEEP 45%
If idiots weren't paying it....they wouldn't charge it ..
They’re not paying it that’s why lots are overrun and they’re laying off people
Jeep is going to / in the process of losing an entire generation of buyers.
They are pricing people out of their products.
Yep. I wouldn't touch a Jeep for any money, but all of a sudden Stellantis decided a few years ago that over night it was a "luxury brand" - without doing ANYTHING to justify that moniker other than to call them that? LOL!!!!!!!! This company is and has been TRASH for fifty five or so years.
The last jeep built that was worth its selling price was in "49"
They moved up market for Jeep and it was a disaster
Thing stellantis didn’t account for is the name. Cdjr will NEVER be associated with luxury. It’s still gonna be
c-crappy low/middle vehicles
j-“rugged” off-roading stuff
d-shit nobody wants
r- overpriced shitbox trucks
Stellantis- “why are we losing money??? I know, lets fire a bunch of people instead of lowering our hyper-inflated prices”
So sad Stellantis/Dodge has lost their way.
No, they haven't lost their way They're being outsourced to China. 1/3 of the business is going there. Thanks to the UAW and his Biden friends.
Do not put Dodge in with this other company. They are Chinese venture 1/3 of the business is going there. They control most of the EV market.
Not American company Doing 1/3 of the business with Chi. Na. Leave the Dodge name out of it. These are corrupt people that are running this company down.
I doubt its Dodge, more like Stellantis. A woke European company that doesn't understand Dodge or the U.S.
I like the Challenger and Charger, but I could see this coming years ago. These are basically 20yr old Daimler platforms that Stellantis is charging six figures for, the bubble had to burst eventually.
30+ years
Congratulations Dodge. You managed to build a fake electric so called muscle car that makes fake noises and an overpriced crossover that few want. Not to mention ruining the iconic Six Pack and GLH badging. Way to go.👍
Someone needs to put the fake sounds on some children's electric car. Just imagine the glee of a six year old when their car sounds like a muscle car that they'll never be able to drive when they grow up. The dodge gurls are being transitioned into the future.
Spot on.. that's a good take.
So sad but true.@@aaronfarnsworth7653
I as a life long Chrysler & Mopar fan who owned two 1970 Challengers & two 1969 Chargers, along with several more classics & the 80's Turbo cars & lately a 2014 Challenger & a new 2021 Ram Limited. I have been so disenchanted & disgusted with the new direction of the company that I just sold my flawless low mile Challenger & last Saturday my loaded Ram Limited. I'm done.
The dodge Brothers are spinning in their graves
I’m done with dodge to selling off my Ram
@vinniecorleone62 This right here💯. Learned how to drive in Grandaddys 82 Ram and have driven them since-even though my dad was a STAUNCH Ford guy. Just finished unloading both 20 & 21 Challengers & 17 & 21 Ram 1500’s this past weekend. Replaced them with a 24 F-150 5.0 & 24 Mustang Dark Horse. So far I’m definitely enjoying them, but time will tell.
I am holding on to my older Dodge products, since they are connected to the Stellantis/Fiat crap. 08 Ram 1500 5.7, 04 Ram 1500 5.7, 2001 Ram 1500 5.9, 00 Durango R/T, 00 Dakota R/T, 95 Ram 2500 5.9 & Grandaddys 82 Ram 5.9.
I had a 1970 Challenger 318/automatic at age 16 back in 1975. There is no way you can compare the ugly ghetto trash they are building now to the beautiful cars they made back in the '60s and '70s. Mopar has been gone since the MB merger.
@@geraldscott4302lol... You're the only one that thinks the hellcat or demon or scat packs are ghetto. You need to grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you.🙄😭
It is like an Ayan Rand novel. The creative, productive employees are let go. They are going to make unreliable cars that their customer's don't want and are too expensive to maintain. On top of that, Stellantis is re-releasing the Fiat 500 in the USA since it is according to them "iconic." I think most Americans would agree that it is iconically ugly.
I rented a Fiat 500 once. Nice little car. Limited appeal cuz it was really only a 2-seater. And the back seats didn't fold flat. So, I knew it'd fail in the US. Only so much room for a truly niche car. I've seen used ones, low miles, for a couple K. Won't purchase cuz of the reliability issues. Also considered the 500x, but same engine/granny as the Patriot. No thanks.
I personally don't have a problem with the Fiat 500, I like it's retro look. But the thing is, Fiats are made as a cheap everyman's car. Most Americans don't like small cars. Therefore, they don't sell well. I personally like cars across the spectrum for variety, but....I digress. So, when cars are sold in high volumes, usually parts are not kept on hand. Which means you import them. So, cheap car + expensive parts = bad reputation. In places like Europe, parts of Africa, and South America where they are everywhere....parts are cheap. Another thing, I don't think many Americans work on their own cars. Going by a lot of folks I know. I can count on one hand the amount of people I personally know, that drive, that work on their own cars.
They Fiat 500 are not made in the US or Canada so why would anyone buy one
30 years as a Chrysler Tech, all of the Fiat based vehicles are poorly made poorly designed cars that are unreliable. When the Peugeot FCA deal was announced the writing was on the wall! FCA struggled to even supply oil filters, let alone replacement parts for warranty repairs.
For example, I waited 2 months to get a back ordered rear main seal for a Hemi, during that time I received a call every week from Chrysler asking whe the County Sheriff's Police Car was not repaired yet. It could have been on the road in one week if they would have authorized an aftermarket part!
I barely even see those on the road compared to when they first came out with the new revival, it's been months.
The price is just too high on Challengers now, plus dealers are just being assholes with markups and bait and switch.
Remember when Chrysler/Dodge put out affordable small cars? Right now they need less high price trucks and more small cars. There still is room for performance cars, but back in the first muscle car era they were affordable cars. And NOT the Hornet. 👎🏻
Yes, I don’t doubt they moved the jobs out of the country. Not because the company is broke, but to increase upper management bonuses. EV’s are just virtual signaling.
And coming from a GM guy. I feel like they are ending the muscle car wars. I mean it's hard to explain what I'm trying to say. I love muscle cars from all American Brands!!!
Coming from another GM (well, Saturn) guy, I have to say, Dodge has a very fine musclecar. Except for the high prices. And all of the units the Arkansas State Police have destroyed in PIT maneuvers on RUclips. I don't personally see the point though. Econoboxes might not be sexy, but they meet my needs and are easy on the wallet !!
Us baby boomers lived through the death of the muscle car in the early 1970's only to see them rebound better than ever years later providing both impressive performance AND decent gas mileage. Hang tight & don't despair.
@@johnmcmullen456 It won't come back this time. Increasing crackdowns on fuel efficency, as well as the fact hardly anyone buys cars anymore, it's mostly large SUVs and Trucks that sell in the US. There is no coming back from this.
@@drunkhusband6257Over the years we have seen once popular full size cars, midsize cars, and minivans come & go. I don't understand today's obsession with SUV, crossover, & truck vehicles, but that will someday pass as well. Buyer tastes are constantly changing and when a manufacturer strikes a hit with something fresh, you can bet all the others will get on the bandwagon, like what happened when the original Mustang and minivan came out. Unfortunately the buyers of today increasingly perceive vehicles as merely appliances, but I'm confident that enough of us true enthusiasts remain to justify offering new muscle car models. To be successful though buyers will have to be open minded as to what form they take and how they are powered. I am not an EV advocate, but if the upcoming Charger EV is a failure as some wish, that certainly hurts the prospects for seeing other new performance coupes come out whether ICE, hybrid, or EV.
I'm also ashamed to drive a chevy because of their asinine corporate decisions
They discontinued the Camaro 😡
The American V8s being killed for EVs that only cringy celebs and influencers want is sad
@@thedragonofdalzell and pansy liberals.
As a owner of a Dodge vehicle, I feel this company is grossly mismanaged. It's products are way overpriced and they are pushing buyers away to competitors. Take Jeep Wrangler as example, facing competition from Ford Bronco, yet they still keep their prices ridiculously high.
Tim Kuniskis is Running Dodge Jeep Ram into the ground.
I remember the NYC Auto Show in 2015 when the update took place. It was AMAZING the set up they had, the energy, the excitement I looked over my photos just yesterday. 🚙 My local dealer has 3 2022 Dodge Challenger Scat Packs STILL for sale!!! Original 53k, they brought down to just 50k, come on….
@capricetony Right and the second you sign the paperwork on that $50K "bargain" your brand new Scat Pack becomes a two-year old used car. Person would have to be nuts to buy it.
Bean counters never make good cars.
Dealership lots filled with vehicles nobody wants will be a tough reality pill for all the automakers. See what happens when Government starts forcing crap on people? They end up with a 100% waste product. That's what happens.
Everytime
Its like the auto industry is being sold out.
It is. Thank the regime
It is. Thank the regime
Sadly the dodge muscle car era seems over. They will sell an initial rush of some EV’s but it will drop like a boat anchor.⚓️
The entire North American continent needs to be re educated on what the government wants us to drive. That should only take 100 years.
I parted company with the entire Dodge culture a few years ago. From the executives, to misleading marketing, corrupt dealers, poor quality, and down to the theft & thuggery in the streets, good riddance. I saw this coming. I’m professional, can drive the “big” names, yet supported and advocated for Dodge, owning 2 Hellcats for years. Then, things changed, I got rid of them & haven’t looked back. I was so embarrassed by what Dodge has become.
This is just another unfortunate example of how global corporate interests override the desires of the general population.
No Hemi, No Buy!
Those Gold School rims and that silver shaker are way too cool
I understand that many of the workers in the group of 400 were software engineers. It is my opinion that Chrysler has enjoyed a software advantage over the other big two for the better part of a decade. Therefore I suspect they think they can just put software on autopilot for a couple years and still maintain their lead. However, anyone who thinks that is a moron.
EV’s are a flash in the pan. They won’t last long. 😂😂😂😂
When they came out with the Hornet, I knew then Dodge was done. Ive never seen anyone buy that car.
Last week, I saw my first hornet on the road. I had to take a picture of such a momentous occasion!
@@DudetaketheBus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DudetaketheBus post it to RUclips and title it “hornet spotted” 😂 😂
@@doctorj7112 he should’ve definitely posted that rare occasion
@@doctorj7112 it’s a picture, I can’t turn that into a whole video 🥲
The government set emissions mandates that cannot be met unless EV's are a majority of vehicles sold....and corporate doesn't have the guts to tell them to go pound sand. If you don't meet the emissions targets you get FINED...which is the whole reason behind them. They are trying to fine everyone into moving to the '15 minute city' like they want.
It is CAFE that gets you fined. If you don't pass on emission, you can't sell the vehicle for street use and motorists can't register them.
Abolish all this nonsense… all has to go
What a nightmare…I mean, this is just a bad dream, right?! Owning ICE vehicles is the smart play for the next 10 years.
I agree with you but I think we need to transition to EVs too. Although gradually not overnight
@markwilliams6378 we don't need EVs.
@@markwilliams6378 - why, so more kids can be enslaved to mine Lithium?
Oh they are just little African children is all.. out of sight out of mind.
The "progressives" can pretend they are doing something good for their child slave labor force while saving the planet too.
Aunt nancy has loads of investments in the EV game over in China.. she needs to reap a good return sooner or later.@@captainamerica9353
Come on over to the Blue Oval. I stone cold love my “Everyday Super Car” - 2018 Mustang GT. 5+ years and 65,000 miles of great driving pleasure. I get a big happy grin every time I push the start button. In another year or two I’ll likely move on to the next generation Mustang. Stellantis is not a company interested in building cars for enthusiasts. Happy motoring 🇺🇸🤠
I'm with you... Been MoPar since the 70's, wouldn't take a FREE vehicle from Stellantis.
A Turd in the punch bowl .. killed me ☠️😂😂
A rainbow fist shot out of the electrified punch bowl, tried to fist me and grab another turd!🤯😂
You could NOT give me a Dodge product, nope, I have self respect.
The worst part was during their electric challenger commercial they claimed they weren’t complying with the government. Lmao. That’s exactly what they’re doing
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I'm figuring what this means is that Stellantis is planning to switch to all rebadged import cars that Americans already don't want. If they get rid of American engineers that have an idea of what they Americans want they won't have anything Americans want.
They want to churn out rebadged Peugeots.
Well, overprice your inventory and this is what you get. If you’ve owned extreme power, it makes it really easy to ignore these clowns.
FJB FJB and his Democrat Administration and these EV'S too 💪💪💪💪💪
💯 brother. They will realize they screwed up. Give it a few years
The reason they kept the number of people at 400 is because the law says if you layoff more than 500, you have to make an announcement 60 days in advance. I have a feeling there will be another round or two before this is over.
Blame the EPA, govt agencies, and politicians who force fuel and safety standards. These are the people who decide what we drive.
Well those agencies exist for a reason..but I do believe the implication of EV’s from some companies including stalantis was poorly thought out
Bingo
If Anhauser Busch were an auto manufacturer.
Again, you’re 100% correct! You nail it every time you make a video!
Yesterday I made an offer on a 70 thousand dollar SuperBee. I offered him 58,000. It’s been sitting there for over a year now. He begged me to make him an offer. Then he goes I could give it to you for retail and I said, whats retail? He says 69,000.. Ahahahah ahahahahaa ahahahahaha….
The rubber tires will rot before it gets sold
The writing has been on the wall for about 15 years. DC is destroying the US auto industry. I spent 1997-2021 in the auto business, on a retailer level. I've repeatedly watched manufacturers put their dealers in no-win after no-win situation. The breaking point for me was (then) FCA jamming Pacifica plug-in hybrid EV's (f'n electric minivans), with MSRP's way above the market (then $50's-$60's) with only $50-$165 in total retail margin for the sales department to work with. That isn't a typo. When no dealer ordered any (why would they?), FCA started tying monthly bonus tiers and the future allocation of the more desirable RAM models to Pacifica sales. They aren't alone. Nissan is famous for this same BS. The public complains about the retailer experience (many times justifiedly) but make no mistake, behind every awful dealership experience is a manufacturer pulling the puppet strings that spell certain destruction of the brand. RAM and Jeep will get parted out to the highest bidder at some point. Chrysler is done, Dodge isn't far behind. GROSS
Electric cars: A plan that doesn't work to fix a problem that doesn't exist!
Ppl have been complaining about gas prices non stop. They drive a big V8 and spend $500 a month. They switch to EV and pay $10/month. You sure a problem doesn't exist. If only wealthy ppl were paying these insane prices I'd kind of agree but broke ppl should be driving electric. My monthly payment is paid for with the money I'm saving.
@@cblue3581the problem doesn't exist. Not everyone drives a big v8 truck.
Fair enough but if you drive anything other than a V8 why aren't you driving an EV?@@er1115
@cblue3581 the solution isn't EVs its the fraudulent administration wrecking this country. Trump had us energy independent. You can't argue with that.
In your world ppl don't constantly complain about gas prices?@@er1115
Did you put the riser kit on your shaker?
Chryslers claim to fame was that they could undercut Ford and GM prices for a similarly equipped vehicle back in the day. They were the regular guys budget option and offered value. I have no idea what the current mission is. Mismanaged from overseas seems to have been the slogan for many years now.
My family grew up on Chrysler/Dodge. My dad's car was a '66 Windsor, I raised my family with a grand Caravan, we vacation with our Ram 1500, my classic was my great aunt's '68 Newport Custom 2dr.
As our fleet ages out, we are now shopping for a Toyota. Not one damn reason to go back.
No need to sell your Challenger, enjoy it and keep it a long time.
If the company could come out with a basic car, manual windows, manual locks, with all the technical flat screen electronics taken out and basic A/C and basic radio, with a great V-8 that gets great fuel mileage, for an affordable price under $25k, they could get back to normal.. I know I would buy one. I hate all these new 'tech vehicles'
If the government mandates backup cameras and lane departure stuff, and now "anti-DUI stuff", I'm afraid the electronics aren't going away. And with pollution controls, "fuel-efficient V8" is an oxymoron. When I absolutely cannot drive my stickshift 1.9L Saturns anymore, I might go to Toyota or Kia/Hyundai's econoboxes. I heard bad things about Mistubishi's econoboxes right now.
Aim for $15k and still turn a hefty profit at $20k. This is why people are combing through scrap yards to rescue 40 year old vehicles. Simple to maintain and a healthy abundant aftermarket industry that understands that knowing your customers wants is key to good business.
Pretty soon the package will say batteries not included 😂
Keep preaching the truth man!❤
You can thank the powers that be for pushing regulations and laws to convert EVERYTHING to electric. EPA new regulations were just recently released. Why do you think all cars now have smaller turbo engines…regime change is needed
All of the 3 letter agencies are out of control, regardless of who is installed in the WH. Most of those agencies need to be straight up abolished.
Agree
The definition of Insanity is Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different outcome. Stellantis is trying to destroy itself and if they have to go down they want to take everyone down with them!!!
Time to call Lee Iococa back to make those Dodge K series again! 😂
Had my 2020 Pacifica S in for service recently and was eyeing a 300C in the showroom.62k msrp and for sale at 59k. I told the salesman cut a better deal and I’d be interested.He says this is the last call and only one allocated to each dealership. I told him I was the only customer in the showroom and the service department at 10am.Keep this up and it will be the last call for your dealership.By the way I love your sportscoat.Mike the Greek
I have three Demons(2 OG’s&one 170), TRX and four old school Mopars. This past year with all the fiascos with the 170 and the bad behavior from dealerships with Dodge’s approval coupled with the EV’s has left a bad stench on a brand that I have loved my entire life. I’m a third generation Mopar guy with two generations underneath me that’s a fan for a total of five generations of Mopar loyalty. As a family we are walking away from this brand. I can’t really enjoy or celebrate this 170. I feel embarrassed to own it knowing many of my fellow Mopar brothers were screwed out of owning one. I’ve never liked Ford but it looks that’s the direction my family will be heading. Thank you OC for always being a straight shooter and not being afraid to give us the real facts.
Markups are frauds. It should be against the law it's a scam. Never pay the above sticker for any car, no matter how bad you want it.
Did I miss it? Did you sell the demon 170 is it gone?
Hopefully, I’ll be able to get my hands on some good parts for my scat pack. Not getting rid of my car…NO WAY! It’s unfortunate that they can’t own up to their mistakes and pass their misgivings into the employees. Sad
Go ahead and start making plans to rebuild or swap the engine out then because they ain’t making them no mo
I have been saying all along that Stellantis has been sabotaging the CDJR brands since their 2021 PSA merger with FCA. Stellantis has other brands and they are going to try and push, over what the American enthusiast have loved for so many years, which is the muscle car and everyday commuters that are ICE not electric. The hybrid version are an option that some may actually go for that will not have anything to do with full EV. Just look at their brands before the merger and what they offer as Stellantis now. They are French company based in Amsterdam and been very frugal on ICE vehicles for years and more on gas saving and electrification. I have been a Mopar enthusiast for my entire life but have owned many other brands throughout. I currently have a stable full of Mopar branded vehicles from older classics to new modern examples of muscle car HP. I am deeply disappointed in the direction the CDJR has went but not surprised as I was skeptic form the start of the merger. I can only hope that some day the true meaning and value of the brand returns, if not I will never buy another Mopar .
I have owned 3 Challenger's and I still own 2 this wasn't the smartest move to discontinue the Challenger in 23
In the early 80s, i serviced equipment in the world headquarters. After observing how the company was ran, vowed to never buy their products.
As dissapointed as I am with Dodge, I just bought a brand new scat pack challenger only because the hemi is going away. I always wanted a challenger so I thought while I could get one I better. In my area the wide body challenger is almost impossible to find. I had to buy a non wide body because there are none available anywhere around me.. I know for myself and talking to people , people are buying them up because the hemi is gone and like myself and so many we are all very dissapointed with this electric charger coming up! Im very happy with my purchase and actually saved almost 9 grand off sticker! I trully hope Dodge gets it together because as a mopar guy its so heartbreaking to see where things are going....
Sometimes, I feel the same way about owning my Challenger. The way they conduct themselves and run their business is embarrassing. It makes me not want anything to do with them.
I wouldn't worry about it like that- the Charger and Challenger platforms were designed and built before Stellantis took control. Stellantis contributed very little- if anything to these cars. No one got rid of their Chevelles, Novas, Camaros, etc when GM nearly tanked itself and had the taxpayers bail them out.
All car sales are down. HELLO! Nobody wants 9% on an auto loan.
What’s up OC I asked about a widebody scat at a dealer in Valencia CA. They had it listed for 59,995 I asked for an out the door price and came back with 70,000 out the door. How can I negotiate it better they’ve had it a the dealer for 134 days. At the same time I feel like I’m being ripped off by that quote .
70k for a scat is diabolical 😅
DO NOT. I REPEAT DO NOT BUY THAT CAR
60 for a wide body is pushing it. 70 you’re just wanting to be upside down
Watch "deshone the auto advisor" !! Dude has got some great info on buying online
Keep shopping! Wrong dealer. Let them keep them for that price. Call max at orange coast dodge. He has a few at sticker.
Keep your foot on they neck O.C..👏🏽💯
Dodge May become the next Pontiac 😢 gone but forever remembered
I am glad you pointed out this is not totally the government. The auto manufacturers were pushing us into this, and CDJR may be the worst offender.
Sir, You spoke from my heart. GOD BLESS all you who made the last muscle car, the challenger.
BRAVO! Call them out and read Dodge the RIOT ACT.
Tim Kuniskis the CEO of Dodge ran this company completely into the ground. Instead of expanding the brand he catered the brand specifically to one consumer base. It was the most idiotic decision I ever seen!!! He got caught up with the Hellcat wave and completely cut off every consumer base outside of big performance V8s. That was the dumbest thing he could do why would you cut off gas commuter cars, mid size pickups trucks and utility vans?
Tim that doesn’t makes no sense you just limited your entire consumer base why would you do that Tim why? Then you never innovated the V8 or your V6 and just come out of nowhere with this Hornet garbage that is a rebadged Alfa Romeo Tonale at the last minute. Then this Hurricane engine which is as heavy as your V8 why would you come out with that engine extremely late. You could’ve replaced the pentastar V6 in 2018-2019 with that Hurricane inline engine.
Then lastly you never made the cars lighter fast forward you’ve made the car twice as heavy as everything on the market! It’s documented that Tim felt as though he should scrap the entire lineup he made of lighter chargers and challengers. He had the cars built and showed the car to multiple car dealers already. The car was built on the Alfa Romeo Giulia platform and so a 3,800-3,900lbs performance V8. So even with what’s going on right now with them going out of business. We would’ve had 3yrs of production of lighter chargers and challengers.
I have the same sentiments, but I will bet a Dodge Demon (or a hundred dollars, whichever is less) that it isn't Tim making these decisions, rather it is the idiots in Europe. just like when Daimler merged with them back in the day and that idiot from Germany nearly ruined Dodge. the problem is, European auto companies do not have a clue about the American car market, they just try to push their crap and hope we won't notice or care.
with that said, Tim definitely isn't pushing back hard enough as he is still employed, which means he fell in line, or cares more about making money than preserving the legacy of what made Dodge the king of muscle.
You’re exactly right Kuniskis was in charge of Fiat in the good times and absolutely ran it into the ground. You might laugh about Fiat but in the portfolio they are the number one brand in the world. We just don’t have them here and when the economy started the tank they dropped one of the most popular cars in the world.
“Please make us an offer, but it has to be over sticker” That sums up the disgusting auto industry. It’s the dealers fault !! We as buyers take joy in seeing these crooks loose it. Hopefully they still have those cars sitting and rusting away!
I see a problem with the new inline 6 they are making. Regardless of power output, nobody wants a Dodge Challenger with a 6 cylinder. The vast majority of people wanting a challenger will only want one with a big American V8.
And electric is just an unfunny joke.
RUclips keep unsubscribing me to your channel I don't know what are they doing but I'm getting tired of it.
Now would be a great time for GM to bring back the Camaro for 2025.
As a fan or the Viper and Neon SRT-4, this is how I've felt for awhile...
They should’ve brought the neon back and put the sixpack inline six in that plateform with awd opt..then maybe trickle in more fleshed out and affordable EV plateform
I have a 23 scat
the Tip of your fingers has to touch the top of the inside of the door handle in order for the door to unlock consistently...well it works on my challenger
You had pleeeenty of reasons for being embarassed to drive a Dodge waaaay before Stellantis came along! 😂
Dodge better bring those Hemis back if they want to keep their W.
Thanx CA
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Unfortunately, this is as old as Detroit. And, these outmoded practices are why the Big 3 are in so much decline.
My very first car, in 1975, at age 16, was a 1970 Dodge Challenger. No, I wasn't rich, neither were my parents. It was not a muscle car, it was a base model, 318 two barrel, single exhaust, automatic on the column, dark green with a white vinyl top and black interior. Price was $1995. My dad traded his beat up 1963 Chevy II in on it for $500. I became the family driver. My dad passed away less than a year later. It had a bench seat with split backs and a center fold down armrest. It was not fast, but it was beautiful. Only 5 years old. My parents financed it for me, and I made all the payments. Insurance was not required in my state back then. I owned that car for 11 years. Way back in 2008 or so, I had high hopes when I heard the Challenger was coming back. But boy was I disappointed when I saw it. It bore only a vague resemblance to the 1970s models. It was short, fat, too tall and too narrow. it had a chunky look. Far from the beautiful lines of the 1970-1974 models. And the wheels were huge diameter GHETTOS with no real tires on them (my 1970 had 14" wheels and real tires with sidewalls) It was more of a caricature of a Challenger than anything else. I was disgusted by it, and certainly had no desire to own one. Then things started getting even worse. They came out with a model that had off road fender flares. I saw it as a complete joke.
One of the best engines of all time. I had a 1971 Plymouth Duster with that engine. Back when this company actually made good vehicles. They haven't in five decades now.
1st. My sxt got a recall
I felt the same way in 2017, bought a Ford GT350 instead of a challenger. Don’t regret it, just sell it you have other cars to enjoy. Dealerships added ADMs for three years and now customers finally understand that they have the power to walk away from overpriced vehicles!
LISTEN UP DODGE! This video is GOLD!!! Some other companies could learn a thing or two from this video too! Hopefully this video has a long reach!
Stellantis vehicles are some of the most unreliable vehicles ever made besides the badass ones... (HEMI) They're going to go out of business fucking with this⚡⚡shit I guess they like losing 30-40 K on every sell
Micheal Manly should have stayed the CEO
Dealerships have been trying to sell Jeeps for over $100K. Getting their just desserts. Crap cars anyway.
Same here, my Friend. I've been a MoPar fan since the 70's, have great respect for the Golden Era of 'Engineering First'. I however began to lose interest with the end of Rear Wheel Drive 'Real MoPars' with the 1989 Diplomats.
If I had to KEEP it, I wouldn't even take a FREE vehicle from Stellantis.
I can't wait till the Police Departments start using EVs. High speed chase with a hemi car and the police has to pull over to make a charge. What about NASCAR. That going to be a funny pitstops.😮
thats why they have mandated kill switches starting next year , say goodbye to police chases
Might force the development of true quick charging. Otherwise, pitstops are going to be quite long and boring. Or roadways and racetracks will have to be made like bumper car tracks.
Hopefully, the real president will return to office and stop the madness.
Amen, Biden 2024 RIP
He never...... left.
You're watching a movie.... starring actor biden. With the first phase ending sometime in 2024😊
OC - thanks so much for covering this story about the engineering firings at Stellantis. I believe this is yet another piece of evidence that Stellantis is systematically and intentially burning the MOPAR brand to the ground.
Just get the black wing