I'm really interested in this game. Being an old man now, I really appreciate a game and setting being made for a mature audience. Can go all in on much darker themes and stories. Pulling zero punches.
Great job mate! That interview cleans up a lot of stuff for people. Keep it up! Looking forward to more content from Trench Crusade! Maybe it would become your little niche!
Other people are doing better content than our ramblings tbh but let's just say that we will certainly be revisiting Trench Crusade at least a few times before the KS launches ;)
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming Yessssss, you finally got Cassandra "Elvira, Mistress of the Dark" Peterson?! My neeples explode with delight! Acually, maybe I should miss that one too...
Yea I don’t know. I can’t imagine that this is their only gig, and having mods for a discord is not on the top of their agenda. That being said, after seeing the bullshittery from 28 they should have distanced themselves. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Still excited for the game.
I'm really exited for the game, however I hope that they will stay true to their world and wont defile it with modern politic, especialy with culture war runing in the internet
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming Not too surprising, Critical pedagogy started being introduced in the late 80s in the school system. As such it has now Metastasized to higher learning. Activism and ideological purity is a core belief of that system. The Praxis is thoroughly embedded now even in kindergarten... even if the ideological theory as such is not being taught at that level. Ultimately it's Marxism applied to the means of production of culture, tapping into a different axis of inequality ( Race, Gender, Sex, Identity, ability,fitness, normality etc ). By definition these people are rabidly paranoid about hierarchies and power imbalances....and their MO is structuring themselves as being the only people wise and knowledgable enough to wield such power. I.e. they like grabbing power.
Nice to see the old guard are keeping Grim Dark alive with Trench Crusade when GW seems to be trying to abandon it in all Warhammer games fantasy and 40K. I wonder what Tuomas thinks of GW's new Kislev, whether he feels they did a good job or if they butchered his baby...
I didn't want to hit GW too heavily, i'm not sure what he would say. Interviews with other designers and stuff they have always been VERY diplomatic and i imagine Tuomas would have been the same.
Yep, I will be keeping an eye on it but rogue mods on mag28 aside i honestly don't see any issues. Though i VERY rarely visit the discord (once since this interview lol)
Was that the old discord? I never saw that, i don't know what Tuomas' source is on the numbers banned. The new one looks fine. Though i only check in from time to time.
@GrumpyGrognardGaming There was an old discord created by a group called 28. The people running it had close ties with the creators of TC but outside of that was unaffiliated. That said the mods of said discord started banning people for what they describe as "opposing view points". Not to say there weren't genuine douches in there, but the mods got trigger happy and started banning people asking was going on. Got so bad the discord got nuked.
His take on what happened at 28 mag is a gross misrepresentation of what happened. the 28 mag discord was not a welcoming place if you weren't hard left.
All i can say is the new one looks much better. At the moment. I did hear things about the 28 server being ultra left but never was there. I have no idea what Tuomas' sources are or how accurate but at least it's over now and we can hopefully judge things going forward. I'm still very excited for the game.
@@GrumpyGrognardGamingme personally, the new discord was very hostile. I didn't bring up any political beliefs but I could tell they had their opinions that they were tolerant of. The main thing is that they are very hostile to any mention of 40k as an inspiration in any way of this game. They claim that the game has no aesthetic connection to 40k at all.
hmm... we will see. So far I have expectations that trench crusade will be unapologetically woke. which is the sure fire way to destroy your game before its out. I need to hear about how they don't like the 28 magizine's brutal and devilish bans I will watch the video before I make any decisions
The way i see it there are bad faith actors on BOTH sides and they need to put down their weapons Christmas Truce style while in the discord. I have seen people celebrating that Right wing leaning people will not be allowed in and that is A: not right, and B: not correct. It is up to the moderators to act the the rules of the discord and not their own personal biases. As of yet, i have not seen anything that shows they arent. Tuomas was never going to throw 28 under the bus, they were guests and TC is going to have to be diplomatic if they are going to succeed. I prefer the APOLITICAL approach that has been taken. Celebrate our love for the setting which is our commonality rather than our differences. Put a line under the 28 stuff and move forward, forward unto Glorious Battle in a new grimdark world!
@GrumpyGrognardGaming I can't in good faith trust TC to not go woke if they simply turn a blind eye to how 28 reacted, regardless if they're in good standings with one another. It isn't right.
@GGG Yep. They allow pronoun talk, but so does your Discord user account by default. As Tuomas said, if that bugs you they have self identified for you to block/ignore.
Greatly appreciate this interview. Tuomas' work has brought so much joy to so many of us in this hobby. The guy is a living legend.
Was great to get to talk to him.
What a fantastic interview! Tuomas is such a fantastic designer
Was a real treat! I'll catch up with him in a few months but have some other interviews planned soon...
This was awesome man. Much love from the US can't wait for the next kickstarter or way to support trench crusade
Glad you liked it! Well, we know it's within the next five months.. i'd better start saving!
After listening to this I'm hyped for the kickstarter!
Such a cool universe, i can't wait!
For the Sultanate of the iron wall!
Yes brother!
Alhamdulillah, brother!
ALLL the factions. Actually prob not, i'll start with two. no idea which yet though.....
I'm really interested in this game. Being an old man now, I really appreciate a game and setting being made for a mature audience. Can go all in on much darker themes and stories. Pulling zero punches.
that's what drew me to it. That and the interactive rules :)
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming Absolutely!
Great job mate! That interview cleans up a lot of stuff for people. Keep it up! Looking forward to more content from Trench Crusade! Maybe it would become your little niche!
Other people are doing better content than our ramblings tbh but let's just say that we will certainly be revisiting Trench Crusade at least a few times before the KS launches ;)
Excellent work, bro! How many interviews have you done now in total? I don't think I've ever asked lol
This was the first video one. I did one by email with Andy chambers years back
The flow between you is very good mate, TBH I'm OK with not being involved in this one as I doubt I could've added anything of value!
@@Maulyr You'll want to make yourself available for the next one i have planned ;)
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming Yessssss, you finally got Cassandra "Elvira, Mistress of the Dark" Peterson?! My neeples explode with delight! Acually, maybe I should miss that one too...
Nice interview 👌
Cheers!
Yea I don’t know. I can’t imagine that this is their only gig, and having mods for a discord is not on the top of their agenda.
That being said, after seeing the bullshittery from 28 they should have distanced themselves.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Still excited for the game.
Hoping for the best. Time will tell but i have faith.
what bullshittery happened with 28? I've no idea
Now this is a Treat
Glad you enjoyed it! I was nervous as hell (one dude thinks i was drunk) but it seemed to go well.
I'm really exited for the game, however I hope that they will stay true to their world and wont defile it with modern politic, especialy with culture war runing in the internet
The culture war is just tiresome. Was never like it back in the day.
Too late.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming
Not too surprising, Critical pedagogy started being introduced in the late 80s in the school system. As such it has now Metastasized to higher learning.
Activism and ideological purity is a core belief of that system.
The Praxis is thoroughly embedded now even in kindergarten... even if the ideological theory as such is not being taught at that level.
Ultimately it's Marxism applied to the means of production of culture, tapping into a different axis of inequality ( Race, Gender, Sex, Identity, ability,fitness, normality etc ).
By definition these people are rabidly paranoid about hierarchies and power imbalances....and their MO is structuring themselves as being the only people wise and knowledgable enough to wield such power.
I.e. they like grabbing power.
@@dwwolf4636 Okay, James Lindsay.
Excellent! Glad I could connect you guys.
🪰 FLY GANG!!!!!!!!! 🪰
Cursed spawn of Beelzebub!
This drunk stream was good.
Nice to see the old guard are keeping Grim Dark alive with Trench Crusade when GW seems to be trying to abandon it in all Warhammer games fantasy and 40K.
I wonder what Tuomas thinks of GW's new Kislev, whether he feels they did a good job or if they butchered his baby...
I didn't want to hit GW too heavily, i'm not sure what he would say. Interviews with other designers and stuff they have always been VERY diplomatic and i imagine Tuomas would have been the same.
someone tell arch that the game is saved :)
i would like to see arch's thoughts on this too. i am still concerned but we will only have to wait and see
Yep, I will be keeping an eye on it but rogue mods on mag28 aside i honestly don't see any issues. Though i VERY rarely visit the discord (once since this interview lol)
Is that his latest grift?
@@Jez-Hunt "grift" ah bro the drama about that was real as fuck😅
It's always a grift with Arch. Always.
Not woke? What about all the banning that occurred on the discord?
Was that the old discord? I never saw that, i don't know what Tuomas' source is on the numbers banned. The new one looks fine. Though i only check in from time to time.
Cry more.
@GrumpyGrognardGaming There was an old discord created by a group called 28. The people running it had close ties with the creators of TC but outside of that was unaffiliated. That said the mods of said discord started banning people for what they describe as "opposing view points". Not to say there weren't genuine douches in there, but the mods got trigger happy and started banning people asking was going on. Got so bad the discord got nuked.
@@RaptorShadow =(
@@moustafa2253 Sounds EXACTLY like what I have been accused of lying about in the past. Go figure.
His take on what happened at 28 mag is a gross misrepresentation of what happened. the 28 mag discord was not a welcoming place if you weren't hard left.
All i can say is the new one looks much better. At the moment. I did hear things about the 28 server being ultra left but never was there. I have no idea what Tuomas' sources are or how accurate but at least it's over now and we can hopefully judge things going forward. I'm still very excited for the game.
@@GrumpyGrognardGamingme personally, the new discord was very hostile. I didn't bring up any political beliefs but I could tell they had their opinions that they were tolerant of.
The main thing is that they are very hostile to any mention of 40k as an inspiration in any way of this game. They claim that the game has no aesthetic connection to 40k at all.
The discord has 12k+ users of all backgrounds. Pretty welcoming bunch.
@@TC-Apoc that interesting you say that when they shut it down and began banning people for not being left leaning
hmm... we will see. So far I have expectations that trench crusade will be unapologetically woke. which is the sure fire way to destroy your game before its out. I need to hear about how they don't like the 28 magizine's brutal and devilish bans
I will watch the video before I make any decisions
The way i see it there are bad faith actors on BOTH sides and they need to put down their weapons Christmas Truce style while in the discord. I have seen people celebrating that Right wing leaning people will not be allowed in and that is A: not right, and B: not correct. It is up to the moderators to act the the rules of the discord and not their own personal biases. As of yet, i have not seen anything that shows they arent.
Tuomas was never going to throw 28 under the bus, they were guests and TC is going to have to be diplomatic if they are going to succeed. I prefer the APOLITICAL approach that has been taken. Celebrate our love for the setting which is our commonality rather than our differences.
Put a line under the 28 stuff and move forward, forward unto Glorious Battle in a new grimdark world!
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming I don't care about culture war, I want TC to stay true to itself and most "GW refugees" propably want the same
@GrumpyGrognardGaming I can't in good faith trust TC to not go woke if they simply turn a blind eye to how 28 reacted, regardless if they're in good standings with one another. It isn't right.
People have been blanket banned en masse from the Discord so you’re both talking complete BS at the end.
The old discord or the new? I never saw the old one but the new one seems fine.
@GGG Yep. They allow pronoun talk, but so does your Discord user account by default. As Tuomas said, if that bugs you they have self identified for you to block/ignore.
The official discord is running fine.
@@Storming32 define that
@@Dimes607 Define what? The word 'fine'?
Company is woke. Don't waste your money.
If this is all you obsess about, then by all means spend your money elsewhere.
Game is free and mildly scuffed.
As soon as someone describes something as a “woke” I become interested in it. I have just pledged to TC Kickstarter. 🤭
Right? Just one of the most reliable indicators