Meow's been working on a stable update for DSAS to account for all the new animation framework Armored Core 6 introduced. If you want to support the development and even participate in early testing, go check out Meow's patreon: www.patreon.com/Meowmaritus Technically speaking, the "eye" of the satellite is actually treated as its back half. Its default orientation has the platforms facing forward, and its arms are able to swivel around to be in front of either side. It's hard to imagine what a fight against the satellite would actually look like, but we can confidently say there would be a lot of lasers involved.
I d love to have the possibility to export fbx files from DSAS right away, that can be compatible with blender, especially for dark souls/ elden ring character animations
worst case scenario, it might have been a (annoying (subjective)) gimmick boss much like bed of chaos. BEST case scenario, it might have been a spectacle boss like the Divine Dragon from Sekiro (but there will be people complaining about it being gimmick because what else are they gonna talk about)
I figure it would have been kind of Shadow-of-the-colossus-esque, with the player having to first make it to the satellite in one piece and then advance up and through it to reach a weak spot.
It looks very reminiscent of the arms forts of For Answer. In the end we only got the Strider but it's not hard to imagine that Fromsoft would have planned to bring back such an iconic series of bosses
The game needed them, frankly the PvE side of things doesn't stand up in replays very well. Too few "destroy forces" missions, said forces are a total pushover right from the beginning, and the big setpiece enemies (Strider, Ice Worm) are pretty damn easy. And it's not like the PvP side of things is blowing minds either.
I mean, nothing is ever gonna top For Answer for me, but I am curious if we'd have got to fight the satellite like one of the Arms Forts. That would've been awesome.
It's funny, I always thought that the closure satellite was a completely man-made gigastructure, but now that I look at it, it was actually build around a huge meteoroid, you can see a chunk of it above the dome with the main "eye", as well as below, the rail cannon is actually attached to the rock
I really like how From made big lasers and satellites and such kind of look like eyeballs; you can see it here and on the laser on the big mining rig enemy thingy. Gives almost a sense of living malice behind them
The evil eye, false messiah, anti chr1st. The two bighest religion warns of this same entity thats your malice. However on another note, I wonder how many people notice the funny green triangle logo we memed back then somehow gain relevance that its been mentioned in dr strange madness of multiverse, and also on dbrand website, and also on so many more trinkets like twitch achievement logo. It is intentional and it is many. Not just what could be happenstance when I say it I mean the exact combination, a triangle an an eye.
Honestly, the Idea is interesting, but i don't Like it. It seems cliché. Eyes Shooting Lasers isn't new, and These ones are too lifeless to Interpret living Malice. I'd've preffered the uncaring, bleak Metal Mass Destruction device look
It makes for a much more interesting looking weapon instead of a big saucer, plus it makes sense to have the lens look like a pupil (just like camera lenses) while the entire structure is a ball for free movement.
I can see why it was cut tbh. It seems like it'd be a bit complex with moving parts and not that interesting to fight. You'd either just be breaking turrets on it or made to do a turret section to destroy it.
As in other Fromsoft games (and games in general) there probably is more cut content from the end of the game than from other parts. The way the "final mission" starts so abruptly it's quite obvious there is something missing between it and the penultimate mission. You just go from a "boss fight" to the final boss immediately. Having to disable one or multiple such satellites in the final mission was probably exactly what was planned.
Carla, Ayre, and ALLMIND have the ability to take control of such structures, so my guess is any of them would have used it as a boss before the actual final fight.
i imagine that the ayre boss fight you would actually face the satelite with carla as the back up and then fight ayre mid mission like the spirit of the mother will
Ayre is coral and thus can infect machines to control them ALLMIND controls shit by controlling almost everything Carla just has Chatty help her hack so she wouldn't have a chance at the satellite
Ayre, likely not. She can do some hacking but as far as taking full control the most seen is with special ACs. Carla, I doubt, but purely because I doubt one person could easily control something a massive crew would be needed to overlook. Not sure if ALLMIND could do it without aid, but she has the best shot.
In its own way, i actually like that you don't fight it. Having this massive battle between a gigantic satellite cannon and a colony ship happening in the *background* of a final boss battle was an extremely cool thing to see
I'd love to know how big the Xylem is now, honestly! Length and breadth in meters would be fascinating, and a comparison to the map of Elden Ring too! Maybe putting it next to Leyndell, the largest city in ER (I presume), would certainly yield a fascinating difference in the sheer scale of the cities, it would be magnitudes I am sure (though perhaps we can assume Leyndell was once larger and is also "scaled down" a bit for an open world game). Still, would be amazing to see this! Great job as usual, Zullie!
Considering that the Xylem seems to be roughly as big as the satallite (even lenghtier tbh), and that the satellite by itself dwarfs the Strider, it probably would cover 2/3 of ER's map.
the satellite is 11km wide without the ring and I think that's already enough to cover the land between(the 5km Strider goes from Weeping peninsula to Erdtree) if the 2:22 part is to scale, the Xylem(not as wide but much longer) would easily dwarf the Elden Ring map. I think you can forget about comparing it to a single city
that would require a full model of the xylem. it shows up in cutscenes but the rest of the time you can only see parts of it EDIT: didn't watch the video before commenting ._.
@@huonglevan2276 True, it would be ridiculous to compare it to just Leyndell, but that's kind of the point! It would be amazing to see just how massive the Xylem is by that comparison as a ship/city colony. And hell, even crazier than that is that I bet Institute City's ruins are way more expansive than even the Xylem!
I mean it made sense a bit in the intro, Rubicon is supposed to be off limits for anyone entering and leaving the place hell that’s the whole reason why you had to stop it from shooting down the Zylem in one of the endings
@@shobooknight You are correct, but it was originally meant to prevent intrusion because it's a PCA weapon. Arquebus failed to take control of it after the PCA abandoned Rubicon, so Carla thought it was inactive. Then Ayre comandeered it to repel the Xylem.
That's what I think, and I figure they made it into a cutscene because if "we make the first fight one you lose everyone is going to be saying this is just like a Souls game."
I think it's more likely it was meant to be one of the last bosses. In the Fires of Raven ending, you would've probably had to prevent it from destroying the Xylem.
@@fragilechinaa It's an optical illusion where the eyes (or in this case, eye) are a concave shape, giving them the illusion of following and staring into the camera (Shara in Monster Hunter world uses this same technique).
That's what alwwaaaaays blows me away about games/anime/etc that have insane megastructures. They're so fucking cool, it's like sticky fly trap for me. The gargantuan grid sections that loom above R³ are some of my favorite things ever. Just massive structures made just to facilitate the movement of raw materials
I mean we already use more or less the same on the mega cities of the world, just think how much metal must be in a place like Tokio, NYC etc. Tho the process must be hard to figure out, I imagine you need decades to just figure out how stockpile the metals.
Lots of materials that is for sure , either from the planet itself or other planets , remember that Earth has enough steel to build roughly 3 death stars from Star wars , building a satellite as big as this one would cost alot , but is doable when it comes to materials (not cost thought)
I find it interesting that the giant 'eye' of the station is very similar to the Eye on the Strider, which makes me assume that the Eye was constructed out of scavenged PCA tech by RaD, possibly even the giant laser we see in the story trailer.
The mission that granted infinite energy due to the coral density in the air would have been a fitting mechanic to use for this epic space battle. Wish it was more than just that mission as well. Interesting how the various assets for the scenario were distributed elsewhere in the game. Surely a sequel will give us more giant structure / arms fort battles.
The size comparison to the weaponized mining ship makes me think they tried it, had trouble getting something that large to work properly/within their goals/etc, and moved on. At around 10km, it's as large as the entire Breach the Karman line mission, which is split up into several actual playable areas and isn't ever accessible all at once.. I wonder if things larger than ~5km have particular issues when used as more than just environment pieces.
You also have infinite EN during breach the Karman line and you pretty much assault boost through the entire mission area. If something this big doesnt have a similar approach it would be very tedious to traverse 11km under normal conditions or even worse while dodging enemy fire.
When its not a time constraint issue, often devs drop something because they simply couldn't make it fun. Big bosses are a fine line. I know people love the Arms Forts, but some of those really got tedious to me. I would like to see their reason uncovered one day.
This makes me want a size comparison of the biggest objects in AC6. The strider was already absurd, so seeing the satellite be something like 6 times larger is just insane. Wonder how the xylem stacks up?
@@hikigayamurakamo9340I would considering the fact that this things are already massive compared to ACs, and the fact that ACs themselves are already huge compared to human sizes.
It bears mentioning that 621's first AC is explicitly described as designed for space operations before anything else, so it really could've been the first boss, before the chopper even, if originally the insertion part was planned to be a bit more involved than a cutscene.
Bruh, that satellite could literally be its own planet in the Elden Ring universe. Mark my words, they're gonna create an object the size of an entire galaxy in the next Armored Core.
I feel like an overlooked way in which From Soft is incredibly talented is in it's ability to recycle stuffs intelligently, nothings good is lost, but it's still used in an elegant way nonetheless
1:00 Seeing the model ID's got me thinking Walter refers to the player character as "C4621", and after binge watching these videos, I can't help but wonder if that's a deliberate reference to a specific model in the game's files, or a sort of simple reference to their ID system, similar to Pixar referencing "A113" which model even has the ID of c4621 in AC6?
The final missions being in the upper atmosphere and space was a very cool idea, but it ends up feeling like we don't spend much time up there or get a lot of chance to take in the atmosphere(lack thereof). So I'll hope that the next game of gen 6 will have more space stuff.
I honestly just expected that was always going to be the final level of the game, just by seeing the intro that space station screamed, final mission setting
I love these giant mega-mech boss fights. Like For Answer's uh, Mother thing, forget the name, and also the Strider. The idea of a boss being so damn big that it is actually its own little map is so friggin cool. AC has had some really cool gigantic mech-boss-things.
Jesus i'm still amazed from how huge these bosses and objects are, like remember you're a tiny human in a 10ft tall mech, fighting against even bigger mechs and tech. Radahn from Elden Ring is basically an ant compared to these...
This. Since space travel was well established since AC2; and orbital guns in AC3:SL; even though they claim there is no established timeline; at one point I feel they will connect the dots like they did for The Legend of Zelda titles.
that would have been a hell of an intro mission, deploy from the pod, fight the satellite, return to the pod... doesn't really fit the "sneaking in" story though. I wouldn't have minded more space/orbit missions though, with appropriately space-like physics, or just full on infinite energy like the one xylem defense mission.
I felt they invested a lot of "character design" thinking into the way it's presented, so this makes a lot of sense. Looking at those rotating platforms around it, I love the thought of having to fight one of the endgame bosses while having to manage vertical changes to maintain stable footing. Heck, I guess it could be firing lasers from the eye at us while trying to duel a separate boss chasing us. The current endgame bosses already have a lot going on in them, as well as the missions leading up to them.
Imagine, the final boss starts with fighting a fucking satellite and ends with the AC fights each run normally ends with. It’s like bed of chaos transitions into gwen
Y'ever think about what it would be like to live among the low-level personnel on one of these giant laser superstructures? Like, you're eating lunch in Employee Cafeteria 6B, when suddenly the room shakes and you aren't sure why. But someone in a gymnasium on the other side of the station saw a giant laser zip past the window, so eventually word gets around that the station fired at something. Contrast reality, where firing the laser would definitely be a whole _thing_ with days of preparation and miles of red tape attached, so by the time it happens everyone is already expecting it.
Scifi settings like these typically have them designed as entirely automated, there is no personnel on them. Even just sticking to AC that's how it's been with the Assault Cells of 4th Gen and in 3rd Gen the orbital bombardment systems controlled by IBIS, DOVE from vanilla AC3's counterpart, that enforce the titular "Silent Line", destroying anything that tries to enter the territory surrounding the second Layered subterranean colony.
It wouldve been cool if this was a NG+ boss. Your first playthrough it almost immediately destroys you while sneaking into Rubicon. On proceeding playthroughs your pilot has the "experience" to take it down. It doesn't make much sense story-wise but wouldve been a fun way of acknowledging the player's growth in skill via a new encounter that was previously "way out of your league".
They have to reaproach this idea and try again for future titles or DLC, zeroing in of a giga large scale satallite while dodging all the shit it throws at you only for taking it down little by little at a time, that's the stuff Mecha was made for.
@@CraveForYuri Maybe, but I don't know. I feel like the story paths are fine as they are. What I'm really hoping for is prequel DLC instead, because I have far more questions when it comes to that. What really happened before the first Fires of Ibis? Who is Assistant No. 1? Were Professor Nagai's warnings received by the entire Institute or only a select few? How did Walter and Carla grow so close together and form such a strong bond that he entrusts her with his last will in the event he dies? Who are the "fallen friends" that Walter and Carla keep mentioning and what were their stories? I want answers to those questions more than anything else.
@@CraveForYuri ehhh, it the DLC changes the main story paths, that permanently alters the main story. Prequel would be much cooler to me - the mystery of 621 going to Rubicon in the first place isn't answered, Rubicon Research Institute scientists that were around the triggering of the Fires can be found dead in their ACs, we don't even know the names of two of 'em. Even a story where we don't play as 621 but learn the beginning of a fire so large it consumed a star system. New main story paths in the main game would alter the story we've already played and learned, then deny those alterations to anyone who doesn't buy the DLC lol. There'd be two slightly different main stories of AC6 instead of one if the DLC modifies the main story paths. A part of me doesn't like the idea lol
The strider's eye is visually pretty similar to the satellite, and seems somewhat at odds with the rustic appearance of the rest of the machine. Got me wondering if they got creative recycling some assets intended for whatever may have been scrapped involving this satellite content.
One thing I noticed about this satellite, is that the big red eyeball on it is very similar to The Eye laser cannon on the Strider. This video shows they are clearly very different sizes. But I think that confirms that the RLF somehow got their hands on some PCA tech when they were arming the Strider. It would explain why all the rest of the RLF's weapons, which are made by BAWS, are ballistic, but The Eye is a laser. Because we all know how much the PCA loves their big blue deathrays.
Because from the first trailer (without having seen a previous game), I thought it might have had scavenging mechanics like in open world games such as Rust
Aww, come on, at this point it's a tradition to port both its object and NPC versions to see exactly how ungodly big they are in Elden Ring if only for the laughs and giggles. :D
It might have been interesting as the final boss of the Fires route, with Ayre in control of the entire structure rather than just Sol, the Ibis series mecha she controls in the final version of the game. While I suspect that what we ended up getting is more fun than that would have been, it would have been an interesting way of bringing things full circle, with you destroying the enemy that nearly got you in the opening cutscene.
0:12 Only just now did I realize that this is a reference Silent line’s opening movie, with the satellite cannons eye in that game being shown in a shot that looks exactly like this.
The eye reminds me of the Eye from Armored Core: Silent Lines Intro, in that the Eye from Silent Line was designed with orbital strikes in mind as compared to the Eye in AC6.
With how "for" ~ "four" and "Verdict" -> "V" -> "5", my guess is that the word of the expansion title will begin with "Vi" as in "Victory" or "Vindicated"; or it its two-word title are shortened to VI i.e. "Victory Icognito".
Imagine if this was the boss and some modeller went Did somebody misstype the measurements? Cause it says 11,000m wide and 5,900m tall. Is it like a massive prop object? Noo, its ment as a boss and platform.
Having the satellite as a sort of intro "boss" that immediately wrecks you sounds very in-character for From. Would it be asking too much to have a secret fake ending where you beat the satellite and never get shot down?
My gut feeling is that it got reworked into being the fight against the strider, with the original files left over. A stationary platform you navigate through a level to reach and then shoot sounds exactly like that and probably got adapted with the plot.
Considering its role in the story (shooting you down into the planet at the beginning of the game). The fact that it has no death animation. And that fromsoft loves putting "mandatory defeat" bosses at the beginning of their games. This thing may have been a tutorial boss that lead to a forced death.
Maybe, if we were potentially going to have the Xylem’s help, they were planning a mission similar to the first Strider mission. Having the player infiltrate the satellite in order to knock out its shields so that the Xylem could destroy it when its main gun. Which would also be a reason it was cut, too similar to the earlier mission, but without the fanfare/satisfaction of getting the killing blow yourself.
Actually it occurs to me that it could have been one of their staple "You aren't supposed to beat this but if you're really good you can" bosses from their recent games, placed right at the start, and then the cutscene plays
I think it's likely that the Closure Satellites were meant to be the final area that would lead to the final boss in the "Fires of Raven" ending. As it is now, Raven just flies up there and starts the fight with no exploration before the final boss fight, so maybe they meant for you to end the game on the first thing that attacked you at the beginning of the game.
Curious if we might see this guy in an expansion slash DLC. The Armored Core series has had quite a few of those, even back in the day of physical discs, so could see that happening again.
Remember fromsoft doesn't let unused bosses go to waste the concept always carries on to either dlc or the next game where they have the tech or recourses to pull it off just like with demon prince in ds3 making his way to the 2nd dlc the worm becoming tree spirit in elden ring or midir's weird sword thingy becoming a thing in elden ring allowing the ancient dragons to use their weapons made of lightning So there is a potential we get a similar boss in AC 7 or in a dlc
@@MDMarcus in the code it was found that midir had an unused beamlike lance in his hand for an attack... That reminds you of something from elden ring?
I can imagine this definitely being a boss fight for sure and tbh I imagine this fight to be like possibly fighting something like Mother will from ACFA. There could be a possibility that they make DLC missions like they did in ACVD but it's up to them to decide on that
I was kind of hoping Zulie would show us the satellite in Elden Ring like she did for the mining platform, but I imagine it may have caused a few issues given its sheer imensity.
I wonder if this cut boss fight was supposed to be the closure station 31 raid mentioned in some branch members' arena entries. Wish we could've gotten a mission where we teamed up with them.
The music you use actually makes these videos spooky. It makes me think that if I did this myself the unused game assets would come to life and attack me. That they themselves could somehow notice your forbidden probing.
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Technically speaking, the "eye" of the satellite is actually treated as its back half. Its default orientation has the platforms facing forward, and its arms are able to swivel around to be in front of either side. It's hard to imagine what a fight against the satellite would actually look like, but we can confidently say there would be a lot of lasers involved.
I d love to have the possibility to export fbx files from DSAS right away, that can be compatible with blender, especially for dark souls/ elden ring character animations
Don't think we didn't notice your purple AC. You can't show us the Zullie build without the code! lol
@@Dhieennot going to happen unless Havok basically gets leaked again.
So the Strider was using a PCA satellite eye?
Mrrp
A boss fight against an entire goddamn satellite would've been so cool
It would have been really epic.
AC6 DLC maybe? One can dream...
worst case scenario, it might have been a (annoying (subjective)) gimmick boss much like bed of chaos.
BEST case scenario, it might have been a spectacle boss like the Divine Dragon from Sekiro (but there will be people complaining about it being gimmick because what else are they gonna talk about)
You mean an entire space station
I figure it would have been kind of Shadow-of-the-colossus-esque, with the player having to first make it to the satellite in one piece and then advance up and through it to reach a weak spot.
It looks very reminiscent of the arms forts of For Answer. In the end we only got the Strider but it's not hard to imagine that Fromsoft would have planned to bring back such an iconic series of bosses
A floating Spirit of the Mother’s Will? I’ll take it.
The game needed them, frankly the PvE side of things doesn't stand up in replays very well. Too few "destroy forces" missions, said forces are a total pushover right from the beginning, and the big setpiece enemies (Strider, Ice Worm) are pretty damn easy.
And it's not like the PvP side of things is blowing minds either.
10/10 game @@InternetHydra
I mean, nothing is ever gonna top For Answer for me, but I am curious if we'd have got to fight the satellite like one of the Arms Forts. That would've been awesome.
I'm going to bet thats going to be a DLC boss in the future.
It's funny, I always thought that the closure satellite was a completely man-made gigastructure, but now that I look at it, it was actually build around a huge meteoroid, you can see a chunk of it above the dome with the main "eye", as well as below, the rail cannon is actually attached to the rock
Space stations in Gundam do that a lot too. Either being hewn from an asteroid, or built around one.
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Heh, here I mistakenly thought it was just globs of that gap-filler foam.
Seems logical, Asteroids are fairly easy to mine and provide decent impact shielding against debris.
I don't see it
That’s a cool detail, didn’t notice till you pointed that out
I really like how From made big lasers and satellites and such kind of look like eyeballs; you can see it here and on the laser on the big mining rig enemy thingy. Gives almost a sense of living malice behind them
The evil eye, false messiah, anti chr1st. The two bighest religion warns of this same entity thats your malice. However on another note, I wonder how many people notice the funny green triangle logo we memed back then somehow gain relevance that its been mentioned in dr strange madness of multiverse, and also on dbrand website, and also on so many more trinkets like twitch achievement logo. It is intentional and it is many. Not just what could be happenstance when I say it I mean the exact combination, a triangle an an eye.
Honestly, the Idea is interesting, but i don't Like it. It seems cliché. Eyes Shooting Lasers isn't new, and These ones are too lifeless to Interpret living Malice. I'd've preffered the uncaring, bleak Metal Mass Destruction device look
Not malice, but it does instill that feeling into you that this giant satellite is watching you.
It makes for a much more interesting looking weapon instead of a big saucer, plus it makes sense to have the lens look like a pupil (just like camera lenses) while the entire structure is a ball for free movement.
Man whenever I se them I can only think of the space core from portal 2
Having to disable the satellite *then* fighting the boss would have been a much more interesting ending. Lots of opportunities for dialogue.
That would double the tiredness of the final mission, if they make it real, it would be harder than CEL 420
I can see why it was cut tbh. It seems like it'd be a bit complex with moving parts and not that interesting to fight. You'd either just be breaking turrets on it or made to do a turret section to destroy it.
As in other Fromsoft games (and games in general) there probably is more cut content from the end of the game than from other parts. The way the "final mission" starts so abruptly it's quite obvious there is something missing between it and the penultimate mission. You just go from a "boss fight" to the final boss immediately. Having to disable one or multiple such satellites in the final mission was probably exactly what was planned.
@@zolikoff What do you mean?
Mass Effect did it way earlier with Occulus fighter ships
Carla, Ayre, and ALLMIND have the ability to take control of such structures, so my guess is any of them would have used it as a boss before the actual final fight.
i imagine that the ayre boss fight you would actually face the satelite with carla as the back up and then fight ayre mid mission like the spirit of the mother will
Ayre is coral and thus can infect machines to control them
ALLMIND controls shit by controlling almost everything
Carla just has Chatty help her hack so she wouldn't have a chance at the satellite
@@yokai1235might even have a VOB segment too.
Using the Xylem as the launch pad for the mission.
Ayre, likely not. She can do some hacking but as far as taking full control the most seen is with special ACs.
Carla, I doubt, but purely because I doubt one person could easily control something a massive crew would be needed to overlook.
Not sure if ALLMIND could do it without aid, but she has the best shot.
@@RippahRooJizah Ayre probably not? What? she already has, she's the one firing on the Xylem in the exchange in this very video
In its own way, i actually like that you don't fight it. Having this massive battle between a gigantic satellite cannon and a colony ship happening in the *background* of a final boss battle was an extremely cool thing to see
I'd love to know how big the Xylem is now, honestly! Length and breadth in meters would be fascinating, and a comparison to the map of Elden Ring too! Maybe putting it next to Leyndell, the largest city in ER (I presume), would certainly yield a fascinating difference in the sheer scale of the cities, it would be magnitudes I am sure (though perhaps we can assume Leyndell was once larger and is also "scaled down" a bit for an open world game). Still, would be amazing to see this! Great job as usual, Zullie!
Considering that the Xylem seems to be roughly as big as the satallite (even lenghtier tbh), and that the satellite by itself dwarfs the Strider, it probably would cover 2/3 of ER's map.
the satellite is 11km wide without the ring and I think that's already enough to cover the land between(the 5km Strider goes from Weeping peninsula to Erdtree)
if the 2:22 part is to scale, the Xylem(not as wide but much longer) would easily dwarf the Elden Ring map. I think you can forget about comparing it to a single city
that would require a full model of the xylem. it shows up in cutscenes but the rest of the time you can only see parts of it
EDIT: didn't watch the video before commenting ._.
@@huonglevan2276 True, it would be ridiculous to compare it to just Leyndell, but that's kind of the point! It would be amazing to see just how massive the Xylem is by that comparison as a ship/city colony. And hell, even crazier than that is that I bet Institute City's ruins are way more expansive than even the Xylem!
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I completed the game 3 times, I never wonder what was the thing that attacked us and what happened to it. It would've made such an epic boss though.
I mean it made sense a bit in the intro, Rubicon is supposed to be off limits for anyone entering and leaving the place hell that’s the whole reason why you had to stop it from shooting down the Zylem in one of the endings
@@axilus_4012I'm fairly certain Ayre says that she hacked the satellite to attack you in that ending and it's not supposed to do it on its own
@@shobooknight You are correct, but it was originally meant to prevent intrusion because it's a PCA weapon. Arquebus failed to take control of it after the PCA abandoned Rubicon, so Carla thought it was inactive. Then Ayre comandeered it to repel the Xylem.
I would bet this was originally a tutorial boss that you were meant to lose against, since it's now the first thing in the opening cutscene.
That's what I think, and I figure they made it into a cutscene because if "we make the first fight one you lose everyone is going to be saying this is just like a Souls game."
I think it's more likely it was meant to be one of the last bosses. In the Fires of Raven ending, you would've probably had to prevent it from destroying the Xylem.
@@glorpoliusthat actually…made a lot of sense
Wow
I imagined this would've been like the last boss you'll fight before the final boss. Especially for the Fires of Raven ending.
@@Redsword603 I suppose those ideas aren't mutually exclusive! You could have had an early mandatory loss and then sweet revenge near the end.
I love the way the "eye" is designed. It always looks like its staring right at you.
I'm forever cursed by the fact that I know the technique they used to make it look like that, and I'm familiar with it because it's used in fursuits.
Man it sure would be crazy if that was the entire point of eyes.
@@karhu7581 I'm curious. could you explain the method?
@@fragilechinaa It's an optical illusion where the eyes (or in this case, eye) are a concave shape, giving them the illusion of following and staring into the camera (Shara in Monster Hunter world uses this same technique).
Satellite: For a time, I considered sparing the wretched little planet of Rubicon. But now, you shall witness, its dismemberment.
621: nooooooooo!
kind of boggles the mind to think about how much raw material it would have taken to build these things
That's what alwwaaaaays blows me away about games/anime/etc that have insane megastructures. They're so fucking cool, it's like sticky fly trap for me. The gargantuan grid sections that loom above R³ are some of my favorite things ever.
Just massive structures made just to facilitate the movement of raw materials
I mean we already use more or less the same on the mega cities of the world, just think how much metal must be in a place like Tokio, NYC etc.
Tho the process must be hard to figure out, I imagine you need decades to just figure out how stockpile the metals.
@toobig7150 oh yeah totally! I get excited when things are of genuinely 'stupid' scale hahaha
Lots of materials that is for sure , either from the planet itself or other planets , remember that Earth has enough steel to build roughly 3 death stars from Star wars , building a satellite as big as this one would cost alot , but is doable when it comes to materials (not cost thought)
Blame! moment
I find it interesting that the giant 'eye' of the station is very similar to the Eye on the Strider, which makes me assume that the Eye was constructed out of scavenged PCA tech by RaD, possibly even the giant laser we see in the story trailer.
The mission that granted infinite energy due to the coral density in the air would have been a fitting mechanic to use for this epic space battle. Wish it was more than just that mission as well. Interesting how the various assets for the scenario were distributed elsewhere in the game. Surely a sequel will give us more giant structure / arms fort battles.
The size comparison to the weaponized mining ship makes me think they tried it, had trouble getting something that large to work properly/within their goals/etc, and moved on. At around 10km, it's as large as the entire Breach the Karman line mission, which is split up into several actual playable areas and isn't ever accessible all at once.. I wonder if things larger than ~5km have particular issues when used as more than just environment pieces.
You also have infinite EN during breach the Karman line and you pretty much assault boost through the entire mission area. If something this big doesnt have a similar approach it would be very tedious to traverse 11km under normal conditions or even worse while dodging enemy fire.
When its not a time constraint issue, often devs drop something because they simply couldn't make it fun. Big bosses are a fine line. I know people love the Arms Forts, but some of those really got tedious to me. I would like to see their reason uncovered one day.
This makes me want a size comparison of the biggest objects in AC6. The strider was already absurd, so seeing the satellite be something like 6 times larger is just insane. Wonder how the xylem stacks up?
And I don't want to compare to the death star but holy shit. I already imagine the mission of it
@@hikigayamurakamo9340I would considering the fact that this things are already massive compared to ACs, and the fact that ACs themselves are already huge compared to human sizes.
The fact that it looks like a mechanical red eye makes it a prime candidate for ALLMIND's final form.
OMG PLEASE IMPORT THAT GARGANTUAN THING INTO ELDEN RING
It bears mentioning that 621's first AC is explicitly described as designed for space operations before anything else, so it really could've been the first boss, before the chopper even, if originally the insertion part was planned to be a bit more involved than a cutscene.
Bruh, that satellite could literally be its own planet in the Elden Ring universe.
Mark my words, they're gonna create an object the size of an entire galaxy in the next Armored Core.
I feel like an overlooked way in which From Soft is incredibly talented is in it's ability to recycle stuffs intelligently, nothings good is lost, but it's still used in an elegant way nonetheless
1:00 Seeing the model ID's got me thinking
Walter refers to the player character as "C4621", and after binge watching these videos, I can't help but wonder if that's a deliberate reference to a specific model in the game's files, or a sort of simple reference to their ID system, similar to Pixar referencing "A113"
which model even has the ID of c4621 in AC6?
The final missions being in the upper atmosphere and space was a very cool idea, but it ends up feeling like we don't spend much time up there or get a lot of chance to take in the atmosphere(lack thereof). So I'll hope that the next game of gen 6 will have more space stuff.
I was about to say "Maybe it can be a DLC enemy-" but then I remembered that the Xylem plows straight through it in one of the endings, sooooo...
Oh lord, imagine being sniper from orbit. Or a Halo Reach esque space mission.
someone at fromsoft going
"how big should we make this thing?"
"yes."
I honestly just expected that was always going to be the final level of the game, just by seeing the intro that space station screamed, final mission setting
I love these giant mega-mech boss fights. Like For Answer's uh, Mother thing, forget the name, and also the Strider. The idea of a boss being so damn big that it is actually its own little map is so friggin cool. AC has had some really cool gigantic mech-boss-things.
Jesus i'm still amazed from how huge these bosses and objects are, like remember you're a tiny human in a 10ft tall mech, fighting against even bigger mechs and tech. Radahn from Elden Ring is basically an ant compared to these...
I'm so happy you're also digging up stuff on AC6. Feels like a real community. Good job zullie! Your Zullie AC cosplay is awesome
That thing is bigger than the map of elden ring holy shit.
I like how so much of the satellite appears to be held together with expandable foam.
I will never cease to be amazed at just how BIG these things are.
The Silent Line orbital laser cannon becoming an Arms Fort type boss woulda been hype.
This. Since space travel was well established since AC2; and orbital guns in AC3:SL; even though they claim there is no established timeline; at one point I feel they will connect the dots like they did for The Legend of Zelda titles.
okay, you know what to do:
*Size comparison in Elden Ring*
Watching Zullie feels like stepping into conspiracy theory territory
What a wasted opportunity, i truly thought we were going to fight it during the fires of rubicon route. Unfortunate.
that would have been a hell of an intro mission, deploy from the pod, fight the satellite, return to the pod...
doesn't really fit the "sneaking in" story though.
I wouldn't have minded more space/orbit missions though, with appropriately space-like physics, or just full on infinite energy like the one xylem defense mission.
"Mission Objective: Destroy giant orbital laser." That would have been epic!
I felt they invested a lot of "character design" thinking into the way it's presented, so this makes a lot of sense. Looking at those rotating platforms around it, I love the thought of having to fight one of the endgame bosses while having to manage vertical changes to maintain stable footing. Heck, I guess it could be firing lasers from the eye at us while trying to duel a separate boss chasing us. The current endgame bosses already have a lot going on in them, as well as the missions leading up to them.
Imagine, the final boss starts with fighting a fucking satellite and ends with the AC fights each run normally ends with.
It’s like bed of chaos transitions into gwen
I'm so happy you and your peeps are digging around in this game's files. It's so interesting to see the stuff like this that never made the final cut!
Y'ever think about what it would be like to live among the low-level personnel on one of these giant laser superstructures? Like, you're eating lunch in Employee Cafeteria 6B, when suddenly the room shakes and you aren't sure why. But someone in a gymnasium on the other side of the station saw a giant laser zip past the window, so eventually word gets around that the station fired at something.
Contrast reality, where firing the laser would definitely be a whole _thing_ with days of preparation and miles of red tape attached, so by the time it happens everyone is already expecting it.
Scifi settings like these typically have them designed as entirely automated, there is no personnel on them. Even just sticking to AC that's how it's been with the Assault Cells of 4th Gen and in 3rd Gen the orbital bombardment systems controlled by IBIS, DOVE from vanilla AC3's counterpart, that enforce the titular "Silent Line", destroying anything that tries to enter the territory surrounding the second Layered subterranean colony.
@@gtf234 Ach, that's no fun.
Also: Mr. Death "No.1 example of a spacefaring megastructure" Star, Esq. refutes your assertion of typicality.
Also imagine after fighting ayre she downloads herself into the satellite, now more furious and desperate to keep you and Carla from ramming the xylem
It wouldve been cool if this was a NG+ boss. Your first playthrough it almost immediately destroys you while sneaking into Rubicon. On proceeding playthroughs your pilot has the "experience" to take it down. It doesn't make much sense story-wise but wouldve been a fun way of acknowledging the player's growth in skill via a new encounter that was previously "way out of your league".
The purple Zullie AC complete with Moonlight Sword is awesome!
Seems like this would have been like fighting the Motherwill from ACFA but in space, which would have been really cool
Damn Autopilot the ship helm for Wall E got a massive upgrade since then
They have to reaproach this idea and try again for future titles or DLC, zeroing in of a giga large scale satallite while dodging all the shit it throws at you only for taking it down little by little at a time, that's the stuff Mecha was made for.
This could have been Spirit Of Motherwill 3.0
Man that would have been epic, hope dlc brings some more gigantic bosses
Hopefully it's prequel DLC, keeping the open-endedness of the main game's true ending.
@@rabbittv8399 agreed
@@rabbittv8399 Could easily just be new story paths that lead to completely different results. That would also work.
@@CraveForYuri Maybe, but I don't know. I feel like the story paths are fine as they are. What I'm really hoping for is prequel DLC instead, because I have far more questions when it comes to that. What really happened before the first Fires of Ibis? Who is Assistant No. 1? Were Professor Nagai's warnings received by the entire Institute or only a select few? How did Walter and Carla grow so close together and form such a strong bond that he entrusts her with his last will in the event he dies? Who are the "fallen friends" that Walter and Carla keep mentioning and what were their stories?
I want answers to those questions more than anything else.
@@CraveForYuri ehhh, it the DLC changes the main story paths, that permanently alters the main story.
Prequel would be much cooler to me - the mystery of 621 going to Rubicon in the first place isn't answered, Rubicon Research Institute scientists that were around the triggering of the Fires can be found dead in their ACs, we don't even know the names of two of 'em. Even a story where we don't play as 621 but learn the beginning of a fire so large it consumed a star system.
New main story paths in the main game would alter the story we've already played and learned, then deny those alterations to anyone who doesn't buy the DLC lol. There'd be two slightly different main stories of AC6 instead of one if the DLC modifies the main story paths. A part of me doesn't like the idea lol
The strider's eye is visually pretty similar to the satellite, and seems somewhat at odds with the rustic appearance of the rest of the machine. Got me wondering if they got creative recycling some assets intended for whatever may have been scrapped involving this satellite content.
One thing I noticed about this satellite, is that the big red eyeball on it is very similar to The Eye laser cannon on the Strider. This video shows they are clearly very different sizes. But I think that confirms that the RLF somehow got their hands on some PCA tech when they were arming the Strider.
It would explain why all the rest of the RLF's weapons, which are made by BAWS, are ballistic, but The Eye is a laser. Because we all know how much the PCA loves their big blue deathrays.
You can definitely see how they wanted a bunch of large epic bosses in this game. Very interesting find.
Imagine if Armored core had been open world with rearming like in Ace Combat 7. The helicopter drop scenes being fast travel animations
Because from the first trailer (without having seen a previous game), I thought it might have had scavenging mechanics like in open world games such as Rust
damn the space personality core from portal 2 went places
Aww, come on, at this point it's a tradition to port both its object and NPC versions to see exactly how ungodly big they are in Elden Ring if only for the laughs and giggles. :D
It might have been interesting as the final boss of the Fires route, with Ayre in control of the entire structure rather than just Sol, the Ibis series mecha she controls in the final version of the game. While I suspect that what we ended up getting is more fun than that would have been, it would have been an interesting way of bringing things full circle, with you destroying the enemy that nearly got you in the opening cutscene.
0:12 Only just now did I realize that this is a reference Silent line’s opening movie, with the satellite cannons eye in that game being shown in a shot that looks exactly like this.
And it then transitions into a near beat for beat recreation of the drop pod scene from AC2's intro
as always you deliver great insights of very obscure sounding concepts in from-souls games
maybe the eye on the strider is the scaled down version of what this fight could have been
Perfect music for orbiting
I too am very disappointed we didn’t get to fight Unicron
The eye reminds me of the Eye from Armored Core: Silent Lines Intro, in that the Eye from Silent Line was designed with orbital strikes in mind as compared to the Eye in AC6.
"Only attack players in a cutscene?"
Isn't in Ocean's Crossing we have to evade the net and bombardment of this thing before facing C Spider?
Perhaps in a For Answer/Verdict Day style expansion/sequel. That'd be a sick
With how "for" ~ "four" and "Verdict" -> "V" -> "5", my guess is that the word of the expansion title will begin with "Vi" as in "Victory" or "Vindicated"; or it its two-word title are shortened to VI i.e. "Victory Icognito".
Imagine "armored core VI Vision"
Imagine if this was the boss and some modeller went
Did somebody misstype the measurements?
Cause it says 11,000m wide and 5,900m tall.
Is it like a massive prop object?
Noo, its ment as a boss and platform.
I can't imagine how much this was in time.
Even if a lot of people did several things. The amount must have been alot
Having the satellite as a sort of intro "boss" that immediately wrecks you sounds very in-character for From. Would it be asking too much to have a secret fake ending where you beat the satellite and never get shot down?
My gut feeling is that it got reworked into being the fight against the strider, with the original files left over. A stationary platform you navigate through a level to reach and then shoot sounds exactly like that and probably got adapted with the plot.
this game is good, and it sure is the therapy my megalophobia needs
Considering its role in the story (shooting you down into the planet at the beginning of the game). The fact that it has no death animation. And that fromsoft loves putting "mandatory defeat" bosses at the beginning of their games. This thing may have been a tutorial boss that lead to a forced death.
Literally space Motherwill....
Babe wake up new zullie video just dropped
Maybe, if we were potentially going to have the Xylem’s help, they were planning a mission similar to the first Strider mission. Having the player infiltrate the satellite in order to knock out its shields so that the Xylem could destroy it when its main gun.
Which would also be a reason it was cut, too similar to the earlier mission, but without the fanfare/satisfaction of getting the killing blow yourself.
New Zullie = happiness
Actually it occurs to me that it could have been one of their staple "You aren't supposed to beat this but if you're really good you can" bosses from their recent games, placed right at the start, and then the cutscene plays
idk why but something about this channels vids just makes me incredibly comfortable i love it
hopefully theyll use it as a boss in a future dlc
How cool would it have been, if you actually had to evade it manually and its attacks while trying to reach the surface.
I think it's likely that the Closure Satellites were meant to be the final area that would lead to the final boss in the "Fires of Raven" ending. As it is now, Raven just flies up there and starts the fight with no exploration before the final boss fight, so maybe they meant for you to end the game on the first thing that attacked you at the beginning of the game.
Curious if we might see this guy in an expansion slash DLC. The Armored Core series has had quite a few of those, even back in the day of physical discs, so could see that happening again.
this has to be part of a DLC
So you're saying we could have had an expensively-built Spirit of the Motherwill at some point but got a paper weight?
I hope Zulie will cover other from soft-like games, such as Lunacid, a kingsfield-like or The last hero of Nostalgaia, a souls-like
Remember fromsoft doesn't let unused bosses go to waste the concept always carries on to either dlc or the next game where they have the tech or recourses to pull it off just like with demon prince in ds3 making his way to the 2nd dlc the worm becoming tree spirit in elden ring or midir's weird sword thingy becoming a thing in elden ring allowing the ancient dragons to use their weapons made of lightning
So there is a potential we get a similar boss in AC 7 or in a dlc
Midir's sword thing?
@@MDMarcus in the code it was found that midir had an unused beamlike lance in his hand for an attack... That reminds you of something from elden ring?
@@dragonslayer3552 I hear you, it's Placi's OST-pausing AoE. Never heard of it, but that's cool. Did Lance make a video about that?
@@MDMarcus I think zullie actually has a video about it
@@MDMarcus well that was easy to find
Seeing as we already fought "big laser shooting at you from far away" twice, they might have just felt it would have been too much a third time.
...you know, we have 2 Big Laser that's shooting you from far away, but, what about a BIGGER Laser that shooting you from EVEN FARTHER AWAY?
Lol, the object file size is bigger than the lands between
I can imagine this definitely being a boss fight for sure and tbh I imagine this fight to be like possibly fighting something like Mother will from ACFA. There could be a possibility that they make DLC missions like they did in ACVD but it's up to them to decide on that
Can't believe John's Rubicon was the protagonist of Armored core.
Really need someone to give me a quick rundown on AC lore
Damn, Wheatley got an upgrade...
I was kind of hoping Zulie would show us the satellite in Elden Ring like she did for the mining platform, but I imagine it may have caused a few issues given its sheer imensity.
I wonder if this cut boss fight was supposed to be the closure station 31 raid mentioned in some branch members' arena entries. Wish we could've gotten a mission where we teamed up with them.
I have no idea what I found but it’s pretty cool
We were so close to have The Answerer esque boss fight from FA.
Also theres early leak picture showing battleship in space.
The music you use actually makes these videos spooky. It makes me think that if I did this myself the unused game assets would come to life and attack me.
That they themselves could somehow notice your forbidden probing.
I LOVE the AC version of Zullie at 1:04! Glad you could keep the look!
I love things like this, seeing people uncover lil things like this is always amazing to see