Flash (T) v Savior (Z) on Ultimatum - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2018
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Despite this video being 1 year old... and the replay obviously MUCH older than that; my compliments on a good video Falcon. Informative commentary. Good history lesson. Look to videos like this to keep your current commentary to this standard/or better... I admit I am slightly biased because it's Flash and a TvZ. Some of my favorite elements of starcraft. Love your channel. - A loyal fan.
After 10 year break, i went back to playing brood war, its great even without the remastered edition
I prefer the old version for more nostalgia
BW will never die.
Thinking of playing the game again because of Paladin's commentary videos. 😊
The mineral patches: it's at locations of island expansions, all three races can expand there if they drop a worker and collect the minerals first, but Terran can't just land a command center there before having dropship technology.
Around the 20:00 mark when you're wondering why Saviour isn't producing defilers, it's because he doesn't have gas. Flash has been running around picking off bases denying Savior gas. Late game is always about gas heavy units. Ultralisks cost 200 min, 200 gas, Defilers cost 50 min, 150 gas. If you look at the resources tab around 20:35 Savior has around 1700 min, and 160 gas banked, Flash has 5578 min, and 2660 gas banked. Flash's composition is essentially SK Terran with a bit of Biomech (siege tanks) thrown in, his main army composition is Medics, Marines and Science vessels. Saviour is trying to have Ultralisks as his gas sink unit, with Zerglings being his mineral sink, but he doesn't have enough gas to have enough Ultralisks to force a fight, I think usually you need about a dozen ultralisks (which would been 2400 min, and 2400 gas) to force the Terran Army to take a fight.
M&M are low econ and really easy to replace. Science Vessels are expensive (100 min, 225 gas) but they're highly mobile and regen energy so they're really cost effective if they survive. As long as Flash can poke around and kite, and keep map control, it's very hard for Savior to force a big fight to eliminate the bulk of Flash's army. What Savior really needs are some Queens to stop Terran mobility and force a fight where he can group Ultralisks to run the Terran army over. Zerg always needs to be at least a base up on the Terran to match the gas heavy units. Flash was constantly able to deny Savior's fifth forcing Savior to go for drop plays and starving Savior of gas. At around 22:00 mins when flash is going after the 3o'clock expansion, it's why he's killing the extractor first cause he knows he has to deny as much gas as possible. Around the 24:10 mark Savior doesn't have the gas economy to keep with Flash's army composition. Flash always needs to keep around 6-10 Science vessels for map control, along with about 8-12 siege tanks, which is about 44 supply, he'll have around 60 SCVS, the rest of his supply will be the low econ M&M. At 26:30 flash supply blocks Savior this is basically the game right there. The last few minutes of the game is just Savior trying to find a play anywhere.
Generally of all the great Terrans it was only Flash that was able to consistently choke the map away from the Zerg in a macro game like this, why he was the essentially the best Terran player ever.
I love the fact that this many people watch sc1. It's such an old game if you've never played it in childhood or youth you wouldn't have sympathy for this game today. Falcon Paladin is the best commentator for these viewers here from post teen to mid age, drifter to businessman (possibly) :-)
I never played it but love watching it.
The number of cassually sent ultras and zerglings to their deaths is agonizing to watch. O.o Falcon, you were right on the continued use of dark swarm. Couldve saved sooooo much.
in contrast with other great Zergs, Savior was not known for this micro
They're not sent to death. Its called stalling.
Dude you are a very entertaining narrator for sure! Love your style, and your videos!
Thanks, Brandon!
I enjoy watching this 20y old game. It's wonderful that the gameplay still holds to this day :)
This is literally the video video I watched by you and I already subbed! I love the 'human' aspect to your commentary, it doesn't feel robotic like some commentators can be.
Thanks for subbing! Glad you like my casting. :)
I used to play Starcraft 1 and then somehow stopped playing it. Now I am studying for a degree that is about to drain my life. Your channel reminds me of my care-free times playing this game. Thx!
Man, that's depressing to think about. Hope you return to those care free days
Same boat.
21:22
"Savior's Gamble"
That word choice.. lmfao.
Heh, entirely unintentional. :D
21:20
I don't get it
@@steveocho savior is infamous for a massive matchfixing scandal that almost destroyed the brood war scene over a decade ago
I looked it up, it says those mineral patches are there so Command Centers cannot lift there.
Huh, good to know! Thanks!
to block the expos
you wanted to know how many zerglings died during this ? Nearly all of them
uh, you guys are new to this game. :) it's always good to see new people coming up. I've been playing this game for 8 years and two games are never equal.
Bwahaha I have played starcraft since before brood war came out. Also who said that 2 games are equal ? WTF are you talking about here ??
After 20 years i still love this game, well done Terran
6:56 "Here comes Flash" arguably the most terrifying statememt to hear in all of Starcraft BW
PitzkeMP - Savior was just as good and arguably better at his peak, but that fact gets lost due to his match fixing scandal
@@KyhronLuna yeah people are so rabid and just straight up deny his greatness because of it, which is a shame, the guy made zerg what it is.
Watching commentary of his games is not enough to grasp the full scope of his abilities, load em in to your own client, pause and observe his positioning and try and comprehend his decision-making, guys was a no holds barred genius, no other way to put it.
i just love your cast even if the game is boring at the beggining your comentary is briliant.
Falcon thanks for the Brood War games. I love watching Flash play SC, it's like watching Mozart compose music.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the cast. :)
Outstanding cast! 💯
Great work, thank you for this :)
You are very observant and have a child like perspective on the game, which not alot of commentators can do. I never knew the critters would be so fun to watch
As always Falcon Paladin I want to say great job. I also want to make a comment to all the people who love and enjoy this game as much as we all do. Let's keep the comments respectful and polite even when we are offering constructive criticism towards Falcon Paladin. This guy is not making a million dollars casting these wonderful games in English so let's cut him some slack. He is essentially doing us all a public service for free so let's try to be nice to him and say thank you instead of calling him a fucking moron because he called a Spore Colony a Spore crawler. Get over it. Again thank you Falcon Paladin.
Thanks, Stuart. :)
I read the last part as " Get over it. Again fuck you Falcon Paladin" Still dont know why XDD
I enjoyed your casting man. Keep it up :D
Thanks, will do!
Brood War, Yay!
You're a fun commentator and you keep improving!
7:40 Ooooooh hes burrowing the 2 other lurkers on the same spot so if Flash scans he'd see only 2 holes
Hey Falcon,
Nice channel man. The reason for the mineral patches is so that Terran cannot lift command centers and land there as they are also too close to a mineral patch to land. It makes it more fair because all of the races have to use a drop ship to get to the island bases.
28:59 In response to your comments: I listen to your channel because of your narration of the matches. very entertaining!
been playing it for 15 years and seeing Defiler's face for the first time. Yep for sure I used to, just hearing Savior's name, his real name, get goosebumps. For me it's Bisu, Savior, Flash.
Really loving your vids :)!
You heard scans at about 5:00 yous hould actively look for those scans, or switch the fog of war to show only flashes vision so that you can see where he scanned, see if he saw that third base or not. Good casting ^^
Hey falcon. good casting. Keep the good work, I'm enjoying all ur videos.
Dude you’re amazing plz keep casting :3
FlaSh apm dropping to low 200s is very odd especially since this was near his peak
love this commentary!
The defiler makes you think of Silence of the Lambs
2:19 Because those mineral patches block the Commandcenters/Nexuses/Hatcheries and you have to mine some mineral before you can exp there.
Thanks for the explanation. :)
At 28:36 Excellent comment!! ^^
That Ultra drop tho
Cant wait for more broodwar casting
Here I was thinking that you clearly need a break from casting, only to realize that this was two years ago. You've gotten so much better!
4th game with Flash I've watched now where he just doesn't lose.
This was the first one I saw where his opponent actually looked like he had a chance at some point.
Don't tell anyone else:
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Pretty cool game.
Defilier faces remind me of Cylon Centurions
quite tense it seems. what a game.
felt like an epic one!
I was born in 1999 and still play good old fashion broodwar with my laptop😂😂 I need to update
You rock, man!
This is going to sound revolutionary...but what if you used A queen to ensure all those REALLY FAST sci vess?
Ensare
Hey Falcon, you've came a long way my friend :) Here's to another 3 years of getting to hear "Hey Starcraft Fans" :)
Hey, Ghost! Thanks for the kind words. :) I hope I'm here for many, many years! Many more than three! :)
Love to watch Flash killing Zergs. He manages to use all units of air and ground forces.
Some rust from the Ma Bonjwa. As always, the precision: dark swarm, defensive timings, precise execution of build. Everything is stellar, but that's it :D
Back then it was his passivity that killed his opponents, he trades well, attacks with just enough units to dish out the needed damage then all of a sudden he's waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his opponent.
In this game, he just sits there doing nothing. Throwing ultras left and right, not to mention his ultras are suuuper late probably because he teched to hive way too early when he didn't need much dark swarm yet. Maybe he's scared of tanks? He needed the swarm for tanks.
But that's understandable. He's playing for fun only nowadays, he has nothing to push him to get the old saviOr back.
Regardless, the precision of his dark swarm still gives me the creeps. His defense in 27:30 shows a glimpse of the defensive prowess of the maestro of the old. He freaking destroyed that huge drop with minimal units wtf man.
Great video.
I like the mineral patches randomly through out the map and I think they did that to make the map seem more realist. ps I like your casting style, it less like watching a tournament cast and more like me watch a game with a friend :)
Despite this video being 4 year old... and the replay obviously MUCH older than that; my compliments on a good video Falcon. Informative commentary. Good history lesson. Look to videos like this to keep your current commentary to this standard/or better... I admit I am slightly biased because it's Flash and a TvZ. Some of my favorite elements of starcraft. Love your channel. - A younger and more loyal fan.
Hey, thanks for stopping by! Glad you enjoyed the history lesson, and boy do I sound a lot younger in this.
I have to say, I've never seen a top end player that didn't spam. I was shocked at the start to, so I kept track of it the whole game. At one point Savior was around 110 APM, but it hovered around 130-150 for a while. Then as the game went on and there was more to do, it steadily rose to around 200. Then again rose and stayed around 230-250 for a while. Savior actually exceeds Flash a few times after the 10 minute mark (260-300 range). They both settled around 250 in the late game, which seems to happen a lot in pro games.
The 2nd half of the video looks like Flash was on a whole nother level from Savior.
Oh yeah! When you think the day doesn’t get better and you find this! Thank you FP!!! 🤛
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
"Deathblow to the Savior" needs to be an album name.
Love your videos, Please more ZvT, ZvP, and ZvZ !
I think in the case of those weird mineral patches, it might just be a map designer quirk thing. They may confuse or otherwise mess with the worker AI which may make the income from that base a little slower. It also would make it more difficult for a Zerg to place multiple Hatcheries there, as the minerals would block the Hatchery placement. You could potentially use them for mineral walking, I guess, but that wouldn't be overtly more useful than just mineral walking to say your main or natural. It may also just be purely for cosmetic purposes, the mineral layout looks more natural that way and it looks kinda nice.
7:40 Savi0r stacked Lurkers on top of each other
7:54 2 spines and 4 Lurkers.
Just goes to show you how crazy Broodwar can be
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Little explosive teeth?Hahahhahaha!Not the teeth explodes mate :D.You are funny dude!
WOW. I love you as a commenter (commentator) of Starcraft. It's just so refreshing to have someone so intelligent who speaks well. When you mentioned sisyphus to describe the never-ending pointless labor, I just had to stop working and write this comment. You are officially my favorite commenter of SC games. I am going to look up your podcasts, too. You're not vulgar, you stay focused on casting the games, you're not all about inside jokes, you prolific in what you produce. You're great.
Minor request: I think you should analyze maps more (i.e., the players are playing on map A, this map is conducive to rushes or economy or fliers, etc.). I realize that's less of a thing in BW, though.
I love Falcons feedback and commentary very awesome to hear as a old-school StarCraft player. I made a new account recently and then I lost some matches on the BGH map 3v3 lol and I told them I played years ago... so don’t disrespect a old school player💯🖕🖕
26:00 - March of the Science vessels
at 28:26 Excellent ! ^^
I am 100% sure Dear Flash was so so so much enjoy with Savior, he is really playing game...
No micro no epic tag ! :)
you might miss some things while casting man, but some of us still appreciate your casts so keep doing them, you'll be better and better
Savior did not do enough to keep the science vessel count low.
Saviour aka he who shall not be named
calyn06 😁😁
dark side ate his soul
Well he was the best zerg ever. The dark lord indeed.
I watched this channel so many times why not subscribe
Thank you!
Comming to you. Sounds much better dude !!!! Thumbs up, subscribe !!!!! Keep it up !
what tournament is this sir?
This player could have won if he didn't waste so many ultralisks. It's amazing to see Flash use his strategy of overwhelm the opponent with irradiates and hundreds of nonstop marines.
How did life do the match making thing I didn’t know was possible
Did you know that clicking about 15 times (I can't remember the exact number) over a critter ,this will explode just like a nuclear launch. You must click on the critter once a second approximately
I am aware. :)
Flash was in control of this game from the 10 min mark on.
Your voice suit your style contain on your RUclips channel. Good work falcon paladin
Thanks! I do my best. :)
haha best intro commentary
We gotta get your name out there cuz you’re an awesome caster! It’s not Husky but I’m sure you’ll get to that level
Savior was doing pretty well again Flash
Terran looks absolutely unstoppable lol
Where do you get the replays of old that work on remastered?
bwreplays.com, also TeamLiquid. Anything newer than 2009 or so is pretty solid.
@@FalconPaladin Thanks
what we can learn from this one? Coordination is important.
If you bring lings and 10 mins after your defiler than it is pretty useless it seems
You're always worried/confused about the tech buildings being placed in the 3rd. The idea is to hide what he's doing. It's a gamble, sure, but so much is in SC. It's often about gambling intelligently for the win.
guys let him cast this way its more appealing to new incoming brood war players, new brood war players would be intimidated if they hear technical broodwar terminologies but this? its a bit relatable to them and if you guys want to watch in depth BW watch the sons of starcraft tasteless and artosis cast . . . at least FP is relatable to newbs
tasteless and artosis actually make a noob friendly cast :3 Or at least I feel it that way haha
The game is pretty easy to learn you can play properly at 1500 in around a 2 or 3 weeks or so o:
Of course if you want to get higher then yea is really hard uwu
yeah true... i remember during a ASL cast (think it was the one right after remastered came out) and Tasteless started the cast by saying that him and Artosis were wanting to keep it simple and "hold our hands". Well, about 10 seconds after, he was talking about a plethora of different build orders (like the Protoss 2 base fast expo with wall in etc) Don't get me wrong, I love their commentary but cmon, first timers don't even know what a "gate" is :)
@ Bil Simmons
Tell that to all those Korean girls who would pack stadiums to watch OSL finals. I remember once a reaver nailing about 8 marines with one scarab and all you could hear was thousands of females screaming. You can enjoy Broodwar without actually playing it.
Can You give more info about games you recasting? Tournament stage etc...
Sometimes I can, but often the replays I get have no context.
i use to stay in korean chats from 3.33 and other teams.... i friended a lot of them and one of my friends made me play 1 game vs savior.... i was insanely good Terran.... but the macro that savior had was just hacks... it was all good before he ran in with ultras.... it was most pleasuring loss in my scbw gaming....
Meddl Loide!
Best thing you can do is admit when you are wrong. Most people dont have the strong characteristic to grow and learn. No one is always perfect. Ever. People will like and respect you more 🙂
Had to pause the video and comment when at 22 minutes flash had been over 3k minerals since minute 17 and by 22 7k minerals and 3k gas. No way Savior is winning this Falcon. No damage was done to the terran the whole game.
I mean, 22:05, Flash just lost like 10 supply depots, and 10 seconds later, he was back with 200. Man, how the hell did he do that
He probably knew he was going to lose those depots in the attack, so he just built more supply depots at his other bases.
Is Savior allowed to compete again or are this replay prior to his ban?
This is old, yeah.
I like.
Not enough more minerals, still mining while in-game.
why do you keep zooming on units? Is it the first time you see them?
War of attrition. Terrans are very good at those.
Why Savior refused to trans. to air units+ zergs, i really dont get it
arghhhh wiggle wiggle lmao
ta, nice commentary
I wonder why Flash didn't irradiate as much as zerg overlord as he can, even when provided the opportunity. Non only that zerg would be supply blocked, but that also reduce overlord drop.