EPIC - Flash (T) v Zero (Z) on Electric Circuit - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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called zero jaedong xD
A few times
A few times :)!
called Flash jaedong as well!
lmao
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what I find interesting is that in the end game flash apm were increasing to almost 400 while zero's were actually plummeting below 200. LIke it's not just a matter of strategy and skill, but endurance too. Zero was exhausted after 40 minutes, while flash had still the energy to pump like a beast. that guy's simply beyond human.
man terran music never gets old. No matter how often I hear it, I can replay it over and over again! Great match.
That keyboard solo omg 😩👌
I will agreed with you 23 years back.
Both of those players are absolutely crazy, such a good game.
No kidding!
Hey man, you're doing great! You're learning a lot! Unusual game with the Valkyries instead of Vessels!
Wall-offs in this game are very complicated. Unlike in SC2, each building has its own profile and is a certain amount of pixels. You can have situations where you build what looks to be a full wall-off but it actually has like 3 holes in it that zealots can run through, for no reason. Each unit is also a different size - Ghosts, the smallest unit in the game, can run through a great many things (though they're never used).
He was moving his barracks up and down to get the marines back inside the base, he may have had a full wall-off so they were stuck outside and thus vulnerable to Zerglings.
I don't think this is actually Circuit Breakers? Not sure what map it is, but I do really like this map, it looks cool.
Expanding in this game is very different than SC2. You'll notice that Flash doesn't move outside of his base at all until he has sufficient defense for Mutalisks and gets Stim done. Unlike in SC2 which is like two sumo wrestlers constantly pushing on each other, BW is more of a big see-saw, where at certain points of the game, either Terran or Zerg gets to put massive amounts of pressure on the other, and the other is just helpless until they get a certain unit out (Mutalisks, Science Vessels, Defilers, Siege Tanks, etc etc). This makes hiding expansions especially effective, as it's easy to sneak a base when your opponent isn't free to move out for long periods of time!
Anyways, great cast, man. You're putting in work, and it'll pay off in the end.
Was just about to type something like this!
Yeah if you have a wall of supply depots vertically ghosts wont be able to go through but have it horizontally then, they can easily. Apples to sunks and cannons as well
The map is Electric Circuit (original version, not Neo Electric Circuit).
Ross Erickson think this is escalde
This is an excellent comment
Absolutely glorious. I've been watching SC games for a decade, this goes into my top 5.
Which game is top 1? :D
@@tuannguyenhuy4615 Not sure, too many matches to remember xD
One of the most epic StarCraft matches I've seen.
Happy you enjoyed it. :D
It’s April 2020. I’m on a Falcon binge.
Demian Terentev I’m always on a falcon binge.
a much YOUNGER sounding Falcon, in the earlier ones, lol.
11:10 can't imagine how terrifying this situation if it's happen in real life lol
amazing game... what zero can hold is crazy. i mean non stop action is just ridiculous. thank you so much for this cast. great job jeadong 👌 :D
Absolutely deserves the epic tag. Epic game. Epic cast. Enjoyed it immensely.
Glad you liked it! :)
It terrified me to think what would these guys do if they were real generals facing each other during ancient time.
lmao
MInh Ha Better hope your not on a bike
It would be starship troopers
I love how you still take time every once in awhile to appreciate the small details in this remaster
That back and forth on the north base was insane and such a scrappy game. Amazing stuff Falcon!
Yes it was!
Zero was known as "the Queen's man". There's often an odd queen or even a legion of them in his games. It's like his signature move. There was an old map, I think it was called holy ground. Where there is a neutral command centre. He sometimes infest it and use it against protoss to good effect.
this game brings me back to the time when there is no sc2, great battle
Happy you enjoyed it. :)
Amazing how pros can handle multiple battles at the same time.
This is the glory of fast paced rts
i read a comment on another video about flesh playing tanks and vulchers but this was ridiculous, the fight on this game was awesome, i was barley keeping up with the details, just swaring, nice game, Tank you falcon , on to another
best Zerg play I've ever seen
Flash is the best Terran player I’ve ever watched. I love his use of mech in TvZ so much.
Thank you Paladin! 👍👍
You got it, Christian!
That was the best game I've seen in really quite a while. The micro in that meat-grinder was intense.
Insane game! This absolutely deserves the epic tag!
With all of the things happening, there was maybe one point in the game where Z had a chance of winning, the rest was pretty one-sided. T always had spare bases and production up, the last 20 minutes or so was just a question of how long Z can hold out without slipping up with dark swarms.
Maybe, but for a "normal" gamer its still isnane to see how he keeps up his advantage because zerg can easily get outer hand even whith the back agianst the wall if he made some msitakes.
Purple did quite a lot of stalwart defenses especially at that 11/12 o'clock base.
insane unit control by Flash so goood
This was awesome! Thanks, FP!
Yep! Thanks for watching!
Zerg needs a lot of bases in the late game to mine gas because their big units (ultralisks and defilers) cost a lot of gas. Zero runs out of gas at around 32:00 minutes, and then he can't defend his top left bases.
I don't think this is electric circuit but hey A VERY GOOD GAME
Finally a game with a little bit of variation and great commentary!
One of the best games I ever watched ,thank you for your upload ! like your commentary by the way.
Thank you, Alexandru!
TOTAL CHAOS of a match, haha, crazy!
28:08 Flash's been going at that base for a while. Isn't it better to just destroy the Nydus Canal? Sincere question, since I"m a noob and he's a pro.
AlexTechie That’s what i was thinking too. If he had rushed the canal it could have saved him at least two tank squads. By drawing out the battle he let Zerglings and ultras reinforce the hive
The reason he didn’t just straight up obliterate zero is for let’s call it “professional curtesy” yes flash could have killed the nydas and been done but beating an opponent so quickly and easily especially on a professional level makes for poor gaming later on. Flash had the potential to win every game he every played but if he did that he would have zero challengers and would not be invited to blizzcon and all that stuff. So. In short. It was to allow zero to maintain a fighting chance.
@@airbornepsyco341 so there's actually a thing of being too good that you're not allowed to join an event where you're good at?
@justin no there isn’t but if you are always winning no ones gonna wanna play that’s all I’m saying.
It's like CholeraSC but in 2018, nice job man
Thanks, dude. :)
Probably my favorite game ive ever seen on this channel. And thats saying something cause everyone knows i root for the swarm. Truely epic. Great game and cast.
Glad you enjoyed it! Crazy match.
I thought this was an older replay. Some of the commenters are rather critical, but as you've pointed out elsewhere you're casting this by yourself and you're just going to miss some things, especially in a long intense match like this. I think you do great! :-D
At 3:40: Flash pioneers the Barracks Exercise Program.
A few people mention the Infested Command Centers, but I checked to see if they mentioned... at 36:54 on the game timer (start watching at 36:48 on the RUclips video) Zero actually starts producing an infested Terran! It's in the production tab, right after you told Zero to make one. :-) We don't see it but presumably when it pops it tries to blow up some SCVs. Live for the Swarm!!
Zerg should pay more attention to vultures sneaking into base to kill drones. Plus more drones are needed for efficient mining!
6:40 Actually, medics are what made Mutas manageable in TvZ, Valks are situational and until recently weren't used at all. On paper, they are a fatter version of the Corsair, but in reality they are much worse. The main problem with Valks is that each rocket counts towards the total sprite limit of the engine, meaning that if there are many units on the map, they will simply not fire at all (pretty sure this wasn't fixed in Remastered, since the two versions are compatible). 12 Corsairs will melt a Muta flock in seconds, but 12 Valks will just stand there like morons and die. This is why you still only see them in the early game to facilitate a mech opening. Aside from the engine limitations, Valks are difficult to micro, especially with Scourge around, because they stand still until all 3 "waves" of missiles are fired. Korean pros have only recently learned how to properly micro Valks vs Muta, using hit n run tactics (afaik, they use the patrol command while the Valk is moving away from the Mutas and Scourge, letting the momentum carry them out of range while they bukkakke the flock with missiles). It's amazing when you think about it, after the game was out for almost 20 years, people developed a new micro technique that in turn allowed them to use a new build order (fast exp into 1-1-1 or 5 rax mech). BW is amazing.
(off topic) Sry if i spam your comments too much. Don't take anything I say as negativity, I love your commentary and enthusiasm.
Nah, thanks for the insight into BW. I appreciate it. :)
This was the best Brood War game that I've ever seen! If you are checking out the comments to make up your mind about watching this... definitely watch this game!
Why are there almost no queens against such a heavy mecha army?
Im so curious to see what that infested terran ended up doing. One was certainly produced.
"Oh there's a plague, that's new."
Well it was basically Year 2 of the Great War by that point, plagues are common in those conditions! Also somehow I just discovered this channel and it's awesome.
Haha yeah, metas evolve. :) Thanks for nice words!
I watched the whole thing. Keep it up
Dear Lord that was epic!
man, its like watching a movie yo! hahaha nice! this brought me more than just great memories! bought me great appreciation as well!! great job sir!!
Thanks, Brian!
Around 37:30 zero makes an infested Terran. Looks like it might have gotten a few worked kills. Might be a good opportunity to do a RUclips short of that moment.
41:41 when the last patch of water sips down the sink
Was this a practice game? How did you get the replay? There doesn't seem to be a record of an official game between Zero and Flash on Electric Circuit.
Interesting match. Valk opening was pretty different definetly threw off zero in the mid game especially with some good trades. Nice to see the queen play but too few and way too late. They were definetly needed in the battle in the top left corner. Broodlings cause tanks to fire on each if you don't command stop fire and they cause spider mines too splash your tanks. Feel zero could have done better with map control. Can't let terrans just keep their buildings park floated in the center of the map gives away to much information as to troop movement.
pretty good cast tbh
The amount of action missed (namely ZerO attacking FlaSh's bases) here was a damn shame. :(
There was a Lurker drop at 8 o'clock, with ling ultra moving in to force a lift on the 9 o'clock and the cleaning up SCVs retreating from 8 o'clock. Those zerglings and ultralisks then moved north to flank the mech army and help defend Zero's bases that were pretty much the only thing being shown for ages.
Later, a queen spawned, ZerO used...something...to damage the 9 o'clock base again and then infested the CC. The queen the flies almost immediately over to 3 o'clock to infest that CC that was damaged earlier, succeeds. We see none of this. The queen then parasites a tank (at ~3 range instead of the 12 the ability has :P), which we do see. Falcon Paladin the proceeds to think that the infested CC he sees landed later at 3 o'clock is somehow the now moved ~9 o'clock despite not a lot of time passing for it to fly over there, then clicks to where the (ex-9 o'clock) infested CC is (closer to 8 o'clock position but more to the east) and makes no note whatsoever the obvious impossibility that the same infested CC has now immediately teleported from 3 to east of 8, or even the existence of the infested CC...on screen. o.o (or you made no mention of "huh another was infested".) Once one is in the game, any more is just same ol' same ol', I guess?
Both bases in the bottom left taken out, nice positioning for the tanks, but don't worry about those lings streaming towards them nor the purple wave that follows them on the minimap, that's not worth watching. Let's just exclusively watch FlaSh try to micro vultures against lurkers and sunken colonies instead. ¯\_(シ)_/¯
Wow! Look at all these units coming out of the nydus! Oh yeah I suppose there's some Dark Swarm down there and the tanks have gone for some reason, I guess ZerO cleaned that up somehow but whatever, I'm sure it wasn't worth watching. ¯l_(o-o)_l¯
It was still exciting, but I think we missed 60+% of what was in the action packed parts of the game. It's also nice to see the macro once in a while (check Zero's/FlaSh's base to see what's popping out or waiting around). Even if we can potentially see it in the production tab, it's good to see it on screen and see where it is located once it is made.
Well, this was somewhat fun to write, so I suppose that partly makes up for the missed action. ;-D
Absolutely agree! Everyone loves Falcon Paladin yet here I am trying so hard to enjoy anything from his videos but I just simply can't because of his lack of knowledge and a very poor camera. Why do people like this so much? This guy is useless.
I do think spawn broodlings would have helped a lot, killing sieged tanks from a distance would have helped a lot in those ultra-ling counter attacks.
Edit: Just remembered how slow energy replenishes, this strategy would work with 4 to 5 queens, so doesn't really look that good in second sight
Broodling kills one tank with it's brood and another with friendly fire and forces tanks to unsiege. But yeah it will take forever for the queen to get enough energy.
That was some trench warfare going on at the top right lol
That 11 o’clock field of blood and burned steel!
Crazy match, battles everywhere indeed, never see this in SC2
LOVE THE OLD SCHOOL GHODZ!!!
epic match
Are not u interested what happening sides? How do armies appear in center ? Where from
Total classic
min 15:40 that's not suicide, that's what I call a hero
Daaamn, Zero *almost* cracked Flash here like 6 different times. He made Flash WORK for this win hard. Not at all like Flash's usual TvZs.
I would love to know why it takes so many hits for upgraded lings and lurkers to kill suv's, might be the most crazy thing about this game.
Overall not bad, it was good articulation and I could tell that you were excited about the game. But feel that you need to learn more of the basics/fundamentals of Brood War to make this even better - for example, lay of the map, wall placements, understanding of unit interactions and micro intricacies (felt you didn't fully understand it for M&Ms, mutas, tanks, swarms, guardians, valkyries). Then go on to figure out the timings and build orders that are typically used in these matchups (at times you sounded confused).
terran is just so overpowered
Yeah specifically the siege tank.
BEst TvZ in your channel so far.
Something i do not understand is why Flash doesnt goes full tank + goliath once he has the means, that makes air trheats non existant, avoids drops and Goliaths thou their pathfinding is the worse basically operate by themselves if told to hold a position between tanks. I do that mix + tank leap frog and invariably win most battles, i am prone to rushes in the beggining but if the other players allow me to build 4 factories that combo is just unstoppable.
Gnarly dude, totally !
Epic
out of breath just watching amazing game!!
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
u didn't notice the infested CC ..
Falcon! U missed an infested terran!! So many discussions about them this year! Have you got the second chance it in 2019? :)
infested terran drops would have been awesome
Insane 300+ APM for 40 mins!
Very good
The map was electric circuit, not circuit breakers ^^ amazing cast as always though man!
Note: always check the background music level to your mic level. BG music interferes too much.
Yeah, I got it figured out a bit after this cast went up. Well, mostly. Sound balance is always a struggle. Thanks. :)
Да флеш ваще, сущий макро терран
Falcon my gosh
26:22 Jaedong
Jdong is a Terran player now?
Was that professional bm in the end? :D
Every Saturday? damn we lucky we got 3 days now. Damn when i joined i guess it was every Tuesday and Thursday idk im just glad i have more SC 1 XD
holy f that was an amazing match, i can feel the wrist pain.. 40 mins of 300 AMP zzz these people just build different
he made one infested terran and you missed that, so sad :( 37:11
I smell... NukeTheStars
Should Zero have used Guardians?
yes, epic
I need to know...
are you related in any way to mr. Paladin?
No. Also, who is that?
A tf2 spy channel
@@ryanyuan9592 Then nope. :)
Falcon Paladin Just wanted to let you know, please don’t do anything else on this channel, ive seen many channels go into stuff like fortnight click bait and they just aren’t good anymore. :(
Falcon Paladin also thanks for the heart for 3 seconds before I edited it by accident (it was my first heart that I ever got and probely the last), it really warms my heart seeing you still care about comments and stuff on your videos from a couple of years ago.
God these games are vastly more interesting to watch than SC2 games.
Hey paladin.
Who win ???
Flash or Zero
стражей в атаку бросил умирать)))
Your voice was so different in 2018 bro 😂
Yeah, getting older does that :)
Ding dong
wow
JAEDONG
Terran seems broken. Tanks are too strong, and spider mines are crazy.
Mutaswitch, hydraqueen, ultraling drop plus swarm, plague tank
Man , ZOOM OUT sometimes!
This map is not circuit breaker btw, sick game nonetheless.
man this game is bunkers
lol
It's not green, it's teal.
I'm actually not sure if flash is that good or if he is carried by Terran. Terrans simply have too much compared to the other races. This has been for most of the game since the times of boxer, nada and flash.
Happy New Year America
Happy New Year!
Falcon Paladin Damn,you are fast
Fastest replies in the West. :)