Mojang Supports Minecraft Griefing???
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Griefing has been a part of minecraft since its earliest days. Hated by some and loved by others, is griefing actually mean't to be a part of minecraft though?
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0:00 - Intro
0:31 - To Claim or Not to Claim
2:06 - The Rise of Griefing
5:37 - The Big Problem With Griefing
9:49 - Notch and Mojang On Griefing
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@@RealCatFriend i think i already lost
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js cuz u said that im griefing
People who grief are free to do what they want on their own servers, but hacking your way into private servers just to destroy things that hold value to others is not the same thing, and does not fall under the umbrella of creative destruction.
I won't try to justify it but it's genuinely fun
@@granateds ya, seek mental help. 'It's fun to destroy the effort of others'
@@DePhoegonIsleit's a human emotion bud I dont know but u know even u will like griefing if u did plus half of video minecraft videos are about killing stealing and griefing
@@DePhoegonIsle mostly depends on "who" am i griefing
apparently it does. people are naturally evil, they will destroy other peoples work just for the fun of it.
"The urge to destroy is also a creative urge." - Picasso
dont ruin the 69
too late
@@lifenreviewsalready ruined :D
i always feel that
so, is war creative?
I prefer funny pranks like filling someone's base with water, not straight up destruction.
I once filled a whole base with water and added fish, corals and kelp to it, that shit was fun
see as someone who hates greifing this is more funny to me. sure its a pain to fix but then id build a fishtank in memory of that prank rather then be sad and depressed my time was wasted.
i really like those kinds of non-destructive pranks. my personal favorite is building a ton of 2x2x2 cobblestone cubes like a thousand meteors landed on the base ! it's absolutely unnerving but still easy to clean up : )
and they get revenge by doing something even crazier, hich then allows you to one-up them again. Its fun to try to find a way to annoy them. Griefing just leads them to grief you and its done.
i do that but sometimes i lavacast if they have a exact scaffold structure made or a bunch of cobble just as a joke to the fact they have a bunch of placed cobble or that they have big staircases. I also do stuff like the iron door trap and noise machine and the "put a bucnh of boats in one spot" prank and the "no sleep for you prnak (nametaged zombie bellow bed)
Of course they do because they made the creeper
Fax 😂
Aw Man
@@anishsankar8725Revenge, creeper. Aw man
Notch made the creeper. Modern Mojang would never add something like that today
@@thef1fthcolumnpeople act like the game doesn’t have violence because the branding is squeaky clean but they are absolutely adding violence.
People get upset over not being able to kill new passive mobs (God forbid we have unique methods of collecting items) for drops or try to use the creeper as a talking point when we got the warden standing in the corner
its part of minecraft the same way peeking at someone else’s screen in local multiplayer is
As long as their is the ability to create, there will always be the ability to destroy, especially in the limitless sandbox universe that minecraft is, and i love it 🥵
Finally people are starting to realize that even though they disapprove of the action, that the feature makes sense in a sandbox environment.
its like superflat. not the best in survival but its a staple of the game
Wait. Do you realize what these people are doing? They’re not just destroying things, they’re not just stealing loot. This is not your friends. Random people that genuinely enjoy the game and spend a lot of time on these servers are essentially getting their servers progress erased. I don’t play much Minecraft, but I play sometimes with my friends, and I’ve seen people that spend a lot of time on a server and If some not went through. Hold up I started ranting on some random video I don’t care about ima leave
Peeking at someone's screen doesn't ruin hours of work
Haven’t watched yet, but there’s 2 things that I can say right off the bat
1. “No one can tell you what you can or cannot do” - Minecraft launch trailer
2. “Nothing built can last forever” - Ivor, Minecraft Story Mode
Bro is quoting Minecraft like scripture lmao
"Nothing ever last forever" 🎵🎵
@@thef1fthcolumn He's being more convincing right now than anybody I've ever seen citing actual scripture.
@@Mariwend Just wait til our next video lol, we got plenty of scripture otw ;)
@@thef1fthcolumn absolute chaos?
Minecraft is a game where no one can tell you what you can or cannot do
Dont forget that
However, if a server wants to make griefing against the rules, then follow those rules
We have anarchy servers for a reason
You just contradicted yourself
@AYAKXSHI no they didn't
@@AYAKXSHI i just said we have anarchy servers for a reason
Servers have the right to enforce rules
@@MaskedAnonymous They did "Minecraft is a game where no one can tell you what you can or cannot do", servers can tell you what you can or can not do, they worded it incorrectly, it should be "Minecraft is a game that doesn't tell you what you can or cannot do", but even that isn't true anymore now that chat reporting has been added. (And even then you run into the issue that telling and enforcing are two different things.)
@voidbite6201 Way to think inside the box, gold stars.
I'll stick with lonely single player.
At least if things get destroyed, it'll be because of me.
Real
Creepers:
@@IKER1000sYT those little guys pop in ever now and again on me, but generally my base is littered with torches and lanterns.
@@XYGamingRemedyG Endermen:
@@fnige oh man, I have to do occasional dirt block removals all the time. Those punks just leave them all over the place-except one:
It teleported into my sugar cane farm and never leaves. I've named him Phil
“Nothing built can last forever”
You didn't have to hit me with that story mode nostalgia 😔
Errrrrmmmmm, ACTUALLY, it's "nothing built CAN last forever" 🤓🤓
@@CDZ1309 pp
"Ivor, NO!"
Right? Those two towers thought they would last a little bit longer.
Notch: Then Don't Grief 🗿
The entire griefing controversy really started when griefers started invading private servers of non griefers
I don't think notch and his 2 billion dollars really count as mojang anymore
I think he just uses notch because it’s so recognisable but it’s still fake and lie?
That's true but it does makes sense to talk about him if you talk about the old mincraft like he did at the start
but like the other guy that was showed does
As someone who was part of that old culture where we were the ones who discovered lava-casting, and made one of the original slime block based greafing machine. I kinda feel ashamed. I know that many people independently discovered all of this, but we all have our part to play in what we have made.
the context of that Team Avo clip used through the video makes griefing feel like a worthy endeavor. they tore down this guys house and turned it into a nature reserve. it's one thing to TNT and be done, it's another to completely reshape that part of the world into something entirely different.
Truly the worse crime of team avo, Destroying a guys house
I remember the days where you had to make TNT cannons to raid people on factions servers. Good times
Ah, imagine how cool it would've been if you actually had to put in some CREATIVE effort to grief and not just abuse glitches/hacks
Man these days all faction servers devolved into pay to win
Griefers don't survive on their own, they need other creative players builds to destroy in order to do something. They are parasites that subsist on the enjoyment of destroying what others have poured hours into. That doesn't mean they are wrong or don't have a place. What does a griefer do when they have nobodies build to destroy? I could see the people who grief probably not enjoying minecraft all that much when they don't get to destroy stuff.
"It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one."
"They are parasites that subsist on the enjoyment of destroying what others have poured hours into."
No, we just want to have some fun. Nothing more complex than that.
true grifers need builders but builders dont need greifers
a lot of it is internalized spite. most of these people are pretty much losers in real life. They hate everything, everyone. The enjoyment of destroying other peoples stuff (since they cant destroy the person, though they absolutely would if they could), comes from sort of taking them down a peg or 2. By destroying their creations, they feel in control and powerful, if not just for a moment, and for that moment, the societal playing field is levelled.
Its really sad, more than anything. behind the griefer is a person with few skills, poor social skills, who is resentful and spiteful of the society around them, that they feel doesnt care about them.
But at the end of the day, who cares, they are losers, and thats the natural order of things.
It’s just a game if you’re really that upset that someone destroyed your build then you need to take a break from video games
@@rejectsatanism4617 yeah and if you are homeless then work and buy a home
I don’t really understand how they’d prevent griefing in the first place. People will find a way to bypass anything, and unless there was some dystopian 1984 style system to ban people from the game who are misbehaving, it’s probably best mojang doesn’t even try and leaves it to the server level.
Well, if notch went through with his land claim flag idea, it would have significantly helped at least
I'm suggesting a "building fatigue" potion effect that adds a cooldown to placing blocks in the trial chambers/near bases that doesn't really help as people can just bonemeal megatrees and lava cast the tri-state area
@@user-xh4xg1jf8c i have no idea what you are trying to say, you're suggesting an idea and contradicting it in the same comment
@@donutstudios6353 I'm suggesting an improvement and stating the limits of said improvement...
You could probably prevent most griefing with mods that negate or reverse what the griefers are trying to do.
For example Knarfy has a video demonstrating a mod that makes it so when a player or a mob attacks someone or something else it kicks the damage onto the attacker instead.
There are mods that allow players to form groups and claim chunks in the name of the group and then disallow anyone not in the group from right or left clicking in that chunk.
I think if someone comes up with a mod that either completely disables lava casting on a server or limits it to certain y levels and enough servers implemented it that would eliminate the current trend of lava cast griefing.
how to fix greifing in a few simple steps
1. remove all explosives
2. remove the ability to break blocks
3. remove lava and water
4. remove multiplayer
5. delete the game
6.- Remove the world
7. Microsoft
yes, please remove multiplayer-
8.Remove player's life.
Crazy to me why some people would destroy beautiful mega-build bases, works of art. I get why, but I just could never.
Half of this comment section is like "oh griefing is actually a good thing", and that is just sad; this means that a huge amount of people actually supports destroying what somebody spent hours, maybe even days of hard work on for mere minutes of their own enjoyment. And if that's what the view on the situation is for a large part of the community then I'm very much happy I only play on private servers with only my closest friends.
yeah, why would i care about random people online??
for the most part, players who play on online servers should know what you are getting yourself into and what risks come with it. Griefing is inevitable and anything worth keeping should and must stay in private servers
@@the-bv2lkfr
@@axiom3570the problem is that griefers are invading private servers
@@the-bv2lkah yes, the "main character syndrome", aka narcissistic disorder. Seek mental help, you jerk
I wish there was an upkeep mechanic to prevent active bases from getting griefed.
Having to use plugins and commands is not intuitive and doesn’t feel vanilla, along with being able to lock chests or wooden doors.
they wont add that because its a sandbox. if your base gets griefed then idk what you expected. dont build elaborate bases on a server without rules/plugins.
@@atomicaxiom7573 It’s impossible to protect a base in a server without plugins. That’s the issue I’m referring to. Elaborate or not, as soon as someone finds the base, it can be destroyed within minutes, even if the server has rules.
@@TheRealToaster2 impossible? what about prisons? and like you said, if someone finds it, it can be destroyed. so hide the base somewhere like at build limit or underground
@@atomicaxiom7573 That’s just it, you need to hide your base. What if you don’t want to travel a long distance and live underground? What if you want to live around other players? Minecraft on its own without plugins doesn’t support player civilizations. If there was a city with 100 players, no matter how well they build things or try to protect it, if there is no land claims, it only takes one player to ruin everything.
I think it would be a good idea for there to be a vanilla mechanic that makes griefing more difficult or slows it down to where the griefer can be stopped without the use of plugins or commands.
I just recently learned about factions in Minecraft, and it fits what I want pretty well, so I think it would be cool to have something like that in vanilla but using blocks, items, or structures to protect land instead of commands.
@@TheRealToaster2 the grinder can already be stopped. As long as there are people in the base, they probably have pretty good gear and then it’s just a 2v1 / 3v1. And yes the base can be damaged still but you can repair the base. I think area claims in vanilla would make it feel kinda weird and also babyfied. But I respect ur opinion 🥄
Ever since I saw the tweet from Notch saying, "Then don't Grief," gives off a neutral tone. Which made me think Mojang just don't really care at all about griefing so long as it doesn't mean to harass, stalk, dox, or support known historical and currently known hate groups in real life.
After all, like kingbdogz said in 11:32 ;
"We never prevent players from being jerks in Minecraft - it's a sandbox afterall." - kingbdogz
Him saying "it's a sandbox afterall" just deepens my perspective of the game is that everything is made and built within Minecraft is crafted only by the players themselves. Us. The stories we make, adventures, friendships, connections, communications, and many other things I cannot name for there is too many.
What we do in the game is what MAKES Minecraft fun. If you aren't having fun, then you aren't making it fun for yourself as it is a *Sandbox* game where you are free to do anything you will in the world you created for yourself or the community in Minecraft. Be it through adding mods, making mods, building creations and allowing others to be inspired by it.
You create memories for yourself, or you share it with others around you. This is Minecraft.
it's definitely a "read the room" situation. you should know whether or not the server you play on allows griefing, and if it does and that bothers you then leave. there are alternatives out there for you with grief protection. granted that doesnt even take into consideration the nuances of anarchy/semi anarchy communities, most people dont just indiscriminately grief other players.
I actually thought that him saying that was surprising becuase I thought he would be more neutral towards it. Like they get banned for griefing so it’s obvious that mojang is against it despite what they said and notch is saying they got what they deserved. Like yeah I think notch is the type of person to say your actions have consequences which does line up with what he said but I also think that he would say it’s up to the server owner to ban them which kingbdogs said too but someone at mojang disagreed obviously and that’s why I found it surprising for notch to say that too
I mean personally I don’t like griefing or the 5th column but still I don’t know if they were fairly banned since minecraft is the game where “no one can tell you what you can or cannot do” and then they tell you what you can and cannot do
@@zacvh they already shown their reason of ban from 10:50 . Apparently, whatever the user did, the offensive was abusive and harmful enough towards someone or some group. For what specifically? We will never know. Just that it was enough to "hurt" someone or some group.
Though it is pretty clear from this video talking about it, points to Mojang being neutral and don't really care about people griefing as it is part of the game since the freedom to do so is there from the start. Rules are set to help create a sense of safe and comfortable environment in the Minecraft community. But it doesn't mean people can and will follow it every time... people can lie about agreeing to rules too. Just to do acts in the server of their own personal benefits at the cost of others.
I do like to dive into why orsondmc's account was suspended. Just as of now, I looked through their twitter and their pinned tweet was mentioning notch and telling the kind of servers they grief with an attached image of a hate symbol within the said kinds of servers. I do question whether if their level of griefing is justified. Not that hate groups shouldn't be griefed for what they believe in, but for how far the griefers are willing to go to harass people to the point of suicide. No matter who it is. It morally isn't right to harass people to that point even if they believe in a hate group.
its just game. not that deep.
i have planted 14 pounds of dynamite in a tacobell
the 14 pounds of dynamite in question are just their food
That dynamite isnt gonna be the only thing exploding in there
So that’s why I saw a bunch of dynamite in their toilets.
Just because you had explosive diarrhea after chugging taco bell doesn’t make it dynamite
I dont need the dynamite
I really don't like griefers, be that in Minecraft or other games. All they serve to do is ruin the game for others.
Griefers also just so happen to be some of the most annoyingly persistent people out there. Anything done to try and get rid of them, they'll either find a way to bypass it, or even turn it against you. This is what you get when a manchild who never grew out of kicking over kids sand castles over has too much time and nothing better to do.
With just how extreme and malicious griefing is now, it just becomes a mental and emotional drain to have to deal with persistent and beligerent trolls n' griefers when all you want to do is have fun. It eventually makes you quit the game just to avoid having insults thrown your way or being targeted and bullied in game. And even then some griefers who are *especially* malicious follow you outside of the game to spam you with abusive messages, saying awful things to you that just drain you even more. And good luck blocking the guy, 'cause they have like 50 more accounts to continue harassing you after ye try to get rid of them.
At what point does griefing go from being a harmless n' simple prank in a game to actually malicious harassment and threats?
>calls griefers man child
>throws a tantrum online
Solution is to play on private servers with trusted friends
@@axiom3570griefers are invading private servers
@@axiom3570 And the griefers get on anyway.
@@axiom3570ah yes, locking yourself out of a big part of the game just because there's that one basement dweller who doesn't like you in particular just because you live in less of a misery than them. Perfect
@@BLET_55artem55 nothing you can do about it unless you can magically purge every single griefer and hacked client out there, so just because the solution does not appeal to you does not invalidate it
Random friend trolling each other: fine
Hackers like Fifth Column: perms-ban
It’s not a “griefer vs business” problem it’s “a55holes vs normal people” problem. The only thing the report feature should do is to ban griefers and trolls
video starts at 9:54 ; the rest is a debrief / history
Someone at my school recently started a server and I spent like 50 hours on just my base and they sweared they wouldnt grief or steal but they did causing the server going to anarchy and everyone’s base being destroyed
Sounds fun
Honestly that's exactly how I would imagine any server for school friends/classmates would go.
Thats the fun. If they find your base and want to destroy it then they will. But you can travel very far and hide your base, get geared up and beat their ass. The problem with newer players like you is that if there's any mild inconviniece you will just keep bitching about it. So how about you do something?
yep@@imdobbergd
L.
Minecraft is now becoming "The purge" but a kids game
Considering they banned fifth column members probably not
Edit : Turns out hacking is the big no no, so keep it vanilla boys
they also banned me 💯
They were hackers not griefers, there's a big difference
@@TheDuperTrooperhello juuper truuper
@@TheDuperTrooper rip gone but never forgotten 🤫 🧏♂️
It’s fifth column 💀
person: *griefs the base I spent hours making*
Me: really dude
Person: *kills pets*
Me: so you have chosen… death
Killing (or stealing) pets crosses the line.
“be sure to subscribe or I’ll grief your bed in real life” 💀5:04
I've never enjoyed large multiplayer survival servers, the insane griefing or alternatively the insane lack of griefing always makes public survival servers boring one way or another. It's why I only play private survival. You'll never catch me playing survival with people I don't know, it's just an awful time...
Yeah there's no in between anymore. It sucks, the trolly small-scale/slow kind of griefing was legitimately fun, especially if you did it while the builder was there and trying to fight you off. Now it's all just tnt, withers and lava casts, super boring
beware of server seekers
@@LilacMonarchagree, small pranks is what makes friendships enjoyable. But nowadays it seems like nobody has the brain capabilities to make them. The most creative griefing now is just annihilating the server's data
The reason that your peaceful server is less popular than your violent one, could just be that it's newer. And your original audience of hardcore minecrafters just don't want to play on it.
I really don't see the appeal in griefing. Like what is the urge to ruin stuff others worked on?
its fun
@@progfoxI think 50 50 unless sever can greifing allowed or factions (cause on some level grief faction base) sever or anarchy. That greifing be allowed but if fall under those things I say no on greifing but falls under those people still complain. Know what singing up for
@@monkeyjames9285 wtf flavor of english is this
@@progfox tired typing fast and just suck at spelling grammar in school was in spiceal ed
@@monkeyjames9285 unsurprising
2 Ideas to balance TNT and lavacasts: 1:Obsidian Plating: Vertical line of 3 obsidian for 30 plating, transparent, only plates connected blocks, but strong and blastproof 2: Cobblewrecker: a tool that can veinmine cobblestone, but only cobblestone. probably made with 2 breeze rods, 2 netherite ingots, and a heavy core.
This is why most of my Creative-mode builds have TNT-explosions turned off. I just don't trust people around my builds.
An anti greifing plugin having a backdoor in it is a little bit ironic
Honestly, I just believe griefers are genuinely just bad people. They care nothing for the efforts or what matters to others, griefing is an entirely selfish act.
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this sneaky little sneaker takes the entire video to promote his server before briefly touches base on what the video title is actually about, and in doing so completely contradicts it. its funny to see how weak minded some viewers are: "oh my favirit yewtuber said mojanjg wants peopl to grief so ofc its true"
themisterepic moment
he needs money
@@apache937 Then he should get a normal job lmao
@@cessna19b What if you didn't tell people how to live their life? If you don't like the content, leave.
@@Zonic3451 The same can be said to you. If you're in denial and don't like this comment, why reply? And no, I'm not brokering a response.
I like the addition of team avolition breaking stuff in the background
Bro plugged his server probably 50 times in this video, damm bro we get it
Fr I was like why is he advertising that you can grief his server 😭😭😭 he’s asking for it at this point
Video starts at 10:34
right? goddamn.
right nobody cares abt that trash tbh
Its his downfall to becoming those clout chasing youtubers that plug their stuff more than the actual video content. Bro made a 12 min video on 4 tweets which could easily be covered in a short.
I feel that non greifing servers are better just because you keep a history in that server and can tell a visible story and not a story based on people associated with the base before it becoming unrecognizable
In my opinion, they should add some redstone blocks that make griefing difficult, that way you can stop players from griefing easily, turning it into a battle of intelligence
i wouldn't be surprised if someone came up with a Redstone based counter within the week, let alone other workarounds but i like the idea.
One idea I had which moding idea but could maybe work structures. Use block Conor blocks then scans entire base upwards to sky limit unless set something above it say anchor then. Save builds when someone greifs it just get all stuff rebuild again. Then pull item auto build it. So still semi intelligent. Takes resources force people think outside box
Definitely would be funny to have some security stuff that makes it harder to grief but not impossible. Makes things more interesting without completely taking away the choice from server owners
If you're waiting for Mojang to do something so groundbreaking as that, while also maintaining "vanilla" aspects, might as well lay in a coffin ⚰️
@@ecogreen123 thats the point, it would result in an “arms race” between redstone base defenses, and anti defense things.
love these types of videos
I love your content also the house you showed at 9mins on the video i had been to and may or may not have tryed robing the house for myself
Grief is life.. Grief is love.. Grief is forever..
I sometimes troll friends. nothing major or destroying their stuff. stuff that is mildly annoying or moving items from their chests somewhere nearby. current server I'm on, holding onto a curse of binding book to stick on a pumpkin. keep inventory is disabled so not really an issue if someone gets stuck with it. been wanting to use a map and a banner to send someone on a long trip to get their stuff back, mark the location with the banner on the map. leave map in their base with a sign explaining things.
How TF did I guess that you were planning on sending them on treasure hunt for their loot before reading the whole comment?..
@@BLET_55artem55 because you've wanted to do the same thing.
@@MrGalzraVoid and honestly, I'd do it, if I just had any friends...
Can you guys comment after watching the video? You’re essentially commenting completely unrelated nonsense.
The irony is insane
One of the scariest things thats happened on my server was a random bot joined letting me know it wasnt whitelisted. i turned whitelist on but i wonder how many servers have been destroyed from people scanning ips and griefing.
When I played your server and saw that lava cast wall I was amazed... it gave spawn a surreal sort of menacing atmosphere...
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction" - Pablo Picasso
I would still like a “land claim flag”
Griefers tend to use far more bot accounts than non griefers too. So this artificially inflates the population of griefing servers.
Simple solution: obsidian house with guardian
What goes up, must come down.
o7 for 5C
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5C ON TOP
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People who grief are absolute scumbags.
Yes
only people who grief on private servers they shouldn't be in or servers where griefing isn't allowed are scumbags. if it's on a server where griefing is allowed and the griefer is supposed to be able to join, then griefers aren't scumbags. before you join a server and build something amazing, you should know what you're getting into.
This is obviously a kid typing this but Minecraft at the end of the day isn’t that important so if someone griefs you in Minecraft it’s not really that big a deal than if someone came and broke all your stuff in real life then it is a real crime. Like you gotta ask yourself who is the bigger scum is it a minecraft griefer or a kkk member because by calling them scumbag you are basically comparing those two types of people and it just ain’t adding up for us in the adult world since we know about the worse half
skill issue get better
@@zacvh What the fuck does the KKK have to do with any of this? Oh, and by the way, someone put a lot of time and effort into that build, and to have some retarded little child come along and destroy it because they have no creative ability of their own is bullshit. Oh and I'm not a "kid." You're obviously the child here trying to justify being an asshole.
the griefing that's fine is covering someone's house with vines so it grows and covers their house.
Equivalent of throwing toilet paper rolls at some guys house lol
@@Electric0eye LITERALLY
As a person who joined your server, I hadn't even realised that the survival smp was the griefing one and got so dang confused that I just left.
I though that the rpg server was some random extremely non vanilla thing so I didn't even think about it.
(You were also on at the time lol)
go 2b2t
I completely agree, it sucks when people grief public places or grief every little thing that they come across. I play anarchy and I can confidently say that there are a actually a lot of people would also agree. Just look at all the highway builders. Griefing is a powerful weapon, and thus should never be used indiscriminately. Modern griefs are so dull, always the same tnt, big ugly lavacast, and some renamed withers. I miss the days when me and the boys could just get up to some trolling shagginess, flood a base with mobs, put the whole base under water, make all the stone blocks silverfish, plaster the base with inappropriate map arts. What has happened to modern griefing? The goal of griefing is not to just nuke everything that you come across, no, it has to be done with purpose and with art. When I grief a base, I don't destroy it, I add to it with my own unique artistic flavor and I feel that people just don't get that nowdays.
also bezopasan told me to say this: 5C ON TOP 🔥
Agree, I'd be happy if someone just came in and built a mountain (and actual decorated one, not just lavacasted) over my base or just put trap statues all over it. It's cool and original. But most of these mfs can only comprehend lavacasting
Ahh, yes, the great wither-ing of pw blazes... despite happening over a month ago, and I and a few others working to purge them, someone found like a dozen stragglers yesterday.
I personally killed like 3 stacks of nether stars worth of withers when counting the stragglers...
Damn, he promoted his “non griefing” server after I told him he didn’t advertise it enough (idk if he saw it)
Sometimes I wonder how greifers feel when the builds they grief get reverted/rolled back/restored. The same way they remove all the builders effort, the builder removes all the griefers effort.
they wouldnt care one bit since they do that shit daily. griefing takes no effort whatsoever whereas building something can take weeks
Oh for fu*k sake. They don't take a stand on griefing because serves can make rules, but lordy fing lue if you dare to use forbidden speech they nuke tour ms account, and explicitly take power away from servers & use active scare messages for servers that block chat reporting...
If that vanilla land claim flag ever became a thing, I wonder how anarchy servers would change.
they could probably just disable them.
forever players have had the ability to place, and destroy blocks is a hard ass quote
I own a Minecraft SMP where the only rule is no hacks/cheats/whatnot and no combat logging.
Griefing is allowed. And I agree with you. Most griefing just tends to be annoying, and players who grief act like it takes skill. Once, I spent 2 months building a sick base, and it got found via a nether highway. The player who found it destroyed it in 30 minutes.
Afterward, he kept on acting like I was terrible at Minecraft because he destroyed my base. And I do not like griefers think what they are doing takes skill. He kept gloating about his "superior skill" and I was "stupid" because my base got griefed while I was offline. (it takes more skill to BUILD a base, especially mine which which was industrial and redstone automated) He put it on his life he wouldn't grief it when he found it, but after it happened he said "fingers crossed?"
This is the kind of griefing that I do not approve of. Especially because it was unprovoked. Griefing can be fun if it is during war and you at least respect your opponent, but this is the kind of thing that upsets me. (He also took every single resource even though he didn't need it, which feels gluttonous in my opinion)
Honestly just ban him
@@BLET_55artem55 no he didn't break any rules
@@donutstudios6353 allowing such a toxic scumbag on a server is not really a smart move, but whatever ig
Griefing is like Minecraft version of US first amendment, *it's literally what Minecraft made for.*
Fr and then people were surprised to find out notch is conservative 😭😭 like he literally made a game about freedom
imo people who like griefing need to get a life and find better things to do with their time. Deriving enjoyment from ruining people's day is petty as heck.
no
only if its on private servers that they shouldn't be on or if griefing is against the rules of a server. if griefing is allowed on a server, people should know what they're getting into before they cry about griefing
@@blizzard_84 well yeah... if its a server that allows griefing then obviously griefing is _allowed._
The problem is people will grief regardless of whether or not its allowed. Some people go out of their way to break the rules just to be a nuisance. THAT'S the kind of griefing that is petty.
@@lasercraft32yeah. those type of people are honestly just annoying.
One time just to try it. I joined the survival Server on life boat. I built a beautiful house by a river. I got a dog and I built another portal and got almost full diamond armor and then I logged out whenever I logged back in. I was on a pressure plate and TNT was all around me. That's not cool, bro.
The griefers hurt the game. Players quit when they lose their progress not good for Mojang’s bottom line. They need to crack down.
Minecraft is ultimately a creative tool, I believe griefers are parasites in every sense of the word. Builders do not need griefers, but griefers need builders. If your only enjoyment out of the game is to take pride in the destruction of other peoples hard work, then you are a bad person. It is like throwing paint over someone's recently completed portrait, just because it exists in the virtual world doesn't make it ok or right. However, Minecraft is a sandbox game and if you want to participate in griefing, take it to a server which allows for that.
This kid sounds like he was bullied in school
I used to go on a server a few years ago, I checked the world map more recently (there is a website of the map for this server) and I found that the town that I owned eventually got unclaimed and on the map it looks like it’s entirely gone. Idk if it’s got lava cobble mountains or just blown up with tnt but it’s still sad to see cause I wasn’t the only person that liked that town and what others and I built there.
I don’t know why this is a surprise. The concept of Minecraft revolves around doing anything and being creative. This includes destroying other structures
The problem is that destruction here only brings twisted sick joy via the realisation of ruining someone's efforts. The process itself is just boring and repetitive(aka cheat/blow up/spam withers and/or lavacasts), there is no creativity in that anymore
Making people feel bad for griefing them is like being the jerk who goes around the beach kicking castles, there is a time for everything, griefing is just toxic, atleast is good that a lot of people agree and we make areas where is allowed so there is a time and place for anything
5:38 I thought he was goin to rap with the music
edit: he was rappin
“My strength is not in steel and fire, that is what the parasites will never understand. A season for all things! A time to live and a time to die, a time to build... and a time to destroy!” - Andrew Ryan
this whole video is just an ad for a shit server damn that cringe
Lmao it’s definitely not he just took the opportunity to promote it since its his
In general, I believe that griefing is wrong except in a server where it is within the guidelines set by staff. People should be able to feel safe on servers they specifically chose to avoid griefers and griefers can play with each other and those who enjoy the thrill of surviving in an environment with hostile players.
If griefers aren't just griefing other griefers - which they're not - then they're actively ruining other peoples experiences, people who don't want to grief others.
Blows my mind how accepted bullying is online. I understand it but I will never be okay with it.
Perfect take, you share the same sentiment as me.@@DunnoJustLuckyIGuess
I'd say that griefind isn't an issue as it really is part of minecraft, but in non-anarchy servers, griefind while using hacks or automated tools is pretty harmful
I mean, the lava casting mountains _do_ look kinda cool.
i love griefing
Why did you put Notch in the thumbnail? Of all people you put a non-Mojang employee who got cancelled by Mojang themselves and Twitter.
Because he is the original developer of Minecraft
Why not? the creator himself can't have Opinion on what people do with his Creations?
Cancelled for what exactly? Oh i remember now, something taht doesn't exist yeah?
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad The point is that this is a stupid trend of thumbnails where content creators make up a tweet / comment for clickbait, but here not only did Notch *not* make that tweet, he's also not the one who would make the tweet with authority on the matter...
This is why when i want to plat without landclauim, i just play with friends
I'm actually okay with the concept of griefing, generally. I am *NOT* okay with exploiting unintended mechanics, using external programs, etc.
notch isnt mojang anymore. his word is not mojangs
We know but we also wanna know how the game was intended originally 😭 and then we can compare it to how they are running it nowadays
@@zacvhMaybe if literally anyone cares about his opinion
@@Electric0eye if it’s about Minecraft then probably everyone should because he made the game he knows why he made it the way that he did.
Griefing is the reason Multiplayer doesn't exist in commercial games like Cities: Skylines or SimCity, but they do in non-commercial like OpenRCT2, because you can also just play it with friends only and not have griefer issues if you don't like it.
I’m sorry but there absolutely was multiplayer in sim city, the last true sim city game sim city 2013 had always online multiplayer
Not true, the c:s devs themselves mentioned why they didn't want to add multiplayer in an interview, it has nothing to do with griefers.
@@Wileybot2004Simcity 2000 had network edition and Simcity 4 has a fanmade multiplayer system where people play different city tiles in the same big region
I suspect that part of the reason why most of the players on your server support greifing is that for most of it's history, you advertised it as a server with greifing enabled.
I do not blame griefers, it is fun destroying things. It's the same as your little brother destroying your lego tower.
However, the victim side, if your little brother did break your lego tower, it would make you feel very bad.
So, in the end, you'd need a solution that allows satisfying destruction, but also allow massive builds being safe from destruction.
Destroying a village generated by Minecraft is fun the first time, but may get old.
You could make a *mirror dimension* that copies all structures built by players over and allow people to grief it. Would be technically quite a challenge, but maybe an interesting idea.
CEO of clickbait thumbnails
Lol in an ideal world I would have titled it "let's discuss the history of Minecraft griefing, and why it has become problematic in newer age Minecraft", but that doesn't work on RUclips
@@TheMisterEpic talking about the thumbnail though, not only inventing a tweet but attributing it to someone who's not involved... This is a terrible trend.
@@mkjjoeever heard of "advertisements"
@@BLET_55artem55 what does that have to do with my remark?
griefing is is for 5yo fetuses.
I don't think you understand what a fetus is
They were obviously being sarcastic, are you acoustic? @@skyera1n
@@SalvationSymphony spell much? Calm down son
This whole video is an ad for his server lol
A server I play called survivalmp allows griefing but nothing has happened to the spawn. Also it rotates seasons so the map doesn't have a problem anyways giving no incentive for large craters and lavacasts as well as rtp being a thing you will not have lava walls around spawn. So its very nice
I like how this video is basically clickbait, initially. Notch hasn't been involved in _Minecraft_ since, what, 2014? Yet, people continue to site him and bother him about it.
That said, this video _is_ useful and informative, talking about griefing its history. So.
Griefing is a part of Minecraft. It's a sandbox game.
Not outright preventing and "supporting" are two entirely different things. The sensationalist headline somewhat devalues the good discourse this video provides.
0:33 Just because there isn't protection systems in place doesn't mean griefing is intended purpose, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, by same logic just because car tires are not armored and can be penetrated by sharp object doesn't mean it's free to make holes in them, that's just stupid.
I do think griefing belongs in the game, but it's clearly unbalanced the way it is now. In the vanilla game, without any plugins or mods, it is simply too easy to grief and too hard to prevent griefing. Perhaps some mechanic could be put into the vanilla game that acts like a soft version of land claims; maybe a new drop could be given to the Elder Guardian, and when hooked up to a Sculk Sensor would give any players that aren't whitelisted by the sensor Mining Fatigue V, and would prevent them from placing liquids while under that effect.
I think yo ca place 2 stairs facing each other as walls and water log them. However this means it would have to be 2 blocks thick and easier to break. I've been thinking about building a castle wall like this. No explosives getting through.