Huge Cater-wash 18Kg Industrial Washing Machine - Bargain Or bust? | Can I Fix It?
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- My wife saw an industrial 18Kg Washing Machine on Facebook for spares or repair. It was £100 and they normally cost over 10x that, but was it a bargain or did it turn out to be a bust? Let's have a look and see if it's repairable and find out!
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I thought £500 to repair sounded a bit steep at first but when you said what you spent on parts it actually seemed very reasonable. Still more fun fixing it yourself.
Yes, I thought it was expensive at first, but I'm not sure if they knew the outer drum was badly damaged (I certainly didn't).
The amount of labour involved in getting to the parts needing replaced almost justifies the £500 repair estimate...
I wouldn't be surprised if that £500 quote was made before the bearings got that bad that it split the tub, and the owner decided to run it into the ground instead of repairing it, so kept using it until it dumped all the water on the floor. We had the manufacturer's repair service change the bearings on our previous machine when it was 13 months old, the repairman split the tub and replaced the entire rear half, didn't even bother to remove and reuse the perfectly good drum. Probably did that to save his time and bashing out bearings etc on site, not that I'm complaining since we were only changed call our and labour.
@@mels8966 I've been told some domestic washing machines have the bearings moulded into the outer drum so you have to replace the whole drum if a bearing goes.
Your hypothesis sounds quite reasonable and I've been thinking about doing the same if my washing machine (16 years old at the moment) ever gives me any trouble. We tried getting the shocks replaced in my gran's late-80s Siemens washing machine last year and that turned into an ordeal that stretched over several months ending up with loads of money spent on a machine that's more broken than when the repair man started. Now the front no longer quite fits, the selector knob is hard to turn and - worst of all - the tach gen inside the motor is broken. The company sent another guy who did his best to fix the machine (while spending half the time on the phone trying to babysit the other technician on one of his repairs, culminating in the comment: "I can't repair _every_ machine for you!"). He diagnosed the broken motor and promised to look for a used spare, as a new motor would cost 230 Euros. He never followed up on that promise though so we've had a broken machine sitting around for the best part of a year now. We don't need it that badly because it was only for the holiday home but still very annoying.
I've 6 kids. A washer like this bought and repaired for that price would be a dream. Well done
Thank you 👍
Don't get the replacement bearings with steal shield, get the same bearings but after the number don't get suffice "Z" get them with the same number ending in 2RS that means two rubber seal not steal so will last longer. got to E spares they are great and have a vast quantity on bearings and seal to suit all types of washers. It is also suggested that as the drum has been split that a bead of silicone sealant is used to help seal the two halves if a new drum seal is not to be used.
Thanks for the advice. I just replaced like for like but used SKF bearings, but I'll bear that in mind if I ever need to replace them in the future!
@@BuyitFixit SKF are very good.
That's great advice!
I was very surprised to see the "Z" shielded bearings from the factory. I would have surely thought 2RS rubber sealed would have been better? I mean speed is not a factor here...
I recently uploaded a video talking about this very thing working on a 58V ECHO string trimmer motor.
@@ThriftyToolShed ZZ bearings used because they have lower rolling loss over 2RS bearings. However I almost always, when replacing bearings that are in pairs, will strip out the inner seal, either Z or RS, and wash the factory grease out, then replace it with a synthetic grease instead, and pack the space between then so it has a coating of grease on the walls, so it is, when assembled, half grease half air. With this only the front bearing would be RS, the rear one needs to be open, to allow for expansion of the air as it heats up, as otherwise you will pop out that inner seal with time, as the air volume will be unable to escape, and when it cools off it will suck water through. Shaft clearance will allow it to equalise with the inner volume, and then with the outside through the dust seal on the rear one, but will not easily allow water through that small capillary space.
This bearing set failed as the factory grease fill was either inadequate quality wise, or was too little, to reduce rolling friction, and this then allowed the bearings to run dry, and wear the inner and outer races, along with the balls. Then clearance allowed the seal to slowly start bypassing water, making rust, and making this wear rapidly increase.
I am very impressed. I would not have touched this with a 10-meter pole. Too many parts to forget where they came from lol
Cheers Fred 👍
Take photos as you go.
Nicely done, When the bearings get that bad it is always a dirty job to get it apart and back together again. It was a very clean machine, didn't look too old, so I wonder why it went bad. As for the quoted repair price of £500 that you mentioned at the start, doesn't sound too bad if you count in the price of the tub front. I have seen an lg with the donut motor running with the drum completely collapsed and cut through the tub leaking out on the element and still working. Failed only because it couldn't fill as all the water was running out the front! Well done.
@@bootsowen Cheers Owen 👍
I suspect it would been more like 700 for repairs once found the cracked front bit broken
Went bad due to poor quality bearings. Planned obsolescence.
@@WayneJohnsonZastil My guess is the owner got that quote before it got that bad and decided they didn't want to spend that much on it. So carried on using it despite the noise it would have made, until the bearings were completely destroyed and it finally dumped water on their floor.
Great repair!
Please do more of these "household" appliances repairs.
Now your wife can wash all your duvets in one go.
@@ShadowKrutshov Thanks, I wasn't sure how well this one would do as I usually do a lot more smaller or complicated repairs, but the comments seem to be positive and it's had quite a few views so far 👍I'll see what comes my way... 🙂
@@BuyitFixitVariation is good.
Living in an apartment with common/central laundry room I've not had cause to dig into washers/dryers, but always enjoy seeing/learning new stuff)
Excellent video, thank you. Could you imagine the racket when this machine entered the spin cycle? Walking around the laundry room till the safety shut off kicked in sheeesh!
We had a 20-year-old Speed Queen washer. Mostly commercial machines, only a few home use models. The bearing fix quote was around 750 dollars. I looked the repair up and decided to fix it myself. Seems Speed Queen requires a special "Speed Queen" puller to extract the rear bearings and workings. My friend has a huge auto shop and every tool known to mankind. He looked and looked. Scratched his head and noted it looked like it needed some kinda special puller. The shop where we purchased the machine actually used a company that services commercial laundromat machines.
Soooooo, the 20 year old Speed Queen moved away (Recycled) in favor of a new Maytag/Whirlpool light commercial top loader. Amazing washer but my wife and I miss our heavy-duty Speed Queen.
Thanks 👍Yes I can imagine the noise from this would have been horrendous! I'm pretty dismayed that the original owners ran it for so long and let it get this bad. Surely they would have thought there's something not right with this? Personally I would have tried to fabricate some kind of device to pull the bearing (but that's just me). I've had to get creative quite a few times. Even if you had to weld something onto the old bearing to remove it.. 🙂
@@BuyitFixit As someone else said, they might have gotten a quote and then decided to run the machine into the ground instead of having it fixed. Apart from the risk of water damage that's precisely what I might do.
@@BuyitFixit If you're planning on getting rid of it anyway, why *wouldn't* you run a broken machine until it stops working?
Wow so lucky it's a split drum, so easy to replace bearing.
Most washing machines now have sealed drums making it almost impossible to change.
Currently have a 12kg Samsung machine just under a year old and drum bearing has gone, luckily its under warranty!
Great video, love your channel 👍
If it's a sealed drum just cut it along the plastic weld joint with a multitool or jigsaw. Replace the bearings and then drill and bolt both the halves back together with a good splodge of silicon sealer between the halves. Did ours 6 months ago and been fine ever since.
@@PhilJennings Silicone doesn't stick to plastic very well, you should use a polyurethane sealant.
Thanks 👍I'd not heard of sealed drums. That should be illegal it makes repairing the machine virtually impossible as you say.
The problem is as the years have gone on the manufactures have used smaller and smaller bearings and these don’t last as long, back in the 80’s when I delt with domestic appliances the bearings were much bigger🙄 and as mentioned drums are now ultra-sonically welded together you’re not supposed to changed failed bearings but buy a new drum/case assembly ££££’s
@@dublindave5795 Sika makes some that will stick to clean plastic really well, the instructions say that wet you can remove it with a solvent coated cloth, but after cure the only way to remove is with a grinder.
I love your channel. I was particularly intrigued by this one. I’m a 30 year master technician in America. Generally this would be a condemned product in the USA due to cost, but it’s nice that you are able to show people these things can be repaired with effort. Keep producing great content. You’re one of my favorite subscriptions!
Thank you very much! Really appreciate the feedback! I just do this as a hobby (or to save money as in this case). I've always fixed stuff as it's always interested me how things work, and I find it like a puzzle / challenge to figure out what's wrong or how something comes apart 🙂
@ I also repair electronics at home and repair watches. It gives me great pleasure to know others are like me in trying to salvage products. Again, I love your content.
@@BuyitFixit You're an accountant by day, right? 😉
50 + years fixing machines industrial washers dryers. Good job well done 👏.
Well done. Previous owner must have heard the bearings start to go then just decided to use it until it broke completely. My last home machine had a sealed outer drum. When it's bearings went noisy it was impossible to do anything with. Modern sealed drum units are stupid penny pinching by manufacturers with no thought about waste and landfill.
This is likely a commercial unit, operated until it literally fell apart.
Thanks Mike. That sucks. A few people have mentioned about these "sealed drums" I've not came across that before, but agree. Things like that should be made illegal as it hugely impacts the repairability of the device.
Hopefully right to repair will put an end to this nonsense. Having to buy a brand new machine because a bearing fails is not environmentally friendly
I know the feeling you had when you removed the top and saw the drum was bolted together and not requiring cutting it with a saw and re gluing it back together.
Nice repair dude
Thanks 👍I wasn't aware of those sealed drums until a few people have mentioned it. I've only worked on 2 or 3 washing machines over the years..
those sealed drums are obsolescense built in
Most manufacturers make a welded drum so you can't get to the bearings.
The £500 for a commercial engineer sounds about right. Well done@@BuyitFixit
@ianfraser2009 Thanks Ian 👍I was unaware of them being sealed drums these days until a few people mentioned it. Should be illegal as it makes repair pretty much impossible.
@BuyitFixit it is a disgrace. My washing machine has a sealed Drum. To replace drum it costs over £230. Not worth spending that on a domestic washing machine that is a few years old. You saved yourself money fixing the commercial one. Well done. Have a good evening.
I've repaired a few washing machines in my time but never to the length you went to. I enjoyed this video greatly. I thought it was a goner initially. Another item saved from landfill.
Thanks. Not sure if I would have gone to those lengths for a standard washer (would depend on the quality of it I suppose) but because this one is really large for the UK I wanted to get it working 🙂
I have done this repair on my 10 year old LG, been working great ever since. 2 things though, 1 get a new rubber seal for the tub halves, and 2 there is a special tool to reinstall the door seal spring, makes it easy to reinstall (although it didn't look like you had too much trouble with yours). Nice to see this kind of content from you, very versatile tech!
Thanks very much, and thanks for the tips 👍🙂
mike the magician ! electronicks repair, tractor repair,car repair,washing machine repair, just at end, plane repair ! i hope your wife know she had a treasure at home ! toujours un plaisir de regarder tes videos !
😂😂😂Thanks 👍🙂
Wow!, lots of work here, appreciate your skill and tenacity. Most people would just scrap and replace as is most often these days. Satisfaction of repairing and saving money has to be rewarding in the end. Just think, no capacitor this time...😉 Great fix video and educational as well, thanks bro. See ya next time.
Cheers Terry, yes it it was just a normal sized washer I probably wouldn't have bothered but because it's 2x the size of a normal UK washer it's handy for things like quilts or even "horse rugs" as this is what it was being used for before we got it.
Yeah, I noticed the loose screw about two years ago.😁 That's one heck of a deal, and the bonus of knowing the internals if an issue ever arises. Another repair, well done.
Thanks Robert 👍🙂
Thanks for bringing us along, Mick!
Cheers Mikey👍
As usual this man can fix everything electronics, generators, washing machines, software related stuff... When i saw on the tittle "bargain or bust" i though for myself there's no way a washing machine defeated this guy, for sure it's a fix... and i was right 😁
😂😂Thanks 👍Although it did highly depends on if the outer drum was available. Sometimes it's not down to "if you can repair" it's down to "if parts are available".
@@BuyitFixit naa.. even without parts I'm sure you was pulling out some 3D printer and make your own drum! 😂
I do admire you for tackling such massive machine fix. I know I replaced the bearings on a washing machine we had from new, it was about 10 years old and boy what a job I had removing the bearing from that. It took me 6 hours of pounding with a 3lb mash hammer. I needed the full following day to recover. This was back in 1997. So, very well done, Mick. I must say I was worried for you that the metal drum had gone out of round; with all that banging about. One question though. What on earth will you use an 18Kg machine for? Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks Brian 👍Wife thought it was a good idea as the place that had it used it for washing hose rugs.. and she has a hoses... Also good for washing quilts and other large items that won't fit in a normal washer.
i have a 20kg washer in the us here, and i fill it a ton, theyre very nice for large wash days.
Nice. I thought I might be looking at a similar repair on a unit that was replaced because it “Started making an unbearable squealing noise”. It being neartly 15 years old, the homeowner has a robust idea of having already had their money’s worth, and values some amount of confidence in having new vs. repaired units. I brought it back to my shop to have a look at it, Just Because, and it turned out the main rubber seal had dried somewhat and was the only fault on the unit. I looked at getting a new seal, and new bearings on principle, but a touch of lube quieted the seal, and it’s been working as my own unit for a year now.
Nice also 👍Well done 🙂
I'm so glad my washing is covered with D&G because a few years ago I had an issue with my machine making one hell of a noise I called them up and they sent an engineer out he said the problem was that the machine drum needed replacing so he ordered a new drum and replaced it at no cost to myself because they offer unlimited call outs no labour costs or costs for the parts 👍
Very nice 👍
WOW!!! My hat goes off to you for such an undertaking.
Thanks very much 👍
This has probably been mentioned already in the comments. But you're lucky with that one. Most machines these days have welded sealed outer drums, not allowing you to replace the bearings.
Yes a few people have mentioned that. That should be illegal imho, as it pretty much renders the machine impossible to repair.
I totally agree with you mate @@BuyitFixit
Great fix as always. I can see why the original owner was quoted £500 to fix but a man with your (can do) attitude will always be able to save a few hundred pounds and use what otherwise would’ve been scraped. Good job 👍🏽
Thanks 👍I'm not sure if the original tech would have realised at the amount of damage. I thought it was just the bearings, but I was wrong too!
Well done you've got more patience then i have i wouuld of stripped it for scrap
😂😂😂Thanks 👍
I repaired our top load washer 3 times over a 20 year period (bearings, pump, fill sensor). Replaced it in 2021 and had to replace the pump and main control board already. Better off fixing the older equipment. 👍 Nicely done.
Thanks👍Yes some old kit is built way better than it's modern equivalent. The kitchen aid mixer I looked at on the channel springs to mind. That was 36 years old, and it was in excellent condition. Even though it had been used by a guy who made chocolate for a living! I did a full strip down and re-build and every cog was mint condition and everything was metal. Not a plastic gear in sight! I'm sure it will last another 36 years now...
All of our washing machines and dryers here in North America are that size or larger. The only time we see small units would be for a small apartment and would be hard to find but available. Great repair, many would have given up seeing the issues you found. Keep up with the great repair videos.
Thank you very much 👍Most washers over here are only 7-9Kg. A 10Kg is large. This is pretty much 2x the size of most washers over here in the UK.
@@BuyitFixitI think you might say continental Europe. Fascinating insight into the workings of a washing machine which we take for granted. Dread to think of the cost of a similar repair to Miele machine? Hopefully the engineering and build quality is better.
@@BuyitFixit FYI, it’s untrue that all American machines are this size. Front-loaders in USA are the same or slightly larger than European machines. But it’s the top loaders there that have the huge baskets, since those use way more water and need the clothes to basically float.
Did another repair for my MOT place recently. Bit random, a paper shredder. A fairly big one and the owner had already bought a replacement at around £500. It was apparently dead, but the fault was simply the ON/OFF tactile switch had failed. I bought a selection of 200 switches for £6.50 so the parts cost for the fix was 3.25p...... Like most of us here I suspect, they guy hates the disposable society we live in these days. Probably why he ended up in the car repair business I guess. He was delighted with the fix.
@@chrissavage5966 Nice one 👍Shame he had already bought a new one.
Excellent repair as always. That machine certainly had a hard life and you saved it. Thanks for another excellent video, Mick.
Cheers Bruce 👍I think more "abused" and it was only 18 months old!
@@BuyitFixit Oh wow! I missed that. Yes, it was butchered.
@@BuyitFixit Jaysus... how did the bearings fail THAT fast?!
Wouldn't be surprised if the fixers would have reconsidered their estimate given the damage and replaced the whole unit inner and outer, of course as you say it was probably run into the ground once the quote was offered. Good repair again, if you had charged yourself labour it would not be viable, still you had some fun and a learning exercise and I got to watch an expert at work yet again.
Thanks Chris 👍Yes I'm sure there was a lot more damage than they quoted for.
You're a lot braver than I am on this repair. In my younger years I would've tackled it, but not now, nice job!
Paul, USA!!!
Thanks Paul👍
i am a mechanical field service engineer and i can not believe how intricate a washer machine is. that was incredible well done
Thank you very much! Really appreciated! I'm in the middle of rebuilding a hydraulic transmission on a Kubota RTV900 utility vehicle at the moment. It took me quite a while to figure out how it works even after reading the service manual about 6 times 😂
Great job, I love to see people working out the process as they go along. A great find from Mrs Buy it Fix it
@@ooheaven1459 Thanks mate 👍🙂
We need more mechanical repairs like this, please.
I wasn't sure how well this video would do as I normally do more electronic type repairs. I'm busy rebuilding a hydraulic transmission on a Kubota RTV900. Perhaps I should have made a video on that. It's in 100 bits with the axle off at the moment...
Yes, mechanics repairs. It's great! @BuyitFixit
@@BuyitFixit PERFECT!
I did the same repair on my Samsung washer and I used lots of grease between the rubber seal and the bearing. That’s what caused the failure is water on the bearing so I put grease as an additional barrier between the rubber seal and the bearing and it never failed again.
Nice 👍Thanks for sharing 🙂
I had an Electrolux washer for many years that used to rot out the drum spider due to the hard water we have here. I got pretty good at replacing the inner drum (couldn't just buy the spider) until they finally quit making the parts. I still have two drums which I've repurposed into backyard fire places.
Shame. I've also repurposed a couple of old washers in the past into fire pits 🙂👍
WoW surely, they could have heard that the machine was failing and removed it from service before all that damage was done. Wisth that said you did an amazing job with this repair and saved another item from the scrap bin. Thank you sir.
Most likely whoever was in charge of the restaurant or hotel or whatever didn’t spend time in the laundry room, and the people who did weren't paid to diagnose faults.
Thanks 👍
I think it was in use at a small farm, and they used it for washing horse rugs. Agree the noise must have been horrendous and they surely must have known something wasn't right...
Good dissamblly, I used to tinker with old zanussi lasted good on 30 years. Never went as far as taking drum out so hats off to ya mick Stirling work as always.
Cheers mate 👍
Good job 👏
It's good to see a washing machine with a 2 piece outer drum. So many domestic ones are now a one piece, throw away units
Thanks 👍Yes I was unaware that a lot of machines now come with sealed drums! That should be illegal as it grossly affects the repairability of the machine to save a few pennies on some screws and a seal...
Good job Mick. Mrs Mick will be loving that new machine ( and it saves you buying her a Xmas present 🤣)
My guess is he won't mention that to her.
😂😂😂Thanks 👍I've just got to encourage her to use it now 😂😂😂
Indeed 👍
Why [so] 'one sided', Great Value of Teamwork, and *Gift to us All.* : } i ask, 'will Mick, too?'
Besides bearing info, [i lacked] ... This may help *Courage* to try fixing older washer.^
^ Agitator Coupling [rubber on Metal?] 'unglued', slides, [tho stuck] onto shaft. Failed many Glue attempts. ... using buckets now. haha _Laundry 'day' a bit longer_
@@BuyitFixit Well, you did say that she bought it.
I have done washer bearings a few times. I made an attachment for my hammer drill to remove the old bearings with little effort.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing 👍
This model is practically identical to one I had at home years ago. I think it was a Zanussi. It was a great machine. I've still got the motor around somewhere. (My idea was to use it on a home made belt sander in the shed).
Interesting. Thanks for sharing 👍
I have a front loader that I've had for 20 years. I love them.
I'd say the majority of the washers over here are front loaders. I think the only top loader I've seen in person was an old "Twin Tub" that my mother used to own (when I was a kid). It was like two units in one box. One half for the "washing" and another part for the "spinner". I just tried to find a picture, and it was something a bit like this one: purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b3043494_1
Great video,spent my working life doing these in customer houses,very lucky the old middle tub seal did not leak,I always replaced it with a new one,as its prone to leaking if re-used,just saying!!
@@alanmurphy4402 Thanks, and thanks for sharing. I've not done too many washing machines over the years, probably only the 2nd time I've replaced a set of bearings. A few people mentioned that the new machines have a sealed drum which is plastic welded making them almost impossible to repair 🙁🤬
Great work. Great video with out a bunch of waffling around or unnecessary music. Thanks for the video.
Thanks 👍
Wow, epic amount of work to fix that one! Great job!!! In retrospect I feel like the £500 repair cost would have been fair - but, would they have replaced all the parts you did, I suspect they would have cut corners on the drum and 1 or 2 bearings.
Thanks 👍Yes I think the initial quote was fair due to the damage I found, but I'm not sure if they realised the extent of the damage? There was the front drum, but also the spider that they would have also needed to replace. Luckily I found that stainless ring for another washer so that was a cheaper fix, but I doubt they would have went to that trouble.
There doesn't seem to be much you can't fix Mick, well done 👏
@@Gazzyb2071 Thanks 👍yes I'll have a go at fixing pretty much anything, although my success rate with repairing sheep is rather dismal 🐑😂😂
class repair to watch.. you have the patience of a saint ...but as always very professional in the execution of another successful repair ..
Thanks 👍I'm also not bad with editing, and managed to remove the swearing etc 😂😂
My guess is whoever gave the 500 estimate didn't know the damage to the spider or the tub. So it would have ended up more than the value of the machine, to have the tech do the work. Good job again.
Thanks, yes agree. I either that or they would have just replaced the whole inner / outer drum assembly without all of the messing about. I wasn't expecting it to be so bad, but obviously the original owner just run and run. I bet it made some horrible noises!
@BuyitFixit I've never seen ball bearings destroyed like that. The cage yes,but the balls? Looked like they were made out of lead...lol
Hi
Now you know what we have to go through when we are called out on an appliance repair.
You are in a large space, try changing a drum in a top floor flat that has a tiny kitchen, you have loads of parts with no space to manouver.
OK this is a semi commecial machine which is bigger, but some of the household machines can be harder to work on due to a tighter space inside the machine.
A £500 quote the last owner received seems a touch on the high side, but this depends on the time it takes to complete the repair,
We would have given a quote of £350-£400 (remember we buy spares trade price)
Most households would refuse high repair costs, hopefully buy a new or reconditioned machine from us, we take the old machine away free of charge, recondition it then sell it on.
But thanks for this video it shows that repair prices are high,, customers accuse us of being rip off merchants, this is hard work when you are on your own, plus the clean up job afterwards.
@@raysmancave1 Glad to meet a fellow repairer, even if you do it as a living, it's still good that there's people out there helping people fix their items instead of just discarding them. At least even when they want do to that, you at least try and refurbish the old machine too. Good on you 👍
Brownie points in the Buy it Fix it household. Best kind of repair. Well done.
Thanks very much 👍🙂
That was a fun repair. I still like the old Maytags with the wringer/mangle on the side. Those things break and its an easy fix and damn little to break unless you drop it off a ten story building.
Thanks 👍🙂
Anytime you can save 200 on a repair it's worth it. The guys at work always want to throw away, (sad eyes) electric tools when they don't work when they need. It is such a throw away world these days. BUT! Thankfully guys like us love to repair things and save money doing it. Many times I will be asked to repair something and I do it free of charge because i enjoy the challenge of it. I saved one guy from buying a new Makita drill, hammer drill and saw because the charger was faulty. 1.89 and he was quite pleased.
Nice 👍Yes I volunteer at our local repair cafe, which we help people in the area repair their stuff. I mainly do the electrical / electronic stuff, and there's other people that do sewing (fixing dresses / clothes etc) or woodwork (fixing chairs etc) or mechanical stuff too!
and you better half thought it would just be a bad capacitor. Nice repair.
Thanks 👍😂😂😂😂No she knew it was "bearings" but we were both shocked to the amount of other damage that was also there.
Good job on fixing the machine if you plan on putting it in the house what I have found works really great for cleaning them throw a few dishwashing tablets in there and run it on a full cycle you will be surprised how much crap comes out
Thanks, and thanks for the tip! I've already put it in the utility room in the house and it's done quite a few washes since I recorded this (a few weeks back).
SSDs to washing machines. What a lad!. Subscribed.
😂😂Cheers. Also the odd reverse engineering software too 👍
Tip for those bearings would have been to pack the inner part of the tube with that white grease, so that there is a grease supply that will slump down, and slowly move through those dust seals to lubricate the bearings. Also would remove the inner seal before, so the grease can get in easily, as the reason those bearings fail is the hot water melting the grease, and it all migrating out.
I had an AEG, replaced because it needed the exact same bearings and spider, but the cost of those alone was more than the cost of a new machine. AEG Lavamat, lasted around 25 years of use though.
I did put some grease into the space between the inner and outer bearing before inserting the drum, not sure if that bit made it on the video. Wasn't white grease just normal though.
My last experience of doing major work on an automatic machine involved replacing the rotor shaft, bearings, front tub ( because the lugs the counterweight bolted to had broken off), the shock absorbers and the door seal (I managed to tear it removing the machine from under the worktop). The machine ran like a dream for about a month after then the programmer went tits up and I couldn't get a new one at a reasonable price so the machine had to go. I bought the machine for £50 as part of the vendor sold fixtures when I bought the house and didn't know how hard a life it had before I got it so, in spite of having spent about £120 on spares I didn't feel hard done by.
The new machine is the only time I've had to spend serious money on a washing machine. Apart from £50 for the failed one I've always had other people's cast offs that either needed only a hose or something or were just scruffy looking. Not having to buy a washing machine until I was over 50 seems like a good deal!
Sounds like you had a bit of a time with that one. Shame about the programmer. Were there no second hand ones on eBay or such?
@BuyitFixit second hand programmers were available but both sellers wanted over £100 for units of a similar age with no guarantee that they were working. I couldn't see anything obviously blown on the my board and, at the time, I was mad busy with work so I took the easy route and had the new machine plumbed in and operational by the end of the following day. I Freecycled the corpse of the old machine to somebody local who wanted it for spares.
Wow, well done Mick, what a beast of a machine, no wonder the engineer did a runner 😁😁😁😁
Cheers Mike 👍
Well done my friend I'd give you a job in my repair shop just 2 wee things when you took the drum apart I noticed a bit of the door seal had got cut off so may need a door seal as it might starting eating socks one other thing is when this happens it usually cuts into the heater so it's good practice to change the heater but all said well done
@@PeterGallagher-er3vh Thanks 👍Heater looked ok, no signs of wear or anything. There seems to be a metal sheid above it that may stop the drum fro m hitting it. I did notice the bits worn on the door seal. They seemed mainly at the top and didn't seem to affect the seals integrity so I didn't bother replacing it, although I didn't consider the possibility of it eating socks 🙂👍
After seeing this I will be holding onto my 1980's Maytag top loader washer till I die.
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*Thanks* so Much! Great *Teamwork,* and *Priceless Gift of Knowledge.*
Cheers 👍
Oh man! What a good repair video. Thanks for the tip with the bolt💪.
Thanks 👍and you're very welcome 🙂
Not inconsiderable labour, plus a little bloodshed (!) which is par for the course when working on sharp-edged laundry appliances. Good job mate! I really enjoyed your video.
Thank you very much 👍Yes it bit me! 😂😂😂
Good thing you used those SKF bearings, very good quality if im not wrong its the number one in the world, as for the plastic which is broken, I had the same problem with a PKM washing machine , and if you use a heating gun of 600°C and some plastic from the back of the drum plastic u can melt it and it will suffice, I fixed like this and so far no problem at all, plus those kinds of machines are at least above 2000 euro or something so idk how much u spent to make this baby work again but totally worth it for a household, if need any tips about washing machine you can contact me because I've worked with them for 7 years, electronic boards and what not I can help you find a solution of some kind
Thanks for sharing. Interesting idea on using the heat gun. I specifically looked for SKF as I know they are good bearing. I replaced a front wheel bearing on a land rover a year or two ago and it was a cheaper Ebay one and failed within a year!
Wow, that was a hell of a fix, Mick. Excellent job👍🏼 I can only imagine how tiring it was but it's worth it.
18Kg is wild 😂you can start a laundromat / laundrette business with that one haha
😂😂😂Cheers mate 👍
Jeez louise, I wouldn't even start to think about thinking about repairing a washing machine ! I've changed a spark plug on my moped and mended a few punctures on bikes but thats me and heavy mechanical stuff finished. You would look at my hands and say "Neverseen a days graft in his life" Nice work and I guess the family wash just got easier !
Cheers Andymouse 👍I've done a fair bit of mechanical stuff over the last few years. Had the body off the LR Discovery 4 three times! Changing turbos, and EGR pipes. Then had the gearbox out of my ML350 and it turned out to be the oil cooler in the bottom of the V of the V6 engine. Now I've got our little Kubota RTV900 in about 100 bits with the axle off, and the hydraulic transmission stripped down trying to fix that 😂
@@BuyitFixit Awesome :)
So now you have a washing machine for your shed.😊😊 You would make an excellent "Maytag repair man". I do not understand how people can run a fine machine to the point of no return. If it makes a noise, it is not normal.
Thanks 👍It's now in the house in the utility room and we've used it quite a few times so far without issue 🙂Yes agree, this must have been making some awful noises judging from the state of those bearings and the outer drum!
I love how you open with it being "huge" then the first shot is it towering over a Range Rover
😂😂😂That wasn't deliberate. That's my granddaughters that got sent up for me to have a look at, but it just needs a new 12V lead acid type alarm battery fitted.
When I did the same repair on my Kenmore HE3 (Maytag Duet) I put some Black RTV before I put the seal in and put some over the drum halves.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing 👍
You are a patient and fun guy
Thanks very much 👍
you know what though , for what that unit costs and a how much you spent to fix it i would be well bloody chuffed about that, and you know that new bearing kit will prob outlast the machine when it eventually does die! , well done dude
Thank you very much! 👍
Your persistence is inspiring. Thanks for this video!
Thank you too for commenting! 👍
WooW. You are the best and lucky guy.
I have had the same Problem because the drum was glued together not screwed 😵💫😭
Great .....👍👍
Thanks 👍Yes a few people had mentioned that they are sealed drums now. This is really bad as it's harder if not impossible to repair 😢
There is a easy way of disconnecting stuff.
1) take a photo of the device beforehand.
2) when you come round to reasembbleing it you have got it back.
OK you can also do what you have done by recording it.
@@darrenglynn597 Yes, because I'm recording for YT anyway it's quite useful to refer back sometimes to see how things go together. It was pretty straightforward anyway to be honest. I've done a lot more complicated stuff like stripped down my v6 engine to get to the oil cooler that was deep in the V of the engine 👍
Great job 👍done it myself before and wish I'd used 2rs bearings, mine obviously didn't seal too well and only lasted 6 months, wash once a week now with a load that big 😂
Thanks 👍Used this quite a few times now and it seems OK so far. There was more wrong with it than I was expecting. I thought it would just be the bearings but obviously the original owners let it run and run and run and run. I bet it was making some awful noises!
Hi how did they not notice the noise😂also the washing must have been covered in grease from the damage bearings good outcome my son is a domestic appliance engineer (self taught) he would have been proud repairing that washer regards from Scotland 🎥🏴🇬🇧⚙️🛠️
Cheers 👍Yes the noise must have been horrendous! I think they were using it at a farm for washing horse rugs so my wife said. I think the rust from the bearings would also have stained whatever they were washing too!
Mick nearly blocked Mrs buy it fix it from Marketplace for life 😂. Great fix Mick I really enjoyed it, I hope Mrs bifi is happy with the machine, how long was that machine banging away and grinding like mad the noise would of been unbearable, they would still be using it if it was flooding the place every time…. 10/10 for everything
Cheers Gary 😂😂Yes I bet the noise was horrendous! Yes she's happy as she can now wash horse rugs and quilts!
@ you’re welcome Mick, ideal then and definitely worth the swearing and cut knuckles lol. I broke our Zanussi washing machine by doing the dogs bed in it, the pulley wheel snapped and the Mrs said we will get a new machine🙄, we’ve had 2 new machines since both hotpoint both rubbish, the Zanussi we had about 7 years without an issue.
Excellent repair Mick! I think the repair company would have taken a bath on trying to repair it for only $500 unless they were using crappy aftermarket parts for cheap
Cheers mate 👍
Engineers shoild make bearing replacements 100x easier. Great video!
Thanks 👍It seems they have actually made it harder or if not impossible to do now. A lot of people mentioned that a lot of new machines have the drum plastic welded making it almost unrepairable 😥
I'm at the fortunate stage of life where I could justify the expense you incurred to have a washing machine of such calibre. Any other time in my life and I'd have spent £199 for some use-now-chuck-away-in-a-couple-of-years manner! Nice to see that genuine spares are even available. Not often the case with the cheaper stuff that's for sure.
Yes, I think this one might have been a fail if I wasn't able to get the replacement front outer drum 👍
Hope the Missus didn't see the old rust deposit inside the plastic drum. Maybe a jet wash would have saved her whites becoming slightly tanned. But I'm sure after a few washes the old rusty deposit will clean up nicely. Good job well done, sir! The company has a great training video for their new field engineers. 😁👍
Thanks Tim 👍 and yes 😂😂😂
You are my hero,, wish you lived next door. You took that washing machine to bits-FIXED IT-put it all back together (with no bits left over!) AND ALL WITHOUT A HAYNES MANUAL!!,,,, Superman!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Cheers Ian 👍yes I've normally got a good memory for how things come apart and go back together. I've currently got a hydraulic transmission in quite a few bits all over the shed floor. I may do a video on it as a few people mentioned could I do some more mechanical type repairs.
Could have sworn it was going to be a capacitor 🤠
Job well done.
The reason those bearings got so bad is because the clothes were still coming out clean 🤠
I had a washing machine where the service guy told me it was beyond economical repair as the circuit board had “gone” and I’d only have to pay for a service call.
I found a micro switch that was stuck on because soapy water had got on it one drop at a time.
I replaced the switch for a couple of dollars and complained to the service company. They reluctantly refunded the service call fee after I complained a lot. It’s just so easy for them to say the board has gone with no real diagnosis. How you going to prove them wrong unless you find the real problem.
Thanks 👍yes, easy to say it needs a new board.
This is a very interesting and informative video. Thank you.
I had an LG direct drive 7.5 kilo washer that developed a very similar fault. Apparently the part was pennies, the expense came from all the work in stripping down the machine, as you have so well demonstrated.
When I was starting out in life at 16, I wanted to be a domestic appliance engineer. Unfortunately, there is nothing worse in life than parents who lack imagination and force their child into becoming something they had no interest in and hated every second of the 4 year , supposedly an apprenticeship.
Now I am retired from a totally different field, nd still angry at the abuse and byullying. Be kind and understanding to your children if you don’t understand their chosen path in life. Once again, thank you for such an enjoyable video.
Thank you for your kind comment, and for the life advice. 👍
Fantastic video , please could you tell me where you bought the rubber water seal from, please that's the only part I need , cheers
Thanks 👍It was part of a bearing kit for a different washing machine (same bearings and seal) which is available here: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162644056073
I'm sure if you send him a message asking for just the seal he'll point you in the right direction.
@BuyitFixit thanks for that ,your a star ,keep making yu vids ,they really good to watch ,mick 🤝🤝
@ovation311061 Cheers 👍
V well done on the repair! BTW, did you ever get a quote for a new spider (tho I'm surprised you didn't at least jetwash the old one)?
The extra capacity should be v useful on the farm for eg dog/lamb bedding, workers' clothes, duvets etc. I hope it serves you for many more years! :)
One point (& especially important at high spin speeds): ensure you've balanced those counterweights as best you can (a tyre-fitter's wheel balancing rig may be required), otherwise you may well find even with levelling & the machine's auto-load-balancing tech, the concrete balancing blocks will crack at their fixing points after a few years hard use (this is also a reason to use the push-in cabletie fittings rather than a simple cabletie thru the hole: the latter is likely to be cut thru fairly quickly due to vibration, & they're easy enough to source cheaply from eg car repair shops), as well as excessive noise & a tendency to walk across a floor :)
Thanks 👍No I didn't bother asking the price on the new spider as the part I bought seemed to fit and it's been working fine for a few weeks since I did the repair. Yes my wife wanted it to be able to wash things like horse rugs and also things like quilts. I'm not too sure what you meant about balancing the weights as they didn't seem to have any adjustment. The "auto balancing" I think it just rotates the drum slowly for a while to try and spread things out, although I could be wrong.
@@BuyitFixit It's become less important, admittedly, since most modern machines have the 'auto-balance' feature which certainly helps, but this is the reason for the 'sheaf' plates used when fitting the concrete balance weights: they allow for small radial adjustments of their balance distribution, but not as much as (eg) an elliptical hole used in most other adjustable fitting types
Great fix. I was thinking plastic welding, but probably not strong enough or watertight. Really big, good thing your car's a convertible (0:00.
😂😂😂Thanks Ralph. Yes I had thought of Aquasure that we used to use on diving suits (might have tried that if I wasn't able to get a replacement front drum half) The convertible is the granddaughter and it was brought up to "fix" but seems it just needs a new battery.
@@BuyitFixit You'll never fix a granddaughter, no one has those skills. Sorry!
New spider and bearings clearly needed just from the huge play before you started disassembly.
I think on the outer front drum I'd have had a go cleaning the damage with a dremel and used fiberglass filler to repair it.
I hope the lugs on top, aren't indicative of a previous repair attempt removing a counterweight and not refitting prior to sale.
Having watched to the end, you didn't replace the spider?
You might regret that in few months.
Was always the situation on old Hotpoints to do bearings and spider together and failure to do so, often lead to rapid wear of new bearings.
First of all thanks for watching. I don't normally do household appliances and do a lot more electronic repairs. The part of the spider where the bearings go was actually OK, there was a bit rust in between but I cleaned that up with some sand paper. The machine was only 18 months old! I used SKF bearings because I wasn't too sure of the quality of the original bearings, and I know SKF is one of the better if not one of the best makes. The only part I had to replace on the spider was the stainless sealing ring, which I managed to fit with my hydraulic press. I'm not sure how much a new spider would have been, but I'd imagine quite an amount going off the price of the front outer drum.
I had thought about having a go at fixing it, but was more concerned about it leaking after doing all of the work, and the hassle of taking it apart and re-assembling it again. If the part wasn't available then I'd have probably gone down that route.
Ahh, it's nice to see that the springs had plastic bushings where they are connected. 10 years or so ago it was just electrolux and their brands plus Zanussi on the Norwegian consumer market that had directly to plastic hookup for the springs. Designed to wear out in x amount of time. Just about 5 years on a average family. Of course that's because in Norway a washing machine has to last for 5 years, or they have to pay for the repair of it as it's seen as a manufacturing fault/design fault if it dont. That caused them to make them last just that long and no longer. Bosch, Miele etc was good brands, now a days even bosch does that crap and the only one left is Miele. This make me think there might be hope going to the industrial market for something made a bit better.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing 👍 I think this is more "oversized" than industrial though. I think it's just a marketing gimmick 🙂
Well, at least that's Mrs. Buy it Fix it's Christmas present sorted. She'll have hours of endless fun clearing the backlog of laundry that's been piling up... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
May I suggest a box of detergent as a stocking stuffer... 🤣🤣
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Reminds me of my days in the 1960 working as a Fisher Bendix service technician both domestic and commercial launderettes
🙂I hope they were fond memories 👍
Nice one again, I assume it was used in an old peoples home or something and in a remote wash room plus ahh it's just a bit noisy.
I did a Zanussi a few years back that had a screwed together tub as this and it lasted quite a while until the boss wanted a new one. This time the tub was held together differently they did not really expect anyone to replace the bearings so I just bough a new one and at £274 for a 10Kg unit I never did repair the old one.
Thanks 👍I think it was used on a farm to wash horse rugs, not sure what else. That's how my wife came across it as she's got horses too. I bet the noise from this was horrendous. A few people have mentioned that some newer washers have sealed drums that don't split making it virtually impossible to repair. Such practices should be made illegal imho.
Another great vid and fix 👌
Thank you 👍
These are used for heavy horse rugs so likely overloaded. We had one and sent it back if you put on a 60c wash it didnt heat the water volume above 40c by the time it got to the rinses.
For £100 though a bargain.
Yes it came from a farm and I believe they were also using it for horse rugs. Interesting I've never checked the temperatures..
Well done👍
Thanks for an interesting video👍
Thank you too👍
So was a £500 quote to do the fix you did reasonable? My guess is probably. But I’d also guess they did not know about the split drum.
Yes, I think the £500 quote was reasonable due to the amount of damage I found, but I also guess they didn't realise about the drum or the spider.
Good job Sir ! that was some repair
Thanks 👍Yes it was more work than I thought, mainly because the previous owner caused more damage by keep running it.
@@BuyitFixit Yeah,i did wonder how they got it that far,it would have also been so noisy !
My Samsung front loader drum was wobbling and it wasn't real bad but on a high speed spin machine was shaking. I bought a new machine and put the old one in the garage and began the rebuild. This stainless steel drum did not spin on bad bearings but the spider was so badly corroded after only 7 years that it gradually moved the drum out of concentricity. The drum also cut a groove in the plastic housing that was almost all the way through in a couple areas. I installed a new seal and a new spider and I welded the plastic drum all the way around where the groove was worn into it. Your drum tub was pretty far gone with the cracks but I believe you could have still plastic welded it and reused it and saved the $200. Anyway, it's not an easy job because of the awkwardness and size of the tub to be removed but I fixed the washer for about $150 in parts. That was about 5 years ago. In 1998 I bought a washer dryer pair and in 2008 I replaced them with the Samsung I had to replace and rebuild and I put the old pair in a rental property and that top loader washing machine is still going and it's been 26 years. I don't know how much longer it will last but I've had the rebuild washer sitting in the garage for 5 years waiting for that one to go out. What I have noticed is that the spider could have been anodized in the washer and it would not have needed repair but I suppose that is done on purpose so that most people will have to buy a new machine.
Interesting and thank you for sharing 👍I've repaired a Samsung EcoBubble before, but that one was a direct drive and needed the motor controller IC replaced. That was about 6 or 7 years ago. I did do a short video on it at the time (before I started really doing RUclips regularly) it's on the channel (quite an old video) if you're interested.
Yeah Samsung had a big problem with the materials they used for the spiders. Had one here in Scotland that remarkably lasted 20 years but only because the water is so soft, eventually the spider corroded though. Heard in hard water areas they didn't last long at all, think there was a lawsuit in the USA over it.
Think the big symptom was it always thinking it was out of balance and eventually just falling apart.
@@lemagreengreen Whirlpool's various research papers into spider corrosion makes interesting reading, it was published as a result of a case against them. The alloy used in some machines was a factor, but the main cause is the crud that builds up on the spider, it is a mixture of liquid detergent and fabric softener residue, lint, body oils, dead skin cells and hair, etc, which retains moisture and bacteria thrives in creating a biofilm. This biofilm causes oxygen concentration cell corrosion (crevice corrosion) in the aluminium, because it makes the water stagnant (low oxygen), variations in oxygen concentration across the surface create potential differences, so corrosion occurs. They also found that the alloy they were originally using, which was high in copper content for better durability, is prone to microbially induced intergranular corrosion, due to high concentrations of copper at grain boundaries, this causes pitting in the spider, penetrating the aluminium oxide passivation layer, which promotes crevice corrosion. Excessive use of chlorine bleach which can cause pitting was another potential factor as I recall. They changed the alloy used plus the design of their spiders to eliminate pockets that trap crud, created a special cleaning cycle and developed a oxygen bleach based machine cleaning product (Afresh).
Had a Bosch with a spider that broke on the spin cycle. It had a steel inner drum and outer plastic drum. It was on spin for less than 2 minutes before is was switched off due to excessive noise. In that short time the water pump was filled with drum shavings of plastic that looked like spaghetti. When a bearing or spider breaks it is likely that the damage that you see is done on just one spin cycle. The rust stain on the back of the machine shows that water has been corroding the bearing for a little while but when a bearing finally goes the results can be dramatic.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing 👍