Fault finding: I am now retired, but only a short while ago, I got a phone call from an Electrician friend who used to get me to do his often-time-consuming fault finding. A group of Five caravans were tripping the main box, having got it down to one particular Caravan, the newly ish qualified site Electrician was struggling to find the ever-changing insulation fault. the power would be on, lights would work, but as soon as a Kettle or Toaster was powered, the site box would trip off. I got there and soon instructed them to change the faulty RCD in the hook up for a start which should have detected the leak, and activated. But the ever-changing resistance fault remained, lights would work, but as soon as any bigger load was switched on, off the RCD would go, now only on the hook up box with the new RCD. A little old-fashioned test was to identify in reverse where this insulation problem was, rather than from the consumer unit, I tested from a convenient Kettle base to a socket. Sure enough, ever changing resistance faults across all Three conductors. Isolate the Smoke alarm feed. Caravan worked normally again. I must add that I got him to switch all the MCBs off and put them on one at a time, as soon as the Lights were engaged, (Main power off of course)! the fault appeared on the Live as well as the neutral (trust me here). The fault remained on the neutral to CPC all the time. But came up on the Live too as soon as the circuit was engaged (Warp Nine!). Looked up at the ceiling to see Two odd smoke alarms, One mains and One Battery, pulled off the Battery alarm and there was a hole in the ceiling, shone a torch up to see Three bare wire ends hiding in the damp roof insulation. A maintenance person had replaced a faulty mains alarm with a Battery version, and just shoved the wires up into the roof void. Fizzling about in the damp space just waiting to arc and trip. Had he have isolated the Smoke alarm feed; he may have found it on his own (eventually!). I advised him to make a written report to H&S demanding no Maintenace workers were to do any Electrical work, at least untill they tracked down the culprit.! Never seen it before, and don't expect to come across it again.
Yeah I don’t believe 2 electricians couldn’t find this more like the homeowner messed it up and artisan thought lovely we will make a video out of this
There is nothing worse than trades who say they will turn up then don't, and you can't get hold of them. Why don't they just say they don't want the job?! 🤔
No neutral with live (active) present . Thats why they flicker (caps inside the LED charge up then dump the power, thats when it flashes). Had tons of these before but it will be the LED itself. Floodlights loves doing this asspecially in a area that gets a lot of power dips or brownouts to be technical.
8:36 Right. So what we're going to is take them down one by one....as opposed to taking them all out and then getting 4 more guys on site so we can look at all 6 simultaneously cause that would look like we're taking the p155. Tom's guessing its this one. We love to play little guessing games on days like this. My favourite is how high will the final bill be. We've done a risk assessment and decided its much better for revenue if we spend as long as possible talking about downlights rather than fixing the dodgy neutral. Then I'll propose a 40k rewire and a 55k solar solution for the undercupboard lights. A 25kWh battery system should run the undercupboard lights for 6m, but that'll be another 37.5k. All Plus VAT. I love my Artisan job. XxXx
Having noted the wiring was incorrectly terminated above the cupboard I am a little lost why you didn't put that right before conducting any IR testing.
May as well pop in some nice smart relays while you’re there 😉 Very interesting fault find though. It’s easy enough to mess up colours (as I know) on a good day, but when you match all the colours and that is actually wrong, you can see how builders mess it up!
Part first fix by spark/ builder. Second fix started by builder/ kitchen fitter. Second fix completely by spark i think due to the fact their were no single insulated cable at the connection for the downlights. The u/u light were probably due to be sorted out another day but when the builder didnt pay the spark he never went back. Of course this is only my opinion but builders are well know for not paying other trades.
Wehey, I predicted the cause correctly. My osmotic absorption of electrical knowledge continues, despite having no conscious idea what's going on much of the time. Still, it's good to be able to narrow down a fault before a professional shows up to charge by the hour.
10:05 you said previously that the neutrals where in with the earth's. So when powering the switch live and earth's your essentially powering it with live and earth to the light
Agree with other comments, simple fault found immediately, no need for two of you fault finding and subsequent testing, made a meal out of a 5 minute call out, and didn't even show any resolution of the dangerously exposed connections found above units
Laughed at the other sparky for possibly charging day rate but the other lad literally pointed out the fault early doors , garauntee u ignored it just to charge more
The guy you took the muck out of for charging a day rate for fault finding will still work out cheaper than you and the other spark turning up for an hour
Why not just dob the iffy connections into where they blatantly ought to go, before pulling out all the lights, contemplating drilling holes in the ceiling or pulling up floorboards?! This must be one of the daftest fault-find videos on RUclips.
A spark would not connect that wrong like that it was to easy so I think the electrician who came before you connected it like that so when he switched them on they would go bang so he just mucked about making it look hard to fix it to screw the man out of money however why did he not come back to get his money did you say that blue was the switched live unmarked it is possible to connect it into the neutral connection loop in system I always make the blues the neutrals and the browns the lives and switch wire up to lights
Flip out an adjustable power supply and hit the cable that is shorted with 20 A (10 or 15 if the cable is thin) and wait an hour then look for hot cable with thermal camera 😅😉 voltage shouldn't get over 10 V if there is an actual short.
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Fault finding:
I am now retired, but only a short while ago, I got a phone call from an Electrician friend who used to get me to do his often-time-consuming fault finding.
A group of Five caravans were tripping the main box, having got it down to one particular Caravan, the newly ish qualified site Electrician was struggling to find the ever-changing insulation fault. the power would be on, lights would work, but as soon as a Kettle or Toaster was powered, the site box would trip off.
I got there and soon instructed them to change the faulty RCD in the hook up for a start which should have detected the leak, and activated.
But the ever-changing resistance fault remained, lights would work, but as soon as any bigger load was switched on, off the RCD would go, now only on the hook up box with the new RCD.
A little old-fashioned test was to identify in reverse where this insulation problem was, rather than from the consumer unit, I tested from a convenient Kettle base to a socket.
Sure enough, ever changing resistance faults across all Three conductors. Isolate the Smoke alarm feed. Caravan worked normally again.
I must add that I got him to switch all the MCBs off and put them on one at a time, as soon as the Lights were engaged, (Main power off of course)! the fault appeared on the Live as well as the neutral (trust me here). The fault remained on the neutral to CPC all the time. But came up on the Live too as soon as the circuit was engaged (Warp Nine!).
Looked up at the ceiling to see Two odd smoke alarms, One mains and One Battery, pulled off the Battery alarm and there was a hole in the ceiling, shone a torch up to see Three bare wire ends hiding in the damp roof insulation.
A maintenance person had replaced a faulty mains alarm with a Battery version, and just shoved the wires up into the roof void. Fizzling about in the damp space just waiting to arc and trip.
Had he have isolated the Smoke alarm feed; he may have found it on his own (eventually!).
I advised him to make a written report to H&S demanding no Maintenace workers were to do any Electrical work, at least untill they tracked down the culprit.!
Never seen it before, and don't expect to come across it again.
That one is a world's classic 😂 "lets just shove the old wires in there"
the other guy literally found the fault at the start and you dragged it out lol
Yeah I don’t believe 2 electricians couldn’t find this more like the homeowner messed it up and artisan thought lovely we will make a video out of this
@@rn5666 100% he stages all these for his ego
@@rn5666 For sure! And a particularly terrible one at that!! That's a 10 minute one man job IMO. The other guy is an adult learner I assume
Easy fault find, looks like you made a meal out of that one 😂
Justifying that hourly rate 😂 why wouldn’t fixing that neutral connection be the first thing you do? In and out in 30 mins
erm, did you sort the exposed live parts above the cupboard ? 🤔🤔🤔
There is nothing worse than trades who say they will turn up then don't, and you can't get hold of them. Why don't they just say they don't want the job?! 🤔
You have to wonder what sort of plum would miss the neutral in the earth terminal. They're different colours for a reason..
It is shocking that somehow, TWO electricians missed this...
@@artisanelectrics Makes you wonder what other gaffs those 2 electricians are making. Good job finding the fault though, very rewarding.
"That's will be £5000 sir"
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MONEY ! IF ITS TO MUCH DONT GET THEM TO DO THE WORK 😂😂
that's 19.500 you owe me 50 quid and a coffee ok lol
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"Oh sorry. That's plus VAT."
I hope you tidied the wiring above the cupboards it looked shocking!
The irony of it being "too simple".... kitchen fitter / builder "special". Cheers
easy overlooked in tight constraints i do love a tight area .. Shhhhh
No neutral with live (active) present . Thats why they flicker (caps inside the LED charge up then dump the power, thats when it flashes). Had tons of these before but it will be the LED itself. Floodlights loves doing this asspecially in a area that gets a lot of power dips or brownouts to be technical.
8:36 Right. So what we're going to is take them down one by one....as opposed to taking them all out and then getting 4 more guys on site so we can look at all 6 simultaneously cause that would look like we're taking the p155.
Tom's guessing its this one. We love to play little guessing games on days like this. My favourite is how high will the final bill be.
We've done a risk assessment and decided its much better for revenue if we spend as long as possible talking about downlights rather than fixing the dodgy neutral. Then I'll propose a 40k rewire and a 55k solar solution for the undercupboard lights. A 25kWh battery system should run the undercupboard lights for 6m, but that'll be another 37.5k.
All Plus VAT.
I love my Artisan job. XxXx
dragged that one out! the fault couldn't have been more on show!
Having noted the wiring was incorrectly terminated above the cupboard I am a little lost why you didn't put that right before conducting any IR testing.
Please tell us you didn’t leave those exposed terminals above the kitchen units.
10 grand fault finding
Should have sent for Nick Bundy, he would have found the fault on his own in half the time & far less expensive 👏
Nice Megger. you want a borescope kit .I am Professional Rescue mechanic i use the atex right angle from Unilite Great tools .
At your prices, I hope you can fix it!
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Lawyers charge less 😂😂
Nice one guys ye deserved a coffee 😂
Get yourself a ferret camera !! Best thing I ever bought, you can attach it to your rods too. Makes it easier to inspect and what not
Well done great fault finding video
Get yourself a tone tester . Makes finding cable routes and junction boxes super easy
May as well pop in some nice smart relays while you’re there 😉
Very interesting fault find though. It’s easy enough to mess up colours (as I know) on a good day, but when you match all the colours and that is actually wrong, you can see how builders mess it up!
is there video on your tool bag ?
Finds neutral and earth tied together and spends half a year fsult finding after it! 😂😂
Madness 😂
Part first fix by spark/ builder. Second fix started by builder/ kitchen fitter. Second fix completely by spark i think due to the fact their were no single insulated cable at the connection for the downlights. The u/u light were probably due to be sorted out another day but when the builder didnt pay the spark he never went back. Of course this is only my opinion but builders are well know for not paying other trades.
Great 👍
Always start with the obvious!!
Wehey, I predicted the cause correctly. My osmotic absorption of electrical knowledge continues, despite having no conscious idea what's going on much of the time. Still, it's good to be able to narrow down a fault before a professional shows up to charge by the hour.
I know you'd have done it but I wish you would've shown that join sorted in a proper JB at the end. Can't have anyone assuming that's acceptable
10:05 you said previously that the neutrals where in with the earth's. So when powering the switch live and earth's your essentially powering it with live and earth to the light
"some people call it an earth". You mean everyone, and rightly so.
You only call it an "earth" if your firmly grounded in reality
Did you leave the C1 above the unit like that?
Not that best idea having the switch off working live with the client stood there next to it…😮
Your sparks found the issue after 2 minutes so why was you still fannying around dropping lights etc
That can’t have been 2 previous ‘Electricians’…….that was a very simple fault.
Exactly. Home owner written all over it.
You definitely need a bigger screwdriver to get light switch plate off 😂😂😂😂😂
Is this the guy that used to work with Tommy Walsh on ground force or some of them diy programs 🤔
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How did you make that into a video 😂 could have sorted that on my own in 5 minutes
Should have reconnected that box first, would have saved all that time testing.
You didn’t seem to confident the way you turned the switch on with your insulated driver.
thank you for doing a video on daily electrician stuff not solar thank you love your videos (not the solar stuff)
Glad you like them!
@@artisanelectrics I like ALL your videos Jordan.
so you don’t like their videos on solar stuff then? 🤨
Solar is dead at moment ....so us sparkies back to normal electrical people 😂😮😊😊😊
😂 I feel your pain 😂😂😢
Agree with other comments, simple fault found immediately, no need for two of you fault finding and subsequent testing, made a meal out of a 5 minute call out, and didn't even show any resolution of the dangerously exposed connections found above units
Laughed at the other sparky for possibly charging day rate but the other lad literally pointed out the fault early doors , garauntee u ignored it just to charge more
Capacitive flickering
Yeah 👍
Fair play 😅😅😅😅
Should have sent for Nick Bundy, found the fault on his own in half the time & much less expensive
SL to CPC insulation test - short circuit CPC-N ??? flicking lights on
The guy you took the muck out of for charging a day rate for fault finding will still work out cheaper than you and the other spark turning up for an hour
real
Why not just dob the iffy connections into where they blatantly ought to go, before pulling out all the lights, contemplating drilling holes in the ceiling or pulling up floorboards?! This must be one of the daftest fault-find videos on RUclips.
Best video you have posted in months and months. Everyday electrics and no solar. Might re-subscribe to the channel if you post more of this content…
Hope the dodgy sparky is watching.
Why do we never see lee or anyone anymore
You saw the fault 5 mins but decided it would make a short video and dragged it out lol come on
CMON Jordan that was a one man job your gettin lazy should never use the blue as a sw wire
🤣 sadly there is electricians ( u tube trained ) and proper trained electrician but not seen any yet 🤗
thats just £478.00 please...........
A spark would not connect that wrong like that it was to easy so I think the electrician who came before you connected it like that so when he switched them on they would go bang so he just mucked about making it look hard to fix it to screw the man out of money however why did he not come back to get his money did you say that blue was the switched live unmarked it is possible to connect it into the neutral connection loop in system I always make the blues the neutrals and the browns the lives and switch wire up to lights
Flip out an adjustable power supply and hit the cable that is shorted with 20 A (10 or 15 if the cable is thin) and wait an hour then look for hot cable with thermal camera 😅😉 voltage shouldn't get over 10 V if there is an actual short.
Potential fire right here
If you like fault finding like I use to, I'll change your mind on a DALI system in a new hospital where the as fitted drawings are wrong! Bag o Shiite
Delroy went to fault find that issue last week. 😂
Nah, if Delroy had been the kitchen would’ve been rewired in trunking by now
@@JamesEdwards860 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like it defeated 1 electrician at best.
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How on earth did 2 of the master race not notice this ? 🤣
Unilite products are so badly made
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Have you sped the customers voice up
Can we fix it?of course otherwise you didn't had to make content no one will watch it😂😂😂
Rip off
artisan electrics this is why i follow you well done to you both