Ceàirdean =tradesmen, in our Gaelic (Scotland) or tinkers as some say, as they were tinsmithing on the move as they travelled. Our Scottish ones are of various Clans, but all the same as the rest of us; just displaced by circumstance, and moved onto the road, just like our Irish friends. Great horsemen, soldiers, pipers, keepers of cultural stories and strong family people. I'm proud to call many my friends. They are the sort that would stand by you in the trenches, as it were. Hard to get today.
Being Irish and living in Ireland all my life , the Irish traveller is a unique part of Ireland , I think there different than gypsies . Travellers have a type of catholic identity , very special
I'm rural Irish and 70 years old. In my youth two Different travelling groups visited the country homes i.e. Itinerants & Gypsies. The Itinerant women begged for flour, eggs, milk etc. The men made and repaired buckets mostly from tin, hence the term "Itinerants/Tinkers". The Itinerants slept in canvas "bender" tents on the sides of the roads.The Gypsies were more prosperous and more widely travelled - often coming from Britain and trading in decorated horsedrawn caravans. Their features and build were also different.
Yes my old pal u are quite right,gypsys in England have mixed a lot longer than travelers have so tend to be on their feet with many owning small holdings and large good houses too,tend to have mullets too eh😜🇮🇪👍🇬🇧
I can see why you would link Tinker with itinerant because of tin. But that isn't the route of that word. It's just a coincidence. Iter means " to journey" in Latin. Although I, too, remember that's how the authorities used to refer to them in the recent past. I left Eire 40 years ago. Do they still call them that, Martin? Is itinerant still politically correct.? I hope you're still going strong in your 70's.👍
George, I am an American with some Irish Ancestry. I find this topic fascintaing. I learned a few new things from your video. Your tactful and considerate way of inorming is refreshing :) Thanks!
@@mohammedfahad3564 They never claimed to be Irish, just have Irish ancestry. But you obviously do understand there are millions of people in America, Canada, Australia, etc... who have Irish last names and obvious Irish ancestry. It can't be ignored, and while it may get annoying for people born outside Ireland to claim they're Irish, it's certainly helpful for Ireland's tourism industry.
Please mate im a irish traveller and your knowledge is impeccable can i have your email address i would love to get your insight in depth i want to educate my people in there history but can't get the right research and i would like to tel you wat small points you got wrong we are looking to start a monthly magazine and i have been looking for someone like you please get back to me asap
Did you know that recently it was discovered that Travellers are a distinctly different genetic group from the Irish? Because of the proliferation of inbreeding (incest) this has caused the Travellers to br seperated genetically from the rest of the Irish, because the DNA is limited and doesnt outsource very far, at all.
I am an Irish traveller it is the best description I've ever heard it was not derogatory in any way shape or form, I must say it's quite Pleasant for a change. well done on your research. When I often explain what is the difference I usually refer to DNA, and I also pretty much explain the difference the way you have. Thank you 😊
Thank you for posting a very informative summary. My only knowledge of “Gypsies” comes from Peaky Blinders TV series and the occasional gypsy funeral reported on by the UK Daily Mail.
Get your facts Right George . I am an Irish born Romani, Not a Gypsy ! It is a derogatory name So Stop re faring to my People as Gypsies OK ! Romani, Rom, Roma, Sinti are who we are. We Know Who we are, the thing is Do you know Who You are ? Irish Travelers are Irish People , They were some of the First people to set foot in Ireland. As for speaking Romanis , I speak what is left of it. So dont say that no one speaks it anymore, You are Very wrong.
Irish Travellers were Recognised in English Law as an Ethnic Minority Group in 2000. English Gypsies were recognised in English Law as an Ethnic Minority Group in 1987.
Dawn In the republic of ireland irish travellers have only been granted that status last year .Don't know about gypsies .Irish travellers are a native group in fact the most native group having little admixture from normans and other groups.So that sense they were not an obvious group to be granted ethnic status.
Crystal Mongan But do gypsies and travellers originate from the same geographical area in northern India? If that’s the case then they’re the same right?
Thank you for this . I’m English Romany, over- educated and worked in medicine until retirement , married early and widowed young .. I now make my own choices . ( settler ) this clarified things for the Giorgio . Baxt pratigi x
How come u call urself romany not romani? Romani gypsy came from India hella long ago I think Irish travellors are ethnically European they just live similar lifestyle
@@streettravelxxi Yes Irish Travellers/Gypsys are Irish People with a kind of Gypsy Lifestyle. Im a Sinti (Middle European Gypsy We live since 1407 in Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands) We still have our Language which is Called Romanes. The Romany Englisch Gypsys are mostly from Eastern european descent. (Romania, Hungary, Slovenia,) So they Descend from The Gypsys that call them selves "Roma" thats where Romany comes from. The sad Thing is about 90% of the Romany English people dont speak there Language anymore and lost All of there Culture. They lost pretty much everything that makes them Gypsys. And the younger Generation of them doesnt know anything about theyre Ancestors and what they went through or where they Come From.
George how fascinating as this exist today. Seeing Irish gypsy wedding's on tv thinking they were fake, but soon realized it's a real life style. Thank you for this education.
We did not pass through Egypt... (Well, the Iberian Kale did, but that's because they were sold as slaves there by the Arabs and some of the Ottomans & Turks.) We were racialistly mistaken for Egyptians 1,000 years by White Greeks & White Romanians when we were freed from Turkey during our 500-year journey across Asia. Also, we've been in Great Britain for 800 years, just like we have most of Europe since we first arrived between 1,000-1,2000 years ago... (1,200 years earlier, because some slaves were brought over to Europe 200 years prior to our forced migration there.) But you are right about more core British Romani populations such as Welsh Kale & Romanichal only really being there for about 400+ years and not having as strong a connection to the Roma (Central & Eastern European Romania s well as the first-ever Romani people) and also having a different dialect. Surprisingly, an impressive number, even those with the Whitest admixture, still do speak Romani, or as they've anglicized it, "Romany". Also, Sinti are a different sub-ethnic group of Romani. Just as European & Middle Eastern/North African Jews have Ashkenazi, Sephardi & Mizrahi, we have Roma, Sinti, Iberian Kale, etc. Still, you did get a lot right and your pronunciations weren't too bad, either. :) Unfortunately, we hate being called "Gypsy" and don't want such a racial misnomer that's an equally derogatory exonym on par with "Injun" for Native American. The Rom name and identity pre-date Europe by at around 500 years, and are approximately 1,500 years old. (Also, I'm gonna be the only Rom on here with an Irish name because I was born in Hungary, but once orphaned, was put up for off-continent international adoption because no non-Rom Europeans wanted a "filthy Gypsy baby", so I wound-up being adopted by a fairly Irish, but not entirely Irish, Irish-American family.) ANYWAY, thanks for helping set the record straight. If people don't believe you, then they can always consult Harvard University, The New York Times, TIME Magazine, National Geographic and various other super reputable institutions & publications which have all proven through genetics, language, cultural anthropology and migratory patterns, that Romani and Irish & Scottish Travellers are two entirely distinct groups, which outside of very rare & very recent intermarriage, are entirely separate from one another, which isn't saying much since virtually every possible combination of admixtures exist out in the world. Also, despite what Wikipedia might tell you, Ireland arguably has the lowest Romani population in all of Europe with the exception of perhaps Luxembourg and other such countries.
@@xxjoeyladxx Words are words. There are no DNA tests that attest to what you say. I'm looking for them and can't find any. In Spain it is the same, there are gypsies people and mercheros people, they are not the same. They lead a similar way of life but they are different peoples and DNA tests have already been done to confirm it.
Thank you for your video but you are mistaken in saying that there were no travellers or gypsies murdered for being that ethnicity,there has been many times when they have been murdered for just being who they are
Thank you for this detailed explanation. I always wondered what the difference is between the traveler and the gypsy. Fascinating. We don’t get much exposure to these cultures in the states.
Nope gypsies and Irish traveler's are not the same ... like the only thing is similar is that some Irish traveler's and some gypsies live the same life style .. thats about it ... im a gypsy i can recognize my race of ppl .. Irish traveler's are irish .. do a dns test it wont lie ..
My great uncle's were McDonough's and their parents were from Ireland. They were the first Bail bondmen in the united states. Also some Rice's in our family too.
I am of Irish and Slovak descent living in the US. Not much is known about my fathers side of the family, as no one has spoken the native languages since the early 1900s. I, however, believe my fathers side may have been rRomani. The family even changed their surnames when they came to the US as indentured servants.
What under the Earth make you feel they look like Indians. As an Indian, When I see them at first, I felt like Someone from Europe, couldn't understand the ethnicity. They are more whiter than Indians and facial features are polar opposite to us. I have talked to 2 families of them, lovely people👍🏻
Irish Travellers are not of Indian descent. It is the Roma people (commonly called Gypsies) whose ancestors left Gujarat over 1 000 years ago. Obviously they Roma people intermarried others along the way.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections family are the best love them all. I have 23 cousins and we all travel around together love it and love them all. I just hate the council always telling us to move we ain’t got no place to go so where do we move to?!
Always got called a pikey at school years ago even though I’m only half traveller on my dad side however it breaks down to more than that my dads dad side of the family are Irish travellers (knackers) and my Dads mum side are Romany and there slightly more dark in tone and the surname is Doe which is a classic Romany gypsy surname. They ain’t from the same originally however with the mixing between Irish travellers and Romany travellers in England Ireland wales and Scotland it means there isn’t much to distance ourselfs with anymore but to everyone else we are gypsys so that’s why the confusion.
I am a Roma Gypsy and I'm not even black. when I was in school I remember people calling me a black bastard to go back to India. I never lived in India so I didn't care what others said. I am proud to be a Rom and no one will ever take that away from me. God bless
Thanks for the info, it was interesting. FYI there is a huge Cigano/Romani population in Brazil. Wikipedia suggests there might be more in Brazil than Romania and anywhere else in Europe. Im not sure about that but can confirm there are many in Brazil. Wikipedia also suggests there are more Romani people in the USA than Romania, or anywhere else in Europe.
All 💯 Irish travelers have the same Surnames as the population of Irish people especially from the Republic of Ireland. For instance McCarthy and O’Leary . The name McCARTHY comes from the Kings of Munster. Mc meant you were called the property of Cartof , son of the king . Irish travelers were settled people just like the entire country but circumstances forced them on the road probably through no fault of their own , greedy landlords and so on . One thing is for sure , they learned how to survive in harsh circumstances. The younger travellers today which are a contradiction bcos are mostly settled in nice houses wouldn’t be able to survive and live the lives of the old talented travelling people
Of course they are but my point is that all Irish travellers have the same Surnames as the Republic of Ireland . Why bcos we’re the same people , only different is some were forced to survive on the roads for hundreds of years and now most are settled in the same communities
As a Hungarian I never understand why ppl like Tyson fury say they r Gypsy cuz to us in Hungary he is white not gypsy. A gypsy person looks like someone from bombay
@@patriley2498 no not Egyptian they look more like Indians. Go watch videos on lunik ix or the slums in Bulgaria that’s what typical Eastern European gypsies look like they don’t even look white they look South Indian
If you are interested in actually finding the facts, regarding the number of Irish Travellers and English Gypsies who have been murdered because of their Ethnicities, the Traveller Movement can be Googled or their Website accessed, and any of their full time staff members can help you. The Traveller Movement fight for the Legal Rights of Irish Travellers, English Gypsies and Roma people on a very large number of areas.
☘️🐎🍻🥂🐑🇳🇿🙏☘️My father English/Romany Gypsy. My mother indigenous Irish. Me a mix of all and born in New Zealand 🇳🇿.amen 🙏💪 I'll go along with what you say Mr George. My forefathers integrated into English society and I am very proud of all my family heritage. Slainte, Cheers 🙏💪🇳🇿☘️🥂 🍻🐎🐑☘️
both sets of grandparents were travellers an I'm white has a lily wiv blue eyes we got lingo tho it's has got lost not full ten words spoken wiv out none traveller word in middle feel its cuz things change an no words r thier for Internet computer ect ur very good an covered a lot I feel we're all mixed in some way or other pleasure to listen too x
Violet best nice I believe my nan could been a lrish traveller women asked my mummy about my nan she doesn't really go into lrish side my two family got DNA kit trying my best work out my family I believe my mummy could have had argument with my lrish side my family problem is to many sentences dont know why I found it interesting asked my friends what u think if my roots are lrish traveller lad me been mixed race he found it random I think colour shouldn't matter I have had lrish traveller friends know lrish traveller girl she my friends all been nice to me trying found truth out so difficult
@@ryansvlogsandvideos953 if u feel it in your soul then thiers a calling from u thier it don't make u tho it conpleat u to know ur own bk ground I really wanna get dna bk ground test an will do soon Your mother got her own reasons An it may be for your best intressed in her mind I don't know tho uasally Mothers want the best for thier children so she may be protecting u To have a traveller name tag Ain't great to expose to Whole world Ur judge different from outsiders work ppl will always use it agasit u oh he got gypsy blood he un trust worthy an so on they will treat u diffrent I belive all travelling ppl Come from settled ppl to begin wiv Tho broke off an away from thier neighbours An lived a quite p Rivate life from others only mixing Wiv thier own an when needed to outside world for work an money food . That's why they got no country To say we r from here tho they must of been in a country to begin wiv like we was born in We all connected I'm sure thiers more none travellers blood in me than not tho I had two sets of grandparents who lived an worked the travelling life they were born too it may not be hundred percent sure Tho I know in my soul that gypsy blood runs thou my vains An so do u that's all u need an it will protect u in life that inviseable coat from others not to see that fight to survive that cheeky Manor to have an that streagh from no where when all is failing round u Its that inner knowing an that lucky happy go nature that u know inside u r All best x
Brilliant . Seamus MAC Phee from Pitlochry would be a good contact for you. The Tinker Project in Scotland is something he has be looking into through the freedom of information act. He was studying abroad looking into Roma People.
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Peter Cameron Thank you for giving the contact details for the “Tinker Project in Scotland” and more importantly a person who may agree to share their knowledge. Kushty Bok.
Gypsies originated front the Hindu Kush area, west of the Himalayas mountain range, and were mistakenly thought to have come from Egypt, hence Egypties became the word gypsie..
In Spain there are ancient written documents where some gypsies ask for permission to pass through the country on a pilgrimage to Rome. They say they come from Egypt but the curious thing is that they ask for permission to enter Spain from France. In the opposite direction to Rome. It may be that from there comes the legend that they come from Egypt.
My name is Kathleen Marie mcdonagh, I'm an Irish traveller. Some of what your saying is true.. But there is more to cultural history than you know... Our proper language is a mixture of gailege Latin and Hebrew shelta and can't is mostly slang travellers begun with st Patrick and catholism being persecuted by the pagans for changing there beleifs certain families from clans were exiled which is why we have settled mcdonaghs and traveller mcdonaghs both names were changed to English.. We were thought Hebrew and Latin by st Patrick and his followers.. We are the 'Padraig gaulioghs mislie' the walking children of Patrick we camped together married each other and gained more followers.. Its changed obviously over the last millennia and modern travellers from 17th Lon Jed in through marriage usually because the same last name but we've always been here they say that every paved family whose nme starts with Mc or O has its own elder spirit who would warn them of death this became a banshee ... :-) surdache arare beure ageta mayo
St Patrick preached in these countries bringing some Irish men with him most marrying girls from Italy Spain that's where the dark eyes and hair came in the Vikings brought in red hair along with an invasion lol
Eiledon Just because I’m traveler and tbh thinking of it, it’s strange, how did we start off? Where did we come from what made us become what we are??🤔 lol ! 😂😭 , I wonder the same about Muslims and many cultures, I guess it’s our beleivfs, I would not change it for the world, I love being a traveler. I hope every gypsy & traveler is proud ❤️
I want to know more about the Romani People and Irish Travellers as well. I learned some good bits from this video. Thank you. I have questions that I wish I could ask a knowledgable Romani or Traveller man or woman, but I’m a bit shy.
They r two different ethnicities the only similarity is they both are nomadic and frowned down upon by the local ppl of their area. Irish/English gypsy are not Romani sing they don’t speak Roma dialect and they do not originate from India like the gypsies in Eastern Europe
I am an English learner . I had an argument with my friend about Irish nomadic . She thinks nomadic means gypsy . I think Nomadic means traveller or Bedouin. The text mentions that monads sold things they had made . Which meaning is correct for this word ? Thanks
This is a totally biased and flawed account of who the Irish travellers are. They diverged genetically from the 'settled' Irish between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago. What 'diverged' actually means is not clear, it could well be that they appeared in Ireland between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago. The Irish Traveller Gammon vocabulary is derived from pre-13th-century Gaelic idioms with ten per cent Indian origin Romani language vocabulary, suggesting that Irish travellers were originally Romani, like European travellers. It makes much more sense that the travellers of Europe are all originally from the same genetic stock, i.e. Northern India. On traveller culture, it always amazes me the lengths people go to to explain the more negative traveller customs as a result of some kind of discrimination or circumstance rather than what is really is: CHOICE.
dna testing show irish travellers and irish settled people are from the same lineage esp people from the west of ireland the most Gaelic part of irieland travellers may be the purist form of irish left some variables exist an there may have been some mixing with roma in past centurys but we settled and travellers may seem very different in todays society but haven studied irish history and accounts of irish people over the century's i would say that we the settled community are the ones who have changed so much and become so anglicised we are unrecognisable to the irish of the 17 and 18 hundreds and would have nothing in common with our ans-esters of medieval ireland alot if not all of traveller traditions and behaviours are old irish ways of life that we the settled community have abandoned or are now frowned upon
I'm astounded by how much you know , as a travller myself I was wondering if you provide with a link to were you find this information so I can further educate myself . I read a similar study suggesting we are just as diversly related to Icelandic people as we are Irish . Thank you so much for educating me cuz clearly this guy didn't do enough research.
@@musicisthetruth6535 i dont know who you are replying to but i can put you onto some good documentrys on travellers ethnicity and irish history if you like
I’m from Spain, a country that’s had a Gypsy population for centuries. The UK travellers cannot be called ‘Gypsies’ as they don’t look at all like this ethnic group.
I don’t agree. I am an Irish Traveller by descent, and we must be at least somewhat related to Romani Gypsies. The Shelta language that we traditionally spoke is full of Romani words, like ‘kushti’ meaning ‘good’.
I can remember as a kid In the 80s my dads generation using the world diddicoy or diddy for travelers in Pembrokeshire. Obviously i imagine that word is now veiwed as properly racing now. There was also a kids tv puppet show in the 80s called the Diddy men to i think.
George tries to explain the differences but also doesn’t touch on other groups. You can split them into Romani and non Romani groups. -Romani Groups- (these groups descend from the original Indian migrants to Europe some. As Romani is a spectrum some groups are white looking or darker in complextion) English Romani gypsies/travellers Welsh Romani Lowland Scottish Romani Recent arrival groups eastern european Roma -Non Romani Groups- (these groups are not related) Scottish Highland Travellers Irish Travellers Occupational Travellers (showmen) New age Travellers
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections thanks glad I could. Also interestingly Irish traveller and Scottish Highland travellers speak cants based on Irish and Scottish Gaelic. Yet both groups can’t speak to each other even though the languages originate from two gaelic languages. The Romani groups in the UK can understand each other with Welsh Romani being the most pure dialect to survive. Roma dialects are not mutually intelligible with British romani as they have been influenced by eastern european languages.
My Granny's side was Hungarian then UK. Romani. My Grand father was said to be Scottish lowland Gypsy but I was told that no he would be considered a Traveler. So I'm glad you broke that up into groups so he was right and would still be considered Romany. So many people have told me there are no Scottish Romany. My Granny spoke Romani but I don't remember my Grandfather ever speaking but English. We are American.
Nice explanation. In the north of the Iberian Peninsula we have exactly the same distintion. On one hand here are the "gitanos" or gypsies, of Indian origin and on the other hand there are the "mercheros" of unkonw but certainly European origin. As a derogatory term they used to be called "quinquis" because they dealt with "quincalla" or objects made of tin. So the situation regading traveller comunities is pretty similar to that of Ireland. There where a lot of "mercheros" here in the eighties when I was young but there is a long time since I have't heard about any "merchero" comunity around.
@@MrAndyMcGarry so amazing so beautiful why I say that because me been mixed race I believe my nan was a lrish traveller women she die a long time ago trying found out my lrish roots got two big lrish family I believe there lrish travellers settled people dont have a lot of families like lrish travellers or Roma families so much makes sense just got proof for my self not understand why I cant got hold of my families doesn't make a sense never meet them maybe as a children dont remember to little to remember never seen pictures of tham found very weirdo
I am a second generation Irish American. I do not consider myself "Irish", even with my blue eyes, jet black hair on porcelain white skin. I may look the part, but I am a American, a pale freckled American veteran, who happens to enjoy sad songs and arguing arbitray points. Just because 3/4 of my grandparents were born in Ireland, and my mother is a Irish-Citizen.As well as my grandparents, who had the foresight to submit my mothers birth to the Irish Republic birth register in the late 1950's before the Republic's views on the Irish Diaspora became more conservative. I'm also conscience of the cultural misappropriation by many Americans, Canadians, Aussies etc.... of what it means to be Irish, while also owning the Plastic Paddy moniker. Rather, I am proud to identify myself as Boston-Irish, which most real native born Irish and native WASP Americans understand to be a distinct breed in its own right. When I was a child, Weymouth, Quincy, Dorchester, South Boston, Charlestown, Waltham, Hyde Park, Watertown, Norwood, Somerville, Cambridge, and plenty more were or had overwhelmingly high numbers of working class Irish Americans. Now, those urban towns, cities, neighborhoods are filled with College kids, hayshackers, and the dreaded hipsters who have made it impossible to raise a family with the working class ethos and clannish loyalty that made those places "famous/cool" and a magnet for Yuppies. Therefore, I have no right to pass judgement on a people that I do not truly understand or know, Catholic, Protestant, settled or traveler etc... However, there are two exceptions, the negative one is the fact that hayshackers who can afforded to live in these renovated neighborhoods at the expense of the close-knit working class families who created them need to be called out. If you see a young guy with prescription glasses, a long beard, high and tight buzz-cut wearing a hoodie that says Southie, and commuting to work on a uni-cycle, push him off his unicycle. The positive one being that men everywhere reserve the right to comment on women, the same way that a lot of women due to men in every corner of the world. The long-winded point I'm trying to make, is my opinion that most Traveler women are fucking hot. I could have made this more concise, but an hour after taking my daily dose of methadone, while I drink my first D&D coffee I am compelled to write like a curmudgeon.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Respectfully, I agree with you in part, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm interested in the validity of opinion. I should do a better job of articulating what I mean. In Plato's Repubic, Opinion exists between knowledge and ignorance. A humans experience plays the largest role in a persons opinion. In the West we value the opinions of those who have experienced whatever it is that we are formulating an opinion on, more so then a person who is inexperienced on the subject of those opinions. For instance, I was in the military, I hear armchair generals opinions all the time on how things should be down. It is rare for me to hear an insightful opinion on the military from any civilian. I respect the opinion, but I place no value in it, I would recommend noone else to value an ignorant opinion as well, respect it yes, value it no. Ignorance poisons discourse and weaken free speech. A person who is ignorant yet opinionated on a subject, has a right to express their opinion and we have a responsibility to protect that opinion. However, if we place to much value into ignorant opinions, our discourse moves further away from the ultimate goal of discourse, which is knowledge/wisdom. Of course this is just my opinion and Plato's of course.
In Spain in old times the romani people used "cale" or "romani" for called themselves and actually use words "romani" or "gitano". For people that arent romani the use "payo". Payo means "rough peasant or a little silly".
This is a topic of endless opinion and debate... But through linguistics, and with the advent of DNA tests - the truth is evident. "Travelers" of the British Isles are ancestrally linked to the Celts. The Roma in Eastern Europe trace their origins to India and have a language similar to the people of Rajaistan. Last names also differ greatly - " Smith" etc. ( English) vs. Olah, Muszik, Lakatos, for Roma.
What do you really know about travellers? My traveller grandfather was adopted the extended family meant little to him, not at all what you described....
I'm an Irish traveler but I was born and raised in America and irish travelers and English traveler or romania not sure what they go by but we are totally different we dont even look alike or speak alike
@@patrickoloughlin5252 really? are they all good? maybe some, the rest....lets say I have nothing good to say about. Talking from the experience I had with them I will never ever hire nor recommend travellers ever again. I am sure there are some very skilled and good travellers out there but very hard to find so why chance it? Is not worth it really. Instead of defending their mistakes I think would be more constructive to discourage bad behaviour.
this is most English sounding Irish man I've ever heard
We all are i have the most english accent ever
Your accent has both an Irish accent sounding words and an British accent sounding words!
Absolutely, I’d say “From Ireland” has to be his surname 😂
@@mrbonk9560 what all irish are english? I feel u think that then live in England. Tiocfaidh ar la
@@maltesetony9030 if he's an Irishman I'm boy George 😂
Ceàirdean =tradesmen, in our Gaelic (Scotland) or tinkers as some say, as they were tinsmithing on the move as they travelled. Our Scottish ones are of various Clans, but all the same as the rest of us; just displaced by circumstance, and moved onto the road, just like our Irish friends. Great horsemen, soldiers, pipers, keepers of cultural stories and strong family people. I'm proud to call many my friends. They are the sort that would stand by you in the trenches, as it were. Hard to get today.
You have educated me.
Being Irish and living in Ireland all my life , the Irish traveller is a unique part of Ireland , I think there different than gypsies . Travellers have a type of catholic identity , very special
I did not know they were big on Catholicism
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections got a family a wife two sons and a dad Irish gypsies moving in next door what should I be aware of if anything?
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How is it going?
@@Bunders14905what kind of stupid and racist question is even that??
@@Bunders14905 😂😂😂😂
I'm rural Irish and 70 years old. In my youth two Different travelling groups visited the country homes i.e. Itinerants & Gypsies. The Itinerant women begged for flour, eggs, milk etc. The men made and repaired buckets mostly from tin, hence the term "Itinerants/Tinkers". The Itinerants slept in canvas "bender" tents on the sides of the roads.The Gypsies were more prosperous and more widely travelled - often coming from Britain and trading in decorated horsedrawn caravans. Their features and build were also different.
Thanks for informing me
Yes my old pal u are quite right,gypsys in England have mixed a lot longer than travelers have so tend to be on their feet with many owning small holdings and large good houses too,tend to have mullets too eh😜🇮🇪👍🇬🇧
I can see why you would link Tinker with itinerant because of tin.
But that isn't the route of that word. It's just a coincidence.
Iter means " to journey" in Latin.
Although I, too, remember that's how the authorities used to refer to them in the recent past.
I left Eire 40 years ago.
Do they still call them that, Martin?
Is itinerant still politically correct.?
I hope you're still going strong in your 70's.👍
Very Well Said! Kushty Bok.
Wen u dropped that camera? You gave me the biggest fright, I was so engrossed in your speech, I l almost dropped my bloody phone! Ha!😁 ha! 😁
George from Ireland,
Haha. If only more people understood or, were willing to understand, Irish travellers as you are.
Thanks
Fair play
The English Scots and world know Irish travellers pay no taxes Roma gypsies in ENGLAND AND EVEYWHWRE IN THE WORLD DO
George, I am an American with some Irish Ancestry. I find this topic fascintaing. I learned a few new things from your video. Your tactful and considerate way of inorming is refreshing :) Thanks!
Rosanne Jimenez ur American, not Irish
Get ur facts right. No one in Ireland claims u
Rosanne Jimenez plastic paddy,wiv a name like that me thinks not ur like from Mexico or sum shit hole South American country
@@mohammedfahad3564 read what she wrote. She was wrote that shehad Irish ancestry. She didn't say she was Irish herself.
@@mohammedfahad3564 do you stand on behalf of irland? like in all seriousness do you stand on part of America too?
@@mohammedfahad3564 They never claimed to be Irish, just have Irish ancestry. But you obviously do understand there are millions of people in America, Canada, Australia, etc... who have Irish last names and obvious Irish ancestry. It can't be ignored, and while it may get annoying for people born outside Ireland to claim they're Irish, it's certainly helpful for Ireland's tourism industry.
Please mate im a irish traveller and your knowledge is impeccable can i have your email address i would love to get your insight in depth i want to educate my people in there history but can't get the right research and i would like to tel you wat small points you got wrong we are looking to start a monthly magazine and i have been looking for someone like you please get back to me asap
Thanks. You can message me via my channel
gcallaghannn@gmail.com
Really interesting insight into traveller culture.
Did you know that recently it was discovered that Travellers are a distinctly different genetic group from the Irish? Because of the proliferation of inbreeding (incest) this has caused the Travellers to br seperated genetically from the rest of the Irish, because the DNA is limited and doesnt outsource very far, at all.
George u big knacker uve never seen bein Irish u ding
Excellent summary, sir!
I am an Irish traveller it is the best description I've ever heard it was not derogatory in any way shape or form, I must say it's quite Pleasant for a change. well done on your research.
When I often explain what is the difference I usually refer to DNA, and I also pretty much explain the difference the way you have.
Thank you 😊
Thanks. Please tell all
Thank you for posting a very informative summary. My only knowledge of “Gypsies” comes from Peaky Blinders TV series and the occasional gypsy funeral reported on by the UK Daily Mail.
You are welcome.
Irish travellers are not gypsies ROMA GYPSIES IN ENGLAND PORTUGAL INDIA NOT SCOTLAND WALES AMERICA POLAND AND NO RAZOR BLADES ITS THE JEWISH FAITH
@@annlonsdale9396 thank you . Amen sjalom shalom ik ga effe googlen erop Amen
They were tinkers and silversmiths, they worked with metal and scrap metal.
Yes
Get your facts Right George . I am an Irish born Romani, Not a Gypsy ! It is a derogatory name So Stop re faring to my People as Gypsies OK ! Romani, Rom, Roma, Sinti are who we are. We Know Who we are, the thing is Do you know Who You are ? Irish Travelers are Irish People , They were some of the First people to set foot in Ireland. As for speaking Romanis , I speak what is left of it. So dont say that no one speaks it anymore, You are Very wrong.
Janes romanes?
Irish Travellers were Recognised in English Law as an Ethnic Minority Group in 2000.
English Gypsies were recognised in English Law as an Ethnic Minority Group in 1987.
Dawn In the republic of ireland irish travellers have only been granted that status last year .Don't know about gypsies .Irish travellers are a native group in fact the most native group having little admixture from normans and other groups.So that sense they were not an obvious group to be granted ethnic status.
I see u in every traveller video
Yes, but they have no genetic connection with Roma. Actually, they are a subset of native Irish.
G&C RECORDS hello , I seen u on another video 🤣🤣❤️ and are you a gypsy?? Or a traveler??? Just wondering x
xo_unknownGurl _xo aym romany gypsie turkhis iranics rumania
This man needs a show on Netflix
Please get me one
Im a Irish traveller🇮🇪we ain’t gypsys or whatever dem ar called
You are right
Crystal Mongan But do gypsies and travellers originate from the same geographical area in northern India? If that’s the case then they’re the same right?
@@zzzz5449 Gypsies are from Gujarat. Travellers are Irish.
@@zzzz5449 gypsy people are from different place compared to irish travellers x
Nice grammar
Thank you for this . I’m English Romany, over- educated and worked in medicine until retirement , married early and widowed young .. I now make my own choices . ( settler ) this clarified things for the Giorgio . Baxt pratigi x
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How come u call urself romany not romani? Romani gypsy came from India hella long ago I think Irish travellors are ethnically European they just live similar lifestyle
@@streettravelxxi because Romani is Eastern European . Romany is used by those of British birth
@@annehj9380 do English gypsies speak Roma language?
@@streettravelxxi Yes Irish Travellers/Gypsys are Irish People with a kind of Gypsy Lifestyle. Im a Sinti (Middle European Gypsy We live since 1407 in Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands) We still have our Language which is Called Romanes. The Romany Englisch Gypsys are mostly from Eastern european descent. (Romania, Hungary, Slovenia,) So they Descend from The Gypsys that call them selves "Roma" thats where Romany comes from. The sad Thing is about 90% of the Romany English people dont speak there Language anymore and lost All of there Culture. They lost pretty much everything that makes them Gypsys. And the younger Generation of them doesnt know anything about theyre Ancestors and what they went through or where they Come From.
George how fascinating as this exist today. Seeing Irish gypsy wedding's on tv thinking they were fake, but soon realized it's a real life style. Thank you for this education.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Thanks for feedback George.
Ch4 FAKE news
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections I'll agree don't we all ffs
OK thanks again ffs god bless you and your family and friends are invited to view the full version solved my man
We did not pass through Egypt... (Well, the Iberian Kale did, but that's because they were sold as slaves there by the Arabs and some of the Ottomans & Turks.) We were racialistly mistaken for Egyptians 1,000 years by White Greeks & White Romanians when we were freed from Turkey during our 500-year journey across Asia. Also, we've been in Great Britain for 800 years, just like we have most of Europe since we first arrived between 1,000-1,2000 years ago... (1,200 years earlier, because some slaves were brought over to Europe 200 years prior to our forced migration there.) But you are right about more core British Romani populations such as Welsh Kale & Romanichal only really being there for about 400+ years and not having as strong a connection to the Roma (Central & Eastern European Romania s well as the first-ever Romani people) and also having a different dialect. Surprisingly, an impressive number, even those with the Whitest admixture, still do speak Romani, or as they've anglicized it, "Romany". Also, Sinti are a different sub-ethnic group of Romani. Just as European & Middle Eastern/North African Jews have Ashkenazi, Sephardi & Mizrahi, we have Roma, Sinti, Iberian Kale, etc. Still, you did get a lot right and your pronunciations weren't too bad, either. :) Unfortunately, we hate being called "Gypsy" and don't want such a racial misnomer that's an equally derogatory exonym on par with "Injun" for Native American. The Rom name and identity pre-date Europe by at around 500 years, and are approximately 1,500 years old. (Also, I'm gonna be the only Rom on here with an Irish name because I was born in Hungary, but once orphaned, was put up for off-continent international adoption because no non-Rom Europeans wanted a "filthy Gypsy baby", so I wound-up being adopted by a fairly Irish, but not entirely Irish, Irish-American family.) ANYWAY, thanks for helping set the record straight. If people don't believe you, then they can always consult Harvard University, The New York Times, TIME Magazine, National Geographic and various other super reputable institutions & publications which have all proven through genetics, language, cultural anthropology and migratory patterns, that Romani and Irish & Scottish Travellers are two entirely distinct groups, which outside of very rare & very recent intermarriage, are entirely separate from one another, which isn't saying much since virtually every possible combination of admixtures exist out in the world. Also, despite what Wikipedia might tell you, Ireland arguably has the lowest Romani population in all of Europe with the exception of perhaps Luxembourg and other such countries.
Thank you for this most informative post.
No. Romani are Indo Aryan. We come from India
One of the better explanations of travelers.
Thanks
Romani people originated from India while Irish Traveler’s are from Ireland.
I know
Wrong. Irish Travellers are Romani.
@@xxjoeyladxx
Words are words.
There are no DNA tests that attest to what you say.
I'm looking for them and can't find any.
In Spain it is the same, there are gypsies people and mercheros people, they are not the same.
They lead a similar way of life but they are different peoples and DNA tests have already been done to confirm it.
I'm Mcdonagh traveller and proud..... well done on ur video well spoken ...
Ta
Thank you for your video but you are mistaken in saying that there were no travellers or gypsies murdered for being that ethnicity,there has been many times when they have been murdered for just being who they are
Very Well Said. Kushty Bok.
Thank you for this detailed explanation. I always wondered what the difference is between the traveler and the gypsy. Fascinating. We don’t get much exposure to these cultures in the states.
YAW
Nope gypsies and Irish traveler's are not the same ... like the only thing is similar is that some Irish traveler's and some gypsies live the same life style .. thats about it ... im a gypsy i can recognize my race of ppl .. Irish traveler's are irish .. do a dns test it wont lie ..
I'm an Irish Traveller and we're of mostly Romani origin.
Very informative and educational, great video 👍
Ta
My grandma used to say “I don’t give a tinker’s damn!!!”. When she was upset.
I have heard that one
As a retired Sheet Metal Worker (once called Tinkers) A Tinker's Dam is home made/hand made procedure when soldering copper.
My great uncle's were McDonough's and their parents were from Ireland. They were the first Bail bondmen in the united states. Also some Rice's in our family too.
I see
I am of Irish and Slovak descent living in the US. Not much is known about my fathers side of the family, as no one has spoken the native languages since the early 1900s. I, however, believe my fathers side may have been rRomani. The family even changed their surnames when they came to the US as indentured servants.
The only purpose of the traveller is to annoy and cause problems for everyone else
What under the Earth make you feel they look like Indians. As an Indian, When I see them at first, I felt like Someone from Europe, couldn't understand the ethnicity. They are more whiter than Indians and facial features are polar opposite to us.
I have talked to 2 families of them, lovely people👍🏻
Irish Travellers are not of Indian descent. It is the Roma people (commonly called Gypsies) whose ancestors left Gujarat over 1 000 years ago. Obviously they Roma people intermarried others along the way.
Good video man, used this to educate my friend on the matter because he was didn't know the difference.
PS- I'm an anglo/Manouche Gypsy :)
Ta
I’m a Irish traveller and I’m proud to be one
What are the best parts of your culture?
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections family are the best love them all. I have 23 cousins and we all travel around together love it and love them all. I just hate the council always telling us to move we ain’t got no place to go so where do we move to?!
@@ellax9557 Live in a house. Halting sites?
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections I live in a trailer but have a shalley on a site but it’s mainly where me granddaddy stays
That's Great to hear Brow! You are the true Irish! I am A ROMA and proud to be one!
I thought they could marry at 16 with parental consent.
Not now
Always got called a pikey at school years ago even though I’m only half traveller on my dad side however it breaks down to more than that my dads dad side of the family are Irish travellers (knackers) and my Dads mum side are Romany and there slightly more dark in tone and the surname is Doe which is a classic Romany gypsy surname. They ain’t from the same originally however with the mixing between Irish travellers and Romany travellers in England Ireland wales and Scotland it means there isn’t much to distance ourselfs with anymore but to everyone else we are gypsys so that’s why the confusion.
Thanks for clearing this up
I am a Roma Gypsy and I'm not even black. when I was in school I remember people calling me a black bastard to go back to India. I never lived in India so I didn't care what others said. I am proud to be a Rom and no one will ever take that away from me. God bless
Thanks for the info, it was interesting. FYI there is a huge Cigano/Romani population in Brazil. Wikipedia suggests there might be more in Brazil than Romania and anywhere else in Europe. Im not sure about that but can confirm there are many in Brazil. Wikipedia also suggests there are more Romani people in the USA than Romania, or anywhere else in Europe.
I did not know it.
All 💯 Irish travelers have the same Surnames as the population of Irish people especially from the Republic of Ireland.
For instance McCarthy and O’Leary .
The name McCARTHY comes from the Kings of Munster.
Mc meant you were called the property of Cartof , son of the king .
Irish travelers were settled people just like the entire country but circumstances forced them on the road probably through no fault of their own , greedy landlords and so on .
One thing is for sure , they learned how to survive in harsh circumstances.
The younger travellers today which are a contradiction bcos are mostly settled in nice houses wouldn’t be able to survive and live the lives of the old talented travelling people
Aren't MacDonagh and Ward very common names for them
Of course they are but my point is that all Irish travellers have the same Surnames as the Republic of Ireland .
Why bcos we’re the same people , only different is some were forced to survive on the roads for hundreds of years and now most are settled in the same communities
As a Hungarian I never understand why ppl like Tyson fury say they r Gypsy cuz to us in Hungary he is white not gypsy. A gypsy person looks like someone from bombay
Egyptian
@@patriley2498 no not Egyptian they look more like Indians. Go watch videos on lunik ix or the slums in Bulgaria that’s what typical Eastern European gypsies look like they don’t even look white they look South Indian
If you are interested in actually finding the facts, regarding the number of Irish Travellers and English Gypsies who have been murdered because of their Ethnicities, the Traveller Movement can be Googled or their Website accessed, and any of their full time staff members can help you. The Traveller Movement fight for the Legal Rights of Irish Travellers, English Gypsies and Roma people on a very large number of areas.
I am unaware of any
Blair is also a irish traveller name
@@XxxRachaelxxX Tony Blair the famous Irish Traveller Prime Minister 😂
Interesting thank you for the video
God you know so much! Fascinating video👍🏻
Ta
☘️🐎🍻🥂🐑🇳🇿🙏☘️My father English/Romany Gypsy.
My mother indigenous Irish.
Me a mix of all and born in New Zealand 🇳🇿.amen 🙏💪
I'll go along with what you say Mr George. My forefathers integrated into English society and I am very proud of all my family heritage.
Slainte, Cheers 🙏💪🇳🇿☘️🥂 🍻🐎🐑☘️
I see
both sets of grandparents were travellers an I'm white has a lily wiv blue eyes we got lingo tho it's has got lost not full ten words spoken wiv out none traveller word in middle feel its cuz things change an no words r thier for Internet computer ect ur very good an covered a lot I feel we're all mixed in some way or other pleasure to listen too x
Violet best nice I believe my nan could been a lrish traveller women asked my mummy about my nan she doesn't really go into lrish side my two family got DNA kit trying my best work out my family I believe my mummy could have had argument with my lrish side my family problem is to many sentences dont know why I found it interesting asked my friends what u think if my roots are lrish traveller lad me been mixed race he found it random I think colour shouldn't matter I have had lrish traveller friends know lrish traveller girl she my friends all been nice to me trying found truth out so difficult
@@ryansvlogsandvideos953 if u feel it in your soul then thiers a calling from u thier it don't make u tho it conpleat u to know ur own bk ground I really wanna get dna bk ground test an will do soon
Your mother got her own reasons
An it may be for your best intressed in her mind I don't know tho uasally
Mothers want the best for thier children so she may be protecting u
To have a traveller name tag
Ain't great to expose to
Whole world
Ur judge different from outsiders work ppl will always use it agasit u oh he got gypsy blood he un trust worthy an so on they will treat u diffrent
I belive all travelling ppl
Come from settled ppl to begin wiv
Tho broke off an away from thier neighbours
An lived a quite p
Rivate life from others only mixing
Wiv thier own an when needed to outside world for work an money food
. That's why they got no country
To say we r from here
tho they must of been in a country to begin wiv like we was born in
We all connected
I'm sure thiers more none travellers blood in me than not tho I had two sets of grandparents who lived an worked the travelling life they were born too it may not be hundred percent sure
Tho I know in my soul that gypsy blood runs thou my vains
An so do u that's all u need an it will protect u in life that inviseable coat from others not to see that fight to survive that cheeky Manor to have an that streagh from no where when all is failing round u
Its that inner knowing an that lucky happy go nature that u know inside u r
All best x
Yes there is Romany and Scottish Traveler crossover!
That’s offensive as a gypsy myself and a chat I’m English and ☘️ 
Brilliant . Seamus MAC Phee from Pitlochry would be a good contact for you. The Tinker Project in Scotland is something he has be looking into through the freedom of information act. He was studying abroad looking into Roma People.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Pass's it on U DONE SUCH GOOD CARE ABOUT ME KNOW IF IT WAS NOT ABLE TO GET BACK FROM MY ANDROID PHONE ON T-MOBILE AND PRIVILEGED INFORMATION INTENDED ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN CHECKED OUT YOUR OWN RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM PROJECT MANAGER POSITION AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE SO THAT WE CAN DO IT ON MY WAY HOME FROM WORK SO FAR SO GOOD AT IT AGAIN BUT THIS ONE HAS YET THANKED THIS POST
Peter Cameron Thank you for giving the contact details for the “Tinker Project in Scotland” and more importantly a person who may agree to share their knowledge. Kushty Bok.
Gypsies originated front the Hindu Kush area, west of the Himalayas mountain range, and were mistakenly thought to have come from Egypt, hence Egypties became the word gypsie..
Thanks
In Spain there are ancient written documents where some gypsies ask for permission to pass through the country on a pilgrimage to Rome.
They say they come from Egypt but the curious thing is that they ask for permission to enter Spain from France.
In the opposite direction to Rome.
It may be that from there comes the legend that they come from Egypt.
@@manuelpinto4809thanks for this
The majority of Irish before the Normans came were the Irish Travellers you see today in Ireland & Britain.
My name is Kathleen Marie mcdonagh, I'm an Irish traveller. Some of what your saying is true.. But there is more to cultural history than you know... Our proper language is a mixture of gailege Latin and Hebrew shelta and can't is mostly slang travellers begun with st Patrick and catholism being persecuted by the pagans for changing there beleifs certain families from clans were exiled which is why we have settled mcdonaghs and traveller mcdonaghs both names were changed to English.. We were thought Hebrew and Latin by st Patrick and his followers.. We are the 'Padraig gaulioghs mislie' the walking children of Patrick we camped together married each other and gained more followers.. Its changed obviously over the last millennia and modern travellers from 17th Lon Jed in through marriage usually because the same last name but we've always been here they say that every paved family whose nme starts with Mc or O has its own elder spirit who would warn them of death this became a banshee ... :-) surdache arare beure ageta mayo
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections lol
Yeah that's why youll find travellers in catholic countries or with strong catholic beliefs all over Europe UK France Switzerland Poland etc
St Patrick preached in these countries bringing some Irish men with him most marrying girls from Italy Spain that's where the dark eyes and hair came in the Vikings brought in red hair along with an invasion lol
Where did the addition of Hebrew into irish Traveller language come from?
Eiledon Just because I’m traveler and tbh thinking of it, it’s strange, how did we start off? Where did we come from what made us become what we are??🤔 lol ! 😂😭 , I wonder the same about Muslims and many cultures, I guess it’s our beleivfs, I would not change it for the world, I love being a traveler. I hope every gypsy & traveler is proud ❤️
Thank you so much you speak the truth and I appreciate it it your knowledge is wide god bless you
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I want to know more about the Romani People and Irish Travellers as well. I learned some good bits from this video. Thank you. I have questions that I wish I could ask a knowledgable Romani or Traveller man or woman, but I’m a bit shy.
They r two different ethnicities the only similarity is they both are nomadic and frowned down upon by the local ppl of their area. Irish/English gypsy are not Romani sing they don’t speak Roma dialect and they do not originate from India like the gypsies in Eastern Europe
There’s surnames Mcdonagh ward Maughan Joyce’s Collins Lawrence’s loads more
Cash Conners coyle Joyce McGinley stokes ffs need I go on OHyeh Sweeny
O connors /mongans / stokes /corcans /ward/maughan/mcdonagh/mc ginely/o donnell
Lots more just can think
@@jpmcd6863 thats about all the one i know
@@michaelward1154 armagh
There’s way too much misinformation out there about them. They are not even genetically related.
I am an English learner . I had an argument with my friend about Irish nomadic . She thinks nomadic means gypsy . I think Nomadic means traveller or Bedouin. The text mentions that monads sold things they had made . Which meaning is correct for this word ? Thanks
Bedouin are Arab nomads.
Peaky Blinders………
This is a totally biased and flawed account of who the Irish travellers are. They diverged genetically from the 'settled' Irish between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago. What 'diverged' actually means is not clear, it could well be that they appeared in Ireland between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago. The Irish Traveller Gammon vocabulary is derived from pre-13th-century Gaelic idioms with ten per cent Indian origin Romani language vocabulary, suggesting that Irish travellers were originally Romani, like European travellers. It makes much more sense that the travellers of Europe are all originally from the same genetic stock, i.e. Northern India. On traveller culture, it always amazes me the lengths people go to to explain the more negative traveller customs as a result of some kind of discrimination or circumstance rather than what is really is: CHOICE.
dna testing show irish travellers and irish settled people are from the same lineage esp people from the west of ireland the most Gaelic part of irieland travellers may be the purist form of irish left some variables exist an there may have been some mixing with roma in past centurys but we settled and travellers may seem very different in todays society but haven studied irish history and accounts of irish people over the century's i would say that we the settled community are the ones who have changed so much and become so anglicised we are unrecognisable to the irish of the 17 and 18 hundreds and would have nothing in common with our ans-esters of medieval ireland alot if not all of traveller traditions and behaviours are old irish ways of life that we the settled community have abandoned or are now frowned upon
I'm astounded by how much you know , as a travller myself I was wondering if you provide with a link to were you find this information so I can further educate myself .
I read a similar study suggesting we are just as diversly related to Icelandic people as we are Irish .
Thank you so much for educating me cuz clearly this guy didn't do enough research.
@@musicisthetruth6535 i dont know who you are replying to but i can put you onto some good documentrys on travellers ethnicity and irish history if you like
@@richardbannon4745 I would truly appreciate that , thank you .
Yeah because Indians are widely know for red hair and freckles
I’m from Spain, a country that’s had a Gypsy population for centuries. The UK travellers cannot be called ‘Gypsies’ as they don’t look at all like this ethnic group.
I don’t agree. I am an Irish Traveller by descent, and we must be at least somewhat related to Romani Gypsies. The Shelta language that we traditionally spoke is full of Romani words, like ‘kushti’ meaning ‘good’.
I knew it not.
There is crossover in our family. Romani and Scottish traveler. Marriages and same stopping places.
I go to Florida for the winter I’m a Irish traveller
Lucky duck
What castle are you from in Ireland George?
Very good lecture Ger ,or i mean George
Ta
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections dont mind the little joke in there George,its very informative and respectful,fair play to you
I am True gypsy from America Eastern European
So informative, thank you Sir
You are welcome
Hi George. I am Irish. You have a British accent. I presume you spent a lot of time in the UK?
Yes
I can remember as a kid
In the 80s my dads generation using the world diddicoy or diddy for travelers in Pembrokeshire.
Obviously i imagine that word is now veiwed as properly racing now.
There was also a kids tv puppet show in the 80s called the Diddy men to i think.
I see
I am a traveller
Where have you traveled to ?
@@francisrossi9737 the pub
Yeah o Brien is a traveller name my cousins are o brien and my father is o brien ❤ best breed
@@daveberry9922 🤣🤣
George tries to explain the differences but also doesn’t touch on other groups. You can split them into Romani and non Romani groups.
-Romani Groups- (these groups descend from the original Indian migrants to Europe some. As Romani is a spectrum some groups are white looking or darker in complextion)
English Romani gypsies/travellers
Welsh Romani
Lowland Scottish Romani
Recent arrival groups eastern european Roma
-Non Romani Groups- (these groups are not related)
Scottish Highland Travellers
Irish Travellers
Occupational Travellers (showmen)
New age Travellers
Meant to underline the names not score them out.
You have educated me.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections thanks glad I could.
Also interestingly Irish traveller and Scottish Highland travellers speak cants based on Irish and Scottish Gaelic. Yet both groups can’t speak to each other even though the languages originate from two gaelic languages.
The Romani groups in the UK can understand each other with Welsh Romani being the most pure dialect to survive. Roma dialects are not mutually intelligible with British romani as they have been influenced by eastern european languages.
My Granny's side was Hungarian then UK. Romani. My Grand father was said to be Scottish lowland Gypsy but I was told that no he would be considered a Traveler. So I'm glad you broke that up into groups so he was right and would still be considered Romany. So many people have told me there are no Scottish Romany. My Granny spoke Romani but I don't remember my Grandfather ever speaking but English. We are American.
@@loudadovia7363 Who are Sinti people?
Nice explanation. In the north of the Iberian Peninsula we have exactly the same distintion. On one hand here are the "gitanos" or gypsies, of Indian origin and on the other hand there are the "mercheros" of unkonw but certainly European origin. As a derogatory term they used to be called "quinquis" because they dealt with "quincalla" or objects made of tin. So the situation regading traveller comunities is pretty similar to that of Ireland. There where a lot of "mercheros" here in the eighties when I was young but there is a long time since I have't heard about any "merchero" comunity around.
Couldn’t have said it any better 🙌🏻
I am a Irish Traveller and some the stuff he said wos not true
Sorry
Would you approve of your sister going out with a man from the settled community?
@@tiernanwearen9499 Yes
Wonderful explanation.
It's called cant believe it must come from the Irish word caint, which means talk.
I'm an Irish traveller😅
Jodi Golyans don’t say that
@@barryreff7787 why?
Jodi ur not
Barry Reff I cant tell your scotch from your username
Ur sublik beur
You forgot to mention about the Romany language
Good point
Who is this guy ? He’s fantastic . Has anyone watched the field Snatch ?
*film
Do Irish travellers and Romany gypsys have no relation at all ??
George from Ireland I’m irish traveler and some English gypsies and irish travelers marry and mix, so some can be related to English gypsies .
No
There are no ethnic or racial relation at all. However there are some lifestyle similarities that were adapted by Irish travellers from Romanis
My great uncle (Irish traveller) married my great aunt (Romany Gypsy) so yeah they do, my dads cousins are mix
@@MrAndyMcGarry so amazing so beautiful why I say that because me been mixed race I believe my nan was a lrish traveller women she die a long time ago trying found out my lrish roots got two big lrish family I believe there lrish travellers settled people dont have a lot of families like lrish travellers or Roma families so much makes sense just got proof for my self not understand why I cant got hold of my families doesn't make a sense never meet them maybe as a children dont remember to little to remember never seen pictures of tham found very weirdo
is Tyson Fury from the Travelers too?
Methinks so
I love my irish
Thanks
My grandmother was a traveling Irish gal. She identified as gypsy. Last name fonda
Well she not a traveller then is ahe travellers originate from Ireland and gypsies from england
I am a swedish traveller
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Romani
Traveler homes are very clean I don’t believe then not being clean being true
I am a second generation Irish American. I do not consider myself "Irish", even with my blue eyes, jet black hair on porcelain white skin. I may look the part, but I am a American, a pale freckled American veteran, who happens to enjoy sad songs and arguing arbitray points. Just because 3/4 of my grandparents were born in Ireland, and my mother is a Irish-Citizen.As well as my grandparents, who had the foresight to submit my mothers birth to the Irish Republic birth register in the late 1950's before the Republic's views on the Irish Diaspora became more conservative. I'm also conscience of the cultural misappropriation by many Americans, Canadians, Aussies etc.... of what it means to be Irish, while also owning the Plastic Paddy moniker. Rather, I am proud to identify myself as Boston-Irish, which most real native born Irish and native WASP Americans understand to be a distinct breed in its own right. When I was a child, Weymouth, Quincy, Dorchester, South Boston, Charlestown, Waltham, Hyde Park, Watertown, Norwood, Somerville, Cambridge, and plenty more were or had overwhelmingly high numbers of working class Irish Americans. Now, those urban towns, cities, neighborhoods are filled with College kids, hayshackers, and the dreaded hipsters who have made it impossible to raise a family with the working class ethos and clannish loyalty that made those places "famous/cool" and a magnet for Yuppies. Therefore, I have no right to pass judgement on a people that I do not truly understand or know, Catholic, Protestant, settled or traveler etc... However, there are two exceptions, the negative one is the fact that hayshackers who can afforded to live in these renovated neighborhoods at the expense of the close-knit working class families who created them need to be called out. If you see a young guy with prescription glasses, a long beard, high and tight buzz-cut wearing a hoodie that says Southie, and commuting to work on a uni-cycle, push him off his unicycle. The positive one being that men everywhere reserve the right to comment on women, the same way that a lot of women due to men in every corner of the world. The long-winded point I'm trying to make, is my opinion that most Traveler women are fucking hot. I could have made this more concise, but an hour after taking my daily dose of methadone, while I drink my first D&D coffee I am compelled to write like a curmudgeon.
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections Respectfully, I agree with you in part, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm interested in the validity of opinion. I should do a better job of articulating what I mean. In Plato's Repubic, Opinion exists between knowledge and ignorance. A humans experience plays the largest role in a persons opinion. In the West we value the opinions of those who have experienced whatever it is that we are formulating an opinion on, more so then a person who is inexperienced on the subject of those opinions.
For instance, I was in the military, I hear armchair generals opinions all the time on how things should be down. It is rare for me to hear an insightful opinion on the military from any civilian. I respect the opinion, but I place no value in it, I would recommend noone else to value an ignorant opinion as well, respect it yes, value it no. Ignorance poisons discourse and weaken free speech. A person who is ignorant yet opinionated on a subject, has a right to express their opinion and we have a responsibility to protect that opinion. However, if we place to much value into ignorant opinions, our discourse moves further away from the ultimate goal of discourse, which is knowledge/wisdom. Of course this is just my opinion and Plato's of course.
No!! The straight answer to this question!! True gypsy are Romany!
Gypsy is a racial slur... the proper term is Roma. That's our race.
I have heard people use Roma a lot. But some such people call themselves Gypsies. It is not necessarily a dysphemism.
In Spain in old times the romani people used "cale" or "romani" for called themselves and actually use words "romani" or
"gitano".
For people that arent romani the use "payo".
Payo means "rough peasant or a little silly".
Some did mix with the roma gypsies as well. Tommy fury, Tyson furys brother is half roma gypsy and half Irish traveller.
That's right the Fury's dad John fury is a Irish travellers and and they have different mother's but there mother's are gypsies
Why are they so hot tempered ?!!
They bully me never visit rathkeale our Newcastle west
Thanks for the tip. They are not all bad
George from Ireland, what's your surname, you look a bit like me in my younger days lol
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections OK no problem lol
I'm a ward
Are you a Traveller?
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections yes im a traveller
Thanks. Well explained and helpful
Thanks uncle
This is a topic of endless opinion and debate... But through linguistics, and with the advent of DNA tests - the truth is evident. "Travelers" of the British Isles are ancestrally linked to the Celts. The Roma in Eastern Europe trace their origins to India and have a language similar to the people of Rajaistan. Last names also differ greatly - " Smith" etc. ( English) vs. Olah, Muszik, Lakatos, for Roma.
arranged marriage is not a very common thing among irish travellers anymore
Good to hear!
What do you really know about travellers? My traveller grandfather was adopted the extended family meant little to him, not at all what you described....
A little
Travellers and gypsys are brethren
Tbh im an irish traveller but i only know a few words
Same
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections we are Irish traveller but we only know a few words
@@GeorgeFromIrelandReflections i want to learn more but no one really knows it
Me neither loool not ah tube glue ie CLUE
Ffs wtf subject end game content tagged in my case LOOOL NOT SURE IF THIS WORKS OUT WELL AS MY MAN RC HA
I'm an Irish traveler but I was born and raised in America and irish travelers and English traveler or romania not sure what they go by but we are totally different we dont even look alike or speak alike
Not Romania we are from northern India that's where we are from I am a English rommany gypsy mush means alright mate cushdy means good
Very interesting to see differences...... thank you
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Yes
Just had some of the travellers doing landscape gardening for me, never again!
Why not?
My father does them and he’s base in Manchester he’s considered the best there by far and gets all the jobs there
But you only really take into account there travelers when they fit your stereotype
@@patrickoloughlin5252 really? are they all good? maybe some, the rest....lets say I have nothing good to say about. Talking from the experience I had with them I will never ever hire nor recommend travellers ever again. I am sure there are some very skilled and good travellers out there but very hard to find so why chance it? Is not worth it really. Instead of defending their mistakes I think would be more constructive to discourage bad behaviour.
@@elenagisa1318shut your racist mouth