Where Do "Gypsies" Originally Come From?
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They do not have a shared homeland or national identity. They are a people who are scattered across the globe and whose origins have always been shrouded in myth and mystery (among other reasons because they have kept no written records of their early history). Many saw them (and continue to do so in many cases) as dirty, thieving and undesirable, others as artistic, romantic and carefree. In France, they are referred to as gitanes, in Spain they are called gitanos, and in Germany, zigeuner.
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They are from Rajasthan, india . Currently they are called 'banjara' here and they live same nomadic life.
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And Punjab, too.
Punjab and rajhastan Sindh i.am from Punjab we are very happy that they were from our land rajhastan Punjab and Sindh 🇮🇳 but also very less people's in India knows about them
Pakistan and Afghanistan as well, my family are all blue eyed blonde and red haired Roma Gipsies, that comes from the mountain/Hindu Kush tribes, we're related to several ethic groups including Kalash, Pamir, Kochi, ect. x
It’s all around India.
So, they come from India, for anyone wanting to save 5 minutes.
@lolo lolan shut the fuck up. Why can't you accept the fact that they are from India. Don't blame Pakistans for everything. Why are u so insecure
Jatin justa why is he a dumbfuck they are from india Rajasthan
@@prateekreddy8442 to be honest they can be from pakistan and india both. becoz pakistan was the part of nothwest india. so their from both pakistan and india
@Zdravljica some of them can be from pakistan its comman sense becoz india and pakisran were same once and rajasthan is right next to pakistan so some of their ancestors can be a few mile from rajasthan right after all ancient rajasthan had more similarities to ancient pakistan than ancien south and east india
idiots theyre from both india and pakistan. besides they arent indian though, theyve been in europe for 1500 years, dont associate them with us
When I was a kid, my mother used to tell me that if I behaved badly she would sell me to the gypsies 0_0
Orca Whale They told me the similar stuff to me as a child. We used to hide and lock ourselves for hours from them whenever we heard that they were coming to town.
Well mate for sure your Romanian 😂😂
Thats racist. I am a gypsy. But yes i understand some of gypsies are pretty bad.
Orca Whale SAMEE. I was terrified
Ondřej Ganyo no
Few years ago, when the Roma (Gypsy) Taxi driver in Frankfurt to my amazement almost
understood my conversation with my wife in the native tongue of Rajasthan, a north western
state in India, I decided to work on this and find out how.
Since the Taxi Driver understood the language of Rajasthan, I went through the history of
Rajasthan or Rajputana as it was originally called and discovered that there was a huge exodus
of the tired soldiers of the army of great Rajput King Prithviraj Chauhan around 1050 AD who
,as the history says, fought 17 wars with Mohammed Ghauri. Most left with women folks
leaving empty villages. Most Roma belong to the fine Rajput warrior caste and others were
farmers called Jat who also were in the army.
While the great king was keen on continuing battles, many soldiers did not want to fight more
wars and stayed at home. For a Rajput staying at home during war was a stigma. They were
taunted for staying home at the time of war.
Therefore, as a folk song of Rajasthan says, they left their native land in groups. They left from
no other part of India. Some went west and are called Gypsies or Roma now and some went
down to south India where they still are in their red and yellow color clothes and with
huge mustache. You can see them on google by clicking "Lambada in south India". I am from
Rajasthan but live in south Indian city of Hyderabad and hence see Lambadas daily.
I was further shocked again when our Gypsy (Lambada) maid mostly understood an old
Hungarian Roma lady talking in Romani about Nazi atrocities on a BBC program on TV while I
understood it by reading the English captions. Apparently, the two ladies 9000 miles away
now spoke same language spoken about 1000 years ago in their land of origin. We being from
Rajasthan still use many of their words.
On the way to west, Roma took words from Persian like bibi and many other tongues including
Greek (drost for road) and from Armenian and so on. Also, few joined them on the way from
Sindh, another Indian province,now in Pakistan. They are still called Sinti within Roma and
words like laklo, lakli, chavo are from Sindhi.
They somehow lost their surnames of fine Rajput warrior clans. Roma may try to find surnames
like Sisodia, Chauhan ,Shekhawat, Nainavat Rathore, etc. But they kept first Indian names until
19th century like Amos Bihari and his daughter Panna Cinkova, both great Roma musicians from
Hungary. Panna meaning Emerald is a pure Rajasthani name not used in other parts of India.
You may look in Google for “Panna Cinka ". If they were not Indians, why otherwise would they
have Indian names in Europe in the year 1711?
Today Roma use many of the words from Rajasthani (or Marwari) and Hindi, both of Sanskrit
origin. Few are ek do trin nak(nose) bal(hair)angusth(finger) bersh(year) diwas(day)
sassusussro ( mother and father in law, from rajasthani) saaloSali (brother and sister in law
from Rajasthani) chora(boy) chori(girl) cior(chor, meaning thief)) gia sov, thalle, upralpurano
(old ), dukh, kasht, tato, langhal(lame) maang, des, lajja and so on. About half are from
Rajasthani and Hindi both of which originate from Sanskrit. I know hundreds. There are
thousands. Luis Mori, another Roma has sent me a huge list of Romani words which I match
with my Roma maid's vocabulary. Sometimes grammar has changed to European style, like we
would say sov gia and Roma would say gia sov. Same meaning though. Has slept.
Also, all Indian languages including today's Rajasthani has two yous, one for Junior and one for
senior. Romani and the language of Lambada even today have only one you which is "tu" used
for Juniors and for very close ones which must have been so 1000 years ago.
Romani words are from pre-Muslim era in India and hence pure Sanskrit like hiv(him in
Sanskrit) for snow or ice is used while we in India now say barf which is Persian. Please go to
the following in RUclips to see more. “Romani an Indian lost
Language”ruclips.net/video/UJvn7nLeZaI/видео.html by Adriano, an Italian Roma from whom I have learned
much and also“Roma girl from Kosovo goes to India.....”ruclips.net/video/q6HfenInNEA/видео.html
All Roma had mustache which was necessary for Rajput warriors. Purity codes of Roma were
till recently practiced in India like Roma breaking the plate if animal licked it. My mother used
to give the plates to beggars if our dog ever licked it even once. Also, food once served on table
but not eaten does not go back to Fridge or saved for eating later. That is why death rate within
Roma during great European plague was so low as claimed by scholars.
Roma had also carried our proverbs like "while choosing a daughter in law, believe your ears
more than eyes” meaning reputation of the girl's family was more important than her beauty.
Another common proverb is "If the road is crooked, you can't walk straight."
Roma eventually lost their religion, quite understandably but Sara kali of southern France is a
Hindu deity of Goddess kali favourite of Rajputs. The deity is immersed in water body every
year like we do in India. The Vatican has not recognized this deity as it has no link to
Christianity. Romani also has an unusual word"trishul" from Sanskrit and Hindi meaning a spear
with three fingers. This spear is associated with Hindu God Mahadev or Shiva and the war cry of
Rajputs Regiment in India till today is " Har har Mahadev".
Please see on You tube "Dr. Ian Hancock: Keynote Address at Romani Studies Conference, UC
Berkeley" ruclips.net/video/NTsqiP196Uw/видео.html. Dr. Hancock who is a Roma makes very scholastic
analysis of Romani history from European side. He successfully dismantles myths like Roma are
old Jews or from Egypt or came from within the earth. He establishes that Roma indeed came
from India.However he has not said much about which part of India are they from and which
language from India they speak. He only mentions "Indian Language" while there is nothing like
Indian Language. We have hundreds of languages. India had hundreds of independent
kingdoms. Rajputana, as Rajasthan was called then had many kingdoms too. Prithviraj Chauhan
was the king of Ajmer in central Rajasthan from whose army Roma came.
He also links Romani with Sanskrit while truth is that Romani has words from Rajasthani and
Hindi alone both of which originate from Sanskrit. Romani is made of languages which have
Sanskrit base and directly from Sanskrit. There are many words in Romani which none else from
India except those from Rajasthan will understand like tato meaning hot. He also says Roma are
Doms who burn dead bodies which is certainly not true. Doms live about 1000 miles away from
Rajasthan and are dark skinned.
Many Roma have come to Delhi and Jaipur in Rajasthan to get their DNA tested and were
doubly assured of their Rajasthan roots.
Also, one may see on RUclips " Romani Dances in India-Kalbelia "youtu.be/E-
Y9sUl4i4Iof Rajasthan which is same as Flamingo dance of the Roma. Even the dress of the
dancers are same.
As a student in the US during seventies, I saw some slightly brown students speaking language
somewhat familiar to me. They said they were new Roma migrants to the US from Spain but I
did not know about Roma at that time.
I have received many mails from some Roma stating Roma were Doms and untouchables from
India and so on. This should not be true. First, there are no Doms in Rajasthan. Second, Roma
who came to south still have mostly Rajput surnames or "Gotras" and very few Bhil (a jungle
tribe, but soldiers too) surnames. Gotras or lineages dont change in India. Third, down trodden
and timid would not venture leaving home to travel thousands of miles and fourth, Doms are
very dark even for Indian standards while Roma are not. Fifth, Romani has many war related
words including a word for prisoner of war as Dr. Hancock says. Only a martial clan would use
and keep alive these words.
There should be no doubt that Roma are our lost pral and Pena (We would say pra and behna).
Hats off to them to keep the language and culture alive even after 50 generations while
humanity in the entire world now melts away in two generations.
I am in contact with many European Roma from whom I gather some new facts time to time. I
have also gathered the above information from history of Rajasthan.
ShriprakashLoya
shree709@gmail.com
A scholarly review that I found very intriguing.
This is really in depth. Goes to show how wild humanity can be.
I am not reading all that. WRAP IT UP!
@@ivankacic2808 Ok, wuick recap, Roma (Gypsies) come from Rajasthan in Northern India, and began migrating in waves to Europe as a result of a very destructive war. Most European Roma still speak the Rajasthani language.
Why do they keep moving and don’t settle in one place? Why are they light skinned and blue eyed if they don’t mix with europian much how did they get these DNA also why do they love dancing and their culture
Like they were originally ran out soldiers why do they have this culture
I’m genuinely curious
I am a gypsy and I own my own home, been to college, pay my bills and so on. My Daughter has been to university and is a school teacher. I have two sons, the eldest has bought his own home and the youngest lives in a property that belongs to my husband & I . They both have jobs. I must add that my family and my self have never stolen anything in our lives .
You, huns, are not wihte either. The lady is not hungraian gypsi, not mixed with not white huns but wihte indoeuropeans. You came form the mongolian steppes and your culture is not compatible with european culture. Let's add that in Hugary the mayority do everything to make obstacles for gipsies, discritminate us in education and labourmarket. Now the story is full. Yours is just the half of it. Yes, most us "your" people is racist, and it is the case. Tisztelet a kivételnek.
Sure you are, and the Europeans in Israel are Jews, the Europeans in Australia are aboriginals and the Europeans in the Americas are indigenous. Good one.
This is a thing named
Caring about your kids, and country
And having a brain
And being responsable
You dont look like a gypsy
"YoU donT loOk liKe a romAnI" these comments are so dumb. Romani are very diverse, they've been in Europe for hundreds of years, they're obviously gonna look mixed. Some Romani are very white looking and some look full indian. Yall are uneducated and it shows
I'm a Gypsy, I live in the US. That said, this video is very accurate and I appreciate you covering it with such detail. In the US we're not very well known as we don't make up a significant portion of the population as we do in Europe, so we aren't faced with much persecution here.
i'm technically a Gypsy, though i don't really partake in the culture- but seeing these comments hurt. people labeling us as thieves and stupid and worthless. it's upsetting. especially when the culture is so beautiful-
@@vince2936 99 percent of us are crooks and theives, i gave up that life... kudav tu muy te kudel o beng.. if your "technically gypsy "what did i just say..
nicko konovalov i said i don't partake in the culture. the last person in my family who knew the language that my Roma family spoke in hungary is dead.
@@vince2936 don't get upset ,not everyone is a thief
Get out from USA
As someone raised in a traditional Gypsy family, I find this video to be a very rare and informative piece. Very well balanced and researched. You've earned a Sub.
Phoenix McShannon do u guys have a similar culture
Can I ask you something? The gypsies themselves seem to genuinely believe that they are descendants of the Pharaoh. This is seen in many of their culture (especially gypsy flamenco in Spain). What's the deal with that?
@Malik Hj banjara community in india
@Malik Hj Even their language is called Sindhi. Just like one of the biggest groups of Gypsies in Europe is called Sindhi. People from there even kinda look like European Gypsies.
@Bengal Sultan no they are very pale my girlfriend is from northern india and she is very pale although she is not a gypsie but she is from nagaland....
A few DNA tests could resolve so many mysteries...
it did for me.
David O'Banion no, it’s actually don’t we tried also
Dna tests arent as accurste as people think.
Alexander Ravenson so could the Gypsies accutally be Egyptian?
@@vacantvminds2428 it seems a possibility yes.
It's important to note that the minority of them who actually chose to assimilate did so successfully. The EU has strict laws against discrimination at the workplace so as long as they are willing to prove themselves they will have jobs. Also, they most definitely can move across borders. I recommend googling what happened when they got into London in 2015.
They definitely are not denied employment rights since they are just plain lazy. I’m not generalising every gypsy like that. Very few of them do work.
@@Missyprincess719 The ones who do work don't call themselves Gypsy because they fear discrimination so you rarely hear/see a normal hard working Gypsy.
@@MeneTekelUpharsin exactly, my private teacher who knew i was gypsy told the other student, first thing she said was ''my mom said they are all thieves'' and people wonder why i hide it. in fact my family tree are all so cool and hardworking.
@@Missyprincess719 well if for hundreds of year people been saying to you that you are lazy and a thief i guess why not just embrace that lol. European called them lazy not because they are realy lazy but because they don't fit with the same mentality and culture of settled European. So to European their lifestyle seems like lazy, but for them taking a permanent jobs means you have to settle and buy home and that is against their culture. So they will only take a job that enable them to move around whenever they want.
@@wewenang5167 gypsies broke into my grandmas house
This is awesome. My great great grandfather was Henry Taylor, a Romani Gypsy who is documented as being involved with some Birmingham gangs back in the early 1900s. My grandfather never knew his family, his dad left when my grandfather was born. My grandfathers mother passed away giving birth so he was eventually adopted and moved to America under a different name. He did a ton of genealogy and family tree digging to find out who his family was over the years. Tons of really cool stuff. My great great great grandfather (Henry's father) was a full blown Romani. Hung around Black Patch Park in Birmingham with other families such as the Boswell's, Hearn's, Lee's and Gray's. My grandfather has pages of documented stuff that he's found over the years.
By order
@@metwin09 of the peaky fookin blinders
Oh my gawd. That's really really cool
Was your grandfather’s name Michael?
@@vesperibanez7537 last episode soon 🥲
In Germany, we aren't allowed tho call them “Zigeuner“ anymore. It's a racial slur. We have to refer to them as “Sinti und Roma“
Here in the Netherlands nobody gives a shit unless it's on formal television, like the news.
But I guess, even though the word 'zigeuner' is the same here, it doesn't have the load of WWII to it.
I don't think we say zigenare here in Sweden too.. They Swedish people say rom.. But I am not a rom I am a traveler 😂
They are named gypsies, if you call them roma you are automatically racist by insulting my country Romania.
@@dexter7399 Idiot.
@@sairhug they are named gypsies not roma idiot.
Ah, okay. So Khajiit are Skyrims version of real life gypsies.
GenuinelyJake haha yes
Don’t disrespect Khajits like that
Altin Bey don’t disrespect Romani like that
The khajit culture also has some inspiration from Indonesian culture
I can personally confirm this. I was born in Bulgaria in 2000 and was adopted to Denmark as a kid. I took a DNA test a few months back and my results were quite typical for a roma/gypsie. 50% Indian, about 30% Greek and approximately 15% Balkan as well as a few small chunks divided into Italy, Spain, Ashkenazi Jewish etc. - This march I travelled to Bulgaria to find my biological family and after only a few hours of searching in the town that was described in my adoption papers, we found a very friendly couple that helped us search for our biological parents (later it would be revealed that the guy was my cousin). Later when we found my mother, father and 11 siblings I talked to them about their origin since there aren't many good sources for information regarding their origin. My biological mother told me that there is a story that one mothers tells to her daughter and carries from generation to generation. It is about their ancestors and how they were the low social class in India about 10.000 years ago. Many lived from farming but at some point they ran out of 'ressources'. (I don't know what she meant and I thought it was best not to ask more about it). Therefore some decided to travel. Some split on their way and therefore some went to the eastern side of Africa. In many countries they were welcomed and some were later 'expelled' - she couldn't quite tell me why but I believe there had been some kind of conflict. Appearently this made them very introverted.. They are very proud and are absolutely loving, talented musically and will do everything for their families - even if it means stealing from others (though it should be noted that some don't - especially if they have work). For some they can appear cold and ungrateful but she thought that it maybe was because some had felt decieved or/and betrayed many years ago *another note: They were treated the same ways as jews, but by some reason they are rarely mentioned in history contexts*. I didn't quite get it all since I had a translator with me and he couldn't understand everything that they were saying because bulgarian is their 2nd language and they had another accent. She also said that, that for them it is considered a myth and simply a good story to tell their children, so she couldn't comfirm anything since no one has written it down. She said that it is because their language is only a spoken language. They don't use letters or writing in general.. Therefore it is also quite typical for them to be dyslexic even though they are very smart. Personally, I've never had any trouble reading or anything, but many of my siblings in Bulgaria were dyslexic. I told her about my DNA test and I guess it confirms her story. If anyone is adopted and believe they come from a roma family or have any questions, you are more than welcome to contact me on my E-mail address: michaelfrsig@gmail.com
It is kind of sad. They were low castes in India and migrated to Europe with the hopes of better lives and ended up becoming low castes in Europe as well. Particularly everyone forgets Nazi's genocide of Romani but remembers Jewish holocaust.
@@sriharshacv7760 ^^
I don't think that low social status was the main factor for their immigration to Europe. Their earliest record of arrival dates back to around the 13th century. Which is around when islamic invader were attacking India .
inidans are ugly, stupid (average IQ of 80 something), that's why they are not welcome anywhere.
@@sriharshacv7760they were not from the lower caste. After the Mahmud gajanavi s brutal attack on India gajanavi took them as slaves. So the reason for their exit from India was muslim invasions
I was born in Hungary, but grew up in the United States. On a trip to my country of birth to visit family I was honestly shocked at how blatantly racist some ethnic Hungarians were towards the gypsies. I do have several Roma gypsies in my family through marriage, including several of my dad‘s cousins.
For a good reason
Europe for Europeans.
@@Phantom_Michael Hungarians are not European. They are asiatic as much as gypsies. Everyone came from somewhere, half of the Europe arent natives .
@@Phantom_Michaelthey are Europeans more than u
The amount of racism against Romani people is staggering
Gypsies frequent my village, alot of the time they are no problem and pass through, without issue, but there are way too many instances where groups have left their sites like a local tip and forced my community to clean up after themselves.
I mean i don't care if they come, my town needs the business, but for crying out loud just respect where we live and we will respect you. Same to fly tippers.
That's fake Irish gypsies lol
Peaky blinders brought me here. Tho I've always wondered this.
The thing about Peaky Blinders is that in many ways it was implied that the Shelbies were actually Irish travellers (which means they are not Roma people). Yet they call themselves Roma too. So it's like, they never actually clarify if they are Irish travellers or Roma. And I think it's because the producers don't even know the difference
@@javierperalta7648 The Shelbys are mixed race. Their father is Irish or a Tinker and a Roma. Their mother is full Roma that is why they are white complexion
By the order of the...
@@ColtonT13 if their mom is full Roma they would be dark lol. That one of the main reasons their people get discriminated.
@@Bando-fx4mf Neé String was said to be full Roma but maybe she had English ancestry as well idk
THere are 2 types of comments below this video. Those who faced this culture in their lives and those who didn't but tries to act modern equility performace.
Exactly
Not being able to comprehend reality vs ideas.. I would say it is just sign of stupidity and narrow mindness.
Tomas Puodziukynas You can't change a culture in one day. You can try to attrack them to your way of life, to your culture. But if they don't find it appealing at all, there's nothing else to do. I am speaking from my own experience, as a teacher of adult people. Luckily I have had the opportunity to teach several Gypsy people and I have seen they keep some values we have lost in this individualistic modern world. I have also seen how much they are in need but still they respect who respects them. Sometimes I feel we, as people, fail to understand other people who have decided to walk a different path.
If you let somone in your home, you expect that guest to follow and respect your basig rules?
Tomas Puodziukynas What do you mean with "your home"? Can it be "your country"? If you mean a literal home then, I agree with you. If you mean a country then I disagree because the rules that apply to us today change along history and, let's be honest, there are some rules that are unfair but I accept because otherwise I could end up in jail. Think of those rules that protect and give priviledges to the powerful and leave defenseless the most vulnerable. Countries and societies are alive when they constantly update and renew themselves.
I had 2 teenage gypsies approach me while I was in Germany holding signs that said they were deaf. They held their hands out for money but I said no. After I said no they scoffed at me and walked away. 5 minutes later I turned around a corner and saw them talking on their cellphones.
Well i must say we are not the only ones that steel do bad things when we go to jail we are not the only race in the jail everyone in the jail are mostly your own Pepole and no one talking shit about yohr nabors and family in there every race and famliy has a bad appel in it so the ones saying your not being racist piss off
We have hearing non-gypsy/Romani people do that here in the USA, too. White, black, Latino, etc. They even have cards made up to hand to people. This isn't a gypsy/romani issue.
I am A Roma gypsy myself and have had deaf gypsy's trying to sell paintings at my door haha. Once I told him that I was gypsy he soon shot off. Still for the life of me can't figure out how he understood what I said.
B1GGZY85 katar san?
@@pavlotheproducer1473 Wales. UK
Discrimination? They really are a pain in the ass though. This isn't me being racist. It me speaking from experience
true
Kevin Myerson then you need a hearing test
Turkey how can someone be a traitor to something that doesn't exist? Genetics solved it for good there's no such thing as race.
Paranormal Encyclopedia yeah, you're wrong
Dude, get a life. Calling every single comment that points out the problems with this group of people racist is not going to change the fact that they are right.
I'm not German but damn you sure butchered that ziegoiner
I guess working on the pronunciation of each would have taken too much time
Or about ten minutes, but yeah, he routinely murders foreign languages in those videos. A shame because, for the most part, they're entertaining and he has an excellent diction.
And it would be nice if my actual last name wasn't butchered into approximately "grow-what the fuck ever dude..." BUT you just can't get expectations too high... so just laugh, it's easier..:o)
yes, well done, you would use a sound like in "groin" to pronounce "geuner", so writing it like this "Ziegoiner", is pretty close to the actual pronunciation :)
Nope. "Z" in German needs to be transcribed to "Ts" for it to come out right in English. (Which Jiddish actually does).
Im sinto from slovenia ,i can say only that - we are all made of stars from dust to dust and ashes to ashes ,we all have one of the dna from eva in africa .got have mercy on aur souls.mei hum sinto ,mai mei drosi glaiza dav na vek.hum ti cao ha ani hofunga ,u hailigepas del man ruva ,ti fraida anu zii.deva lei men nah men ham doh tire tchave.
India is a rather large and diverse place. Can they narrow it down more, or is "come from India" the best they can do?
Probably from Rajasthan or Gujarat or Panjab side of region. But i suppose, it's Rajasthan.
When I was growing up, a Gypsy carnival passed through our old neighborhood every summer. Over the years, I became friends with them and and they showed me how their prize games worked, and which prizes were impossible to win. I miss their passing through to this day.
if you good to people they will be good to you, the idiots here dont get that
contrary to popular belief, but gipsies don't do carnivals for a living. the carnival that passed through your old neighbourhood was your own sort of people. ie none gypsys who chose a nomadic lifestyle. and if you were swindled by them in any way, then your own sort did it to you. which is nothing new, your governments have been doing it for a very, very, long time.
Constant Chaos bullfuckingshit. These people spit right in our faces. Fuck out of here you dumb libtard.
@@thecraplordsell4575 well I'm sure with your sunny demeanor you likely did something to them first lmfao
@Brie Flyyy I'm sorry what?
The Irish gypsy's were descendants of the cottiers who were evicted by the landlords in the famine of 1845-1850 they lost their land in the famine and they never got it back.
My only exposure to Roma were attempted pickpockets (teens) in Chisinau and Bucharest. Not the best first impression.
Cyberwar101 Move there and prove him wrong. Otherwise, shut up.
a lot of the picketpocket kids are bribed out of tribes with a job offer for a better job, then forced to work as a pickpocket, as they don't speak the language, have no money of their own, etc.
At least blacks go to school, work (for the most part) and live in houses
"live in houses" you are a better person because you live in a house
many of them have houses
Twat..
My great grandparents were Gypsy, and I take after my grandmother and her parents by far the most from my heritage. But I can get near zero information from my family, they go out of their way to hide and erase that section of our family tree. I feel such an outsider in my own family now. My grandmother told me many stories when I was very little, most I can only remember tiny bits from, and no one else will even discuss it.
I wish I could connect with my heritage, but since that is not possible as I have zero ways to prove any of it with my family stonewalling me. I guess maybe I should be happy I look passingly European, no one can hate me if I look white, living in rural USA.
Pretty sad that your family have had to hide who they are just to pretty much fit into general society. My grandfather generation tried to do the same but it didn't work.
Kevin J DNA
Hey men greetings from your indian brother
So sorry that your family are reluctant to get into a dialogue with you. My half Romany grandmother and full Romany great grandmother both died in the mid1940s in the UK*, so I had no chance - until researching my family tree in later life - to even meet anyone with a strong link to my Romany family tree.
*Both married non-Roms, as did my quarter Rom mother, so I am only one eighth Romany. The scary fact is, that if I'd been born a few decades earlier in Germany and had had children with a non-Rom during the Nazi regime, those children would have been caught up in the 'Porajmos' (Romany genocide), because having just ONE SIXTEENTH 'gypsy' blood was enough for consignment to the gas chambers.
Don't give up! Perhaps if you research your family tree and find links outside of your immediate family, you will strike gold? I did!
When I was around 50 years of age, through a chance contact I made online of her great-niece, I met up with the very elderly daughter of my great grandmother's sister. She was amazing - such a lovely, welcoming lady. I was able to ask her questions which became several pages of fascinating memoirs. Although she only vaguely remembered her Aunt Susan (my great grandma), and only knew of my grandma (her cousin) by family rumours (tip: never dismiss family rumours!), she had two photos which had been passed down by her by her mother of my great grandma, who I'd never seen an image of before, and four photos of my grandma ... where I'd only had one, previously.
Oh, and those family rumours? One that my mum (despite losing her mum AND maternal grandma before when she was 5) knew about was that we were somehow related to the world-famous Romany evangelist, Gipsy Rodney Smith (a precursor in evangelical fame and influence to Billy Graham). After a lot of research (not helped by a key ancestor having used her mother's maiden name as her surname when she got married ... a not uncommon Romany peccadillo!) I was able to confirm he was the first cousin of the aforementioned Susan's mother, Naomi. Imagine my amazement to discover that Gipsy Smith wrote his (best-selling) memoirs in 1901, and in them recounted several stories of Naomi's father - his beloved Uncle Bartholomew, and my 3 x great grandfather - including the circumstances of his death and his last words. There was even a photograph of Bartholomew in the autobiography. Mind-blowing.
I've also met the descendant of a brother of Naomi's - who emigrated from England to Canada in the early years of the 1900s and also became a well-known evangelist. She was also able to provide both photos and the memoirs of her ancestor and we've kept in touch and become good friends over the years.
So ... the moral of this story is ... get digging! It might take years, but if you persevere you never know what you will turn up. Good luck / kushti bok!
All I was told when mum had to admit gift I had…one other sister has….never told anything….dad I can take back to 1066…but only told you come from gypsies not tinkers…she was Irish background…..
We hindus of india are with our gypsy brother please settle in india we call them banjaras in india they have special rights in india. Come here
then take them back please
@@messianic_scam we will take them back u take our Muslims, deal??
@@shivamsinghrawat9910
they are you ppl no?!
@we do a little trolling
you don't want your people how does the rest of the world feel!
Im pissed. Typed roma into google, autocorrected to roman, typed romani, autocorrected to romania, TYPED ROMANY, AUTOCORRECTED TO ROMAN
Just type gypsy and you're good to go.
Thanks sir for discussing gypsy.i am from india i care for their wellbeings as they are our old family.please give them job and treat equal as a minority.and give nomadic id to travel in europe .because they are nomadic people respect their culture and prserve them and take care of them.joshi from india
I think India should stop making so many kids because you mixed a lot of countrys with your genetic. Just stop
The French word 'gitan/gitane' is said with a soft 'g' at the beginning, pronounced like in the name Django Reinhardt (a famous 'gitan' jazz musician, who grew up in a community outside Paris). Gitanes are also a brand of cigarette in France. The preferred word is 'Rom', though.
Thank you so much for this video. Basically EVERYONE does not know the story of "gypsies" and what a unique people that they are. It's a truly amazing journey.
To all the SJW who defend them without ever meeting one, you are lucky for not meeting them. And all your possessions.
thats straight up dumb, i am a good person who betters the lives of those around him and it would be anyone's privilege to meet me, and there are more important things to worry about than your possessions, that is such a harmful mindset
yeah dude you are a good guy , who literally replied on someone else's comment saying you would fight anyone who didn't call you romani instead of a gypsy , you're such a good guy man , confucking gratz
who the fuck are you kidding , you and many more like you are the reason why people look down on you, because there are more people that do wrong shit than people that are actually decent, just like you
You Are Racist Idiot.
@@medusachristo3725 For what? Speaking the truth?
I was surprised that there weren’t many offensive comments here…then I realized racist people wouldn’t come here to educate themselves
I am a polish gypsy myself, thanks for this video.
ANTYSEMITYZM = ANTYCYGANIZM
@@moniidzia bruh what
Two years ago when the Roma Taxi driver in Bucharest almost understood my conversation with my wife in the native tongue of Rajasthan, a north western state, I decided to spend time on this and find out how.
According to records Roma left India around 1050. They were the tired soldiers of the army of great Rajput King Prithviraj Chauhan who fought 17 wars with Mahmood gajnavi. All Roma belong to fine Rajput warrior caste. They did not want to fight more wars and for a Rajput staying at home during war was unacceptable.
Therefore they left their native land. Some went west and some went down to south India where they still are in their red and yellow colour clothes and huge moustache. You can see them on youtube by clicking "Lambada in south India"
I was shocked again when our Gypsy (Lambada) maid understood a Roma lady on BBC program while I read the English captions.
On the way to west, Roma took words from Persian (like bibi for Kaki) and many other tongues including Greek (drost for road). They somehow lost their last names of fine Rajput warrior clans. Roma may try to find surnames like Sisodia, Chauhan, Shekhawat, Nainavat etc. But they kept first Indian names until 19th century like Bihari and his daughter Panna of Romania, both great musicians.
Today Roma use many of the words from Rajasthani, Hindi and of Sanskrit origin. Few are ek do trin yak nak bal angusth bersh diwas sassu sussro saalo Sali chora chori cior(chor) gia sov kammes thalle upral purano maal,thalle and so on. I know hundreds. There are thousands. Romani words are from pre Muslim era in India and hence pure Sanskrit lik hiv for snow or ice. Please go to the following in RUclips to see more. “Romani an Indo Aryan Language” and “Roma girl from Kosovo finds her roots in India”
All Roma had moustache which was necessary for Rajput warriors. Purity codes of Roma are still practiced in India like a lady not entering the kitchen during few days of the month and Roma breaking the plate if animal licks it. My mother used to plates to beggars if our dog licked it.
Roma had also carried our proverbs like "while choosing a daughter in law believe your ears more than eyes” meaning reputation of the girl's family was more important than her beauty. Would native Europeans choose a daughter in law? Another proverb is "If the road is crooked, you can't walk straight."
Roma eventually lost their religion, quite understandably but Sara kali of southern France has favourite Rajput deity of Goddess kali. The deity is immersed in water body like we do in Rajasthan.
Please see "Dr. Ian Hancock: Keynote Address at Romani Studies Conference, UC Berkeley" which a scholastic. There should be no doubt that Roma are our lost pral and Pena. Hats off to them to keep the language and culture alive even after 50 generations while we melt away in two generations. Any Roma may communicate with me on shree709@gmail.com. I am a 65 years old factory owner from Hyderabad, India originating from Rajasthan where Roma come from and I have gathered the above in my two years research.
they are "Gaddiya Lohar(blacksmith)" of rajasthan. They fought for maharana pratap not prithviraj chauhan...everyone knows that i wonder why you dont
@@abhinavsharma5935 Lambadas who came to south have Rajput names like Shekhavat, Chauhan etc. Lohara don't have these names. Part of the the same clan went west.
Source of belief that they were from Rana Pratap army?
@@abhinavsharma5935 Yes from Nagaur. My grandfather migrated to Hyderabad.
In my factory there are many Lambadas, male and female. Very fair. With names like Chauhan, Sisodia, shekhawat etc. First names still are Suguna, Kanhaiyalal, etc. Many changed but not last names.Recently a Rajput family from Rajasthan took a lambada girl from our factory in marriage.
Also Bhils like Balya, vadthya from Bhil community are in Lambadas but are dark.
1000 years ago there was no reason to imitate Rajput names names when one has left the motherland anyway. Practice may be prevailing in Rajasthan.
@@shree709 i am not sure what you're trying to say exactly. They are not Rajput.... You can choose to believe whatever you want it's your right. But that's doesn't change the fact. It is what it is.
@@abhinavsharma5935 I am sure you know the facts. That is your logic. I agree.
Just found out that I have Gypsy heritage and connecting to many of my Gypsy cousins.
Your really pretty tho ❤️
I am an American who lives in Latvia and come from a Hispanic back ground. Because of my skin color I get mistaken for a gypsy and have had to deal with being stero typed. That is until I pull oit my USA passport and then how quickly they become nice to me.
I have adopted 2 Latvians and 1 Romi. The looks I get in Europe when my white Latvian kids call me daddy in front of others.
As for my Romi son, because we are both brown skin, I tell him to walk tall and let the people think what they want. Our actions will speak for them self that we are not thieves. It is funny when we go into town and get these stares from people. I tell my Romi son people are not used to seeing two well dressed and educated gypsy before. We don't fit their box of racist thinking.
My nickname in my last year of high school was Gypsy. I had my DNA test and it turns out that it is one of my top blood's ❣️
dead inside You can’t tell by DNA if you’re a Gypsies. Irish, Romanian etc etc can tell you race but not chosen lifestyle. Sorry.
@@CaptainAngelo okay I have Romani blood..why do you have to be a stickler or should I say stick in the mud. Take the log out of your eye before you try to remove the speck out of mine...
thank you for teaching about my people with respect.
Hey bro greetings from your indian brother
I'm Spanish and grew up in a gypsy estate, I now live in England and I'm married to an English gypsy, Spanish and English gypsies are VERY different in tradition, culture and lifestyle
It is unthinkable in Spain for a non gypsy man to marry a gypsy woman where here it seems a lot more common, if this happened in Spain we would have had to flee to stop her family from killing us both, here her family have been amazing with me, they see me as one of them
I have seen them in Rajasthan, complete with wagons, and wrist to elbow ivory bracelets on the women.
Yes
We are the best bread in all man kind. We get a bad name through a small amount of them. We have good hearts mean well and want the best for everyone
Are you Gypsy?
I am from gypsy heritage from North India but live in UK and I am a tax payer
This is well researched, and it helped me understand my heritage
So many people in the comments complaining about "racism," but let me just tell you why you're wrong. I am not a racist person, I believe that everyone should be treated equally, regardless of ethnicity or culture. However, having grown up in a country where I have to face gypsies every single time I leave the house, always begging me for money, it becomes tiring and I've developed a hatred for most of them. I appreciate the gypsies who actually work and try to make a living for themselves, but they're a minority within a minority. Most gypsies just beg at the age of 25 so they can feed their 10 children. And it's not like the government hasn't tried to integrate them; they've built apartment buildings for them and tried to get them to work, but those buildings are now in an even worse state than older buildings in Romania, because that's just how they are. There are some rather extreme comments promoting genocide, but, honestly, there is no possible way to integrate them. And that is why I and many other people have come to hate gypsies. Also the fact that they're now calling themselves "romani" because "gypsy" became a "racial slur". You did that yourself, gypsy wouldn't be a racial slur if you hadn't made a name for yourselves as thieves, liars and criminals. I do not wish to hate gypsies, but that's currently the case for me.
Yeah you are racist... You are seeing problems (don't get me wrong, i'm not denying the existence of the problems) and focus to find the cause of these problems within their "race". So to say that you are not a racist is being a freaking hypocrite. That's basic racism 101. Why is there so much racism against black people in the us? Because there are problems, but they exist because of poverty and social discrimination. Their "race" is just the reason how they got to be in that situation.
Robb Reyne Racism would be discriminating against them purely based on their race, which I don't do. I know that there are gypsies who work hard and stuff, what I was stating was simply an observation I have made over the past years I've lived here. I never said all of them are this way.
Robb Reyne Also, don't compare that to the situation of black people.You can see it in this video that their situation is completely different and black people actually try to integrate themselves, unlike gypsies.
yeah because their cultural differences are bigger and the history of discrimination is far longer than that of the afro-americans, which of course makes it harder to tackle these problems, but still doesn't make the reasons for it any less true. "but they don't want to integrate themselves, but are still living in their own communities" (not quoting) still could be said about afro-americans "they live in their hoods inside their black communities" . just read all the comments here and imagine that you are a gypsy, would you really want to interact with them? discrimination isn't always based on one reason, and if the race is "only" one part of it, it is still racism.
I'm not very well informed on the history of afro-americans, so I can't say how similar their situations are, but I've never known of any marches or protests of the gypsies for their freedom, the only one I remember is them protesting that their name is changed from "gypsies" to "rroma". And the government has tried to integrate them, at least in my country, and it was definitely them who didn't accept the integration. For afro-americans, wasn't it that the government was refusing to integrate them?
As for the racist comments, yes, some of them are blatantly racist without giving any reasons, but I have given my reasons for not particularly admiring most gypsies, and I think they are well-justified. I've met gypsies in my life who also disagree with their fellows and have the same opinion as I do on this topic, more or less. Also, a gypsy probably wouldn't speak English well enough to read most of these comments and a lot of them don't even have a place to live, so the ones I am talking about can't be offended by these comments. I know that there are civilized gypsies, and I very much admire them for standing up to their peers, but unfortunately, there are not enough of them for me and most of the people I know to actually admire and respect gypsies as a whole.
If you're a Roma watching this, please return this computer to it's rightful owner.
Daniel Gill I'm using a phone. that I bought with my own money. That I earn. From working.
But...this is my computer? Then who do I give it back to?
Daniel Gill
LMFAO
quite amusing, if its in jest, well played, if not then thats unfortunate
Daniel Gill 😂😂😂
isnt it disgusting how the Roma people have been treated over the years and by everyone in all different countries!?...they are just human beings like everyone else, living their lives with whatever means they have. i don't which year these people from india left, but i do know the portuguese inquisition in goa in 1560 left a lot of indians leaving for their lives, although it is thought these were people with land ownership and of hindu, jewish or muslim origins, i am one of those. lot's of wars displace people but also slavery has moved people across continents on those times and people moved for work too.
What does the title have to do with the video contents? Actually, I heard somewhere that gypsies were from India, descendants of a warrior group that had lost their territories and were forced into exile.
Yes, from Indian people called Rajasthan. The language of the Rajasthan is very similar to our romanes language
For some reason that sounds badass
They were forced because of turkish invasion. THEY HAVE INDIAN DESCENT.
Millions of them were killed in the afghan region. The place was renamed after the massacre as Hindukusch. The grave of the Hindus. Some fled to the west. But were again persecuted by the Christians.
Then it’s been a fight for them to survive and keep their link to motherland. They haven’t assimilated to Europe cause assimilation was very different just less than a century back in Europe.
I’m 25% gypsy due to my biological father and my entire life growing up, my mom used to tell me she was ashamed of having me because I was part gypsy and I wasn’t allowed to let anyone know.
Oh, honey - that's awful. In my family tree research I have heard similar accounts, especially from the older generations. I'm also 25%, though, and was never made to feel ashamed ... on the contrary, amongst all the 'boring' people in my family tree, the Romany branch is a rare breath of fresh air! I think people were so much more judgmental back then .... it was part of the culture. Gradually things are getting better .... the 'stigma' of being born out of wedlock, for example, is way less, now.
Many great artists were Romani. Nothing to be ashamed of. Many of the dance forms of Europe were taken from Romani. Actually a lot to be proud of.
Apologies if this is an insensitive question, but, if she's bigoted against Gypsies, why did she sleep with one? Did she only learn his heritage after the fact? Or did something worse happen?
@@lizzychrome7630 I think it's more of the fact she just hated my father so much she hated everything about him that translated over to me as well
@@aruncv1373 Thank you very much for this comment! As an artist myself, this makes me feel very happy :)
My first impression with gypsies was listening to "Gypsy Kings". Amazing!
I’m a half British and half Gypsy, that’s cool.
Dude I’m starting to really understand why my mothers gypsy ancestors came to America, Jesus lmaoo
I know a family of gypsies who are very sweet and generous people. I remember one time many years ago I had accidentally locked myself out of my house and had to wait for my boyfriend to get off work to come let me in well one of the ladies and her husband let me hang out at their house until I could get in my home. I have known them for years off and on through various places I worked and I am very disappointed and the people on here who judge someone based on stereotype of a race. How would you like it if you were called names or people wish you harm or death. Don't judge a person unless you get to know them or you will be judged by others. Oh and I almost forgot about the time I was short of money and could not by myself lunch for work they helped me out
I'm honored to see this video I'm a gipsy even called tigan,I learned to accept myself that people is racist to me,and there is good people who will stand by my side forever,love yall❤️
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Ce mă cenzurează youtube-ul 😂😂😂😂
RUclips, cred ca ar trebuii sa se numească GypsyTube la cît de mult le ia apărarea la țiganii aștia 😂😂😂
Thanks for this, it was very informative, I remember not once but twice reading about gypsies in wikipedia and never got to understand anything
I had a teacher last year who told us of his trip to Romania. During his trip, a restaurant owner picked up and threw a boy several feet away from my teacher's tourist group, because he believed that he was going to pickpocket them.
They left India in 1050 and not 1500 years ago. We have the records here. I can understand 25 percent of their words. I am from Rajasthan, India.
@The Engineer Guy Dude I visited taj mahal just a month ago
Bonus fact:
As far as I know, the German word "Zigeuner" (/tsigoyner/) actually means "Zieh-Gauner" which is composed of a word meaning to wander / travel around and a word meaning "criminal".
"Making them the continent's largest minority group" isn't that a lot like being the continent's tallest midget or shortest giant?
@@Person16384 yes really
Exactly.
I'm a gypsy, my family is from Hungary Budapest.
No you are from a caravan 😂😂
King Kong Z nope I was born and raised in Chicago Illinois in a big beautiful home. Funny how people talk shit on internet but in person their scared little kittens 🐱! Lol
Alex C that’s right I’m a typical Hungarian Gypsy and ur a typical racist!
i am 50% roma Gypsy and i live in america. even though i live in america i can tell you there is some racism towards gypsies in europe. i was on a app called whisper and i made a post that said i don't know much about roma gypsies even though i am one and there was so much hate towards me flooding in from europe, i acted civilized and nice (kinda sarcastic at times yes) but people didn't care they were rude and told me to get a job, said i probably stole my phone and when i said i worked in a cabinet factory they said stop lying and to go back to running my fair grounds in which i said if i did run a fair you would be my clown. i don't get that hate in america although most americans don't even know gypsy aren't really mystical or just culture let alone a race. even though i can claim the title i guess i cant speak for them in europe but here in america we have native americans. most native americans wouldn't want to assimilate because it would hurt their culture which in the gypsies case might be the same.
When I watched money heist I wondered why nairobi looked like an indian but later got to know she is roma.
The answer is hell..... They come from fucking hell.
What about English,Irish,Polish, Lithuanian and Russian Gypsy people's. Not everyone is a dark skinned Gypsy.
i am assuming you're gypsi
Not all the British gypsy are mix they will not go on TV like me
@@josephjones5099 how do my name is David Jones just wondering how did you end up with the name in a travelling community no offence on my mother's side we're all Martins all of my best nights out in memory is in asite in dunshaughlin drinking for 3 days singing eating slagging arguing with each other all in good fun just and do you think there is a difference between Roma gypsy community and the Irish and English travelling community just wondering as a Jones never seen the name in that community?🖒
@@alwaysgood6200 Romania gypsies tend to take names on that are used in the countries they reside in. My family have been in he UK for many many many years and having taken on names such as Worrell, Smith, Jones, price etc. It is just a way of making society accept them a little more
@@Biggzy85, I look at your comments that most of the shit and you talk wanted and unfriendly without knowing anything about us Roma! I am ethnically Romanian born in Romania! Most Romanians in Romania and many other history lovers should do well to learn history! The majority Romanians in Romania officially denominated themselves until 1862 "valahi". I know very well the history of the Romanian country and of the Romanians and I will honestly tell you that these people who call their country "Romania" and they call themselves Romanians that until 1862 this little country was a kingdom officially called "Wallachia". Authentic Romanians are not even the citizens of Rome, because that is how the Latin Romanians migrated from Troy (Asia Minor, Anatolia), to the Italian peninsula in the eighth century BC. . The Etruscans, are of Semitic (Iranian) descent. This is how the so-called Latin Romanians called their empire after the Etruscan "ruma". From where Romanians, like Trajan, the Roman was Iberian (Lusitanian). The origin of the pre-Romanic languages originated in Iberia. As for Roma, even if you don't believe it, Roma are the first Indo-Europeans. The Roma descend from the Dravidian Indians, which in turn, the Indians descend from the Dravidian African tribes. The Roma descend from an old and great people, who faxed the first 3 major civilizations of the world: the Egyptian, the Mesopotamian and the Indus Valley, called "mohenjo daro and harrapa. Civilization built in 3500 BC.
A term probably not used so much today was getting "gypped" meaning ripped off/short changed originated from the word gypsy.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
My ancestors are gypsies my great great grandpa was the last proper gypsy in the family
Then you have indian dna 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@saheb-jg9nj nah I’m latin my family is Spanish and Cuban
My coworker told me today gypsy was asian. My ancestry is of gypsy. At least they told me don't tell anyone. It
The Roma themselves do not know where we came from. We are more than 15 million around the world, but I know that we have nothing to do with India, that we have a few words in the Punjabi Roma language in India, which does not mean that we are connected to culture. the fact that the Roma are not educated and ranked among the majority is that they have discriminated against them for over 1000 years in Europe, so I think they are no longer trying to rank themselves among the majority, others hiding their identity because of discrimination, unfortunately, we are not welcome, born thousands of years, sometimes I think we are damned births from God.
I’m Roma and don’t know much of my family history but it’s mental how long the blood lines of our family’s last.
Here is some fact about the Romas or Romanis. Here in Hungary the government often gave them brand new houses with wooden floors, hand carved wooden doors, nice gardens and such for a minimal fee. Couple years go by in the winters they have burned all the wooden flooring and doors in the fireplace, and replace them with either some tarp or some missfitting stuff found in the junkyard. I own several properties, i rented some out to some Romas, and in 6 months time i had to spend about 1.4 million HUF on repairs due to their neglegant behaviour in and around the house. Their rent was only 20 thousand HUF a month so it nowhere nearly covered a fraction of the damages. I'm not racist. I have many Roma friends and i do like their culture (what remains of their culture). But i will never rent out any of my properties to them ever again.
Since then i have been renting out my properties to "Magyar"-s and every 6-8 months I have to forego some rent in favor of repairs and improvements the tenants done on their own accord to my properties.
The authors of this video and the people who play the racism card in the comment section have no fucking idea what they're talking about and probably have not seen a gypsy in their life.
itish gypsies have shown genetically to be of Irish descent spliting from main population 1000 years ago
no British gypsys/Romany, are of Indian descent, Irish travellers are of Irish native decent. you don't seem to have understood what the man says in this video, or if what your saying is true? then tests must have been done on Irish travellers claiming to be Romany. Romany gypsys are of Asian descent. that's why people used to mistake them for Egyptians, hence the name gypsy.
@Alex C gypsys are all over the world my friend. and i know quite a few gypsys from Romania. its where the word Romany stems from.
@Alex C i know the Romanian people are not gypsys. but the gypsys who are from Romania, are called Romany. you clearly didn't understand the comments i have previously written, so it's you who is the stupid one. i am a gypsy yes. but I can assure you I'm far from being stupid. hate to break this to you already, buts it's you who is the stupid one. and everyone in the comment section knows it, except you.
@@fighting3209 The word romany doesn't stem from Romania my friend,all gypsies in europe are known as rom or romany wherever they live.The two similar names are result of a coincidence according to the western europeans that insisted they should be called that way.
@@flo2k932 i very much disagree,. but if you can produce any evidence to the contrary? I'm more than sure that i and every gypsy historian reading these comments would be very interested in looking at it. i think you have Romay and gypsy mixed up, the Europeans preferred to call them gypsy because they looked Egyptian.
I'm a gypsy and I can confirm this is bull shit
From Casual Criminalist to "Today I Found Out", Simon's got us coveted!
I worked for a Gypsy gentleman when I was 16 yrs old , my brother and I would go to backyard cook-outs at his house What a Party ! there was a girl named Rose she was my age Oh man she was Gorgeous made me weak in the knees if I looked in her eyes I'd get dizzy ! I was told by her Aunt if I valued my Family Jewels I'd better keep my hands and my Jewels to myself , I ignored the aunts advice but all I got was a set lovers nuts 3 sets actually . ...Haven't thought of her in years wonder how she is getting along . . .Oh and Great guy to work for I was paid very well treated my brother and I better than he treated his own sons . ..
And most are either from India, Romania, rarely france, learn with it brain, I didn't used to like them before , but once someone attacked me, and the gypsy/travellers actually saved me, And none have ever stole from me.. And they work trust me they all work all Roma Irish English gypsies work! And never mess with them, trust me, there worse than gangs.
Irish travellers are not Romany they speak different languages and the phrase Roma or Romany gypsies has nothing to do with Romania the country, Romany is its own language and culture
Wow!!!
You talk really fast. Thank you for the intermittent subtitles! It’s an interesting subject!
Omg that german pronounciation was so wrong that i wouldn't even have a clue what that was suppose to mean.
They should take on the citizenship of the countries they find themselves in!!!! Why should they be marginalised?????
Such ongoing systemic discrimination SMH
thanks for noticing, its truly mad world
An interesting video could be on the Irish Travellers. They share some things in common with Romani but are likely a different ethnicity.
They do share some culture cause they mixed and lived together . However they are not the same people . Different genetics
@Farla Bau fair enough sorry !
@Farla Bau Wow this was from 4 years ago. Anyway, I said they share some things in common. Do your research both groups do. Romani and Mincéirí are generally different ethnic groups. Having similarities between two different groups is nothing new. Tons of ethnic groups have things in common. Gypsy is not their term for themselves. Rather like Romani it was an ethnic slur used by outsiders for them. Mincéirí is a better choice or at least Travelers. They are just another marginalized group in Europe and elsewhere. They didn't steal Romani cultural identity. They have their own.
@Farla Bau Ok this is going to be long. No I am not saying that they are the same ethnic groups. I am saying both are marginalized groups that have some things in common. As to the term Gypsy do your research. It is a racial slur that has been applied to more people that just the Romani. It's like many slurs. They get applied all over the place. There many many cultures in Africa but a single racial slur is often used for them. Whether you like it or not, it has been applied to both groups over the years. It's a fact. The important point is that it was applied and it's a slur. Both Romani and Travelers may choose to use and reclaim the term. Many ethnic groups reclaim slurs. As to the marginalization of the Travelers or even the Irish in general, do your research. There is a centuries long history of it. Several ethnic groups from Europe have been marginalized and many have suffered genocide. I am going to leave the conversation now but I will leave you with this. I fully acknowledge the marginalization and suffering of the Romani people. Do not deny the Traveler's suffering because of the color of their skin.
@MJ tops you're completely misinformed on Irish Travellers, we never stole anything from Gypsies.
What happened was that regular people in the UK & Ireland didn't care to discriminate between Romani and Irish Travellers in the past, so called them all Gypsies as a pejorative. One which Irish Travellers have reclaimed and in English it has become a byword for someone rootless anyway.
It's an adoption of a name, not a culture. We have our own culture and plenty of people lived semi-nomadic lives in the past. It's not exclusive to the Romani and / or Irish Travellers, we are aware that Irish Travellers and Romani, Cinti culture all have plenty of differences.
Also, we are White but Irish Travellers were officially recognised as an indigenous ethnic minority in March 2017 in Ireland.
In the UK, Irish travellers are a separate ethnic group entitled to the same protection under the Race Relations Act as other ethnic minorities in Britain.
In Spain in 1990, a Gypsy woman walked up to my husband and me, asking for money. When we refused her, she protested, and said, (in Spanish) "Well your wallet is right here, can't you just give me a little money?", as she started putting her hands on my husband's belt, and then started putting her hand into his front pocket to get his wallet, in broad brazen daylight. I formed my opinion of them that day.
You’re a fucking dickhead
Lol so if a person of another race will say something stupid to you ,you are going to use one person behaviour to represent the whole community ?are u seriously that dumb?there are countless of people that are acting the same way that are white ,black ,Asian and any other race .Stop being blind no need to have that much hate in your heart ,they are People as well ,just look how they European where treating them through the all freaking millennial ,they were extremely discriminated even now ,they were slaves ,they were killed on sight by nazi ,it makes sense why they keep their community by themselves when they are being treating like this ,in their same country .
@@Omar-kl3xp i say this from experience, i live in a place where gypsies arent exactly uncommon. yes you cant judge an entire group of what "SOME" people from that group do. but when you experience negative behaviour from a specific group once, twice, three times, four times... 15 times, so on, every time you meet them, and prehaps once or twice you experience a positive side. then you know the difference between "SOME" and "MOST".
obviously that doesnt mean that you have to be prejudical every time you see a gypsy. but that still doesnt mean you cant point out a common problem among their group if its quite obvious just so you dont offend someone.
@@Omar-kl3xp im not racist, i dont believe gypsies in general do have such bad behaviour because of their race or ethnicity, if i would believe so i would be racist. but i'd say at least half of gypsy population if not more do have such negative behaviour, i dont believe thats because of their race, i believe thats because of their refusal to integrate and they have sort of a tribalistic view, as if because they are gypsies and not tied with the rest of the world they are allowed to do anything they want. all i say is that countries like poland, hungary, czechia, germany, and france have tried to integrate them for more than 400 years now and they still couldnt.
I always believed we were of egyptian origin i recently found out romany gypseys are from india
The comments are disgusting. The only way they could be more Claude Frollo-esque is if they started with, "Beata Maria, you know I am a righteous man. Of my virtue, I am justly proud."
Seriously, all the haters need to get their heads out of their asses long enough to see that not everyone of a certain ethnic background is exactly the same.
ANTISEMITISM= ANTIZIGANISM 😉
⚜️No they immigrated from Israel to India. From India to all over the world. Roma people are not hindu. Our culture, much of it comes from the Torah /Bible. Like when a women gives birth for example, she has to be hidden away from the rest for a week or so. We don't longer to this, but are elders did. They knew the Bible, nowadays the roma people take on the religion from the country they live in. So if they immigrated from india to Kosovo, many of them became Muslims, and so on.⚜️
Yes and PAGAN! Which torah and bible were inspired by as well
@@DiamanteDea
Some Gipsy were pagan, yes. But the Bible is not.
Romani people speaks indo Aryan language like languages of India. They genetically from india
I have a fascination for the Roma. Their music cuts so deep; such feeling. I am a musician so I follow their music. In their culture, the highest a Roma can go in life is to make a living as a musician. In the old days for royalty and today, perhaps the masses. My favorite is Spanish but I like all of it. They must have American Roma music.
For a group without a nation, they seem to have a very strong culture. I heard that Romania is like 90 something % Roma and they are the minority there.
They are from India. Go through Rajasthani folk music and Indian classical music. There is Kashmiri music. And Afghani music there. All of this will be in Romani music.
NO, DON'T CALL THEM ROMANI. THEY COME FROM INDIA.
They are romani not Indian.
You’re stupid
@@DiamanteDea
they are from India originally
My dad got swindled by a gypsie the other day so i am happy to learn more about them
the main reason gypsies were banned from countries because they were essentially foreigners. However Gypsies were never expelled from any lands, as you say in this video they just 'appeared and hung out near the edge of town' sounds a lot like jews after they have been expelled from the middle east by Rome
BOO HOO DISCRIMINATION. DONT PROTECT THEM. they are basically pigeons/rats
Agreed
Living in a society usually means that you have rights, but also duties. In my opinion they demand (and are given) all the rights, but fulfill none of the duties. Like sending their kids to school, paying taxes, comply with laws and norms, etc. Its a very complicated issue to deal with, as most are uneducated, violent and have no wish to integrate in our society.
You are a fucking racist
I am a Bulgarian and I have never been robbed by gypsies despite visiting my cousin's place (he lives next to gypsy neighborhood) on a regular basis or often being surrounded by members of that ethnicity while commuting by train when I was a uni student. I have witnessed a peaceful gypsy man being verbally abused during one of those trips though. I have also witnessed employment discrimination while working in a fast food chain - while viewing the job applications the restaurant manager admitted he won't be calling those who seem to be from the "mahala" (based on their photos or names) for an interview - and I tend to think this happens quite often. But those claiming that none of the gypsies have a job must have never gone past a construction site or seen the women brushing streets and sidewalks.
Crime is surely a serious among gypsy communities but I wonder how many of the commentators have been victims of gypsy crime themselves rather than hearing about it from the media. (Gypsies begging OTOH is something I have witnessed quite often but that is not as serious an offence IMO) And while living off welfare is common among people of that ethnicity I believe the idea most people have about the extent of it is exaggerated. (I read quite an eye-opening study by the Solidarity of Bulgaria NGO touching that topic).
Claiming the "majority" bears zero responsibility for the issues of the gypsy communities is ridiculous.
You should visit Spain gypsies communities, I'm sure you will go out from there without phone, wallet, shoes...
I'm thinking my dad's side of the family has some Romani ties. I don't know why but my genetics come from Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Armenia, Wales, Poland, Sweden, Russia, France, Germany, Norway/Scandinavia and Ashkenazic influence. I feel a natural understanding with the Romani.
They could of moved to India and mix with the local population , that could be possible.
True . Today they don't seem Indian at all .
Unlikely. Their Indian DNA is too much, so their origin is India.
They were most likely slaves traded by Turkish invaders. Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan are called so because Indians (Hindus) were traded there as slaves, just like black people were taken to Americas and Indians to Caribbean.
I'm English, and growing up, gypsy travellers were always feared and loathed as dirty criminals. I could never understand why people fear them so much. They never did me any harm.
It has recently been officially recognised that Travelers (Irish Gypsies) have there own culture. I went to primary school with a lot of them and I got on well with them. I've always wondered what happens to Travelers who try to leave Traveler culture, or diverge from the norms and expectations. They traditionally don't go for further education. They marry cousins when they're young. What happens when they don't follow this?
They settle down and get a job like everyone else. My husband grew up in a trailer, went to school!! in 7 different countries until his parents felt too old travel and settled down in Germany (they originated from Hungary). He has a good job and we live our lives like all others do :)
I am Indian and I didn't know about these people... We will not provide homeland to them as like the jews got
The sad thing is that, I hear more about discrimination toward gypsies in eastern part of Europe rather than western part of the Europe.
because there are more of them in eastern european than the west
I'm from Romania, a country with a lot of gypsies (about 3% of the population). I've seen them all of life and we have to deal with them constantly. And I'm telling you: you CAN NOT integrate and assimilate them among "normal" people. It just can't be done. Unless you're familiar with this ethnicity, what I just said can be quite difficult to understand or to accept. But, unfortunately, it's very true.
Radu Murzea i know a few in uk that has
I've seen many of them in India, and they are a nomadic people. Let them be who they are. Not everyone has to be part of the "regular" world. There are many groups of nomads wandering around India and nobody bothers them. The urge to roam in them is very strong, so don't expect them to stay somewhere permanently.