Filmmaker reacts to Starship Troopers (1997) for the FIRST TIME!
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To the comment made in the intro... I started watching a lot of these react channels when I was staying at a hotel waiting to get surgery for cancer. Yours was one of the ones I subscribed to... and still here a year later watching.
Wow, this means a lot to me but dude, shout-out to you for real. This just truly made my entire week right here. Thank you for even taking the time to comment!
Glad you made it through. Speaking of bugs...where this real life bug is concerned...watch out and take care. Cheers!
Hell yeah 💪
Fuck cancer
Glad you're still here my friend, good things.
God bless you, and good luck.
"This could be either extremely campy or a complete bloodbath"
Paul Verhoeven: Why not both?
😂😂😂
@@JamesVSCinema This is Takashi Miike's favorite movie, and it makes every kind of sense! (In the context of this comment.)
Verhoeven is such an interesting character in the story behind how this movie got made is fascinating. It wasn't even intended to be based on the book but somehow verhoeven made it work.
@al alex Why are you politicizing this? Get that shit out of here.
@@onearmedbandit84 the movie is all about politics though... did you not see the nazi uniforms?
The satire in this movie was so on point that some people actually thought it was a fascist film.
There's three levels of fans to this movie. Those that appreciate it just for the action, those did appreciate verhoeven style and satire without necessarily understanding the deeper meaning and then those that are fans of the book. There were entire chapters of the book that read like a poly-sci textbook from college but somehow was still amazing and I really wish they had used the mech suits in the movie.
@@JoshuaC0rbit The most funny thing is that what Verhoeven is really satirizing is fascism and militarism as concepts and not Starship Troopers the book at all. The society that is depicted in the book is way more like a complex federalist society(obviously with *some* authoritarian features) like Switzerland than it depicts a form of Nazi-Germany or Fascist Italy, but of course this kind of nuance gets lost in the noise.
@@JoshuaC0rbit What about the fourth kind who appreciate the Verhoeven style and satire AND understand the deeper meaning? Granted, i didn't pick up on the themes and subtexts when i saw it the first time in the cinema in -97 because i was young and dumb, but it didn't take many years for me to grasp what Verhoeven and Edward Neumeier tried to accomplice.
Imagine thinking a jewish man who grew up in a nazi occupied territory would be a nazi
@@JoshuaC0rbit I vaguely remember reading the book when in high school (1980 to 1981 timeframe). "I am a 30 second bomb." Initially I was disappointed in the campiness of the movie but once you separate the two in your head you can enjoy this movie for what it is and the novel for what it is.
"The only good bug. Is a dead bug. Would you like to know more?"
Lol. This classic was ahead of it's time.
This is film, RoboCop, and Total Recall are perfect examples of Satire.
I was surprised my mom liked these movies, she didn't like violence but loved satire
Aren’t those all same director? Paul vanderhoten methinks
@@commanderstarstrider7176 They were all Verhoeven. And they were all great.
@@otherkorean Still are!
Ironically the society of starship troopers looks much more appealing than the one the united states have.
"They just found a legendary Pokémon and that thing looks Pissed Off" i dunno why but that line had me fricking dying 🤣😂
Lmfaooo like this is not the Pokémon Go I signed up for at all 😂
Same!
I think one way to describe the visuals in this movie is "brutiful".
RIP to the best person in the movie, then immediately RIP to the second best
Gotta love Paul Verhoeven! This and Robocop are absolutely amazing!
I gotta make sure to finally get to Robocop lmfaooo
@@JamesVSCinema if you liked the action in this, how it was shoot and all. You’ll love it
@@JamesVSCinema Yeah if you haven't seen the original that would make an AMAZING commentary! Add it to the poll!
Robocop was big fun.
Once you see Robocop the satire in ST makes more sense as well. Verhoeven has a lot to say, but he also makes fantastically entertaining films.
Paul Verhoven deliberately used "Pretty but bad" actors for the movie. To accentuate the cheesy feeling and propaganda in the story. A movie about young and beautiful people in a fascist "utopia" that are eventually only good for.....killing bugs.
Super interesting!
The whitest people you've ever seen living in... Buenos Aires.
@@JamesVSCinema It's funny, because you can kind of tell who knew what kind of movie they were in and who didn't.
Michael Ironside, Clancy Brown, and Neil Patrick Harris definitely knew they were in a satire.
@@seamusburke639 totally agree with this!
@@yt45204 Ask the Portuguese.
Neither critics nor audiences appreciated the film’s commentary when this came out, but post 9/11 America and the propaganda machine that it spawned showed that Paul Verhoeven was actually prescient.
He was also full of shit. His life and career as a director, who can make these kinds of movies, is directly a result of the men and woman who serve their country. Whether it be military, government service, or civil service.
@@dirus3142 The US military hasn't fought for our freedoms since the Civil War. Get out here with that American Exceptionalism bullshit.
@@dirus3142 you know he’s Dutch, right?
@Ghost You sure are a simpleminded, uncritical bootlicker.
@@SuzakuX Bro don’t fall for the simplest of bait
I really, _really_ recommend watching Red Letter Media's video on Starship Troopers after you've seen the film for the first time. And then watching the film again after the RLM video. It helps a lot getting into the underlying subtext of Starship Troopers. There are also a thousand tiny details that are very easy to miss in this. Like a scene where a _black_ officer walks through the frame who has SS-runes on his shoulder flaps. Like, actual Nazi symbols. There is _so_ _much_ stuff in this, but it's very successful in steering your focus away from it.
Seriously one of the best movies of all time and criminally underappreciated.
100%
I agree. They had a great discussion, and comparison to a Star Trek episode of similar themes.
However they made the mistake almost every one does (including the director) about the films society. It's not fascist, it just has a different cultural mind set.
I like how this is basically the flip side version of the Gorn episode in Star Trek.
@@dirus3142 yes, there is a video by Sargon of Akkad that dives deep into the actual book and how the politics actually work in that society. People just think it looks like Nazis so it must be a critique on Nazis. But thats just a spin the director put on it with the art direction and propaganda, its not supported by what actually happens in the movie.
@@dash4800 the book and film are distinctly different things. the film is pretty obviously satirizing fascism, even if the book version of society is different.
Verhoeven was a staple in my childhood and the visual effects in starship troopers are still amazing, miniatures and cg working together in harmony.
That's one heck of a childhood!
1997 was an amazing year for movies and their impact on pop culture. This, Boogie Nights, Titanic, L.A. Confidential, this list goes on and on
Pulp Fiction was the catalyst for the ground breaking cinema that followed its 1994 release, it opened everyone's eyes.
Mid-to-late 90s was an excellent time for film. Of course I feel the same way about mid-to-late 90s hip-hop so I'm a little biased.
Titanic, not so much.....Really LEO sucked in that movie and there was PLENTY of room on that floating door for him...just saying y'all!
@@Browncoat66 that's why I added the "impact on pop culture"
1995 and 1997 are the best years in my opinion in terms of moviegoing. 1999 might be number three.
'They just found a legendary Pokemon and its pissed off'
Dude, now that made me laugh!
The Teacher/Lieutenant is pretty awesome. "Rico, we've got an urgent briefing for the war effort son!" See's the girl... "Nevermind fam, get you some ass!" Now THAT's a leader!
"There has to be a deeper commentary there" You understood what literally no critic at the time realized. :D
The one thing that I love about this movie is the levels it exists on. For example…
This movie is a propaganda film that exists in the universe it takes place in. It exists for recruitment purposes, hence no matter what the troopers say or do, it’s always shown as being heroic. The film actively lied to the audience, but we aren’t the intended audience, the people of this universe are, so naturally they’ll accept anything the Federation tells them.
When the planetary defenses allows the asteroid past its defense grid, it’s not because they used it as an excuse to get the Fed involved in another war to keep its citizens under their control, “it’s because the bugs are bad, duh!” It doesn’t matter that the Arachnid Quarantine Zone is thousands of lightyears away and for them to actually be able to calculate their aim or have the ability to fire asteroids at the Earth, that it would have had to be done before the Federation even existed, “because the bugs are bad, DUH!!”
Also, they call them arachnids when they only have six limbs, making them insectoid. It’s because ‘arachnid’ is a slur to make them sound scarier for propaganda. They’re even compared to ‘gross/disgusting’ cockroaches despite looking nothing like them and being far more intelligent. Even with the presence of the brain bug, the propaganda still won’t let them been seen as anything equal to humans because that hurts the narrative of human superiority and bug inferiority.
“I find the idea of a bug that thinks OFFENSIVE!!”
TL;DR: the movie is both a satire of propaganda and literal propaganda for the universe it takes place in and Paul Verhoeven and Ed Neumeier are geniuses.
Not to forget that in the end actually the bad guys win. This war started because humans invaded Klendathu space, which they finally take over.
And anyone wondered why they used those uniform and flag designs? (Just in case one didn't notice this about the flag - green is the complementary color of red...)
And let's not forget the levels of colonialism that makes it so that English-speaking whites populate Buenos Aires.
...and basically, that humans are the same as bugs - cannon fodder is just mindless drones.
@@StreetHierarchy
There is definitely heavy undertones of colonialism on top of everything else the film satirizes. The bugs using their front legs for stabbing, it’s like they’re an indigenous tribal society stabbing at these aggressive invaders with spears before being blown away with rifles and canons like the English colonizers of the Victorian era. The Zulu Wars especially come to mind.
James, humans can't travel thousands of light years.
You seem okay that humans who can't leave Earth without out technological help can use impossible forms of travel, but after we're shown that the bugs evolved in multiple ways to travel and battle in space you won't let them have impossible modes of travel?
The bugs colonized multiple planets in multiple systems.
The bugs evolved to do battle with either things in orbit or on other moons/planets.
The bugs evolved a way to transfer and then analyze alien brain matter.
Real life humans can't travel across the galaxy faster than light. Real life humans aren't psychic.
The film NEVER tells or shows that humans 'let' the asteroid by their defenses.
The film DOES show us that asteroids are sent from Klendathu towards earth, as Carmen and crew trace one right in front of our eyes.
Oh hell yeah! This is Paul Verhoeven in all his pulpy glory!
Was epic!
Me again. My uncle was the production designer for this also!
Dude that’s badass haha! He killed this!
James' every reaction to Carmen is a mood
The book was crazy different and still Eff Carmen
Didn’t even know there was a book haha
@@JamesVSCinema Yep. The movies come from a book.
@@JamesVSCinema all of the commentary and satirical undertones you were picking up? The movie is incredibly subtle about them, but the book just doesn't have them at all. The movie is a fantastic criticism of the militarist/fascist mentality pervasive both in society and in the military sci-fi genre in general, disguising as a good faith portrayal of that mentality. The book is just straight up military/fascist propaganda lmao
@@JamesVSCinema Oh yeah, a really good book by Robert Heinlein. I recommend it if you have the time to read it.
@@JamesVSCinema Heinlein...you're on point that there's underlying social commentary, but the book was a satire, and the movie was a satire of the book, so I totally understand how the message comes across as a bit jumbled.
The sci-fi context lets you recognize the absurdity in propaganda you might otherwise have grown up with, and internalized.
The movie is a commentary on American Fascism, Military Propaganda, and Jingoism. You'll notice the uniforms they wear are eerily similar to Nazis. Paul Verhoven grew up in Nazi Occupied Holland, so he's always been vocal against the rise of fascism in America. He actually adapted the movie from the novel to kind of shit on the novel, which he viewed as extremely fascist and Militaristic. So the movie is highly critical of it's source material.
not specifically American, but just to show, that propaganda could brainwash you into thinking, that you are "good guys", even though you are ...fascists.
Stop spreading lies. Verhoeven never even read the book. He just made a movie he wanted to, and then use some stuff from the source material to use the name.
Oh wow. Never read the book, but my brother had told me the book was a commentary on the propaganda America used to fight Japan in WW2.
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 Are you the guy that goes into all of the starship troopers videos and comment this? Is there an army of dudes hating on Paul Verhoeven and defending Heinlein's novel?
The book is fantastic, and includes a lot of political and cultural observations. The only thing the movie has in common with the book are some of the character's names. And that's about it.
One of the great satires of our time.
I was catching it here and there. It was disguised pretty well even looking at it for the first time today
@@JamesVSCinema It's disguised because it's EVERYWHERE. It's built right into the foundation of the world. It's hard to point out one thing that's being satirized, because there's just so much to unpack. It's like... if you don't go into it knowing that all of it is satire and social commentary, it looks like it's taking itself dead serious. Anyway, love your videos man.
@@billwithers7457 I was thinking the same thing. At the very least it was absurdist humor (I think it’s hilarious from the outset). Love your music btw.
You can find 1,000 movies made after this with effects that look 10 years older. Holds up so well. Great tight script, great music, overflowing with amazing world building and attention to detail.
Super good CGI
Maaaaan Bug's Life sure looks different!
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Yes, there was a deeper message intended when making this film. Verhoven's premise for this movie was "war makes fascists of us all," though there is some disagreement to how well he succeeded in that regard. This movie is based on the Heinlein novel "Starship Troopers" (which Verhoven famously didn't read before making the movie) and is a very different tone from the movie based on it. The premise of the book is that only people who are willing to take personal responsibility for the government should have any voice in it and Heinlein goes out of his way to show that everyone who joins the Mobile Infantry (or any Federal Service) is there by choice.
Also, technically speaking the humans started the war: a group of colonists decided to settle on a Bug planet despite being warned by the government not to, and the Bugs in their hive mindset viewed this as an invasion by humanity and retaliated with the asteroid strike. In the book, the Federation is involved in multiple conflicts over the course of the movie with several different alien races of which the Bugs are only one.
To state my own biases: I am a fan of both the book and the movie and believe both have merit in their opinions, though reality is rarely so simple.
Interesting. Those are some key omissions. I always knew it was a social commentary, but I never could quite pinpoint exactly what. I watched it multiple times, but like 20 years ago. I might need to revisit.
I think it's highly debatable if humans were to blame for the war. Like you said, the Federation had set up quarantine zones. The movie points out that the bugs were not indigenous to the planet the Mormon colonists chose to settle on, & it shows that their small colony was unarmed. So the bugs could have co-existed with them but instead chose to slaughter them. Then, instead of just leaving it there after the slaughter, the bugs took it a step further and started attacking Earth & committing mass genocide against humans on their home planet.
This movie is a great satire about fascism. Paul Verhoeven was so great back in the day. Btw, the buddy is Jake Busey, son of Gary Busey
Clever filmmaking!
"What the- *sucks teeth*"
Yes. Yes we are with you on her being whack from the drop.
P.S. "every nfl coach" is Jake Busey! Gary's son
Definitely has got his fathers attributes!
And "nuking respectfully" is definitely brutiful.
Love this movie and your channels! Keep up the fun!
Hahaha glad to hear you had a good time with the video as much as I did haha!
dude needs to watch Freightners for some great jake busey moments
@@WHADATBOYNAMEIS The Freighteners is the best A+ movie that is thought as as B grade.
That'd be another fun "campy flick" for him!
Dude that man needs to play duke nukem 😂
“A combination of Saving Private Ryan and A Bug’s Life”
Genius
Most of us have had a Carmen in our lives, but the lucky ones found themselves a Diz.
It was a social commentary about fascism, but it was fun and entertaining with great effects. Paul Verhoeven's films always have an underlyng socio-political message or commentary. It's in all his movies like "Robocop", "Total Recall", "Basic Instinct", Flesh + Blood", "Hollow Man" and even the cult favorite hated by critics "Showgirls". I enjoyed all of these films.
Yes, Hollow Man. Working up the nerve to watch it again.
It's not just a satire of fascism. It is using the satirical fascism to draw parallels to (and implicitly criticize) the fascistic elements of our own society.
Naw, you totally nailed it! This was a totally self aware satire commentary. It was relatively poorly received because few understood how intentional everything was. I loved it in theaters both times, and still do the "I've-lost-count" times I've seen it since!
My wife and I wrap the kids chrismas presents the night before christmas. We'll drink a bottle of wine, watch Starship Troopers and wrap presents until the wee hours of the morning. This has been our holiday tradition for over a decade. We absolutely love this movie.
"I wonder if there's some deeper social commentary.... in Starship Troopers"
Understatement of the century lol
Well, the real message is that Verhoeven doesn’t understand anything about political ideologies. He mistakes a liberation power fantasy with fascism.
"I can't help but think there's a deeper social commentary happening"
- The movie is a brilliant and often misunderstood satire of fascism.
is it tho?
@@nebulous6660 Just watch the film
@@spaz113z seen it 500 times
@@nebulous6660 To answer your question: yes, it is a satire of fascism. Just watch the directo'rs commentary or read any interviews he's done for the film. He 100% intended to criticize and satirize a fascist utopia. You may think he missed the mark, but his intentions behind the movie are clear to anyone who knows what to look for.
@@MistaZULE The claim wasn't just that this was an intended satire of fascism. It's that it is a "brilliant" satire of fascism. Clearly the director intended it to be. I don't believe it is. There are funny moments in the film that satire fascism, but the story & it's society are not examples of fascism.
It seems like nobody talks about the author of the book. Robert Heimlien was a famous science fiction author in the late 40’s and 50’s. Many of his novels were about the far future but this is about earth at war. A lot of the campy features are RH versions of America after the war. It really is about a commentary about war, society, youth and lots more!
I haven't read the book, although as a fan of military scifi works, I should rectify that right away XD
Anyway, yeah. I heard some good things and 'bad' things about the book. How the book glorified war and military power and how the readers felt that R.H was just projecting his views etcetera, etcetera. Also some feel that the society in the book was fascist, hence R.H also branded fascist. LOL. Although the book has some elements that the film don't. Like how the Arachnids are actually technologically advanced, and there are another alien race joining the fight.
Btw, the animated series also worth to look. It's called Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles. It's basically a fusion between the movie and elements from the book. And it's pretty good.
@@nitrokid I don't like the book's politics but it's a decent read.
I like that this movie took the original book and made a Satire out of it. Back in the mid 1960s, Harry Harrison wrote a book that was his satirical "answer" to Heinlein's story... (Bill, The Galactic Hero) which I rather liked. Harry thought Heinlein celebrated the military mentality too much, which he personally detested. So he expended a lot of effort on writing his take on it, which he then had some trouble getting published. I'm not sure if a proper movie version will ever get made of it. A zero-budget student movie was made of it at one point, I doubt it will ever get anything more than that, so Verhoeven's Satire will have to stand in its place. (I doubt that Verhoeven was even aware of Harrison's book)
@@rumblebars cool, I think the book is interesting but it promotes that a somewhat authoritarianism Gov is good. I will have look up the book you mentioned.
@@youngrutiger5343 The military sections were exciting and written well (while being grounded) but the chapters where he literally puts the reader in a classroom to preach fascism not so much haha
The director meant this to be a social commentary movie. Many people don't see it but you got it James. It is not just a movie about a war with bugs.
I saw this on opening day in 1997! It took the audience maybe 45 minutes to get into it, but by the end, everyone was hooting and hollering and having a great time.
"He's the coolest person" Exactly my thoughts when I was watching this the first time as well. :)
I keep getting reminded how insightful and hilarious James is.
One of the most underrated scenes in the film is with the recruiter with no legs, in the book it shocks Rico, later he goes back to ask him more questions and finds out he had prosthetic legs and can walk, he asks him why he doesn't wear them and the recruiter says its to put people off from joining. Its the same reason his teacher didn't wear a false hand in school, they actively attempt to dissuade people from becomeing citizens due to the danger.
Another intresting point is in the book his father actually survives the attack and ends up joining Rico's unit
"What's it thinking, Colonel?"
........
"It's afraid... its afraid!"
Love that bit and the practical effects on that bug. Man that thing is vile.
I am ashamed to admit that I didn't realize who the *real* villains were until Doogie Howser SS triumphantly announced the Brain Bug was afraid and was met with cheers. In fairness I was only 12 when this came to HBO and was still averting my gaze at heavily adult things.
Why would that make them the villains? If the bug is afraid it indicates it’s defeated. That’s a good thing. That doesn’t make them evil for cheering.
Brutiful: Adjective. Elegant, awe-inspiring displays of extreme violence.
Ultra Violence! 🍊
Sort of describes Sam Peckinpah's "Cross of Iron".
@@andrewcharles459
Not only Cross of Iron, but much of Peckinpah's entire output as well, from what I gather. 🙄 😕
Michael Ironside is one of my favorite character actors ever!! He can play a hero or a villain. Plus his name is awesome.
One of the most underrated sci-fi films imo. You know that headshot during training was different when the fuck slipped out lmfaooo
My childhood was comprised of this film, and Sesame Street.
The duality of childhood honestly haha
Whenever this movie comes on I yell "Medic!" at every gruesome death.
Paul Verhoven is a genius because he manages to satirize big blockbuster films and their tropes while simultaneously making them cheesy but enjoyable if it all goes over your head. He also did Robo Cop and the original Total Recall.
You might be the only reacter that picked up on the satire of this film, and I love that the filmmaking was what clued you into that. The director really knows he's doing when he frames his scenes, and is hyper aware of the tone he's crafting. In order to really pick up on the satires direct references, you would have to be up on Cold war Era and earlier propaganda.
Comments already have a lot of this covered, I'm really happy you brought it up though. Many reacters don't seem to care about artistic intent, and more about the entertainment, you're threading that needle splendidly! Many thanks!
Loved when they’re all in the compound with the epic music playing 😂 they really need to make a game on this
Yeah, that would be pretty damn fun I think. Time to start pointlessly conceptualizing in my head for the next month, thanks.
It actually was a game when it was released and it unfortunately wasn’t that good. However the films score, composed by Basil Poledouris who also scored Robocop, is nothing short of amazing. It is very similar to, and I suspect this to be on purpose, to the opening movement of Gustav Holt’s symphony ‘The Planets’ entitled ‘Mars: The Bringer of War’.
They did make a game of this
This is a cult classic that is just as fun to watch now as it was when it came out. If you don't take it too seriously and just enjoy the ride, it is priceless
This was the first rated R movie I ever saw in the theater. I was 12 years old and my friend and I bought a ticket to another movie and snuck into this one. It's such a fun movie, and I love the lore of the Starship Troopers universe.
Trivia: The Drill Sergeant is Clancy Brown. Who played Kurgen in Highlander, the corrupt guard in Shawshank Redemption and is also Mister Crabbs in Sponge Bob. WHenever we him in a film, especially in a small part, my family all yells: "And Clancy Brown for the win!" I don't know where it started, but it's always true.
I recommend playing a similar game for Dick Warlock (yeah, that's his official actor name). He shows up as an uncredited stunt actor in hundreds of films.
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself he was swamp thing.
I always liked this movie, first off the “dumb action” then later on for it commentary on nationalism, propaganda, fear baiting, media, and human arrogance.
One would have to be willfully blind to not see that these tactics have utilized very recently around the world… from any side of the political spectrum.
Can you call it fear baiting when entire peaceful colonies & cities were being wiped out? Sounds like legitimate reason to take action.
@@nebulous6660 in the movie, Mormons defied the arachnid quarantine zone and set up a settlement. I’ll also suggest that the Federation was looking for a reason to escalate things… kind of like most governments we currently have.
But if the Federation was looking for escalation they wouldn’t have set up quarantine zones. Even though the Mormons defied the restrictions, they were still unarmed & the bugs were also colonizing the area so it wasn’t like the bugs’ natural habitat was being invaded. The bugs slaughtered unarmed people in cold blood without attempting to share or co-exist peacefully. They then went further to attack Earth which was the natural habitat of humans.
This movie goes very well together with Idiocracy.
@@nebulous6660 Buenos Aires was a false-flag operation to justify the arachnid war. You've fallen for federation propaganda.
This is a certified hood classic
I’ve been binging through your vids tonight. I’m loving the content duder! Hope this helps the algorithm in some way!
I saw this at a midnight showing opening night. It was probably the loudest, roudiest and enthusiastic movie crowd I've ever been a part of...and it was great!
13th Warrior
Superb cinematography
Superb cast
Superb soundtrack
Superb battle scenes
Superb adventure
Bet you don't watch it just once.
Lo there do i see the line of my people. Back to the beginning. Fuck yes he should watch it
The Animated Series is pretty good to. Roughnecks: Starship Troopers
Yeah, as others have said below, director did RoboCop and Total Recall (Original) and he has a way with satirical social commentary.
This is based of the book call the same name Starship Troopers, check it, much better than the movie (most are) and is not a long read...it's a si-fi classic.
Love the movie though when it came out and still watch it from time to time as well as the aforementioned movies mentioned above.
I was in boot camp in Summer 97 when this movie came out in theaters and i was able to watch the movie at the theater on base (Ft Gordon, Augusta, GA) when i got to my Advanced Individual Training. I went with a group of about a dozen guys and we loved this movie because it allowed us to laugh at our own boot camp experience and compare it to the over the top scenes in the movie. I haven't watched this movie again since then, so it was pretty funny remembering so many scenes that had us rolling back in the day.
As always, keep up the great reviews James, you're one of the best on RUclips!
This film was Verhoeven's attempt at displaying the downfalls of fascism. He shot it in the style of the old "Why We Fight" World War 2 propaganda videos. Their entire society is fascist and the swing he was taking here was to show the protagonists and their society in the positive light they attempt to shed on it, while at the same time letting us as the audience see just how fucked up their society (and by extension, fascism) is.
It isn't a brilliant film but it's one of the best critiques on fascism we've had in this medium and it's enjoyable enough to watch a few times for sure.
Thanks for the great content, keep it coming man!
Ahh, the glorious Starship Troopers, a hugely entertaining sci-fi satire that unifies and brings harmony to audiences both left and right with the one thing everyone can agree on: Carmen is just the worst. Team Diz!
This was so much fun to watch you react to! This is my first time watching your stuff but you got a sub!
"But I also feel kinda weird killing things from their own planet" I believe you got the point of the movie
Hey James - considering the artistry used in making the film and the quality of the gore - I think brutiful is a totally apt term to use. Also hoping you do more Kuraswa soon, I bet you will love Yojimbo and or Seven Samuari.
Hahaha glad to hear!! And stay tuned my friend!
The book this movie was based on is a masterpiece of Science Fiction and political commentary. Robert Heinlein was a genius.
Yes and no
His ability to imagine the future was definitely amazing
But he also was a child/product of his time
His vision of a militarized society, is quite outdated today, even more than it was in 1997
The movie has a great way to portray that, and even make fun, of some of his more outdated idears, but still explains what Heinlein was trying to say
Showing all aspects of his ideology is what make this movie a Classic
@@toschememestation1031 Heinlein wasn't an ideologue.
@@SantiAgo-eg5to during coldwar he was,
like many ppl was back than
@@toschememestation1031 he doesn't depict a militarized society he depicts a liberal society with restricted suffrage. The story is following a soldier in a war.
@@huemungy3212 not saying that the society he was imagine, is not a liberal one
But a society can be liberal and militarized at the same time.
I think he was trying to say
That you have to be willing to get militarized, in order to protect the liberty of yr society
Which is at least questionable
Dude you’re KILLING it with the commentaries lately. Been putting out some of my favorites. I’m so glad you reacted to this crazy ass movie. You’re right, it doesn’t hold ANYTHING back. Pure insanity. Do yourself a favor and skip ALL sequels.
Hahaha happy to hear Michael! I’ve been really enjoying the recent films and how diverse they all are!
@@JamesVSCinema man, and that’s why you are the best commentary channel on RUclips. You’re not following anyone. I’ve actually seen about three videos recommended to me of people watching King Fu Panda 2 for the first time AFTER your video went live. Like….nah. Leave that to my boy James for real.
Ahh yes, an underrated classic. Great reaction bro. 👍
I absolutely think there is a commentary going on here, above and beyond the basic story, and that's before pointing out it was directed by the guy who directed films like RoboCop, Total Recall, and Basic Instinct.
I think it's intended to look superficial on the surface, a bunch of attractive young people fighting the enemies of humanity, monstrous space bugs.
But we also have the interspaced propaganda videos that portray the bugs as the equivalent of cockroaches, while we are shown that they are actually rather advanced, and it's at least suggested that it is the humans who are invading the bug's space, as opposed to the standard opposite (we only see or hear of humans attacking bugs worlds; the only attack by the bugs is done from their home planet).
We are told in the political science lesson at the beginning that only those who've served in the military have full citizenship rights and that military service is a high ideal, but we are shown that the soldiers are thrown into a meat grinder time and time again with the cost in lives just kind of glossed over. I don't think it's an accident that the military uniforms look vaguely Nazi-ish.
"The bugs can warp asteroids to other solar systems."
Can they, though? During the entire movie we never see evidence of the bugs invading a planet, only humans going to planets where the bugs are. An asteroid thrown by bugs would take probably millions of years to reach earth, and it would probably miss. I think humans did it and blamed the bugs.
Humans would take just as long to get to Klendathu, but you're okay with that.
We see them on multiple planets. They got to those planets on their own. Klendathu, Dantana, Planet P, and Tango Urilla.
We see Carmen and crew trace a meteor, in real time, from their location to it's origin in Klendathu space, and we see them calculate it's trajectory into Earth space. They want to send a warning to earth but comms got knocked out.
We see bugs that evolved to shoot massive plasma bursts up into space and out of orbit.
We see a bug specifically keep humans alive to drink their brains, after we accept that humans can be psychics.
Hey.......it was never the bugs ;)
@@yodieyuh humans flying spaceships that may or may not be capable of faster than light travel. A rock is just a rock, it’s restricted to subluminal velocities. No explanation is ever given of the bugs capabilities for travel, the movie is itself propaganda and in a meta sense we are meant to question the truth of things states as fact by the in-world media.
@@yodieyuh _"We see Carmen and crew trace a meteor, in real time, from their location to it's origin in Klendathu space, and we see them calculate it's trajectory into Earth space. They want to send a warning to earth but comms got knocked out."_
It would take a meteor a couple trillion years to get from the Klendathu system to the Sol system so please explain that sentence you just said.
_"after we accept that humans can be psychics."_
Well, if we believe Neil Patrick Harris' character really is psychic.
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" No explanation is ever given of the bugs capabilities for travel,"
The opening scenes describe bugs using plasma to move rocks across interstellar distances.
We see bugs blast huge plasma balls into space.
We see a meteor come from bug space.
The film never hints we were lied to.
This is honestly one of the deepest movies I've ever seen. Thank you for covering it, it was absolutely delightful to watch you be on this wild ride. I'll see you on Patreon, my dude.
Thank you for being real. So many "first time" watchers are not at all that or look up everything before hand. Way to have your own ideas. This is one of my Top 10 movies and have seen it times without count. You do it justice for a first watch and are so versed in the language of cinema and story. You truly deserve this channel and the success that I hope it brings you. Keep watching films and speaking about them.
Hey my friend, this was a really nice comment to see. Hope you know that it meant a lot to me, cheers! Can’t wait to provide some more good vibes for y’all.
Thinking the bugs were dumb the entire time is how American generals, politicians, etc. thought about the North Vietnamese and the Vietcong in the 60's.
and these days it's how much they underestimated the Taliban in Afghanistan.
@@Miss.6ixEdits exactly.
"Do you want to live forever?!?" EDIT: Empathy for the captured Brain Bug is the intended effect. Showing a mortal enemy forced into submission as a test subject is a representation of innate cruelty and total apathy. The Bugs fought as the Citizens fought: In defense of their people, of their homes.
That quote is based on a real quote from a US Marine haha. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Daly#%22Do_you_want_to_live_forever?%22_quote
@@voodoolilium Wow, That's awesome.
The Bugs' mindset is so different from ours that peace may never be practicable. We haven't been told anything about the time humans first encountered the Bugs or of any attempts to communicate thereafter (perhaps there were a number of such efforts, all of which the Bugs never even acknowledged). Perhaps the Bugs have well and truly earned our hate and apathy.
Even so, I do feel for the Brain Bug in its captivity. ☹️ 😕 🙂
Thanks for the uploads man. I always enjoy your commentary. However you think of it I’ve been going thru some shit and your reactions help and give me some laughs. You also have great insight. Have a awesome day man
My man, continue doing what you can Colin! Always here friend!
Starship troopers: a cinematic gem decades ahead of its time.
If you like sci fi just wait for the new DUUUUUUUUUNE! Im pumped
I’m pumped!
Please react to The Crow if you haven't already seen it.
Yes!
This channel has been my total saviour during lockdown. Plus I now look at movies in a new depth. Keep up the amazing work!!
One guy responsible for Starship Troupers AND Showgirls.
Legendary.
The great thing about this film which a lot of people at the time misunderstood was that it was made as a propaganda film from a future f*scist society, i.e. it's an artefact from the future. If you compare the style and the plot to those kinds of films, you'll see many similarities, e.g. the cheesy melodrama, the over-the-top p*triotism and n*tionalism, the deus ex machina, the plot that sometimes defies reason. Even the rationale for the war is a massive logical leap that is nigh impossible -- Light years away from Earth, an asteroid was dislodged and sent on a trajectory to Earth in an attempt to attack it? That doesn't make any sense. That's like a pocket shot in interstellar billiards by a race of aliens that don't even have interstellar travel let alone the ability to know that humans exist. But it's just the kind of rationale that a human society as in the film would generate to justify and perpetuate a war against an external and literally alien enemy.
In Nazi Germany they used to use propaganda to compare Jews to insects. Verhoeven grew up in the Hague while occupied by Nazi forces and his fear and absolute loathing of fascism is only equaled by his understanding of just how insanely persuasive it can be.
NPH literally walks in dressed in SS garb. They attack and dehumanize their enemy. You watch this movie having a blast and almost never realizing until it's too late that you've been cheering on Nazis. That's his point.
I loved that feeling when I first saw it, half-way through . . . "oh... the Earthlings are the villains."
It's always fun to see people find this movie and say "i've never heard of it" it's one of the greatest satire films of all time, by the one and only Paul Verhooven.
When I first saw this in 1997, I hated it. Starship Troopers had been one of my favorite sci fi novels since childhood, and had been one of my father’s favorites, as well. I initially felt like the movie was mocking the book, and mocking the military itself. Over the years, I’ve come to see it as mocking military propaganda and the propaganda-like war films of the past. I still don’t particularly like the movie, but I’ve made peace with it.
I enjoy the action aspect & laugh at the propaganda shorts, just like the commercials in Robocop, but you are right, definitely missed the mark of the book.
The similarities between this and the book by Robert A Heinlein: Some of the names are the same. I can't recommend the book enough. This relatively short, and has a far deeper sociopolitical commentary. Mind you, I still love this movie because it's wild, silly fun.
And about helping out... Gotta confess, James, your reactions have been helping me get through some stuff. Recovering from a foot amputation, being alone during the pandemic isolation, and various miscellany with all of that. Watching you react to some of my favorites, like this one, is a lot of fun.
Oh... and since I can't afford to join Patreon and the like, I'm going to request once again that you watch "Superman: The Movie" from 1978. It was my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE when I was a kid... and how could it NOT be with a tagline, "You will believe a man can fly."
This was a ride, man. You think you've seen all possible reactions of a movie, but you always pull through!
@16:30 A campy teen high school drama mixed with a Bug's Life mixed with Full Metal Jacket.
This movie feels like the galactic version of FMJ .. the beginning introduces a Basic training first scene. A man dies due to friendly fire.. then the next act establishes character motives and internal conflicts. Final act is the war scenes, the interaction w enemy, and the fall out from said war!
The commentary is so odd too because for any if you who've read the books it's virtually the exact opposite...it was definitely intentional because the book is very much pro-military, pro-corporal punishment and so on, verboten basically took the general plot, made it movie worthy (because the book is a little dry, it's mostly just philosophical discourse like you saw in the class at the beginning) but then made it almost a total pulp flip side to convey the opposite message.
Also, that scene in the shower where they're all naked? Apparently Verhoven got naked to film it so everyone else was...uh...comfortable I guess?
Interesting point. IMO despite Verhoeven's intentions, this movie never really made a solid case against the military & didn't really depict fascism in the way most fans claim.
Yes! So many people misunderstood this movie when it came out. Enjoy!
Thanks!!
No-one misunderstood this movie when it came out. The satire is laid on thick, and it's the same audience who grew up watching Robocop. It's the later generation that didn't see the pseudo nazi uniforms, the insane nationalism & xenophobia.
@@floydster23 Right on, dude, thanks a bunch for that insight. I'll be sure to go back and change my experience once they invent time travel.
@@likecrazyhorse Who needs time travel when your experience is based on a narrative from the last ten years, instead of it being from sitting in a theatre in 1998.
It's actually based on the novel of Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Most of his works were science fiction books. He was also an aeronautical engineer and a naval officer.
One of my favorite movies of all time with great commentary on the military industrial complex.
The movie is somewhat entertaining. However, the book Starship Troopers and the film "adaptation" have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The book is fantastic.
When this movie came out, the satire didn't resonate with anyone. It was just another dumb action movie. 20 years later, the backdrop to this whole story is downright horrifying.
I wouldn't say not with anyone, but definitely not with general audiences. I loved this movie when it came out haha
This is not entirely true. I watched it in 1997 and realized what this film was about in the first 5 minutes, maybe because Paul Verhoeven is one of his favorite directors and it was obvious that he uses the style of Leni Riefenstahl
I think you meant to say "It took 20 years for the Americans to get the film"
Yep, "general audience" must be amended with "US" as far as my social group here in Switzerland was concerned back then. The fact it's satire is clear when you see the first propaganda clip, really.
I can see that. I was 22 when it came out and my friends and I thought it was hilarious. It was so absurd to not be some sort of satire. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t get that kind of nuance. To be fair, at 22 I’m not sure I could have said exactly WHAT was being satired. If you want something more obvious think Team America World Police.
i watched most of yout videos over the last couple weeks, since i discovered you and im kinda suprised you havent done "falling down" yet. definitly a must watch imo
Paul Verhoeven changed the tone of the original book into a satirical film about fascisim and the industrial military complex
It 100%is a satire on Fascism and colonialism. Verhoeven was explicit about it. You were picking up the subtext with… why are we attacking these creatures on their own planet? Well, because we’re imperialistic assholes is why.
Nah, in the movie the bugs start committing mass genocide on Earth before the humans respond by invading the bugs' home planet. The bugs are also depicted as an aggressive colonizing species. They're not just minding their own business & wanting to live in peace. As soon as the bugs colonize a planet & encounter some peaceful colonists, they slaughter them in cold blood. The Federation was actually wanting people to steer clear of bug occupied territories.
@@nebulous6660 Mormons colonize a bug planet first. There’s no mention of bugs colonizing the planet after the mormons got there.