Death - What happens if I don't end all the content of my consciousness? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Brockwood Park 1981 - Extract #1 from Public Meeting #3
"Death - What happens if I don't end all the content of my consciousness?"
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I was lucky enough to attend this talk that day. X
Penelope Stapleton very lucky indeed.
Ajay Singh she might have as you might have to.
did you end all the content of your consciousness that day?
Have you emptied your content?
@@4happinesslooking LOL.
I listened to him when in my 20s and am listening again. But 20 years passed and than there was a tremendous explosion of light from within me, immediately followed by tremendous laughter that the joke was on me as all my insight and meditation and listening had not accomplished the ending of thought and complete silence and the opening to an immense field that is now some 32 years latter still the condition of my mind. If your reading this than know that this light is within every human being and is the essence of everyone.
I'm listening to the talks for past 4-5 yrs
You've said that there was a tremendous explosion of light
But you still think all these meditation and talks didn't help and still you don't end attachment and not got insight K is talking about.
Is the explosion a illusion i don't get u
@@inspiregrow2336 His intellectual process was a failure. Dr. Bohm attempted dialogues with him in order to put into words or equations a step by step process but this failed. Selective attention and symbolization are simply a process of memory even if you deceive yourself into believing you are aware or attending to yourself. Right now if you lift your arm this movement is of the entire universe moving but your selective consciousness has selectively filtered this out. Every human being doing the good and evil they are doing is really the doing of the universe and therefore not a problem for you including yourself.
In my opinion the self is the only trouble I for one would see to it that psychologically I so live a life that there be no effort Technologically there is Peace that comes naturally paves the way
i dont get it
His brilliance was in his asking the right questions. Then in his insistence that you and I come up with our own answers by living fully. We fail when we rely on him and/or make him the final authority, guru.
Wowwww, I’m stunned, this is like the conclusion of everything I have learned so far, he is making it so clear, so practical and ending the content of our consciousness is the biggest service to mankind ❤
K freed himself ftom the whole content of the consciousness (his and also that of the whole humanity ) and invites us to do the same as there lies the quietness , love and compassion !
Thanks to all those who contribute to the continuation of his precious words ! 🙏
I find K’s talks on death so powerful and inspiring. My father died when I was eleven years old. It started my fascination with trying to understand death.
So did you understand it?
does anyone? This man didn’t, no body alive can understand it fully.
Krishna Murti actually helped me with the afterlife/death concept tremendously....yes!
He didnt really have one so how so?
Never heard a more clear message of what value and impact our life can have.
THANK YOU!! J KRISHNAMURTI.
tremendous power, love, compassion, thank you for sharing this
I was touched by every single word .Thank you J KRISHNAMURTI❤
not empty it, observe it and allow it to dissipate - it will always be there as long as you are alive 27:35 …
If I understand K's words correctly, holding on to content, at the minutest level, one is contributing to the stream of consciousness, hence responsible for the ongoing corruption and insanity on planet earth. As it's been said by another, the enemy is not outside, but inside the human brain. One is either contributing, hence strengthening the stream, or one by one,
stepping out, and contributing, via de-energizing the stream, towards changing or a mutation of human consciousness...
i think one may strengthen or weaken this stream of consciousness and yet water will always find a way through, like cutting canyons through stone.
i used to rationalize time as a means toward this "peeling back" of consciousness (perhaps i still subtly do), but now i am beginning to see there is a root in all this, hence his statements about ending it completely, instantly. moving down to that root cannot be done through will and analysis, i know now. from there begins the fun adventure, always doubting, turning the other cheek as the oft-quoted monk would say.
@@evanparker5400 How can it happen than? As you have realized how this doesn't work, did you find a way how it does happen?
@@evanparker5400 My experience is that it happens through practise. But maybe thats a wrong conclusion and it simply just happens
This point has been made many times in the Eastern tradition, but in my eyes it involves a critical error. It presupposes that there is one holistic stream of consciousness. But the problem with individuality is, even if you see through the disastrous nature of thought and step out, you'll eventually die and the rest goes on as it always has. Even if all humanity of one era were to make this radical change, the next generation would again fall into the old pattern. It is in our genes. Now you could argue that I am looking at things in a goal-oriented manner, I am looking for success or failure to see whether it is all worth it, which again is part of the problem. But K., despite all his claims that consciousness is not individual, cannot deny that on a physical level every particular person has to go through this change one by one and yet this does not change the nature of human consciousness, it will be reborn corrupted with every child born and every child will carry its burden of sorrow until it undergoes an inward mutation. There is no final resolution to this.
@@kooroshrostami27 "My" should really be a 3-dimensional location/association pronoun instead of a possession/ownership one. It has been said it is our belief to be an individual person that separates/divides. It's kinda like say the element Cobalt. Cobalt is Cobalt. My Cobalt in South America is no different than your Cobalt in Morocco. Is there really Cobalts or is there just one Cobalt that is the same everywhere you find Cobalt? We can see the rest of the world from a particular SAMPLE of Cobalt but how useful has that ever been? Especially when there is nothing fundamentally better or worse or greater or lesser about a particular Cobalt sample. In fact, in this analogy, If an experiment ONLY worked on a specific sample of Cobalt then we would be skeptical. Don't believe a word of this.
Only he can explain these things like this. ❤❤❤❤
Only those who already walk the path can overstand what he is saying
Fairly new to his talks. I would love to correct the transcript so that people who cannot understand his voice decibel or pitch, could read along when necessary. I checked my sound settings on my phone and was able to understand him much clearer. I love this deep self and life/death examination, and the idea that collective content of humanity forms our consciousness.
the man which is mention at near ending of this video is Aldous Huxley
Insight is the liberating factor, not the arguments .....JK
Like he said his only purpose was to set men free of all his conditioning....
Reincarnation is an antiqued, easily misunderstood theory. We, as individuals, are integration of physical and thoughts ( K called it organisms and psyche). Every action brings a reaction, that's a physical, impartial law, and thoughts are physical. Self-centered actions brought numerous reactions, conflicts, condensed into energy. Individual Souls re-incarnating is a center-based theory, the reverse of what sages taught, holding on this illusive individual ego that changes moment by moment. But the reality that actions generated effects are there, either constructive, destructive or neutral. It's condensed energy, essence. This energy exists and propels and manifests into this phenomenal world that we're living. Butterfly is gone, but the essence of its flipping remains and creates ripple effects in reality. Thanks K and friends.
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i wonder if we even know what was originally meant by the concept of reincarnation, even superficially so. for example, thought reincarnates endlessly, one form different than the next. it is possible to improve upon thought, it being material and having a basis. this concept could have been a product of minds which found certainty in knowledge, which is inadvertent cynicism, or the elite "saving" the masses from the arduous nature of spiritual exploration, which inhibits industry and commerce. any way, we can only understand something if we have experienced it ourselves.
on a related note, christian sects talk endlessly about death and meeting god in heaven after life. what life were they talking about? the physical life, or the life of consciousness? if it is the latter, then death may come sooner than we think. we can cling to it and allow it to rot, or let it go and allow the flowering of something incomprehensible.
Powerful.
Thank u jk .
Um assunto muito profundo e uma tradução absurda.
Beautiful...
The only person which can manifest his perception while living is he himself only.....
As I understand K stands apart from all the rest He really acts on many a level It is likely that depth study of whatever he has said written etc must of necessity add a great deal to the psychology amongst others which in itself would a profitable landmark
Precious . 🙏💞
This is excellent, if listen really ,will get Insight ,thanq k
The true Seer 👍
This man doesn’t explain paranormal events that even atheist scientists cannot explain. Speculation as he didn’t have a clue what happens after death just like none of us do.
What! A! Talk! 😌
Thanks, brilliant.
After death is much important because we are preparing for a life better than the life we have right now. Your spite at home.
O?? Ok. Who are you and what have you accomplished?✌
i think i know what you are saying. yes, life after death may be radically, fundamentally better, in the absolute. but how do you prepare for a life like that? i think you don't. you have to die to see it happen. so then, what is more important, the death which leads to the life you seek, or the image we make of life, which prolongs this death?
Our contribution to the collective content of humanity is affected by our attachments while we're physically alive and having thoughts. When our physical bodies die, the brain that allows thoughts dies (either immediately or in a matter of 15 or so minutes if only the heart has stopped), and then we decompose physically. Our energy, or decompressed energy must be released at death. Is it our consciousness?
I've never heard K speak before. It was like have a feast after fasting a few days. Thoroughly enjoyed.
So then why the hell did we come here for. It doesnt even make sense.
Thanks for posting. The volume is very low.
I don't understand how consciousness of mankind is common? Is K pointing out that all mankind have same problems like an individual have? Or there is something spiritual that connects all of the universe.. In addition, how can one contribute to the consciousness of mankind by emptying it's content.. No matter whatever we do we can still limit our insights to ourselves.. It is quite confusing for me Or i am too dumb to understand what is being said.
All fish swimming in a pond share the same water with one another. If one of the fish poisons the water in order to spite another fish, that fish is poisoning all of the fishes including itself. We all swim in the same water of consciousness, we have the same desires of hunger, thirst, greed, lust, envy etc. and the same feelings of fear, hope, happiness, sorrow, etc. Even the words that enter into your head belong to millions or billions of other people. You did not think those words up; they belong to humanity.
These are depths of insight that the ordinary man does not have, and can probably never have.
How did K get this insight? His own effort? or something external bestowed it on him? or was it a combination - something opened the door for him, and he walked himself thru it, to clarity, understanding and peace?
if something external is bestowing insight it is not true insight
Contemplation, meditation and being real in any kind of situation. Probably some studying too and lots of observing within and without...
@@Alex722 No way its only that. There are monks and priests dedicated 24/7 to meditation and self observation, yet they are no where near where KM is. Perhaps its certain reincarnation that gawe krisnamurti such extraordinary intellect, or he is 1 in a million born with such capability
Insight clearly means looking inward. No external , no meditation , no door he believed all these would lead to corruption. Infact he advocated not to consider him as a guru and to subjectively look into yourself.
Why should one be alone anyway? Just because brother Jiddu was alone in his life, maybe? Is it freedom if you can not attach to anyone but you wish that, like maybe he was trying to connect as a child? It is easier to end content if it is bad. But what if it is wonderful. How do we know what is the reason of Jiddu 's claims. We should belive him again. The content should be goodness and grace which one should demands every day all day long.
From my perspective - to be free of attachment does not mean you need to be alone. It is one of the ways. The art of being with some people and not being attached or amazed by the illusion is the art of love and freedom. Therefore, I can really love only if I am not attached. JK never said one must be alone. He repeated many times not to be with someone for security, comfort, power, tradition, achieving what you want and using a relationship as manufactory to produce your happiness. Me personally - I do not need to believe in the words of JK. He always talked in the way I can go through the whole process of clearing the truth about myself from any illusions. I can easily see what he talked about in myself on condition I am extremely honest with myself. Regards!
Can someone answer it?
I've understand almost every video I've seen so far but i cannot decipher this one, what if I don't end any content my counsiosness will go on after my death but so what if it still goes on? What i mean what? I am dead no one can see my counsiosness ?
Let me take a dig. Since my individual consciousness is the consciousness of whole of mankind, the humanity is still bound to those elements to which one is attached , so whatever part an individual clings too remains in the conciousness of the whole. And if an individual let go of all the attachments then he does bring about freedom from all the attachments for the whole of humanity.
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Generally I agree with you about the ordinary state of consciousness being collective, not my personal consciousness apart from the whole of humanity of which I am a participant along with you and everyone else. Krishnamurti pointed out succinctly that this collective consciousness is not only incomplete but its the grounding movement of the conditioning verb ‘to be’ and ‘not to be’ that is the language based mechanism for building the psychological data base of thought consisting of knowledge and experience.
The daily living activity of thought processes shows up all the limited qualities inherent in the content of consciousness (personal and impersonal) and therefore we are all caught in the web of images that manifest as ‘like’ and ‘dislike’. So the conditioned mind wants to gather up all the ‘liked’ feelings and things and discard the ‘disliked’ material. However, conditioning fails to recognise that memory has captured all the impacts and registered both the likes and the dislikes. Thought processes in attempting to seperate its content produce conflict, contradiction, pleasure and pain etc.
In looking into this miasma, Krishnamurti saw that insight that is not yours or mine shone light unto the limitations of fragmented consciousness and led him to ask is there a way of living completely without the division that obviously permeates the field of thought with its movement from a centre to the circumference and back again in a repetitive circle that is never ending.
The only change that is possible necessitated action as a whole that Krishnamurti describes as dying to the psychological known instantaneously while living and therefore being beyond the finite boundaries of old consciousness. Can we learn all that this insight offers also?
I believe what he is saying is that if you can free yourself from the content of your consciousness (fear, anxiety, etc), then death won't mean anything. Freedom from All attachment is freedom from fear and death therefore the question/concept of death ceases to be important, it ceases to be part of a liberated person's state of awareness - easier said than done though! 😊
@@constantinosconstantinou5284 . I agree with this explanation
Death means , death of ego . Ego is due to body mind identification, which is due to attachment. If we start practising detachment ( disassociating attachment ) every moment , then that bondage of attachment can be slowly removed . An earnest practice is required . Then fear of death of ego vanishes . A full mindful living is required 🙏
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Please add subtitles. Audio quality very poor
The women who kept their crying babies present not only distracted Krishnamurti and his listeners but hurt everyone present and hurt their babies by finding this man more important than them.
Chill dude you can still understand him.
Death - What happens if I don't end all the content of my consciousness? what the hell does that even mean? when you die you dont end it yourself, it just ceases and you cant do anything about it.
The content is your personality. Its all superficial, and ends when u die. If you dont end it yourself, you will end a life like any animal will. Completely unconscious. But if you do it consciously, you can end it today already, but not physical, you need your body to live, but mental, and start living life for real. Or as i like to say it: You live in life, you dont survive in life.
You are right.
He is only using words without any content and as nobody understands, there is no consiousness.
@@hmgadre he was always saying we are all one consciousness
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Constant wanting.......
Very precious (The Subtitles are terrible by the way!)
What you are seeing are automatic captions.
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Thank you
Voice is very poor, I am unable to follow.
Can someone elaborate when he said you contribute enormous to that consciousness when you empty out the whole content. But the stream ( content in world mind ) is still floating even though absent of you than how do you contribute ?
by what you are not contributing; violence, acquisitiveness, judgement... consciousness as a stumbling block to clarity
it takes 1 to make 2, and 1 can affect the entire consciousness of the world. 1/7 billion is only insignificant to the fragmented mind.
I suspect transition by one individual to the empty state somehow makes that transition 'easier' and so the state more accessible to others.
The stream remains but the observer, the does transforms into the 'entity' into "that" which is the background of "all that is"
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K..... ❤️
hehe ..atleast you always accept that you are speechless ..and not just forcing out a comment prasing him
question? if I acquire more knowledge learn something new I have added to my Consciousness too right?? or no?
mikebusiness32 An education in architecture for example is likely to increase awareness and appreciation in that domain. So I would say that education has the potential to increase sensitivity, and thereby consciousness - depending on the assumed meaning of that word.
@@CollaterlieSisters yes education does increase consciousness!! But we all know knowledge is not the answer there's always more knowledge scientists always find more studies more truth/facts!! He's talkin about something Beyond consciousness!! Where there is ending there is a new beginning
Yes.
@Nocentre Noborder why do you say so? One can definitely add more to the consciousness- like many generation have!!!...
why do you ask? what do you want by way of knowledge, and is knowledge in any way hindering or disquieting your life?
Isn’t this just Buddhism 101?
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Atlast jk accepted that there is a reincarnation..
I want to join jk...
It is totally false that true learned Indians believe that we seek for a better life in next birth. It is true for majority of the Indians who have learned western ideologies like Krishnamurti...! This is not true Indian knowledge...!
The experience of a true Indian is that the creation is an illusion and there is no death nor the beginning...!
I do not want to get into the whole details....one find it oneself...!
It is also so strange that at the end he accepts of re-incarnation without telling it clearly...! He clearly says that, when we do not wipe out the content, we are responsible to keep the consciousness alive (this also means that, even physical body dies, the consciousness still lives).
You have not understood, declutter your brain with old conditioning and then you will experience what JK is talking about the universal consciousness and how it continuous even after our death. The new breeds get trapped in the same conciousness....never ending cycle.
You're speaking from your own knowledge from your own experience which means you have never done this krishnamurti is talking about ending consciousness !!! ending attachments$$ and the benefit from it!!! You're missing the point$ just because you don't see it right now I don't know how old you are but that doesn't mean that it's not true especially coming from this guy!! What a true friend he is telling me the truth☺✌
@@mikewright902 I have no doubt about JK, he is indeed a great guy... But one must explore more about oneself with all the literature.. looking at a mirror from one angle may not serve holistic purpose.
@@kevincastelino3338 what universal consciousness ? when did you come to know the earth is a sphere ? human lived before that also. learn more than dream more
@@sanjeymeghavath3986 he is saying to end everything psychologically not know more (this is not dynamic programming lol to know different approaches or view points is childish as there is no end mind will just create illusion that end is near atleast it has always created this illusion for me so I know) he is asking to end everything you have known now psychologically and don't ask me anything on how coz I don't know