Death and the ending of consciousness 1 | J. Krishnamurti
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Death and the ending of consciousness 1
Extract from the thirteenth conversation with Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, 1974.
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every time I listen to his talk, no matter which talk, it's like listening to it for the first time. amazing how it just sweeps away all the junk in my mind ... a cleaned up mind ... aaah, now I can feel the breeze :)
@@nyimakgan this comment sent shivers through me cause i said the exact same thing earlier today on another comment relating to something i witness and ever since then its like i can constantly learn no matter how mant times i watch it and its like a beautifully new experience, words cant comprehend it yet the joy it lets of yearns for it to be shared
@@jedidiahjoseph7122 I hope this would many more others would corroborate More importantly in my case while reading or listening to K I feel a peculiar sense of elation unlike anything else ever having-I hesitate to say experience _because the way K has given almost epiphanic meaning at once transformating and uplifting "beyond"To be true to myself I must admit that there can' has been or ever hereafter be the like of Him Such to me is the LIVING presence of the Man as it relates to the known equally unknown history of the dimensions I 'in my own but unquestionably privileged right which I value above all else This is to say the least
this is very true no one ever says stop this cycle now
If we always are aware of the ending, the end- we will understand the whole process of living and dying, because-like Krishnaji says- they both are together, go together.
Sir, thank you very much, from the bottom of my heart, your great teachings and guidance. I had learnt a lot from you. Is so wonderful. 🙏
After that we can see we are an amount of flesh, blood and some old memories. The possibility of finding something new will make a new human being out of us, and a new world can be born.
How wonderful this was. Thank you.
What great human beings! Both of them.
This is amazingly deep thinking that I have to watch it three times. So much intellect in Mr Krishnamurti
I got enlightened listening to this talk.
Thanks for the video sir thank you so much
The things you do for yourself are gone when you are gone, but the things you do for others remain as your legacy.
but they die eventually too
May be, but most of us live selfish lives, we just need to admit it. We care more about ourselves, how much $ we can store in our bank accounts, what material things we can acquire, and how much influence we can have. How many people truly live for others and humanity? Very few.
@@GOD999MODE most things are born out of selflessness. Selfishness doesn’t have to be a negative thing too.
@@dotdashdotdash humans die not humanity its for eternity
@Za3boor yeah
I can't wait for the next one 🙂
It'll be released next Saturday 🙂
Great Dialogue ! Worthwhile To Discover Our True Self
Brilliant, thanks
You are the god of yourself.
Thank you. Blessed be.♡
Thank you
What a beautiful conversations! The professor is all agog, how both listen to each other!
Some tough discussions are going on in here, very interesting 🤔
A great discussion 👌
Thank you for this video
What is consciousness?
Consciousness is its content, content is consciousness. Two r not separate,
Content we says that my furniture my belives, I m that ...
Seer and seen are one ie knower is not separate from known! The perceiver and perceived are one.
Hmm. Is a space in my room the same as the furnitures that i have within it? ;)
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Your are asking, about the relationship between matter and space. What is matter ? It is made up of atoms. Most of what is atom is space. We experience solid, liquid, gad as physical properties, not inherent qualities. Now atoms is made of subatomic particles. Now the shortest definition of electron as we know now is "the probabllity of a potentiality of something being there". And tit si not defined yet clearly, what is meant by "something", "being" and "there". Now if you look at a proton what gives it mass is not any mass as such but the frequency of the vibration of energy within it.
So according to modern science, the only difference between the furniture in your room and the space in your room is the human perception of it, which has basis on the human survival technique. It is not a perception of the absolute.
Amazing.
Love
looking forward for the second part
Not necessarily. But if Truth finds *you* and you start to experience things that are outside your relm of human experience you begin to question and look for answers. And what if "God", The Universe or what have you stops time where there is no "story of you" and your past events of ill- behavior are gone and you just start behaving differently with no coercement.
Agreed with Mr. Krisnamurti on Perceiver and Perceived aren't 2 but only ☝️..Without Perceiver, Perceived is just as they were naturally until Perceiver given ID to the Perceived and that were where Conflicts, CHAOTICS and whole set of different emotions started as Love, Hates, Jealousy, Envious, Discrimination and etc..Mr. Krisnamurti talks aren't for average mindsets but for those who are his levels or in similar of his Vibes to understood his explanations..Often times, peoples were asking kinda Dumbfounded hilarious 🤣 questions and on the other hands there were those like scientist's would love to pick his brain and still misunderstood his explanations 😆..
When Krishnamurti says that the content of consciousness is not separate from consciousness, he must have meant 'consciousness' in the sense of cognition. Because empirically, the object of cognition is not separate from the cognitive process. But Consciousness as such is separate from cognition. If it were not so, then the self would have never ceased to cognise, even in deep sleep.
No. It just means as it sounds. For example :- Ocean and and it's content i.e. water are one and same. 😇
@@amittidke2230 without water there is no ocean
@@amittidke2230 Jiddu Krishnamurti is a contemporary non-dualist, so his approach must be different. But the ancient non-dualists or the present Advaitins contend Consciousness or Intelligence to be prior to the biological formation of the embryonic mind.
Edit: The advaitins don't use the term "prior". Instead, they contend Consciousness to pervade the biological mind.
@@pallabidutta968 There is only consciousness. Even the physical forms are an expression of consciousness and are made of consciousness. So Krishnamurti literally meant consciousness and its content is one.
The manifested universe is not separate from consciousness. Forms appear not just in consciousnes, but as consciousness.
Consciousness, cognition and perception are different names for the same reality. In deep sleep there is only pure cognition and nothing else; therefore, the cognitive act cannot happen due to the lack of an object.
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The Doctor realized that it will take most people millions of years to break out of cyclic existence. The Hindu he talked to laughed at his understanding ability because he understood something obvious that is hidden. This does not mean that he is a hypocrite. He just reacted to Dr. Furthermore, he knows that in the end everyone will achieve liberation. In fact, consciousness and its content are a unit. One cannot separate cognition from its object because it appears within it. In other words, we are not subjects who perceive objects in the world. We are perception itself.
Karma is based on cause and effect. We implicitly believe in it when we can see cause and effect just like I have to study for exams to pass it. And a farmer has to sow the seeds to reap the crop. I will not touch a hot pan because it will burn. It is as simple as that. In a lot of cases however the effect cannot be seen immediately so people do not take karma seriously.
In psychological world, not being aware of what is happenings within us and knowing that I am the product of thought, is a bad karma. The direct perception that thought is divisive by nature, places us in the sanctuary where sin can't touch.
The body is a unit. So when the tooth bites the tongue, the whole body feels the pain, not just the tongue. The very tooth feels it too. The same goes for the universe. It is a unit. Therefore, when I cause suffering, I suffer in the same way. In the case of the body we have physiological laws. In the case of the universe, we have the Laws of Consequence and Rebirth.
Is there a video that precedes this that elaborates his initial comments about the beloved being perceived as the perceiver and the necessity of action?
You can watch the whole series of discussions. Just type Jiddu Krishnamurti with Alan W Anderson on youtube...
I 'm wonderding ,how the India will look if majority of indian are as learned as him.
Am I right, with following? Say that ”death” knock my door. Then, I’m very frightened or just let come in to take everything away, if this, then it will be an inward reborn.
The next question would be. Who knocked the door? Was not the awareness of the whole?
Touche !
This question needed to be asked and surprisingly or rather not so surprisingly no one did yet !
The belief in reincarnation does not prove reincarnation, but it proves that humanity shares common fears and hopes. It also shows that humanity can collectively find comfort in a thought, including thoughts whose truth is not proven. There would be nothing wrong with that if it wouldn't prevent people from acting now and consciously right.
Why do we need comfort in that sense ?
Well they aren’t just thoughts are they? Some reincarnation cases that have physical injuries to the person who had died are very strange. How is that explained?
benji- you have missed the teaching he is not denying it he is saying so what it is the same wheel
More simple becomes paralyzed in analysis.
It needs so much energy..
Mm,mm...mm,mm, mm,mm..the other guys favorite expression..all the way through lol
i was reading about K's past lives and then this video comes up
Where are you reading about K’s past lives?
@@boyeneni Probably the Akashic Records.
"I mean this, they are not just words" (... he says, saying effectively nothing whatsoever). This is like all my stoned or tripping conversations, but less interesting.
Consciousness is NOT a human Component... It is a FUNCTION involving 2 Components; 1/. An Analytical Processing System involving Time, and 2/. AWARENESS or LIFE which is Non-Dimensional, NOT representing or looking like any any Species, including the human species, and exists outside, what humans interpret as their Universe, but the Universe is a small 'Holographic Simulation', displayed in a Display Register, ( forming your field of Vision in AWARENESS ) of "The Processing System of LIFE".
Bouncing my Brian
Brian? Who is Brian? 🤔
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I BELIEVE WHAT I THINK I KNOW... however, "GOD
One of the earliest examples of the phoney Spiritual guide.
Since then it's become a booming industry . The great P T Barnum was right ! There never will be a shortage of Rubes !!
mmm hmmm...
I must have been a horrible person in my last life.
where is part ll ? There isn´t ? If someone has it, publish the link, please !
ruclips.net/video/y0TRNTFDg7I/видео.html
mmm...hmmm
Hi the interviewer said he wants to continue talking on this notion, are u guys gonna upload the next conversation of this subject?
Next Saturday, 2nd October 2021.
@@KFoundation Thanks!😁
where's part 3?
Consciousness carries once the body is dropped.
And you know this how?
henryjoseph so what it is the same me i ego end it now then there is something very different
This video makes 2 claims about Hinduism which are extraordinary.
FIRST - Cause and Effect
It says Hindus use karma as a clever means to continue to do nasty things because there is a never ending cycle and the pain can be postponed to the next phase and so on. This is an extraordinary claim because I have not seen a hindu or anyone else who talks about karma interpret it in this sense. (And nowadays everyone and his aunt talks of karma not just the hindu). But Karma is not the only theory of cause and effect in Hinduism. There are much deeper discussions on cause and effect at much fundamental levels of reality than just karma.
At the most fundamental level, Hinduism at its acme - Advaita Vedanta - not only is not about cause and effect, it actually negates the theory of Cause and Effect as defined in ancient India, which is a more high level view.
In Indian thought, both theism and atheism have their bases on cause and effect. There are two initial divergent paths in Hinduism based on the inter relationship of cause and effect.
1. Asatkarya vada / Aaramba vada (beginning / creation theory ). This theory says the cause and effect are separate from each other and effect is a new production from cause. Effect cannot be pre existent in the cause because if it is, then why should it need to be caused or produced? cause becomes meaningless.
2.Satkarya vada / Parinama vada ( modification / evolution theory). This theory says the cause and effect are not separate from each other. Effect is pre existent in cause because if it is not, anything can come out of anything. In practice we see the same effect come from the same cause repeatedly. Curd comes from milk because it is inherent in milk, else sand can also come out of milk.
In today’s western context, we can see the Abrahamic Creation theory and the Scientific Evolution theory parallels in the above. Only parallels, not congruence, because the above vadas are not talking about someone up there creating images of himself.
Both the theories base themselves on the cause and effect, and there are a series of arguments from both sides which weakened the other’s case, cancelling each other out.
3. Vivarta vada - And it is into this vacuum that the acme of Hinduism established its space, the theory of Advaita Vedanta. This is the Vivarta vada or Alteration / appearance theory. It negates and discards Cause and Effect as the bases of reality and proposed the theory of appearance as the reason. Some try to find parallels to Parinama vada here in that apparently Advaita also says that effect is inherent in cause. But what advaita really claims is that REALITY is neither cause nor effect but just a singularity. Due to flawed vision, there is an appearance of effect from a cause, but on closer observation the effect is only an appearances as it collapses into just the singularity. These are the theories of cause and effect at the fundamental level in Hindu thought
SECOND - Consciousness
JK is seen mixing up the concepts / versions of consciousness. If he is sticking to one of the meanings - either western or indian, there is no issue, because you can say it is a question of language / choice of words. But here he first defines consciousness in terms of conventional western view as mind and its transactioncs and then equates the same meaning with the Hindu advaita vedanta thought. This creates unnecessary confusion about both the versions for a new listener. In Hindu thought, they don’t say that consciousness (Atma) is subject to reincarnation. In fact they say consciousness is not subject to birth, growth, transformation, decay or death. Then what reincarnates ? It is the subtle body which is a bundle of impressions (= vasanas) left behind by the actions, thoughts, emotions, experiences .. If you argue that “oh but by consciousness I mean subtle body only”, then you shouldn’t have said “universal consciousness”. It is no different from saying “universal mind” which is a contradiction in terms for the hindu. Because there is no such thing as universal bundle of impressions / vasanas. Yes vasanas is of poorer boundaries than physical body and it can be split into 2 or thousand parts as the case may be, but it is not infinite singular. Once I say Karma, reincarnation, and universal consciousness in the same breath and claim the hindus say so, I need to get it right from the hindu perspective.
So, do hindus not talk about karma ? Yes. But Karma happens in the realm of appearance and not in the singularity. So Karma is still valid in the realm of appearance, but when the appearance is no more, karma has no meaning. (In corollary, it is when karma matures that appearance collapses into singularity).
JK is a highly learned intellectual, who has studied so many philosophies from across the world. A couple of mis pronunciations do no define his vast body of work. This is how the accused in this video - the hindu - thinks. But, JK's audience in the video breaks into giggles and take away a false conclusion.
Hence this comment.
exactly, hypocrites.
It’s all based on Buddhists beliefs.
Jiddu seems desperate to prove that eastern philosophy is wrong, yet he doesn’t know what is death..if there is common consciousness, then there should be a super consciousness, which we call god. So if there is god, then your karmas must account for something…
Whether those things are true or not makes no difference whatsoever! What matters is not being held down by a belief and to keep looking at oneself in a constate continuous state of life, love, and death.
You are making a big leap jumping from saying the presence of common consciousness is _PROOF_ of a super consciousness and therefore god while offering no evidence for making that conclusion
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vijmajornboosek Jiddu does not prove it wrong he is trying to get one to end the cycle of death and rebirth its obvious end the me the i
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U people in the comments must be waaaayyy more "spiritual" than me or something because I'm in amazement at how much hypocrisy and fear has been going on with the human race for the past 1000's of years....
Anyone pls make me understand what he is saying
he is taking about consciousness as its content like everything there is the content which is the consciousness like u be what u believe in that is ..and then he follows to death is the ending of consciousness that is the content u see its not easy to understand him so u have to pause and think all content or the consciousness comes to an end in time of death and then he breaks the myth of rebirth as all man kind consciousness might have some variations or difference but there types are all same which lead to the question if we all are same then karma and the cycle of rebirth although it happens its common consciousness and since its not divided by the content of consciousness there has to be no separate karma which is u born rich depend on ur good deeds is silly and the hypocrites gurus from east are propagating that
The content of consciousness is you all the fears,anxiety,agony as he explained early if u haven't got it yet then watch the video again thankyou
Dear friend ,. You have to understand your own self what is He telling . It's a good symptom that you felt He is bouncing your brain . He is telling us to feel something while we are alive . After death nothing left to feel . This much I understood . We will wait for others ' opinion on this content .
Most of what Krishnamurti is trying to get across in his “talks” is for humanity to get out of their minds and live a life consciously, with magnetism and vibrancy, and without constant “content.”
Basically it takes a tremendous amount of meditation and discipline. You have to perfect yourself by developing mindfulness, clarity of thought, and power of discernment.
Just continue to watch his other videos,you will understand
K is known for not encouraging or suggesting to act according to a belief but when it comes to belief in reincarnation, he always in most of the talks about this subject insist on the point of people not truly living according to their belief of “living good life now to be better in next life” . Why didn’t K simply say reincarnation belief is utterly false( like he denies belief in god) but rather seems to validate belief? This is very puzzling to me
That's in line with buddhism (even tho he groups it with other religions) and it puzzles me too.
he said that indirectly
coz reincarnation of body and memories of the specific person is rubbish
but reincarnation of the content of consciousness is true
people are born and then are accompanied with lust, materialistic desires, same love theory and then they die and another person is born who also have the same set of things
which means content of consciousness are born again and again or per say its common.
I assume what he's trying to say through that statement is "to live with the belief of reincarnation could possibly limit your abilities to question your actions in order to live a good life for yourself and for others. You could possibly live in a delusion of a supposed good life without being conscious about it. When he says to life a good life and hence you would have better life in the next is a simple as completing your life cycle with content not thinking about the next life (if it exists) which allow you to exploit your abilities to the max In order to become the truest form of your self in your present life cycle. He denounces God as most of the differences and conflicts are related to different groups believing in different gods and apparently it's a competition to find which God is the best 😅. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps in clearing your confusion if it makes sense 🙏
@@memifier007 makes sense. thank you
@@boyeneni ur welcome
I can't understand what he is saying
listen to his discussions with school children, easy to follow
Just listen with complete attention..
Don't worry. Don't make any effort. Please stay with 'what is'. Everything will be taken care of. Nothing is left behind. Persist. Patience has no time. Impatience is always time bound. Happy listening (of K's tapes). 👍👍👍
For you there's an option "CAPTION"
"Conscious is common ... the unknown ... Let's call it unknown for the moment. I am frightened of the unknown (myself-- my conscious and its content ... )" ....
Humans think that their conscious is known: they think that they know about themselves, while they have no idea that their conscious is common, and the same as others'.
That's the reason that they cannot understand others if they don't understand themselves.
Another way to say, the fact that one cannot understand or cannot love others is the indication that he has no idea about himself, for real, not material that can land on a piece of paper, called "resume" the rot --the result of conditioning.
"The reality of consciousness, consciousness is its content.
The content is the consciousness"....
Do I aware of myself, to catch all these?