Pegboards are useless... Power Of French Cleats - How to - Introduction
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- I've lost my love for pegboards. They have become obsolete to me in their current state. I would like to introduce to you something that will change the wall you thing of hanging and organizing. The Frech Cleat Wall
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I think of pegboards/pegboard walls as being used to hang a large variety of small hand tools (screwdrivers, wrenches, hammers, etc.). These are really cool and I definitely see a utility for them in certain situations, but I don't see them replacing pegboard for what I consider it's main purpose.
Thank you. Keeping my pegboards. 👍🏻
Congratulations, turd
Why not ? If pegboards work for you, why would you replace them ? That’s just fine.
🤣 the idea is to work smarter not harder.
I have both. I like pegs for certain tools and I like french cleats for more robust holders
@@Scott-xw6eg rude.
French cleats: a great way to hang pegboard.
Takes down peg boards to build a super expensive peg board hanging system. On it.
This video was more about design than practicality. Most workshops have really a lot of tools.
Toolboxes with easy to pull drawers is what is needed.
"Drawers are where tools go to die" ~ Adam Savage
French cleats are great for hanging heavy mirrors, cabinets etc. Looks like this would be overkill and a lot of work for shop and tool organization. But to each his own. Great video.
After building a cleat system for my studio - I agree. Cost & time involved aren't worth it for small-medium items.
My next studio & garage/workshop will have a different system.
Cleats will be for select heavy items & will most likely be more of a single strip/ledger system
I discovered French cleats about 30 years ago when I had a heavy mirror to hang. The mirror needed to be centered above a sink, but the the studs behind the wall were not centered behind the sink. With the French cleat I attached the wall part to two studs and let it overhang, so I could center the mirror where I needed it. It worked perfectly.
On the other hand, I don't see using French cleats to hang hammers, pliers, and screwdrivers like I would on pegboard.
If you think it might be overkill, check out the first 3 seconds of this video. This guy has several walls of these:
ruclips.net/video/MpFukTlrgjo/видео.html 😮
This is a great system for anyone who has a summer/seasonal home they occasionally do work on. Super simple way to bring all your tools with you, and still have proper organization at minimal cost
I joined team pegboards.
My closet system is a french cleat system. didnt know it though until i saw your video. its held up for over 10 yrs now. Its called Easy Closet. I love it. Leaves the floor space clear.
That is awesome!
But you can do every thing with pegboards, plus saving time and space!
You just love the look of french cleat that's all!
Your accessories are awesome.
And that's why pegboard/slatwall remains king, the amount and variety of mass market accessories made for the system.
I was skeptical at first but after seeing that display in your office space Ive got all sorts of ideas thanks for the quarantine project
Great to hear Adam. I would love to see what you come up with!
I’ll stick with my peg board. It provides a much cleaner look.
Eww, gross
@@Scott-xw6eg if you’re talking about that dudes teeth lmao ya 😂
@@marlonestrella8105 lol man
Great video! I’ve done carpentry for a few years and this resonated for sure. I was always impressed how STRONG wall cleats are. It’s the most dependable system I can think of for hanging weight from walls.
Glad you liked it! Ya i'm still amazed by it. I've even pulled myself up on a cleat and it's amazing !
I think pegboard looks better and is more flexible since you can place a hook anywhere, both horizontally AND VERTICALLY. You can now get colored plastic pegboard. Black looks great in my home gym. Maybe there's a reason nobody used french cleats anymore?
If you can make a set of French cleats to display/ hang power tools like the pegboard system, then I'm all eyes and ears. My house came with a pegboard in the garage and I am barely getting around to organizing the power tools in it. I am adding a few battery holders and chargers to it. But if you can accomplish the same goal: organizing/displaying, while looking good and being modular, then I would prefer this system, over a pegboard.
Mmmh it’s smart and neat but doesn’t replace pegboards BECAUSE you don’t have options to adjust the storage space via french cleats as they are like regular shelves. Pegboards allow you to move up or down, side to side depending on what you need within a moment.
Pegboards are vastly superior for spacing your smaller tools exactly the way you want. Obviously they are not designed for holding heavier items. That is the entire point - different methods have different uses. You can't dismiss pegboards and say that everyone needs to go with French cleats. Your system here would be entirely useless for the tool wall in my garage and would use up way more space.
Interesting to see when you know the (super smart) guy design a whole pegboard (multiboard)🤩
They were common for fitting kitchen wall cupboards fifty years ago... And it is exactly what a picture rail is! French cleats are great for hanging heavy stuff when you keep changing your mind where you want it. For small hand tools pegboard rules. I have 137 tools mounted on my wall above my bench. Try that with cleats. For other stuff shelves, trolleys and trays have their place. Not saying french cleats aren't useful, just that they are not the answer to everything.
Oh, of course they are not the answer for EVERYTHING but for me they cover a good 90%. Especially in very dynamic location like my workshop or office when one moment it's a photo studio and the next it's a vr modeling space then a workshop 😂
@@Keep-Making They are also good for collecting dust.
@@Keep-Making What do you have in your workshop, 5 wrenches and 2 screwdrivers? Anyone who has a wide selection of tools and wants to arrange them optimally uses a pegboard. When you need to hang heavier items, you can go for cleats or just buy a hanging system and save yourself a lot of time.
French Cleats can replace the Big Bang theory. :p
@@AlDim000 Did you not read my comment? I clearly state how many tools I have on my pegboard. That number has increased, over time.
Mastah!! You in me top 3 YT channels mate!!
I love the idea of french cleats. My problem is how to cut the wood at 45 degrees without a table saw. I love woodworking and have made many creations using wood cut by b&q, then a circular saw, a kreg jig, then sanded. I know the circular saw can do 45 degrees cuts, but I can't work out how to do it safely and accurately on such narrow bits of wood.
Hey Paul, I'm glad you're a fan of the idea and I'm a big advocate of safety so thanks for thinking that threw. Honestly, if I had to do with without a table saw I would use a jigsaw or at a push the hand saw on top of a fit of kingspan / sturdy foam insulation. of some kind. All so remember that the wood does not need to be narrow to start with. Maybe cutting the 45 degrees in first and then cutting down a strip might be the way to go? Good luck, stay safe and let me know how it goes.
Circular saw with adjustable blade 👍
Buy a large sheet, cut 45 degrees with a circular saw and then cut off a strip or use a router with a 45 degree chamfer bit. If it's pure function your going for and not aesthetics you can cut relatively short lengths (1 - 3 feet) with a handsaw or use a hand plane if your working with wood and not synthetic boards like ply or mdf. Some of my French cleats are dog rough but work just fine.
If I were to use a circular saw, I'd start with a wider plank that can support the saw's shoe completely - cut your 45 degree angle and then straighten the blade to cut the strip of wood to the desired width. As you've said, starting with a narrow length of wood that requires support from another plank and then using clamps is risky.
Wake me up when you make a video about French Toast
Flat pack & mail out those reversable hanging shelves your making. Im not a tool person but i could use some of those shelves. They look great!
I like the removable pegboard, makes it easy to take down and throw in the trash, where pegboard belongs. Wall space in my shop is precious and tends to be covered with cabinets, shelves, parts trays, etc.
Out of all the garage organisation videos, this has inspired me the most. I think the reason why this is so cool is because it’s adaptable to your requirements. I like to move stuff around didn’t want to permanently mount a pegboard just in case I had a different way of configuring things.
SENSATIONAL! Can't wait to begin getting stuck into this. Thanks for sharing!
French cleats are great… if you want to spend hours making them, putting them all up, creating all of the accessories for them, etc. With a peg board, you buy the damn thing from Home Depot put the thing up in a split second, and cheap accessories for them are available almost anywhere.
It's a system for hanging small, less-useful pegboards.
You are a wood architect - in UX this is the design System😀 good luck 👍
I have a pegboard in my garage. My wife has cleats in her craft room. Each has their own use I suppose.
I think it’s matter of personal preference, honestly wanted to do that set up but end up with pegboards and that happened because it was cheaper. I mean a sheet of 4’x8’ coat 20$ and pegboard might be ugly or outdated but the work and that what you want.
I think pegboards are pretty
Interesting simple but very functional
Such clever ideas... I don't know why this system, along with many of your hanging accessories haven't already been commercialized.
Just made me miss the laser cutter in my old classroom, mostly. Cleats might be good in my garden shed, though.
My wife actually has asked for me to explore French Cleats in addition to hers
HAY OHHHH
I'm wondering what the OP's thoughts are comparing/contrasting french cleats with their Multiboard project.
I note that there is a cleat mounting option for Multiboard tiles, so they're probably quite complementary with direct attachment to the cleats being useful for heavier items that the tiles can't support.
My thoughts on the French aside, plywood and wood in general is super expensive, cleats are somewhat custom and hard to interchange, cumbersome, very limited in where you put things due to the spacing of rails. Pegboard and some dedicated shelves win in my book.
I used this method, but using "FomeCore" as the substrate instead of wood, to hang 70+ photographs/artwork on my livingroom wall.
I use garage door track to hang tv's, simple and strong....2 sections facing each other interlock nicely and you can slide them left and right. French cleats are better for flush mounting, however.
Just a little reminder to everyone, tools down and go brush ya teeth!
Cleat walls are useless when you have a lot of tools that generally use a mounting point equal to a nail hole. thus pegboards will always be the cheapest and most versatile of all storage options.
It doesn't look like you have much hand tools, just a lot of 'stuff'.
Sxe, you do realize 4:00 I say that I do use pegboards right.... and by no means are these my tools. This is my office... I'll be having most of my tools on a bed board system then will be on a clean so I glad move everything around really easily.
Beautiful and thoughtful
That is super elegant. Very neat!
Thank you Jenjamin.
I'm glad you are a fan of it.
I'm still exploring the idea but I really am loving it.
So you put french cleats into a homemade version of a pegboard on the back of that storage system...all while biching about and trying to avoid pegboards?
You better stop giving woodworker’s secrets away. No, but seriously, French cleats are ridiculously useful! I always inlay mine into the back of my projects and people can’t understand how I hang some heavy pieces.
You'll never be able to stop me! mahahahaha.
Ya they really are amazing... They still amaze me every day as I come up with new and crazy ways to use mine. Still I need to get round to doing a load baring test as some point just for the hell of it.
@@Keep-Making Idk, I imagine that would take quite some time to test out all the variables and set conclusive results on.
Wow! The look and flexibility of your storage has just blown my mind! Glad I found your vid and channel. Thanks!
Seriously ?
So, basically a pegboard with fewer mounting points. Got it.
I prefer the pegboards, but these are neat and I had never heard of them before. They would be handy in my craft room or garage maybe in addition to my pegboards.
You have inspired me beyond all expectations.
Thank You So Much.
Now you have a new subscriber.
Awesome, thank you!
Even if the videos is kinda 3 years old... French cleat was at this time no secret : D
Great video, I really want to create new gadgets for this system. Thank you
Well I look forward to seeing what you make 😀.
Thanks for this absolutely fabulous way to organize.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good Guy Maker Tales. The files are still available for free
Have you tested max weight with your design? I presume screw spacing makes most of the difference. I really need them for my filament dry boxes. Each holds about 5 1Kg spools plus the weight of the box. Any ideas?
Hey Robin, I love the idea of using it for filament storage. In fact, that is one for the idea I'm thinking of using my cleats for myself. Well, I can tell you right now that I have put all my weight on just one of my cleats and they held up. Yes, screw spacing is a big part and if you can get a stud even better. I would advise not using OSB or MDF for the cleat as they can break apart quite quickly. I hope that helps.
@@Keep-Making I was actually thinking about Oak, Poplar or other hard wood. More expensive but works well. Also, I am putting them into cement walls. So studs aren't the issue. I hadn't thought about how they are used for kitchen cabinets. ;-)
Thanks so much! I was about to invest in pegboards but I love this system so much more not it’s so versatile!
Great to hear Jiennaloveice,
I love my cleat walls. They have become an extension of my workspace both with storage and functionality. The only minor downside is as it's so "new" you have to make every idea you have for the wall, but at the same time it's one of the reasons why I love it too. Keeps me creating.
Maker Tales my fiancé is actually really good at making wood crafts so I think it will work for us I sent him your video I can’t wait to get started
They also look better than a pegboard
Fantastic Thanks
t=1min16s wrong. You don't cut 2 pieces of wood.
It's THE SAME BOARD. Think about what you have left over after that cut.
Pretty cool! You should router your doors 🚪 so you can hang things like a calandar on it
I think you meant to say French fleet of ships ⚓️ very cool keep up the great work 👍
🤣😂🤣
Ah oui oui, I love French cleat
not sure of this, but I love French Clits.
Not understanding your all in enthusiasm. Yes its good for strength and the ability to move an item from place to place. But you can also do that with pegboard. Need more strength? Use metal pegboard. Use thicker pegboard. Use stronger hanging adapters or whatever you call them (hooks?). French Cleats are so limiting because of the vertical spacing between them. I would have made the spacing much less. I think the main reason people like French Cleats is they just hate the look of pegboard. People associate with rotting cardboard. If its got a silver finish it looks great. The solution is buy quality metal pegboard and use it for decades. And know your hook/hanging options well. And remember, both systems are vulnerable if an item on the wall is jostled upward.
new ideas for me thanks
Like like the idea, gonna do this in my house. Thanks for sharin, keep on doing the good Work ❤️
You’re welcome 😊 Cin Chan!
I’m renting so peg board let’s me have my wood shop flow with minimal structural changes
3:42 is when he starts putting stuff on the french things
nice locking mechanism
Thought u were the “yeah I got skills what ya gunna do about it” guy
What was the name of the song you used?
Looks nice and all but they don't replace pegboard in any capacity
i am not permitted to put holes in walls and have extremely tiny rooms so shelves that sit in the floor are not an option. the ceiling is higher than average, though so i was thinking shelves around the room above head level, about 7' above the floor. any ideas? i sew and i paint so i am crafty but i do not have a clue about building. new journey:)
That sounds like quite a tricky situation. Without being able to add any fittings to a wall I don't know if there is a solid solution. Sorry wish i had a better idea.
Hi, thanks for your video, where did you get your french cleats hooks and support?
Do you have a video or plans on how to make that storage bins you made. I need something like that
cool idea!
Damn!!! Wish I know someone in nyc with a shop. If tinted with a darker maroon shade it will match so perfectly with my apt I would literally have them everywhere
I know the feeling... Thus I got myself a table saw 😂
look for a makerspace.
How about NO. Peg boards look neater and uniformed.
Mate, I wanna hang shovels, rakes, extension cords, ladders etc. This simply won't do.
Right.... , i'm sorry to say that I don't think you had look at enough Cleat video of workshop and seeing everything hung up on them...
Holy moley!!! Groovy baby !!!
WOW You're work is beautiful!!!...I am artistic and creative But totally ignorant when it comes to the artistry of woodwork, but have ordered a french cleat board to organize my tools since pegboard is now so overpriced since it is super fashionable to have in the arts community 😊...some of us regular novices can't afford hundreds of dollars for storing our paints, lol...I cannot make my own cleat storage but noticed you were using hooks as the cleats?
Could you let me know where I may purchase these or anything similar to attach to my own containers to hook over the wooden cleat wall bars?
Many Thanks, Sarah 💖
If you install this, prepare for your your tools to retreat.
The real advantage of the French cleat system for me is that I can easily make holders suited to my work flow. Plus take them off of the wall and place them on my bench where I may need them. An example would be the auger bits to the work bench, or the sanding block collection to the project.
Some items merely need a cleat attached to them to make them more versatile, such as the speakers for my music just needed a small cleat on the back to get them off of the bench. A small cleat on cheap parts bins gets them off them bench and on the wall.
String lampshade looks brilliant! French cleats.. I'll pass haha
All this time I thought a French cleat was something else.
I just ordered a pegboard, but id like to use this system as well. Are they ok to use on dividing walls or partician walls?
Yes. Just screw into the studs.
As an idea, it's amazing.
Love the idea but how did you attach to the wall? you show plenty of screws ? Did you just screw into a plaster wall or was the wall timber.
I used J-plugs when it's not hitting a beam and just screws then there is a stud.
great video, I especially love the reversible shelf.
Do you think it would be possible to hold an LED screen?
Great idea but a misleading title.
I mean every storage solution will have its limitations and I don’t agree that pegboards are useless. They are less time consuming and cheaper. Also what if don’t need the stuff to move? It can stay where I had put it.
So may be it’s not “useless” but just a different option, that’s all
Very nice!
How compatible is this with cats? Would the shelves and cleated cupboard survive being jumped upon by cats?
5:48 🥇🙌🏽
Considering the new print model that was introduced a few months ago; this video did not age well. Still a cool concept though.
id make a pegboard to mount over the cleats
can i get the files?
Only problem I have with French Cleats is the lack of any free wall space to put them up!
There is always the back of the door 😅.
With such success on there longer cleats I'm also going to explore super tiny ones at somepoint and see if they're just as useful.
I’ll take a peg board. It looks way too messy for my liking
Now how much more work did it take putting this up?
@MakerTales what tools do you use to make your intricate boxes, cleat hooks, and living shelves?
Hey steve, 70% of it is with a laser cutter and 20% is a 3D printer and the last 10% is with my hands
Very cool - thanks! Do you have another video showing how to make hooks for the rails?
So 10 minutes of history of 🇫🇷. Fast fwd video....but didn't learn crap. Suava fair. HOW DID YOU BUILD IT!
Dave.... 1:06 ( Don't know what more information I can give about how to make a cleat..... )