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Started out with a turbo Hayabusa on nitrous and downgraded to a ninja H2R, definitely feel safer being able to go slow through school zones and through the neighborhood at night
After 4 years and 40k miles on my 300 I’m ready for an upgrade. Not getting rid of the little bike though. Nothing beats being able to go full throttle anytime you want.
I think a great part of the fun is in acceleration and deceleration as you come out of a corner, but if i break the speed limit as soon as I roll on the throttle a bit more aggressively I just make my squid Deamons scream in pain cause I gotte keep it in check a split second later - just being able to keep it open a bit longer on a smaller bike gives them some peace
Brand new rider here. I mean, super noob, my first time on a bike was the MSF. I got my endorsement 3 weeks ago and picked up the Z400...it's been fun learning on it. I'm only at 70 miles or so due to my busy work schedule but I plan on taking it out more over the next few months and honing my skills. This channel has been an invaluable resource... thanks guys.
Nice choice for a bike! I've only been riding a year, my first is a Triumph Speedmaster. She's great for commuting on. If you haven't already you should check out DanDanTheFireman, he mostly does videos where he analyzes riding videos and teaches principles on how to ride safely. Ride safe man!
bro I got a ninja 400 ABS like a month ago..... 1K miles later... self-oil change at 600 miles... THINGS ARE GOOD! Ride safe brother ✌you'll love the 400 series kawaiiiii
Got a 400 ABS last April totally in love with it. Did all the Norton power upgrades so now gained like 10+ HP and did full exhaust so she totally rips hard definitely never selling it!!
highly recommend getting on the bike more then using it to commute. you will get comfortable and learn more as you ride it daily. last year I passed my MSF and picked up a duke 390. I told myself I wouldn't go on the highway with the bike but after some time getting used to it and short jaunts on the highway I managed to put close to 5k on the bike in a year. just take your time and still practice your parking lot slow work.
For my first bike 4 months ago I have the Svartpilen 701. So in love with it! I use it for commuting and weekend rides. So far I did 5000kms with it, every km puts a smile on my face 😁
GREAT CHOICES ! You can see how it actually works. No Downgrades here. Just (2) Upgrades to suit your needs. 🤷♂️ Which bike that a person should buy really depends on what they are trying to do with it. (That's why they sell so many different kinds of them) Smart people realize that motorcycles that are big, heavy, AND gutless, (like the KLR) actually kinda suck, and Royal Enfields suck, even more. Although, riding a KLR can be the appropriate compromise for some riders, usually a person is a lot happier owning more than one motorcycle. (It's Science) ! ☝🤓👍
I have a dreaded ninja 400. There I said it. I have too much fun on that bike and I dont care what 650 + people say about it. Its hilariously fun and ticks all the boxes. Hell, sometimes I have so much fun banging through gears I dont realize I'm doing 60 in a 35!
@@leynadIX Yeah, I spent a little over $5000 on my ninja 400, and I can't imagine treating it like they said, not caring if it drops and such. Obviously that's because I'm fairly new and it's my first bike but still
@@erisgh0sted961 That's because it has the power to weight ratio of a normal beginner bike, with added weight and lack of handling to slow you down. Probably not an unsuitable beginner bike at all. The weight will get you ready for anything and it's not really fast enough to get you in much trouble.
I am a viewer from India and have recently started watching your channel. Some of the motorcycling aspects hat you guys talk about might not be applicable here for the motorcycling experience in India (due to different things like riding conditions, riding experience etc.) but many things that you guys talk about are 100% relevant for riders in any country and I would like to appreciate that you take time to pick a ton of such useful topics.
@Jelle van Neerven Agreed that a 150cc is practicall for commuting in India but I disagree that big displacement motorcycles are hard to get here (the RE conti gt 650 is super accessible). I have friends who ride 1000ltr motorcycle as well and at the end of the day owning a motorcycle is a chocie of heart . Think of ktm duke 390. It's powerful, flickable and doesn't cost a ton of money. Additionally you won't always need a big displacement motorcycle to have fun.
I have a 2021 bmw s1000rr, a 2021 harley sportster s (rh1250s) and a 2022 honda grom.. I ride the grom the most by far, I literally ride that thing every single day. Soooooo much fun ripping around town/the neighborhood, rode it to work today haha
Because the big high horsepower heavier bikes are work believe it or not I have a Hayabusa that bike when I ride it when I get off I feel like I was in the gym working out beat up sore but yet a little Kawasaki Z 900 can ride it all day and have fun and feel fine getting off
@@westondifranco9313 I loved the big Bandit. The engine is a great street bike engine. Torque is something like 80lbft at 3k. You’re never in the wrong gear. Great highway bike. I took it on several road trips with some cheapie nylon saddlebags. Comfy ergos. Yeah it’s heavy. But I never really noticed unless I was pushing it around the garage. I mostly got the Svart because my youngest brother just got his M license. And I didn’t want to chase him on his TW200 with a 100hp bike. The Svart is super fun too. But for different reasons.
I "downgraded" from a liter bike to a F850GS. Still more bike than I can take to the limit in the twisties, and so much more versatile and better for long trips. I do miss those highway pulls though.
Went from a Monster 1200R to a Monster 937 - 40 lbs. weight loss makes the 40 hp loss seem negligible; lighter = more maneuverable / shorter braking distance.
Thinking the same! I have a 1200s which is amazing but I never take full advantage of the power (not a track guy). Might trade in for a 937, Tuono 660 or MT09 🙂
Motorcycle insurance in my area is over $1000/year even if you have a good record. Having more than one motorcycle is out of the question for me. But with the rising urge to switch to a hyper naked, it's nice to have an external voice of reason to talk you out of it.
Recently I've got Ninja 250R, while still keeping Speed Triple. I truły love that flickable, green goblin. It lacks power, and thanks to that, I can focus on my cornering techninqe. If someone thinks it is slow, no it is not. On supersoft Mitas MC50 tyres, it ripps corners 15-20mph faster than Speed Triple. On track I overtake everything in corners. From outside and inside. And when I get back on Speed Triple I can appreciate pure power rush more.
my dream garage? Yamaha MT03 (with mods galore) and an R7 . . . using the bikes for different usage . . . start with the MT03 and KEEP it when you decide to upgrade, so you can have fun running around town . . . .
Started with a Suzuki TU250X 3 years ago and still have it. I've put over 13k miles on it. Wanted a bigger bike and started looking at stuff like the RE Interceptor 650, but couldn't get the cash together very quickly. Picked up a '97 Honda Nighthawk 750 for cheap, put about 2000 miles on it in the 6 or 7 months I had it....Decent bike, had a lot to like about it, but among other things, it was just more power and weight than I wanted. Traded it in for a Moto Guzzi V7 III (with about 50hp, while the Nighthawk was around 75hp), no regrets. the Guzzi does everything I want it to, and is more of the "like my Suzuki, but bigger" kind of vibe that I was really looking for. Bonus, now that I've gotten pretty comfortable on that bike, I'm even more comfortable with just wailing on the throttle on the Suzuki and throwing it around a bit
I bought coco cow's 2006 triumph sprint st 1050. He had the buell in his garage! WA riders are the best community ive ever been apart of. Whenever I have pulled over almost every single rider that passes stops to check on me and I do the same for them.
I have a 1290 Superduke R and a 125cc scooter. Both are absolutely hilarious and puts smiles on my face I haven't had since I landed a lay on the booth girl at the movie theater.
I feel this. I went from a 08 ZZR600 to a 12 Ninja 1000. Now i am looking at a 900 - 1600 vulcan or the mean streak. They just seem cool. EFI and liquid cooling. Simple bikes. Seem like they can go forever. Wont feel like i got to get 3 digits on the display.
I haven't touched my Daytona since getting a ninja 300. It feels like i'm cheating passing liter bikes on the outside. I enter turns an average of 10mph faster compared to the 675. The 300 is better in every way except on the straight. Granted i use 4 gears on all 3 tracks at cresson but does that matter if i exit the turns 20mph faster than an r1? I don't ride on the street. Your experience may vary.
Upgraded a BMW G 310R to an MV Agusta Brutale 800. I really love the bike when entering highways but for a daily motorcycle it's just too much, it also gets really hot on summer. I am looking for a 650 now
How long did you have the g310r for? I put my first year and 6k miles on one and I’m thinking of upgrading until I take it out again and wring it’s neck and I love it again lol
Started on the Yammy Special FZ07 (2016) and WANT a 17-20 Yamaha R6. For the money I am tempted to get a 2015 Triumph Daytona 675R to start my Sport bike journey before hand and see how I like that first. Great vid Yam. Definitely helps keeping the mind open to new things and not to worry so much.
It’s outstanding to think for how long the passion is still so young. It’s an honour to have riders like you in the community. People like you inspire other riders everyday 😊
I am tempted to trade in either my Speed Triple or CBR 1000rr on a GSX-S1000GT. Comfortable sport touring bike with the K5 engine sounds like a good time. Downgrade on power but a upgrade in comfort.
Stated out on 750gsxr, now have a hayabusa and love it can ride it normal or give her the beans and take flight.. In the end riding is riding have fun with whatever you got.. Thinking about adding a supermoto to collection just for a different type of ride but will never get rid of my busa baby..
I thought my first motorcycle was too big. My first bike I bought was an F700GS. I sold it and bought a 390 Adventure from KTM. Then I bought my dream bike, an Indian FTR 1200 FTR S. We have no Indian dealership. So I am building my experience on the KTM and riding the Indian from time to time.
I just bought a salvaged Z 400. I’m having fun tinkering on it and riding on it. What I like about small bikes is that feels like you’re going fast - but you’re not! Keeps me out of court and the hospital.
I rode my mt03 from Montana to Oregon. I got side bags. Other than that it was stock. My backside paid for that. This year I am taking it to NorCal from Montana. I got new pegs, grips, and a Corbin seat. Now it’s a comfy bike too.
Added a CRF250L to my Multistrada 950S. It's awesome fun and I already feel a better rider. Such low stakes, you just mess about all the time. Also makes the multi feel 10x faster when you hop back on it!
Upgraded from a Ninja 400 to a Gixxer 750. Kept the 400 for track days for the time being. 13 track days downrange so far. Love it but looking at ZX6R tomorrow.
I ride a monster 821. I've tried all the modes the first few weeks. After 6 years it's been on sport mode all of it. It doesn't need different modes. I don't even mess with the traction control or ABS settings. Kind of a waste of money for that stuff.
A small used bike is usually easy to add to the stable, and then it's obvious after a few months which one is ridden more and for what purpose. So many people buy the biggest and best bike they can afford, but then never ride it except for when the stars align to the perfect mix of weather, free time, purpose and event. In my apartment garage I see the absolute best BMW adventure bike there is, but it literally only moves about twice a year at most. The owner doesn't have a car, either, so he probably rather walk than ride the BMW in non perfect events. It's sad.
I probably made a similar comment already. 2 of my favourite bikes are aprillia classic 50 (if you get a chance , try it, it is fun), and a honda shadow vt 125 cc. The quality of the bike is better then a 125cc has any right to be, hell better then most bike have any right to be.
Bought my first bike 3 and a half months ago and its been nothing but smiles every mile! Ijust Hit 8k miles on it. Love the R7, its big enuff to have fun and learn at first and powerful enough to push it when i have the chance. No Ragrets!
I went from a 2000cc monster bobber to a 200cc dual sport aaaaand it's so much better. I see no point in anything over 40 hp these days. The RE Interceptor 650 is about my limit now.
Started on KLR650 slow tractor, upgraded to an SV1000 it's got power not liter bike power, but way more than you should use on the street. Took it to the track, shrugged said it was too big and I didn't want to wreck my street bike. Got a whipped track SV650 for cheap to get me started on the track. I've learned way more on that 650 on the track than anything else. It made a huge difference to get onto a track and ride faster than I ever have in my entire life and also realize how damn slow I am compared to everyone else.
Started on an 1987 fz600. Went to an fzr1000. Hadn't ridden for many many years until this year. Have my 2009 ZX14. The perfect bike for the area and type of riding. Long distance superbike it is for sure! So my downgrade is when I have to take my SUV into work.
Had a V-max. All the power none of the agility. Scaled it down to a bagger. I liked the bagger but I wasn't ready to be that stodgy. Traded it in for a Z900 RS. Happy now...
My first bike was a 136hp BMW, my second bike is a 35ish HP DRZ super moto. couldn't be happier on the Zook, honestly. I do miss my k1200rs though! Maybe I'll snag a k1300s in the future.
I am looking forward, hopefully later this year, to see Spite and Yammie test the new BSA 650 Single... a bike of great interest to me as a possible 2023 purchase. Keep up the great videos guys!
I got rid of the Yamaha Roadliner 1900, when the doctor told me I might lose my legs. I now ride a Kawasaki Vulcan Classic 800 that my son gave me, and a 2005 Yamaha Road Star bobber, which I love! All said & done, I'm going to get a Honda Rebel 1100.
I bought a used '13 Ninja 1k in that stardust pearl white for $7k. Probably the best bike ever for town touring. Amazing low-end torque, acceleration and ease of use. Upgrading to a ZX-10R for town riding would be horrible due to the torque curve.
coming from southeast asia, even a 150cc is plenty fast in city traffic and daily commute. anything bigger than a 250 is definitely overkill. the only time you wanted something bigger than a 650, is when you are on a freeway, where roads are bigger with longer straight.
1st: Hyosung GT650R 2nd: Suzuki GS500F 3rd: Honda VTR250 4th: Yamaha SR400 Starting riding at 20 am now 23. Have had way more fun on my Honda and Yamaha.
I couldn’t see myself selling, downgrading or jut NOT having some kind of Supersport. So I decided to buy a second bike to keep my 2021 CBR600RR company. As a Honda fanboy, I went with a 2004 Honda VTX 1300, which was a downgrade and a bike completely out of my comfort zone. It’s heavy, chrome bits all over, cruiser-style, lots of low-end torque, V-twin engine, shaft drive, carbureted, super comfortable etc. Downgrading to a VTX made me understand why folks get a cruiser bike and it’s comfort, and also appreciate the performance of my CBR and respecting such a weapon. I did have a CBR1000RR as my second bike many years ago, and quickly downgraded to a 600CC class Supersport, because they’re just far better on track and have power you can tap into during the daily haul. Needless to say, I’m never getting a litre SuperSport again, and would love to venture into Cafe Racer and Naked Bikes from Triumph in the future. My next “downgrade” will probably be a Trident 660 or Thruxton RS
I have looked into the XSR Yamahas and the other suggestions are all great as well. Triumphs just do something for me, or my dealer was cool enough to let me demo almost all their bikes, and give me some awesome coffee. They’ll defiantly be getting my business soon.
@@647killa i can relate thats how i ended up buying my Suzuki Drz400sm as my first brand new bike- i still ride my old mans 73 R75/5 i learned to ride streets with- as for my own next bike gdamn i would love have am Africa twin and go ride the WABDR
Ive been riding for a month. Today i accidently wheelied my bike twice. Did it feel awesome - yes, did it look cool - yes, was there a brown stain on the road after - also yes. Maybe i should have gotten a mt03 instead of an fz07, naw
There are a lot of interesting points. I got myself an SV1000S as a starter bike (I know, I know), and it has been scaring the shit out of me for the first month of riding. I kinda grew into it a little, but I'm still considering a downgrade. Now the good question is is buying a smaller but almost twice as expensive MT-07 a downgrade? I like the idea of being able to toss my bike around and not feel too bad about it and also to be able to use more of it. Like if I got a 600 naked I could probably wring it out and still be okay, whereas with my current bike I've learnt to be really smooth and respectful.
good discussion,i just got a speed triple 2014 r off a street triple 660 and its amazing! i do understand the logic of getting a cheaper smaller bike for the fun factor.. good work noobs
It is about differentiation of bikes and their characteristics. I've upgraded from 650 cc (Kawasaki ER6) to 1000 cc (Honda CB 1000R NSC) and Kawasaki was waiting for its chance for almost 3 years then finally sold it. It was too similar to the bigger naked. If it was adv or touring type, maybe it could be used as a second one. Eventually I bought next naked bike but.... 125 cc and it is just city utility and commuting bike . So I did upgrade and downgrade :)
Looking back after riding all sizes of bikes for nearly 60 years what stands out to me as most enjoyable is small light weight bikes. Big touring bikes like my Goldwing are great on the highway but for me highway riding isn't fun, may as well be comfortable inside a car. Riding a bike that weighs less than me on tight winding roads where you might never reach 60 mph is just fun. I'll take a big bike when forced to do a highway trip but otherwise give me something small and light.
I have a 650cc and the only people that say I should go bigger are those who don’t even ride. I do plan to go bigger but it’s going to be a cruiser. I’m liking the Indian Scout Bobber, the Rebel 1100, the Harley Sporster S and M109r Boulevard. If I went sport, I don’t think I’d go higher than a 750 do to the way they’re tuned and seating positions. Remember trying a GSXR 600 Super sport and thinking, holy crap people ride in this position.
Up or Down is kinda subjective. I have a harley softtail and a klr 650, both were my dads bikes so no selling them. Both have the same power to weight ratio, so my desire for another bike is kinda only driven by power to weight ratio. To someone else it may look like I have two bikes but it feels like I have one that transforms depending on what I pay for insurance.
Lol I came from a 2009 V star 650 to a 2022 Triumph street triple R one hell of a difference i Actually have one of those fancy new things called a gas gauge
I downgrades my Triumph Tiger 800 Xca to a Royal Enfield Himalayan and I love it. I don't worry about dropping it and I don't get a heard attack every time I pay insurance, want to mod it or need to replace something. Yes its slow, has old tech and doesn't want to go over 60 mph but I still love everything about it.
I started on a Honda CBX 500. Then I upgraded to a yamaha 650 special. Then went with a 850 special. Now I have a Yamaha FZ09GC. They where all great bikes. But the FZ09 is ok. Thinking of going to a MT10.
Honda CB600, Triumph Tiger 800, KTM 1090, so constantly upgrading, but the KTM with all its rider aids constantly had IT problems, even failing a day after going into the dealer to be fixed. In UK KTM had much more power than ever necessary. Tiger 800 hit the sweet spot but ultimately failed on reliabiltiy. So it's back to a downgrade with a Honda CB500X, and, yes guys, it's fun to stir the gearbox.
My advise would be to start on some kind of allrounder bike. Mostly these will be Nakeds or Supermotos or Enduros, with the supermotos beeing the best option in my Opinion. This first bike does not have to be in the best condition and the latest model and with the highest specs because your main goal should be collection experience and skills with a bike in general, and figuring out what you want to do with your bike. Then, once you feel comfortable that you have figured that out, get a bike that differs to yours in the direction you want it to. For me, this journey gave me 3 bikes that i progressively loved more and more. I started out with 16 on a 125cc Supermoto. had to be 125cc because thats the only thing you can ride with 16 in germany and I chose a Supermoto because I am quite tall. This bike I mostly used to commute to school every day but I also used it on quite a few joyrides. In the 2 years until I could upgrade my license for a 48hp Bike, I noticed that I loved the height of the bike, I loved riding on gravelroads occasionally and I enjoyed a relaxed ride much more than trying to go as fast as possible all the time. Things that annoyed me on this bike were the lack of passing power, no options to carry stuff other than with a backpack and how unstable it felt in the wind. So to expand on all the points I enjoyed and in an effort to get rid of those that annoyed me, I got a BMW F650GS Dakar. And I absolutely loved this bike. It had everything I wanted from a Motorcycle at the time and I rode the shit out of this bike für 3 Years. Loved the height, loved the power, loved the luggage system, loved the heated grips, loved the wind protection, loved how effortless it was to got down Dirt Roads even with larger potholes. At that point, there were only a few things that I didn't absolutely love. Firstly, I didn't need as much offroad capability as the Dakar had with the 21'' front Wheel because I live in Germany and we barely have any Dirt Roads left. Secondly it felt a bit unstable at times on the road due to the soft suspension. Thirdly it was still a bit much affected by cross winds and last but not least, it had a bit too short gearing to go 130kmh on the Autobah for longer periods of time when I wanted to go on vacation with the bike. So I wanted a bike with a bit more road bias and less offroad bias than the dakar, that is a bit heavier and has more power and a 6th gear for riding on the Autobahn. So I got a 1200GS. And I feel like this is the perfect bike for the riding I do. It can comfortably take everything I throw at it and has never left me longing for more. The only negative thing I can say about this bike is that it is a bit heavy to move arount in the garage but I wouldn't say it is harder to manouver around, becuase the Handlebars are a bit lower so the ergonomicy are better.
Just sold my Vrod for a Trident. So, Himalayan 462cc, Trident 660, 1978 CB750F, Tiger 800. I have a nice spread. Off road, inner city, vintage, distance.
It seems here in the states people see bikes as a toy and a hobbie and not a work tool or form of transportation. Living at the Mexican border and going back and forth during the week 90% of bikes are own as Uber, delivery of goods and commute that maxes at 250, but the normal are 150cc. For me, I would between go above the speed limit, because is ilegal, wrong and there's no need. Since I love jeep rock crawling, I also enjoy the calm riding of riding a bike. Also, most peole seems to exchange their bikes more often than phones, I mean, they ain't cheap and call me old school, but I like to keep my stuff for a long time. Also, not everyone can spend cash and end up financing which I don't think is bad (use someone's else money). Rigth now a $5k to $8k is all I can afford and want to. But I get, there's those who bikes are their passion.
my personal bike is a 600cc sportbike with 111hp, based on my experiences you don't really need any electronics, other than abs+lean sensitive below 120hp. never had any close calls or the wheel sliding. i had more wheel slippin issues on my MT-07 caused by the massive engine breaking. :D
Went from a zzr1200 had it 8 years, 84 k miles when I sold it, was riding ling distance (650+ miles per day) solo. To a drz 400s that I kept for 5 years (commuting, desert riding even moto camping with it) now my son (12 years old) ride with me, got a 650 versys (just like the "upright " riding position. I commute everyday with it but 2 up I need more juice (when solo too...lol) the versys is a good bike but I just need more juice...
I have a 1500cc 700 pounds cruiser and bought me a 2021 BMW G310R and love the downgrade. Sporty, Super light 300+ pounds, tall, nimble and the power is great for everyday commuting. Lane splitting is awesome vs the cruiser. Also parking drills are so easy and then I can practice everything and then transfer it to the cruiser. Also I believe on the ride a slow motorcycle fast vs a powerful bike slower. Gas millage is a big plus.
The closest downgrade that I would do is a Tracer 9 GT or an Africa Twin, other than that I wouldn't go under 130-150 bhp for nothing in the world ...... The tingles when you crack it up and it comes to life is a serious drug, even if you do it in a safe-ish environment. And a hyperbike can go slow too.....went in the twisties with rookies , and other than my feet burning from the engine and low speeds, it was fun and oks at low speeds too, I looked at the scenary.....
Many times less is more if you are just having fun and you are not on any race. You just ride for yourself. When you reach your destination the ride is over. It is not about destination it is all about the ride. So why to hurry? Take an aeroplane if you are in hurry to get from A to B.
For me it’s about hp:weight ratio. I’ve owned bikes 1.75 lbs / 1hp all the way to 11lbs / hp. The sweet spot for me is around 4lbs/1hp. An example would be the 701SM. I have an 890 Duke R at the moment and can’t wait for the 490 Duke or RC 490 to come to the US.
Just do it lol… I had a 1000 sold it got a 2016 dyna sold that got me a gsxr600 sold that got me another 600 along with a 1976 Honda rebel 250 😄😄😄 love riding the 250 around town lol
I have a remapped Suzuki B-king, carbon wheels and endless mods, but my Zontes 310 is way more fun everywhere except on the freeway. I also have a Harley Springer Classic a beautiful bike that I spend hours just looking at (it's in my living room) again the Zontes is much more fun to ride.
My 600 is my favorite bike and I ride it more than any other bike. It would be sweet to get a big mother cruiser for long trips and a dual sport since I live in the middle of nowhere on a dirt road now. Can't insure my dirt bike.
from an outside perspective... someone who has been off a bike for years, but would want to get back in with a decade or two later perspective... but the coolest bike I would love to have is WAY too much bike, and way too much $$$... Diavel 1260S. Wish there were a 850-900cc variant like the Multistrada, but the Monster and Multistrada are not quite the same as the size and style of the Diavel. Would love an R-NineT with the looks and ergos of an update R1100S and Duolever. A stripped down no-bags modest fairing Gold Wing would be interesting. Would love a M-G V100 Mandello. Just looking forward to that one, but probably going to be expensive. Bikes like MT-07 and Trident 660 are likely enough power... but probably too small physically, my NT650 Hawk GT was WAY too small, but such a sublime bike. I may be an audience of 1 for an interesting road bike somewhere between a naked standard, sport tourer, and a cruiser that can handle, like Diavel, without off-road aspects of an adventure, scrambler, or dual-sport.
LOL to some of these upgrades/downgrades. I've personally went from a Kawasaki Concours C14 (158hp from a detuned engine derived from the ZX14) sport touring model to a Royal Enfield 650 Continental GT. Gotta say I love being able to redline and thrash the RE without worry of legal troubles or getting myself killed. :D
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Lol..if I downgraded my 125cc its either a 50cc or a bicycle.
Went from a Versys 650 to a Super Adventure S 1290…! Please be proud 😂
What's next from a 690 duke I'm riding the piss out off and hanging off the side
Started out with a turbo Hayabusa on nitrous and downgraded to a ninja H2R, definitely feel safer being able to go slow through school zones and through the neighborhood at night
I had a y2k and downgraded to a turbo nitrous busa.
I hated having electric wheelchairs pass me after the change though.
😂
Damn thought i was doing something right i started on a H2 not fast enough tho 😞
Duh..... that's how everyone does it. 😀
Loving my busa, boring, yeah right.
After 4 years and 40k miles on my 300 I’m ready for an upgrade. Not getting rid of the little bike though. Nothing beats being able to go full throttle anytime you want.
I think a great part of the fun is in acceleration and deceleration as you come out of a corner, but if i break the speed limit as soon as I roll on the throttle a bit more aggressively I just make my squid Deamons scream in pain cause I gotte keep it in check a split second later - just being able to keep it open a bit longer on a smaller bike gives them some peace
Learned that high torque lesson when I left the ZZR600 world for a Z900R now I'm ready to get a more gentle bike but still keeping the Z
Been thinking about a "downgrade" from my heavy cruiser to a lower displacement, flicky naked like a Duke 390. Alright that's it, you've convinced me.
Started witha rebel 250, upgraded to a ninja 650...then z1000....then duke 390. Happy boi
I have a 600 and I want to downgrade to a 390 as well, drove one and fell in love with it.
Why not have both!
I just sold mines to one of my friends, very fun bike I upgraded to a smc-r 690. Go for the 390 the price is really nice and it’s a really fun bike
Tried a Duke 390 a month ago, it's a lot of fun.
Brand new rider here. I mean, super noob, my first time on a bike was the MSF. I got my endorsement 3 weeks ago and picked up the Z400...it's been fun learning on it. I'm only at 70 miles or so due to my busy work schedule but I plan on taking it out more over the next few months and honing my skills. This channel has been an invaluable resource... thanks guys.
Nice choice for a bike! I've only been riding a year, my first is a Triumph Speedmaster. She's great for commuting on. If you haven't already you should check out DanDanTheFireman, he mostly does videos where he analyzes riding videos and teaches principles on how to ride safely. Ride safe man!
bro I got a ninja 400 ABS like a month ago..... 1K miles later... self-oil change at 600 miles... THINGS ARE GOOD! Ride safe brother ✌you'll love the 400 series kawaiiiii
Got a 400 ABS last April totally in love with it. Did all the Norton power upgrades so now gained like 10+ HP and did full exhaust so she totally rips hard definitely never selling it!!
highly recommend getting on the bike more then using it to commute. you will get comfortable and learn more as you ride it daily. last year I passed my MSF and picked up a duke 390. I told myself I wouldn't go on the highway with the bike but after some time getting used to it and short jaunts on the highway I managed to put close to 5k on the bike in a year. just take your time and still practice your parking lot slow work.
I'm taking the msf on Thursday anything i should know
For my first bike 4 months ago I have the Svartpilen 701. So in love with it! I use it for commuting and weekend rides. So far I did 5000kms with it, every km puts a smile on my face 😁
I went from a Honda rebel 500 to a Honda rebel 1100 and a Honda Monkey 125. Perfect combined upgrade/downgrade 😆
Good trade up man.
I’ve totally been upgrading / downgrading throughout the Honda line-up for years now. Just something about Hondas man !
@@dacarguru7983 can't go wrong with team red.
GREAT CHOICES !
You can see how it actually works.
No Downgrades here. Just (2) Upgrades to suit your needs. 🤷♂️
Which bike that a person should buy really depends on what they are trying to do with it. (That's why they sell so many different kinds of them)
Smart people realize that motorcycles that are big, heavy, AND gutless, (like the KLR) actually kinda suck, and Royal Enfields suck, even more. Although, riding a KLR can be the appropriate compromise for some riders, usually a person is a lot happier owning more than one motorcycle. (It's Science) ! ☝🤓👍
The 1100 Rebel is a powerful cruiser. (Much better than the 500) and the Honda Monkey is The Best Camping Motorcycle Ever Made !
More fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. When you have to wring every hp out of them but the handle amazingly, it's much more fun.
Its better to ride a fast bike fast😏
I drive a miata for the same reason.
Or just go fast on a fast bike tf?
@@miekragez4749 depends on whether you want to be a red stain on the ground or not. It's not a matter of if but when if you ride fast regularly.
@@miekragez4749 nope, just more dangerous.
Did a “downgrade” from an ‘02 R1 to a Monster 821 when I moved into the city. Wanted something a little more comfortable and a little less tempting
I have a dreaded ninja 400. There I said it. I have too much fun on that bike and I dont care what 650 + people say about it. Its hilariously fun and ticks all the boxes. Hell, sometimes I have so much fun banging through gears I dont realize I'm doing 60 in a 35!
Ninja Boyz🥷🏾🤙🏽
Hearing "$5000" and "beater" in the same sentence is not something my bank account agrees with
Yeah, Im thinking in spend this 5000€ in a "cheap" motorcycle, but I'm spending the maximum allowed money in the bike, more is a dream!
@@leynadIX Yeah, I spent a little over $5000 on my ninja 400, and I can't imagine treating it like they said, not caring if it drops and such. Obviously that's because I'm fairly new and it's my first bike but still
Yeah, I'm over here on an $1100 06 katana 600 for my first bike and couldn't possibly afford a "$5000 beater" but this thing is so fun and cheap.
So the perfect beginner bike is an H2. No need to upgade, no need to down grade! I'm convinced guys thx! :)
Incorrect it's a Turbo Hayabusa. Also ignore these dipshits who reply to your comments, it's clearly not me lol. Check the user
@@yammienoob but you also replied to his comment
My first bike was a 1985 Kawasaki eliminator 1000. I'm still alive.
@@erisgh0sted961 That's because it has the power to weight ratio of a normal beginner bike, with added weight and lack of handling to slow you down. Probably not an unsuitable beginner bike at all. The weight will get you ready for anything and it's not really fast enough to get you in much trouble.
I am a viewer from India and have recently started watching your channel. Some of the motorcycling aspects hat you guys talk about might not be applicable here for the motorcycling experience in India (due to different things like riding conditions, riding experience etc.) but many things that you guys talk about are 100% relevant for riders in any country and I would like to appreciate that you take time to pick a ton of such useful topics.
@Jelle van Neerven Agreed that a 150cc is practicall for commuting in India but I disagree that big displacement motorcycles are hard to get here (the RE conti gt 650 is super accessible). I have friends who ride 1000ltr motorcycle as well and at the end of the day owning a motorcycle is a chocie of heart . Think of ktm duke 390. It's powerful, flickable and doesn't cost a ton of money. Additionally you won't always need a big displacement motorcycle to have fun.
I have a 2021 bmw s1000rr, a 2021 harley sportster s (rh1250s) and a 2022 honda grom.. I ride the grom the most by far, I literally ride that thing every single day. Soooooo much fun ripping around town/the neighborhood, rode it to work today haha
Because the big high horsepower heavier bikes are work believe it or not I have a Hayabusa that bike when I ride it when I get off I feel like I was in the gym working out beat up sore but yet a little Kawasaki Z 900 can ride it all day and have fun and feel fine getting off
Went from a 1250 Bandit to a 401 Svartpilen.
No ragrets!
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I loved the big Bandit. The engine is a great street bike engine. Torque is something like 80lbft at 3k. You’re never in the wrong gear.
Great highway bike. I took it on several road trips with some cheapie nylon saddlebags. Comfy ergos.
Yeah it’s heavy. But I never really noticed unless I was pushing it around the garage.
I mostly got the Svart because my youngest brother just got his M license. And I didn’t want to chase him on his TW200 with a 100hp bike.
The Svart is super fun too. But for different reasons.
@@westondifranco9313
I’ve never heard from someone with an FZ1 who wasn’t happy.
51 yo, just bought my first bike….a RE Meteor 350. Maybe need something highway capable in the future but love it for now
A Turbo 'Busa is neither a downgrade nor an upgrade, it is THE grade by which all others are measured.
It's useless junk everywhere but a drag strip. Get a bike that is fun to ride on the street.
I "downgraded" from a liter bike to a F850GS. Still more bike than I can take to the limit in the twisties, and so much more versatile and better for long trips. I do miss those highway pulls though.
Went from a Monster 1200R to a Monster 937 - 40 lbs. weight loss makes the 40 hp loss seem negligible; lighter = more maneuverable / shorter braking distance.
Thinking the same! I have a 1200s which is amazing but I never take full advantage of the power (not a track guy). Might trade in for a 937, Tuono 660 or MT09 🙂
@@iamjaynal try the SuperSport out, highly underrated and an outstanding commuter.
Motorcycle insurance in my area is over $1000/year even if you have a good record. Having more than one motorcycle is out of the question for me. But with the rising urge to switch to a hyper naked, it's nice to have an external voice of reason to talk you out of it.
Man, I just paid $266 for a full year of max coverage with Geico. Then again, it's for a fuggin DRZ400sm though.
I love that my sr400 doesn't have any "tech" on it. I'll never get rid of this beauty
Recently I've got Ninja 250R, while still keeping Speed Triple.
I truły love that flickable, green goblin. It lacks power, and thanks to that, I can focus on my cornering techninqe. If someone thinks it is slow, no it is not. On supersoft Mitas MC50 tyres, it ripps corners 15-20mph faster than Speed Triple. On track I overtake everything in corners. From outside and inside.
And when I get back on Speed Triple I can appreciate pure power rush more.
my dream garage? Yamaha MT03 (with mods galore) and an R7 . . . using the bikes for different usage . . .
start with the MT03 and KEEP it when you decide to upgrade, so you can have fun running around town . . . .
Started with a Suzuki TU250X 3 years ago and still have it. I've put over 13k miles on it. Wanted a bigger bike and started looking at stuff like the RE Interceptor 650, but couldn't get the cash together very quickly. Picked up a '97 Honda Nighthawk 750 for cheap, put about 2000 miles on it in the 6 or 7 months I had it....Decent bike, had a lot to like about it, but among other things, it was just more power and weight than I wanted. Traded it in for a Moto Guzzi V7 III (with about 50hp, while the Nighthawk was around 75hp), no regrets. the Guzzi does everything I want it to, and is more of the "like my Suzuki, but bigger" kind of vibe that I was really looking for. Bonus, now that I've gotten pretty comfortable on that bike, I'm even more comfortable with just wailing on the throttle on the Suzuki and throwing it around a bit
I bought coco cow's 2006 triumph sprint st 1050. He had the buell in his garage! WA riders are the best community ive ever been apart of. Whenever I have pulled over almost every single rider that passes stops to check on me and I do the same for them.
Down Grade from my busa bandit and fire blade, not now not ever
I have a 1290 Superduke R and a 125cc scooter. Both are absolutely hilarious and puts smiles on my face I haven't had since I landed a lay on the booth girl at the movie theater.
I say try whatever bike when the opportunity comes, I think it makes the rider appreciate how every bike is different in it's own way.
I feel this. I went from a 08 ZZR600 to a 12 Ninja 1000. Now i am looking at a 900 - 1600 vulcan or the mean streak. They just seem cool. EFI and liquid cooling. Simple bikes. Seem like they can go forever. Wont feel like i got to get 3 digits on the display.
I haven't touched my Daytona since getting a ninja 300. It feels like i'm cheating passing liter bikes on the outside. I enter turns an average of 10mph faster compared to the 675.
The 300 is better in every way except on the straight. Granted i use 4 gears on all 3 tracks at cresson but does that matter if i exit the turns 20mph faster than an r1?
I don't ride on the street. Your experience may vary.
I've got similar situation Speed Triple is waiting in garage, and I'm ripping corners on Ninja 250 🤣
Left my SV1000 in the garage because it's too big, while I rip around the track on a whipped SV650. Street riding is just eh now.
I have a 1973 Kawasaki G5 so I think a moped would be an upgrade!! Great video and great discussion! Very good information to get out there!
Upgraded a BMW G 310R to an MV Agusta Brutale 800. I really love the bike when entering highways but for a daily motorcycle it's just too much, it also gets really hot on summer. I am looking for a 650 now
cb650r
@@Foxy-rj8yw that’s the one I’m looking for but I live in Chile and it’s hard to find one
How long did you have the g310r for? I put my first year and 6k miles on one and I’m thinking of upgrading until I take it out again and wring it’s neck and I love it again lol
@@bronsonscott a year and a half. With 4500kms
@@nikolainikolaichev ok I hope you can find one
Started on the Yammy Special FZ07 (2016) and WANT a 17-20 Yamaha R6. For the money I am tempted to get a 2015 Triumph Daytona 675R to start my Sport bike journey before hand and see how I like that first. Great vid Yam. Definitely helps keeping the mind open to new things and not to worry so much.
I've been riding for 51 years and have owned over 200 bikes. The most fun I've ever had riding on the street was a Honda FT500 Ascot.
It’s outstanding to think for how long the passion is still so young. It’s an honour to have riders like you in the community. People like you inspire other riders everyday 😊
My friend had one of those FT 500 ascot. It was an absolute hoot to ride around town with.
I am tempted to trade in either my Speed Triple or CBR 1000rr on a GSX-S1000GT. Comfortable sport touring bike with the K5 engine sounds like a good time. Downgrade on power but a upgrade in comfort.
If you do, get rid of the cbr. You can’t beat the look of a triumph❤️🔥
Stated out on 750gsxr, now have a hayabusa and love it can ride it normal or give her the beans and take flight.. In the end riding is riding have fun with whatever you got.. Thinking about adding a supermoto to collection just for a different type of ride but will never get rid of my busa baby..
I thought my first motorcycle was too big. My first bike I bought was an F700GS. I sold it and bought a 390 Adventure from KTM. Then I bought my dream bike, an Indian FTR 1200 FTR S. We have no Indian dealership. So I am building my experience on the KTM and riding the Indian from time to time.
I just bought a salvaged Z 400. I’m having fun tinkering on it and riding on it. What I like about small bikes is that feels like you’re going fast - but you’re not! Keeps me out of court and the hospital.
I rode my mt03 from Montana to Oregon. I got side bags. Other than that it was stock. My backside paid for that. This year I am taking it to NorCal from Montana. I got new pegs, grips, and a Corbin seat. Now it’s a comfy bike too.
Added a CRF250L to my Multistrada 950S. It's awesome fun and I already feel a better rider. Such low stakes, you just mess about all the time. Also makes the multi feel 10x faster when you hop back on it!
Upgraded from a Ninja 400 to a Gixxer 750. Kept the 400 for track days for the time being. 13 track days downrange so far. Love it but looking at ZX6R tomorrow.
I went from 750 2 strokes to a +100cc Superbike turned dresser to an XS11 punched out to 1,300 with about 13:1 compression. Now I ride a KLR.
I ride a monster 821. I've tried all the modes the first few weeks. After 6 years it's been on sport mode all of it. It doesn't need different modes. I don't even mess with the traction control or ABS settings. Kind of a waste of money for that stuff.
A small used bike is usually easy to add to the stable, and then it's obvious after a few months which one is ridden more and for what purpose.
So many people buy the biggest and best bike they can afford, but then never ride it except for when the stars align to the perfect mix of weather, free time, purpose and event.
In my apartment garage I see the absolute best BMW adventure bike there is, but it literally only moves about twice a year at most. The owner doesn't have a car, either, so he probably rather walk than ride the BMW in non perfect events. It's sad.
That's very sad, he's probably not much of a rider in that case either, and bought to much bike.. probably needs a beater bike like a Honda 300 trail.
I just started riding about 3 weeks ago (cbr600rr) and I already want a second bike lol think I’m gonna get an mt07
I probably made a similar comment already. 2 of my favourite bikes are aprillia classic 50 (if you get a chance , try it, it is fun), and a honda shadow vt 125 cc. The quality of the bike is better then a 125cc has any right to be, hell better then most bike have any right to be.
Bought my first bike 3 and a half months ago and its been nothing but smiles every mile! Ijust Hit 8k miles on it. Love the R7, its big enuff to have fun and learn at first and powerful enough to push it when i have the chance. No Ragrets!
I went from a 2000cc monster bobber to a 200cc dual sport aaaaand it's so much better.
I see no point in anything over 40 hp these days. The RE Interceptor 650 is about my limit now.
From age 8 to 50ish.
1975 Honda Z50, (81)YZ80, (84)RM125, - (86)Honda NS400R, (87)RG500, (87)GSXR750, (97)V-Max, (18)XDIAVEL S.
Started on KLR650 slow tractor, upgraded to an SV1000 it's got power not liter bike power, but way more than you should use on the street. Took it to the track, shrugged said it was too big and I didn't want to wreck my street bike. Got a whipped track SV650 for cheap to get me started on the track. I've learned way more on that 650 on the track than anything else. It made a huge difference to get onto a track and ride faster than I ever have in my entire life and also realize how damn slow I am compared to everyone else.
Started on an 1987 fz600. Went to an fzr1000. Hadn't ridden for many many years until this year. Have my 2009 ZX14. The perfect bike for the area and type of riding. Long distance superbike it is for sure! So my downgrade is when I have to take my SUV into work.
I kept my 126 horsepower sportster and just bought a Yamaha mt 07. The Yamaha is just a hoot.
Im on a 125 in the uk am I fuck stayin on an AM license
you mean cbt/a1? am is 50cc :-))
I just downgraded from a sport bike to a forza 350 and I'm happy, don't even notice any loss of speed on legal road speeds.
Had a V-max. All the power none of the agility. Scaled it down to a bagger. I liked the bagger but I wasn't ready to be that stodgy. Traded it in for a Z900 RS. Happy now...
“$5000 beater sv650” lol as I clean my mine and cry Because I baby it lol. I wish I had that kind of money
My first bike was a 136hp BMW, my second bike is a 35ish HP DRZ super moto. couldn't be happier on the Zook, honestly. I do miss my k1200rs though! Maybe I'll snag a k1300s in the future.
I am looking forward, hopefully later this year, to see Spite and Yammie test the new BSA 650 Single... a bike of great interest to me as a possible 2023 purchase. Keep up the great videos guys!
I got rid of the Yamaha Roadliner 1900, when the doctor told me I might lose my legs. I now ride a Kawasaki Vulcan Classic 800 that my son gave me, and a 2005 Yamaha Road Star bobber, which I love! All said & done, I'm going to get a Honda Rebel 1100.
Nope… went right from zero experience to a 765…. 😖
would u recommend it? xD
You know that sweet sweet triple was worth it! It was a Triumphant purchase.
Idol
i have the most fun when i walk past my mt09 and get on my grom! and more people are interested in talking about the grom too.
I bought a used '13 Ninja 1k in that stardust pearl white for $7k. Probably the best bike ever for town touring. Amazing low-end torque, acceleration and ease of use. Upgrading to a ZX-10R for town riding would be horrible due to the torque curve.
coming from southeast asia, even a 150cc is plenty fast in city traffic and daily commute. anything bigger than a 250 is definitely overkill.
the only time you wanted something bigger than a 650, is when you are on a freeway, where roads are bigger with longer straight.
1st: Hyosung GT650R
2nd: Suzuki GS500F
3rd: Honda VTR250
4th: Yamaha SR400
Starting riding at 20 am now 23. Have had way more fun on my Honda and Yamaha.
I couldn’t see myself selling, downgrading or jut NOT having some kind of Supersport. So I decided to buy a second bike to keep my 2021 CBR600RR company. As a Honda fanboy, I went with a 2004 Honda VTX 1300, which was a downgrade and a bike completely out of my comfort zone. It’s heavy, chrome bits all over, cruiser-style, lots of low-end torque, V-twin engine, shaft drive, carbureted, super comfortable etc. Downgrading to a VTX made me understand why folks get a cruiser bike and it’s comfort, and also appreciate the performance of my CBR and respecting such a weapon. I did have a CBR1000RR as my second bike many years ago, and quickly downgraded to a 600CC class Supersport, because they’re just far better on track and have power you can tap into during the daily haul. Needless to say, I’m never getting a litre SuperSport again, and would love to venture into Cafe Racer and Naked Bikes from Triumph in the future. My next “downgrade” will probably be a Trident 660 or Thruxton RS
I would also say Look into the yamaha xsr700 or xsr900 or kawasaki z900rs or z650rs
I ride the same model VTX and it’s a good bike for sure but looking to get an MT07 or 09 sometime. Honda’s are great!
I have looked into the XSR Yamahas and the other suggestions are all great as well. Triumphs just do something for me, or my dealer was cool enough to let me demo almost all their bikes, and give me some awesome coffee. They’ll defiantly be getting my business soon.
@@647killa i can relate thats how i ended up buying my Suzuki Drz400sm as my first brand new bike- i still ride my old mans 73 R75/5 i learned to ride streets with- as for my own next bike gdamn i would love have am Africa twin and go ride the WABDR
The Tuono line looks soooo good. I would absolutely love to see you guys feature the 660.
Ive been riding for a month. Today i accidently wheelied my bike twice. Did it feel awesome - yes, did it look cool - yes, was there a brown stain on the road after - also yes. Maybe i should have gotten a mt03 instead of an fz07, naw
There are a lot of interesting points. I got myself an SV1000S as a starter bike (I know, I know), and it has been scaring the shit out of me for the first month of riding. I kinda grew into it a little, but I'm still considering a downgrade. Now the good question is is buying a smaller but almost twice as expensive MT-07 a downgrade? I like the idea of being able to toss my bike around and not feel too bad about it and also to be able to use more of it. Like if I got a 600 naked I could probably wring it out and still be okay, whereas with my current bike I've learnt to be really smooth and respectful.
good discussion,i just got a speed triple 2014 r off a street triple 660 and its amazing! i do understand the logic of getting a cheaper smaller bike for the fun factor.. good work noobs
It is about differentiation of bikes and their characteristics. I've upgraded from 650 cc (Kawasaki ER6) to 1000 cc (Honda CB 1000R NSC) and Kawasaki was waiting for its chance for almost 3 years then finally sold it. It was too similar to the bigger naked. If it was adv or touring type, maybe it could be used as a second one. Eventually I bought next naked bike but.... 125 cc and it is just city utility and commuting bike . So I did upgrade and downgrade :)
Looking back after riding all sizes of bikes for nearly 60 years what stands out to me as most enjoyable is small light weight bikes. Big touring bikes like my Goldwing are great on the highway but for me highway riding isn't fun, may as well be comfortable inside a car. Riding a bike that weighs less than me on tight winding roads where you might never reach 60 mph is just fun. I'll take a big bike when forced to do a highway trip but otherwise give me something small and light.
I have a 650cc and the only people that say I should go bigger are those who don’t even ride.
I do plan to go bigger but it’s going to be a cruiser.
I’m liking the Indian Scout Bobber, the Rebel 1100, the Harley Sporster S and M109r Boulevard.
If I went sport, I don’t think I’d go higher than a 750 do to the way they’re tuned and seating positions.
Remember trying a GSXR 600 Super sport and thinking, holy crap people ride in this position.
Up or Down is kinda subjective. I have a harley softtail and a klr 650, both were my dads bikes so no selling them. Both have the same power to weight ratio, so my desire for another bike is kinda only driven by power to weight ratio. To someone else it may look like I have two bikes but it feels like I have one that transforms depending on what I pay for insurance.
Went from a 08 sv650 to a 2022 t120 bonneville. But I’m keeping the sv. Still love that v twin sound.
Lol I came from a 2009 V star 650 to a 2022 Triumph street triple R one hell of a difference i Actually have one of those fancy new things called a gas gauge
I downgrades my Triumph Tiger 800 Xca to a Royal Enfield Himalayan and I love it. I don't worry about dropping it and I don't get a heard attack every time I pay insurance, want to mod it or need to replace something. Yes its slow, has old tech and doesn't want to go over 60 mph but I still love everything about it.
I started on a Honda CBX 500. Then I upgraded to a yamaha 650 special. Then went with a 850 special. Now I have a Yamaha FZ09GC. They where all great bikes. But the FZ09 is ok. Thinking of going to a MT10.
After riding big heavy bikes for decades, now I want a nice 400cc two-cylinder ADV bike.
Honda CB600, Triumph Tiger 800, KTM 1090, so constantly upgrading, but the KTM with all its rider aids constantly had IT problems, even failing a day after going into the dealer to be fixed. In UK KTM had much more power than ever necessary. Tiger 800 hit the sweet spot but ultimately failed on reliabiltiy. So it's back to a downgrade with a Honda CB500X, and, yes guys, it's fun to stir the gearbox.
My advise would be to start on some kind of allrounder bike. Mostly these will be Nakeds or Supermotos or Enduros, with the supermotos beeing the best option in my Opinion. This first bike does not have to be in the best condition and the latest model and with the highest specs because your main goal should be collection experience and skills with a bike in general, and figuring out what you want to do with your bike. Then, once you feel comfortable that you have figured that out, get a bike that differs to yours in the direction you want it to. For me, this journey gave me 3 bikes that i progressively loved more and more. I started out with 16 on a 125cc Supermoto. had to be 125cc because thats the only thing you can ride with 16 in germany and I chose a Supermoto because I am quite tall. This bike I mostly used to commute to school every day but I also used it on quite a few joyrides. In the 2 years until I could upgrade my license for a 48hp Bike, I noticed that I loved the height of the bike, I loved riding on gravelroads occasionally and I enjoyed a relaxed ride much more than trying to go as fast as possible all the time. Things that annoyed me on this bike were the lack of passing power, no options to carry stuff other than with a backpack and how unstable it felt in the wind. So to expand on all the points I enjoyed and in an effort to get rid of those that annoyed me, I got a BMW F650GS Dakar. And I absolutely loved this bike. It had everything I wanted from a Motorcycle at the time and I rode the shit out of this bike für 3 Years. Loved the height, loved the power, loved the luggage system, loved the heated grips, loved the wind protection, loved how effortless it was to got down Dirt Roads even with larger potholes. At that point, there were only a few things that I didn't absolutely love. Firstly, I didn't need as much offroad capability as the Dakar had with the 21'' front Wheel because I live in Germany and we barely have any Dirt Roads left. Secondly it felt a bit unstable at times on the road due to the soft suspension. Thirdly it was still a bit much affected by cross winds and last but not least, it had a bit too short gearing to go 130kmh on the Autobah for longer periods of time when I wanted to go on vacation with the bike. So I wanted a bike with a bit more road bias and less offroad bias than the dakar, that is a bit heavier and has more power and a 6th gear for riding on the Autobahn. So I got a 1200GS. And I feel like this is the perfect bike for the riding I do. It can comfortably take everything I throw at it and has never left me longing for more. The only negative thing I can say about this bike is that it is a bit heavy to move arount in the garage but I wouldn't say it is harder to manouver around, becuase the Handlebars are a bit lower so the ergonomicy are better.
Just sold my Vrod for a Trident. So, Himalayan 462cc, Trident 660, 1978 CB750F, Tiger 800. I have a nice spread. Off road, inner city, vintage, distance.
Sounds great what’s up!
It seems here in the states people see bikes as a toy and a hobbie and not a work tool or form of transportation. Living at the Mexican border and going back and forth during the week 90% of bikes are own as Uber, delivery of goods and commute that maxes at 250, but the normal are 150cc. For me, I would between go above the speed limit, because is ilegal, wrong and there's no need. Since I love jeep rock crawling, I also enjoy the calm riding of riding a bike. Also, most peole seems to exchange their bikes more often than phones, I mean, they ain't cheap and call me old school, but I like to keep my stuff for a long time. Also, not everyone can spend cash and end up financing which I don't think is bad (use someone's else money). Rigth now a $5k to $8k is all I can afford and want to. But I get, there's those who bikes are their passion.
my personal bike is a 600cc sportbike with 111hp, based on my experiences you don't really need any electronics, other than abs+lean sensitive below 120hp.
never had any close calls or the wheel sliding.
i had more wheel slippin issues on my MT-07 caused by the massive engine breaking. :D
i do plan on ''downgrading'' to the Husqy 501 Norden if it does indeed come with around 60hp and a more offroad bias :)
My Daytona 675R is never leaving my garage. I do like the idea of something I can rag around even more tho and not be speeding within 2 seconds haha
Went from a zzr1200 had it 8 years, 84 k miles when I sold it, was riding ling distance (650+ miles per day) solo. To a drz 400s that I kept for 5 years (commuting, desert riding even moto camping with it) now my son (12 years old) ride with me, got a 650 versys (just like the "upright " riding position. I commute everyday with it but 2 up I need more juice (when solo too...lol) the versys is a good bike but I just need more juice...
Cb500f distance commuter here holding out for the Honda 750 Hornet 🐝 … please be good 👍
I have a 1500cc 700 pounds cruiser and bought me a 2021 BMW G310R and love the downgrade. Sporty, Super light 300+ pounds, tall, nimble and the power is great for everyday commuting. Lane splitting is awesome vs the cruiser. Also parking drills are so easy and then I can practice everything and then transfer it to the cruiser. Also I believe on the ride a slow motorcycle fast vs a powerful bike slower. Gas millage is a big plus.
The closest downgrade that I would do is a Tracer 9 GT or an Africa Twin, other than that I wouldn't go under 130-150 bhp for nothing in the world ...... The tingles when you crack it up and it comes to life is a serious drug, even if you do it in a safe-ish environment.
And a hyperbike can go slow too.....went in the twisties with rookies , and other than my feet burning from the engine and low speeds, it was fun and oks at low speeds too, I looked at the scenary.....
Many times less is more if you are just having fun and you are not on any race. You just ride for yourself.
When you reach your destination the ride is over.
It is not about destination it is all about the ride.
So why to hurry?
Take an aeroplane if you are in hurry to get from A to B.
The correct answer is at 6:40... "All you need is ... an SV650". That's what I started on and have no plans to upgrade or downgrade.
Comfort, what makes you smile (typically not a 600) noise (v4 you sissy) style you prefer...put the seat time in
For me it’s about hp:weight ratio. I’ve owned bikes 1.75 lbs / 1hp all the way to 11lbs / hp. The sweet spot for me is around 4lbs/1hp. An example would be the 701SM. I have an 890 Duke R at the moment and can’t wait for the 490 Duke or RC 490 to come to the US.
How timely; I just downgraded to a monster 797 from a speed triple. What a relief.
Just do it lol… I had a 1000 sold it got a 2016 dyna sold that got me a gsxr600 sold that got me another 600 along with a 1976 Honda rebel 250 😄😄😄 love riding the 250 around town lol
Today I taked the A2!
I'm gonna upgrade from z125 to anything between 500/650!
Would reconmend RE 650 !!
I have a remapped Suzuki B-king, carbon wheels and endless mods, but my Zontes 310 is way more fun everywhere except on the freeway.
I also have a Harley Springer Classic a beautiful bike that I spend hours just looking at (it's in my living room) again the Zontes is much more fun to ride.
My 600 is my favorite bike and I ride it more than any other bike. It would be sweet to get a big mother cruiser for long trips and a dual sport since I live in the middle of nowhere on a dirt road now. Can't insure my dirt bike.
from an outside perspective... someone who has been off a bike for years, but would want to get back in with a decade or two later perspective... but the coolest bike I would love to have is WAY too much bike, and way too much $$$... Diavel 1260S. Wish there were a 850-900cc variant like the Multistrada, but the Monster and Multistrada are not quite the same as the size and style of the Diavel. Would love an R-NineT with the looks and ergos of an update R1100S and Duolever. A stripped down no-bags modest fairing Gold Wing would be interesting. Would love a M-G V100 Mandello. Just looking forward to that one, but probably going to be expensive. Bikes like MT-07 and Trident 660 are likely enough power... but probably too small physically, my NT650 Hawk GT was WAY too small, but such a sublime bike. I may be an audience of 1 for an interesting road bike somewhere between a naked standard, sport tourer, and a cruiser that can handle, like Diavel, without off-road aspects of an adventure, scrambler, or dual-sport.
LOL to some of these upgrades/downgrades. I've personally went from a Kawasaki Concours C14 (158hp from a detuned engine derived from the ZX14) sport touring model to a Royal Enfield 650 Continental GT. Gotta say I love being able to redline and thrash the RE without worry of legal troubles or getting myself killed. :D
I just acquired a gently used 450cc cruiser. Now to make her mine.