Are SCUF Controllers Unfair? Are they Cheating?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Today I discuss my thoughts on a topic that comes up quite frequently and that is: Are SCUF (or SCUF style) controllers considered cheating? and do they give an unfair advantage?
I'd like to hear your opinion in the comments below!
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I don't consider it cheating, just unfair. But mainly unfair to people such as myself who don't want to spend upwards of $150 USD on a video gam controller.
If you don't want to spend the money then don't complain that's your issue
+Warped Couldnt have said it any better myself. I dont use a scuf, but I always play with a headset. It is not cheating when I soundwhore my enemies since soundwhoring is part of the game but it certainly gives me an unfair advantage over those people that dont use a headset and cannot hear my footsteps.
did you watch the video ? if you cant afford a scuff just play claw ! You are gonna get used to it in under a week
$50 send in service for four back paddles, nothing else, and you have a Scuf.
+Flutsyn I did, but its much easier to play normally and not get arthritis in your fingers from positioning them that way.
I have always thought they were very unfair and I wish they didn't exist. It gives try hards a huge advantage. Stick and move just doesn't compare, you can jump, knife and drop easily with a scuf.
Play on PC and have no regrets.
Stick and move! I hear everybody talking about bumper jumper and I'm glad someone else uses the glorious stick and move layout
+Garrett J i use stick and move and changed the a button with Right bumber because i dont really use tactical grenades
+Garrett J I tried out bumper jumper and I just couldn't get used to it, stick and move is definitely the way to go. Glad to see other people actually use it.
I would have agreed, but i switched from normal to claw, so i can jumpshot and more
Cheating? No. Unfair? Yes.
My thoughts.
Kinda like sbmm lol
@nocapsorspace very true.
Lol there's no difference between the two - they're the same thing- going god mode is unfair but it's not cheating? Or is going god mode cheating but it's fair? It's the same thing, manipulating the gameplay to get an advantage over your opponent who is using oem equipment
Mr Hackmos There certainly is. Just like how activists can’t realize the difference between fairness and equality.
I play on pc idk why I watch this anyways
Lmao
+Luís Sousa same
anonymos2222 lol my steam name is Anonymous
+Luís Sousa i play with a keyboard/mouse on these consoles with an Xim4. it's great as it allows me to be able to play with my friends and not be hindered by a controller. check it out!
+Luís Sousa idk why u watch it either.. maybe it's a sign to stop playin so much pc
Ace the fact that a Scuf user can shoot semi-auto pistol at me and make it feel almost automatic because of the stoppers they have is not fair. Also, by us changing our controller settings make us lose something, for example the ability to knife as fast as opposed to Scuf users who don't have to move their fingers anywhere.
+iDankiie For the trigger stops comment, a lot of people have a good trigger finger regardless of the stops. I literally don't notice a difference in my rate of fire with or without them. Here's a great example of me without my scuf (ruclips.net/video/lrOg2CAI6FU/видео.html). You do bring up a great point about the button layouts and often having to sacrifice something.
+iDankiie
How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!
Just use flipped. Better than trigger stops imo and I have them.
+ABQSentinel
"Nothing is fair" does not mean you shouldn't aim for achieving equal playing ground.
+Matt “maphazar” Rudd what does flipped do? by the way i am on xbox one
A SCUF is an advantage, not a massive one but an advantage non the less. There is always a compromise with different button layouts, for example I use stick and move but as a result I rarely if ever win panic knifing situations because I have to move my thumb to do it. I can use Tactical and drop shot but have the same issue. A SCUF allows you to do everything with no compromise. It's BS and the game would have been better if they'd never been invented.
Just because it gives an edge doesn't make it cheating, it's like any other peripheral for a certain genre:
For example, racing games have steering wheels
Dogfighting games have joysticks
Fighting games also have joysticks and dedicated buttons (I.E. Street fighter game boards)
And FPS has extra paddles on the back of their controllers.
People like to complain about cheating but it's because this kind of thing is new to them.
It's not about whether it's cheating or not, it's about whether it's an unfair advantage. Personally I think it is as not everyone has or can afford a SCUF and it's most certainly an advantage, no matter how minor
The thing is,
Yes it does give you an advantage but it is fair in my opinion and here's why:
These controllers allow you to do things much easier than with standard controller BUT you are still able to do these things without the controllers (i.e Jump and continue to aim) with things like bumper jumper or Claw. Same with any other peripheral, It makes playing easier but it doesn't allow you to dominate
Nah if 3rd party controllers were never invented everyone's movement would be trash. It's not an unfair advantage. Like Ace said in the video, you don't need these controllers to do anything that they help you do, they just make it easier.
No it isnt. You can play claw which equals it out. Claw is something you have to be skilled to use but its the exact same as using a scuf
I'd like to see the "pros" play without them
+BrianB Many of them do and you'd never know the difference without seeing their hands
+BrianB Yea like pamaj, he can go beast mode with just playing claw
Justin Hillman OpTic Scump plays claw and was the best player in AW, top 5 in both BO3 and IW, and top 5 all time in cod history doesn't need to use a scuf(he has them without the paddles) so your argument is invalid.
would be hilarious. all of them WOULD have to adat to claw or bumper jumper.. but hey spending 150$ is just more COMFORTABLE AY?
Hahahha I doubt it, most of them have been playing for so long with scuf they'll be shit till they adapt to normal controllers.
I know this probably wouldn't be read much but here's my argument. Since I play PC, this is like comparing using a regular Dell/Hp mouse with like a steel series or Razer mouse. Both do the exact same thing: Allow you to aim. But obviously a branded gaming mouse does with with better precision, accuracy, tracking etc. I still have friends that use a regular stock mouse and they are freaking good with it. To me its about getting used to your hardware and maximising it.
Mouses tend to be more responsive
I consider a 120€ controller to fuck people up for a 60€ game on a 400€ console as unfair
+Maximilian Lawrence If someone spends 3000€ on a gaming PC, nobody bats an eye. Spend 120€ on a controller and everyone loses their minds
+SlimFish3r they're both a waste of money happy now?
+SlimFish3r As a PC gamer I'd lose my mind if someone spent 3k Euro on a PC because they got hella ripped off
+SlimFish3r because what people can do on a 3000€ computer, I can run on a laptop, you can't put paddles or shit on a 60€ controller without spending over the amount for the 120€ one
+anonymos2222 exactly
Well it obviously gives an advantage over layers who dont have it, otherwise no one would use it.
In the eyes of Microsoft's Terms of use. It is indeed cheating. Any mod that gives an advantage over another user breaks the TOS. And yes a SCUFF is a modded controller.
+bkpickell What about an Xbox Elite Controller? Is that cheating? It comes stock with a lot of console packages now.
If the answer is no and you feel the Elite isn't cheating then the Scuf gives no advantage over the Elite and, therefore, it can't be considered cheating by the logic that you used.
Well, those just came out if I'm not mistaken. And I don't believe they are available on last gen. So technically people using scuff on last gen would still be using a modded controller.
+Stephan Potter Irrelevant comment
+bkpickell Yet no one will ever get in trouble by microsoft for using a SCUFF, ever. It may be a modded controller, but it doesn't actually allow you to do anything you can't already do on a normal controller. It may give someone an advantage over those who don't have one, but all the extra buttons do the exact same thing as existing buttons. It is also allowed in MLG and tournament play, so that says it all for me.
Couch Guy Yn I know that. I was just making a statement. And if you read the TOS you would see I'm correct. Scuff controllers are modded 360 controllers, Elite controllers are not modded. So there is that. lol
until i get a scuf its cheating lol
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After I used SCUF for few months
Now I cant play with the normal controller anymore
Same
Exactly
It's a crutch not even going to lie
+uaestar I started playing FPS games on PC with mouse and keyboard. Now I can't play with any controller anymore.
+uaestar I played scuf for few months and two days ago I switched to claw just to try it out. For me claw gives me more fun, I realized I hate being dependent on hardware.
Let's be honest if you couldn't afford a scuf there's a 90 percent chance you would think it's unfair too, don't even lie.
+Calvin Boateng again CLAW!!!
Some youtubers: 30 minute video, 5 minute intro.
Ace: "alright I'm Ace, this is what I'm talking about today, let's do this. *2 second intro*
If it's that big of a deal to people, just go out there and buy one yourself. Thus, you now have the same "advantage".
+Kurtis Kroetsch If you can afford a PS4 or XBOX One you can afford to spend a little more on a controller. Matter of fact, people usually buy a second controller to play split screen with friends. That excuse is pretty tired out.
+alxbengosu That argument makes even less sense. A scuff controller is more than 3 times more expensive than the game itself and sometimes half the price of the actual console with which you can play multiple games, watch movies or go online. A scuff controller is simply not the sort of investment a casual gamer can afford to make.
I hear there's this "claw" grip you can use with normal controllers? So like I said in the above post, you either change your style or buy a Scuff-like controller. That is if you want to be "competitive" in pubs. Most casual gamers don't care, from what I see in multiplayer pub matches.
People who have a product always wanna justify it. This video was pointless. You're basically saying "Yes, I have a Scuf controller so no, its not cheating because you can do it without the controller." While yes that may be true, it still allows you to do multiple commands at once, which serves as an advantage over an opponent. So since you can do that without a Scuf, then why did you buy one? And before you say "What about the Elite controller?" Look at the price of it, and I still consider that an unfair advantage, no matter who it comes from. I don't care who uses them, but the question was what we thought. Thats just my opinion.
He stated in the video that he bought a scuf in order to be able to do those movements more comfortably. Pay attention.
100% agree
Exactly, and if you can do those movements "more comfortably," in essence, it's 'easier' then it does give an unfair advantage over those users who not only find it uncomfortable to play in "claw" but "hard as hell" to play in claw. Using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller doesn't require finger gymnatics like "claw" can for some people (particularly me with my short fingers). lol. All using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller require is re-wiring muscle memory by constant use. Claw is just awkward for my hand to physically perform. So for me, anyone using a method to keep their thumbs on the joysticks at all times with the ability to jump, aim, and shoot all at once will always have an unfair advantage over a person like me playing with a traditional controller that finds "claw" style unbearably hard to do.
Zay there are options within the game that allow you to do multiple functions without using a scuff etc.
So people that can play claw have an unfair advantage because you find it too uncomfortable? That's like saying people who can aim better have an unfair advantage because you're not comfortable with an analog stick enough to aim well. Or that people with no jobs and don't go to school, who can no-life CoD have an unfair advantage over people who can only play a couple matches a day.
At the end of the day, regardless of what controller you're using the more skilled player is going to win 99.999% of the time. Dumping a bunch of cash into a fancy controller isn't going to improve your aim or give you better reaction times. This just sounds to me like another excuse people throw out when they lose. "It wasn't that I had less skill or that my opponents were better than me... it's because of their controller!" Sorry bud, but no.
A better headset helps out more then a scuf controller
I agree
I disagree, a SCUF controller obviously gives you an unfair advantage. If not, then why do all pro players use SCUF? SCUF is BS.
Because they are easier to use than a normal controller. Dont shit on it just because you dont have one.
Pros use scufs so it's legit? So because role models do drugs, commit crimes, etc it means it's legit? They shouldn't be allowed to use them.... scuf probably pays a shit ton of money to have their product to be used - everyone has a price, doesn't mean it's a fair and honest way of playing
and whats even more easy to use is a mouse and keyboard to aim.. so why isnt that allowed in console ESL ?
best argument of the month.
how is it unfair when you can do it with a normal pad if you change stick and button layout
I do not have a scuf but I was able to easily learn Stick and Move with the regular controller and I can jump and fire easily.
same
+Alex Pezold Since my Scuf broke I picked up stick and move and I can't honestly say there would be a big difference. Scuf feels more comfortable in hand probably but that's it.
Hey Alex it's Seth!
right
my problem is I HAD to adapt to a new controller scheme because I can't play casual anymore when everyone else uses scuff, which is annoying. being forced to play a different way to "have fun" is annoying imho
people who suck at the game have to use special controllers and mods to cheat, and they were shagged by their uncle as a child.
He's speaking the language of the gods
Thibk about it like this: its the equivalent and haveing two kids in a basketball 1v1
Kid #1 is wearing jeans, a t shirt, and has a worn down basketball
Kid #2 has $2000 air jordans, basketball shorts, a tanktop and maximum grip ball
Now it does come down to who is better at basketball, but obviously kid #2 will have a much easier time
You forgot about Kid #2 has Elite socks and a headband and an arm sleeve.
Keep banging these videos out and you'll go far dude 👊
Is it cheating ? No. Is it unfair ? yes.
It's not even unfair, it's an advantage. But me playing claw it's fine you just have to put effort, or even just play bumper jumper
They aren't cheating at all IMO. Maybe a little unfair. Before I got my scuf I could still jump shot with relative ease. Now that I got one its just a lot easier. I feel it's a little unfair because there are some gunfights that I know I probably wouldn't have won if I didn't have a scuf.
+legalkillerkev He said they weren't cheating in the first sentence...Do you even reading comprehension bro?
legalkillerkev Cheating is acting dishonestly or unfairly so it can be viewed as cheating.
legalkillerkev IMO is an abbreviation just like "lmao" So maybe you should stop using that. It's the internet people use abbreviations to type fast. In real life I wouldn't say IMO
legalkillerkev It's really not that stupid since people will think you are acting like it's a fact when all you did was state your opinion.
legalkillerkev No but it literally means the same thing. I don't know why you have a problem with it. You seem to get mad online too easy.
While playing on stick and move, holding down the right analog stick can mess up aim more than having a SCUF or Xbox One Elite controller. The people who spend more money on those special controllers have a clear advantage, and it is unfair. Is it cheating? That's debatable. Elite controllers sold by actual console developers and manufacturers are very similar to SCUFs, but SCUF is a modded controller (yes, it is modified). I'd say no, it's a legal modified controller.
The paddles on the back of Microsoft were designed in the lights of Racing games. I don't blame them; making gear shifts feel like real shifting.
I didn't even realize that Black Ops III offers a button layout to jump/crouch while maintaining your thumbs on the sticks. I remember checking it in MW3 and Ghosts, where you had to decide between knifing or couching by pressing the right stick. Definitely need to check this out, so thanks for the advice!
You didn't even mention the trigger stoppers! Now that's an unfair advantage Ace.
just stick some screws in to make your own
+stephdjohn Just use flipped... The bumper is a lot faster than the trigger with trigger stopper...
the trigger stoppers dont really change anything. The ps4 controller shoot when you put a tiny bit of pressure on the trigger.
scuff is a modded controller dude.... and his function is help to kill more easy.
so... definitely is Unfair for player that doesn't have one of these.
exactly, people don't know the meaning of a modded controller, it doesn't matter what it has on it, it is a modified controller, and in Xbox's terms of service they state that these things are not allowed
Of course, but since then Microsoft has endorsed scuf (Sony allows them at events they have sponsored so that shows support). Microsoft has also released their own version of a scuf controller; the Elite controller.
RAAAYOS people that have scuf dont have god mode so stop crying
Ppl seem to think a SCUF is just magically going to make you win every gunfight all the time which simply isn't true. You still need to have accuracy skill even while using a Scuf to hit your target and stay on target etc. And a Scuf can't improve a player's overall skill like timing, map knowledge, predicting and reading enemies etc. Also there are CoD RUclipsrs out there who don't own or use a Scuf and are really great with regular controllers. So in conclusion anyone who bitches about Scuf just sucks at CoD or other FPS games and needs to face that fact and admit it's the truth.
It's pay to try and succeed. I'm sure people don't buy them and are automatically nadeshot
The ability to switch weapons jump reload Crouch/prone position Jump shot Drop shot All without moving your thumbs from the Analog Is a clear advantage Over default controllers
Great videos Xclusive Ace by the way ;-)
was the game designed with scuf controllers in mind? no. the game was designed to be used with a regular PS4 or XBONE controller. I would say scuf is cheating because it adds more functionality that wasn't intended.
I have a special keyboard that I use for playing MMO's. Theres a bunch more buttons around my hand that allows me to press buttons that would normally be out of reach like (CTRL + 0). Is this cheating? yes I would say it is. I was a much better player because of this. And I can tell you right now that the games I played with PvP were real unfair for the other players since most use a normal keyboard to play.
The argument can always be made that anyone could go out and buy a scuf or in my case a razer Anansi. But the games weren't designed with those peripherals in mind. They don't allow you to do anything you couldn't do before, but they sure as hell allow you to do more than what was intended.
Personally I don't care either way what anyone uses. I consider myself a cheater and would be a hypocrite if I didn't call myself one after explaining my viewpoint. But as long as the game was designed for standard peripherals, I would call anyone using anything that gave you an advantage over other players a cheater.
Well said.
You need to make this go viral on Twitter. The point is...if this is the new style. Release these controllers for everyone during the release of a new console. Nope;won't happen because its too powerful of a tool.
Best comment on here
Ace you're bang on. Shame to see the delusion in these comments.
Great video man, get well soon!
This is exactly what I would expect to hear from a scuf user. It's clearly an unfair advantage, you're playing it down by saying you can do with a scuf what you can do with a regular one, but it's just a little more comfortable. It's more than that, it makes it very easy to evade bullets while allowing you to maintain your normal accuracy, which is simply just not possible with a regular controller, and the claw technique is bad for you're fingers, and probably increases your chances of getting carpal tunnel too. You're playing it down like it's not s clear advantage, but no one would buy scuf, let alone two like yourself, no one would spend THAT much more money on a controller if it wasn't for the very clear advantage scufs will give you. I know the advantage, I'm thankful bumper jumper tactical is now a new button layout, because it's the only way to put myself at the same advantage that a scuf player has, but most people don't know about this new button layout, so it's still easy to outplay other players just by simply jumping, cause they can't, they can jump and then shoot, but I can jump three times while shooting someone which makes me way harder to hit. Unfair advantage.
Greatly said
Like you said your self you can do the same thing with bumper jumper. Just less comfortably.
+MonkeyMan075 but muscle memory still wants to hit A sometimes. And without a scuff it will get you killed, because on a scuff A is still jump. go into a wall run with an alternate button layout and hit A, you are either throwing a tactical or knifing.
and don't get me started on knifing. I cant even use the ripper specialist, because I keep forgetting A is my knife.
+bkpickell I took me a day or two to learn but I got it eventually but still all preference of the player
His argument also does not hold ground when it comes to the xbox elite controller: it has hair triggers and an app that allows you to change the sensitivity curves, fine tune them in great detail, it is something that the games usually DOES NOT ALLOW.
SCUF, elite controllers and mouse and keyboards adapters for consoles are a market that feeds on providing unfair advantage and some form of cheating to console gaming.
You mentioned you have a scuf for both PS4 and XB1 do you also have BO3 for XB1? Because I find that BO3 has way more aim assist on PS4 then on XB1.. its rediculous! Can you test this and maybe make a video on this?
totally agree with you Ace. Microsoft has their own and all the major competitions allow them so it isn't cheating and even saying they are unfair is stretching it, really thin. get used to another button layout or claw. or just get one for yourself,I really don't see how a gamer can't afford one. if you're that casual of a player then it shouldn't even be an issue. Scuf, battle beaver, I think even cinch offer a send in service for the controller you're already using making it cheaper. maybe we'll all get lucky and the consoles will start being sold with these types of controllers included
but how can you expect someone who has no money to adapt to compete with those that do?
+DeXdAA Modify your controller yourself. It's not hard.
I'm don't play
competitive but I like to do well( I'm kinda like a serious casual gamer).I'm in that category who really can't afford a $120 controller since that's the cost of a book for college but I lose gunfights because all these guys go around jump shooting with their scuff. It honestly makes me really mad that they can pay for an obvious advantage. And I don't want to change my button layout because I've been gaming all my life and I'm used to certain buttons doing certain things... It's not worth the learning curve
+DeXdAA I guess if you want to play competitively you'll save the money for one. am I so out of touch that these controllers are unattainable by some? I went for a long time without one and, I didn't want to spend that much got a controller but when I finally did it yes it was worth it. so much more natural and comfortable, and easier. if you're serious about playing even just serious casual gaming save the money for one. send in service with four paddles is $50. you won't get remapping or grips or trigger stops but you'll get the extra paddles
+ImmortalJeremyHD I feel your pain. see my other reply. $50 send in service is a no frills special for the extra paddles from Scuf. I'm not sure what battle beaver costs for send in but they have awesome customer service. you can complain about people using them or bite the bullet and save for one. When I finally got one I thought it was worth it if for no other reason than Lee frustration from losing those same gunfights
On PS4 you can make custom button assignments. I use L1-aim, R1-shoot, L2-jump, R2-slide, X-lethal, O-tactical. Gives me the same abilities as scuff for free. Plus you can turn it on/off by holding the PS button and selecting/unselecting it in the menu.
I never thought about the CLAW hand position until you mentioned it. I played Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 using my index to change the manual positions, hitting square, triangle and Circle (on PS1) :) Maybe I will try out other controller setups to see if they work for me.
scuff controllers actually gives you a 1.2 sec shot faster than a person who doesn't have a scuff. so it is cheating in a way.
It is unfair, you said yourself that it's a matter of "comfort and ergonomics." Well those are advantages behind a pay wall, which makes them unfair. Not to mention how playing claw requires practice to do effectively, as opposed to the easy pick uo of a Scuf. Scufs aren't cheating, but they are unfair.
No because even if you have them , that doesn’t makes you instantly better
@@fog4259 But it gives you an unfair advantage locked behind a paywall. A player that is the same level of skill as a player with a scuf is at a disadvantage because of a paywall. Hence, unfair.
@@emotivation2841 then basically having better hardware is cheating. Usain bolt is cheating because he has better genes than me.The rich people are cheating to because they have more money. Eating food is cheating because there are people that they just can’t eat.
@@emotivation2841 skill is totally subjective to the person who is playing. I was cranking like crazy with a fucking iPad at 30fps. There are pro players playing at 60fps against people with 240.
@@fog4259 I did not say that having better hardware was cheating, I said it was unfair, which is an indisputable fact. People that don't have the money to pay for something like that will be at a disadvantage to people that do.
I don't think it's cheating, but there is 100% incontrovertibly a disadvantage if you are not playing claw (and I still think there is even if you are). With bumper jumper you have to play claw to aim while throwing your flashbang, and you have to use your middle finger to ADS (unlike how most people hold the controller) if you ever want to jumpshot effectively. With stick and move you are pressing a stick which can impact your aim. It's also a lot different than a button. You are forced to play claw if you want to aim while still being able to melee/go crouch/go prone/slide. Even then you have to move the "claw" finger around which is a slight disadvantage to the stationary middle fingers for scuf controllers. It's pretty hard to argue that it isn't giving you an advantage over a regular controller. You can use the same broken logic for a modded controller. It's just like having a really fast trigger finger. The gameplay is the same (I'm just talking about a full auto modded controller not a jitter mod) so you don't know the difference. It's just more comfortable to hold it down than to tire out my trigger finger. I'm not saying a modded controller isn't cheating, I'm just using it as a counter argument. The standpoint in the video is pretty obvious. Ace didn't go into the disadvantages of having to use bumper jumper or stick and move, but he did go into the details about the modded controller. I'm just doing the opposite.
Ace I completely agree with you, and thank you for clarifying this for us.
Scuf controllers are unfair and cheating. The ONLY reason button layouts like bumper jumper/stick n' move exist is to try to balance out all the scuf players. The controller is BULLSHIT honestly. You literally have extra buttons ! how is that not cheating or unfair? Yeah sure i can switch my button layout and Boom i can jumpshot, okay. But now my knife is "x". Mean while the scuf guy can jumpshot with one pannel, panic knife/and or reload with the other and drop shot with r3 lol
+JBHviews What about the xbox elite controller that now comes as the stock controller with a lot of xbox packages? It does the same thing as a Scuf. Are you a cheater if you use the stock controller that comes with your console?
+TheXclusiveAce to be honest i think thats only come out because of scuff and paddle controllers. both an RF controller and a paddle controller allow you to more easily do something within the game. how you can say one is cheating but not the other is not logical. as i said before personally i dont care what people use as long as its not a mod menu or other related nonsense. niether controller are going to give you a wall hack and an aim bot after all ☺
+JBHviews Is it unfair if people play claw? It would be impossible to tell if a player is using Scuf or claw unless you were physically there to see. Scufs were created to combat claw in the first place (well claw is terrible for your hand muscles anyways).
+The GreenMachine as i said i dont really care personally. use whatever you want. i was commenting that the logic seemed a little strange.
I wasn't commenting on your reply, you weren't mentioned, but I understand what you're saying.
They should make the stock controllers for xbox and ps have scuf buttons.
What? Why?
Nova StrykerHD Because they are superior to a normal controller. You can keep both fingers on the knobs while manipulating a button of your choice. You wouldn't have to use them but they are there if you want to. It also would even out the playing field because people are using them. Lots of people use them and love them because they work.
Why would they make that come with the console if you could just milk more money buying it separately
Can’t scuf has Patton’s
Sony and microsoft may do this in their ps5 & xb2 controller,if they made it i would be happy.
When I got my Scuf controller is definitely helped my game a ton, it definitely helps (if you're a decent player and use it right) but its definitely not cheating, it doesn't give you a suit of armor on your player, have turbo, or give you more ammo in your magazine.
Ace you are the best cod youtuber you dont ask for likes your voice is calming you dont have outbursts of like rage or like screaming if you get something good in SD honestly I would say for etiquette 10/10 Keep up the good work and videos
Cheating? No
Unfair? Yes
I think they're unfair because yes it's not doing anything that the game doesn't allow you to do, however for a casual gamer or even for one who plays a lot, they can do movement that we simply cannot do like they can with ease.
i've tried different button layouts, tried using claw grip, and they just feel horrible, i cant get use to the buttons on a different layout, im forever pressing the wrong ones cus im so use to pressing the normal ones, claw grip i find it really hard to aim and it's not very comfy, i would like a scuf myself but i cant afford one.
I have been using the "stick and move" layout. It's not that difficult to adjust to, and I don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against players that are using a scuf. I would recommend it.
i have tried it, i feel as though the aim is not as smooth, and as easy as you obviously have to press it in, and in crucial gun fights if you feel you need to jump, your aim isnt as good, but im willing to try it again
A Hays3 im having trouble aiming whilst jumping with stick and move its really hard, as your stick is pressed down which decreases accuracy
Says the guy who is selling scuff controllers.
+Outrjs I'm not affiliated with Scuf in any way.
+TheXclusiveAce are you making a video promoting scuff controllers and getting likes and views that pays you?
It's okay to be a salesman.
+Outrjs I have never been in contact with anyone at Scuf. I don't receive any form of compensation whatsoever from the company.
+TheXclusiveAce okay. Thanks for the video.
I feel that people should quit complaining and just get use to the different button layouts like I did. It took me a couple of games to get use to it but it was worth it. But if by all means you have money to spare go right ahead and buy one.
Hey ace did you just g-slide at 4:16 and if so how did you do it.I seen your video on it but it's so hard to do. Well I'm just hoping that you found a easily way to do it.
DO U EVEN BUMPER JUMPER BRO
As a claw player myself. Are Scuffs cheating? No. Are they unfair? No. Is there some sort of advantage? Yes, otherwise nobody would buy them in the first place.
but a FAIR advantage, which i believe you mean anyway
+Chain Wallet Also scufs are an advantage just like kontrol freeks and headsets are. Having a good connection is an advantage. If someone calls scuf cheating well they don't comprehend that they are playing a online game which is an advantage or disadvantage in itself. An online game will never show you're 100% skill in every game so really people buy these products so they have an advantage over the unfairness of a game.
Zee Zen That changed my entire perspective.... good point mate
You have options in you buttonlayout section called bumper jumper (tactical) so you jump with L1 (LB) and throw tacticals with X (A) or stick and move to jump by tappung your right stick and melee with X (A)
In the feet to ground CODs scufs weren't as useful but in AW and BO3 they became more useful bc being able to be high up in the air and shoot at the same time is a huge advantage over your opponent.
I can do everything with a normal controller that a scuff can so I guess I'm better than the mlg pros lol
So the answer is no it's not cheating plus you can actually customize your controller and ad nice grip to it that comes attached to the controller no grip cases off amazon
Darth BadGuy how mich nukes do you have when you are better that a pro?
by the same logic couldn't you argue that the rapid fire controllers are also not cheating because you can simply hold the button or push it repeatedly
both still possible outcomes with either controller..
+Valar_Morghulis You simply can't replicate what a rapid fire mod does without the mod. I can replicate everything a scuf does without using a scuf.
+TheXclusiveAce you underestimate my trigger finger... lol jk
rapid fire does things the game wasn't programmed for
does it actually make the gun fire faster than the guns fire rate cap? Or does it just make the game think you're pushing the fire button really really fast. Cuz if that's the case, how is it cheating? Couldn't you just push the fire button really really fast
matthew wensink it turns semi auto weapons into full auto weapons, with insane fire rates. think sheiva firing like a vesper
Ever since I got my scuf I haven't played a single game without it. Just because of the simple reason that I can't play without scuf anymore.. I went to a friend's house the other day and played with a normal controller and it felt shit. Once you get used to a scuf you actually step up your game quite a bit imo. It's not worth buying if you're not serious about gaming or have the money to spend. But if you actually do have the money I would say it's a great investment. One thing to note though is that the quality of the scuf isn't really like a normal controller. Things can break quite easily which is why you should be very careful when handling it..
I have gotten used to the "stick and move" button layout and can say it's every bit as effective as when I had my scuf. I have a 3.0 kd and don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against other players that I know are using scufs.
+A Hays3 Stick and move is incredible
a scuf controller is a modded controller
+GAMER4 LIFE
mod
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informal
verb
past tense: modded; past participle: modded
make modifications to; modify.
"both the single-player and multiplayer games can be modded"
a scuf isnt the original xbox or ps controller the controllers a taken apart and gets modified by a 3rd party company
Yes it is, it is a modification of the original controller that is sold with the console
They aren't cheating, but they're unfair
+Tyler Taricco explain
I don't see how, it only takes a few days to adjust to a new button layout in custom games, a few days of work to buy one, if your old enough, a few days to use claw but it is harder to play claw for a first time. The fourth option being asking your parents and fifth is just deal with it. 5 options to chose
No they're not, anyone can get them.
I agree totally ace. I dont have a scuff controller and was feeling that the scuffers had a big advantage. But i started to experiment with the bump and jumper tactical and once i got used to the different setup (for me it took about a week) i found that i was jumping and shooting all over the place. My k/d went up, my skill improved and i can give the best of them a good challenge. So yeah i think people should experiment with the different button setups available within the game and find one that works for them.
It's not cheating but you definitely get a significant advantage. You forgot to mention the trigger stops, they also give an advantage on shooting games.
Won't ever need one because claw is amazing
It really is, i started playing claw a month ago and my k/d went from a 1.30 to a 2:15
+Chevelle Garcia really now. a controller did that? I got a 4 kd with normal controller. Hell with claw I would be able to go pro wouldn't I?
Damn they really need to bann these things.
+Jesse Pinkman claw isnt a controller. Its a way of holding the controller that allows you to use your index finger for the abxy buttons.
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oh just like claw and palm grip on mouse I see ok interesting
claw hurts my hands so I just switched my B button with my right stick
I think it's unfair in competitive it's crutch and modifications
+Russell Bailey The only reason it is fair in competitive is that you use the scuf controller to get even with the claw players, and everyone has one. The reason it is not fair anywhere else is because people who play claw are in the minority and most players will have the controller that comes with their console.
Hi, i have i question, since you have both consoles (xbox one and ps4), do you play on both COD3?...If so, do you notice any advantage specifically on the connection on the PS4?...I own a X1 and i feel that lags a little, especially in night time, i get a ping of 80-90ms, in daytime i get about 40-50ms which is great, but with 80-90 ms im always a second behind. So im thinking in trade or sell my X1 and buy a PS4. Id like to know your opinion.
My internet connection is: 100mb download and 25 upload. with fiber.
switch the button layout to "bumper jumper" where r1(ps4) or rb(xb1) is the jump button so you never have to take your thumb off the stick to jump
For me, they aren't cheating, but they're kind of unfair. Now before I drown in sweat from Mountain Dew guzzlers ready to put my head on a stake, listen to my argument. I play with a standard controller, no different layout, no claw, and I do just fine. Lets say I buy a scuf, there will be a noticeable difference in my gameplay. The reason I find this unfair is because if you take two equal skilled players, and give one a scuf, it gives the player with the scuf an advantage in a situation that would have been 50/50. That is why I see it as unfair.
so you must think that headsets are unfair too?
+I IS DERPY Sure, but wouldn't there be a noticeable difference in your gameplay if you just changed your button layout (and learned to jump and aim with the new layout) or learned to play claw - neither of which require paying money for a Scuf?
i dont have a scuf and i destroy kids with scufs in gbs.
+Nico Mauri no, headsets don't alter gameplay, they simply increase immersion, I use a default Xbox headset and destroy people with Astros.
+THEVibeVictorians I never said that couldn't happen, I'm talking about equal skill, however, not differing skill, you are most likely much better than the people with scufs that you play against.
OK this is going to get a lot of flak and please be respectful when I say this but I think that a rapid fire mod controller is not cheating let me tell you why
1. the gun will still shoot at the same max fire rate and stats will still be the same
2. If this is considered cheating then scuf might as well be because it is adding something to the controller in which u can do your self
3. it dose not make ANY weapon over powered because if the Shiva shoots at let's say 200 rpm and u don't use a rapid fire mod controller then you will shoot at 150 rpm ( human oversampling and error) as the rapid fire mod controller will let u shoot at the full 200 rpm which keeps the gun the Same
4 it takes no skill to use rapid fire controller? then by that logic it takes no skill to use a scuf. look you can fire a Shiva at full fire rate you can play clawed
pls remember whether your on each side (rapid fire is cheating or is not cheating) be respectful with your comments\ debate\ discussion
as you can obviously see I'm on the side its not cheating
+jesse scavotto
1. When the semi auto has a low fire rate cap with no oversampling like the Sheiva, I can see this argument because anyone can easily maintain that max fire rate with ease. The problem comes when you have a high fire rate semi-auto or a semi-auto that can be oversampled. In this case, the rapid fire controller is allowing you to do something that is literally impossible to replicate without the mod and it's circumventing a system that was put in place to keep the semi-autos more balanced (Oversampling).
2. Like I said, with a high fire rate gun with oversampling, the mod DOES allow you to do something that you can't do yourself, unlike the scuf.
3. Some modded controllers allow you to EXCEED the max fire rate using a jitter. For example, I've seen tons of clips of a brecci firing at 800+RPM because of a modded controller which is completely game breaking.
4. A rapid fire mod isn't a 1:1 input, a scuf is. With a rapid fire controller you only need to press one button to perform nearly limitless actions that are meant to require 1 button press for each action. With a scuf, it's still 1 button press per action.
+jesse scavotto My reply to people who use mod controllers ( not scuff or other legit controllers ) get good scrub
+jesse scavotto it's not cheating because you use it, basically, right? if a gun is not meant to be fired at an automatic fire rate, like an M6 or a shiva, then why mad a controller to make it do so. if you cant rapidly move your finger that fast to fire then it shouldn't be as simple at holding down the freaking trigger as you would a vesper. Especially something with such high DMG and so little recoil. it's a joke and it lacks skill. This has nothing to do with scuf. it has everything to do with modded controllers that allow rapid fire features to gain an upper hand
Drew Collins spot on thank you lol
+jo Ben other than the jitter bug bs
You got it, man. Keep up the good work!
Yeah I use stick and move with a kontrol freek on my right stick, helps sooo much but takes getting used to.
Unfair advantage, especially with the boost jumping
Yep Pay 2 Win is real
I had a scuf to my 360, and it was really nice. However now I don't really care.
Have the Vesper been buffed again? I saw that someone used it when I played today and it seemed like it didn't have as much recoil now (I know that your gameplay is old, so I aint asking this because of it)
It's still an advantage, even over other button layouts because you can input multiple commands, such as jump, look around, and reload all at the same time. The only reason these things are legal and supported is because there's tons of money to be made off of them. The only reason anyone should be using a scuf is to trickshot.
Truth.
It's not cheating but it's unfair, who agrees?
You know my answer.
Yep
I feel like scuf controllers are cheating because it's not what the console orginally came with and gives you a advantage and helps ...why can't people just play fair with a normal controller
+UR Momma The Elite controller now comes with certain console packages.
+ReinforcedRitter what he's saying is it's unfair to play with a none Xbox marketed controller, I say any controller that is not manufactured by Xbox should not be allowed on Xbox, I'm fine with elites but I find it unfair to have extra equipment (extra paddles, easier movement with joysticks, looser triggers for faster firing, ect).
+Christopher Castillo trigger stops
+Christopher Castillo yes haha thank you for explaining it better
+UR Momma no worries, I have the elite controller I agree it give me an advantage for example jump shooting and easy controller with the back paddles
There is another alternative as well, button mapping. It's in the Xbox one settings (not sure if PS4 has it). Switch the left bumper with the A button. Stuns are a bit wonky and it takes a bit to get used to but imo, it is still the best alternative to having a scuff controller.
Hello. I was wondering what button layout you use on your scuf controller. Thank you.
Here's a simple flow chart to tell you when something is unfair: Does it give an advantage? If the answer is yes, then it is unfair. It's as simple as that. SCUF controllers give players an advantage, therefore they are unfair. I think you have a bias since you use SCUF controllers.
ye definitely cheating unless everyone was supplied with a scuff then its completely unfair.
Just bc your broke and think it's cheating bc you don't own one doesn't make it cheating cheating would be if I had god mode on fucking you in the ass online in a game over and over again and a scuf does is allow you to hit the buttons you normally would have to pick your fingers up to hit, it's an advantage but not cheating these people need to get the facts right
NsLHD i work 46 hours a week I'm far from broke, it is cheating its called pay to win as you can jump and aim at the same time something you cant do with a normal pad so you get your facts right.
You can play claw, allowing you to jump/aim at the same time with a normal controller. Next please!
Ruxio still not as good as a scuff or what would be the point of a scuff? Next please.
Lee marshall The best slayer in the entire game plays claw. Just because you can't doesn't mean other can't. Besides, do you even own a scuff? lol
if you look at it and say "yeah, people can play claw" but majority of people are casual players, and are used to a default layout. When those people come against someone using a scuf controller, they almost have no chance when they come across some guy that is constantly jumping, and shooting, and I know many friends that have stopped playing Black Ops 3 because of that. They really weren't such a big deal before advanced warfare came out.
I am still learning how to use my SCUF. (establishing a new muscle memory) I had the same learning curve when I switched to tactical layout over the default (to drop shot rather than panic knife) My problem was jumping instead of ripping (hitting the wrong set of triggers) I am on the back end if that learning curve and am finding moving (jumping, boosting and sliding) and performing other actions much easier now. I should have gotten my SCUF for AW.
Is a Scuf worth the price or not??? Please help me!
Yes!
+Elco Berlemont If you play a lot and/or have the money to spend then it's up to you whether or not you think being able to jumpshot and aim comfortably is worth it.
You can get just as good playing normally, I say no.
+Elco Berlemont PLEASE don't get a scuf!!!
+Elco Berlemont the quality is questionable according to a lot of reports (break quickly), and you can do exactly the same thing by switching to bumper jumper and learning that (takes 1-3 day max to learn).
If you have money to waste a good headset does more for you, that should be the first choice
7 views, 6 likes, :) that's pretty good
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+Russell Bailey Russell be commenting gibberish
+JasonBeKillin you remember me from Ace's streams? I'm joshdennett1010 lol
+Zlatan Ibrahimovic Yea I remember the name
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+TheXclusiveAce is your scuf the default setup? I sent mine back to reconfigure it. For me, I prefer using the right paddle to jump and left paddle for knife.
Short and sweet. Your right on the money...never really looked at it like that, but your right
Call of Duty will never go back to boots on the ground because the advantage of a scuf controller is nullified.
Sliding will still be a thing.
+Nova StrykerHD And jumshotting, and dropshotting.
Nova StrykerHD Yeah but people would just use different layouts, Scufs only got really big when the movement system became a huge part of the game
ben-t Yes but playing claw is still a thing aswell.
Nova StrykerHD I'd say less than 1% of COD players, it's very rare.
Just use Bumper Jumper Tactical lol it's op
For real
+Thirst how do you aim and jump? Unless you use middle finger to shoot which is just uncomfortable
Yep this is what I do. Only thing I hate is it's hard to use the ripper
rorylr i use R1 to shoot so it's way easier. L2 to jump and L1 to aim. I then shoot with R1 with my index finger. Using ripper and throwing tacticals takes time getting used to.
I always thought you were supposed to use your middle finger to shoot until my friends say I can't use a controller right. even though they can't even aim.
Honestly, I jump around and all that just fine on the default control settings WITHOUT using claw. And when I say fine, I mean solo pub stomping fine.
Used to use the razer onza and they didn't use paddles but instead they have an extra right and left button which would be behind your grenade/stuns buttons that could be programmed to be any button on the controller using two buttons on the back
scuf controllers are modded controllers...
+Zach LaValey Not once did I deny that fact
If "scuff" and "claw" are equals minus the comfort, then why did you change?? I call bullshit, stop trying to deny that having a scuff does give you an unfair advantage to even the "claw" players. I play claw and will never go back bc claw is very uncomfortable and my trigger actions is a LOT more consistent using a scuff. I agree it's not cheating but don't deny you have an unfair advantage. If you disagree give your scuffs away and stay with "claw".
+Juan Hernandez I changed because playing claw caused me discomfort and a scuf didn't.
As he mentioned it's not an unfair advantage. It can be done using the bumper jumper button layout
+Juan Hernandez
How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!
I play claw and hade someone ask me what color my scuff was months back so he is not lying
+Racing Killer GFK bumper jumper is completely comfortable to use and does exactly what a scuff would do in this case (in other games that need another button as well, like Square in destiny for reviving while aiming its a bit different), just requires you to retrain your muscle memory
Off topic, but I noticed you were able to do the G-slide in this video, and I'm assuming this is new gameplay. Do you have any tips on how to do it effectively now after it got patched? I know you have to time it absolute perfectly, but I haven't been able to find that sweet spot yet (on PC).
I quite miss that feature
+Andabraud It was actually older gameplay I had saved up. I've been super sick and unable to record much lately
+TheXclusiveAce Ah right okay. Well, thanks anyway :)
thx. yea I use stick and move... helps alot to be able to aim and jump at the same time. gonna look into one of these controllers to help with my melee attack
100%cheating, 100%unfair.
How is it cheating it is a controller made for comfort their is not type of mods in the system hardware such as rapid fire.
use claw you lazy
Guge Yao fact. It’s paying to win at its finest.
JCLAPP01 yes it is. It allows you to do more things at once and its not for comfort either. You can reload and jump with the pedals without letting your thumb off that analog stick.
You're defence of a modded controller is laughable.
Scuf controllers are nothing more than a third party modded controller DESIGNED to give you an advantage over the average player. Thats what they are. If they weren't for that, why would you buy one?
Jumping and aiming at the same time in a game like this gives you a huge advantage. And yes, you can technically move your controls around, but the bottom line is you still have 2 extra buttons at your disposal. 2 extra buttons = distinct advantage.
Technically if I trained myself to play claw, I could do the same. But what if i trained myself to YY and shoot (which is what rapid fire mods are)? Would that make a rapid fire modded controller fair? No. it wouldnt.
This video is nonsense. I'm just going to get a mouse and keyboard and jump while aiming, and benefit from mouse precision and aim assist. According to the logic presented in this video, that's fine, right?
But shooting + YY is a glitch. Jumping while being able to aim isn't
Potato Well then I guess we should be YYing to shorten our reload... That's a glitch, right?
***** Yea and normally no one can have 2 extra fingers hovering over buttons. When I say 2 extra buttons, I mean 2 buttons readily available to you that your fingers hover over.
***** So I have to train myself to hold the controller differently.
This argument was covered in my original comment (See: learning and training myself to YY for rapid fire)
***** Jitter mods technically take advantage of mechanics present in the game. If it's possible in game with "training" like changing your grip, then there is no difference.
What about the mouse and keyboard point? Would you be ok with that? Technically it's not taking advantage of a glitch or anything, so fair game right?
***** They don't provide an advantage? Then why would you buy one?
i have a scuff but i keep using X for jumping and O for sliding, its kinda hard to stop using this button and only use the pad behind the controllers
You need to get used to it bit it doesn't take that long
After one week using my scuf I was at the same skill level than before
I have been playing claw for a week and it has improved my gameplay I urge you guys to flip your shooting buttons if you have small hands its going to take some getting used to as to everything that is new but I promise it will be worth it.