The Gray Area | Ta-Nehisi Coates on visiting Palestine
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Sean Illing and Ta-Nehisi Coates talk about storytelling, moral clarity, and the dangers of hiding behind complexity.
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In this excerpt from The Gray Area podcast, Coates discusses his new book of essays, The Message.
The Message covers a lot of ground, but the largest section of the book is about Coates’s trip to the Middle East and the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. Coates argues that the situation is not as complicated as most of us believe.
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”Take the worst things about Hamas, multiply it by 1,000 and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing of Palestinians" ~Gabor Maté, Holocaust survivor
My Man!
Pretending injustices are complex is the tactic of the oppressor. If you can't recognize things are wrong as they happen you are exactly like the bystanders we criticize in the past. This "gray area" nonsense is a great way to avoid taking a stance on anything, so thank you for recording this because history will have a record of how people rationalized this genocide.
Calling injustices complex is a reflection of reality, rather than the fact-free fantasy land young American activists are living in. It is possible to both acknowledge the tragedy of the humanitarian situation in Gaza, while realising that any country would do the same as Israel to protect its people. The reality is that practically all 'Free Palestine' activists do not care about humanity, they just hate Israel. There are so many terrible conflicts on our planet, many of which have a much greater humanitarian toll than the Arab-Israeli conflict. Yet these activists only care when Israel, which just so happens to be the one Jewish country, is involved.
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinian American here, my country literally did the same thing Israel is doing now. Wasted 20 years on a War on Terror after 9/11, defeating not one terrorist group. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS still exist to this day. Just a couple of years ago we gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban because warfare is the worst tool to use against a militant group.
Now Israel is following in our footsteps. So...we just don't learn from history anymore? Every country, including currently Israel, would be foolish enough to do what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan despite it happening in their lifetime, their own memory? And least we Americans didn't have a recent war by an ally to tell us our wars would be failures.
In any case, I hope you aren't talking about American activists hating Israel. Americans don't care about Israelis or Palestinians, they care about the US. You just want the US pulled into Israel's war so we can be weakened. Unless you are Israeli, stop simping for Israel, you loser.
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinian Israel exists because it colonized Palestinian land. Settler colonialism isn't rught no matter which group does it.
Zionism is white supremacy!
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinian you and people like you will never recognize that this all started when Yiddish speaking European Jews where given 55% of historic Palestine, WHY WOULD ANY PALESTINIAN ACCEPT THAT, you are incredibly IGNORANT and RIDICULOUS.
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinianyes we care about Palestinians because they are part of our human society. They are human beings who deserve dignity, freedom, equality and a sovereign country. We will care about these occupied people whom you always want to see under subjugation.
The host is saying if he was a Palestinian who was pulling his family out of the rubble, he would vote for the end of the state of Israel in a fully democratic state. Where is the complexity then? Or are we just going to brush over the fact Palestinians have been getting killed before and after October 7th. There is a reason the attack on that date happened.
Doesn't matter. Nothing can justify October 7th.
@@8isthis whataboutism is absolutely tone deaf and the entire problem with this situation.
@@8is ok I can understand nothing justifying October 7 but why is October justifying what happens after October 7
@@thenoblesavage I'm saying the exact opposite of whataboutism. There is no context that has any relevance whatsoever to October 7th since nothing could ever justify it. There is only, and only one, conclusion that can be made.
News also forgets what happened before Oct.7th. They only think of Oct.7th and thereafter, never before.
"It matters that Jews are indigenous to the area." Most of the Jews who live there had grandparents who immigrated from Europe and live on land taken from Palestinian families who lived there for hundreds of years.
No, the Jews that live there were there long before the word Palestine even existed when many were forcibly removed by the Romans.
If you want to play 'who was there first', you won't win.
Just like many Palestinians, Jews were historically expelled from the Middle East - which is why there were large Jewish populations in Europe. To argue that the Jews are not indigenous to the area requires you to set a completely arbitrary threshold for how long you have to have been present in an area. Most people claiming to be Palestinian were not born in Palestine - following your argument, I could just as easily argue that these people are not indigenous either. Obviously they are, and so are the Jews.
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinian You could argue whatever you like, you'd be a fool but you could if you wanted to.
The reality is that there is essentially zero connection between Ashkenazi jews and the ancient jewish kingdom, who are much more closely related to Palestinians who simply converted over time in large part . its entirely mythical.
Isrealis are majority European settler-colonists and always proudly claimed to be, its not a complicated issue.
same way the majority of Christians are not descended from the first Christians or Muslims from the first muslims, people converted over time, the idea that Judaism is not a prostyltizing religion was a fairly recent idea and adaptation.
@@chriss780 Ashkenazi Jews are predominantly of European ancestry but it's not true to say there's essentially "zero connection". Most of them still descend in part from ancient Jews who migrated to Europe, as do Mizrahis and other subgroups.
I will say though that even if Ashkenazi Jews can claim indigenous heritage to modern-day Palestine, that doesn't mean I support Zionism. I'm not a fan of ethnostates.
To add to your point, Palestinians have been living in Palestine even longer than hundreds of years. You can trace back specific Palestinian towns that have existed in the 20th century for more than 1,000 years. For example, the town of al-Lajjun (whose inhabitants were expelled in 1948, and the town was subsequently destroyed) can be traced back to chroniclers traveling there in 985. That's just one town that had a population of a few thousand Palestinians in a 1945 census.
"The First Genocide in History Where its Victims Are Broadcasting Their Own Destruction in Real Time in The Desperate, So Far Vain Hope That The World Might Do Something," --Lawyer for South African GV At The International Court of Justice in January
Not a genocide
Man, they get aid, polio shots, food and a chance to negotiate a surrender from the people supposedly engaged in genocide. I guess the herrero victims or the armenian victims of genocide would have loved that. Weird that egypt had its border closed so long while appearently they were genociding palestinians. Did they not care?
Words have 0 weight or meaning anymore. This being considered a genocide is a joke
Anne Frank
@@ffershchhusd Sorry, the international community of 100+ nations who recognize Palestinian sovereignty and Holocaust scholars who coined the term "genocide" beg to differ. There is no definition you can mention that excludes 40,000+ civilians being bombed.
Sorry but the host here is missing some major things. First off when you say Israel “as a Jewish state” you are saying “Israel as a Jewish ethnostate”, we have long agreed that ethnostates are bad because it almost requires that you be oppressive because you have to maintain your demographic majority, which then by definition makes you NOT a democracy. Secondly, polls of the opinions of Palestinians have been taken over and over and it shows the same thing, support for peace is high when Israel isn’t extolling violence on Gaza and the Palestinian people as a whole but when they are, support for Hamas and their actions shoots up so yea the majority of Palestinians do want to live in peace with the people of Israel but they, understandably, become more supportive of violence when the other side is doing the same to them.
"we have long agreed that ethnostates are bad because it almost requires that you be oppressive because you have to maintain your demographic majority, which then by definition makes you NOT a democracy"
You mean like Palestine, and practically every other Arab country?
"Secondly, polls of the opinions of Palestinians have been taken over and over and it shows the same thing, support for peace is high when Israel isn’t extolling on Gaza and the Palestinian people as a whole"
Interesting how the Israelis have repeatedly agreed to a two-state solution (e.g. the Camp David Accords), yet the Palestinians never have?
Although your points are 100% accurate and fairly articulated, you may be missing the _Bigger_ lesson of *Human Behavior.* Us Humans do not live in, nor share a common reality - speaking about the Universal Human Group here. Us Humans live only to survive as this is the prime directive of our beings. Thus there can be no peaceful compromise between sub-groups of humans in survival conflict. Even the definition of survival is vague and abstract depending on the cultural values of the sub-groups. There can be no hope for modifying our barbaric behavior. Its just who we are, and will always be.
@@サンゴ礁ScleractinianYou need to study the history of the region
"Never let a man imagine that he can pursue a good end by evil means, without sinning against his own soul. The evil effect on himself is certain."
- Robert Southey
The clarity he has goes beyond his professional knowledge, it's all his human experience. It's beautiful to hear someone able and decided to be clear because he actually understand.
My question to the host is "Why are so afraid to see the truth?"
Because ignorance is bliss.
Probably because his wages are tied to not openly speaking the truth. He knows the truth, as he knows his own child, and every child he sees everyday and night slaughtered by the GOF on his smart phone.
I applaud both for actually having a conversation about this topic.
Incredible how he's being treated like a revolutionary thinker when activists and historians have been saying this for decades 😂
The host is so intellectually dishonest and doing all sorts of mental back flips.
If you're for an apartheid state just own up to it stop sneaking about and making dishonest inconsistent arguments
just ask yourself why october 7 th hapend it will remove all of your doubts and be fare about it
Yup, yup. As I watch our State Department briefings regarding Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, etc I’m kind of mystified when a lot of “security of Israel” is all about Israel and the U.S. advocating/deciding what is “safe” enough for them, who will or won’t be allowed to be in the government, rather than also seeing the Palestinians as an oppressed people, but by-Israel. Both sides have suffered but Israel has our full support, but Palestinians don’t. It feels like there is no one to advocate for them. Nor has the United Nations any power because the US is always intervening on behalf of the Israeli government system, which helps no one, and keeps the system of supremacy by Israelis intact. They never admit the inequality especially in light of our history . Why isn’t Palestinian security automatically considered also? It’s shocking and not so shocking to see that it is so clear, that Palestinians are left out of the conversation and not regarded as suffering continually by the system that the “supremacist” power dominates. That it will be Israel to decide what is, and isn’t safe enough. Yet, no mention is given as to what is safe for Palestinians in regard to their oppression by Israel. They aren’t treated in an equal way/role, almost as if the internal ingrained biases our country holds, are completely clouding the ability to see the other side - that these people have been oppressed for decades by the people they wholeheartedly support. The U.S. government turns a blind.
I appreciate the comment, ‘you cannot occupy a people without visiting cruelty upon them.’ Powerful!!!
Everyone forgets that Judaism is not a race. It is a religion that was invented between 1200-400 BCE. There are people who adhere to that faith from Eastern Europe to the Americas, to Ethiopia, Yemen and India. It is not a race, and hence the believers are not indigenous to any stretch of land.
Fwiw, I did live in Israel for three years, I left because of the virulent racism on the part of the colonial regime that occupies the land. I also could not stand the flagrant apartheid on display. That state is rogue.
I'm with Mr Coates on this, except on one count: It is devastatingly simple. It's not even close to being complex. Lastly, it is not the suffering of the Palestinians that was most jarring for me. It's the fact that I was having brunch on a Saturday in Tel Aviv, business as usual, while Gaza was being invaded, bulldozed, and bombed in 2007 and 2008.
October 7th was a horrible incident, but let's not forget it is the result of 80 years of oppression, land theft, and apartheid.
Judaism does have ethnic traits to it. Mizrahi Jews for instance are different from Ashkenazi Jews, who are different from Sephardic Jews. All differences based on ethnicity, thing is these terms were coined largely BY ISRAEL. Meaning the ethnic diversity given to Judaism is only a figment of imagination coined by an apartheid state wishing to come up with parameters by which they can oppress Arab Jews without a care in the world
?? Bro. You can literlly do a DNA test to see if someone is jewish lol. How is that not a race & ethnic group?
Jews a race and they certainly aren’t white
Interesting thoughts and reminders, thank you for sharing!
I think reducing Judaism to just a faith can be problematic. It's the same kind of simplification that allows Islamophobes to get away with their racism and bigtory by pointing to the notion that they're merely critisizing a faith. That said, there's a powerful case to be made that Israel has created a unique new definition for Judaism that stands apart from both the faith and any ethnicity. When examined, this identity is an imagined hypernationalistic or hypermilitaristic one whose focus is extreme tribalistic loyalty to what's ultimately just a modern nation state. It readily throws both a faith-based and an ethnicity based Jewish identity under the bus if it doesn't suit its tribalistic or nationalistic purposes. We can see this merely examining how it defines Jewishness for aliyah purposes, selectively picking or rejecting elements from both the faith based and the lineage based criteria. It'll bypass the religious criteria for religious practice in favor of a lineage based one and visa versa so all that matters in the end is a sort of... 'Israeliness' instead.
Why is Sean so conflicted about going and seeing the situation first hand?
It's like he is afraid he will go and see the truth about the oppression of the Palestinians and will then feel a moral obligation to address it.
What moral cowardice.
Do you eat meat? :) Just curious. Moral cowardice is easy to denounce when it ain't your own.
@@justin___ actually no, I haven’t eaten meat in almost 26 years.
@@Base612 Awesome. No notes. :)
@@justin___ I somehow think there is a slight difference between ethnically cleansing 80% of an indigenous population, occupying land, forcing the indigenous population to navigate checkpoints, arbitrary raids and arrests, apartheid, an open air prison, a genocide and eating meat.
suuuuper powerful stuff from Coates...
The host is the reason why the world is a bad place
Bo ho , "i havent opined on this issue" they have no way of reaponding to Ta. Yet they just want to say its complicated.
Dude wants to compare the occupation and nakba since 1948 commited till today by a UN recognised country with no sanctions to an event that lasted 24 hours by a terrorist group.
It's funny to see how some Americans think, that their cultural specifics somehow translate around the world no matter what.
Thank you for pointing this important point out
The crys of mutilated childern, screaming out for their murdered parents, as what's left of their limbs are being amputated without anesthesia will haunt me for the rest of my days.
We have left humanity, and mammalia. We have become a virus. Non-thinking, non-feeling cluster that destroys all living things in its path.
Sean should go there and see it firsthand. Sign up to go with orgs that bring people to the West Bank to live with Palestinians and see what they go through.
This started back in Nov, 2nd 1917 with the Belfore Declaration not Oct 7th , when in 67 words, the original inhabitants, Palestinians, were reduced to “non Jewish residents.” A clear colonial setter ideology followed to create what is Israel now. One only have to look at their educational system from early childhood to see it clearly as a colonial settler from birth. Greatly appreciate Professor Coats for his humanistic works. Sadly, the control over our government by Pro Israel lobbies and the influence of billionaire on the media and higher education kept us in the dark. Professor Coats is one of those lights that shines to teach all of us. Keep going.
Yes it was absolutely heavily influenced and indirectly caused by the British elites from the UK. They were and still are part of the reasons that part of the middle east is a powder keg
2:30 "Jews are also indigenous in that land, and have nowhere else to go". WOW!?!?!?
So they do have somewhere else to go?
@@JamesR1986 Ashkenazi Jews, who make up approximately half of the Israeli population, date their ancestry back to Central Europe, not West Asia. You'd be thinking of Mizrahi Jews, who Israel has also oppressed via policies like those that forcibly sterilized North African Mizrahi Jews.
@@mars7304 what happened in europe in the 20th century...
Jews come from Judea, unlike Arabs who come from Arabia and in the last 400 years have colonized many parts of the Middle East and Northern Africa
@@JamesR1986 Yes! Obviously, yes! There are plenty of countries in Europe and North American where Jewish people can live in safety, where they aren't constantly being bombed by antisemitic neighbours. This PTSD from WW2 is utterly irrational.
Ta-Nehisi coates is a Tiger
I mean he should go but the lack of moral clarity with apartheid and genocide is wild
FREE PALESTINE!!
This dude has stacked random books on his desk to appear smart...
Nah, it just makes the background more interesting.
What an astute observation that adds any validity to the conversation. Do you obsess over the backgrounds of all videos grandma?
sean illing: xyz is terrible and inexcusable…. but
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They want to keep having Ta on till they find a way to discredit him.
This video needed a bit of an intro... I'm 4 minutes in and only now I'm realising what they're talking about...
Did you not read the title
@@mars7304 I did, but who's this guy? What book did he write? What's his context for comparing the Jim Crow south to Palestine? Why should I listen to what he's saying and what are his credentials? A little bit of context goes a long way...
It's about why Coates isn't allowed to legally be around children.
@@joebloe923 please provide evidence as I see nothing online about this.
@@EduPimentel If you're unfamiliar with a man that's been getting media tours since the Obama presidency (he's Obama's favorite author), that's on you bud. If you need every guest introduced to you like you're unfamiliar with using Google, idk how you live in the world day to day.
To say it's complicated is a cop-out. To say slavery and other forms of oppression are complicated is the biggest copout. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free..
@15:50 I don't think it is just about going there to see it. People justify what Israel does because they claim if the Jews who live there don't do what they are doing then the Holocaust will be revisited on them. For me, it is about the fact that they have been engaging in crimes since the beginning, and their victimhood is always the justification...the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the murders of US soldiers on USS Liberty, the Nakba, the destruction of Palestinian libraries and hiding their historical texts and artefacts...all of these historical moments smack of decades of cruelty, evil and neo-colonialism. This isn't new, it is just that ppl are talking about it now! Knowing the history is part of it.
When the oppressors whom historically has oppressed tell those whom are oppressed what they should feel and think because of their historical oppression, make it make sense!
Before you go read as much as you can about the history of the conflict. Read Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pape, Noura Erakat, Rashid Khalidi, Marc Lamont Hill's and other scholars who have written books and who are all over RUclips with interviews regarding the history and the context of the conflict.
You don’t want to SEE the truth, because then you’ll have to TELL the truth, and then be challenged by powerful people who can harm you.
This reminded me a little bit of Paul Weiss and James Baldwin, the only difference, of course, is that Sean Illing has better manners.
Vox is keeping up with good journalism. Come on Sean! go there and see
Look at the numbers bro your conflicting "feelings" don't matter
The way Sean sighs is the same way west siders in L.A. react when dealing with discovering there's a wider world beyond their privilege but not wanting to face it lol
Min 4 to 6 on looking back and seeing how ppl back then thought bad things were unclear... but it was their wrong
Is it just me or did this video cut off short?
I think there must be a full podcast that delves into other topics alongside this one.
I'd also really appreciate if Sean would show evidence via the research that a significant number of Palestinians supported/still support what happened on Oct. 7th.
It is like saying if you do not have seen aliens you cannot say you cannot imagine how aliens are. What do you think about how we can cry from movies? If we do not see suffering in palenstein we cannot understand the suffering? So we need to make gaza a funfair?
Ta-Nehisi Coates is the best guest to have ❤
This is a weird set-up, like you've not even introduced the guest? Not welcomed the audience in? No intro. You just drop in part way through a conversation. Very jarring.
Calm down 🙄
It is a clip from a podcast.
@@fadethechannel what a boring lazy reply.
@@realchoodle which could have very easily been edited.
More complaining about Israel committing genocide and less about petty stuff no one cares about
Undoubtedly many would be afraid to go to Israel/Gaza/West Bank--due to the fear of what they might see--THE TRUTH. Who better than Mandela, Bishop Tutu-men who visited Israel and lived under Apartheid throughout most of their lives said ,what they witnessed is worse than Apartheid.
Dude spends 17 minutes slowly realizing that The Gray Area is a terrible name for his show
Coates taking on more bad faith interviews with class and ease
do they usually upload videos of the pod? first time seeing this. nice
I hope the the interviewer paid TNC a tuition fee because he was clueless at the beginning of the interview.
3:11 What if the state only executes criminals who are CONFIRMED perpetrators! Will that be OK with you?
the discussion about you going is straight up man, you started by saying 10:27 `if I'm being honest, and I think if I went there, like you, and saw the suffering first hand, all of this would feel a lot less abstract, it would hit differently` and then went on to backstep. You know you gotta go man, you got a paid trip, you gotta take it. Banksy's Walled Off Hotel bunkers room was not expensive, their tour guide Marwan has a great humanity about the way he educates as you walk through the streets, sit down and meet neighbors. The museum has a very pragmatic, honest and yet not hopeless history into the now and with hope for the futures. Green Olive tours around Gaza as well, really great people on both sides who want peace they just aren't in the spotlight. Combatants for Peace, Rabbis for Human Rights even WWOOF is operating in Palestine!! (Thats what I gotta do next time^^). Honestly, the feeling you'll leave with will be more fire inside of what you as a free person can really and ought to really be doing. We all have a purpose and listening with our hearts is the foundation where we can always find our way back to that path we all stray from. Empathy is the key.
wow........a must listen
I wouldn't compare it to the Jim Crow south, Probably Apartheid South Africa
They use the word Apartheid, and the use of that word automatically compares it to South Africa. It's an Afrikaans word.
He's using Jim Crow South because that is something he can directly relate to.
Apartheid? Jim Crow? Yes, because there are people living alongside each other who are prevented from accessing the same facilities 🙄
Desmond Tutu said what he saw was worse than apartheid, and that was when the situation wasn’t nearly as bad as it is now
@@billusher2265 Yeah Desmond Tutu, the same Desmond Tutu who said Gas chambers were a nicer death than apartheid? Are we trusting his judgement?
Aparthied is aparthied. Accusing Ta-Nehisi Coates of not understanding complexity is simple-minded.
ah that's what sean illing looks like!
That why you go!
'Europeans are indigenous to the middle east' .....
Sure why not. How about Africa and asia too. Go for it own it all -_-
The Jewish people in Europe originated from Israel. That goes back to very ancient times.
@X2LR8
Many African and asians also.
Whats your source for this ancient time ?
(You won't want to answer)
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Although I dont necessarily disagree with thee premise Ta-Nehisi is providing, the thing is when Palestinian voices are reached there is an extreme lack of nuance, contextually, with what has happened in the region. Same goes for the Israeli side. All that is being fed to the masses are radical Hamas supporting rhetoric, or radical Israeli defence of occupation. Its a game of extremes atp. And just going to Israel wont give you that balance alone, if anything it would strengthen your conviction on the issue (which is a lose lose if you are already radical in thought)
It's not a game of extremes, it's actual political analysis of the power dynamics in the region historically, vs what people think they understand because they watch mainstream news outlets cover a conflict halfway across the world.
Israel is literally the most important US ally, do you not think maybe calling all pro Palestinian coverage "radical Hamas supporting rhetoric" is a little disingenuous? Hamas is one group out of several that Israel has negotiated with over the years. Netanyahu himself has admitted in cabinet meetings that keeping Hamas in power is beneficial for the Likud party to maintain a hold in Israel, as their threat to Israel destabilizes other groups in the region and gives them CONSTANT permission to "strike back".
What makes it okay in Rydah?
This dude is real white
This is just stealing the concept of “the grey zone”
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No one has called him a liar.
Oh the Israelis definitely have
@@oscarpistorius3710 did they point out a specific lie in The Message?
Cool
I think the comparison shouldn't be made.
Everyone should take Ta-Nehisi Coates's advice and go and see what the apartheid is like in Israel.
I think he should go.
Walk in the shoes of a Palestinian
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Yahya Ibrahim Hassan Sinwar!
4 views 12 seconds... man vox fell off
No but then actually did
This is a clip from a much longer podcast.
Indignation is not air defense. Cool story bro
Palestine will live on. The movement continues. The Western world's tireless agitation of Islam and Arabs also continues.
As white voters, we should know that -- as a bloc -- we have not backed the Democrat for President since 1964 bc LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
Not once.
That's because not all of us white people are from the same place. As for myself, I'm a Hebrew. I'm white as blubber, and I have no Shame in putting my trust in Trump. ❤
Yea we know ... ,👀...
Why would've we? Especially black people shouldn't have voted for democrats even in the 90's, def not obama. Dems are the most covert racists there are. They are the ones who think and even say that minorities can't do what whites can 😄
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Ta-Nehisi you’re a brilliant thought leader. As cliche as that sounds.
Race baiting grifter more like
10 days somehow makes him an expert? Get this conflict tourist out of here.
He probably knows more than you. How about you go?
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@@Eudaimonia7564I agree with you .
I see u mossad
Race baiting grifter who's falling out spotlight since people don't care about blm or st. george floyd anymore... needs something relevant to make bank...
Worth listening to Ezra Klein's longer interview with this guy - really shows up how shallow his knowledge of israel/Palestine is. He openly admits he went with a conclusion already in his mind & only talked to one side.
Ezra also admits he saw the same things that Coates writes and speaks about, idk why you're making it seem like he is simply shallow when Klein also regards his experience as factual.
@@CalderDaddy he doesn't know any context, he was there for a week.
Sure you'll have a lot of empathy for one side if that's the only side you've seen
@@jrisner6535 and Ezra agrees why then? Where's your context?
@@jrisner6535 You sure sound like you have tremendous amounts of empathy for others champ, lol
What profound insight. Preach!
But you can’t ignore Islamic Republic’s imperialism either. 10/7 was Iran attacking Israel. Hamas and the Islamic Republic martyr Gazans. There is no good side in this. But the Islamic republic is worse.
Lol the "Islamic Republic" has only gained power in the region thanks to the US, USSR, and Israel arming radical rebel groups to overthrow the existing governments. Iran was progressive before the US overthrew Mossadegh. Maybe Israel wouldn't have so many enemies if it wasn't literally formed as an act of violence against Arabs.
This man is a fraud 😂
Baseless
Are you just engaging in libel or do you have any sort of evidence?
And so are you, you troll
👆🏾This opinion is worthless.🤣
The final boss of race baiting
Who is this animal
Exactly. Just because this man is black the media won't call out people like him...
Oh yeah black people are never called out in media @@Mehhu.
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"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."
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@JamalW239 i guess calling everyone antisemitic isn't race baiting.
Want peace for palestine, stand against hamas
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@@nataliekhanyola5669 I am Scottish
Repent the Kingdom is near.
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Vox used to do great videos with animation and journalism, not this podcast type of stuff. Seems like trying to push more political stuff the last year
Did you just accuse Vox of “becoming” political? Its a news outlet, they cover politics
@@generalguide5888 It might be to complicated for him.
Why do you invite a guy with antisemitic and racist views?!
☝️ baseless hasbara accusations designed to smear and discredit the author
He's not antisemitic. He's Anti-Zionism and Anti-genocide.
@@igorbanse1382 What is antisemitic and racist about saying either apartheid is right or its wrong?
@@foreveravatar5874 there is no apartheid
@@igorbanse1382ok buddy 😂
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I don't really blame people who panic. Lack of
information can be a big hurdle. I've been
making more than $100k passively by just
investing through an advisor, and I don't have
to do much work. Inflation or no inflation, my
finances remain secure. So I really don't blame
people who panic.
Without a doubt! Ruth Ann Tsakonas is a trader who goes above and beyond. she has an exceptional skill for analyzing market movements and spotting profitable opportunities. Her strategies are meticulously crafted based on thorough research and years of practical experience.
nice! once you hit a big milestone, the next comes easier.. How can i reach her, if you don't mind me asking?
Vox has the GALL to bring this grifter on? lol What a joke.
What makes him a grifter?
@@MSLILLY4533 He grifts, pretty easy answer... race baiting grifter
Another red headed stepchild that's suffered brain damage from childhood abuse.
We got to do something to make them take care of their children.
Sad.
@@MSLILLY4533 you'll never get any answers from these people, they use buzzwords to make themselves sound smart