So interesting and informative to hear an African American and a Jewish American converse so openly and intelligently about their cultures and our current reality. Great interview. 🙏
Yes, it's a beautiful thing! That's the America I'm accustomed to. My 86 year old [BLACK] mother worked for a married Jewish [doctor and lawyer] husband and wife for over 40 years. The best people I've met.
Coates does not come from the Black church, but a secular tradition which remembers better the and is better at dialog with Jews. Brother West is a Christian. exception because he’s read everything. I’d say the amount of anti-semitism in the Black church, as shown against Bernie Sanders is about the same rate as more elderly than boomer Jews and racist Jews. Sadly, Jewish racism against Arabs and Blacks exists, but mostly died out with this Gen Xer’s grandmother.
@@TheKhalientethe thing is that these long form cultural interviews aren't particularly mainstream, from my perspective, unless we go to this comedy show. Honestly, I am very ignorant about where to go to find more constructive interviews between intelligent hosts and intelligent guests, but it seems that most big networks don't do that. Those that might, like news stations, don't seem to have time for longer interviews like this outside of programs like 60 Minutes, and are held to higher standards than Comedy Central, where you can just talk, swear, and have hard conversations like everyday people. If you know what other programs have conversations like this one, please inform me if you have the time.
Oh man, I cried watching this. Never in a million years did I think I would ever see this being discussed like this where Palestinians are considered human
Had to come watch this interview to cleanse my palette after watching that monstrosity of an interview with Coates on CBS. Jon Stewart a comedic class act as usual👏And I can’t wait to read Coates’ book
I don’t know about the CBS interview, but I listened to him being interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR today (well, it was taped on Thursday, but broadcasted today). I suggest you look it up as I was very moved and enlightened.
I love the "your oppression will not save you" component. Victimhood doesn't equal virtue, very insightful and yet validated the humiliation. So important.
You do realize that Ta-Nehisi said that he “felt nothing” while watching 9/11 happen because of “white supremacy” right? And you’re all gloating over him?
Just heard him being interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR this afternoon and I was blown away! In fact, I sat in my car for 20 minutes to hear the whole thing. What a teacher. What a father. What a human being. What an American treasure.
It was such a great interview with Terry. I especially enjoyed the Shakespeare portion. I sooo would have loved to learn about challenges writings like those through someone like him.
It's a complex issue. Even for journalists. They're not infallible... they're human. At least they wanted to give him a platform. I feel like Jon just addressed it with him differently. Anyway... I agreed with what Jon said about "Never Again... For Anyone." Peace.
@@mideastgirl8926 This is the most impressive effort to work around YT's comment deletion algorithm I've seen on YT so far. I commend your comment, and I commend your ingenuity. Love the snark too--best way to rustle the... lizard skin of these trolls.
I find it fascinating how some people respond to trauma with "I hurt so now I'm going to devote my life to preventing hurt and helping others overcome their own" whereas others respond with "I hurt so now everybody needs to hurt." I wonder what factors lead to each response.
He's just projecting racial problems in America onto a region with completely different dynamics. He was in Israel for less than two weeks and knows nothing about it. Shame on Jon for apolozing for Israel.
@@michaelsigman8942 he doesn’t have Black peoples. As he is silent about Sudan. And tries to equate the violent Palestinians to the nonviolent civil rights movements with MLK. As if Black ppl deserved mistreatment bc they acted as vengeful as the Palestinians. When they never lifted a finger even after being released from slavery. It’s disgraceful. And the ancestors he keeps referencing were not friends with Arabs or Palestinians.
The Daily Show and Comedy Central are so far ahead of where the rest of mainstream media should be that it's beyond embarrassing. This is exactly the kind of conversation that almost everyone wants to watch. These are the kinds of conversations that our world needs in order to work through the issues we are dealing with. And then you tune in to CNN, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, etc. and it's a joke. They are just spinning their wheels worried about ratings and ad sales; instead of fostering conversations that matter.
I've been watching and reading this same conversation for twenty years. They literally say nothing here I haven't seen, heard, or read multiple times. Ta nehisi Coates is a bit of a snake oil salesman if you ask me. He's made a living off talking about this stuff. Never trust people with that fake laugh man lol.
@@Nyyankee718I think Palestinians have the right to resist their occupation. Saying that they “brought on themselves” is merely a way of downplaying the barbarity of Israel’s response. Israel is an occupier in Gaza, like Russia in Ukraine. If we can have moral clarity on the latter, we can also have clarity on the former.
@@Nyyankee718According to UN data, 5,365 Palestinians were killed in Gaza between 2006 and 10/7/23, so to say that the assault on Gaza was “trauma brought on by themselves” is disingenuous, and does not explain the ongoing apartheid, displacement, violent pogroms in the West Bank that have ramped up in recent months. Your rhetoric sounds terrifyingly similar to those who enabled the Nazis before and during WWII. Never again means never again for all of humankind.
@@kittybus yes causalities from wars they started. Since September 2000, Palestinian terrorist attacks have claimed at least 1,456 Israeli lives before october 7. palestinian arabs have been killing jews in the land decades before even the state of israel even existed. like the hebron massacre of 1929 when dozens of jews were killed
I just watched Coates on MSNBC where he host was talking to him after the CBS interview. And the host shared some really racist reviews that have been written about his book. Coates responded that they are doing exactly what he wrote about. Then I came here because I thought if the book was anti-isreal Stewart would call Coates out. All I can say after watching this interview is wow, his book sounds amazing and raw, and what we need right now! I ordered it before I finished this interview! Thank you John Stewart for being willing to have open and honest conversation about something so personal and so painful.
Johns hatred for white people is strong enough to look away from the Israel critique Aslong as Coates blames whites for everything John will support him
As an Irish man I rage how could we have allowed the Famine here in 1847, there was load of food but we Irish were enslaved people living on one crop Potatoes. When you are hungry you are weak, when you see your children die you feel hopeless. I feel for the people of Gaza
a Palestinian mother said, hunger takes away the bodies of children first, they cannot handle it the way we can. As an Arab I'm trying to fast 2 days a week just to remember that pain.
This is what I mean when I say oppression of any group of people will cause an uprising....a change for the better or WORSE. Trying to annihilate is inhumane.
No he is not. He is so silent on Sudan while trying to burn bridges btw communities who have been friends for generations. He can go kick rocks in Palestine- they don’t care about Black ppl and since they love being violent, they can solve their own problems. MLK never did and never would.
I have new-found respect for Jon Stewart’s honesty and humanity in addressing this sensitive and very important world topic. His Jewish ethnicity did not blind his ability to see and call the truth for what it is, without fear of selling out his faith. I recommend this interview to everyone. It was emotionally and intellectually moving. There may yet be a way out of this hotbed of problems.
You do realize that Ta-Nehisi said that he “felt nothing” while watching 9/11 happen because of “white supremacy” right? And you’re all gloating over him?
Sane bc Muslims aren’t involved? Black ppl will continue to mind their business about these violently predisposed Palestinians. The author doesn’t speak for Black ppl
Dont take it personally.... it will not measure up to the burden of the Palestinians... Tears flowed. I got chills. How selfless and beautiful. This GUY!!! WOW. What a beautiful human. Thank you so much for this interview. ❤
@@cosmosaic8117 THANK YOU! People like Jon Stewart, who changed his last name from Leibowitz, are no example of what kind of lives J3wish people can live with dignity and without fear of displaying their heritage.
The beauty of this interview is not so much that they can speak so eloquently and with so much humanity (and humor at times) about such challenging topic, but also that they are actually listening to one another. Their perspectives allow them to ponder and learn from each other instead of being stuck in heavily ideologized and polarizing talking points. We need more informative, independent journalism and more constructive conversations and debates in all our media outlets. Funny that we have to find this rare example in a comedy show. Well done
Now this is how to have an interview where interest in the WORK is explored. Rather than to attempt to pin someone down and thingify a person because his point of view differs from your own. CBS left a bitter taste in my mouth. I’m glad I found this interview.
CBS again proves itself as a relic of the past and mouthpiece for a dying empire. This is what a real, human discussion looks like. Kudos to Jon Stewart for respectfully allowing Ta-Nahesi Coates to speak. Can’t wait to read his book.
“The humiliation of oppression “ is the perfect phrase for how I felt as a working class woman. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t get that foot off my neck to lift my head up. It is demoralizing, depressing and demeaning. Only now, living on SSDI in my little car, do I feel a dignity in my life, because I no longer have to dampen my spirit to appease others in order to survive. Basic universal income would be beneficial for everyone’s mental health and allow ALL people to live a dignified life.
I hear this and it simply underlines how thirsty I've become for integrity. The simple process of people taking the time to hear each other in an exchange. Two people working to delve into complex human issues with integrity. Lovely and inspiring.
When one side can have guns and not use them while the other side can’t be trusted with them due to being terrorists at every single opportunity for 50+ years, that’s reality.
No it doesn’t. Palestinians fight w rocks and bombs and guns. Tell them to stop fighting so they can have peace. This author doesn’t speak for the Black community and needs to mind his atheist business or write about Sudan. Palestinians don’t care about Black ppl.
Unfortunately, one of the philosophical outcomes to those who are oppressed. Largely not the leaning of AAs, but the fictional Kilmonger comes to mind when I think of how ‘might makes right’ can be dangerous.
I think the lessons learned are more complex for Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors, which Jon Stewart isn't. There is both a personal and a universal interpretation of "Never again", and both have validity. When your own family lived through it (and ancestors died from it), the less universalistic meaning has more resonance. A lot of Jews learned the lesson that we will never be safe unless we control our own destiny, and that isn't possible in today's world without a state and a powerful military of our own. I don't understand why that lesson is so difficult for people to understand. I think it is important to take away the universal message of "Never again" as well, but both are very valid perspectives that are born out of historical experience.
@nazeemkadir1257 I don't at all. I think it is important that "Never again" have two meanings: one particular to Jews and one universal. Jews have very specific lessons take from the Holocaust, foremost that we can never again be reliant on anyone but ourselves to guarantee our own protection, which requires having our own state and a very strong army, regardless of what anyone else in the world thinks about it. The universal interpretation is that there is an international duty to prevent attempts to exterminate entire peoples. The world failed in that in Rwanda. I don't interpret "Never again" in the universal sense as being broad enough to require international intervention in other situations. But that's open to debate. As bad as wars and systems of oppression are in general, I don't see any situation rivaling the Holocaust (where the universal interpretation of Never again would apply) since other than Rwanda, and sadly the world did nothing there.
@@DavidLebscorrect. And Sudan. This Black atheist does not represent Black ppl and he has chosen to also stay silent on geno* in Sudan. Palestinians don’t care about Black ppl and celebrate violence, Black ppl never celebrated the harm of ppl in the US during Jim Crow. This is so ridiculous.
@@DavidLebs Gabor Mate and Norm Finkelstein are holocaust surviving jews who would strongly disagree with this assessment. "Never Again" being bastardized to mean "never again - even if it means putting other people through the same trauma we experienced" is horrific and should not be justified.
much, much more. It is so necessary that we communicate with depth of feeling in our overly oversexualized world of superficial aggrandizement. We need REAL...superficiality destroys the human spirit.
It's only difficult if you're invested in Zionism. For everyone else he answer is simple...Free Palestine. End the occupation. Return to pre 1967 borders. Two State Solution.
Rational ppl know how to have a conversation. It’s the Palestinians that go ape crazy like last October and can’t act civilized. This Black author does not speak for Black ppl, who know that Palestinians don’t care about them. Look at the Sudan.
@@josephinethornton3823 exactly! I really really felt something crucial needs to be explored - the shame and memory of oppression. It will honestly be a revelation to understand this, given that people are able to then turn it into such immense acts of kindness. The two men above, for example.
Jon Stewart never disappoints when it comes to his ability to curate humor and information in a palatable way for any curious mind… this was refreshing to watch.
Thank you for presenting this amazing man and for recognizing the trauma of Palestinians. As an American Jew, I believe that Ta Nishi Coates can reach audiences because of his sincerity, honesty and integrity.
JUST AS I BOUGHT AND READ "THE GENERALS' SON I WILL ALSO BUY THIS BOOK BECAUSE AS A CITIZEN OF THE USA THE MAIN $ ALLY I MUST SEE HOW IT MUST FEEL TO BE A MINORITY WITH LIMITED FREEDOM AND LIVE IN FEAR AS WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE EASTERN NEWS MEDIA ARE BANNED IN REPORTING OF Israel
Taneisha didn’t speak for the Black community, who struggled not because they were violent and celebrated violence but bc of skin color and hate. He is also so silent on Sudan which is happening as he runs his mouth about Muslim ppl who hate Black ppl.
wow. now. that is a conversation. between two people who have taken the time to try to come to grips with the human condition, within themselves and in the wider human world. grappling indeed. i wish to thank Mr Coates and Mr Stewart for allowing us to sit in on it.
Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s and atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
"you go through a horrific experience ... the holocaust … you [may] conclude that … what matters is who has the guns & who doesn't. i stand opposed to that, just on principle, period" at this point, i think he's either an anti-semite, or trying to act as some kind of bridge to those who believe that opposing white supremacy somehow legitimates anti-semitism
@@millrace32I think you missed his point. It's an old story. The persecuted decide the only way to escape violence in the future is to embrace violence as an option and to have the means to persecute others. My Dad explained a long time ago to me how this applied to the Puritans- fleeing British oppression they arrived in the New World and ultimately used violence to subjugate the indigenous. It isn't anti- Semitic to believe a Jewish community is no exception to this rule.
@@monicabeaston4996 i understand your story & your point, but he said what he said, which was different. &, if you dig a bit deeper, it's pretty clear coates has an embarrassingly bad take on the conflict
@@millrace32 I was pretty frustrated by the way these two framed discussion of the Middle Eastern conflict. Just to give one extremely trivial example: John mentions in passing that a Palestinian wasn't allowed to speak at the DNC. I find this sort of comment absurd. On a practical level it would be disastrous to have had heard from the Palestinian voice because at this time Democrats need to unify against Trump. We need to get out of what Michelle Obama brilliantly called the Goldilocks syndrome. That speaker would have risked jeopardizing the momentum of the positivity generated by the convention. Coates may assert that we must not be trapped by our history. I say: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Finally, you know who's the most effective at suppressing Palestinian voices? Not the US, not the news, not Israel. That's right: Hamas. Palestinians who try to support Israel do so at risk of death. Say what you will about media bias in the West. The nightly news isn't sending people to Gaza to drag bodies through the streets to terrify citizens into compliance.
Great interview. The first time I was made aware of the Palestinian situation was many years ago when Alice Walker tried to take supplies to Gaza and Israel wouldn't allow her group (feminist women) into Gaza. They were denied entry. It opened my eyes to how awful their lives were due to the policies of the Israeli govt.
This is such a stark difference to the open hostility in the CBS interview. Jon, as always, is thoughtful and compassionate. And that's what we could use a little more of in discussions of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Well, that and to stop sending them bombs to do warcrimes with.
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What an amazing discussion. Can you imagine if all talk shows and news interviews had this kind of dialogue and expansion of ideas? TDS and Stewart continues to be an oasis in a desert of media irresponsibility, fecklessness, and malfeasance.
The question of “has there ever been a better way of organizing than the nation-state?” is treated extensively in a book called the “Dawn of Everything” by David Graeber & David Wengrow. It looks at the historic evidence for other, more egalitarian and peaceful systems of human organization than what we have now. Native American political systems, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, Mayans, Minoans, and many others are discussed in terms of agrarian development, socio-political organization, and slavery. It turned a number of assumptions about the inevitability of top down rule on their head for me. Highly recommended and a worthy follow up to this conversation between Coates and Stewart.
Absolutely fantastic material; its hefty so if you can find the audio-book life would be easier but loved it so much I went out and got a copy! Graeber will remain an incalculable treasure!
I absolutely love this book! Jon & Coates here are talking as if cycles of violence are an inevitable human folly, but such large scale conflicts are actually very modern.
"Never again for anyone." Exactly. That is our calling. and to keep our hearts wide open, and to let our hearts break open over and over, to our own humanity -- precious and fragile -- and to the world.
This is the most earnest, interesting, and best political conversation I may have ever seen. These two are among my very favorites and I'm grateful that this conversation happened. I hope a lot of people watch and really digest it.
This is an incredible conversation. There's a level of introspection and emotional analysis that I honestly haven't seen discussed in a television interview on these issues, the kind where you walk away with a deeper understanding. These are two important voices in the world.
@@Musicalnotes9678 BTW, the same was/is said about the Blacks, Irish and even the Jues. People forget that the Z10nist groups Irgun and Haganah were recognized as t3rrorist groups by Western powers in the 1940’s until the establishment of Izrayl in 1948. After 1948, they became part of the military and intelligence of Izrayl, some became its prime ministers.
Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s an atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
It’s always interesting to see JS interview any guest…..but when he particularly respects a guest….his dynamic contribution to the interview is next level.
Really appreciate that Jon Stewart had such a conllex conversation with the depth of consideration the guest deserved. At the end though I was getting the sense that Jon was trying to insinuate that this issue of Palestine that Ta Nehisi had decided to try and tackle was so super complex and that 10,000 years of conflict was going to be difficult to resolve. I think that does a disservice to the issue that Ta Nehisi was tackling, because when you see a genocide taking place, it's not complex. There is a party perpetrating it, and there is a victim, and the perpetrator needs to be stopped. In the vein of Jon and Ta Nehisi's discussion, their victimhood doesn't give some kind of moral superiority to Palestinians, but it does put a moral wound on the Israeli colonialist project. The complexity of the last 10,000 years of Jewish history & conflict doesn't really come into play when a nation state is committing genocide in their name.
When you want thoughtful, in depth consideration of complex issues, you can't rely on the big networks to deliver, but somehow, here on basic cable, a comedian is getting it done. Thank you Jon and TDS. We would already be living in the post apocalypse if not for you. Because of you, we get to put that off for a few years at least.
@gr8dvd one of the CBS hosts literally implied Coates' beliefs are that of a radical islamist terrorist, and that he doesn't believe Israel should exist because he accurately points out Israel's treatment of the Palestinians
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. PERIOD.
Well thought enough to speak for his ppl in Sudan? No. He doesn’t speak for the Black community. Insight is realizing that the Jewish community has been a friend to Black ppl and the violent religion in the Middle East is the reason the Palestinians stay at war. You can articulate the humanity of what they did last October bc of some broken mosq windows. Absolutely vile!
Amazing interview! I am still teary-eyed about the discussion about humiliation. That resonates so much with me re: ancestral trauma and rejection. I am so looking forward to seeing Ta-Nehisi Coates at the Humanities Festival in Chicago in 2 weeks!
@@laurasabransky9450 he doesn’t speak for black ppl. He speaks for the violent Palestinians. What do you have to do w why they are at war since October?
Fair play & respect as ever to Jon Stewart regarding the calibre of guests he invites on & level of discourse he tries to foster especially on certain emotive issues. Even-handed with a strong moral compass. Strives to have understanding and empathy for the lived experiences of both Palestinians and Israeli Jews.
Just ordered this book from my local bookstore (always support local independent book sellers when you can) and it is SOLD OUT - the message is being delivered. People are reading. People are learning. Thoughts will change.
Black ppl and Jewish ppl have always gotten along, look at the author trying to burn bridges though. Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words in normal conversation but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s and atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
Wow! This isn’t a segment about a guy promoting his book. It’s a conversation about REAL issues between two very intelligent people who represent two different groups. EXCELLENT. I was mesmerized. SO refreshing. But sadly this falls into such a minority of “news” coverage. Why don’t we demand MORE like this?!
These two groups have always gotten along. That’s why he doesn’t speak for Black ppl. Who know to mind their business regarding Palestinians, who hate Black ppl and their neighbors in gazaaa
Because we dont want more. This isnt news this is a discussion but when actual news was a lost leader we had real journalist and reporters who sought the truth because the public demanded it. Now we seek confirmation for our darkest impulses...Trump lies,flip flops, shills, extorts and scapegoats, yet Kamala has to measure every word.
Great conversation! Can’t wait to read the book. One thing they seem to miss together is Indigenous knowledge. You don’t find zero-sum in Earth-based societies. When people say “land back” and let Indigenous folks lead, this is part of why. Otherwise we keep replicating trauma culture. Zero-sum is a trauma problem. How do we fix everything? Elevate, respect, honor Indigenous wisdom and throw the rest out. I know in my bones that it doesn’t need to be this way.
It was Jane Elliot's exercise in racism studies - blue eyed children and brown eyed children were treated differently; and taught people what racism is like. Jane Elliot is a national treasure and deserves the highest civilian US awards for service to the country - she's exposed and explained so much about the US and racism and right wing extremism and the fear of becoming a white minority. Please watch her videos!
In 2011 I sent Ms Elliott my 3 minute film Polar Reversal. This was her generous reply which she has kindly allowed me to use as an endorsement: Dear Alistair, Subtle, it's not, but thought-provoking, it is! I suspect that the reason people protest the darkness of the second child is our determination not to see dark skin in a positive light! If you'd only made her a little dark with some curly hair, your white audiences might be able to accept her blackness as ever being positive. Some of the citizens of this country are having a terrible time accepting President Obama's skin color. Imagine their anger if his skin were any darker! I also suspect that they have trouble imagining a scenario in which someone would want NOT to be WHITE! Unthinkable! Man, this is going to make peoples' head spin, as they try to reverse the images and their concepts of race and its implications! Thank you for doing this! After people look at this, the Eye-Color exercise is going to seem tame! Not non-threatening, mind you, but tame. Jane Elliott As you can imagine I am very proud of this.
What do you expect from an African American who witnessed this kind of discrimination????? Do you actually think we can turn a blind eye to something that was done to us?? We cannot!!! Bravo Mr. Coates!!
This is such a great conversation. Should have lasted for 4 hours! Its amazing, that these two, a black American and a Jewish American, talk about Palastinains as humans more than any other media did!
As a child protection social worker for 40 years, my colleagues would discuss how sustained trauma seemed to alter DNA within a family system. Extended periods of trauma seemed to become part of the multi-generational experience. Within the past few years it has been determined that the changes in DNA due to extended trauma are indeed passed down through the generations.
@@21972012145525 it is just theorised, there is no proof of it actually occuring, just theories. And i dont think epigenetics work like that, silencing parts of dna with some changes in folding of dna from trauma or some proteins produced from truama covering parts of dna . Not possible according to me. But again, we see some of the most unexplainable things happen in medicine which over gets solved
The epigenetic influence of trauma involves changes in gene expression caused by traumatic experiences, without altering the DNA sequence itself. These changes can be passed down to future generations, affecting their mental and physical health. Trauma-induced epigenetic modifications, such as DNA methylation, can impact stress response genes, leading to conditions like PTSD, depression, and anxiety12. Research shows that trauma can alter genes involved in the stress response, such as NR3C1 and FKBP5, potentially influencing brain development and function34. These findings suggest that trauma's effects can persist across generations through epigenetic mechanisms5. From AI genrated response.
This is what being human is, calling out injustice even if it means they will try to destroy you for speaking up for the truth. It takes one human at a time to bring awareness and stop oppression of any type. Thank you for your bravery.
Black Americans NEED to hear that part about “knowing how this happens”. Because authoritarianism and ethnostates are NEVER the answer to oppressions or histories of oppression.
@@SpeedkidThis is an unfortunate truth. I think about this every time someone says all we need to do is start our own this or create our own that as if we haven’t tried that a thousand times before. Coates’ mention of Liberia is a perfect example. We have to figure out how to beat the system that we’re in because there’s no way out.
@@kimiya777 as the kid of African immigrants, with all the love in my heart, I say black folks are too nice. When my ethnic group was being pogromed we shot back at everyone and tore the country apart. Right or wrong, the language of power is universal.
@@Speedkid yeah Jewish people literally created Israel because of the exact same reactionary rhetoric and sentiments. Black nationalism and black ethnostates will not save us. Separatism will not liberate us.
@@Speedkid which is why this amazing author said he completely understands why/how we got Israel. He sees what many other revolutionary black artists and activists have seen for centuries. The solution to our oppression and the path to our liberation will NOT be to listen to and agree with the racists and separate ourselves from them.
All it takes is a conversation...Sometimes the conversation is painful and complex, but having the conversation is the first step. Listening is a skill that is lost in the world today.
What an example of night and day. John Stewart once again shows how to do an interview on topics that are emotionally difficult to navigate. Hey CBS, take a lesson from this conversation. These two thoughtful people were able to dialog and navigate deep ethical waters and leave the viewers a real sense of intellectual sharing.
@@malaikamckee-culpepper261 Jewish ppl and Black ppl have always gotten along. It’s Palestinians who have a problem w them both and are the reason for their own “struggle”
I read "Between the World and Me" recently, and absolutely loved Ta-Nehisi's storytelling and perspectives. I am going to have to give this one a read as well!
Ta-Nehisi is one of the smartest people to walk on dry land. I can’t believe we live in a world where people call Jordan Peterson geniuses when Ta-Nehisi is still walking around!! This conversation should have been 2 more hours long!!
@@millrace32because he is incapable of viewing that or any conflict through a lens other than darker skinned oppressed and lighter skinned oppressor, even when it isn't even superficially accurate as a descriptor of skin tone let alone substantive reality.
Oh it matters, Ta-Nehesi, it matters. Reading The Case for Reparations started me on a course of reading that changed my life - and I like to think - the thinking of those I talk with.
Jon, you saved my sanity as you clowned through the Bush years. Yet, I am finding your serious discussions even more valuable and soul satisfying. thank you.
Such a deep conversation, I sense the desire to get in touch with our pure essence which unites us as human beings. How did we lose that unity, that shared pure essence that has no differences in boundaries, skin color, etc.
"Your oppression will NOT save you" is indeed a powerful message to the oppressors. Is it not true that the humiliation of the Germans post WW1 was in large part what fueled what came to be in 1930s and early 1940s Germany. I think humanity is trapped in a cycle of fear, anger, violence that degrade and humiliates the targets of the fear, anger, hate and resultant violence. There is the thread of retribution that is present in the Middle East and is there between the Hindus and Muslims in India too (and in the United States). A thread that is so tempting to pull but once we start, it begins to unravel all that we have built together.
Thank you so much Coates for being a human being. I think he's doing a great job bringing pure humanity into the conversation. However, we need more Palestinian voices in mainstream media. Interview the people living in Palestine directly.
Tell them to use their voices instead of committing or supporting violence. Black ppl and Palestinians are not friends and this author doesn’t speak for his community.
Just love Ta-Nahesi! ❤ He writes in a way that I can understand. Yeah, very nice of John to let him speak. I watched the way he was treated on CBS and I was stunned by the way they shut him down! A Professor like him! Wow. But John knows how to conduct a real conversation & treat his guests with respect.
I love this guest. He is articulate, very intelligent. Not that I get his message, I'm curious about his writing. And this is why we needed Jon Stewart back.
What an interview! This is a great example of two intellectuals having a meaningful conversation, trying to make sense of this complicated world. I wish Tony DiCaro and others who criticize Ta-Nehisi Coates would watch this-they might learn something from Jon Stewart. Jon has always been a class act, and thank you to Ta-Nehisi Coates for your bravery.
Even with Stewart there’s a shadow of something that sounds like slightly excusing or brushes over Israel’s actions. But he’s still infinitely more open and honest and intelligent than almost every other TV personality and it’s really refreshing
@@LalaJara-s4kThere absolutely has been suffering from tons of people on both sides of the conflict throughout time so there indeed is an equivalence.
It's hard as an American to understand that you are supporting modern day Apartaid. To think that you don't want another Holocaust but you don't want Apartaid. It's always the innocent and the masses that suffer the most. It's just hard. That's what I see. The desperation for solutions.
So interesting and informative to hear an African American and a Jewish American converse so openly and intelligently about their cultures and our current reality. Great interview. 🙏
Did you expect them to grunt at one another while discovering their thumbs?
Yes, it's a beautiful thing! That's the America I'm accustomed to.
My 86 year old [BLACK] mother worked for a married Jewish [doctor and lawyer] husband and wife for over 40 years. The best people I've met.
@@TheKhaliente😂😂😂😂😂
Coates does not come from the Black church, but a secular tradition which remembers better the and is better at dialog with Jews. Brother West is a Christian. exception because he’s read everything. I’d say the amount of anti-semitism in the Black church, as shown against Bernie Sanders is about the same rate as more elderly than boomer Jews and racist Jews. Sadly, Jewish racism against Arabs and Blacks exists, but mostly died out with this Gen Xer’s grandmother.
@@TheKhalientethe thing is that these long form cultural interviews aren't particularly mainstream, from my perspective, unless we go to this comedy show. Honestly, I am very ignorant about where to go to find more constructive interviews between intelligent hosts and intelligent guests, but it seems that most big networks don't do that. Those that might, like news stations, don't seem to have time for longer interviews like this outside of programs like 60 Minutes, and are held to higher standards than Comedy Central, where you can just talk, swear, and have hard conversations like everyday people. If you know what other programs have conversations like this one, please inform me if you have the time.
Oh man, I cried watching this. Never in a million years did I think I would ever see this being discussed like this where Palestinians are considered human
Two men driven by humanity rather than self interest
@@NN-cc6ddhumanity and the search for truth in a matrix of delusion 🤍🤎
My Dad had tears in his eyes when the Flag of Mississippi got rid of the " Stars and Bars of the Confederacy" he's 87 yrs old
@@tritondriver1What does that have to do with the conversation you are commenting beneath ?
@@GardenerGeorge it has everything to do with it.
Had to come watch this interview to cleanse my palette after watching that monstrosity of an interview with Coates on CBS. Jon Stewart a comedic class act as usual👏And I can’t wait to read Coates’ book
@willh8682 Same with me. I watched that bs on CBS and immediately wanted to know what the other interviews on his press run were like.
I don’t know about the CBS interview, but I listened to him being interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR today (well, it was taped on Thursday, but broadcasted today). I suggest you look it up as I was very moved and enlightened.
Great conversation!
CBS interview showed their lack of journalistic integrity
CBS interview put on display their lack of journalistic integrity
I love the "your oppression will not save you" component. Victimhood doesn't equal virtue, very insightful and yet validated the humiliation. So important.
The humiliation is on ppl who oppress. and this author doesn’t speak for black ppl so mind your business
Yes. Thank you for affirming this!
You do realize that Ta-Nehisi said that he “felt nothing” while watching 9/11 happen because of “white supremacy” right? And you’re all gloating over him?
This why we Palestinians fight back
@@Darksoil4555 We Stand With Israel ❤️
Just heard him being interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR this afternoon and I was blown away! In fact, I sat in my car for 20 minutes to hear the whole thing. What a teacher. What a father. What a human being. What an American treasure.
Read his books! :) Between the World and Me is the one I read a while back, I need to give it a re-think. And maybe get his new book!
It was such a great interview with Terry. I especially enjoyed the Shakespeare portion. I sooo would have loved to learn about challenges writings like those through someone like him.
What an dam dam you are.
Thnk you for your honest opinion 💯
@@noa-wu9sni feel sorry for you.
I loved it when Coates argued that what's HAPPENED BEFORE, DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
there are currently more slaves than any other time in history. 50m. according to the UN.
70% are women.
Yes!
I would love to agree with him but..,
EXACTLY
@@swizzy215it's ok my friend at least you agree that it's happening again
Thanks for not being CBS!
...oh, you saw that too?
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I thought the same thing. I saw the CBS Mornings interview, and they just didn’t get his book.
True, that interview was disgraceful
It's a complex issue. Even for journalists. They're not infallible... they're human. At least they wanted to give him a platform. I feel like Jon just addressed it with him differently. Anyway... I agreed with what Jon said about "Never Again... For Anyone." Peace.
Thank you for talking about the humiliation piece. 🙏🏽
"We have to guard against the temptation to accept that history is necessarily the limits of who we are..." - beautiful! 💯✨️🙏🏼
Yes ❤
Powerful
Very
Coates restores my faith in writers and my hope for humanity. Every time.
Yes💯
Ta-Nehisi, thank you for speaking up for the oppressed Palestinians 🇵🇸
Beep beep! Pagers for pallywood
@@Namaewa32 celebrating t r r r s m, huh?!
@@Namaewa32 🤮🤮🤮
@@mideastgirl8926 This is the most impressive effort to work around YT's comment deletion algorithm I've seen on YT so far. I commend your comment, and I commend your ingenuity. Love the snark too--best way to rustle the... lizard skin of these trolls.
The akbars are getting ala akbared 😂😂
I find it fascinating how some people respond to trauma with "I hurt so now I'm going to devote my life to preventing hurt and helping others overcome their own" whereas others respond with "I hurt so now everybody needs to hurt." I wonder what factors lead to each response.
Excellent question!
Excellent question! I’d venture to answer how one responds to the fear that the lack of a sense of security created from the trauma.
The state of Israel was superimposed on the surrounding cultures. Not supportable.
Access to power.
Money. Got plenty of money you'll be more understanding. You a broke fool u gonna make others pay.
I’m Jewish. Mr. Coates is a brilliant and sensitive mind. He has my profound respect.
He's just projecting racial problems in America onto a region with completely different dynamics. He was in Israel for less than two weeks and knows nothing about it. Shame on Jon for apolozing for Israel.
@@ericbaum228 Coates would likely have been even more outraged had he spent more time in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
@@handthala nah
@@michaelsigman8942 he doesn’t have Black peoples. As he is silent about Sudan. And tries to equate the violent Palestinians to the nonviolent civil rights movements with MLK. As if Black ppl deserved mistreatment bc they acted as vengeful as the Palestinians. When they never lifted a finger even after being released from slavery. It’s disgraceful. And the ancestors he keeps referencing were not friends with Arabs or Palestinians.
@@ericbaum228 you nailed it, absolutely correct.
To think that the most sincere and intelligent conversation I’ve seen on American television this year would be on a comedy show!
It’s funny how comedy can be used to talk about issues with some levity
Both are thoughtful dude!
This is America…
Seriously. Wow.
May Jon Stewart live forever 😊, so grateful he came back.
We Stand With Israel ❤
The Daily Show and Comedy Central are so far ahead of where the rest of mainstream media should be that it's beyond embarrassing. This is exactly the kind of conversation that almost everyone wants to watch. These are the kinds of conversations that our world needs in order to work through the issues we are dealing with. And then you tune in to CNN, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, etc. and it's a joke. They are just spinning their wheels worried about ratings and ad sales; instead of fostering conversations that matter.
I've been watching and reading this same conversation for twenty years. They literally say nothing here I haven't seen, heard, or read multiple times.
Ta nehisi Coates is a bit of a snake oil salesman if you ask me.
He's made a living off talking about this stuff.
Never trust people with that fake laugh man lol.
Any chance that in 2028 they could moderate a presidential debate? Please!!
The Daily Show, and Last Week Tonight, are doing the work that ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC has hired people trained in journalism to do, but don't.
@@1Bornconfused 1000% agree.
That's because they allow different voices, the producers may not even agree but they're true Liberals who champion freedom to a degree
Thank you for representing the voice of the Palestinian people. So much trauma and continued suffering they face and these conversations are so needed
@@Nyyankee718I think Palestinians have the right to resist their occupation. Saying that they “brought on themselves” is merely a way of downplaying the barbarity of Israel’s response. Israel is an occupier in Gaza, like Russia in Ukraine. If we can have moral clarity on the latter, we can also have clarity on the former.
@@Nyyankee718You has to spi that, didn‘t you?
@@Nyyankee718According to UN data, 5,365 Palestinians were killed in Gaza between 2006 and 10/7/23, so to say that the assault on Gaza was “trauma brought on by themselves” is disingenuous, and does not explain the ongoing apartheid, displacement, violent pogroms in the West Bank that have ramped up in recent months. Your rhetoric sounds terrifyingly similar to those who enabled the Nazis before and during WWII. Never again means never again for all of humankind.
@@kittybus yes causalities from wars they started. Since September 2000, Palestinian terrorist attacks have claimed at least 1,456 Israeli lives before october 7. palestinian arabs have been killing jews in the land decades before even the state of israel even existed. like the hebron massacre of 1929 when dozens of jews were killed
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I just watched Coates on MSNBC where he host was talking to him after the CBS interview. And the host shared some really racist reviews that have been written about his book. Coates responded that they are doing exactly what he wrote about. Then I came here because I thought if the book was anti-isreal Stewart would call Coates out. All I can say after watching this interview is wow, his book sounds amazing and raw, and what we need right now! I ordered it before I finished this interview! Thank you John Stewart for being willing to have open and honest conversation about something so personal and so painful.
Johns hatred for white people is strong enough to look away from the Israel critique
Aslong as Coates blames whites for everything John will support him
Which host on MSNBC was it? I watched his interview with Alex Wagner on MSNBC and didn't hear her make such remarks so it must have been someone else?
As an Irish man I rage how could we have allowed the Famine here in 1847, there was load of food but we Irish were enslaved people living on one crop Potatoes.
When you are hungry you are weak, when you see your children die you feel hopeless.
I feel for the people of Gaza
a Palestinian mother said, hunger takes away the bodies of children first, they cannot handle it the way we can.
As an Arab I'm trying to fast 2 days a week just to remember that pain.
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This is what I mean when I say oppression of any group of people will cause an uprising....a change for the better or WORSE. Trying to annihilate is inhumane.
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Irish always with their potatoes 🇬🇧🙄
Ta-Nehisi Coates needs to be protected at all cost, he is a national treasure. I appreciate this conversation between these two. Jon, Thank you!
We need new phrases for people we love and care about and stop manifesting this fear.
Coates is sooooo smart.
@@rafaelw8115 She posted that for likes and doesn't give a dam about those people or Mr. Coates.
@@rafaelw8115 Because I know what I'm looking at when I see it and know what I'm hearing when I hear it. No delusions!🙄😑
No he is not. He is so silent on Sudan while trying to burn bridges btw communities who have been friends for generations. He can go kick rocks in Palestine- they don’t care about Black ppl and since they love being violent, they can solve their own problems. MLK never did and never would.
Thank you Jon for treating this topic and this writer with the respect and understanding that they both deserve!
Challenging a one sided book in an interview is journalism. You are not supposed to just sit and tell them they are great.
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I have new-found respect for Jon Stewart’s honesty and humanity in addressing this sensitive and very important world topic. His Jewish ethnicity did not blind his ability to see and call the truth for what it is, without fear of selling out his faith. I recommend this interview to everyone. It was emotionally and intellectually moving. There may yet be a way out of this hotbed of problems.
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You do realize that Ta-Nehisi said that he “felt nothing” while watching 9/11 happen because of “white supremacy” right? And you’re all gloating over him?
Thank you Ta-Nehisi Coates for using your voice and uplifting the Palestinian community. We need more conversations that come from the heart
Watched this after the CBS interview. The contrast is so stark. Jon Stewart is amazing at what he does. A lovely engaging interview. Just amazing.
CBS what a disgrace
Just amazing!
The CBS was so racists. CBS is the corporate media and who owns most corporate media 🤔🤔🤔😕😕😕😕😕🤔
I am doing the exact same thing right now
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Incredible dialogue, glad I listened in. This is the best of RUclips.
🤔….please say that again! …with all the mess you can come across on here, then you click at something like this…🤔🙏🏽
This was a moving discussion. Wow..
Lol
Finally two sane people discussing race, conflict, trauma, war, nationalism. Excellent interview.
Sane bc Muslims aren’t involved? Black ppl will continue to mind their business about these violently predisposed Palestinians. The author doesn’t speak for Black ppl
Thank you for speaking up for the oppressed people of Palestine
Dont take it personally.... it will not measure up to the burden of the Palestinians... Tears flowed. I got chills. How selfless and beautiful. This GUY!!! WOW. What a beautiful human. Thank you so much for this interview. ❤
Calling this blunt antisemitism beautiful... you people are worst then the Nazis. Seriously.
Wasn't that an inspiring response?
@@aliciaburbank9962 NO
Yes. We Must fight. Yes... Our historia from Auschwitz to the 7 of october told us that so many times. Am israel jai.
@@masmusica100 it didn't tell you to not do the things that the Nazis did to your people? Weird flex
Loved what he said at the end. “It doesn’t compare…” I’m in tears
Why can’t your ppl write a book instead of killing ppl in October. Keep your emotions to yourself. Palestinians don’t care about Black ppl
Two amazing guys. The world is very lucky to have the both of them.
Hezz boom la, Khomeini, Humus are lucky to have these two on their side.
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@@cosmosaic8117 THANK YOU! People like Jon Stewart, who changed his last name from Leibowitz, are no example of what kind of lives J3wish people can live with dignity and without fear of displaying their heritage.
The beauty of this interview is not so much that they can speak so eloquently and with so much humanity (and humor at times) about such challenging topic, but also that they are actually listening to one another. Their perspectives allow them to ponder and learn from each other instead of being stuck in heavily ideologized and polarizing talking points. We need more informative, independent journalism and more constructive conversations and debates in all our media outlets. Funny that we have to find this rare example in a comedy show. Well done
I agree with what you say and it is refreshing.
Your oppression will not save you! Wow! This notion of humiliation is so true. Getting the book…right now!!!! Thank you Ta-Nehisi.
Ditto!
I didn't understand that part. What did he mean by "Your oppression will not save you." Save you from what?
@@stevesmith4901He was saying just bc your people were oppressed that doesn't mean your morally vindicated from your crimes.
Coates writes beautifully! It might even seem bleak and yet beautiful!
Oppression won't save you but healing from oppression will.
Now this is how to have an interview where interest in the WORK is explored. Rather than to attempt to pin someone down and thingify a person because his point of view differs from your own.
CBS left a bitter taste in my mouth.
I’m glad I found this interview.
yes!
CBS is an establishment CIA propaganda media outlet. All of corporate media is colonial imperialist empire propaganda media.
CBS again proves itself as a relic of the past and mouthpiece for a dying empire. This is what a real, human discussion looks like. Kudos to Jon Stewart for respectfully allowing Ta-Nahesi Coates to speak. Can’t wait to read his book.
That one guy on CBS who obviously has racial bias.
me too. the apology was worse from CBS! Completely unsatisfactory!
“The humiliation of oppression “ is the perfect phrase for how I felt as a working class woman. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t get that foot off my neck to lift my head up. It is demoralizing, depressing and demeaning. Only now, living on SSDI in my little car, do I feel a dignity in my life, because I no longer have to dampen my spirit to appease others in order to survive. Basic universal income would be beneficial for everyone’s mental health and allow ALL people to live a dignified life.
Between automation and AI it's inevitable. The problem is they will give just enough to survive.
Who's foot was on your neck?
@@MichaelEllegard-dz1yd a) *whose. b) if you have to ask....
Yet billionaires have the nerve to lecture us.
Writing doesn't do anything.
I hear this and it simply underlines how thirsty I've become for integrity. The simple process of people taking the time to hear each other in an exchange. Two people working to delve into complex human issues with integrity. Lovely and inspiring.
YES this is so refreshing!!
"What matters is who has the guns and who doesn't"
Boy that hit hard
When one side can have guns and not use them while the other side can’t be trusted with them due to being terrorists at every single opportunity for 50+ years, that’s reality.
No it doesn’t. Palestinians fight w rocks and bombs and guns. Tell them to stop fighting so they can have peace. This author doesn’t speak for the Black community and needs to mind his atheist business or write about Sudan. Palestinians don’t care about Black ppl.
Unfortunately, one of the philosophical outcomes to those who are oppressed. Largely not the leaning of AAs, but the fictional Kilmonger comes to mind when I think of how ‘might makes right’ can be dangerous.
heard that 50 years ago.
@@brentwiley3426Well.
‘Never Again’ for anyone…we all should be there already. Great interview!
I think the lessons learned are more complex for Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors, which Jon Stewart isn't. There is both a personal and a universal interpretation of "Never again", and both have validity. When your own family lived through it (and ancestors died from it), the less universalistic meaning has more resonance. A lot of Jews learned the lesson that we will never be safe unless we control our own destiny, and that isn't possible in today's world without a state and a powerful military of our own. I don't understand why that lesson is so difficult for people to understand. I think it is important to take away the universal message of "Never again" as well, but both are very valid perspectives that are born out of historical experience.
@@DavidLebsI'm curious to know sir why do you think it's important to take away the universal interpretation version?
@nazeemkadir1257 I don't at all. I think it is important that "Never again" have two meanings: one particular to Jews and one universal. Jews have very specific lessons take from the Holocaust, foremost that we can never again be reliant on anyone but ourselves to guarantee our own protection, which requires having our own state and a very strong army, regardless of what anyone else in the world thinks about it. The universal interpretation is that there is an international duty to prevent attempts to exterminate entire peoples. The world failed in that in Rwanda. I don't interpret "Never again" in the universal sense as being broad enough to require international intervention in other situations. But that's open to debate. As bad as wars and systems of oppression are in general, I don't see any situation rivaling the Holocaust (where the universal interpretation of Never again would apply) since other than Rwanda, and sadly the world did nothing there.
@@DavidLebscorrect. And Sudan. This Black atheist does not represent Black ppl and he has chosen to also stay silent on geno* in Sudan. Palestinians don’t care about Black ppl and celebrate violence, Black ppl never celebrated the harm of ppl in the US during Jim Crow. This is so ridiculous.
@@DavidLebs Gabor Mate and Norm Finkelstein are holocaust surviving jews who would strongly disagree with this assessment.
"Never Again" being bastardized to mean "never again - even if it means putting other people through the same trauma we experienced" is horrific and should not be justified.
2 smart people discussing a difficult topic. I love it. More please.
Please
Ok. But there's nothing difficult about this topic.
Sorely needed.💔
much, much more. It is so necessary that we communicate with depth of feeling in our overly oversexualized world of superficial aggrandizement. We need REAL...superficiality destroys the human spirit.
It's only difficult if you're invested in Zionism. For everyone else he answer is simple...Free Palestine. End the occupation. Return to pre 1967 borders. Two State Solution.
Jon Stewart be making you think with just a bit of HUMOR. THANKS, Jon! 🤩🤩🤩
Wow. Almost got emotional listening to these humanitarians. This is what is called a discourse.
Not really....talking about it and acting on it are different
@@paraiclally2310 Words are their job, the actions are the politicians jobs.
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@@cosmosaic8117 Every Human Rights organization stands with Palestine 🍉
@@theprimo100 We Stand With Israel ❤️
This is how you have a intelligent conversation. Not about right or wrong but simply sharing perspective
Rational ppl know how to have a conversation. It’s the Palestinians that go ape crazy like last October and can’t act civilized. This Black author does not speak for Black ppl, who know that Palestinians don’t care about them. Look at the Sudan.
I wish this was longer conversation ❤
Right? I could happily watch an hour sit down conversation between the two men.
Truth! 💜✊
Yea I hope he pops up on John's podcast.
@@josephinethornton3823 exactly! I really really felt something crucial needs to be explored - the shame and memory of oppression. It will honestly be a revelation to understand this, given that people are able to then turn it into such immense acts of kindness. The two men above, for example.
@@erickhart8046 right? And it's so incredibly authentic. Bravo
Jon Stewart never disappoints when it comes to his ability to curate humor and information in a palatable way for any curious mind… this was refreshing to watch.
Thank you for presenting this amazing man and for recognizing the trauma of Palestinians. As an American Jew, I believe that Ta Nishi Coates can reach audiences because of his sincerity, honesty and integrity.
For you to say this sir shows the love and discernment that guides you. May we all learn to be like you ❤️
JUST AS I BOUGHT AND READ "THE GENERALS' SON I WILL ALSO BUY THIS BOOK BECAUSE AS A CITIZEN OF THE USA THE MAIN $ ALLY I MUST SEE HOW IT MUST FEEL TO BE A MINORITY WITH LIMITED FREEDOM AND LIVE IN FEAR AS WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE EASTERN NEWS MEDIA ARE BANNED IN REPORTING OF Israel
Taneisha didn’t speak for the Black community, who struggled not because they were violent and celebrated violence but bc of skin color and hate. He is also so silent on Sudan which is happening as he runs his mouth about Muslim ppl who hate Black ppl.
There are many like him who have spoken up but have been ignored. Thank you to all who have tried.
@@Musicalnotes9678 Insulting the man will not advance your cause nor attract people to it.
wow.
now. that is a conversation.
between two people who have taken the time to try to come to grips with
the human condition, within themselves and in the wider human world.
grappling indeed.
i wish to thank Mr Coates and Mr Stewart for allowing us to sit in on it.
Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s and atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
I love Ta-Nehisi Coates's mind everytime I get the chance to listen to him!
"you go through a horrific experience ... the holocaust … you [may] conclude that … what matters is who has the guns & who doesn't. i stand opposed to that, just on principle, period"
at this point, i think he's either an anti-semite, or trying to act as some kind of bridge to those who believe that opposing white supremacy somehow legitimates anti-semitism
@@millrace32I think you missed his point. It's an old story. The persecuted decide the only way to escape violence in the future is to embrace violence as an option and to have the means to persecute others. My Dad explained a long time ago to me how this applied to the Puritans- fleeing British oppression they arrived in the New World and ultimately used violence to subjugate the indigenous. It isn't anti- Semitic to believe a Jewish community is no exception to this rule.
@@monicabeaston4996interesting thanks for sharing.
@@monicabeaston4996 i understand your story & your point, but he said what he said, which was different. &, if you dig a bit deeper, it's pretty clear coates has an embarrassingly bad take on the conflict
@@millrace32 I was pretty frustrated by the way these two framed discussion of the Middle Eastern conflict. Just to give one extremely trivial example:
John mentions in passing that a Palestinian wasn't allowed to speak at the DNC.
I find this sort of comment absurd.
On a practical level it would be disastrous to have had heard from the Palestinian voice because at this time Democrats need to unify against Trump. We need to get out of what Michelle Obama brilliantly called the Goldilocks syndrome. That speaker would have risked jeopardizing the momentum of the positivity generated by the convention.
Coates may assert that we must not be trapped by our history. I say: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
Finally, you know who's the most effective at suppressing Palestinian voices? Not the US, not the news, not Israel. That's right: Hamas. Palestinians who try to support Israel do so at risk of death. Say what you will about media bias in the West. The nightly news isn't sending people to Gaza to drag bodies through the streets to terrify citizens into compliance.
Great interview. The first time I was made aware of the Palestinian situation was many years ago when Alice Walker tried to take supplies to Gaza and Israel wouldn't allow her group (feminist women) into Gaza. They were denied entry. It opened my eyes to how awful their lives were due to the policies of the Israeli govt.
This is such a stark difference to the open hostility in the CBS interview. Jon, as always, is thoughtful and compassionate. And that's what we could use a little more of in discussions of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Well, that and to stop sending them bombs to do warcrimes with.
What an amazing discussion. Can you imagine if all talk shows and news interviews had this kind of dialogue and expansion of ideas? TDS and Stewart continues to be an oasis in a desert of media irresponsibility, fecklessness, and malfeasance.
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If all news coverage were as educational and informative as this, today's Trump cult Republican party couldn't & wouldn't exist
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The question of “has there ever been a better way of organizing than the nation-state?” is treated extensively in a book called the “Dawn of Everything” by David Graeber & David Wengrow. It looks at the historic evidence for other, more egalitarian and peaceful systems of human organization than what we have now. Native American political systems, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, Mayans, Minoans, and many others are discussed in terms of agrarian development, socio-political organization, and slavery. It turned a number of assumptions about the inevitability of top down rule on their head for me. Highly recommended and a worthy follow up to this conversation between Coates and Stewart.
Interesting
Absolutely fantastic material; its hefty so if you can find the audio-book life would be easier but loved it so much I went out and got a copy! Graeber will remain an incalculable treasure!
Ooh! this book looks like it’s right up my alley - thanks for the heads up
I absolutely love this book! Jon & Coates here are talking as if cycles of violence are an inevitable human folly, but such large scale conflicts are actually very modern.
@@tonapittman imo the cycles are violence tend to be linked to capitalism... wars over land/resources
"Never again for anyone." Exactly. That is our calling. and to keep our hearts wide open, and to let our hearts break open over and over, to our own humanity -- precious and fragile -- and to the world.
This is the most earnest, interesting, and best political conversation I may have ever seen. These two are among my very favorites and I'm grateful that this conversation happened. I hope a lot of people watch and really digest it.
Jon has the background and the brains to bring out some great thoughts in a high level discussion such as this.
This is an incredible conversation. There's a level of introspection and emotional analysis that I honestly haven't seen discussed in a television interview on these issues, the kind where you walk away with a deeper understanding. These are two important voices in the world.
"Do we have anybody Palestinian that we have invited to the table?"...
Great point!!!!
Ask them to invite themselves when they stop leading w violence. Tell them to use their words.
They are too violent to use their words.
@@Musicalnotes9678 or maybe you are too violent to hear what they have to say.
@@Musicalnotes9678 BTW, the same was/is said about the Blacks, Irish and even the Jues. People forget that the Z10nist groups Irgun and Haganah were recognized as t3rrorist groups by Western powers in the 1940’s until the establishment of Izrayl in 1948. After 1948, they became part of the military and intelligence of Izrayl, some became its prime ministers.
@@Nishful5 North Africa was more intelligent when the Arabs descended on their land. They didn’t fight for decades. So that their ppl could live.
Open-minded, non-biased conversation with no agenda, just wanting to find truth and righteousness is what is missing in the world.
Seriously? you call that nonbiased , no agenda? Truthful and righteousness? I hope you are being sinical .
@noa-wu9sn I'm convinced most of these people are bots...or simply brainwashed.
@@noa-wu9sn keep talking gibberish, are you of the chosen race? 😂
Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s an atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
It’s always interesting to see JS interview any guest…..but when he particularly respects a guest….his dynamic contribution to the interview is next level.
That WAS next level!!!! This discussion really NEEDS to be had right now. Open minds...real talk. I'm so moved
The way Ta-Nehisi Coates connects ideas and distills their qualities is so brilliant. Love listening to him speak.
Reading his work has the same affect.
Really appreciate that Jon Stewart had such a conllex conversation with the depth of consideration the guest deserved.
At the end though I was getting the sense that Jon was trying to insinuate that this issue of Palestine that Ta Nehisi had decided to try and tackle was so super complex and that 10,000 years of conflict was going to be difficult to resolve. I think that does a disservice to the issue that Ta Nehisi was tackling, because when you see a genocide taking place, it's not complex. There is a party perpetrating it, and there is a victim, and the perpetrator needs to be stopped.
In the vein of Jon and Ta Nehisi's discussion, their victimhood doesn't give some kind of moral superiority to Palestinians, but it does put a moral wound on the Israeli colonialist project.
The complexity of the last 10,000 years of Jewish history & conflict doesn't really come into play when a nation state is committing genocide in their name.
One of the most beautiful conversations between two of our most intelligent, empathetic citizens. I could watch those two talk all day.
@@katec8796 as long as Palestinians are not included; and these two groups have always gotten along. It’s the Palestinians who have a problem w them
So refreshing to see this after CBS this morning’s baloney
Baloney? Hardly, just too time-limited to do justice to this age-old, complicated subject.
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When you want thoughtful, in depth consideration of complex issues, you can't rely on the big networks to deliver, but somehow, here on basic cable, a comedian is getting it done. Thank you Jon and TDS. We would already be living in the post apocalypse if not for you. Because of you, we get to put that off for a few years at least.
@gr8dvd one of the CBS hosts literally implied Coates' beliefs are that of a radical islamist terrorist, and that he doesn't believe Israel should exist because he accurately points out Israel's treatment of the Palestinians
@@gr8dvdthat’s the bologna part.
What a beautiful conversation. Thank you, Jon and Ta-Nehisi.
Love this man, Ta-Nehisi Coates. Very smart, logical thinker
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. PERIOD.
Ta-Nehisi Coates’ writing can move mountains. If you’ve never read Between The World and Me, you owe it to yourself to do so.
Moved mountains of cash into his bank account.
Wonder how much he donates to terrorists.
Absolutely
@@ernestdoyle6937 how much paid to you AIPAC?
The book is life changing
Coates is exceptionally insightful, well-thought and articulate. I wish I could take one of his courses at Howard.
Well thought enough to speak for his ppl in Sudan? No. He doesn’t speak for the Black community. Insight is realizing that the Jewish community has been a friend to Black ppl and the violent religion in the Middle East is the reason the Palestinians stay at war. You can articulate the humanity of what they did last October bc of some broken mosq windows. Absolutely vile!
Amazing interview! I am still teary-eyed about the discussion about humiliation. That resonates so much with me re: ancestral trauma and rejection. I am so looking forward to seeing Ta-Nehisi Coates at the Humanities Festival in Chicago in 2 weeks!
@@laurasabransky9450 he doesn’t speak for black ppl. He speaks for the violent Palestinians. What do you have to do w why they are at war since October?
Fair play & respect as ever to Jon Stewart regarding the calibre of guests he invites on & level of discourse he tries to foster especially on certain emotive issues.
Even-handed with a strong moral compass. Strives to have understanding and empathy for the lived experiences of both Palestinians and Israeli Jews.
Just ordered this book from my local bookstore (always support local independent book sellers when you can) and it is SOLD OUT - the message is being delivered. People are reading. People are learning. Thoughts will change.
I almost bought on Amazon, until I saw this. Thanks!
wow, all of a sudden people are reading!!
Normal conversation. Mutual respect. Elevated perspectives. Progression of humanity.
Black ppl and Jewish ppl have always gotten along, look at the author trying to burn bridges though. Too bad Palestinians who hate Black ppl, can’t use their words in normal conversation but always throw rockets. Black ppl do not support an author who stays silent about Sudan but runs his mouth about the Palestinians who don’t care about Black ppl. He’s and atheist, someone the Bible calls a fool.
Wow! This isn’t a segment about a guy promoting his book. It’s a conversation about REAL issues between two very intelligent people who represent two different groups. EXCELLENT. I was mesmerized. SO refreshing. But sadly this falls into such a minority of “news” coverage. Why don’t we demand MORE like this?!
These two groups have always gotten along. That’s why he doesn’t speak for Black ppl. Who know to mind their business regarding Palestinians, who hate Black ppl and their neighbors in gazaaa
So maybe Palestinians and their religion is the problem
Because we dont want more. This isnt news this is a discussion but when actual news was a lost leader we had real journalist and reporters who sought the truth because the public demanded it. Now we seek confirmation for our darkest impulses...Trump lies,flip flops, shills, extorts and scapegoats, yet Kamala has to measure every word.
This was a really thoughtful discussion. Refreshing when the interviewer actually reads the book.
Great conversation! Can’t wait to read the book. One thing they seem to miss together is Indigenous knowledge. You don’t find zero-sum in Earth-based societies. When people say “land back” and let Indigenous folks lead, this is part of why. Otherwise we keep replicating trauma culture. Zero-sum is a trauma problem. How do we fix everything? Elevate, respect, honor Indigenous wisdom and throw the rest out. I know in my bones that it doesn’t need to be this way.
well-said!
What a powerful conversation. Thank you Stewart & Coates!
It was Jane Elliot's exercise in racism studies - blue eyed children and brown eyed children were treated differently; and taught people what racism is like. Jane Elliot is a national treasure and deserves the highest civilian US awards for service to the country - she's exposed and explained so much about the US and racism and right wing extremism and the fear of becoming a white minority. Please watch her videos!
In 2011 I sent Ms Elliott my 3 minute film Polar Reversal. This was her generous reply which she has kindly allowed me to use as an endorsement: Dear Alistair,
Subtle, it's not, but thought-provoking, it is! I suspect that the reason people protest the darkness of the second child is our determination not to see dark skin in a positive light! If you'd only made her a little dark with some curly hair, your white audiences might be able to accept her blackness as ever being positive. Some of the citizens of this country are having a terrible time accepting President Obama's skin color. Imagine their anger if his skin were any darker! I also suspect that they have trouble imagining a scenario in which someone would want NOT to be WHITE! Unthinkable! Man, this is going to make peoples' head spin, as they try to reverse the images and their concepts of race and its implications!
Thank you for doing this! After people look at this, the Eye-Color exercise is going to seem tame! Not non-threatening, mind you, but tame.
Jane Elliott
As you can imagine I am very proud of this.
@@alistairjohnson6061 Thanks for sharing! Wow!
Where could I see the film?@@alistairjohnson6061
Her experiment and work changed my life
@@nsn5564 Thanks:)
What do you expect from an African American who witnessed this kind of discrimination????? Do you actually think we can turn a blind eye to something that was done to us?? We cannot!!! Bravo Mr. Coates!!
Ta-Nehisi is articulate and compassionate. Just ❤
This is such a great conversation. Should have lasted for 4 hours! Its amazing, that these two, a black American and a Jewish American, talk about Palastinains as humans more than any other media did!
It's because Jon Stewart understand the complexity of the problem that there is no way out if the situation stay the same.
@@nabilinho8936 It's not that complex of an issue if you read about pre-Mandate, pre-Holocaust migration to Israel.
Especially compared to the spineless arabs leaders who wont say a peep
@@aishaladha402 The Arab world's corrupt leaders' silence shows who they are; they use the Palestine cause only when it fits their interest.
Would be great to hear a Palestinian on.
As a child protection social worker for 40 years, my colleagues would discuss how sustained trauma seemed to alter DNA within a family system. Extended periods of trauma seemed to become part of the multi-generational experience. Within the past few years it has been determined that the changes in DNA due to extended trauma are indeed passed down through the generations.
It's called epigenetics
There is a great deal of research being done on epigenetics. Even Neil De Grasse Tyson had a segment on his Star Talk program recently.
exactly - listen to Dr Gabor Mate
@@21972012145525 it is just theorised, there is no proof of it actually occuring, just theories. And i dont think epigenetics work like that, silencing parts of dna with some changes in folding of dna from trauma or some proteins produced from truama covering parts of dna . Not possible according to me. But again, we see some of the most unexplainable things happen in medicine which over gets solved
The epigenetic influence of trauma involves changes in gene expression caused by traumatic experiences, without altering the DNA sequence itself. These changes can be passed down to future generations, affecting their mental and physical health. Trauma-induced epigenetic modifications, such as DNA methylation, can impact stress response genes, leading to conditions like PTSD, depression, and anxiety12. Research shows that trauma can alter genes involved in the stress response, such as NR3C1 and FKBP5, potentially influencing brain development and function34. These findings suggest that trauma's effects can persist across generations through epigenetic mechanisms5.
From AI genrated response.
This is what being human is, calling out injustice even if it means they will try to destroy you for speaking up for the truth. It takes one human at a time to bring awareness and stop oppression of any type. Thank you for your bravery.
Black Americans NEED to hear that part about “knowing how this happens”. Because authoritarianism and ethnostates are NEVER the answer to oppressions or histories of oppression.
We NEED to be left alone. But that is not going to happen.
@@SpeedkidThis is an unfortunate truth. I think about this every time someone says all we need to do is start our own this or create our own that as if we haven’t tried that a thousand times before. Coates’ mention of Liberia is a perfect example. We have to figure out how to beat the system that we’re in because there’s no way out.
@@kimiya777 as the kid of African immigrants, with all the love in my heart, I say black folks are too nice. When my ethnic group was being pogromed we shot back at everyone and tore the country apart. Right or wrong, the language of power is universal.
@@Speedkid yeah Jewish people literally created Israel because of the exact same reactionary rhetoric and sentiments. Black nationalism and black ethnostates will not save us. Separatism will not liberate us.
@@Speedkid which is why this amazing author said he completely understands why/how we got Israel. He sees what many other revolutionary black artists and activists have seen for centuries. The solution to our oppression and the path to our liberation will NOT be to listen to and agree with the racists and separate ourselves from them.
This episode is a great example of why this is the best show on TV, at least on Mondays. And the book sounds great too.
I can't wait to get my hands on that book.
Amazing discussion! I wish we talked about these things more often. Thank you.
All it takes is a conversation...Sometimes the conversation is painful and complex, but having the conversation is the first step. Listening is a skill that is lost in the world today.
Coats is so correct about the unspoken humiliation felt in our community 💔😢
Speak for yourself. He doesn’t speak for Black ppl he speaks for Palestinians who celebrate violence.
Shutup lol
Steward and Coates, 2 inspirational human being, bless up!
What an example of night and day. John Stewart once again shows how to do an interview on topics that are emotionally difficult to navigate. Hey CBS, take a lesson from this conversation. These two thoughtful people were able to dialog and navigate deep ethical waters and leave the viewers a real sense of intellectual sharing.
@@malaikamckee-culpepper261 Jewish ppl and Black ppl have always gotten along. It’s Palestinians who have a problem w them both and are the reason for their own “struggle”
T-Nehisi, your writing does save peoples' lives. It matters so much. Thank you.
I read "Between the World and Me" recently, and absolutely loved Ta-Nehisi's storytelling and perspectives. I am going to have to give this one a read as well!
Ta-Nehisi is one of the smartest people to walk on dry land. I can’t believe we live in a world where people call Jordan Peterson geniuses when Ta-Nehisi is still walking around!! This conversation should have been 2 more hours long!!
he seems pretty smart, but that raises the question, how come he has such a terrible take on israel / palestine?
@@millrace32because he is incapable of viewing that or any conflict through a lens other than darker skinned oppressed and lighter skinned oppressor, even when it isn't even superficially accurate as a descriptor of skin tone let alone substantive reality.
@Podcasts-ej4lswatch the video?
@@jedinxf7no. He is talking about actual oppression of an entire people.
@Podcasts-ej4ls He doesnt agree with my views so he's wrong /s
Thank you, Jon Stewart and author Ta-Nehisi Coates
Oh it matters, Ta-Nehesi, it matters. Reading The Case for Reparations started me on a course of reading that changed my life - and I like to think - the thinking of those I talk with.
Jon, you saved my sanity as you clowned through the Bush years. Yet, I am finding your serious discussions even more valuable and soul satisfying. thank you.
Wow! I'm actually speechless. We need to have more conversations like this.
Such a deep conversation, I sense the desire to get in touch with our pure essence which unites us as human beings. How did we lose that unity, that shared pure essence that has no differences in boundaries, skin color, etc.
"Your oppression will NOT save you" is indeed a powerful message to the oppressors. Is it not true that the humiliation of the Germans post WW1 was in large part what fueled what came to be in 1930s and early 1940s Germany. I think humanity is trapped in a cycle of fear, anger, violence that degrade and humiliates the targets of the fear, anger, hate and resultant violence. There is the thread of retribution that is present in the Middle East and is there between the Hindus and Muslims in India too (and in the United States). A thread that is so tempting to pull but once we start, it begins to unravel all that we have built together.
Thank you so much Coates for being a human being. I think he's doing a great job bringing pure humanity into the conversation. However, we need more Palestinian voices in mainstream media. Interview the people living in Palestine directly.
Tell them to use their voices instead of committing or supporting violence. Black ppl and Palestinians are not friends and this author doesn’t speak for his community.
A breath of fresh air. Thank you for being two titans of patience and understanding, and working so hard to guide us through this darkness.
Just love Ta-Nahesi! ❤ He writes in a way that I can understand. Yeah, very nice of John to let him speak. I watched the way he was treated on CBS and I was stunned by the way they shut him down! A Professor like him! Wow. But John knows how to conduct a real conversation & treat his guests with respect.
I'm here from the CBS interview. What am enlightened dude. Ordered the book, can't wait to read it
I love this guest. He is articulate, very intelligent. Not that I get his message, I'm curious about his writing. And this is why we needed Jon Stewart back.
This back and forth is incredible. This might be the best interview I've ever seen on the daily show. Thank you for having this dialog.
What an interview! This is a great example of two intellectuals having a meaningful conversation, trying to make sense of this complicated world. I wish Tony DiCaro and others who criticize Ta-Nehisi Coates would watch this-they might learn something from Jon Stewart. Jon has always been a class act, and thank you to Ta-Nehisi Coates for your bravery.
Even with Stewart there’s a shadow of something that sounds like slightly excusing or brushes over Israel’s actions. But he’s still infinitely more open and honest and intelligent than almost every other TV personality and it’s really refreshing
I totally agree. He also sometimes plays the ‘both sides’ suffering game as if there’s an equivalence!
@@LalaJara-s4kThere absolutely has been suffering from tons of people on both sides of the conflict throughout time so there indeed is an equivalence.
I agree he was even almost desperately talking over the clapping when a point was made about Palestine
It's hard as an American to understand that you are supporting modern day Apartaid. To think that you don't want another Holocaust but you don't want Apartaid. It's always the innocent and the masses that suffer the most. It's just hard. That's what I see. The desperation for solutions.
Spot on! I had the same observation.