It's unbelievable that the anchor could ask him that with a straight face... "Here's a list of blatantly racist remarks made about you - how do you respond?"
@@robertcampomizzi7988 sure, let’s go with the part that is essentially, “he just hates Israel because black people couldn’t do what they did.” Precise enough?
@@robertcampomizzi7988 The review asserts with no evidence that Ta-Nehisi is jealous that Jews were able to accomplish something blacks could not. That's what makes it racial. Then it used a fictional and extreme example (Wakanda) of what success would've looked like in an attempt to mock the apparent failure of himself and other blacks. That's what makes it racist.
Not just that, it also took the apartheid accusation and said Nu uh, and called him antisemitic No arguments or engagement but I guess in their defense they don’t have anything to rebuttal with. They can keep Calling Israel a democracy but facts on the ground prove otherwise
The claim is that Isreal is so much more successful and contributes more to the world inspite of needing to carve out a country in an area full of swamps at it's shores and deserts in it's interior surrounded by hostile Arab states around it. This guy is full of dishonesty.
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Well, you keep asking a bunch of people about how is it racist, not only is it racist, it's erroneous fabrication of history. First of all the jews didn't carve out a place all on their own. I think they got some military assistance by the West, unlike foundational black americans after slavery. But the racist part is this: Many other white men have written books about this very same situation, but only Coates book is getting this type criticism. So the criticism is the racism because he's only writing about what he witnessed. It's like if I were to visit South Africa in the 70's and write a book about it, the treatment of the blacks, then you have the audacity to criticize what I witnessed.
@@robertcampomizzi7988 The part where the reviewer said that Coates is just jealous because Black people are less civilized than Jewish people. The fact that you need that explained to you is also really concerning, by the way.
I’m fed up with any honest and valid criticism of Netanyahu’s genocide against Palestinian people being called anti-Semitic. It is NOT anti-Semitic!!! Why is this the only country in the world allowed to act so brutally toward other human beings and largely given a pass from condemnation?
Is this a joke? Israel is not criticized, condemned, censured, etc. on a daily basis while Sudan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, *insert 50 other countries here* are? Did you just fall from a tree?
Seriously. It's anti-semetic to think that actual Jewish people want this kind of bloodshed. A genuine religious person who practices grace and love does NOT support this.
Will you please educate yourself. Israel is condemned by the United Nations more than all of the other countries in the world combined. Israel conducts wars far more humanely than the U.S. or the Brits but one would not know that because all we hear in condemnation of Israel nonstop.
The Jews get virtually no support from African-Americans. Who do you think founded the NAACP? Who do you think was its first president? Who do you think funded it to get it off the ground? Thankfully the Jews. What group of "white" people were most of the civil rights march allies? Jews. GIve me a break.
"My hope is for my people that the message is not merely that slavery is wrong because we are the slaves but that it is an actual interrogation of systems and a belief that those systems should not exist in the world no matter who it is" - Ta-Nehisi Coates
I understand what Ta-Nehisi is saying about inclusiveness isn't a disclaimer against racism. Having black police officers in your local police department doesn't mean the department can't have policies that allow for profiling young black men. Many of them do have those policies.
this is true so true.... but his lack of support for the pro democracy candiate is unaceeptable and will lead to him and his people and us all being deported or dead. He needs to take his head out of his own book and look arounnd at the clear and present dangers facing us all RIGHT NOW. And then when we win...we can revisit all of this.
Exactly why we say ACAB. Ex. Black men join the military bc they’re given less opportunities. They’re still extensions of imperialism in other countries.
During apartheid in South Africa, there were Blacks who were instruments of their own oppression. The gruesome thing is when they were caught, they were burned alive.
@@KK-pm7ud Thanks for your reply. TNC made claims, you made the counterclaim that what he said is nonsense. Meanwhile, people around the world are watching as the US aids Israel in carrying out what scholars have said clearly qualifies as genocide within a state that has been an apartheid state for a very long time. So, can you disprove his claims, or not?
The problem with people Like Helen Andrews, Cornel West, and that reporter from CBS is that they all want to skim T. Coates' work, then give an opinion. It does not work that way. Coates goes out, sees the thing, experiences it, researches the subject, gathers historical context, sits with the subject matter then he gives his take. There's always nuance. If you skim, you miss it all and Like miss Andrews, you end up angrily typing up a fiery op ed that not only proves you didn't read the material, but reveals your own racism when your goal was to expose someone else's.
@@hadamerryweather577 you are part of the problem. Coates is critiquing nationalism, and you are still trying to find an excuse to justify it. Both sides have great reasons why they each should have this "right to exist". The way they are going about it is the issue.
Mr Coates doesn't flinch. He doesn't make excuses in the face of difficult situations or questioning. What makes him controversial is that he deftly articulates his position and makes people think about what they believe. He makes people squirm and feel uncomfortable - but they will think. Much respect, Mr Coates!
@@flame-sky7148 the UN sent a bipartisan committee to establish a potential partition plan including delegate from Iran. They unilaterally concluded that the majority of the land was impoverished, largely unpopulated nomadic type people and small shanty villages outside of a few major British centers . Go travel across Jordan that’s what it likely looked like in 1947 nothing changes
it also sounds like they did that all on their own, but without the UN, the US and even the UK's help i doubt there would ever be now a state called Israel.
@@rygguy88888 I was going to travel to Petra a few years ago, when I lived in the UAE (so I'll check it out). The fact of matter is the British helped them starting with the British Balfour Declaration. Later the British divided the Palestinian and Jewish State. You don't have to divide something that is unpopulated. After WWII the British simply gave up due to the jewish hostility such as the Stern Gang, Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organisation), Lohamey Heruth Israel There was the support system of Zionism, there never was a support system called Wakandism to allow blacks to settle in their own home.
We will point out antisemitism any time we see it. That's what Coates is. He went to Israel with an agenda combined with his sad, simplistic outlook on life and the world around him. The man needs serious therapy. Or he's just an a-hole.
Ta-Nehisi Coates speaks the truth to power. Colonial power. If we are to have an honest discussion of Israel and Palestine, then colonialism absolutely must be a part of the conversation. Israel was carved out of land that was inhabited for centuries by people who had deed and title to much of the land. In 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forced off their lands. That is fact and until such facts are acknowledged, the discussion of Israel and its "right to exist" will always be tainted by the stain of colonialism.
For centuries you say? I suggest you revisit the history because if you want to go back to who were the indigenous people of the area, it is the Jews. Caught you.
@@tl-ih8uku read it? And why not own apartheid? The founding people of Israel called their project accurately, why do y’all struggle calling balls and strikes?
@@tl-ih8ukhe isn't lying by omission. H literally said he is presented the other side of events, for people that don't have a voice for themselves. That's like saying a book about the suffragettes movement is "lying by omission" because it doesn't speak from ♂️ perspectives
The only reason the interview flies is because it was written by a contributor to the American Conservative and Compact Magazine tolerates it. Its really the messed up thing about our media, they think its okay to publish something and that its as legitimate because that is what is most side by that particular side.
Why, is the truth so utterly painful to you? The Jews have found a place on earth (one that they emanated from but that is besides the point) wherein they turned a piece of desert into a modern miracle. In fact, most of the land from the original 1948 was the junk that was considered unlivable. The author spews his "feelings" which he is entitled to do but you the consumer of his work need not believe his stories to be factual.
@@BenjaminGolden-c5uIt’s over the truth is out. You should read Ilan Pappes excellent book on Zionist myths. The blooming desert is the one of them. You need to concentrate on how to rehabilitate your country, to not be reviled and a pariah. Btw if you guys are so hot, how come you have to steal everything?
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY OVER 3000 YEARS ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. BLACK HEBREWS IN THE DIASPORA NEED A HOMELAND JUST LIKE EUROPEAN JEWS GOT... I WISH BLACK HEBREWS GOT THE SUPPORT EUROPEAN JEWS GET FROM AMERICA ALONE.. WE GET NONE BUT CONTINUED ATTACKS EVEN FOR SEARCHING FOR OUR TRUE IDENTITY.
But Egypt does and by proportion, the Palestinians did under many presidents prior to Trump and those countries are dictatorships with an unspeakable level of poverty. Arab Israelis live like kings by comparison to any Arab country. There are some rights, very few that are not given to the Arab citizens and that primarily has to do with bringing in partners from outside of Israel. As for being able to buy a house, there are some limited restrictions in some areas but if you could get off your anti-Israel kick long enough, instead of concentrating on Israel you might look at for example, NYC co-op rules which allow discrimination by the board for whatever reason. Israel is a democracy and democracies can change laws. In Apartheid in South Africa, 14 percent of the senate wasn't black. In Israel, 14 percent of the senate is Arab Israeli and that is getting closer and closer to the 20 percent of the population. Is the U.S. senate 13.6 percent black? That's what it should be if we go by percentage of the population. There are four black senators in the U.S., which is four percent, but the general population is 13.6 percent black. Israel is doing far better with Arab-Israeli representation than the U.S. is doing with Arab-Israeli representation.
@BenjaminGolden-c5u "arab israelis live like kings by comparison to any arab country" lol tell me you've never been to many arab country without telling me
@lovescent46 liar. Qataris, Saudis, and Omanis are objectively richer happier and dont love in an Apartheid state as secind class citizens according to Isreali human rights organizations. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 What world do you love in bro. Be honest with your self. Palestinians live like jews just before they were gassed. Look it up seriously. Besides alot of jews have no genetic ties to the land anyway.
I'm so glad that Ta-Nehisi Coates, as always, is succinct and on point. I've enjoyed reading his previous books, and I'll read "The Message" as well. He's one of the clearest thinkers on these issues that I've heard.
Apartheid occupation and genocide will not be tolerated. This host is awesome for not only getting Coates on here but allowing Jeremy Scahill to tell the truth the other day as well.
the author used to write for The American Conservative, so no surprise there. Compact, where this review was written, was founded by two conservatives, so, again, no surprise there.
@@grasmereguy5116 If you didn't hear the implication that Jews were better colonizers than blacks and therefore Coates, as a black man, is jealous of this "success", and therefore wrote his book out of resentment, rather than based on a research and moral truth, I'm not sure what to tell you. The article was LEVELS of racism. Not just a single racist comment.
@@grasmereguy5116 You're willfully stupid and your perspective is how I thought when I was 14 and thought racism is ONLY when a person says "Your skin colour makes you less than me because you are an inferior race and I am a superior race because my skin colour is better than yours" If you do not understand what was racist about that get help... She directly stated that she thinks he is ashamed because his people weren't capable of building anything good the way "the Jews did"... As if he has to "feel the shame of all africans" because "africans are bad at building things"... Just cause he's black. That's INSANELY racist.
Yeah if you listen to other interviews he's done, he knew exactly the backlash he would get from writing the book. I think he's mostly stunned that MSNBC would have him on right after that and frame such blatant racism as just "an incendiary book review." And then on top of that they subtly mischaracterize things AGAIN in the title of the video. Honestly pretty disgusting from them
@@givepeaceachance940I was also going to comment that he has also gotten great reviews like on The Daily Show and Zeteo, so “backlash” is just clickbait-headlining
I have a question regarding Isreal. Why is the Israelites and their government so important to the US to the point where we allow them to act without guard rails. Why is in considered Anti Semetic when critiqued? Why is their PM not being held accountable for crimes against humanity? What the difference between him and Putin, Kim and other dictatorship
Because Israel has been lobbing in the States since the 1950s. Israel pays millions of collars to politicians. These politicians send billions to Israel. That way the cycle continues.
I don't think there is any reason to it any longer. I think whatever reason there may have been has long been lost, its just so entrenched its now a thing we just do, Though a lot of it has to do with moneyed interests and the lobbying organizations that back Israel are largely backed by rich evangelical christians which deliver large sums of money to the campaigns of both democrats and republicans.
They're _Not_ racist. A "racist" is prejudiced against, or antagonistic against a person or peoples of a *Particular* ethnic group. What They *_Believe_* is that they are exclusively endowed - AKA CHOSEN - by the Creator to have dominion over, and absolute control of whom they deem as _"Non-Humans or Less-than-Humans"_ - AKA, those GROUPS that were _Not Chosen._ Typically this defines a "Supremist" who believes they are superior to, and has the _Devine_ power to control *ALL* other ethnic Groups.
Same to Arabs also brother as we talking Leabanes left Africans stranded in por condition without giving them even some aids so they all thesame the middle east all are apapatied
@@AmartnjNjiez as black African who lives in Arab countries I haven’t experienced racism. Black person can buy a house anywhere in Middle East except isreal
@@Danadane314 I'm Egyptian, the Egyptian government may stand with Israel but not the Egyptian people, I don't know ayman's personal view, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a Zionist, he's an MSNBC news anchor after all, I am just greatful he had Coates on
Heaven forbid anyone criticizes Muslim theocracies who openly discriminate against non Muslims if they’re even allowed to live in that country to begin with. Most of the Muslim majority nations hold on to power by force, being authoritarian theocracies. My issue is with the double standard where far leftists excuse Islam’s bigotry, violent sexism, dogmatic behavior & their determination to convert the world into Islam. It’s psychotic and yet no one can say anything about it. It’s all Israel bashing. I would take these people seriously if they attacked Netanyahu, who is responsible but frankly most of these people want Israel destroyed.
Thank you 4 featuring Mr Coates on your show and i will be buying this book just to here what this YOUNG MAN has to say. I think he will OPEN MY MIND 2 THINGS I AM ... UNAWARE OF! 👀👀👀😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯
Unfortunately, some people believe if a singular Black person is "successful", that is proof the other 44+ million Black people are simply lazy or not trying hard enough. When it comes to Blacks, the exception is the rule when selling the idea that systemic racism doesn't exist.
Well remember Senator Turtle McConnell said that the USA isn’t racist because we had a Black president. Yet TFG Trump referred to his wife’s ethnicity calling her “Chow Chow”.
@@comments8742 Israel wants to use the US to tear down the UN so that they can take what doesn't belong to them. They forget who made them Israel in the first place.
Younger people, aka the future, have been awakened to the plight of Palestinians thanks to Netanyahu and co. All the old cranks in the comments will be long gone by the time the youth get into power and start to change American policy towards Israel. I’ve been to Israel, and like many I was blinded by the lights of Tel Aviv and how westernized it was. I didn’t know the history nor the flagrant discrimination that exists there. Now I do. And so many more in my generation do.
Hopefully the youth will realize how biased & naive they are being. Heaven forbid anyone criticizes Muslim theocracies who openly discriminate against non Muslims if they’re even allowed to live in that country to begin with. Most of the Muslim majority nations hold on to power by force, being authoritarian theocracies. My issue is with the double standard where far leftists excuse Islam’s bigotry, violent sexism, dogmatic behavior & their determination to convert the world into Islam. It’s psychotic and yet no one can say anything about it. It’s all Israel bashing. I would take these people seriously if they attacked Netanyahu, who is responsible but frankly most of these people want Israel destroyed.
The question now is how do we ensure that Palestinians are no longer led by corrupt theocratic tyrants who steal all their resources and lead them into unwinnable wars where their only purpose is to serve as cannon fodder or PR props. or are you talking about the other thing? Where we pretend Israel has hallucinated the wars of extermination and terrorist attacks over the past 76 years, and all they need to do is lay off the hallucinogens and cut it out?
Maybe! Maybe not! Black students thought the same thing during the second wave anti-apartheid movement in 1976 and thereafter. Clearly, we were mistaken. The Black Panthers thought the same thing in 1968 and thereafter. They were mistaken as well. However, I hope so.
The piece by Helen Andrews (formerly of The American Conservative) is more bizarre than they are letting on in this interview. They risk dignifying it by treating it as political discourse of any kind. She hurdles in with a diagnosis of Ta-Nehisi Coats as a psychologically sick person, and moves on to a kind of Zionist version of 'you hate me because I'm beautiful.' I can't really figure out why they would publish something like this, their articles aren't always to my taste but they are usually well-reasoned.
take "they hate us because of our freedom", and make it even more self-centered and narcissistic, and you get "they hate us because we are beautiful/superior". western nations don't even understand what motivates terrorism anymore, which would be important to know in a "war on terror".
Why would you think it's bizarre? Even though there were some Jewish Conservative Republicans involved in the CRM, they have been attempting to dismantle racialized affirmative action since 1970 and actively supported Bakke. Black conservative Republicans were in cohoots with JCRs even though Arthur Allen Fletcher, a black Republican, was the father of affirmative action. Let that sink in. JCRs finally got their wish in 2020 with the Supreme Court decision dismantling racialized affirmative action. Footnote: Fletcher turned down the EEOC position that later went to Thomas. He'd grown disillusioned with Reagan.
On Kamala Harris: "I suspect this is much more than about Kamala... I think we need to look a little deeper, what are the forces that make this so hard and so difficult".. flippin nails it.
@@marklasky3555because of that review. It's a rhetorical question . This review compare Israel with Liberia. If Israel had no western money and support, it would have become just like any middle eastern country.
@@someone-w9n Not only did Liberia not get any money, but America didn't protect their country/interests from other colonizers operating in the region.
No. But guess which community got more money than the entirety of western Europe in the Marshall plan and still has a failed state. Here's a hint, it starts with P and ends with -alestine.
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY OVER 3000 YEARS ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. BLACK HEBREWS IN THE DIASPORA NEED A HOMELAND JUST LIKE EUROPEAN JEWS GOT... I WISH BLACK HEBREWS GOT THE SUPPORT EUROPEAN JEWS GET FROM AMERICA ALONE.. WE GET NONE BUT CONTINUED ATTACKS EVEN FOR SEARCHING FOR OUR TRUE IDENTITY.
You'll be happy that you did. He is a great writer and though the interviews have primarily focused on the final essay, there are other essays also. Additionally, he did a great interview on Trevor Noah's podcast that talks about the book a bit more generally in addition to tackling that final essay. A better picture than this at getting to Mr. Coates' thought process as it has evolved over the years.
Israelies did not carve their country out of the desert, from day one its was carved out of Palestinians, its social cohesion seems dependant on the hatred and dehumisation of Palestinians, Palestinians of all denominations.
It’s understandable but sad that many Americans (including academics and “experts”) badly *need* to cling to the myth that “Persecuted Jews created an oasis of liberal democracy and industrialization in the middle of the desert - all by themselves - solely because they were “superior” to the “barbaric Arab savages” all around them. “ I mean it’s basically the same myth we told ourselves about America - before we started getting curious about Native Americans. I wish they would get more curious about the Palestinian side of the story instead of vacuously repeating talking points about “Israel’s right to defend itself”. What Israelis most need protection from isn’t terrorists - it’s a mirror.
If you think Israel should give back the land to the descendants of the people they took it from... do you think the USA should give back the land to the descendants of the people they took it from?
@TPaine76 - You write, "What Israelis most need protection from isn’t terrorists - it’s a mirror." That's a very broad brush you're using there. And a slippery slope to bigotry.
You’re imposing a bs narrative on anyone who doesn’t support the Palestinian “cause.” A 70+ year campaign to annihilate the Jewish state. You cannot erase history for those, like me, who actually lived it & did not learn history from TikTok. You’re a tool for Tehran. Suggest you go live there - plenty of Iranians & others in the Levant who’d be happy to trade places. You can live under the boot of the genocidal Islamists you worship.
Our own country has always seemed to be of “colonis-tic” view since the beginning. Not just with slaves from Africa, but also with the indigenous people here.
To give a more honest account of slavery, you really should not leave out the Arab slave trade that went on from the 7Th Century until the 1960s. Also, it’s not too late for Americans to give back the land we stole from the American Indian tribes, as well as reparations. And to give reparations to the decedents of slaves as well as demanding Arabians giving reparations. Let’s stand up for what is right! And fair!
Great job Ta-Nehisi! Evey interview he shows he is above the same narrative that people are so tired of. Good on him for being able to keep what matters at the forefront of all humanity! Our mainstream news/media is so out of touch with the reality of people and truth.
Took a while for Coates to get to this position but reading about it and experiencing it (as he did during his trip) are two different things. Regardless, at least he’s at the place he is now and as a “respected” voice of liberal thought he can explicate what others have been saying for decades.
People who are committing gen/cide to maintain an apartheid would be ready to do more than just a racists book review if they thought they might lose some of their privileges.
I'm surprised that Ayman Mohyeldin still has his job. With how deep israel's claws are in everywhere, especially news outlets, I'd have expected him to have been fired at the bare minimum.
It must be unsettling to have your ideas met with such bigotry, yet what a contribution and opportunity to openly discuss these issues that may slowly open people's minds to the inhumanity behind colonialism.
Did He say that "Israel does not have a right to e exsist"? No nation, no nation has the right to create themselves upon the bodies of others. It appears that people of power have begun to attempt to destroy this author. I for one will now buy His book.
If only Bill Maher would have Coates on Real Time. Bill’s too scared to do it, and would get smacked down, but at least he’d hear the actual arguments the kids are making.
Bill Maher will only do that if They Agree with Him about How Evil Palestine is Oh right Maher is a Atheist Zionists. Henry Winkler has far more compassion than Bill Maher does for Palestine for Gaza people who follow after Islam ☪ 🕌!
The host failed basic journalistic standards and failed to impartially interview the author. Coates visited the occupied territories and wrote about the apartheid and racism that he saw firsthand. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and B'Tselem (Israel's largest human rights group) have all published reports detailing Israel's apartheid against Palestinians. The International Criminal Court of Justice also found Israel responsible for apartheid. Attacking Coates with his opinionated line of questioning and implying he was an extremist without disclosing his religious conversion and the fact his wife and kids live in Israel was deceptive
@@YahziCoyote I could give three fifths of a crap how you rationalize your pedantry. You know what you're doing and it's disgusting, perhaps justice would be for you to find yourself being policed the same way Palestinians are in the West Bank and Gaza. Then, through forced empathy, perhaps you'll understand their plight. Or continue to be a monster in RUclips comments.
It’s more than listening, though. What does writing a book and profiting off of the suffering of Palestinians do? What does buying and reading the book and leaving comments on RUclips do? We need to return the stolen lands in America to the indigenous American Indian tribes and we need to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves. Let’s not rattle off empty words, let’s address the ongoing colonialism and its destructive effects in the world.
It was not cool to blindside Mr Coates with that so-called book review, which does not qualify as constructive criticism. You recirculated inflammatory nonsense that was best left where it was…unread.
@@hadamerryweather577 No. That is not professional journalism. And to ask someone to respond to that nonsense without warning is highly suspect. No one needs to protect Mr Coates. But we should not, as viewers, tolerate sub-par journalism. If I wanted crap, I’d watch Tik Tok videos all day….
@@hadamerryweather577 how is it an emperor has no clothes moment? Coates was able to answer against the review pretty well. Who is the “emperor” in rigs case?
It was. It’s important to show the audience how racists Zionists are. The would celebrate black month to the fullest but once a black person says something inconvenient for them, they pull down the masks and reveal their personality that they usually keep for when they visit the West Bank.
It blows my mind how sensible some people get when being confronted with the fact that Israel isn't that moral utopia they were taught by mainstream media. Also, it's not like there's a shortage of books describing how Israel was founded. Rashid Khalidi, Ilan Pappé, and Norman Finkelstein have all written excellent books on the subject.
Even books on Zionism written by Zionists openly state that Zionism is about colonialism. I don't know why Zionists are even trying to dispute that when there are several quotes from the founders of Zionism and Israel stating that they were colonizing the Palestinians.
All of the land occupied by Israel was brought about by the Balfour Declaration and guaranteed by Great Britain 🇬🇧. Included was the phrase, “Nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish persons. There were and are still many powerful political figures in Great Britain that claim the Jewish religion. The political pressure brought to bear on this idea of a Jewish state was from a powerful minority that wished to move the “Jewish Problem” outside of Great Britain. Once people started pouring into these lands, conflict inevitably began between the immigrants/settlers, the existing Population and the British troops there attempting to provide order. The “terrorists” including the soon to be “founders of Israel” began a dual campaign against the existing peoples AND the British troops.
God lead the jews to israel . He created that land for the descendants of Abraham. Many wars scattered the jews throughout the world and after ww2 the jews wanted to go home to israel , their God given land. So bal four was designed. Its nowhere near the big space it was in biblical times
@@Annegeddeis Bros that's crazy. I can pull a fortune cookie that says my true home is in Israel. does that give me the right to fly to Israel and randomly take someones home? I mean...the fortune cookie told me, it must be fate it must be a biblical prophecy. and that's what you sound like btw
@@AnnegeddeisI am sure you know Ishmael is also a descendant of Abraham. Also, you might have heard of the many mass conversions to Judaism during the Hashmonite Kingdom, the Khazars, in Yemen etc. Judaism is a religion many people converted to, and still convert to today
Yeah, I recall Israeli defenders using the Balfour Declaration as some kind of legitimate pretext for Israel, as if Palestine, conquered by a colonial imperialist Britain, was Britains to give.
you can criticize God, Jesus, The President of the US, and every one in between with no issue. Dare you criticize Israeli barbarism and you are marked.
this host is so out of line - reading that stunningly racist review piece without forewarning Ta-Nehisi Coates is really low. I don't watch this show and only turned into this YT segment because I saw Mr. Coates was on- I would not ever watch this host or his show ever- who does this? @msnbc has fallen so low.
Many of us like to ask ourselves, "What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid?What would I do if my country was committing genocide?" The answer is, you're doing it. Right now. Aaron Bushnell
Finally, a real writer like Coates and a real conversation, even if it feels uncomfortable. Coates is a courageous journalist. A lot of journalists can take page out of his book. He keeps it real. We need more people like Coates in our politics and media.
10:02 is the question and answer I have been grappling with. There is something much bigger happening here. It's not merely aligning with an ally. There is more underneath this war that hasn't been unearthed, but we will eventually learn what it is.
It's messianic fervour as well because so many US politicians are Zionists. Also rampant corruption. Think about it. American aid flows to Israel. Rich Jewish donors and lobbying groups who have business interests in Israel then "donates" money to campaigns of US politicians. It's a cycle of money changing hands .
Like what? Power, corruption, money? I don’t see some kind of deeper meaning. We as capitalists and colonization here in the US need to stand up for what is right and give the indigenous American Indian tribes their land back. And we need to pay reparations to all descendants of slaves.
@@BeanMacdui right. You don’t SEE a deeper meaning. This is beyond what we see with our eyes. All of what you mentioned matters (and I agree with you). However, there is more to this and we will find out in time. That’s all I’m saying.
Ayman a great segment! Shining a light on this issue and exposing the hyprocracy and rascism is breaking through! Keep up the excellent reporting the mainstream media is generally failing on this issue. ❤
Crazy that I just received a notification from my library that the audiobook is available as I watched this interview. I quickly tapped my Libby app to borrow it. I can't wait to listen.
Thank you Ta-Nehisi Coates you are speaking to the heart of the issue that has allowed racists apartheid in all its forms to exist. Ayman, why blindside with a negative shallow review when you are interviewing with an amazing author?
I love that Tony basically conceded that Israel is an apartheid state but suggests that Palestinians deserve it. Just give Israel supporters a platform to speak and they'll openly share their racist views without realizing how insane they sound
Sharp backlash? I think you mean racist backlash. Both comments had a racist subtext, it wasn’t sharp, or nuanced, it was racist. Unless msnbc considers racist comments “sharp”
A way to identify false righteousness is to observe the react to criticism. Righteous people will stop to consider if there is validity to the criticism. A nation's people deserve peace and security. A nation's job is to ask, is this government providing that peace.
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“Wow, that was really racist” was my exact thought, but I didn’t think he’d immediately respond with that. That review is CRAZY.
It's unbelievable that the anchor could ask him that with a straight face... "Here's a list of blatantly racist remarks made about you - how do you respond?"
Which part is racist? Be precise.
(Edit: keep reading to learn more)
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Hey guys I found the person who didn't understand colonialism
@@robertcampomizzi7988 sure, let’s go with the part that is essentially, “he just hates Israel because black people couldn’t do what they did.” Precise enough?
@@robertcampomizzi7988 The review asserts with no evidence that Ta-Nehisi is jealous that Jews were able to accomplish something blacks could not. That's what makes it racial. Then it used a fictional and extreme example (Wakanda) of what success would've looked like in an attempt to mock the apparent failure of himself and other blacks. That's what makes it racist.
Holy cow. That review basically said, “Ta-Nehisi is just jealous Jewish people are better than Black people.” It could not be more blatantly racist.
So much racism in the way US journalists cover Palestine and Israel
Not just that, it also took the apartheid accusation and said Nu uh, and called him antisemitic
No arguments or engagement but I guess in their defense they don’t have anything to rebuttal with. They can keep Calling Israel a democracy but facts on the ground prove otherwise
The claim is that Isreal is so much more successful and contributes more to the world inspite of needing to carve out a country in an area full of swamps at it's shores and deserts in it's interior surrounded by hostile Arab states around it. This guy is full of dishonesty.
Yes! That was just wow. The nerve of that person.
@@jlcl96 EXACTLY!!! Like, “oh he just doesn’t like Israel cause he’s jealous that Israel is better than African countries.” 🤬🤬🤬
I love that he immediately called out the racism. Really grateful to him on this issue when so many elite commentators are afraid to tackle it.
Which part was rhe racist part???
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Well, you keep asking a bunch of people about how is it racist, not only is it racist, it's erroneous fabrication of history. First of all the jews didn't carve out a place all on their own. I think they got some military assistance by the West, unlike foundational black americans after slavery. But the racist part is this: Many other white men have written books about this very same situation, but only Coates book is getting this type criticism. So the criticism is the racism because he's only writing about what he witnessed. It's like if I were to visit South Africa in the 70's and write a book about it, the treatment of the blacks, then you have the audacity to criticize what I witnessed.
@@robertcampomizzi7988low brain power huh?
@@robertcampomizzi7988 You already got an answer the last time you asked.
@@robertcampomizzi7988 The part where the reviewer said that Coates is just jealous because Black people are less civilized than Jewish people. The fact that you need that explained to you is also really concerning, by the way.
No African country may resemble Wakanda, but it's a bit strange how Israel resembles apartheid South Africa and Jim Crow America.
A--men, tell the truth now!
Actually desmond tutu called South African apartheid a walk in the park in comparison with Palestinians
Wakanda participated and the Trans Atlantic slave trade, sending captive Africans, manacled, to the coast for sale to European slavers.
@@020OriginalI'm South African, and I do believe this to be true. Which speaks volumes about how messed-up both situations are...
Have you been there?
I’m fed up with any honest and valid criticism of Netanyahu’s genocide against Palestinian people being called anti-Semitic. It is NOT anti-Semitic!!! Why is this the only country in the world allowed to act so brutally toward other human beings and largely given a pass from condemnation?
Excuse me, are you aware of china and the Uyghurs? Look it up and educate yourself.
Is this a joke? Israel is not criticized, condemned, censured, etc. on a daily basis while Sudan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, *insert 50 other countries here* are? Did you just fall from a tree?
Seriously. It's anti-semetic to think that actual Jewish people want this kind of bloodshed. A genuine religious person who practices grace and love does NOT support this.
Will you please educate yourself. Israel is condemned by the United Nations more than all of the other countries in the world combined. Israel conducts wars far more humanely than the U.S. or the Brits but one would not know that because all we hear in condemnation of Israel nonstop.
The Jews get virtually no support from African-Americans. Who do you think founded the NAACP? Who do you think was its first president? Who do you think funded it to get it off the ground? Thankfully the Jews. What group of "white" people were most of the civil rights march allies? Jews. GIve me a break.
"My hope is for my people that the message is not merely that slavery is wrong because we are the slaves but that it is an actual interrogation of systems and a belief that those systems should not exist in the world no matter who it is" - Ta-Nehisi Coates
Exactly what Primo Levi said about the Shoah
Best ❤ 2024
It came as a surprise to me that "Never forget; never again" applied only to Jews, and not Cambodians, Rwandans, Bosnian Muslims, etc.
How anyone could argue with this statement is simply astounding to me.
Zionists need to really reflect on this
I understand what Ta-Nehisi is saying about inclusiveness isn't a disclaimer against racism. Having black police officers in your local police department doesn't mean the department can't have policies that allow for profiling young black men. Many of them do have those policies.
this is true so true.... but his lack of support for the pro democracy candiate is unaceeptable and will lead to him and his people and us all being deported or dead. He needs to take his head out of his own book and look arounnd at the clear and present dangers facing us all RIGHT NOW. And then when we win...we can revisit all of this.
Exactly why we say ACAB. Ex. Black men join the military bc they’re given less opportunities. They’re still extensions of imperialism in other countries.
sometimes racism is fueled by inclusiveness (see the blowback against DEI)
During apartheid in South Africa, there were Blacks who were instruments of their own oppression. The gruesome thing is when they were caught, they were burned alive.
@@JohnDCrafton the "blowback" against DEI is a fabricated issue spoon fed to people which dont understand what it actually is..
My respect grows for this author with every interview. Wow with every blow he triumphs.
I am the same, he is simply amazing
Oh please. He is completely uninformed on the issues.
@@adrianl7147 Zionist running scared
For example which issue is he uninformed about?
The book is great. It is elegantly written and fact based.
Just got the book. Brave man full of integrity. Salute you sir. Stand tall against all those haters out there.
The forces that make this so hard and difficult are the money and power of AIPAC.
He knows that but was reluctant to say it. The elephant in the room.
Don't forget CUFI Christians United For Israel, theyre extremely influential as well
And the power of our defense industry. War makes them and our lawmakers in Congress, who own stocks in companies like Raytheon, incredibly wealthy.
He almost said it then pulled himself back, trusting that those of us in the know would get the hint
It’s partly AIPAC but it’s largely our defensive industry and the oil lobby.
Ta-Nehisi Coates giving all journalists a lesson here. So happy to be getting his book soon.
This gentleman continues to impress me with his ability to clearly communicate these issues without getting emotional or ambiguous.
He doesn't get emotional because he believes the nonsense he's selling.
@@KK-pm7ud Well, then try to de-bunk what he said.
@@HealingLifeKwikly Debunk opinions? You're all crazy.
@@KK-pm7ud Thanks for your reply. TNC made claims, you made the counterclaim that what he said is nonsense.
Meanwhile, people around the world are watching as the US aids Israel in carrying out what scholars have said clearly qualifies as genocide within a state that has been an apartheid state for a very long time.
So, can you disprove his claims, or not?
Heaven forbid anyone criticizes Israel.
Pride goes before a fall! It is a dangerous game they play! ‘The boy who cried wolf’
Israel shows is might against the Islamic terrorist groups that run the countries surrounding it.
Apparently Isreal can do no wrong, and the suggestion that it does is aNtIsEmEtIc 🫤
Israël meaning Zionists indeed.
@@cokkiekraaijeveld4617 Well, yes Zionists too but Israel as a state separate from Zionism.
This man is an example of intellectual class. He is heads above all the people who is critiquing him.
Well said
an absolute genius. and a poet. we are lucky to have him.
He doesn't buy into hierarchical notions of supremacy and inferiority.
@@azalia423 Ideas of superiority was what drove the Germans to commit Genocide
and it appears to be the driver of the Israelis and their supporters
@@thomasjosullivan9179 They also premise it on being c h o s e n.
The problem with people Like Helen Andrews, Cornel West, and that reporter from CBS is that they all want to skim T. Coates' work, then give an opinion. It does not work that way. Coates goes out, sees the thing, experiences it, researches the subject, gathers historical context, sits with the subject matter then he gives his take. There's always nuance. If you skim, you miss it all and Like miss Andrews, you end up angrily typing up a fiery op ed that not only proves you didn't read the material, but reveals your own racism when your goal was to expose someone else's.
Dokoupil read TNCs book. TNC skimmed middleast conflict history.
@@hadamerryweather577 What did he miss? I can't wait to hear this.
Exactly
He did not mention the history of muslim suicide bombers from the West Bank.
@@hadamerryweather577 you are part of the problem. Coates is critiquing nationalism, and you are still trying to find an excuse to justify it. Both sides have great reasons why they each should have this "right to exist". The way they are going about it is the issue.
Mr Coates doesn't flinch. He doesn't make excuses in the face of difficult situations or questioning. What makes him controversial is that he deftly articulates his position and makes people think about what they believe. He makes people squirm and feel uncomfortable - but they will think. Much respect, Mr Coates!
Wow, they carved out a place in the desert, where "nobody" else resided. Keep your head up Mr. Coates, sift through the hate.
@@flame-sky7148 the UN sent a bipartisan committee to establish a potential partition plan including delegate from Iran. They unilaterally concluded that the majority of the land was impoverished, largely unpopulated nomadic type people and small shanty villages outside of a few major British centers . Go travel across Jordan that’s what it likely looked like in 1947 nothing changes
it also sounds like they did that all on their own, but without the UN, the US and even the UK's help i doubt there would ever be now a state called Israel.
@@rygguy88888 I was going to travel to Petra a few years ago, when I lived in the UAE (so I'll check it out). The fact of matter is the British helped them starting with the British Balfour Declaration. Later the British divided the Palestinian and Jewish State. You don't have to divide something that is unpopulated. After WWII the British simply gave up due to the jewish hostility such as the Stern Gang, Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organisation), Lohamey Heruth Israel There was the support system of Zionism, there never was a support system called Wakandism to allow blacks to settle in their own home.
@@kinngrimm Correct, thank you for your response.
@@rygguy88888 The UN did not have the authority to establish ANYTHING against the wishes of the people who lived there for centuries.
Ta-Nehisi is brilliant. He understands humanity.
He only understands two things, white people = bad. Blackbpeople = good.
What could possibly go wrong with that ideology???
Not MY humanity and also I do not think him brilliant but he IS an ideologue!
He has solidarity with the enemies of humanity.
@@theonlymeaning the truth and the facts cant be ideology. You have a one track mind. Go sit in the corner, clown.
Not really. His understanding is limited, not nuanced, and he just rehashes grievances.
Israel supporters using "progressive language" one minute and then going off the rails bigoted when people criticize Israel is so funny.
Can't trust them
When you realize they're part of a cult. Then their behaviour starts making more sense.
"The Onion supports Isreal because it seems like you get in less trouble for that."
I'm a Progressive. But I don't believe supporting an undemocratic religious extremists militia like Hamas or Hezbollah is the Progressive thing to do.
We will point out antisemitism any time we see it. That's what Coates is. He went to Israel with an agenda combined with his sad, simplistic outlook on life and the world around him. The man needs serious therapy. Or he's just an a-hole.
Ta-Nehisi Coates speaks the truth to power. Colonial power. If we are to have an honest discussion of Israel and Palestine, then colonialism absolutely must be a part of the conversation. Israel was carved out of land that was inhabited for centuries by people who had deed and title to much of the land. In 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forced off their lands. That is fact and until such facts are acknowledged, the discussion of Israel and its "right to exist" will always be tainted by the stain of colonialism.
For centuries you say? I suggest you revisit the history because if you want to go back to who were the indigenous people of the area, it is the Jews. Caught you.
No critique that uses 'Wakanda' as a comparison deserves a considered response.
What you don’t see the similarities between Israel and wakanda? /s
No PERSON who thinks that's rational deserves a column to begin with 😂
It works great as an analogy.
He’s just exposing the truth. He should expect this type of racism and slander. Keep up the righteous work Mr. Coates.
His truth, he claims the jews are non indigenous in their own homeland
@@tl-ih8uku read it? And why not own apartheid? The founding people of Israel called their project accurately, why do y’all struggle calling balls and strikes?
Ta-Nehisi Coates is making the comfortable uncomfortable!⭐️
He’s racist. He is the one.
@@tl-ih8ukhe isn't lying by omission. H literally said he is presented the other side of events, for people that don't have a voice for themselves.
That's like saying a book about the suffragettes movement is "lying by omission" because it doesn't speak from ♂️ perspectives
That review would not fly if Coates wrote it and reversed it on her people. We would have congressional hearings about it
BIG TIME! You are right on!
Right!
The only reason the interview flies is because it was written by a contributor to the American Conservative and Compact Magazine tolerates it. Its really the messed up thing about our media, they think its okay to publish something and that its as legitimate because that is what is most side by that particular side.
🎯
Because zionists control 60/70% of Congress through "lobbying" and "campaign donations" -- fancy words for bribes from foreign agents.
Thank you brother Coats,....for not shying away from truth. Please!!! keep telling it like it is!!!!!
He has yet to be honest
Yes! It’s so important to keep lying! Tell more people some more lies so we can praise ur lies some more!
That review made me really wanna read that book
Why, is the truth so utterly painful to you? The Jews have found a place on earth (one that they emanated from but that is besides the point) wherein they turned a piece of desert into a modern miracle. In fact, most of the land from the original 1948 was the junk that was considered unlivable. The author spews his "feelings" which he is entitled to do but you the consumer of his work need not believe his stories to be factual.
@@BenjaminGolden-c5u Yea, with American taxpayers money
@@BenjaminGolden-c5uIt’s over the truth is out. You should read Ilan Pappes excellent book on Zionist myths. The blooming desert is the one of them. You need to concentrate on how to rehabilitate your country, to not be reviled and a pariah. Btw if you guys are so hot, how come you have to steal everything?
Liberia doesn’t receive billions from our tax dollars every year!😢
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY OVER 3000 YEARS ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. BLACK HEBREWS IN THE DIASPORA NEED A HOMELAND JUST LIKE EUROPEAN JEWS GOT... I WISH BLACK HEBREWS GOT THE SUPPORT EUROPEAN JEWS GET FROM AMERICA ALONE.. WE GET NONE BUT CONTINUED ATTACKS EVEN FOR SEARCHING FOR OUR TRUE IDENTITY.
But Egypt does and by proportion, the Palestinians did under many presidents prior to Trump and those countries are dictatorships with an unspeakable level of poverty. Arab Israelis live like kings by comparison to any Arab country. There are some rights, very few that are not given to the Arab citizens and that primarily has to do with bringing in partners from outside of Israel. As for being able to buy a house, there are some limited restrictions in some areas but if you could get off your anti-Israel kick long enough, instead of concentrating on Israel you might look at for example, NYC co-op rules which allow discrimination by the board for whatever reason.
Israel is a democracy and democracies can change laws. In Apartheid in South Africa, 14 percent of the senate wasn't black. In Israel, 14 percent of the senate is Arab Israeli and that is getting closer and closer to the 20 percent of the population. Is the U.S. senate 13.6 percent black? That's what it should be if we go by percentage of the population. There are four black senators in the U.S., which is four percent, but the general population is 13.6 percent black. Israel is doing far better with Arab-Israeli representation than the U.S. is doing with Arab-Israeli representation.
@BenjaminGolden-c5u "arab israelis live like kings by comparison to any arab country" lol tell me you've never been to many arab country without telling me
@lovescent46 liar. Qataris, Saudis, and Omanis are objectively richer happier and dont love in an Apartheid state as secind class citizens according to Isreali human rights organizations. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 What world do you love in bro. Be honest with your self. Palestinians live like jews just before they were gassed. Look it up seriously. Besides alot of jews have no genetic ties to the land anyway.
@@BenjaminGolden-c5u😂😂😂😂
I'm so glad that Ta-Nehisi Coates, as always, is succinct and on point. I've enjoyed reading his previous books, and I'll read "The Message" as well. He's one of the clearest thinkers on these issues that I've heard.
There have been plenty of clear thinkers on this issue in the past. It's just that they weren't given a hearing on mainstream media.
Read The Hidden History of Zionism by Ralf Schoenman
Respect to this man and I purchased three copies for Christmas gifts. He totally GETS IT☝🏾🧑🏽💻
Apartheid is the term
Fascism
When the South Africans were creating Apartheid, they came to Mississippi and took notes.
@@talia3280 One of the only supporters of the apartheid regime in South Africa to the very last day was Israel.
War criminal terrorist is another!
In America Apartheid = Segregation. Most Americans don't know what Apartheid is, but they do know what Segregation is an feel like.
Apartheid occupation and genocide will not be tolerated. This host is awesome for not only getting Coates on here but allowing Jeremy Scahill to tell the truth the other day as well.
Love this man...very smart, logical thinker
Yeah that was really racist.
Of course, that's the point of the article. The writer knew it.
the author used to write for The American Conservative, so no surprise there. Compact, where this review was written, was founded by two conservatives, so, again, no surprise there.
How was it really racist?
Where did the reviewer say that any race exists or that any race is inherently inferior or superior to another race?
@@grasmereguy5116 If you didn't hear the implication that Jews were better colonizers than blacks and therefore Coates, as a black man, is jealous of this "success", and therefore wrote his book out of resentment, rather than based on a research and moral truth, I'm not sure what to tell you. The article was LEVELS of racism. Not just a single racist comment.
@@grasmereguy5116 You're willfully stupid and your perspective is how I thought when I was 14 and thought racism is ONLY when a person says "Your skin colour makes you less than me because you are an inferior race and I am a superior race because my skin colour is better than yours"
If you do not understand what was racist about that get help...
She directly stated that she thinks he is ashamed because his people weren't capable of building anything good the way "the Jews did"... As if he has to "feel the shame of all africans" because "africans are bad at building things"... Just cause he's black.
That's INSANELY racist.
I think the title is incorrect. He’s not a little stunned by backlash. He is a little stunned by a particularly racist review.
Democrats believe that skin color means EVERYTHING, and gender means NOTHING.
The rest of us normal people know that the opposite is true.
Yeah if you listen to other interviews he's done, he knew exactly the backlash he would get from writing the book. I think he's mostly stunned that MSNBC would have him on right after that and frame such blatant racism as just "an incendiary book review." And then on top of that they subtly mischaracterize things AGAIN in the title of the video. Honestly pretty disgusting from them
This is the most pedantic nitpicky comment of all time. Congratulations
@@givepeaceachance940 Not really. The word 'backlash' signals something completely different than the word 'racist'.
@@givepeaceachance940I was also going to comment that he has also gotten great reviews like on The Daily Show and Zeteo, so “backlash” is just clickbait-headlining
Yes, the truth is explosive in its absolute simplicity. Thank you Ta-Nehisi Coates for speaking out.
My my. The ignorance of so many is astounding.
@@kaboom146 LOL you sure are a good example of Ignorance Kaboom
@@kaboom146 and ignore human rights? Ben Givr lies and steals land. who did that?
@@kaboom146 ignore aparthied.
@kaboom146 My my the evil of some people, especially zionists who are desendants of Natzis.
I have a question regarding Isreal. Why is the Israelites and their government so important to the US to the point where we allow them to act without guard rails. Why is in considered Anti Semetic when critiqued? Why is their PM not being held accountable for crimes against humanity? What the difference between him and Putin, Kim and other dictatorship
Because Israel has been lobbing in the States since the 1950s. Israel pays millions of collars to politicians. These politicians send billions to Israel. That way the cycle continues.
Israel and the USA are allies. We gave a commitment to keep.
Aipac lobby $$$$ is the answer . They have tight leash on most US politicians
I don't think there is any reason to it any longer. I think whatever reason there may have been has long been lost, its just so entrenched its now a thing we just do, Though a lot of it has to do with moneyed interests and the lobbying organizations that back Israel are largely backed by rich evangelical christians which deliver large sums of money to the campaigns of both democrats and republicans.
@@RazgrizWingsearch aipac lobby..
Could not believe how racist these people really are
They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
They're _Not_ racist. A "racist" is prejudiced against, or antagonistic against a person or peoples of a *Particular* ethnic group. What They *_Believe_* is that they are exclusively endowed - AKA CHOSEN - by the Creator to have dominion over, and absolute control of whom they deem as _"Non-Humans or Less-than-Humans"_ - AKA, those GROUPS that were _Not Chosen._ Typically this defines a "Supremist" who believes they are superior to, and has the _Devine_ power to control *ALL* other ethnic Groups.
Same to Arabs also brother as we talking
Leabanes left Africans stranded in por condition without giving them even some aids so they all thesame the middle east all are apapatied
@@AmartnjNjiez as black African who lives in Arab countries I haven’t experienced racism. Black person can buy a house anywhere in Middle East except isreal
Glad Libs ain't even trying to hide it anymore.
Between them and MAGA the country is f&@^%^@&#^
Thank you, ayman for having mr coates on to talk about Palestine ❤
@@HasnaaAlaa
Ayman is Egyptian.
They stand with the Israeli politicians, who are anti-Palestinian.
@@Danadane314who is they?
The 100+ million Egyptians? 😂
@@Danadane314 I'm Egyptian, the Egyptian government may stand with Israel but not the Egyptian people, I don't know ayman's personal view, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a Zionist, he's an MSNBC news anchor after all, I am just greatful he had Coates on
Heaven forbid anyone criticizes Muslim theocracies who openly discriminate against non Muslims if they’re even allowed to live in that country to begin with. Most of the Muslim majority nations hold on to power by force, being authoritarian theocracies.
My issue is with the double standard where far leftists excuse Islam’s bigotry, violent sexism, dogmatic behavior & their determination to convert the world into Islam. It’s psychotic and yet no one can say anything about it. It’s all Israel bashing.
I would take these people seriously if they attacked Netanyahu, who is responsible but frankly most of these people want Israel destroyed.
Not to mention how many Muslim immigrants have so much hatred for the west yet its the west the immigrate to not other Muslim nations. Why is that?
Thank you Ta-Nahisi Coates. You have articulated this incredibly well.
I definitely want to read his book now!
Thank you 4 featuring Mr Coates on your show and i will be buying this book just to here what this YOUNG MAN has to say.
I think he will OPEN MY MIND 2 THINGS I AM ... UNAWARE OF! 👀👀👀😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯
there are black judges, congresspeople, mayors etc. Does that mean there is no discrimination in the US?
Unfortunately, some people believe if a singular Black person is "successful", that is proof the other 44+ million Black people are simply lazy or not trying hard enough. When it comes to Blacks, the exception is the rule when selling the idea that systemic racism doesn't exist.
No. There are Palestinian Arab legislators in the Knesset. There's still racism and apartheid in Israel.
Well remember Senator Turtle McConnell said that the USA isn’t racist because we had a Black president. Yet TFG Trump referred to his wife’s ethnicity calling her “Chow Chow”.
@@comments8742 Israel wants to use the US to tear down the UN so that they can take what doesn't belong to them. They forget who made them Israel in the first place.
Yes
Younger people, aka the future, have been awakened to the plight of Palestinians thanks to Netanyahu and co. All the old cranks in the comments will be long gone by the time the youth get into power and start to change American policy towards Israel. I’ve been to Israel, and like many I was blinded by the lights of Tel Aviv and how westernized it was. I didn’t know the history nor the flagrant discrimination that exists there. Now I do. And so many more in my generation do.
This is 100% correct
Yes, young people are the one thing that gives me hope for the US. But it may be too late to stop the empire from crumbling.
Hopefully the youth will realize how biased & naive they are being.
Heaven forbid anyone criticizes Muslim theocracies who openly discriminate against non Muslims if they’re even allowed to live in that country to begin with. Most of the Muslim majority nations hold on to power by force, being authoritarian theocracies.
My issue is with the double standard where far leftists excuse Islam’s bigotry, violent sexism, dogmatic behavior & their determination to convert the world into Islam. It’s psychotic and yet no one can say anything about it. It’s all Israel bashing.
I would take these people seriously if they attacked Netanyahu, who is responsible but frankly most of these people want Israel destroyed.
The question now is how do we ensure that Palestinians are no longer led by corrupt theocratic tyrants who steal all their resources and lead them into unwinnable wars where their only purpose is to serve as cannon fodder or PR props.
or are you talking about the other thing? Where we pretend Israel has hallucinated the wars of extermination and terrorist attacks over the past 76 years, and all they need to do is lay off the hallucinogens and cut it out?
Maybe! Maybe not! Black students thought the same thing during the second wave anti-apartheid movement in 1976 and thereafter. Clearly, we were mistaken. The Black Panthers thought the same thing in 1968 and thereafter. They were mistaken as well. However, I hope so.
The piece by Helen Andrews (formerly of The American Conservative) is more bizarre than they are letting on in this interview. They risk dignifying it by treating it as political discourse of any kind. She hurdles in with a diagnosis of Ta-Nehisi Coats as a psychologically sick person, and moves on to a kind of Zionist version of 'you hate me because I'm beautiful.' I can't really figure out why they would publish something like this, their articles aren't always to my taste but they are usually well-reasoned.
Desperate
take "they hate us because of our freedom", and make it even more self-centered and narcissistic, and you get "they hate us because we are beautiful/superior".
western nations don't even understand what motivates terrorism anymore, which would be important to know in a "war on terror".
She is Jewish…Andrews is her married name. What an absolute monster…
I think of Andrew’s as a wannabe Laura Ingraham: attention seeking and awful
Why would you think it's bizarre? Even though there were some Jewish Conservative Republicans involved in the CRM, they have been attempting to dismantle racialized affirmative action since 1970 and actively supported Bakke. Black conservative Republicans were in cohoots with JCRs even though Arthur Allen Fletcher, a black Republican, was the father of affirmative action. Let that sink in. JCRs finally got their wish in 2020 with the Supreme Court decision dismantling racialized affirmative action.
Footnote: Fletcher turned down the EEOC position that later went to Thomas. He'd grown disillusioned with Reagan.
On Kamala Harris: "I suspect this is much more than about Kamala... I think we need to look a little deeper, what are the forces that make this so hard and so difficult".. flippin nails it.
Careful there. Someone might call you antisemitic for looking deeper.
Does any African country get as much money from the USA as Israel?
No why?
@@marklasky3555because of that review. It's a rhetorical question . This review compare Israel with Liberia.
If Israel had no western money and support, it would have become just like any middle eastern country.
@@someone-w9n Not only did Liberia not get any money, but America didn't protect their country/interests from other colonizers operating in the region.
@@someone-w9ngood question
No. But guess which community got more money than the entirety of western Europe in the Marshall plan and still has a failed state. Here's a hint, it starts with P and ends with -alestine.
Respect Ta-Nehisi,, well said ✊🏼👏🏻👏🏻
ALL BLACK PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY OVER 3000 YEARS ARE 90% HEBREWS. A DIRECT BLOOD DESCENDANT. THE CURSE OF HAM STORY WAS CREATED TO HIDE THIS TRUTH. BLACK HEBREWS IN THE DIASPORA NEED A HOMELAND JUST LIKE EUROPEAN JEWS GOT... I WISH BLACK HEBREWS GOT THE SUPPORT EUROPEAN JEWS GET FROM AMERICA ALONE.. WE GET NONE BUT CONTINUED ATTACKS EVEN FOR SEARCHING FOR OUR TRUE IDENTITY.
I’m gonna buy the book now. I’m curious and yes what a racist commentary in that writing piece read at the beginning.
You'll be happy that you did. He is a great writer and though the interviews have primarily focused on the final essay, there are other essays also.
Additionally, he did a great interview on Trevor Noah's podcast that talks about the book a bit more generally in addition to tackling that final essay. A better picture than this at getting to Mr. Coates' thought process as it has evolved over the years.
It’s a racist book so I’m not going to buy it.
I would save your money, if I were you
If America's government wasn't sending our hard earned money to Israel they would not have what they have the nerve of these people
Israelies did not carve their country out of the desert, from day one its was carved out of Palestinians, its social cohesion seems dependant on the hatred and dehumisation of Palestinians, Palestinians of all denominations.
It’s understandable but sad that many Americans (including academics and “experts”) badly *need* to cling to the myth that “Persecuted Jews created an oasis of liberal democracy and industrialization in the middle of the desert - all by themselves - solely because they were “superior” to the “barbaric Arab savages” all around them. “
I mean it’s basically the same myth we told ourselves about America - before we started getting curious about Native Americans. I wish they would get more curious about the Palestinian side of the story instead of vacuously repeating talking points about “Israel’s right to defend itself”. What Israelis most need protection from isn’t terrorists - it’s a mirror.
Yes, but let’s not forget the US supports everything Israel does and even finances it.
If you think Israel should give back the land to the descendants of the people they took it from... do you think the USA should give back the land to the descendants of the people they took it from?
@TPaine76 - You write, "What Israelis most need protection from isn’t terrorists - it’s a mirror." That's a very broad brush you're using there. And a slippery slope to bigotry.
@@JordanHunter333 It really isn't
You’re imposing a bs narrative on anyone who doesn’t support the Palestinian “cause.” A 70+ year campaign to annihilate the Jewish state. You cannot erase history for those, like me, who actually lived it & did not learn history from TikTok. You’re a tool for Tehran. Suggest you go live there - plenty of Iranians & others in the Levant who’d be happy to trade places. You can live under the boot of the genocidal Islamists you worship.
This conversation made me begin to read Mr Coates works. He is very knowledgeable and a great reasear
Did you just fall asleep in the middle of spelling the word 'researcher'?
@@haitiancreolewithluciano Yes, I continued with the comment. Not asleep, just clumsy fingers.🙃😀
His book “between the world and me” is amazing
Great researcher. He speaks moderately and with considerable clarity
I am from Liberia!! I’m glad my country is on the media 😅
Thank you, TNC! 🇵🇸❤️
Thank you ayman for interviewing this guest.
Yo that last review was extremely underhandedly racist.
Honestly, it wasn't underhanded at all, it was BLATANTLY racist.
Our own country has always seemed to be of “colonis-tic” view since the beginning. Not just with slaves from Africa, but also with the indigenous people here.
The original 13 states were colonies first, so yeah.
“seemed” ha…. Is from inception
Your comment deserves several hundred thumb's up, but this is RUclips, so I can only give you one.
To give a more honest account of slavery, you really should not leave out the Arab slave trade that went on from the 7Th Century until the 1960s.
Also, it’s not too late for Americans to give back the land we stole from the American Indian tribes, as well as reparations. And to give reparations to the decedents of slaves as well as demanding Arabians giving reparations.
Let’s stand up for what is right! And fair!
@@BeanMacdui How is it that you don't understand the difference between world history and U.S. history?
Great job Ta-Nehisi! Evey interview he shows he is above the same narrative that people are so tired of. Good on him for being able to keep what matters at the forefront of all humanity! Our mainstream news/media is so out of touch with the reality of people and truth.
Great book by a great author.
Free Palestine ❤❤❤❤
Took a while for Coates to get to this position but reading about it and experiencing it (as he did during his trip) are two different things. Regardless, at least he’s at the place he is now and as a “respected” voice of liberal thought he can explicate what others have been saying for decades.
That was wildly wildly racist omg
Sad to see this kind of nasty review in 2024... Thank you for your important work Mr Coates!
People who are committing gen/cide to maintain an apartheid would be ready to do more than just a racists book review if they thought they might lose some of their privileges.
The more people like this man in our world the better. Free Palestine
I'm surprised that Ayman Mohyeldin still has his job. With how deep israel's claws are in everywhere, especially news outlets, I'd have expected him to have been fired at the bare minimum.
Anytime you speak the truth, this is to be expected.❤❤❤❤
It must be unsettling to have your ideas met with such bigotry, yet what a contribution and opportunity to openly discuss these issues that may slowly open people's minds to the inhumanity behind colonialism.
If Jews are colonists in the Levant, then native Americans are colonists in the US. Seriously, the ignorance of TikTok historians. 😂
@@SN-sz7kwYes European Jews colonized Palestine.
@@SN-sz7kw he's not a historian even. Didn't even graduate college.
@@SN-sz7kw Uhhh, everyone knows that Americans were/are colonists in the US. We talk openly about that tragic fact all the time.
@@SN-sz7kw Read any new historian from Israel and you will see how ignorant YOU are. Try Ilan Pappe
This man is so eloquent and genius. Every interview he drops nuggets of knowledge that are so profound and moving. What a beautiful mind!!!❤
Did He say that "Israel does not have a right to e exsist"? No nation, no nation has the right to create themselves upon the bodies of others. It appears that people of power have begun to attempt to destroy this author. I for one will now buy His book.
If only Bill Maher would have Coates on Real Time. Bill’s too scared to do it, and would get smacked down, but at least he’d hear the actual arguments the kids are making.
I don't know how you can watch that. He's such a smug conservative nutjob.
Bill is such a racist. He makes his money off anti Arab and anti Muslim sentiment under the guise of being critical.
Bill Maher will only do that if They Agree with Him about How Evil Palestine is Oh right Maher is a Atheist Zionists.
Henry Winkler has far more compassion than Bill Maher does for Palestine for Gaza people who follow after Islam ☪ 🕌!
Dude is a die hard zionist
Shaking - this gentleman is such a great teacher.
The host failed basic journalistic standards and failed to impartially interview the author. Coates visited the occupied territories and wrote about the apartheid and racism that he saw firsthand. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and B'Tselem (Israel's largest human rights group) have all published reports detailing Israel's apartheid against Palestinians. The International Criminal Court of Justice also found Israel responsible for apartheid. Attacking Coates with his opinionated line of questioning and implying he was an extremist without disclosing his religious conversion and the fact his wife and kids live in Israel was deceptive
To say the least.
The host asked for comment !!!!!!!! That is journalism.
Your comment is filled with inaccurate statements. If you have to lie and exaggerate, you are not serious.
@@YahziCoyote I could give three fifths of a crap how you rationalize your pedantry. You know what you're doing and it's disgusting, perhaps justice would be for you to find yourself being policed the same way Palestinians are in the West Bank and Gaza. Then, through forced empathy, perhaps you'll understand their plight. Or continue to be a monster in RUclips comments.
@@YahziCoyoteand what are the borders of Israel when Zionism is an expansionist idea? Your word salad holds no water.
He is very brave to have written that book and to talk about it. I agree with what he’s saying. It’s just that people don’t want to listen.
People are listening that is why he is getting the push back.
It’s more than listening, though. What does writing a book and profiting off of the suffering of Palestinians do? What does buying and reading the book and leaving comments on RUclips do? We need to return the stolen lands in America to the indigenous American Indian tribes and we need to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves. Let’s not rattle off empty words, let’s address the ongoing colonialism and its destructive effects in the world.
My first question is how aid (and support) per Israeli citizen has America given to Israel since 1948 compare to any other African country?
How do you coexist with people who want to hurt you and remove you from the face of the earth?
You can't. Unfortunately, most of the "pro Palestinian" people don't realize this.
It was not cool to blindside Mr Coates with that so-called book review, which does not qualify as constructive criticism. You recirculated inflammatory nonsense that was best left where it was…unread.
Coates is a big boy. He can handle it. It's an" Emperor has no clothes" moment.
@@hadamerryweather577 No. That is not professional journalism. And to ask someone to respond to that nonsense without warning is highly suspect.
No one needs to protect Mr Coates. But we should not, as viewers, tolerate sub-par journalism. If I wanted crap, I’d watch Tik Tok videos all day….
@@hadamerryweather577 how is it an emperor has no clothes moment? Coates was able to answer against the review pretty well. Who is the “emperor” in rigs case?
It was. It’s important to show the audience how racists Zionists are.
The would celebrate black month to the fullest but once a black person says something inconvenient for them, they pull down the masks and reveal their personality that they usually keep for when they visit the West Bank.
@@mitchmitchell9588 The questions get vetted prior to air time. Didn't you know? Coates replied as best he could.
It blows my mind how sensible some people get when being confronted with the fact that Israel isn't that moral utopia they were taught by mainstream media. Also, it's not like there's a shortage of books describing how Israel was founded. Rashid Khalidi, Ilan Pappé, and Norman Finkelstein have all written excellent books on the subject.
Even books on Zionism written by Zionists openly state that Zionism is about colonialism. I don't know why Zionists are even trying to dispute that when there are several quotes from the founders of Zionism and Israel stating that they were colonizing the Palestinians.
All of the land occupied by Israel was brought about by the Balfour Declaration and guaranteed by Great Britain 🇬🇧. Included was the phrase, “Nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish persons. There were and are still many powerful political figures in Great Britain that claim the Jewish religion. The political pressure brought to bear on this idea of a Jewish state was from a powerful minority that wished to move the “Jewish Problem” outside of Great Britain. Once people started pouring into these lands, conflict inevitably began between the immigrants/settlers, the existing Population and the British troops there attempting to provide order. The “terrorists” including the soon to be “founders of Israel” began a dual campaign against the existing peoples AND the British troops.
God lead the jews to israel . He created that land for the descendants of Abraham. Many wars scattered the jews throughout the world and after ww2 the jews wanted to go home to israel , their God given land. So bal four was designed. Its nowhere near the big space it was in biblical times
@@Annegeddeisthere is no evidence for a god, a 2k year old book holds no relevance.
@@Annegeddeis Bros that's crazy. I can pull a fortune cookie that says my true home is in Israel. does that give me the right to fly to Israel and randomly take someones home? I mean...the fortune cookie told me, it must be fate it must be a biblical prophecy.
and that's what you sound like btw
@@AnnegeddeisI am sure you know Ishmael is also a descendant of Abraham. Also, you might have heard of the many mass conversions to Judaism during the Hashmonite Kingdom, the Khazars, in Yemen etc. Judaism is a religion many people converted to, and still convert to today
Yeah, I recall Israeli defenders using the Balfour Declaration as some kind of legitimate pretext for Israel, as if Palestine, conquered by a colonial imperialist Britain, was Britains to give.
Ayman, thank you for having this conversation
you can criticize God, Jesus, The President of the US, and every one in between with no issue. Dare you criticize Israeli barbarism and you are marked.
this host is so out of line - reading that stunningly racist review piece without forewarning Ta-Nehisi Coates is really low. I don't watch this show and only turned into this YT segment because I saw Mr. Coates was on- I would not ever watch this host or his show ever- who does this? @msnbc has fallen so low.
homegirl referenced wakanda i"m dead
Many of us like to ask ourselves, "What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid?What would I do if my country was committing genocide?"
The answer is, you're doing it. Right now.
Aaron Bushnell
Finally, a real writer like Coates and a real conversation, even if it feels uncomfortable. Coates is a courageous journalist. A lot of journalists can take page out of his book. He keeps it real. We need more people like Coates in our politics and media.
10:02 is the question and answer I have been grappling with. There is something much bigger happening here. It's not merely aligning with an ally. There is more underneath this war that hasn't been unearthed, but we will eventually learn what it is.
It's messianic fervour as well because so many US politicians are Zionists. Also rampant corruption. Think about it. American aid flows to Israel. Rich Jewish donors and lobbying groups who have business interests in Israel then "donates" money to campaigns of US politicians. It's a cycle of money changing hands .
Like what? Power, corruption, money? I don’t see some kind of deeper meaning.
We as capitalists and colonization here in the US need to stand up for what is right and give the indigenous American Indian tribes their land back. And we need to pay reparations to all descendants of slaves.
@@BeanMacdui right. You don’t SEE a deeper meaning. This is beyond what we see with our eyes. All of what you mentioned matters (and I agree with you). However, there is more to this and we will find out in time. That’s all I’m saying.
I’m definitely buying the book now, if ‘certain people’ hates the book. It must be good.
Wow. That quote is so loaded. Gobsmacked.
Ayman a great segment! Shining a light on this issue and exposing the hyprocracy and rascism is breaking through! Keep up the excellent reporting the mainstream media is generally failing on this issue. ❤
Crazy that I just received a notification from my library that the audiobook is available as I watched this interview. I quickly tapped my Libby app to borrow it. I can't wait to listen.
Thank you Ta-Nehisi Coates you are speaking to the heart of the issue that has allowed racists apartheid in all its forms to exist. Ayman, why blindside with a negative shallow review when you are interviewing with an amazing author?
Why does the truth hurt so much when it comes to light !!?? ❤🇵🇸
Truth rises.
About the truth, look up the meaning of the colors of that flag and then get back to us.
I'm buying this book and listening to it on an upcoming road trip. Just listening to The Barn and this will be an amazing continuation.
Coates does hate Israel. He doesn’t really dispute that.
Great interview, Ayman! Love Coates' replies. The sincerity of his answers shone through.
I love that Tony basically conceded that Israel is an apartheid state but suggests that Palestinians deserve it. Just give Israel supporters a platform to speak and they'll openly share their racist views without realizing how insane they sound
I've seen it happen several times. It's amazing when people you think are rational begin to sound like not sees.
Sharp backlash? I think you mean racist backlash. Both comments had a racist subtext, it wasn’t sharp, or nuanced, it was racist. Unless msnbc considers racist comments “sharp”
Only in USA is a factual book considered controversial
Excellent interview ❤
As usual Ayman, awesome interview!
Love Ta Hanisi Coates he’s absolutely spot on the topic of Israel and it’s existence
A way to identify false righteousness is to observe the react to criticism. Righteous people will stop to consider if there is validity to the criticism. A nation's people deserve peace and security. A nation's job is to ask, is this government providing that peace.