BMW M2 CS! Should You Buy One Instead Of A GT4?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Ever since the BMW M2 CS won EVO Car of the Year 2020, I've wanted to have a go in one. How could it be so much better than the already much loved M2 Competition? How could it be so good that it beat the likes of McLaren's 765LT, Ferrari's F8 Tributo and the insanely popular GR Yaris?
Even though the weather was a bit of a disaster during my loan, I quickly realise the real question is for £75,000, would you buy one instead of a Porsche 718 Cayman GT4!
From BMW:
The new BMW M2 CS (fuel consumption combined: 10.4 - 10.2 l/100 km [27.2 - 27.7 mpg imp], CO2 emissions combined: 238 - 233 g/km*; with optional M DCT: fuel consumption combined: 9.6 - 9.4 l/100 km [29.4 - 30.1 mpg imp], CO2 emissions combined: 219 - 214 g CO2/km*) is the first exclusive and limited-run special-edition model created by BMW M GmbH for the premium compact class.
It is positioned as a high-performance model above the BMW M2 Competition and will build on the success already achieved by the BMW M3 CS and BMW M4 CS.
• Immensely capable basis for the BMW M2 CS Racing model, BMW M Motorsport’s new entry point to amateur racing and the new Clubsport segment (available from 2020).
• New carbon fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP) construction for the bonnet cuts its weight by 50 per cent; eye-catching central air vent increases downforce and improves engine cooling; roof made from CFRP.
• New front splitter, Gurney spoiler lip on the boot lid and rear diffuser in
exposed carbon fibre.
• Six-cylinder in-line petrol engine with M TwinPower Turbo technology and 3.0-litre displacement develops 331 kW (450 hp) in the BMW M2 CS - i.e. 29 kW (40 hp) more than in the BMW M2 Competition; peak torque is 550 Nm (405 lb-ft).
• Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.0 seconds (with manual gearbox: 4.2 seconds); electronically governed top speed with standard M Driver’s Package: 280 km/h (174 mph).
• Six-speed manual gearbox fitted as standard for the first time in a BMW CS model, seven-speed M double-clutch transmission (M DCT)
available as an option.
• Standard specification includes Adaptive M suspension with Comfort,
Sport and Sport+ modes, plus M Sport brakes with red-painted callipers;
M Carbon ceramic brakes are optional; Active M Differential and
M Dynamic Mode (can be selected as required).
• Lightweight 19-inch Y-spoke forged wheels in a high-gloss black or
optionally a matt gold colour shade; shod with specially adapted Michelin
Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres.
• Dual-branch exhaust system enhances aesthetic and aural appeal,
features two electrically controlled flaps and four stainless steel tailpipes
bearing the M logo.
• Lightweight, bucket-style M Sport seats from the BMW M4 CS with integral head restraints featuring BMW M stripes; seat backrests in Merino leather / Alcantara and with red contrast stitching.
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Agreed!
Agree also
I concur!
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Wow, thank you! Really appreciate the kind words!
Its hard to imagine the channel without STG-HQ, such a natural environment and awesome to see it coming all together!
Couldn't agree more!
Sam. You have the perfect personality for your fun, light, and enjoyable videos. This is something natural, and undefinable! Good for you/us.
Glad you enjoy it!
Fully agree,as that's what i love about Sam's vlogs...
I'm excited to be using one of these for a track test this year, however I would put my own money into the Porsche
You could be your own Stig with your sim. You’re the Stg
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i swear the lighting and overall quality of the videos is like nothing else in the automotive circle and i would go as far as saying some of the best on YT. Top class
Thank you so much!
The M2 CS is the best car they released before EVERYTHING went wrong. Also, been wanting to say this for a while, I have been viewing you for about 2 years, and man, that's a lot of improvement of the video quality in 2 years! Can't believe it's almost always a one man job!
Is it that grille that’s ruining things for you with BMW?? 😂😂
@@magnustan841 not just the design language, but the commercial decisions they are making nowadays
@@bhargavshatrughna489 Like what? If it’s dipping their toes in the electric waters, then that’s no problem, they need to catch up with Audi and Mercedes.
@@magnustan841 I do not have any problems with them wanting to conquer the electrical segment even with some rather questionable design, but the way they execute and publicize it is bad. Like mocking their long time buyers for wanting to appeal to young people and making their employee the face of their mistakes when he clearly didn't want to, those are the worst mistakes they have done. I recommend you watch Robert Mitchel's video on this topic, he did a fantastic job of explaining what the heck BMW is up to.
@@bhargavshatrughna489 similar to what mr Doug Demuro had to say?
Oy oy, love that intro. Great to see you showing off some driving skills, I think that's the key that many "car reviewers" lack, and stops them reaching the Chris Harris level, good to see you pushing to improve that recently.
I agree. Sam should include a portion of very spirited driving in each video. I'd love that.
I like the CS but the GT4 just “tickles” me a bit more.
Crushing the content atm. I mean always really, but LOVING it atm
Thanks so much mate
Great video, I love both, but the choice I'd have for this price point or a little more would be a 997 GT3.
Love the gold wheel's 😍
Great video
Cheers buddy
Great stuff Sam! Loving the videos and the podcast, keep it coming!
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have to say recent videos have somehow felt much more engaging, might just be me, but keep up the good work. For me, a large part of the desire for a vehicle will be how it looks, and a 2 series will never compete with a car designed as a coupe/sportscar....unless practicality becomes the deciding factor...
Really appreciate that
A very hard question to answer! Yet again another amazing video, well done Sam!!
M2 comp with some Litchfield bits instead?
Absoluely love these. BMWs haven't really excited me of late but this is perfect! Defo this over the GT4 for me..
Cayman GT4 all day long. As much as i like the M2CS the Cayman GT4 its the Sportscar to buy.
Do you remember, the gearbox in the new GT4? If you don't, let me remind you. The gearing for that car was really bad. You could not enjoy the manual transmission in it at all.
have any of you actually driven the cars in question?
@@mateo991.2 what I said were not my words but from Sam himself. Even if I have not driven the cars, I like to listen to the videos I watch.
@@AyushK7318 I've been looking at 981's for a while (similar manual gearbox) and talked to many owners and they said that even though the gearbox is a flaw of the car it doesn't hinder the car completely as it is still amazing. I do think if you track a lot (like myself) the gearbox isn't an issue, but on the streets it is. I also wish it were shorter
@@mateo991.2 I have one and don't know what the problem is.
Loving the vids at the minute Sam, well done!
Appreciate that
@@seenthroughglass 🙌🏼
haha "25k", I see what you did there....
Haha. Indeed.
M2CS is very good performance and more "daily" usable. I love it and I think its the best Bimmer in a VERY long time, but 718 Cayman GT4 is in an upper and ultimate grade for its price.
Sam, your car RUclips channel is by far the best one out of all of them, I like JWW and SOL too, but yours is the best, truly authentic and always quality content 🙌
Always love the B roll shots of the cars around the streets. Look so good!
I grow out of a lot of car channels, as they got boring and predictable - or lazy. This channel here really developed into something great, honest, and entertaining. The comment section is also mostly great. - I really like it! - Great review by the way under these bad weather conditions.
Love the studio update
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Thanks dude
Drive a manual M2 Competition.
It’s an amazing car
The M2 CS is the best car BMW make but it's impossible to justify an extra £25k for this over a M2 Comp. You can take the Comp to Litchfield and still have money left
After you pick up the Comp from Litchfield, it'll still be a regular Comp that will depreciate even more rapidly since it's been modded compared to the limited CS. So in the end, you'll have lost more money on the Comp than CS owners. A modded Comp is not a better value.
@@84Lv10 I get what you're saying but depreciation won't be that bad. 2nd hand Comp under 10k miles is ~£40k so you've avoided new car depreciation. Most mods can easily be undone unless you go and cut your exhaust or something extreme. M2 CS is over £80k. Might not depreciate at all but still tough to justify £30k price difference. If money isn't important then definitely get the CS but if it is then a Comp with £30k to play with is better value package IMO.
The M2 CS isn't better, it's an M Performance marketing special - same weight as Competition, same engine, same torque. If it were more different or a CSL, ok. Look at the F80 M3/M4 CS to see what a flop they were also.
Get off your armchair and go drive one.
I owned an M2 OG and wanted to move to something else, because it was ultimately lacking feel and control on the limit. I tested a Comp but it was more or less the same, maybe 10% better.
But then I drove a CS. Finally a steering and chassis that is within 90% of a Type R, with the added benefits of RWD and more power. Much more communicative and capable than the other M2s. It’s much more enjoyable to drive quickly, and at the same time I’m more relaxed. Can you make an M2 Comp faster on track? Easily. Will I keep the CS forever? Probably not. But this car offers one of the best driving experiences BMW has offered in a while.
As always, great video Sam, love the content! However, GT4 over a suped up M2 anyday
Good job, Sam, we enjoy your perspective on these cars.
Thanks mate!
I love the little overlays you're putting in your videos. I'd take the 718 Cayman definitely. Although I'm sure the M2 is fast and quite fun, there's a part of me that still looks at it and thinks... it's still just another BMW
There are very few YTers I actually like these days, something about the whole 'influencer' world really grates on me. However, your content is really enjoyable and you remind me of a lot of the lads from my boarding school. I'm rambling now, loving the content Mr STG and here's to plenty more videos to come :P
Doh! I forgot to say. I've driven this M2 Comp at a film shoot for another YT channel and it felt a bit, well, meh and it's also very quiet for an M car. It was interesting to hear your thoughts on the M2 CS.
Great work Sam... even better than watching someone put suspension on a Yaris 😆
lol
Would never buy one compared to a GT4. But I would also never trade a 981 GT4 for the 718. The Cayman is a much more focused and engaging car to drive. The M2 steering is completely absent off feel compared to the GT4 and the breaks are much weaker. The M2 is also much heavier. The only reason to buy the M2 was 1) the M2C offered a much cheaper package and 2) you need to seat more than 2 people. The CS is utterly overpriced for what it is.
Thats not what all the best reviewers say. Car of the year. So fun to drive. Worth the premium it is rising in price. I can sell it for 30k more now but wont
@@thisisrob8750 reviewers can say a lot of things 🤷♂️
@@GreatMotors And then there is Chris Harris who even bought the car himself. Both cars are amazing but different. I'd love to own the Gt4 too. Every car guy even ones that dont normally like BMW try my car and can't believe it. Huge grins. Its a riot to drive its all about the fun. EVO car of the year amongst many. You think all reviewers got together and said lets say this car is amazing when its really not? Many top reviewers have purchased one after driving it. Its that good.
@@thisisrob8750 Chris Harris is my favorite motor journalist. You can see in his video about the CS that it was a wym, in the sense that the car is extremely more expensive than a comp, and it's not that far ahead. I am not saying it's not a nice car, I am just saying it costs too much for what it is. If you can afford it by all means get it. I would never trade my 981 for one.
Your HQ is really coming together .
Love your channel and your podcast.
Hi Sam Hi i’ve got a BMW M2 competition manual with the big break kit and the factory TopSpeed to 178 for track use.
Haven’t done the air intake yet or the exhaust. This is my second M2 my dealer did offer me a CS but I couldn’t see the £25,000 more in the car preps I was wrong.? But on the bright side I do have a GR Yaris coming in March. Which the £25,000 goes along way towards the GR.
Ahh so it was your self i saw driving i know those roads very well your brave man going up there after the snow/icy roads. But yes this thing has such a presence on the road menacing great video 👌🏽🤜🏽
Really does have a lot of presence in real life! Those roads were so slippy haha
I do think you're right and that the CS is probably more thrilling (not to mention more usable) than the GT4, however I'm betting that the cs will drop value like a rock even if they are limited production. The last gen GT4 has held solid at 85-90k USD for years from its MSRP 100-115k so I can't imagine the new 718 GT4 ever dropping below that. So basically 90k for a bmw (plus whatever dealer premiums) that will likely heavily depreciate like most used M cars or a Porsche GT product that has already lost any money it would have. Any one else have any thoughts on this? Cheers! *This is all speculation based on personal opinion so take with a grain of salt
And look at low milage 981 GT4s now. Still going for over 100k. M2CS with 8k miles just sold for 82k on BAT
Always have loved and will always do love your cheeky happy chappy attitude,as it does stand out from the others... Keep being you by all means Sam... Your vlogs always cheer me up... Much love from the island of Mauritius...
Thanks mate! Hope to be able to visit Mauritius again one day
@@seenthroughglass Again? When did you last visit? And hope to see you one day,if i don't end up in europe before then,that is?
If you where to buy one would you spec DCT or manual? Great video as always keep it up. 💯
For something this track focused, DCT. Manual I’ll save it for the competition.
Great video always interesting. Still loving the cars .
GT Porsche in the U.K. worth their money because of their appreciation instead of depreciation. It has to do with the limited supply something that is not observed in other countries. But a well specced GT4 is a bit more expensive than the 75k advertised.
AWESOME VIDEO SAM KEEP THEM COMING
Great content Sam! A "well rounded" video. The sim is cool, shots of you running down the stairs is somehow weirdly entertaining. You are correct, driving on ice is pretty normal were I live. (Michigan) Good Job mate!
I wouldn’t say the most expensive pedals fanatec do are essential for a first time sim ring buyer!. What I would say is essential is buying the fanatac load cell pedal before you build up too much muscle memory for that brake pedal, then have to relearn the load cell brake if you upgrade down the road. The load cell kit attaches straight onto those then use the existing brake pedal as a clutch. That load cell brake kit is the one biggest upgrade you can make to that setup which I think is around £100 other than buying the full think it’s v3 pedals for between £300-£500 I think it is not sure!.
Tbh, I think I'd still get the GT4. Love the car, but at that price I'm not sure it's really that worth it anymore. The guys from Team Schirmer (which I'm sure you know, but anyways they're the guys that build sick track weapons for the ring) have said it's not worth getting the CS over the Competition, might as well just get the Comp and modify it, and tbh knowing how well they make their cars I trust them lol
I'm one of those aforementioned with an M2 Comp that's been fiddled. Has a Stage 1 bootmod3 and it is even nuttier than the CS map I had on it. The low end tq is monstrous and, like you said "rude" and "angry" - with throttle response and excitement nearing V8 levels. I've had to lower the boost by gear 40% in 1st, 30% in 2nd, 10 in 3rd, else it's just rolling burnouts. I think it's perhaps a better daily than the CS since it's a little less *on the pedestal* and can be put in parking lots without massive fear. I would get the CS if it were a 3rd car or more long term collectible.
Great content as always, would be awesome seeing your guest set lap-times in a sim like in Assetto corsa (AC or ACC)
Going to look into it!
Just smashin’ the content lately Sam! Superb job!
This music is - how you brits say - bang on
Great video Sam. Having a budget to buy a car can be tough. I've spent about £8000 on my car and it has 305bhp, weighs 1.3t and is amazing, yet it's uncomfortable to drive long distances, you need to know the car to drive it and it's a never ending project. For the same money I could have gotten a 370z or something but I know I wouldn't be as happy.
I feel like having all these options is good because you pick the car that suits you.
Sam, the gt4rs is my dream car that needs some upgrades and a good tune to make it into my dream car and I'd never drive any other car after that, awesome content as always.
Never liked the design on the M2.
Or the Cayman for that matter.
I´d rather get a Giulia QV than those.
That looks so much cooler.
And then a million other cars I´d rather get.
But a nice video though.
Exited to see what you do to the studio though.
Keep up the good work.
It's an epic looking thing, but I think I'd get a low mileage 2nd hand M2 Comp and mod it ever so slightly with a tune, brakes and maybe suspension upgrade. Job done and lots of change for your £75 k.
Top video as always. Just a quick question, is there a plan for a video with Phil at some point?
Let me know where you can get a 718 GT4 for 75k... they're all nearly 100k on AT!
lets push Sam's subscription base this year. By far the most interesting , genuine and insightful car RUclips channel. I am a massive petrol head, but some of the other known vloggers are becoming unbearable to watch. Their focus has switched from car video content to massaging their egos!!! keep up the great content Sam.
Sim setup looks excellent
Chris Harrison daily’s a bmw cs that answer your question 👍🏼👍🏼
Best car channel ever !
Very kind, thank you!
STG HQ coming on! Keep up the great content 👍
Thanks!
Best editing on Car youtube
Great video as always Sam. Saw what you did with the thumbnail. 😂
Nice to see you driving on my little weekend circuit 😉
Love the sim lap board idea 👌
Glad you did this video these are the two cars I cant decide to buy.
I was saving for a Python Green Cayman GTS 4.0 but jumped on the M2 CS with manual transmission because it seemed like it will be more fun on public streets without the tall gearing issue that the Cayman has. With the Cayman you really want to rev out the normally aspirated engine, and then in most places you are already breaking the law at the top of 2nd gear. The Cayman certainly has a better exhaust note...it's a tough call but I'm really happy with my purchase and it doesn't seem like you can really go wrong either way.
GT4 is better sports car but if someone desperately needs the back seats I think M2 CS will be very good too.
Choose GT4 all day, every day.
@R A shall we compare their Nordschleife times?
Great stuff Sam.
Glad you enjoyed it
Without having driven either, I'd easily have a Lotus Exige 410 (out of any car in that price range):
-No driver aids
-A beautiful manual
-Lovely exhaust note
-Faster
-Better looking
GT4 and swap the final drive to make the ratios shorter... This is an epic car though, finally som proper M drivers cars that can compete with supercars for the best driving experience!
Great vid as always! I am considering the GT 4.0, however the price difference to the GT4 is not that big. Or all things are relative but considering how much both cost the difference is not that big...
Go for the Heuskenveld Sprint pedals instead of the Fanatec csl :)
The fact the the closest rival is a Cayman speaks volumes for the M2 variants
Yeeeeesss midweek BMW content
Good review Sam. Thought ECOTY was all over the place for 2020! Am sure an M2 Comp with coil-overs would do the trick (it should be offered with DCC in the first place for that money) . If you didn't need four seats however, I'd save £10k and have the normally aspirated Cayman GTS please!
I’m a BMW fan, but I don’t personally think this is as ‘special’ as a GT4, maybe on a par with a GTS. Can’t see the £25k additional premium would be money well spent over an M2 Comp either. Enjoyed the video though. 👍🏻
I love these. This might be a shallow point but the only issue is for the money they do look (to non car enthusiasts) like a standard BMW
Great video Sam.
Try WRC 9 on your sim rig.
It’s an excellent game once you get into it.
The 2 series and caymans became the driver car category. The classic small, lightweight, about everybody else forgot.
Great vid, love your work. Judging from the "slidy" outside shots, I guess you did not entirely turn off TC? Just MDM TC. Turning it off completely (hold down DSC button for 5 sec), you would have kept spinning the rear wheels through 2nd and 3rd for sure!
Only worth it if you track cars often, you like the exclusivity factor (limited production, although no specific number of production units mentioned) you like the extra carbon exterior and interior bits, the seats, gold wheels, additional bumpers, etc. I’m sure you can retrofit an M2 Comp with the carbon bits, likeJoe Achellies has done, and the carbon. So personally
Chris Harris did it right though, bought and m2 comp, got the cs gold wheels and..... litchfield suspension 👀
Brilliant work once again, Such a sweet car 👌
With 75 grand you could have a 2016 m240i as a daily and a 2017 Exige Sport 380 as a track car.
You wouldn’t want to bother wasting time and money buying a Comp pack and then modifying it to be like a CS as you would still spend 10-15k and end up with a modified M2 which is going to be worth less than it was originally as people want standard cars on the used market not modified - plus the Exclusivity of the CS is what will help hold better residuals.
I would still though get a GT4. It is just a step up in terms of quality and brand and I would think driving experience on the track.
Be that one youtuber thats original and by a Alpina that you can actually use to its full potential
Sam be carefull with that wheel. It can hurt people specially novice users. Keep it low torque. I wouldn’t get a GT4 or CS just because you can have a new or almost new R8 V10 Plus at the same price. It’s next level compared this 2 lovely cars.
Sam your Videos are beautifully put together and filmed. I kind of feel like the cs is just marketing to sell a few units. Shame really, could have been so special
Really appreciate that!
Timely video, Sam. I'm not quite "clicking" with my daily driver M2 Comp--it feels a bit unsettled and dodgy on uneven pavement. I've been wondering if the M2 CS was better in this regard...
This for me - has two proper back seats and more realistic gearing. Looks like a proper thug too which I love. Love the GT4 too however.
Down under the M2 CS is $140k manual a Porsche Cayman GT4 is $207k manual plus on roads and options. Quite a gap in price. Would you shop one against the other here?. One journo here, managed to put a BMW 1m on its roof. Not sure if it was slippery that day. Cheers.
Love the midweek video drop
Love the 70’s elevator background tunes Sam 😃
😂😂 this is such a high-energy video.. How many coffees did you have that day!?!
Great video. Also, happy 65th birthday! 😂🤣👴👴👴
I really do ‘LIKE the M2 CS, but is it really worth the money??? I would much rather have your 360 Modena than the M2 CS though... Sure you will obviously agree!!!
Totally different cars tho.... an M2 CS could used as a daily easily whereas the 360...
I know, but for the same money that is what you could have, put that in perspective!!!
I agree tho
I think that M2 CS has alot of userability practical plus that engine is sublime have to have the manual