Honda Prologue First Drive | Taking Risks
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- We do a first drive and technical interview with Honda Engineers about the new Prologue co-developed with GM. We discuss what's different and why this car exists in a world of first-generation EVs. The Hyundai Ioniq 5, Tesla Model Y, Kia EV6, Mustang Mach-e, and Nissa Ariya are others to consider.
#cars #engineering #technology
Index:
00:00 Engineering Interview
7:36 Pricing and Design
9:00 Driving Impressions
13:56 Final Thoughts 
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I feel sorry for this engineer having to be an apologist for the decision to partner with GM.
I hope he gets a big fat bonus check for selling his soul on this one.
That's the impression I got.
Chevys ev crap is really unreliable. Good luck Honda
Not really anything to do with GM if Honda isn't able to do it solo. No Japanese brand is in the game yet really so it will all be compromise.
He literally said the hardware is GM, thats not good.
I'm really glad they made the rear view window so small. I hate being able to see anything behind me.
Never look back!
ya, really.
vision is SO over=rated
And the engineer had the gall to claim that you'd know it was a honda by the excellent visibility...
When the band Boston came up with the song “Don’t Look Back,” it they were foretelling this vehicle
This is obviously a positive and you don't really need one. Tailgaters won't bother you, and you can just back up until you hear a thunk/screams and feel resistance. Less glass also means more safety and a quieter ride.
It's interesting how history repeats itself. When SUVs were emerging in the 90s, Honda hadn't done any meaningful R&D on their own SUV platform, so they borrowed one from GM (Isuzu) and called it the Passport. Here were are again, just replace SUV with EV.
Except the Isuzu Trooper was a great off-roader. It was a very solid vehicle…and being honest, Honda simply rebadged it.
Not sure about this GM thing.
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c my thoughts exactly, gm quality is not the same as isuzu quality
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c Except Trooper was not Passport, it was the Rodeo.
Honda traded Isuzu the first generation Odyssey (to be sold as the Isuzu Oasis) for the Rodeo (Passport) and Trooper (Acura SLX)
The two above me have no idea about how bad the Passport/Rodeo and SLX/Trooper were for Honda in the 90s. Isuzu engines were EXTREMELY prone to oil leaks, the bodies rusted at a higher rate than their Honda built counterparts, and they got ZERO support from Honda once the 2000s hit. There is a very big reason why you still see 4Runners and even Pathfinders and Monteros, rather than seeing Rodeos and Troopers and their Honda rebadges. That same misguidedness is what will cause this to fail. EVs are already not selling and sitting on lots, these will pile up on lots and the few who do buy them will suffer for it. Everyone I worked with at Acura quit right before this thing came out, including the master technician trained for it who had been with the dealer almost 20 years. That should tell you something...
In memory of Mark, this needed way more passive agressive energy.
In memory? Is he dead?
And more PIANO BLACK, too. As Christopher Walken says, “I want more PIANO BLACK!”
I hope not!! @@batitsogtsaikhan469
@@batitsogtsaikhan469 Unfortunately Mark died of a brain aneurysm last week... The autopsy revealed that the aneurysm was caused by a combination of T-boosting supplements and the constant sound of Jack humming B58 noises into his ear.
@@batitsogtsaikhan469
We all die a little everyday with these SUV reviews.
Honda feel, GM - quality, parts, performance, manufacturing
That should work out for Honda…
It's giving triumph acclaim...
All for the low price of $50,000.00
Yep. It’s STILL a GM product with Honda skin. This is atrocious.
Wait for fire recalls lol
Honda: Our customers don't cross shop with GM.
Honda: Okay lets work with GM on our new EV SUV. 🤨
that makes total sense
And it looks like absolute garbage and costs too much.
One time went to a honda dealer to buy an accord and they told me that they don't compete with toyota when I told them that I don't like their price and will go to toyota.
Makes sense because both brands releasing the same suv won’t result in a cannibalization of sales for either
@@singular9salespeople will say anything.
2:07 Change Vehicle Wi-Fi Name: "chevy trax" 😂
Man I can't wait for the trax review 🤣
@@nickschmidt7181It will be positive, car reviewers really like it.
"It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for em"
I don't see that Prolapse doing very well.
It won't. That's why they already abandoned the partnership.
The Ocho 😂
Bold strategy = charging almost $60k for a piece of junk that should cost slightly under $40k at most.
@@CarShopping101 Didn't SG just release a video on how SAVAGE the depreciation is on used EVs?
The interviews with designers and engineers is one of the things that sets this channel apart from the rest.
Other channels do it as well; this is not unique lol
@@2004cyrus name one that isn’t top gear?
@@dragonisa108 I wasn’t going to. TFL car and Alex on Autos
Jack: how does this product drive differently than all the other skateboard architecture products?
Honda engineer: it has a Honda badge and the inside is laid out like a Honda.
"DyNaMiCs"
Nope, it's not even close to being laid out like a Honda, it's laid out like an Blazer EV, all the controls are not where Honda normally puts them, it's where GM put them. This vehicle was a total waste of resources for Honda.
We need an ID4 video that totally goes savage
They do have it, they said in another video that they filmed it, but hated it so much they didn't wanna release it.
Which sucks. I get wanting to preserve relationships with VW to continue getting test cars, but the bad ones are as important (if not more) than the glowing reviews
One of the most hilarious things I got from the development of this car, I read an article somewhere that Honda engineers were frustrated trying to make the vehicle NOT drive like a GM product.
DNA matters. And it is birthed in a GM factory. And given a GM price. And ultimately it’s the GM price that makes this a no from me. I need severe value for money, like an Accord LX.
Isn’t GM very good at suspension tuning though?
@@grantdillon1083 Not usually on on their "lower end" cars. Honda has a particular ride and handling mix they like and apparently GM stuff wasn't quite cutting it for them
I could imagine someone out there paying 48K very top trim for this, but 60k? Unreal.
EV’s cost about 10-20k more than similar ICE cars. So it’s kinda inline price wise.
@@MrMystang92 it's kinda INSANE that a vehicle that is mechanically so much simpler and takes little to no time to develop thanks to cross-vehicle platforms and universal underpinnings PLUS the fact that another company helped them develop it for even cheaper ***gasps for breath*** it should be LESS than usual. EV pricing is insane. It's a genre-wide problem. Frankly though, I wouldn't care at all because I'll never drive one again, EXCEPT for the fact that every EV in my state gets nearly 7 grand in grants from the state from MY taxes
Dude. It's easy. Just stop being poor lol.
It's as easy as saying milk comes from the grocery store.
@@THESLlCKthe government is funding OUR problems using OUR tax money. The problem being EVs.
@@THESLlCK Mechanically much simpler, but the supply chains are more complicated and the volume, variety, and cost of raw materials that go into EVs are significantly more than an ICE vehicle. Unless there is a quantum leap in battery, energy transmission, and energy storage EV mass adoption will remain a pipe dream.
So Honda was in charge of the stuff that doesn't really matter and GM was in charge of everything crucial like engineering and development. Great...😒. And yes, everything that the interviewed guy said means this thing is the pure definition of badge engineering.
You mean like the Toyota Matrix Pontiac Vibe or the Isuzu Trooper that became the Acura MDX or the first generation Honda Passport that was a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo? I get it though from a financial risk standpoint, partnering with GM makes since, but based on the price it seems like your trying too hard to pay GM, Honda, and the dealership resulting in a car that's about $20K+ overpriced, just like all GM vehicles.
@@jefffaller8474the Trooper-based Acura SUV was called the SLX.
This interview hurts. Thank you GM fot letting Honda put your switches in a Honda position throughout the cab. You're so generous.
48-60k for this? As an enthusiast it’s mind-boggling to think someone would put that much money towards this.
Right? Lop 20k off each price and they'd be beating a path to the dealerships. But at this price, it's kind of nuts.
Welcome to US Greedflation. Where manufactures pushing shareholder value profits over people, and corporations remain clueless that the average American consumer wages have been stagnant since the 00s when you could get a new vehicle in the low $20s, in line with their salaries. Now the average new car is two-to-three times what they were in the 00s, but the wages are stuck there. It’s ridiculous.
@@colin-nekritz Don't forget wageflation as this is a UAW vehicle. EVs aren't exactly turning big profits right now.
@@colin-nekritz In Honda's defense, and as an actual Honda car owner, I can say that most of their lineup consists of extremely well made, reliable, and overall reasonably affordable cars, even considering the industry's crazy price increases of the past couple of years. This one just sticks out as "WAY too much money for too little actual value or even sizzle" IMO. You have other EVs in this price range that offer better range, more features (better AWD, etc.) or just more luxurious interiors for instance. It just feels very off-brand for Honda from a value perspective.
They'll probably have a discount before they get off the truck at the dealership; it's an EV in 2024 after all.
50 grand base is insane
Considering that’s what I paid for a max optioned RDX with non-GM switchgear and a tried and true drivetrain? Agreed
Jack interviewing jack
That's race-tism. And very very true. 😅
Lmaooooo
Absolute RRAAAAACCCIIIIIIISM
"thats a fact Jack"
Bruh 💀
9:08 Ah. Jack finally got fed up with Mark busting his balls and brought in a younger less bald co-host. Way to go. 😂
Nah, Mark wouldn't have been able to contain his absolute disgust for this one. So, they opted for a random guy picked up at Target.
8:04 60K for a crooked badge, that GM q u a l i t y lol.
that's just Honda now. I went to buy a Pilot about 2 months after they launched and there was some misaligned panels and trim
@@Suction_I had a 2014 odyssey and there are 3 2017/18 crv in the extended family and the panel gaps are pretty wide and uneven. Ive checked out other Hondas on the roads and they’re equally as bad.
I quit looking at new Civics because every other one it seemed had misaligned rear doors.
That’s what happens when you have Americans assembling them…not really Hondas fault
@@JDMSwervo2001 It's made in Mexico. Good try.
Yet another video from the SG that slowly saps my will to live. Thanks guys!
That's just Honda, in general
@@Tripp55 lately that is also very true friend...
I love that you guys showed photos of Bob Seger’s “Like A Rock” (famously used in a Chevy truck commercial series) playing on Apple CarPlay 😂
There's an EV residual value joke in there somewhere.
Honda: SEE?! We made you an EV and nobody bought it!
Clever haha.
They also discontinued their 40k€ Honda e 2 door hatchback here in Europe
Their global plan is in trouble lol
Fomo what are you doing here??
No tv here
@@Knnnkncht I was kinda hoping to see those stateside at some point. I just wanted to touch one, man.
This is a horrific crash and burn for Honda. Incredible listening to him trying to sell this sludge. Sad!
they must have been forced to do this. somebody must have pictures for blackmail
As he said, most people will just buy a pilot. It’s bigger and less expensive.
Why do you think that?
This is written like a Trump tweet...
@@matthewmarshall5730 took a bright joe biden to catch it
Hard to make the math work on some of these EVs in my mind. It's ~$20k more expensive than a CRV, and $20k will buy you about 200,000 miles worth of gas at $3/gallon in a CRV. And if you want an EV just because you like the tech or for environmental reasons, why would you choose this?
Because after 200k miles, the EV will have emitted multiple times less emissions than an ICE vehicle
Please update your comparison logic (gas really?) its not 2013 anymore. I daily drive an EV and after 80K miles its cost me cheap electrons from my garage charger, tires, and a bottle of washer fluid. I don't miss the 16-18 oil changes, brake pads or any number of "flushes" or timing belt replacements at this point what so ever.
Solar panels on the roof of my home will give me a solar powered EV. Part of what I'm doing to fight climate change. Everyone has an excuse not to install solar panels and not to drive an EV, as the world heads into a climate change catastrophe. And you compare it to a CRV which is nonsense.
Remember this isn't the first GM and honda venture together who remembers the 2004-06 Saturn Vue with Honda's 3.5v6
Gm using Honda engines = good
Honda using GM powertrains = dog.water
Using Honda's V6 was the single positive move in Saturn's history.
The second was their demise.
another truly inspiring car
No wonder I still see those things driving around LOL
Ideally it would be Honda engine with GM transmission. Hondas had alot of craptastic unreliable slushboxes throughout the years. @@jtpro0244
I'm leery of GM EV hardware (because you know, Blazer EV has been SOOOO good) but as long as it has headlights that blind oncoming traffic worse than Teslas, I will feel reassured that it's still a modern Honda.
The hardware is not the balzer evs problem. Its software (which can be fixed)
Appreciate you guys maintaining a mature and professional tone over the elephant in the room here and not resorting to lame jokes and basest instinct snap judgements about GM. That’s not to say it isn’t an issue - I think many people are rightfully concerned and trepidatious about this given the Blazer’s issues, but let’s see how this plays out instead of bagging it straight out of the gate.
I’m just thankful that this appears to be nothing more than a stopgap measure. Not that I’d consider one of these things even if it were truly a Honda, as it’s yet another goddamned crossover, but still
I love Marks very unique personality on these, but Jack has grown and can carry the torch as needed. Of course, we need that Mark Sarcasm now and again too. The channel is probably evolving to new levels and is my favorite car review channel.
I like that this doesn't look like an "EV" - it looks like a regular vehicle that is an EV.
I'm watching this abomination for you guys, that's love right there.
Jack’s look at the camera @7:21 tells us all we need to know about this vehicle.
All you need to know about what Honda really thinks about working with GM and their Ultium platform is that this is the one and only EV project they will do with GM.
nobody forced them, and they wouldn't release the vehicle if they didn't believe in it.
Might make sense at $22k.
$18k. Not a chance I’m buying anything from GM made in 2024. At $18k though, maybe I’d buy one for a hobo living in San Francisco who’s sick 😅 of pooping in front of dying Gavin Newsom CA businesses.
You are delusional. The hrv is more expensive than that.
Thanks Jack for getting the Honda engineering viewpoint.
i think it won't be long till it's successor, the honda epilogue comes out.
I give honda a salute for making a normal looking ev.
Type R money for a GM EV is diabolical 😭
😂😂😂
the Type R is a diabolical car in general. I could buy a Camaro Z/28, a real 7L V8 race car with plates, for the same price as a Type R. You'd have to get in a really bad head trauma accident to know your options and choose a Type R
@@THESLlCK Yeah, get a Camaro. Do they still come with a free TapOut t-shirt and oversized fake gold chain?
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c You really thought you did something here? The Civic SI gives you everything you need to build a MUCH faster FWD honda, if that's what you're after for whatever reason. At 50+ grand you might as well buy an S2000 and supercharge it, your buyers remorse isn't my problem. Don't take personal offense, they scammed you out of a downpayment on a mortgage, not me.
@@THESLlCK Buyers remorse? Did I write anywhere that I bought a type R? Because I didn’t.
You should go back to third grade and brush up on your reading comprehension.
This looks and feels like a phoned-in effort, that Honda did just because they needed something in the segment.
Even though they truly didn't... They just wanted to "save" money by not having to do the battery thing, which GM already did... Enter: many future problems that they don't even understand or know about yet... ie battery replacement, quality, reliability, durability, dependability, etc.
emissions regulations are getting unreasonably tight. They NEED these cars on sale to offset emissions regulations
Compliance car.
@@faheemabbas3965 what is it complying with? I can't imagine them selling enough of these to make a dent in CAFE.
When was the last time Honda or Toyota made a huge splash when they entered the market with a product? Hmmm....never. However, they still found a way to own the minivan, crossover, sedan, small truck, compact and subcompact markets that were once dominated by North American names. Asian manufactures operate from a 10 year vision and plan (if not longer) and don't prioritize stakeholder profits over product.
Kris’ tepid response to your prompt to get to the final thoughts says it all…. Good luck with this one, Honda.
I enjoyed Jack right after that jerking the steering wheel toward the ditch in a fleeting thought of just ending it all.
i've been a Honda fans since day 1 but it hasn't really impressed me much these years except with the SH-AWD. Toyota is able to come out with many different styles and models that make them even more successful. Hopefully, Honda can keep up and give consumers even more choices.
toyota is magnitudes of a larger company than honda is. toyota could buy out honda as it rn and still be fine. Honda could never do the same
@@ShaiyanHossain agree. We don't need Honda to be the same as Toyota but to be able to offer more models. Many other manufacturers are able to offer more. As a fan, I wish this can happen
The intro music off late has been amazing!
Off late (sic)???? You shouldn't have ditched first grade English.
@@jimjones-pz1tt pitfalls of not being a native speaker. Still far better than many native speakers out there!
Oh no, he added one extra letter. Do you feel smart big boy?
Every car could be replaced by an 8 inch ground clearance Prius (corolla cross is not the same thing)
No. When you drive a prius, everyone hates you. Deep down, yourself included.
Speaking as an owner that drives his 600+ miles a week
A horrifying thought
When sedans and hatchbacks are extinct and every vehicle is a crossover, what is it a cross between?
Honestly, that's exactly what I want. Essentially a JDM Crown Sport but just a little shorter, smaller, and much more affordable. The Crown Sport is drop dead gorgeous and the new Prius is great looking too
Are you high on Hexanol? How the hell would a Prius on stilts replace a sporty sedane/waggon or just any sportscar for that matter. Heck, it could not even replace the 7 row SUVs, let alone actual offroad vehicles or CUVs/SUVs, which have an engine with more than 2HP and an actually nice interior....
Honda Blazer has arrived!
At that price point and not-so-great range, what segment of buyers is this intended for?
EPA tax credits and Enterprise car rentals
People don't buy Hondas for Pilot/CRV driving feels. Most people buy it for the reliability. This is basically putting GM's questionable reliability and Honda's lackluster SUV driving dynamics together.
Hondas used to be reliable. With some exceptions, They aren’t reliable anymore. If you really care about reliability, you buy a Toyota product.
Honda's EVs have been a joke so far. GM's have not
@@MH-lk8md I have two first year Acura products which have been rock solid since day one. Don’t believe the rumors.
There is no way this car worth $60k. Even the Pilot tops out at $50k. You can get a Tesla Model Y for under $50k plus it qualifies for the tax credits
Honda locating GM switchgear. Like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
to summarize, it is boring and expensive.
As a mexican viewer I really dont get why mexican manufacturing is always a question with you guys. The only BMW M divison car made outside Germany is made in Mexico. The X5 an X3 also are made here. The Golf GTI that you always loved so much from previous generations were all made here! We sure still cant engineer cars ourselves (yet) but we manufacture them pretty solid.
People have flawed perceptions of reality and where "quality" products come from, look at all the "i don't want it if it's made in China " comments when literally everything is made there😂
German complexity + Mexican craftsmanship = Carona/Bohemia beer or a combination no one asks for?
I thought the Prius V has the cutest rear wiper, but this thing could takes the top spot.
I hate to say this but if I'm being honest, I hope the whole EV trend ends up being an epic flop. Just not a fan of the whole movement.
Honda Prologue, Toyota BZ4X, Nissan Ariya. All lease-mobiles that won’t last 30+ years. Depreciating assets and paperweights
How would you possibly know ow long the car will last? Crystal ball?
@@krane15 Try opening your eyes for one 😂
pretty much most new cars are lease-mobiles. Sad really.
30? They would be lucky to last 10!
This is the third channel that I’m subscribed to that uploaded a review of this vehicle within an hour lol. Though, tbf, this is definitely the highest quality of the three (those three being savagegeese, Tedward and Redline).
Honda probably set an embargo that was lifted this morning which is why they all released at the same time
Did Redline complain about the horn? lol
New to how automotive press embargoes work, eh?
Savagegeese is the best in my opinion
Review embargos
Nice job putting the prologue of the Prologue in the prologue of the video.
Ah yes, the cream of the crop ~signature~ Honda door handle placement.
sounds like GM had too much control with this one.
Sounds like you’re lacking basic comprehension
It’s built by GM
Um, that's how it works when you're asked to develop a product from another manufacturer, if Honda had "control" they would have built it themselves.
This looks light years better than the GM versions. At least it’s got that going for it
Who is the mute passenger, and why is he there?
where did you guys get the budget to hire a new employee
Its the embargo lifting day! I'm not sure if using the Ultium platform is the best choice but hopefully GM figures out how to fix the issues they encountered with it.
A month ago my coworker told me he saw one of these on the side of the road, during winter, dead. We said the name should be the Honda "Prolapse". 😂
How did he know it was dead?
@@Tool0GT92 No lights, being drug onto a to truck.
Source: I had to tell the joke
3:17 dang. That passport looks sweet.
This is an early pre production Honda Prologue. It is a prologue to Honda Prologue.
It makes a lot of sense for Honda to have worked with someone on a EV partnership. Am I happy it was GM? No, but I'm also not the target customer. I wouldn't purchase any first generation of a new model, let alone EVs. Honda will 100% make their own electric cars, but they can't afford to now. This vehicle makes a lot of sense for those who would never know. Not everyone is a "car" person.
Hardly anyone is a “car” person. People who subscribe to channels like this tend to forget that.
It save both companies a lot of money with an experimental product.
@@Sashazur the customer doesn't know what they want. If cars were built for enthusiasts, people would be happier with the cars they drive
Damn, Jack. Excellent interview/art piece
48k for the base 😂💸
Think there’ll be a stop sale on these, too?
I think this is easily the best looking EV SUV on the market now. No gimmicky tryhard future styling that will look dated in 5 years, just a simple handsome design. As a Honda fan myself I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed at the decision to partner with GM, but hopefully they hold up well while we wait to see what the dedicated Honda EVs look like
Hitching their wagon to GM is not a risk, it's a suicide mission. The GM version of this vehicle has been an absolute nightmare, plagued with so many electronic, quality and software issues.
Well, next up is the Honda bespoke EV platform. Hope it's solid.
really? any videos youve seen? i havent seen anything bad about their evs aside from the issue with the LG batteries they had to recall over
@@bradhaines3142 Their software is complete dogshit
@@bradhaines3142 The Blazer ev has a stop sale on it right now for software issues.
@@bradhaines3142 That LG battery recall was for the Bolt, which was years ago. The newer GM EV Platform (Ultium) has been having issues like you wouldn't believe. From manufacturing constraints to software. The Blazer EV (the car the Prologue is based on) is under a Stop-Sale order right now due to crippling software issues that have caused at least 2 journalists to get stranded, and essentially brick the car when plugging into a charger
Roads look pristine... Hello from Michigan
I'm changing my cars wifi name to Chevy Trax. prob my home wifi to Chevy Trax Lover as well.
great vid. thank you gentlemen geese for what you do!
It is the foreword of new models to come
Another crossover (that will be doing 5 under in the left lane after merging onto a 70mph freeway doing 45mph)
The disdain for GM in the industry is so funny. I know 3 engineers, one at Ford and 2 at VW in Tennessee, and they both say GM is the bottom of the barrel in terms of cost saving engineering.
they wouldn't need to worry about cost cutting so much if they didn't cost cut, ultimately costing them CUSTOMERS
I’m looking for some type of ev work van for use as a RV gear hauler. Potentially Merc or Ford seem to be the only option in the USA. When will we have more choices ?
What happen with the kia EV9? You guys seems didn't had one reviewed.
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video but I'm waiting for the vinfast VF8
I like you, but you’re crazy.
Heard that the vinfast has alot of issues
I thought that this looked like a nice car for $45k, then I heard $60K haha, WTF. This needed at least 350 HP at 60k, preferably close to 400.
We know you like your Honda quality and reliability, so we threw all that out the window and partnered with the pinnacle of automotive engineering, GM.
Stop order on the car this is based on in my area at least, so will this also be stop ordered?
Typing “Chevy Trax” on a keyboard made by GM and placed by Honda is a nice touch 😂
0:35 "Youthful, diverse design team"
Hallelujah, We're saved...
In 2005, Motorola partnered with Apple to announce the Motorola ROKR, a flip phone that was an evolution of the Motorola RAZR but with Apple's iTunes software. Connect the phone to your computer and you could manage your music as easily as you could your iPod. It was Apple's first look, first exploration into the cell phone market, but they wanted an industry-leading partner to help them take those first steps.
In 2007, Apple unveiled the iPhone. As an S2000 owner, driver, and enthusiast, I hope this his Honda's ROKR.
Yea the final thoughts summarized my point about EVs so far they’re still early in their development and no way am i going to be their tester for the car
I googled piano black cycle counter. No luck. I have no idea why those words were on the screen. Anyone know what that means?
Originally Honda’s press release stated that the States would only get FWD. Very wise to bring the AWD version to the states as well.
Man! I had to check my calendar for April 1st. I wonder if upper management in Japan is aware of what some of their rouge engineers have done.
Welcome aboad, Kris! 🎉
I dig the new dude. He seems like he is a perfect fit for the team.
"We placed the unreliable parts in different positions"
Love Mark’s new haircut
Welcome Chris!
AWD badge is crooked
It’s to help keep cost down
Omg the next Doug demuro on our hands look out guys
@@daveclark3829 "Quirks and features."
At first, I was what the heck, but realize I am a bit of a hypocrite when I a want one of the Blackwings over just about everything else right now. Also think the Lyriq is great and of course the C8. Interesting to see more and more collaborations with manufactures. Everyone is looking for ways to save on the bottom line and increase their stock price. That's what all this about.
You really have become one of my favourite automotive reviewers!
"It's not easy being green" sang the famous frog. "It's not easy working with GM" is the song that many others sang when working with GM. I have heard this song from other partner companies including Toyota, Isuzu and consultants. It was a familiar song in GM overseas operations in Opel in Germany, Holden In Australia, Vauxhall in England and their Latin and Asia Pacific operations. It would have been a difficult cultural journey for Honda to develop with GM. The product outcome tells a story whose final chapter will be written in sales.
I’d worry about a GM-based Honda. I’d feel much more comfortable if they swapped in Rover (Lucas) electronics
Rover? British engineering ? Really?
@@SkippyPB. They did it once before, the Honda Crossroad was a rebadged Land Rover Discovery, because Honda didn't have an SUV in that exploding segment in the 90s and needed something. They also did it with the Honda Passport (Isuzu Rodeo, which was owned by GM at the time)
That was cold blooded
@@Black-Villain ahh didnt know that
@@SkippyPB. Honda were also major partners of British Leyland in the late '70s and early 80s, for example the triumph acclaim was a rebadged Honda Accord (or Civic?) in the early 80s for the UK market. And the Sterling 825 and 827 in the US (also badged as the rover 800 series in the UK) were Acura Legends. The Acura legend for every market outside of the US and Japan was actually manufactured in a British Leyland factory
Is there a single reason to get this thing for 60k i/o Lucid Air Pure for 69.9k?
Heck no
Honda will still be around in 5 years. Who knows with lucid.
fully loaded for $60k vs base model for $69k (good luck getting at that price if at all)
I now see why Honda refillable has been in a decline, wrong partner. At least Isuzu was a Japanese company ❤
And I remember Isuzu SUVs were quite popular at the time, so it was not a bad partnership.