Cool to see you back in that bowling center. I'll be joining my first league in over twenty years in that same house next Monday. You guys are a great inspiration! :)
I bowled tournament last weekend - 43' Friday and 45' Saturday - I wish I had seen this a week ago. I managed to shoot my average but that wasn't good enough. The 1 thing I learned (and you made apparent with the 13-1/2 board target) is that on these longer and more difficult patterns ACCURACY is very important. In league play the target is a ZONE (3-4 boards wide) ; here the 1/2 board is the target. That is my new challenge - being MORE accurate.
Bowling this tomorrow night. Great video, will give the straight in front of me a try. These sport patterns are so good for working on accuracy, making spares is so critical!
Thank you guys, great time to do these going into the summer pattern change leagues,love the challenge,dont always love the score but thats the only way to get better
Hey, guys, you are just great, thanks for all what you do! But do you have some drills/tips for improving accuracy? To hit lanes you need and make it curve on the right breakpoint? Or is this only the question of infinite practice with throwing the ball? Maybe if you have something to say about it, you can make a tutor for us? Thanks! UPD: Please if you like the idea, help it with like, I am asking for it, not because of likes but because it can top the comment and guys can more likely see it. Thanks in advance.
i’m a little late to the party, but curious if rev dominant players would find success throwing urethane on the dragon? I’m a two handed and will be competing on it in a few weeks, hoping to be able to build out my arsenal a bit better. Thanks in advance!!
Hey guys I have an 8 game toureny on this pattern Tomrorow would urethane possibly work? Purple hammer or black widdow hammer as well as the hammer statement solid or the web tour?
You’re videos getting me back into bowling. Do you have a video on ball weight? What do you guys use? I throw 15 but tend to tire quickly, or feel like I can’t keep a consistent release. Not sure if it’s my grip not being quite right or need to go down a pound to not feel like the ball controls me.
I’m a big dude. So, I know they say 10% of your weight. So at 265 16 pounds should be good. I guess I’m just a wuss. I also haven’t bowled regularly in about 3 years so I would need to build back up arm, wrist, shoulder strength. But it’s kind of always been that way. Just seems like I have to squeeze ball to keep from feeling like dropping it. And I had 16 pound but it just always felt way to cumbersome.
Jeff O'Connor We’ll I’ve had the same problem with bowling league with a 15 pound ball and it would start to get a little too heavy for me have way thru the second game. So I drop down to a 14 pound ball and keep my spare ball at a 15. I think you should try that out coming back in bowling I’m not saying that’s the cheapest wast but I for sure it’s the best way to save your arm in the future. By the the way I weight 210 and my average with my current 14 pound ball is 158 I just finished my league yesterday I’ve only lost a couple pins since I’ve changed my ball weight. And idea weight for a ball should be 14-16. A 14 should push thru the pins just as good as a 16 depending on your ball speed.
This is a great video, but what about us league bowlers. We get 10 mins of practice before a tournament, and of course with 10 people trying to warm up, that leaves you 3 maybe 4 shots to get dialed in. If you had to pick a ball before a tournament and could only take 4 practice shots, how would you use them?
The rule of 31 applies only to the exit point of a pattern, not the break point. The breakpoint is defined by the highest volume of forward oil on the pattern, minus 3. For this you need to see the load sheet. On the bottom is a bar graph, each bar represents a board. There are 2 colors. Red and green. Red is forward oil, green is reverse oil. Find the tallest Red bar closest to your side of the lane. Whatever board that is, subtract 3. Now go up and look at how long the forward oil is. Most patterns have a buffer sequence. Ignore the buffer. The length of the forward oil determines how far to the hook point. For our 43' house shot that is 5:1 , break point is the 7 board at 39' . The ball hooks off that spot until it exits at the 12 board and rolls Into the pocket. As friction builds up in this area, you have to migrate to create more angle in the oil to both retain energy to skid through the transition to friction, and to overcome the friction enough to turn towards exiting on the 12 board at 43' At another house I bowl, the breakpoint is either the 3 board at 35', the 8 board at 40' or the 15th board at 42' with the exit board at 14. The shot is not tapered. The lane man carries the house records and the state record for highest state association average. On fresh, this formula is almost perfect, regardless of the house. As the pattern breaks down there will be a zone that developes in that region of the lane, faster if everyone knows to target there, slower if only 1 person does.
Confused. Both of you agree the lane is easier with friction. Both of you agree that when oil is downlane, ball reaction is tougher. When bowling on short, why do both of you opt for urethane? There is already plenty of friction, and the urethane balls carry oil down, creating a lower scoring environment on shorter easier patterns. What gives? Resin on more length to eat the pattern up and create friction for high scores is the norm. Yet pros feel the need to do the opposite on short, effectively creating a worse environment, eventually forcing themselves into reactive only to get stuck in mediocre ball reaction late in blocks...
@@BradandKyleBowl it doesnt really help me lol. If youre trying to help people, stop defending high rev rate. Inform bowlers who arent on tour. Bowlers who arent on tour tend to have lower rev rates. Been to a short pattern tournament that isnt on tour? People with sub 300 revrate throwing urethane...why? Because tour players do it. Youre literally making low revrate bowlers worse by default. Claiming it keeps you out of trouble. How many sub 450 rpm guys have won with urethane in the last 8 years on tour?
Love the video. I may have to give urethane a try on the extremely dry, wooden lanes I play on. I'm using a Hustle right now with 4000 grit finish. Just doesn't have much energy by the time it gets to the pins.
@@richardallen2724 your logic is majorly flawed...ok look, i have at best a 375 rev, trash compared to pros, and the house i bowl at friction doesnt exist. And yet my highest game at said house is a 299. So why is that? Cause my agressive bowling balls will either hook to much or not enough, so i would pull out my urathane simply stand around 7-10 throw straight up 5, and it would crush the pocket almost every time. Everything brad and kyle is saying is right dude...saying they are making bowlers worse is the most ignorant thing i heard in a while. To add to my statement another house i bowl at is very hook happy and will force me to stand way farther left than i want too so i pop out the ol urathane and problem solved
@@MotivGuy94 we bowl on very heavy oil on tour and in the region. 24mls minimum. On less than 35ft, thats thick. Your house that hooks, i doubt has a new surface...i also doubt they run such a heavy concentration either. On lighter volumes of oil, urethane can thrive. Lower revrate, im sure you like to play closer to the friction...where there are even less mls of oil. My logic isnt flawed. I grew up throwing urethane before resin was even born. When they ran lighter oil volumes. Your urethane ball does work great for you im sure, but lets take into account your environment first...you yourself even said that the environment hooks. The environment im describing is what these guys see on tour at the top level.
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These two are so in sync 😂 You can really tell these guys are not just bowling partners, but real genuine friends
Your content is extremely helpful for amateurs like myself. I'm trying to up my game and your advice helps a ton.
10 min video? Heck yeah my dudes!
Cool to see you back in that bowling center. I'll be joining my first league in over twenty years in that same house next Monday. You guys are a great inspiration! :)
Great job fellas, simplifying it. I love it. I really like you guys, and your videos. Makes me want to take lessons from you. Keep it up
I bowled tournament last weekend - 43' Friday and 45' Saturday - I wish I had seen this a week ago. I managed to shoot my average but that wasn't good enough. The 1 thing I learned (and you made apparent with the 13-1/2 board target) is that on these longer and more difficult patterns ACCURACY is very important. In league play the target is a ZONE (3-4 boards wide) ; here the 1/2 board is the target. That is my new challenge - being MORE accurate.
Same here and being consistent.
Love it! Thank you and please keep the Tutorial Mode up 😉
Bowling this tomorrow night. Great video, will give the straight in front of me a try. These sport patterns are so good for working on accuracy, making spares is so critical!
Thank you!I am in a league.but......This is the pattern is on the lane. IT HELPED SO MUCH
I bowled on dragon pattern last week as sport pattern practice games. It was tough. Recommend is heavy oil ball.
ty bruzzah
Thank you guys so much . I hope you will continue to do more oil patterns in the future this really helps 🎳🔥
Thanks for watching
I love watching you guys!! Thank you for what you do for this great game!
New lighting? New Camera? Looks awesome boys, great work!
Thank you guys, great time to do these going into the summer pattern change leagues,love the challenge,dont always love the score but thats the only way to get better
The new intro is amazing
Nice informative video guys. Thanks a lot!
Will the double cross urethane be good for that oil pattern
Hey, guys, you are just great, thanks for all what you do!
But do you have some drills/tips for improving accuracy? To hit lanes you need and make it curve on the right breakpoint? Or is this only the question of infinite practice with throwing the ball? Maybe if you have something to say about it, you can make a tutor for us?
Thanks!
UPD: Please if you like the idea, help it with like, I am asking for it, not because of likes but because it can top the comment and guys can more likely see it. Thanks in advance.
The lighting is great! Doesn’t look like you’re in front of a green screen anymore
Thanks for this insightful video!
Thanks for watching
You guys are great!! Thanks for all of the good information.
Very very helpful ! Thanks
bowling on this pattern this saturday in a youth league!
Brad. Love your shirt ! Is that available on the storm website ?
Love the tip. Great video!
Helps me out on medium patterns
Love this video more like these please very helpful
i’m a little late to the party, but curious if rev dominant players would find success throwing urethane on the dragon? I’m a two handed and will be competing on it in a few weeks, hoping to be able to build out my arsenal a bit better. Thanks in advance!!
Hey guys I have an 8 game toureny on this pattern Tomrorow would urethane possibly work? Purple hammer or black widdow hammer as well as the hammer statement solid or the web tour?
Hey Brad and Kyle, any tips on bowling the Great Wall of China pattern
Brad used the Super Sonic like he was on his first date with a Sorority girl🤣
I play on this patter next week. I'm lefty. Where would I stand and throw the ball as a lefty? Thank u!
Do you ever go back to a ball you started with? Like it started out well then, transition killed the shape but, then maybe more transition/carry down.
Like these videos for us bowling "geeks". You both throw it a hundred times better than me though😔
Tip for bowling the dragon pattern: " Dracarys!"
Anthony Nevi 😂😂😂
*smirks like the night king
😂😭
Kyle, would the Web be a ball you might consider after this pattern had broken down a bit?
You’re videos getting me back into bowling. Do you have a video on ball weight? What do you guys use? I throw 15 but tend to tire quickly, or feel like I can’t keep a consistent release. Not sure if it’s my grip not being quite right or need to go down a pound to not feel like the ball controls me.
Jeff O'Connor Hey Jeff if you don’t mind me ask. What’s your body weight?
I’m a big dude. So, I know they say 10% of your weight. So at 265 16 pounds should be good. I guess I’m just a wuss. I also haven’t bowled regularly in about 3 years so I would need to build back up arm, wrist, shoulder strength. But it’s kind of always been that way. Just seems like I have to squeeze ball to keep from feeling like dropping it. And I had 16 pound but it just always felt way to cumbersome.
Jeff O'Connor We’ll I’ve had the same problem with bowling league with a 15 pound ball and it would start to get a little too heavy for me have way thru the second game. So I drop down to a 14 pound ball and keep my spare ball at a 15. I think you should try that out coming back in bowling I’m not saying that’s the cheapest wast but I for sure it’s the best way to save your arm in the future. By the the way I weight 210 and my average with my current 14 pound ball is 158 I just finished my league yesterday I’ve only lost a couple pins since I’ve changed my ball weight. And idea weight for a ball should be 14-16. A 14 should push thru the pins just as good as a 16 depending on your ball speed.
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Thanks for watching
It’s funny to see your guys old videos bc now you guys are both sponsored by storm ⛈
This is a great video, but what about us league bowlers. We get 10 mins of practice before a tournament, and of course with 10 people trying to warm up, that leaves you 3 maybe 4 shots to get dialed in. If you had to pick a ball before a tournament and could only take 4 practice shots, how would you use them?
Do they still use Shark?
1:15 alright
How do I get personalized instruction from you good fellas?
Thanks for watching. :bowling: You can join our coaching class - bradandkyle.uscreen.io/
Brad and Kyle
So did the rule of “31” go out the window for this pattern?
The rule of 31 applies only to the exit point of a pattern, not the break point.
The breakpoint is defined by the highest volume of forward oil on the pattern, minus 3.
For this you need to see the load sheet. On the bottom is a bar graph, each bar represents a board. There are 2 colors. Red and green.
Red is forward oil, green is reverse oil.
Find the tallest Red bar closest to your side of the lane. Whatever board that is, subtract 3.
Now go up and look at how long the forward oil is. Most patterns have a buffer sequence. Ignore the buffer. The length of the forward oil determines how far to the hook point.
For our 43' house shot that is 5:1 , break point is the 7 board at 39' . The ball hooks off that spot until it exits at the 12 board and rolls Into the pocket.
As friction builds up in this area, you have to migrate to create more angle in the oil to both retain energy to skid through the transition to friction, and to overcome the friction enough to turn towards exiting on the 12 board at 43'
At another house I bowl, the breakpoint is either the 3 board at 35', the 8 board at 40' or the 15th board at 42' with the exit board at 14. The shot is not tapered. The lane man carries the house records and the state record for highest state association average.
On fresh, this formula is almost perfect, regardless of the house. As the pattern breaks down there will be a zone that developes in that region of the lane, faster if everyone knows to target there, slower if only 1 person does.
Confused. Both of you agree the lane is easier with friction. Both of you agree that when oil is downlane, ball reaction is tougher.
When bowling on short, why do both of you opt for urethane? There is already plenty of friction, and the urethane balls carry oil down, creating a lower scoring environment on shorter easier patterns. What gives?
Resin on more length to eat the pattern up and create friction for high scores is the norm. Yet pros feel the need to do the opposite on short, effectively creating a worse environment, eventually forcing themselves into reactive only to get stuck in mediocre ball reaction late in blocks...
You want the urethane to push oil down so you can switch to reactive later on and have it push further down the lane.
@@BradandKyleBowl it doesnt really help me lol. If youre trying to help people, stop defending high rev rate. Inform bowlers who arent on tour. Bowlers who arent on tour tend to have lower rev rates. Been to a short pattern tournament that isnt on tour? People with sub 300 revrate throwing urethane...why? Because tour players do it. Youre literally making low revrate bowlers worse by default. Claiming it keeps you out of trouble.
How many sub 450 rpm guys have won with urethane in the last 8 years on tour?
Love the video. I may have to give urethane a try on the extremely dry, wooden lanes I play on. I'm using a Hustle right now with 4000 grit finish. Just doesn't have much energy by the time it gets to the pins.
@@richardallen2724 your logic is majorly flawed...ok look, i have at best a 375 rev, trash compared to pros, and the house i bowl at friction doesnt exist. And yet my highest game at said house is a 299. So why is that? Cause my agressive bowling balls will either hook to much or not enough, so i would pull out my urathane simply stand around 7-10 throw straight up 5, and it would crush the pocket almost every time. Everything brad and kyle is saying is right dude...saying they are making bowlers worse is the most ignorant thing i heard in a while.
To add to my statement another house i bowl at is very hook happy and will force me to stand way farther left than i want too so i pop out the ol urathane and problem solved
@@MotivGuy94 we bowl on very heavy oil on tour and in the region. 24mls minimum. On less than 35ft, thats thick.
Your house that hooks, i doubt has a new surface...i also doubt they run such a heavy concentration either. On lighter volumes of oil, urethane can thrive. Lower revrate, im sure you like to play closer to the friction...where there are even less mls of oil. My logic isnt flawed. I grew up throwing urethane before resin was even born. When they ran lighter oil volumes. Your urethane ball does work great for you im sure, but lets take into account your environment first...you yourself even said that the environment hooks.
The environment im describing is what these guys see on tour at the top level.
Brad you blind me
this pattern blows.