I saw another guy replacing the same Air bags in his. He heated them up with close to boiling water and then rolled it up like a sausage and ziptied it in that shape. They he just slid it right in clipping the zipties as it went in. Just another option. I am getting ready to replace both my rear and front air bags. Going to be fun.
I did mine a few months back. It was by far the most physically demanding job I've done to date on our 94. It took me two days to get over it lol. Well done on another great video for the P30 owners.
You are so talented! I came across this video looking how to install a radiator on a 454. Idk how it brought me to this but the fast forward in the video cracked me up. Ha! Maybe I'll need this in the future, so I have subscribed.
Very good video. I just bought an older Damon Challenger (P30) and I've been redoing everything upfront. I was changing shocks when I saw that my bags were rotted out. Thanks for some much-needed info!
The best tool I found for cutting out the old bags is about a 12" long serrated butcher knife. I started out with a razor knife on the first one, trying to work my way around it and having to move back and forth in front of and then behind the wheel. I eventually got the first bag out but I thought there had to be a better way, then I got the idea to use a butcher knife on the second bag. It easily sliced completely through the bag at each opening in the coil spring from one side without having me having to move back and forth around the wheel or remove the wheel. After slicing the bag completely through at each opening of the spring, I was able to pull a little of it through the coil spring, cut through the ribbon with the knife, and then pull it out the vice grips. Using that method, I got the second one out in less than 15 minutes completely from one side of the coil spring.
Thanks very much.I have a '96 Cruisemaster on a P30 chassis.This is helpful.I live in Wales,UK,and will get this job done.I have the valve to pump up the bags already in the waste hatch,it's showing 70 psi,but bags must be original ones.WD 40,good idea.Thanks for that GARGANTUAN EFFORT👍
Options: 1. Brake bleed vacuum then attach hose and pump the air out of the bags. 2. Use radiator hose clamps 3 & 4in type. Slip over bag then use drill to close them down in size to slip thru hole.
I highly recommend AirLift brand bag system as keep 5lbs min at all times and lifetime warranty. They have very helpful staff to answer questions too. #AirLift
Thank you so much, i saw a comment about using a moving car to deflate the bags before inserting them. Is that safe? Having a hell of a time trying to fold these over by hand.
The reason those airbags are there in the first place is that the chassis manufacturer didn't know how the coach manufacturer would load the chassis. If you get a front axle weight at a truck scale, you can order springs that will be correct for any conceivable load you might put on the vehicle - without the need for air bags. Supersteer and others sell them, they're not terribly expensive, and removing the lower control arm is certainly not more of a hassle than trying to finesse airbags in and out of the springs.
We did just that and ditching those shitty (and unsafe) bags made major improvements to both spring compression on rough roads well as making for much better and more stable bump steer. Those bags should of never been allowed by DOT / NHTSA. Then again WH owned by GM back then and we all know just how poorly designed all things GM are.
I noticed you only have one shock on each side. I have a total of 3 on each side of my front..Do you have a p30 chassis or is this uncommon? For the p30 chassis
A different RUclips poster with the same P-30 chassis Winnebago separated the lower ball joint and removed the springs to make the installation. Way more work. Glad to know the air assist bags can be installed this way. I'll be doing mine this summer -- I have the exact same Winnebago, year, color, length etc. My paperwork says mine is equipped with an anti-sway feature -- that inflates/deflates the bags according to lean at speed. I need to look into that. Concerned about the upper spacer that seemed to be omitted. You say it wouldn't fit? Also glad you didn't slice open a finger with the razor knife -- it looked close a few times.
I probably should have put it in and pinned it up there somehow before putting in the bag, im worried about it too, but when the bag was in there was no room on top and i couldnt get it in. Interesting about anti sway feature ill have to see if i have that too, may explain some things..
Seems like the lack of a spacer would "affect the the effect" of the bags -- maybe not as effective, Wow, what a wordsmith I be, eh? The more I think of it, the "anti-lean" thing would have to have a mechanism, pump and lines going to the airbags, which I haven't found on my Superchief. I think it may have been an available option, but absent on mine. I did look closely at the front ones, and lordy, are they junk. A friend recommended that just before installing the bags, he puts them in hot water to make them more pliable -- and to use thick gloves to get them through the lower A-frame. He also recommended open gear lube -- and a generous amount. It reduces friction between the bag and the spring and has pretty good staying power. BTW, where did you get the bag kit and how much was it? Thanks, Mike
How to do your headlights I own a super chief also same year just a 27rq I put my new led headlights in and not turning on but I put the old one back and it's working the new ones check out as they are new and working to help me out thx
About 6 hours, nothing was very physically demanding except for taking the tires off and putting them back on, i'd say if you're in good shape go for it! I knew an 80 year old boxer that could move faster than i could blink and could royally kick my ass if he wanted. I used to have an overweight friend MY age and could barely walk out the front door. Don't let the number of "age" define what you are capable of, if you want to do your brakes, do your brakes. But health matters so dont ignore that either. Be careful :)
Class A Living ...thx for the feedback. i know what you mean about working with the tire and rim. my main concern would be hand strength. old age has robbed me of most of my hand strength. ive watched you and others compressing the bag and shoving the bag through the hole. i dunno about that for me. rest of it i can do....would just take me longer. maybe double the time of yours. maybe three times. i aint worried about the total time. I AM WORRIED ABOUT HAND STRENGTH. I guess i could try..and if i fail...then get a younger dude to finish it. thx again.
Oh yes i forgot about that, that was a bit of a pain. Just because the hole was so small. Perhaps if you removed the spring entirely. It would be more work (more steps i mean) but there would be less effort.
Yes you can, Keep in mind SAFETY, Work at a pace, Air tools a plus, Always keep area around where you are working clear just in case you need to move fast out of the way. and last take a break to study what you are doing,
Great job, I just bought a 87 Vouge with P30 chassis, rear air bags are trash and will be replacing them and front spring like you did in your video. I would ask that on the parts you got as replacement to tell us where you got them from and what the price range are. Again Thanks for your help. It save thousands of dollars if you know how to DIY. 5 STAR Video. Joe from Drums Pa.
I have watched several of these videos on replacing these airbags, and I haven't seen a single one that shows how to get the top spacer in place. I have a 1988 Dolphin and I am doing this replacement now but I can't figure out how to get the top spacer in!
@@ClassALiving I tried that but there was no way to keep it up there, something called gravity. I then tried to slip it in after I had the bag in halfway and it just fell down sideways between the bag and the coil spring. Now I am trying to figure out how to get it out of there.
I just pulled mine out,, second go round,,,I don't cut them just fight them out,,takes about an hour or so..no need to remove tiers,, deflate new bag install cap to keep deflated,,, twist it up in there I don't use zip ties,, little lube helps,,glue that spacer back on top of air bag when half way installed so it's in the right position.. fight it the rest of the way in ,,, install bottom spacer,,,ur done,,inflate to , proper PSI ,,,ur done. it's a bit of a ball buster but not all that technical of a job,,,my line's are in front ,,,iv done this twice in ten years,,,on my winni,,,good luck guys..
I just received my air bags the other day and the heat shield for the starter. I like removing the wheel, when I got under mine I could see the work area was going to be cramped with the wheel on. I am going to try to make 2 videos one for the starter and one for the airbags. Too bad there are only 24hrs in a day.
Michael Schmidt I did thanks! however I may not have a heat soak problem after all i think it was just my battery dying after my alternator came unplugged lol
Thanks for a very good video on this project. Will be doing ours on our P32 chassis hopefully tomorrow. By the way.... I see you did not put the blue plastic spacer piece on the tops.... did you forget???
Better and quicker (instead of zip ties) use radiator worm hose clamps (4). Just get the appropriate worm clamps that will size down enough so the bag slips thru the opening.
It would be nice to find a set of air shock's for the front..the springs are to light for the RV,,they do make a set of heavy duty springs you can replace to eliminate the bags,,the air shock's and the air bags would compliment each other so I'm searching for air shock's as well..if it was a newer RV I would change the springs..I may at some point on my 95 winni..I'm looking in to it..I think springs are a few 100. And not as easy to change as the bags but it's a one time deal with the springs...no more bags,,,I have changed springs in the past on vehicle's it's not all that technical either...just a little more work...I didn't see him re install the spacers,,I think he will be doing this again soon.....they will get cut and leak with out the spacers in place...so make sure you re install them correctly guys..I watched this twice he didn't put the spacers back in ... SMH...he will be doing this again soon...a little rtv or whether stripping adhesive works well to keep spacers in place... during install...read the instructions guys...a few times and pay attention to what ur doing...
I had a P30 chassis on my first motorhome. Worst chassis ever put under a motorhome. It is basically a chevy 1 ton pickup setup and I spent a lot of money trying to get it to drive well on the road. Never did.
We spent about 2K on our front end (Super steer bell cranks, Monroe HD shocks and Super Steer front springs), ditched those unsafe airbags then spent about 1500 on the rear with bags, new shocks and a trac bar and ours is by far the best A gasser I've ever driven. Better travel, ride and bump steer than a solid I beam front end and also tracks quite a bit better. We've been looking at A pushers and leaning towards a Spartan chassis with an A arm front end. Also a TON better to drive. And PS.... The P30 chassis was 1.5 and not 1 ton chassis. Or a 4500 by GM's standards.
i am not looking forward to doing this....... just purchased the same airbags last night, will probably put it off until spring, man that does not look like any fun at all. thanks for sharing
I bet you’re videos are not being spread. Because they don’t want the new generation to see if they get a rv they own it and can modify it way better than a house. It’s our chance to. E owners instead of renters
Hello I just saw your video jais me also a camping car a pass aroow I am french and I would like to buy two air damper at you in amerique but I do not know how to do and I do not address if possible maider I thank you in advance cordially
Vous aurez besoin d'une adresse postale. Une maison d'amis ou de parents. J'ai utilisé une boîte aux lettres de location. C'est le produit que j'ai acheté pour mon RV :www.amazon.com/Firestone-4100-Coil-Rite-Air-Springs/dp/B000CMEXFY J'espère que cela vous aidera, passez une bonne journée. :)
This type of knowledge will earn more than my money ... respect and services....
I saw another guy replacing the same Air bags in his. He heated them up with close to boiling water and then rolled it up like a sausage and ziptied it in that shape. They he just slid it right in clipping the zipties as it went in. Just another option. I am getting ready to replace both my rear and front air bags. Going to be fun.
Thanks! Great video that allows us to see all involved. Will tackle this when needed.
I did mine a few months back. It was by far the most physically demanding job I've done to date on our 94. It took me two days to get over it lol. Well done on another great video for the P30 owners.
Thanks! :)
You are so talented! I came across this video looking how to install a radiator on a 454. Idk how it brought me to this but the fast forward in the video cracked me up. Ha! Maybe I'll need this in the future, so I have subscribed.
I applaud your skill and determination young man
This is a great video.You save me a lot of money by showing how to do this!!!
Very good video. I just bought an older Damon Challenger (P30) and I've been redoing everything upfront. I was changing shocks when I saw that my bags were rotted out. Thanks for some much-needed info!
The best tool I found for cutting out the old bags is about a 12" long serrated butcher knife. I started out with a razor knife on the first one, trying to work my way around it and having to move back and forth in front of and then behind the wheel. I eventually got the first bag out but I thought there had to be a better way, then I got the idea to use a butcher knife on the second bag. It easily sliced completely through the bag at each opening in the coil spring from one side without having me having to move back and forth around the wheel or remove the wheel. After slicing the bag completely through at each opening of the spring, I was able to pull a little of it through the coil spring, cut through the ribbon with the knife, and then pull it out the vice grips. Using that method, I got the second one out in less than 15 minutes completely from one side of the coil spring.
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Thanks very much.I have a '96 Cruisemaster on a P30 chassis.This is helpful.I live in Wales,UK,and will get this job done.I have the valve to pump up the bags already in the waste hatch,it's showing 70 psi,but bags must be original ones.WD 40,good idea.Thanks for that GARGANTUAN EFFORT👍
Thanks for saying so! Glad to know im being helpful in some way :)
If you tie your 2 air lines together with a tee you will have 1 fill valve but more important you'll have always equal pressure in both airbags
Thank you. Geart video. I'll be doing this shortly. Appreciate your help.
Im getting ready to do this on my fleetwood thanks for posting
Options:
1. Brake bleed vacuum then attach hose and pump the air out of the bags.
2. Use radiator hose clamps 3 & 4in type. Slip over bag then use drill to close them down in size to slip thru hole.
Great Video Nice Job On That !! I have a 97 National Rv Having issues with Auto Park Brake Light On While Driving.
Thanks for sharing
Little classic music in the background like in the building lifts :-)
Enjoyed Watching. Interesting!!!
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it would be great to have one of those air bags here 😂
"Legal" in Brazilian Portuguese means 'cool'
I highly recommend AirLift brand bag system as keep 5lbs min at all times and lifetime warranty. They have very helpful staff to answer questions too. #AirLift
the green fix a flat works great on these and is a quick easy fix
Tried 2 different brands of "fix-a-flat", the green stuff & the ATV tire stuff, neither one helped the leaky bags.
I used on the 80-90's Lincoln town car, used about 1.5 cups. but it's not going to fix side leaks. but where it bolts to the axle at the bottom.
Thank you so much, i saw a comment about using a moving car to deflate the bags before inserting them. Is that safe? Having a hell of a time trying to fold these over by hand.
The reason those airbags are there in the first place is that the chassis manufacturer didn't know how the coach manufacturer would load the chassis. If you get a front axle weight at a truck scale, you can order springs that will be correct for any conceivable load you might put on the vehicle - without the need for air bags. Supersteer and others sell them, they're not terribly expensive, and removing the lower control arm is certainly not more of a hassle than trying to finesse airbags in and out of the springs.
Good to know thanks! definitely don't care for the front airbags
We did just that and ditching those shitty (and unsafe) bags made major improvements to both spring compression on rough roads well as making for much better and more stable bump steer. Those bags should of never been allowed by DOT / NHTSA. Then again WH owned by GM back then and we all know just how poorly designed all things GM are.
Same here. Much better idea.
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What are two big springs going to the spindle
Centering springs
I noticed you only have one shock on each side. I have a total of 3 on each side of my front..Do you have a p30 chassis or is this uncommon? For the p30 chassis
I have 82 Chieftain on P30. Question. What made you change the front springs? and How was the ride after being replaced? Thanks and great videos!!
Use a sawzall with a long blade to cut out the old bag! Better than any knife
good job
What brand Air Springs did you go with?
Yet 25 seconds into the video he clearly shows the box they came in....did you even watch?
A different RUclips poster with the same P-30 chassis Winnebago separated the lower ball joint and removed the springs to make the installation. Way more work. Glad to know the air assist bags can be installed this way.
I'll be doing mine this summer -- I have the exact same Winnebago, year, color, length etc.
My paperwork says mine is equipped with an anti-sway feature -- that inflates/deflates the bags according to lean at speed.
I need to look into that.
Concerned about the upper spacer that seemed to be omitted.
You say it wouldn't fit?
Also glad you didn't slice open a finger with the razor knife -- it looked close a few times.
I probably should have put it in and pinned it up there somehow before putting in the bag, im worried about it too, but when the bag was in there was no room on top and i couldnt get it in.
Interesting about anti sway feature ill have to see if i have that too, may explain some things..
Seems like the lack of a spacer would "affect the the effect" of the bags -- maybe not as effective,
Wow, what a wordsmith I be, eh?
The more I think of it, the "anti-lean" thing would have to have a mechanism, pump and lines going to the airbags, which I haven't found on my Superchief.
I think it may have been an available option, but absent on mine.
I did look closely at the front ones, and lordy, are they junk.
A friend recommended that just before installing the bags, he puts them in hot water to make them more pliable -- and to use thick gloves to get them through the lower A-frame.
He also recommended open gear lube -- and a generous amount. It reduces friction between the bag and the spring and has pretty good staying power.
BTW, where did you get the bag kit and how much was it?
Thanks,
Mike
How to do your headlights I own a super chief also same year just a 27rq I put my new led headlights in and not turning on but I put the old one back and it's working the new ones check out as they are new and working to help me out thx
what was the total time to complete the total installation? do you think a 75 yr old man can do this job? or is it a job for a much younger buck?
About 6 hours, nothing was very physically demanding except for taking the tires off and putting them back on, i'd say if you're in good shape go for it!
I knew an 80 year old boxer that could move faster than i could blink and could royally kick my ass if he wanted. I used to have an overweight friend MY age and could barely walk out the front door.
Don't let the number of "age" define what you are capable of, if you want to do your brakes, do your brakes. But health matters so dont ignore that either. Be careful :)
Class A Living ...thx for the feedback. i know what you mean about working with the tire and rim. my main concern would be hand strength. old age has robbed me of most of my hand strength. ive watched you and others compressing the bag and shoving the bag through the hole. i dunno about that for me. rest of it i can do....would just take me longer. maybe double the time of yours. maybe three times. i aint worried about the total time. I AM WORRIED ABOUT HAND STRENGTH. I guess i could try..and if i fail...then get a younger dude to finish it. thx again.
Oh yes i forgot about that, that was a bit of a pain. Just because the hole was so small. Perhaps if you removed the spring entirely. It would be more work (more steps i mean) but there would be less effort.
??? So did it improve the ride at all?
Yes you can, Keep in mind SAFETY, Work at a pace, Air tools a plus, Always keep area around where you are working clear just in case you need to move fast out of the way. and last take a break to study what you are doing,
Would it not be easier to take lower or upper ball joint off and take the coil spring out..??
If you are going to go that far then just replace the springs with a heavier pair and eliminate the bags completely.
Great job, I just bought a 87 Vouge with P30 chassis, rear air bags are trash and will be replacing them and front spring like you did in your video. I would ask that on the parts you got as replacement to tell us where you got them from and what the price range are. Again Thanks for your help. It save thousands of dollars if you know how to DIY. 5 STAR Video. Joe from Drums Pa.
I have watched several of these videos on replacing these airbags, and I haven't seen a single one that shows how to get the top spacer in place. I have a 1988 Dolphin and I am doing this replacement now but I can't figure out how to get the top spacer in!
Put in the spacer before you put in the bag
@@ClassALiving I tried that but there was no way to keep it up there, something called gravity. I then tried to slip it in after I had the bag in halfway and it just fell down sideways between the bag and the coil spring. Now I am trying to figure out how to get it out of there.
You've never heard of duct tape? It's a great anti-gravity device, you can find it at almost any store...
Class A Living hi did you know where can i find a vin number on fleetwood bounder 1989?
On the title
I just pulled mine out,, second go round,,,I don't cut them just fight them out,,takes about an hour or so..no need to remove tiers,, deflate new bag install cap to keep deflated,,, twist it up in there I don't use zip ties,, little lube helps,,glue that spacer back on top of air bag when half way installed so it's in the right position.. fight it the rest of the way in ,,, install bottom spacer,,,ur done,,inflate to , proper PSI ,,,ur done. it's a bit of a ball buster but not all that technical of a job,,,my line's are in front ,,,iv done this twice in ten years,,,on my winni,,,good luck guys..
I just received my air bags the other day and the heat shield for the starter. I like removing the wheel, when I got under mine I could see the work area was going to be cramped with the wheel on. I am going to try to make 2 videos one for the starter and one for the airbags. Too bad there are only 24hrs in a day.
Michael Schmidt lol ikr. that would be awesome I will totally watch!
Did you receive the info I sent on the Splash / Heat Guard I sent to you in email?
Michael Schmidt I did thanks! however I may not have a heat soak problem after all i think it was just my battery dying after my alternator came unplugged lol
Hopefully that was it. If the starter fails in the same fashion again this may be the answer for you. Keep up the good work, 2 thumbs up.
Thanks for a very good video on this project. Will be doing ours on our P32 chassis hopefully tomorrow. By the way.... I see you did not put the blue plastic spacer piece on the tops.... did you forget???
He did. He mentions it in text after the first bag is installed
Better and quicker (instead of zip ties) use radiator worm hose clamps (4). Just get the appropriate worm clamps that will size down enough so the bag slips thru the opening.
I'm just curious as to the dual spring set up on your lower control arms. Can you explain them?
Return to center assist springs.
Just did this on my 1997 Winnebago Adventurer about a month ago
When the Ads pop-up for jack etc . . did You do this or do they just pop-up on their own because they show up in the video? Thanx
Joe Zip hmm they must being doing that on their own, I just allow ads I don't pick which one's show up
Wondered if You see them when You watch it. And thanx for Your reply.
yep np :-)
I got rid of mine totally. I put in heavier springs and got rid of the bags. I got tired of changing them.
It would be nice to find a set of air shock's for the front..the springs are to light for the RV,,they do make a set of heavy duty springs you can replace to eliminate the bags,,the air shock's and the air bags would compliment each other so I'm searching for air shock's as well..if it was a newer RV I would change the springs..I may at some point on my 95 winni..I'm looking in to it..I think springs are a few 100. And not as easy to change as the bags but it's a one time deal with the springs...no more bags,,,I have changed springs in the past on vehicle's it's not all that technical either...just a little more work...I didn't see him re install the spacers,,I think he will be doing this again soon.....they will get cut and leak with out the spacers in place...so make sure you re install them correctly guys..I watched this twice he didn't put the spacers back in ... SMH...he will be doing this again soon...a little rtv or whether stripping adhesive works well to keep spacers in place... during install...read the instructions guys...a few times and pay attention to what ur doing...
like the chroom wheels
Might be a good time to change the swaybar and bushings as well. Looks a little beat up and loose
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De rien :)
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Foreshadowing: maybe you should think about replacing the back ones too. :P
In 1951 Milwaukee invented the reciprocating saw, commonly called a saws-all ???
May as well fix the exhaust manifolds as long as you're at it ;)
Why do you say that looking at one with manifold issues? why did that happen?
I had a P30 chassis on my first motorhome. Worst chassis ever put under a motorhome. It is basically a chevy 1 ton pickup setup and I spent a lot of money trying to get it to drive well on the road. Never did.
Vader1957 mine drives great after new shocks and sway bar bushings
We spent about 2K on our front end (Super steer bell cranks, Monroe HD shocks and Super Steer front springs), ditched those unsafe airbags then spent about 1500 on the rear with bags, new shocks and a trac bar and ours is by far the best A gasser I've ever driven. Better travel, ride and bump steer than a solid I beam front end and also tracks quite a bit better. We've been looking at A pushers and leaning towards a Spartan chassis with an A arm front end. Also a TON better to drive. And PS.... The P30 chassis was 1.5 and not 1 ton chassis. Or a 4500 by GM's standards.
i am not looking forward to doing this....... just purchased the same airbags last night, will probably put it off until spring, man that does not look like any fun at all. thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching! Ya it was my least favorite job done on the rv so far.
But once you dig in it's not so bad :)
😂👏👏👏👏👏👍👌 how bout rear ? LoL 🤣
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I bet you’re videos are not being spread. Because they don’t want the new generation to see if they get a rv they own it and can modify it way better than a house. It’s our chance to. E owners instead of renters
Hello
I just saw your video jais me also a camping car a pass aroow
I
am french and I would like to buy two air damper at you in amerique but
I do not know how to do and I do not address if possible maider I thank
you in advance
cordially
Vous aurez besoin d'une adresse postale. Une maison d'amis ou de parents. J'ai utilisé une boîte aux lettres de location.
C'est le produit que j'ai acheté pour mon RV :www.amazon.com/Firestone-4100-Coil-Rite-Air-Springs/dp/B000CMEXFY
J'espère que cela vous aidera, passez une bonne journée. :)
Fiddly