Can Gerald Undone Handle the Truth?
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- Gerald and most Camera RUclipsrs want to be truthful. That isn't the same as telling the truth.
If you understand the fundamentals of microphone clipping you'll understand why 32-bit float can't fix it.
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i think it has been a general understanding that the 32 bit is considered good due to the more flexibility in saving peaky audios - lets be honest sometimes things go wrong and you cant adjust audio in time , you just have to roll with it , especially when you dont have an external pre-amp.
its the same case as dynamic range , its always good to have more. your critique lies on the fact that gerald does this with malicious intent - he does not , upon day to day and even harsh work construction , 32 bit will save audios that couldve clipped without it.
all gerald does ( not to discount his content ) is test cameras and not pull up made-up numbers , thats all he does with honesty , with lack of findings and research , comes subservience and the decline of innovations. Gerald is doing gods work by setting a standard of testing and methods to compare with and against his other reviews.
Just because he has a bigger channel doesnt discount HIS findings and HIS methods , just like you did, i find it insulting that you would sorta throw him under the bus because " big youtuber bad " - but i need not say much , the lack of traction in your videos and even if it picks up later on shows im not the minority here , im just the one willing to entertain the video
maybe im just annoyed that your video has this " hollier than thou " vibes with points that circles each other and isnt clear as much as the audience needed
You have knee-jerk reaction to defend Gerald and call me "hollier than thou". I don't believe you watched my whole video or really paid attention to what I was saying. But thanks for the comment!
I take issue with you blaming the audience. This would be like saying that there’s a town with no fine dining only McDonald’s and then saying “people don’t want fine dining they only want McDonalds! As if they have a choice the reason people go with certain reviewers and styles is because this is basically the best the market has to offer so I don’t think telling the audience that they need to demand something from him when they’re in no position to demand something from anyone is reasonable orrealistic. In fact it’s probably bullshit to call out the audience because if there was nothing other than super hard-core objective reviews then that would be the standard. So chastising people for dealing with what’s available doesn’t seem fair.
Sorry, I didn't mean to say anything about blaming the audience. I'm pointing out a simple phenomenon Aristotle brought up in his Rhetoric. People (myself included) want to feel we made the right decisions. We don't want buyers remorse. We don't want to learn that our hero or friend is bad. We're all NATURALL ADVERSE to criticism (blame). By extension, that means the people we admire. So if one enjoy Gerald and feels a parasocial relationship to him they don't want to hear criticisms of his reviews. That becomes a criticism of him even if the person criticizing (me) does not intend it that way. It's very difficult for us to separate the two.
The problem for Gerald, and everyone reviewing cameras, is that the audience can also have emotional attachments to various brands, say. Let's say they love Panasonic cameras. That's what they have. So if Gerald were to point out that Panasonic isn't truthful about 32-bit float that would emotionally challenge those people. They wouldn't want to hear it so might unsubscribe.
In short, I'm talking about human nature and how it effects how much we deal with camera emotionally and how much scientifically. Hope that explains it better.
Is this a diss track?
Not if you give me the benefit of the doubt and try not to get emotional watching it ;) In a sense using Gerald is clickbait. There's ironically no way around that! However the subject is where do we draw the line between what we "want" our cameras to do, and what they actually do in a scientific sense.
@@MaxoticsTV My comment was a joke. I think it's somewhat funny that you'd do this. I've seen this done before where small youtuber attacks larger youtuber for clicks and views and it usually works. Also... diss tracks are popular. That said... I'm not going to watch the video. It's bad enough you're getting my comment.
Perhaps it's time for @geraldundone to respond? Or maybe he just ignores it. I don't know. If he does respond I hope he puts a dope beat in the background to really sell the diss track idea. :P
@@jimhestermanphotography "I'm not going to watch the video"? Now THAT's funny. You made a joke on something you didn't even watch! You prove what I said in the video, that most people don't want to hear anything that might question their allegiance, opinions, etc. Why people would comment on something they didn't watch. It would be like me saying your photography is horrible without even having looked at it. They say don't judge a book by its cover (title), but I guess, if it works for you rock on!
@@maxcanthelpit lol on principle. You get your interaction in the comments but I'm not going to help your views.
@@jimhestermanphotography You are cracking me the f-up. Should you ever buy a piece of electronics and it doesn't do what you expected it to do and you wonder why no one on RUclips pointed it out you can come back and give me that "view". I can hardly watch my videos a 2nd time so I certainly understand why someone wouldn't watch them a 1st time. The 5 people who liked this video. That's who it's for. Most of the stuff I like I'm in a minority of likes. This video is for someone who is ether in, or wants to be in, a group of hard-science photography/filmmakers. Again thanks for the comments. As you can imagine, I'm a very lonely man with no real life!
I've gone through your piece on medium. I don't think you understand the main argument for 32 bit float : You don't have to set gain/ levels.
Yes, it doesn't eliminate clipping altogether, but it does eliminate the most common form of it, clipping at the ADC. All 32 bit float recorders also have multiple pre amps set to different gain levels (this is one of the most important parts of 32bit float a lot of people miss), which means you will almost always have a set of preamps working under the clipping voltage. Which means the chances of clipping at the preamp are also greatly reduced. The only area where 32 bit float has no effect on clipping is at the mic capsule. But considering that most mics clip at over 120dB SPL, unless you're standing next to a jet engine, the capsule is unlikely to be overwhelmed.
Finally, Gerald's demonstration of 32 bit float is very valid and shows the potential of the expanded DR. No 24 bit integer recording would be able to hold on to that much DR.
In my experiments I have not been able to find an improvement in clipping using 32-bit float. Nor have I seen anyone do a test that I can verify. Someone showing me a waveform means nothing. To my knowledge, most microphone ADCs are 16bits or under. Please point me to a SPEC SHEET of an ADC on the market that writes to 32-bit float. Anything about 16bit is beyond what a microphone can resolve to. If you WANT to believe, I can't stop you ;)
@@MaxoticsTV you don't need 32 bit ADCs. You just need 2 or more 24 bit ADCs with different gain levels. When the AFC with the more sensitive preamp clips, the signal from the less sensitive preamp-ADC is still usable. 32 bit float is a container that just makes sure that the entire DR captured from the multiple ADCs remain uncompressed. So it allows you to lift silent sources without introducing a ton of noise while also making sure that the very loud sources don't clip (as long as the capsule isn't overwhelmed)
@@Wildridefilms Think about what you're saying. We have a microphone voltage. If we split it into 2 ADC each will have half the strength. Put aside the "different" gain levels. Just to get each to match the original source you'd have to apply 2x the gain (of what you'd do for the original voltage), creating a boatload of noise.
Conservation of Energy. You cannot create that which isn't there. If you take 2 mV and split it between two ADCs each will have 1mV. You can't split a voltage source without weakening its signal.
You can do what you suggest now. Get a Y-splitter for your mic and put each end into a separate Audio Interface. Set gain low for one, high for the other, then combine the data in post.
If you say, okay, it goes into one ADC, THEN another, how does that work. It's Analog to Digital. Once Digital, why convert to analog and convert that to digital again. And again, you'd get data noise.
@@MaxoticsTV I've been using both 24-bit integer and 32-bit float (in their price category) high-end mikes from the same manufacturer: the Rode Wireless Go II and the Pro, respectively. 24-bit ones are a LOT more prone to clipping. The latter is practically not present with the new Rode Wireless Pros. There's some HUGE difference in there: you just don't need to worry about audio levels during recording. That's a BIG relief for one-man shooters.
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Yes. Limiters or Automatic Gain Controls are super helpful for the one-man shooter. My argument is that Rode isn't honest about how it's removing clipping; that is, they don't explain HOW 32-bit float removes clipping. Instead other RUclipsrs come up with weird multi-ADCs science fictions ;)
Oh dear. Misinformation on RUclips like this makes me really sad. You really need to research your material better if you're going to make a video like this. I did watch your video all the way through and I’m afraid it’s you that’s missed the point. Gerald never mentions “mic clipping” at all. He mentions “recovering audio that would have been clipped”. Previously I would have thought there would have been 2 interpretations of this among his audience - those knowledgeable in audio would have automatically understood he was talking about the clipping of the ADC - or analogue to digital converter - of the input and those not so knowledgeable would have just understood that it was a good thing to have. But now it seems there’s a third interpretation - your conspiracy theorist/RUclips dissing complete misunderstanding of what he was talking about. For the avoidance of doubt - it’s very difficult to clip the capsule of a modern microphone, certainly for the use cases 99.9% of RUclips watching camera operators are going to experience - and it’s abundantly obvious that this is not what he’s talking about by the context of the video. By contrast - it’s all too easy to clip the converters, especially if you’re not using a limiter - and let's not forget there are many reasons you might not want to, especially on cheap equipment. This is why more and more manufacturers are offering a 32 bit solution for audio. This is a dream for documentary shooters and live event videographers alike; though it means less work for audio professionals such as myself dealing with the fallout in post :)
I must admit that I don’t understand your motivation in making such a video. I mean, it’s a free world - you’re free to criticise who you want of course. But if you’re trying to boost the standing of your own channel by “getting one over” on another RUclipsr surely there are more sensible people to pick on than Gerald Undone - known for being one of the most diligent, technical and open RUclipsrs in this field. I’m not going to go into the technicalities of 32 bit audio recording here but you really should educate yourself before you go about trying to educate others; particularly if you want to grow your channel. There are plenty of resources out there, even Zoom or Tascams websites would be a good place to start. Just to reiterate - this video was NEVER about Mic Clipping - and to my knowledge the GH7 IS the first mirrorless camera to integrate 32 bit recording - though I’m sure many will follow - and your video is just, well, WRONG.
Good luck on your RUclips journey.
Why aren't you going to go into the "technicalities of 32-bit audio recording"? It's you who has not done the research. Your whole post is all opinion and has no technical explanation. I've explained in other videos and in my medium essay why 32-bit float cannot capture "more" microphone voltage amplitudes than 24-bit (or even 16-bit IMO).
You're citing resources like Zoom or Tascam?! Hilarious! They're in the business of selling audio equipment, not explaining how audio electronics work. Indeed, they hide their proprietary circuits. It's one of my points. If you get your technical knowledge from marketing materials you're gullible indeed!
So, good luck on your journey treating marketing claims as fact ;)