This is the kind of video I personally am most interested in; ones that show the potential problems with a piece of kit. I know all the good stuff it can do already, but I'm far more interested in any issues or problems with the system. For me, knowing those things influences my purchasing decision more than anything else. Thanks for this video!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial thank you for making this video! Glad you pointed out issues with the kit. Like you mentioned in the video, hopefully they get ironed out in a firmware update or eliminated altogether in a 5D/Mark II option.
Cowboy Cam here! Haha thank you guys for covering all of this. This new system is simple yet insanely complex as you start running into quirks. For programming the lens profiles and if things get shifted and throws the calibration off.. the lidar unit most likely has been shifted. That’s what the lidar distance setting is for. If you go in and remeasure and re input the distance, it should fix it. At least that is what I found for my personal unit. Kondorblue and I are working on some rigging solutions as well ;) Another annoying quirk with the HDMI pass through with the DJI monitor is while it does display the lidar image, you don’t get all the touch controls that you do on the Focus Grip. I hope the next gen fixes that. Overall the DJI Lidar stuff, while having some few quirks, has truly been a game changer for me. Comfortably allowing me to use anamorphics on shoots I would have never even attempted to do so.
That’s all good information and it’s dope you are working on some stuff with kondor blue make sure to send us some 🤣 But yeah, I agree. Overall the positives hugely outweigh the negatives. Thanks cowboy Cam 🤣
i use the smallrig rod clamp to mount the lidar just underneath the lens. Remove the cold shoe mount from the lidar and screw the lidar onto the rod clamp. Works perfectly!
Here's my issue with that process.. and any advice on this would be great! Obviously the LiDar calibration process for each lens is somewhat lengthy, definitely too lengthy to be carrying out each time you rig up your camera set up. So, since you have to input the distance between the front of the LiDar and the camera's sensor, how can you be sure that distance hasn't changed when using a smallrig rod/magic arm (I think that's what it's called) when mounting it. Because the distance it's literally measured down to the millimeter, and I noticed previously that if the distance you put in to the system originally is even slightly off the next time you rig up your camera, it completely throws off the autofocus pulling and the whole thing doesn't work properly. Currently I'm using a RED V-Raptor and I'm mounting the LiDar using the hot shoe mount (hot shoe? cold shoe? can never remember which way round they are haha) that comes with the LiDar, with a cold shoe screwed in to the V-Raptor, as it's the only way I can ensure the distance between the LiDar and the camera sensor never changes. However I'm aware this isn't completely ideal as it leaves the LiDar pretty far from the lens, and for better, more accurate results it needs to be closer. Apologies for the long-winded explanation, but any guidance on this would be very much appreciated!
After sending that comment I've gotten further into the video and realised he actually touches on this issue also! Haha but yeah, still seems to be no solution unless you just remeasure the distance each time which is extremely inconvenient and would put me off using it entirely.
@ConorMaynard I now have my LiDAR mounted directly to my top handle on a rail and when I want to rig it and do something else I swap out the top handle for a different one that way when I go back to using the LiDAR all I have to do is put the top handle back on. It’s not perfect, but it’s certainly better than having to remeasure every time
@@geertgermonpre7530any chance you could send a photo somehow of this setup? Small rig have a few rod clamps. And do you mean you attach the lidar to rod that goes in the clamp?
Amazing review. That's how all reviews should be, focused on the limitations of the gear in real world scenarios, not just reading the spec sheet! You just earned a new subscriber.
@@bg_sports_media thank you but We had the benefit of skipping past a lot of stuff because we are coming in late People watching this. I’ve already seen a lot of great reviews from other reviews saying all the positives..
DJI REALLY need to change a few things for the next version. Whatever needs to happen in order to integrate the “hub” and “brains” all into the sensor unit needs to be sorted. That one unit should support all the functionality and operation of the system, with other parts of the system being solely for control input, and then obviously the motors. They need to switch to LEMO, it’s really that simple, and they need motors with daisy-chain. And the whole thing should be able to power over LEMO too. Pre-marked disks are an easy software thing they should add, as well as a diopter mode. I really wish they’d worked with Tilta on this, jumping off from the Nucleus-M.
Thank you so much! I was seriously considering this mostly for gimbal use, but i might wait until they add the extra option to not track the persons movement too. Overall, learnt alot of new things no one else is talking about, thanks again
@@matt.bantonyes it certainly was an effort haha, but I got the shot in a pinch! It was the moment that convinced me to get the RS4Pro - I was using the RS2Pro which didn’t support the lidar. But then I was disappointed to see that the Ronin did not perform half as well as the focus pro in comparison and no one had mentioned it in reviews!
Thanks for this. I've used the motor and hand grip with great success, but have held off on the LIDAR until a review like this came out. Understanding the quirks gave me the reassurance to bring purchase. Looking forward to some AF ability on my Milvus lineup!
Great video. There's a little hidden 1/4 20 on the cold shoe mount, just unscrew the cold shoe... I know that this doesn't answer the problem of attaching the actual lidar unit in a lower config but it is very handy for more securely attaching it to the top of a cage or straight into the top of one of the Blackmagic pocket cameras :)
What Shane said!!! Haha but also the issue with the cold shoe is that it the LiDAR is up higher than it probably should be, you generally probably want it flush with the front of your lens.
The placement of it sure gives me a headache, the cables are pretty special too, had one break and no one was carrying a replacement in store and none of my other cables fit into the handle. I do wish there was some cables that was longer too for when mounting the lidar a bit higher up. Also noticed the problem with the battery and well I have lost my profiles more than once and had to go through the whole part with synching my lenses again. It goes pretty fast but if you set it all up at home and then end up on location it is really annoying to set them up again. I really do hope someone will sell a better mount like you have. I have small rigs matte box for some of my lenses and it blocks the lidar
Great video. Thanks. And I will tell you what i noticed while shooting. when you are in a room full of haze, lidar can't work at medium and far distances. that's what you need to be prepared for
Yup, fairly common sense that the LiDar beams can't see through things obscuring the talent which includes haze, glass, etc. and it wont work on reflections / mirrors etc. either. Thanks for mentioning it though, many people may not realise that.
Without your video I would have plugged the batteries from my DJI RS2 and RS3 Pro in the Dji Focus Pro... A big thank you to you for avoiding me this tragic mistake.
I would say it's shocking the amount of crappy connectors that are out there, but it's not. I'm curious about this, but feel it's a luxury in my case. Though, who knows. I've seen other vids complaining about lidar mounting. Makes one wonder how much testing these companies do. Great review!
Wow for just a second i thought it was a great option and can do a perfect things right away , but seen this info makes me thinking twice before buying it.
Another problem I run into is the lack of possibilities to adjust te FOV of the lidar camera, specially on longer focal lengths the difference is way to big
Excellent review. Thanks for that. Are adapters (e.g. PL to L mount ones) affecting the accuracy of the calibration of the lidar focusing system? Thanks in advance.
@@joaquinperalba1624 you are welcome!! no it shouldn’t as you are manually calibrating each lens. (Just make sure you measure the distance between the frount of the LiDAR and the sensor plain correctly).
@@ShaneVanLitz Sorry Kofi I didn’t watch your video. i only saw his We just grabbed the relevant clips from his video for it! I’m Keen to hear your thoughts on the kit!! ❤️
For just using Lidar AutoFocus without the Active Track moving the gimbal, you have to be in WIDE mode, not Flex Spot mode. I've just done a test and it was able to keep me in focus, even if I moved to the sides of the frame without moving the gimbal at all. Interested if you've still had a different experience?
@@AlterEgoCreates okay? Shane checked it and you are correct. It does have a basic face tracking in wide mode. Shane says that this is close to what he is wanting but not quite the same as the handle allows you to lock onto faces rather than just let the AF do what it wants . It also doesn’t have the ability to tweak the stinkiness nor can you take over the focus like you can with the handle
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Yea fair enough. Not perfect but doable. I need to test with multiple people but I think in wide mode, you roll the wheel and it'll select and stick to the one you specify. *I think* that's how it works, even if you don't hit the trigger which would initiate active track. Question for you! Have you sorted out if the RS4 Pro can only store 3 lenses, or is there a way to do more like the grip that can store 15?? I find it crazy that it's essentially the same hardware piece but I can't get more than 3 on the gimbal. Would love to know if you experience the same.
@@AlterEgoCreates as far as i know its still limited to 3 lenses. we think they should allow you to store the info in the app and swap out as needed if memory is the limitation.
@@ShaneVanLitz thanks. Apparently some people had issues with speedboosters in the past. but i was asking because there are updates, tha maybe could have fixed that.
@@charlesucha3751 Righto - I think the issues is that you'd have to do the conversion maths when calibrating! If you're using a 50mm lens on a speedbooster the LiDar will expect a 35mm (or there about) focal length, not 50mm. Other than that, I'm not sure.
Great review it's one of the best I've seen so far, It's nice to see someone dive into the quirks. Could you possibly share the print files for the mount and the cover?
anychance you can share the 3d print for the lidar unit rod mount? My setup is similar and it's going to be very cramp if I snug the lidar unit on the top of the camera.
hi sorry can I ask you for that bumper cover protection from the DJI Focus Pro where did you get it and I would like to put it too? Can you send me the link so I can get it? I'm waiting thank you very much
Hello great video. Unfortunately I have a problem. I have my setup as follows: dji RS4 Pro, Lidar Pro, focus motor pro on a Fuji xh2s with an Irix Cine lens on a cage I have calibrated the focus motor. In manual mode the lights on the lidar and motor are permanently red and I can focus with the gimbal wheel. However, when I switch to automatic mode, the lidar lights up green and the motor yellow. Although I have already calibrated. What could be the problem? I look forward to your feedback. Also from the community BR Tim from Germany
@@raildude270 so yes and no you get centrepoint auto focus when you do this but you lose face detect. You should be able to use it like you would the lighter or any other AF Camera. Having to put your subject in the The direct centre is extremely restricting
@@raildude270we can double check, but there is autofocus. But the autofocus box does not track the face unless the gimbal auto follows the subject as well.
@@CodyCha not a terrible way to go but, you are assuming the Wall is straight and that you are holding it straight and mounted perfectly straight haha It’s meant to be dialled in as accurate as 1 mm.
@@CodyCha this is what I suggested in the video haha. but that also depends on how wide the sensor mark is. point being its not super simple espesullly on the fly.
How sticky is the V2 LiDAR-enabled ActiveTrack in low light. In theory, LiDAR-enabled auto-tracking would work in the dark, making tracking reliable in variable and poor light. How has your low-light experience been?
The LiDar might be able to see well in low light, but the built-in camera used for subject tracking is still a camera with a small sensor. Not really sure how low-light you're looking for but it's been mostly fine in the situations I've used it in.
@@ShaneVanLitz Thanks - I bought it and did what ZERO RUclipsrs have done -- test how low the light has to go before this $700 LiDAR / visible light camera unit fails to track. So far it's not very good for an expensive unit. If the gimbal tracks a subject who steps into darkness and back into light, or walks behind a barrier, or is covered by another human, this "Pro" tracking unit immediately loses the subject and aborts tracking, or starts tracking the wrong person, and someone has to intervene, which is counter to the purpose of automated tracking. Why abort? why not just wait and re-acquire when ActiveTrack sees the recognized subject again? The system is "dumber" than I thought. I'm stuck using it on an RS4 Pro, but I certainly wish it were better.
@@ShaneVanLitz FYI, I looked into Apple's version of active track (DockKit). First gimbal to use it is Insta360 Flow Pro. I bought and tested at a job -- and TL;DR -- a $150 gimbal with DockKit is FAR better at tracking than DJI's $700 unit. Not promoting, just really surprised. It tracks in extreme low light, tolerates people walking in front of the subject, and tolerates objects obscuring the subject. And when it loses the subject -- unlike DJI's "LiDAR-enhanced" pro tracking -- it simply WAITS and then re-acquires the subject without user intervention, whereas DJI's best product gives up/aborts.
Great info .yes ! Transfer focus box ghost onto atomos ninja v that doesnt show in recording!It says the lidar pro can replace lidar rs on ronin rs 3?. If you covered this in this video i will be saving as reference.Great accesories!Thank You
So the RS4 Pro battery is not compatible?? I thought I read yesterday that it was?? Man - I hope I didn’t hurt anything by using it. When I got the system yesterday the shipped batt was dead - so I used the Ronin 4 batt after I thought I read that it would work. Everything powered on correctly??? Wow! That is not cool. There should be very apparent warnings about that!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial So I found this on the DJI website regarding battery compatibility: “Does the Grip support power supply from other batteries? ヘ The Grip only supports power supply from the BG21 Battery Grip, which is interchangeable with the battery grips for DJI RS 3 and DJI RS 4.” - So I am confused??? Can I use the RS4 battery or not? Also, there appears to be no Focus Pro spare batts available anywhere…
@@LiteShaper1 you can’t use the RS4 pro battery but the battery that comes with the RS4 is the same one that comes with the handle! It’s all very confusing and stupid 🤣
Great review but you didn't address the main issue: you can't buy it anywhere. In Europe is not in stock in any web or shop. Do you know anything about this?
Sorry, we can’t do much about supply unfortunately, not got much to do with us I’m afraid! We both pre ordered a day or two after the announcement and received them pretty quick but I have seen people posting about stock issues in some countries since then.
@@tecno8335 for it to work directly with the LiDAR yes but we have mounted the focus pro to onto the camera and then put it on a rs2 technically that would be possible with other gimbals
@@randallburgess6393 we have stock in Australia! I ordered directly from the supplier and we got ours pretty quickly although I have lots of friends who can’t get them currently
@@zakforsmanthe one included with the rs4 Pro. That focus pro hand unit ended up dying a few days later and DJI replaced it with a new one. We’re not sure the problem was related though in fairness!
Clearly, I won't EVER trust any youtubers doing "early reviews" of product. I own a Focus Pro that has loads of qwirks and problem, glitches that were never ever mentionned by any of them. The double check and glitch of calibration is a real pain and a software non sense. Some you seems to not have experienced are problem when shooting someone close to lens (2-3 meters) while loads of people are behind. The Lidar just freaks out and can't lock onto the person in front. Focus Pro can't focus on faces only and freaks out when you have someone among cars or people or both. A s for the Battery solution, this shows how much the RS4 Pro is a joke as the RS3 Pro is exactly what the RS4 Pro does. And the retrocompatibility of previous lidar with the RS4 PRO is not properly working either... It feels like a preprod unit. The Lidar is so power hungry that it shows that a new Ronin system with interchable battery without needing to break down the set up is needed without going to an R2. RS2/RS3/RS4 are just little step upgrades without much added to them. A fresh up is needed for bigger Ronin setup than the typical FX3 / G Master configuration without getting a heavy and expensive R2. On the plus side, the hand grip when set up to control Zoom with one motor is freaking great, the haptic feedback change the feel of the wheel to act as a "broadcast like" zoom rocker. It feels million times better than a Tilta Nucleus M.
Not to defend RUclipsrs but they are in a weird position where they are expecting firmware updates to come within days. Usually the companies tell them that this is happening so they are not mentioning bugs. They think they’re going to be fixed because it would be irrelevant if they are fixed by the time the product comes out and to make the product look bad when it may not be the case. It’s a shame things aren’t fixed
I can’t say I’ve had that issue with the close focus, but I haven’t been in that exact situation yet! You should make a video showing an example. In terms of the other things he mentioned I think we covered them later in the video . And yes, I think the motor on this unit is actually quite good so it feels like a very decent focus motor
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial True that youtubers are in a weird spaces, and the firmware beta / test is a bummer. Things need to change and that's start on the brand and communication plan from the companies, not the youtubers. Look at the launch of the Z6 III from Nikon: They use influencers in their own campains and pay them for it, use their images and that's it. Then influencers can talk or not on this gear without obligations. Then later you can have tech reviewer or real users of final product sharing their though on the product. It's less hype and more transparent content. About close focus bug, it's not really close focus. Just imagine that you are following (walking backwards) to shoot someone in crowded area. Even if the the crowd is pretty far away from the subject the lidar will start to change subject and start to select the people behind your subject then you subject again and again.
waaaaaaaiiiiit!!!! so if you shoot solo, when you connect the lidar to the RS4, as a solo shooter you can't operate the RS4 anymore? the lidar is the unit that control the ronin? if so, thats just a no no. so you can only use the ronin when you have a focus puller? then you can just hire a focus puller instead of using the lidar. soooooooo as a solo shooter the handheld unit is what you need otherwise the lidar is useless?
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I have a 2nd question, is it possible to use the lidar on a photons? because all I see are cine lenses. do you guys maybe know if its possible to use on a photo lens?
@@LTULOfficial it only works with lenses that have hard stops for the focus! I have a friend who has used it with his modded photo lenses, but the mod includes hard stops!
@@LTULOfficialyes, you can use the lidar with photo lenses but only officially with some Panasonic cameras and the experience doesn’t seem ideal (focus pulls stutter). You may have luck with stills lenses with gears strapped on but I really wouldn’t recommend it at all.
I’m thinking it might be possible to control the gimbal if you buy the handgrip, you will attach it to the side of the gimbal. In that way you could use the autofocus and control the gimbal? Is there anyone who has tried that? @thefilmguyofficial
There are much, much more issues than this review has, like loosing stored profiles and having to re-calibrate each battery swap when being powered from d-tap or v-mount, to name a rather big one. Wrong readings when using zoom on calibration is another one. It does seem like the demand for this one is huge, but it's a rather under-developed product firmware-wise. Also, the cable clusterfuck reminds me of macbook dongles in 2018. I wish they open the system to use other motors and focus systems with the lidar, but unfortunately DJI is not the company to expect an open system from. It's an Apple of the camera world, where each product will limit you to use their own line-up of products.
There isn't an official way to run iff off dtap yet. Have I missed something? if you use an accessory for the ronin you like putting too much power into it which is causing issues. as per the zoom thing, I cant say I have had that issue but I haven't tried it.
@@alexlubensky Just wanted to chip in to say that not all USB-C is created equal, it's not magic. The grip can use PD fast charging which most dumb D-Tap converters cannot supply. The hand unit voltage is 7.2-8.4v not 5v and I'm not sure it can charge while it's in use, not to mention how awkward the cable nest would become without a more bespoke solution from DJI. I have tried connecting the grip to a PD USB-C battery pack and did not get charging LEDs while the device was powered on, but your results may vary depending on adaptors etc. I also wonder if lens profiles can be deleted / corupted when power is sudenly lost without giving the device time to power off. I've lost some profiles when the device overheated as mentioned in the video but wasn't sure if the two issues were related or not - if that is going to be a concern when it's used with power bases from third parties than that's something to keep an eye on for sure. Lastly, I've not used any zoom lenses with it but I believe you - the software is not polished enough yet IMO and they need to update it more to get rd of some of these issues.
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This is the kind of video I personally am most interested in; ones that show the potential problems with a piece of kit. I know all the good stuff it can do already, but I'm far more interested in any issues or problems with the system.
For me, knowing those things influences my purchasing decision more than anything else.
Thanks for this video!
@@AfoteyAnnum thank you so much!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial thank you for making this video! Glad you pointed out issues with the kit.
Like you mentioned in the video, hopefully they get ironed out in a firmware update or eliminated altogether in a 5D/Mark II option.
Because the rest want a sponsors 😅
I'll wait for the updated one.. Thanks for the honest review.
Cowboy Cam here! Haha thank you guys for covering all of this. This new system is simple yet insanely complex as you start running into quirks.
For programming the lens profiles and if things get shifted and throws the calibration off.. the lidar unit most likely has been shifted. That’s what the lidar distance setting is for. If you go in and remeasure and re input the distance, it should fix it. At least that is what I found for my personal unit.
Kondorblue and I are working on some rigging solutions as well ;)
Another annoying quirk with the HDMI pass through with the DJI monitor is while it does display the lidar image, you don’t get all the touch controls that you do on the Focus Grip. I hope the next gen fixes that.
Overall the DJI Lidar stuff, while having some few quirks, has truly been a game changer for me. Comfortably allowing me to use anamorphics on shoots I would have never even attempted to do so.
That’s all good information and it’s dope you are working on some stuff with kondor blue make sure to send us some 🤣
But yeah, I agree. Overall the positives hugely outweigh the negatives.
Thanks cowboy Cam 🤣
Super looking forward to your rigging solutions @cammackey
This is VERY helpful to those of us that are thinking of buying one
@@eddietor_cine thank you! I’m glad you think so!
i use the smallrig rod clamp to mount the lidar just underneath the lens. Remove the cold shoe mount from the lidar and screw the lidar onto the rod clamp. Works perfectly!
Here's my issue with that process.. and any advice on this would be great! Obviously the LiDar calibration process for each lens is somewhat lengthy, definitely too lengthy to be carrying out each time you rig up your camera set up. So, since you have to input the distance between the front of the LiDar and the camera's sensor, how can you be sure that distance hasn't changed when using a smallrig rod/magic arm (I think that's what it's called) when mounting it. Because the distance it's literally measured down to the millimeter, and I noticed previously that if the distance you put in to the system originally is even slightly off the next time you rig up your camera, it completely throws off the autofocus pulling and the whole thing doesn't work properly. Currently I'm using a RED V-Raptor and I'm mounting the LiDar using the hot shoe mount (hot shoe? cold shoe? can never remember which way round they are haha) that comes with the LiDar, with a cold shoe screwed in to the V-Raptor, as it's the only way I can ensure the distance between the LiDar and the camera sensor never changes. However I'm aware this isn't completely ideal as it leaves the LiDar pretty far from the lens, and for better, more accurate results it needs to be closer. Apologies for the long-winded explanation, but any guidance on this would be very much appreciated!
After sending that comment I've gotten further into the video and realised he actually touches on this issue also! Haha but yeah, still seems to be no solution unless you just remeasure the distance each time which is extremely inconvenient and would put me off using it entirely.
@ConorMaynard I now have my LiDAR mounted directly to my top handle on a rail and when I want to rig it and do something else I swap out the top handle for a different one that way when I go back to using the LiDAR all I have to do is put the top handle back on.
It’s not perfect, but it’s certainly better than having to remeasure every time
@@ConorMaynard the rod clamp is not a magic arm. if you don't alter the position of the rod clamp, the lidar will stay at the exact position.
@@geertgermonpre7530any chance you could send a photo somehow of this setup? Small rig have a few rod clamps. And do you mean you attach the lidar to rod that goes in the clamp?
Amazing review. That's how all reviews should be, focused on the limitations of the gear in real world scenarios, not just reading the spec sheet! You just earned a new subscriber.
@@bg_sports_media thank you but We had the benefit of skipping past a lot of stuff because we are coming in late People watching this. I’ve already seen a lot of great reviews from other reviews saying all the positives..
Great honest "review"! I have no intention of getting the Focus Pro but I still enjoyed this video a lot. Take my like and my view please.
Drop that 3D print file please!! Would love a link for me to print it
Thanks for a honest review. Think I'll wait for the update.
DJI REALLY need to change a few things for the next version. Whatever needs to happen in order to integrate the “hub” and “brains” all into the sensor unit needs to be sorted. That one unit should support all the functionality and operation of the system, with other parts of the system being solely for control input, and then obviously the motors.
They need to switch to LEMO, it’s really that simple, and they need motors with daisy-chain. And the whole thing should be able to power over LEMO too.
Pre-marked disks are an easy software thing they should add, as well as a diopter mode.
I really wish they’d worked with Tilta on this, jumping off from the Nucleus-M.
I pretty much agree with you, but I’m guessing there’s going to be pro version that has a lot of the things you are requesting
Thank you so much! I was seriously considering this mostly for gimbal use, but i might wait until they add the extra option to not track the persons movement too. Overall, learnt alot of new things no one else is talking about, thanks again
Glad we could help! Shane has literally mounted his camera with the handle on his RS4 just to make it work better.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Thats a crazy good idea, great thinking, thanks for sharing!
In that setup, with the handle mounted to the RS4, is it difficult / time consuming to switch between gimbal and hand held?
@@matt.bantonyes it certainly was an effort haha, but I got the shot in a pinch! It was the moment that convinced me to get the RS4Pro - I was using the RS2Pro which didn’t support the lidar. But then I was disappointed to see that the Ronin did not perform half as well as the focus pro in comparison and no one had mentioned it in reviews!
Lots of good criticisms to consider 👍
Thanks for this. I've used the motor and hand grip with great success, but have held off on the LIDAR until a review like this came out. Understanding the quirks gave me the reassurance to bring purchase. Looking forward to some AF ability on my Milvus lineup!
@@johnburnsdp that’s great to hear!
Whoa! Shout out to the Nitecore primes. Almost bought a set a while ago. Absolutely love them
I know, we reviewd them a while back and I'm still in love!
Great video. There's a little hidden 1/4 20 on the cold shoe mount, just unscrew the cold shoe... I know that this doesn't answer the problem of attaching the actual lidar unit in a lower config but it is very handy for more securely attaching it to the top of a cage or straight into the top of one of the Blackmagic pocket cameras :)
Sorry for our phrasing, we meant on the unit itself because the cold shoe foot in comes with is not always ideal.
What Shane said!!! Haha but also the issue with the cold shoe is that it the LiDAR is up higher than it probably should be, you generally probably want it flush with the front of your lens.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Deffo agreed. Wider and tighter lenses suffer if the LiDar is too high or too low!
The placement of it sure gives me a headache, the cables are pretty special too, had one break and no one was carrying a replacement in store and none of my other cables fit into the handle. I do wish there was some cables that was longer too for when mounting the lidar a bit higher up. Also noticed the problem with the battery and well I have lost my profiles more than once and had to go through the whole part with synching my lenses again. It goes pretty fast but if you set it all up at home and then end up on location it is really annoying to set them up again.
I really do hope someone will sell a better mount like you have. I have small rigs matte box for some of my lenses and it blocks the lidar
Any suggestions where to get spare cables ?
@ I bought the expensive ones from DJI. But it took like 2 weeks to get them too… so sadly not
Great video. Thanks. And I will tell you what i noticed while shooting. when you are in a room full of haze, lidar can't work at medium and far distances. that's what you need to be prepared for
thanks.. yeah well that makes sense. it's trying to send out light beams and it will hit the haze not what your subject is.
Yup, fairly common sense that the LiDar beams can't see through things obscuring the talent which includes haze, glass, etc. and it wont work on reflections / mirrors etc. either. Thanks for mentioning it though, many people may not realise that.
Without your video I would have plugged the batteries from my DJI RS2 and RS3 Pro in the Dji Focus Pro... A big thank you to you for avoiding me this tragic mistake.
@@apentice001 glad we could help you not blow up your system 🤣
Thanks for pointing out these issues!
you are welcome
I would say it's shocking the amount of crappy connectors that are out there, but it's not. I'm curious about this, but feel it's a luxury in my case. Though, who knows. I've seen other vids complaining about lidar mounting. Makes one wonder how much testing these companies do. Great review!
I think they knew but figured 3rd parties would solve it.
Wow for just a second i thought it was a great option and can do a perfect things right away , but seen this info makes me thinking twice before buying it.
@@yousifwleed1935 I mean we still recommend that we think it’s fantastic! But don’t buy into the hype or thinking somthing that is cool is perfect!
Another problem I run into is the lack of possibilities to adjust te FOV of the lidar camera, specially on longer focal lengths the difference is way to big
Excellent review. Thanks for that. Are adapters (e.g. PL to L mount ones) affecting the accuracy of the calibration of the lidar focusing system? Thanks in advance.
@@joaquinperalba1624 you are welcome!!
no it shouldn’t as you are manually calibrating each lens. (Just make sure you measure the distance between the frount of the LiDAR and the sensor plain correctly).
That was weird hearing Cam and seeing myself 😂
Great work, doing up my long term video soon 🔥🙏🏾
No harm meant - Love your work, keen to hear what you have to say!
@@ShaneVanLitz
Sorry Kofi I didn’t watch your video. i only saw his We just grabbed the relevant clips from his video for it!
I’m Keen to hear your thoughts on the kit!! ❤️
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial no harm taken! I was surprised 🙏🏾 coming up soon!
Great video guys!
Thanks so much!
Do you have the file for the 3D print sled ? I’m very interested to buy it if you have it. Thanks you !
For just using Lidar AutoFocus without the Active Track moving the gimbal, you have to be in WIDE mode, not Flex Spot mode. I've just done a test and it was able to keep me in focus, even if I moved to the sides of the frame without moving the gimbal at all. Interested if you've still had a different experience?
good tips, ill have Shane try it out.
@@AlterEgoCreates okay? Shane checked it and you are correct. It does have a basic face tracking in wide mode.
Shane says that this is close to what he is wanting but not quite the same as the handle allows you to lock onto faces rather than just let the AF do what it wants .
It also doesn’t have the ability to tweak the stinkiness nor can you take over the focus like you can with the handle
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Yea fair enough. Not perfect but doable. I need to test with multiple people but I think in wide mode, you roll the wheel and it'll select and stick to the one you specify. *I think* that's how it works, even if you don't hit the trigger which would initiate active track.
Question for you! Have you sorted out if the RS4 Pro can only store 3 lenses, or is there a way to do more like the grip that can store 15?? I find it crazy that it's essentially the same hardware piece but I can't get more than 3 on the gimbal. Would love to know if you experience the same.
@@AlterEgoCreates as far as i know its still limited to 3 lenses.
we think they should allow you to store the info in the app and swap out as needed if memory is the limitation.
can you post the 3D printed cover somewhere?
Early reviews are all paid advertisements
@@JeffBourke I don’t necessarily grew that but generally factors are against the reviewer from being able to do a proper job
amazing video! I see in the video youre using Metabones adapters have you tried Speedbooster, do they work with the Lidar System?
Speedboosters should be fine because you manually set what is in focus yourself, the LiDar has no idea.
@@ShaneVanLitz thanks. Apparently some people had issues with speedboosters in the past. but i was asking because there are updates, tha maybe could have fixed that.
@@charlesucha3751 Righto - I think the issues is that you'd have to do the conversion maths when calibrating! If you're using a 50mm lens on a speedbooster the LiDar will expect a 35mm (or there about) focal length, not 50mm. Other than that, I'm not sure.
Any way to power this to a V-Mount?
Does the handle need to stay on the rig for the LiDar to work? - Like on gimbals
The LiDar unit can work without the handle if you have an RS4 but with some limited functionality vs with the Focus Pro handle.
Great review it's one of the best I've seen so far, It's nice to see someone dive into the quirks. Could you possibly share the print files for the mount and the cover?
@@lassekamper we are going to start selling them very soon!
Thank you so much.
anychance you can share the 3d print for the lidar unit rod mount? My setup is similar and it's going to be very cramp if I snug the lidar unit on the top of the camera.
hi sorry can I ask you for that bumper cover protection from the DJI Focus Pro where did you get it and I would like to put it too? Can you send me the link so I can get it? I'm waiting thank you very much
Can i manually change zoom and expect the focus pro system to still pull focus correctly regardless of the current zoom setting?
@@chrisbe I haven’t tested it, but in theory it should work perfectly fine as long as the zoom lens is parfocal
Hello great video. Unfortunately I have a problem. I have my setup as follows: dji RS4 Pro, Lidar Pro, focus motor pro on a Fuji xh2s with an Irix Cine lens on a cage I have calibrated the focus motor. In manual mode the lights on the lidar and motor are permanently red and I can focus with the gimbal wheel. However, when I switch to automatic mode, the lidar lights up green and the motor yellow. Although I have already calibrated. What could be the problem? I look forward to your feedback. Also from the community BR Tim from Germany
Thanks for making this video!
@@luaaraujo8674 you are welcome
There is a way to have auto focus without auto panning and tilting, you hit the trigger once in the front to turn it off and on
@@raildude270 so yes and no you get centrepoint auto focus when you do this but you lose face detect. You should be able to use it like you would the lighter or any other AF Camera.
Having to put your subject in the The direct centre is extremely restricting
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial interesting that’s not how mine has been working, maybe you need to update your firmware?
@@raildude270we can double check, but there is autofocus. But the autofocus box does not track the face unless the gimbal auto follows the subject as well.
Where can we get the 3d printed mount you created?
has anything changed since the release of this video? Did DJI push some updates that solve integration with Ronin RS 4 Pro?
@@evgeniy9582 as far as I know the last firmware update was in April! And it was just for a few bugs nothing major.
Can we purchase the 3d printed mount?
Just butt the Lidar unit against the wall or some straight edge. Then measure the distance from the wall to the sensor marker. How difficult is that?
@@CodyCha not a terrible way to go but, you are assuming the Wall is straight and that you are holding it straight and mounted perfectly straight haha
It’s meant to be dialled in as accurate as 1 mm.
Sounds pretty clunky. Not sure how that’s any easier than just measuring from the top of the lidar 😅
@@ShaneVanLitz the lidar is mounted 4-6 inches above the "focal plane mark" on the camera. It's not a straight measurement.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Use a right-angle ruler
@@CodyCha this is what I suggested in the video haha. but that also depends on how wide the sensor mark is. point being its not super simple espesullly on the fly.
How sticky is the V2 LiDAR-enabled ActiveTrack in low light. In theory, LiDAR-enabled auto-tracking would work in the dark, making tracking reliable in variable and poor light. How has your low-light experience been?
The LiDar might be able to see well in low light, but the built-in camera used for subject tracking is still a camera with a small sensor. Not really sure how low-light you're looking for but it's been mostly fine in the situations I've used it in.
@@ShaneVanLitz Thanks - I bought it and did what ZERO RUclipsrs have done -- test how low the light has to go before this $700 LiDAR / visible light camera unit fails to track. So far it's not very good for an expensive unit. If the gimbal tracks a subject who steps into darkness and back into light, or walks behind a barrier, or is covered by another human, this "Pro" tracking unit immediately loses the subject and aborts tracking, or starts tracking the wrong person, and someone has to intervene, which is counter to the purpose of automated tracking. Why abort? why not just wait and re-acquire when ActiveTrack sees the recognized subject again? The system is "dumber" than I thought. I'm stuck using it on an RS4 Pro, but I certainly wish it were better.
@@ShaneVanLitz FYI, I looked into Apple's version of active track (DockKit). First gimbal to use it is Insta360 Flow Pro. I bought and tested at a job -- and TL;DR -- a $150 gimbal with DockKit is FAR better at tracking than DJI's $700 unit. Not promoting, just really surprised. It tracks in extreme low light, tolerates people walking in front of the subject, and tolerates objects obscuring the subject. And when it loses the subject -- unlike DJI's "LiDAR-enhanced" pro tracking -- it simply WAITS and then re-acquires the subject without user intervention, whereas DJI's best product gives up/aborts.
@ sounds about how I’d expect it to go given it’s a camera that the lidar uses for tracking and cameras need light. Sorry it didn’t work out for you.
Do you know if you can start/stop record ursa cameras with the handgrip (without) a gimbal?
@@jessfilmdiaries depends on the camera but I believe so
Great info .yes ! Transfer focus box ghost onto atomos ninja v that doesnt show in recording!It says the lidar pro can replace lidar rs on ronin rs 3?. If you covered this in this video i will be saving as reference.Great accesories!Thank You
@@DroseMr I believe it’s compatible with the RS3 pro According to the DJI website
So the RS4 Pro battery is not compatible?? I thought I read yesterday that it was?? Man - I hope I didn’t hurt anything by using it. When I got the system yesterday the shipped batt was dead - so I used the Ronin 4 batt after I thought I read that it would work. Everything powered on correctly??? Wow! That is not cool. There should be very apparent warnings about that!
this is correct.. if it stops working in the next week send it back and don't say what you did haha
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial So I found this on the DJI website regarding battery compatibility:
“Does the Grip support power supply from other batteries?
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The Grip only supports power supply from the BG21
Battery Grip, which is interchangeable with the battery grips for DJI RS 3 and DJI RS 4.” - So I am confused??? Can I use the RS4 battery or not? Also, there appears to be no Focus Pro spare batts available anywhere…
@@LiteShaper1 you can’t use the RS4 pro battery but the battery that comes with the RS4 is the same one that comes with the handle!
It’s all very confusing and stupid 🤣
Have you tested it with par-focal zooms
@@LensofWyant I have not sorry
Taylor did in fact let the tracking get me.
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Quick one, what 90 degree hdmi adapter are you using?
@@Frechelon just a generic one from eBay is an adapter not a cable
Sounds like it's better to use the focus motor with Panasonic cameras and skip the lidar unit..
You may be thinking of the LiDar compatibility with Panasonic cameras..
I’m not sure what you mean here!
anyone know where the creator or all in one combo are in stock in the US?
what about 20cm close focus lenses? Lidar detect this short distance?
Sorry, I don't have any lenses with close focus like that to check!
You are wrong at 6:42 .. you can disable active track on gimbal and after that you will be the one controlling the gimbal
@@feedback-s3q from my understanding this disabled face auto focus as well ! All it does it centre focus!
Thanx a lot! No one of Chinese never said about these issues ! Thank you !!! You just saved me a couple of thousand dollars!
@@chudopalov1977 glad we could help!!
Great review but you didn't address the main issue: you can't buy it anywhere. In Europe is not in stock in any web or shop. Do you know anything about this?
Bought 3 months ago, still havent received mine😢
Sorry, we can’t do much about supply unfortunately, not got much to do with us I’m afraid! We both pre ordered a day or two after the announcement and received them pretty quick but I have seen people posting about stock issues in some countries since then.
Haha yeah unfortunately that is the issue. I think they were far more popular than dji thought they would be.
Would be possible to provide stl of cover and rod clamp?
We are considering selling it as a product!
When and where? ;-) @@TheFilmGuyOfficial
Do have to buy a dji gimbal?
@@tecno8335 for it to work directly with the LiDAR yes but we have mounted the focus pro to onto the camera and then put it on a rs2 technically that would be possible with other gimbals
I don’t know how you bought it because it’s not available anywhere here in Canada or the US including from DJI so????
Placed a pre-order the day after the announcement 😅
@@randallburgess6393 we have stock in Australia! I ordered directly from the supplier and we got ours pretty quickly although I have lots of friends who can’t get them currently
That battery issue is concerning!
3rd party’s will solve it! But for now just buy the BG21 I have 3 now!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial which battery did you try (that started to get hot)? the BG30 or the BG70?
@@zakforsmanthe one included with the rs4 Pro. That focus pro hand unit ended up dying a few days later and DJI replaced it with a new one. We’re not sure the problem was related though in fairness!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialthere is only one type of bg21 right ? Not a gimbal version ?
Clearly, I won't EVER trust any youtubers doing "early reviews" of product. I own a Focus Pro that has loads of qwirks and problem, glitches that were never ever mentionned by any of them.
The double check and glitch of calibration is a real pain and a software non sense.
Some you seems to not have experienced are problem when shooting someone close to lens (2-3 meters) while loads of people are behind. The Lidar just freaks out and can't lock onto the person in front. Focus Pro can't focus on faces only and freaks out when you have someone among cars or people or both. A
s for the Battery solution, this shows how much the RS4 Pro is a joke as the RS3 Pro is exactly what the RS4 Pro does. And the retrocompatibility of previous lidar with the RS4 PRO is not properly working either... It feels like a preprod unit.
The Lidar is so power hungry that it shows that a new Ronin system with interchable battery without needing to break down the set up is needed without going to an R2. RS2/RS3/RS4 are just little step upgrades without much added to them. A fresh up is needed for bigger Ronin setup than the typical FX3 / G Master configuration without getting a heavy and expensive R2.
On the plus side, the hand grip when set up to control Zoom with one motor is freaking great, the haptic feedback change the feel of the wheel to act as a "broadcast like" zoom rocker. It feels million times better than a Tilta Nucleus M.
Not to defend RUclipsrs but they are in a weird position where they are expecting firmware updates to come within days. Usually the companies tell them that this is happening so they are not mentioning bugs. They think they’re going to be fixed because it would be irrelevant if they are fixed by the time the product comes out and to make the product look bad when it may not be the case.
It’s a shame things aren’t fixed
I can’t say I’ve had that issue with the close focus, but I haven’t been in that exact situation yet! You should make a video showing an example.
In terms of the other things he mentioned I think we covered them later in the video .
And yes, I think the motor on this unit is actually quite good so it feels like a very decent focus motor
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial True that youtubers are in a weird spaces, and the firmware beta / test is a bummer. Things need to change and that's start on the brand and communication plan from the companies, not the youtubers.
Look at the launch of the Z6 III from Nikon: They use influencers in their own campains and pay them for it, use their images and that's it. Then influencers can talk or not on this gear without obligations. Then later you can have tech reviewer or real users of final product sharing their though on the product. It's less hype and more transparent content.
About close focus bug, it's not really close focus. Just imagine that you are following (walking backwards) to shoot someone in crowded area. Even if the the crowd is pretty far away from the subject the lidar will start to change subject and start to select the people behind your subject then you subject again and again.
waaaaaaaiiiiit!!!! so if you shoot solo, when you connect the lidar to the RS4, as a solo shooter you can't operate the RS4 anymore? the lidar is the unit that control the ronin? if so, thats just a no no. so you can only use the ronin when you have a focus puller? then you can just hire a focus puller instead of using the lidar. soooooooo as a solo shooter the handheld unit is what you need otherwise the lidar is useless?
@@LTULOfficial kinda yeah! Essentially it tries to frame your subject for you while you move around!
I don’t understand how they thought this was okay
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I have a 2nd question, is it possible to use the lidar on a photons? because all I see are cine lenses. do you guys maybe know if its possible to use on a photo lens?
@@LTULOfficial it only works with lenses that have hard stops for the focus!
I have a friend who has used it with his modded photo lenses, but the mod includes hard stops!
@@LTULOfficialyes, you can use the lidar with photo lenses but only officially with some Panasonic cameras and the experience doesn’t seem ideal (focus pulls stutter). You may have luck with stills lenses with gears strapped on but I really wouldn’t recommend it at all.
I’m thinking it might be possible to control the gimbal if you buy the handgrip, you will attach it to the side of the gimbal. In that way you could use the autofocus and control the gimbal? Is there anyone who has tried that? @thefilmguyofficial
There are much, much more issues than this review has, like loosing stored profiles and having to re-calibrate each battery swap when being powered from d-tap or v-mount, to name a rather big one. Wrong readings when using zoom on calibration is another one. It does seem like the demand for this one is huge, but it's a rather under-developed product firmware-wise. Also, the cable clusterfuck reminds me of macbook dongles in 2018. I wish they open the system to use other motors and focus systems with the lidar, but unfortunately DJI is not the company to expect an open system from. It's an Apple of the camera world, where each product will limit you to use their own line-up of products.
There isn't an official way to run iff off dtap yet. Have I missed something? if you use an accessory for the ronin you like putting too much power into it which is causing issues.
as per the zoom thing, I cant say I have had that issue but I haven't tried it.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial there are regulated d-tap to usb splitters like for years already.
@@alexlubensky yes but they usally have to be designed to push through the correct voltage.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial usb is 5v. Straight cable delivers 12v unregulated, regulated splitters always do 5v
@@alexlubensky Just wanted to chip in to say that not all USB-C is created equal, it's not magic. The grip can use PD fast charging which most dumb D-Tap converters cannot supply. The hand unit voltage is 7.2-8.4v not 5v and I'm not sure it can charge while it's in use, not to mention how awkward the cable nest would become without a more bespoke solution from DJI. I have tried connecting the grip to a PD USB-C battery pack and did not get charging LEDs while the device was powered on, but your results may vary depending on adaptors etc. I also wonder if lens profiles can be deleted / corupted when power is sudenly lost without giving the device time to power off. I've lost some profiles when the device overheated as mentioned in the video but wasn't sure if the two issues were related or not - if that is going to be a concern when it's used with power bases from third parties than that's something to keep an eye on for sure. Lastly, I've not used any zoom lenses with it but I believe you - the software is not polished enough yet IMO and they need to update it more to get rd of some of these issues.
will it works with Ronin2?
You can check the LiDar page on the DJI website for current compatibility. I believe it only works with the Focus Pro, RS3 and RS4.
@@airfilm_it shane it is correct but you can also balance the system so that you have the focus pro on the gimbal as well haha
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial ok but i need to use the handle with monitor, attacehd to the Ronin2?
Any answer to the below question?
@@airfilm_it yes you would! The lighter won’t work directly with the ronin! But in theory you could Balance the focus pro kit on it also!
Better say "sorry about you being in the video" guys hahaha wth
I’m not sure what you mean?
This item could be discontinued. No more units available.
@@chrisyeong I think they are fixing some problems!