Colin Cowherd & Doug Gottlieb React to Episode 7 & 8 of 'The Last Dance'
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2020
- THE HERD - Colin Cowherd & Doug Gottlieb break down everything observed in the latest episodes of 'The Last Dance.'
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That ending of Ep. 7 was incredible, wow. Got me all choked up again MJ! He doesnt owe anybody anything.
Isn’t it strange that people in the media talk about the media as if they are not part of the media?
It's an outmoded term anyway. Anymore anybody with a webcam and wifi can be "the media."
@@75aces97 not really. Being "the media" isnt defined by broadcasting. Its defined by people listening lol
I have around 6k subscribers and wouldnt call myself "the media"
@@ExtraVictory
You're getting into semantics and arbitrary definitions. First off, broadcasting isn't a requisite. The so-called media is often a strawman that would refer to radio, TV, newspapers and magazines. Ca 1993-1998, i.e. during the events of episodes 7 and 8, and there was relatively little national sports broadcast programming, so if people said "media," likely as not, they meant something in print.
Second, number of listeners or readers is only brought up after further consideration. To use Last Dance examples, it flashed a few articles and columns suggesting a connection between James Jordan's murder and his son's gambling debt. I didn't recognize the names in the bylines, and I don't know which publications these were from. I know even less how many people read them at the time, just as I don't know how many people still watch Skip Bayless or Dan Patrick, but I know they have shows on a network.
My point was, in 1995 there was a meaningful distinction between having a radio spot on 1-on-1 Sports and yammering about some topic at the bus stop, but not no2. I don't know how many people listened to either person 25 years ago, butnonenhad the potential to reach tens of millions of listeners and one didn't. I don't know how many subscribers you have now or will have next year, but even if I don't happen to know who you are, you can theoretically reach as many viewers as a multimillion $ company.
When people want to claim they're being picked on by "the media," they'll point to articles, TV spots, podcasts, radio, no matter how obscure.
To sum it all up “when the cat’s gone. Mice will play”. As soon as Jordan came back the party was over. It was time to win championships again.
LOL TRUE
The sports writers were the conspiracy theorists if I remember correctly. In fact they start all the BS in sports.
Jordan is the greatest competitor ever.
Lebron, greatest God given size and talent.
Give me MJ anytime
There are other guys better than Lebron, not just Michael...
@@tangaraspeedgoda7436 No there isn't.
philly 1971 Kobe... yup I said it.
@@fpridgeway Kareem > Lebron
Someone show this to Eddie Bravo
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U stole the words outta my mouth 😂
Jordan wasn't old school when he was dominating all those Hall of Fame dudes & crushing or improving his teammates' spirits.
That man had just lost his father that and the gambling acusations caused Mike to retire.
I can agree that the grief had something to do with it. I'd wager (ha) that mob forced it.
Mafia forced it, i bet he paid them for what he owed. And he was forced out by nba cause of that gambling scandal
@@synergistex7088 wym? Can you elaborate?
@@synergistex7088 jordan was burned up lol.
Some people just go insane and others kill themselves when you get that level of COMMITMENT and FAME.
Jordan needed a break, mob issues or none, he would retire eventually.
Dude retired in 98 and nobody ever mentioned the mob lol
It seems like while Kobe & MJ we’re clearly very different, it seems there was some commitment and drive that was very similar.
And the owner will go: So Do I. Doesn't anybody? 😂😂😂😂😂. I laughed so hard.
Game 6 lakers vs kings was a conspiracy and it was proven to be true
jon snipe lakers winning made the league money. Jordan leaving lost the league money. Cash is king
Kings were Bammas
Kings choked
Exactly
That elbow Kobe gave Bibby on that inbound would've definitely been a tech in today's game. That was a very crucial noncall.
No, MJ would've never made it on a big league roster. I live in Birmingham where Michael played with the Barons, and followed his baseball career with close attention. There's a few iPhone videos of Terry Francona giving a speech recorded at a private banquet in Cleveland that can still be found here on RUclips where he was more brutally honest about MJ's baseball abilities.
Francona said his swing was much too long and drawn out to ever hit major league pitching; he was somewhat clumsy on the base path because he was so slow starting; and his arm wasn't strong or accurate enough for a MLB roster to use as a starting centerfielder either.
What'll surprise you most when talking to those who played baseball with him is how much more carefree he was, and how much more fun he seemed to be having. He was still the iron willed competitor who had to win at everything he did, but nothing like he was in his basketball lifetime. He knew he wasn't the best player on the team so he was free to just be one of the guys in the clubhouse in baseball in ways he never could in the NBA.
Michael actually bought new team buses for the Barons players to travel in which he paid for out of his own pocket. He also bought pool tables and ping pong tables for the clubhouse also. He was never a diva or obnoxious celebrity while playing baseball either. Seriously, he seemed to be a completely different person who actually enjoyed being a Double A baseball player more than he did being the best basketball player in the world.
Growing up in Chicago & being a Bull's fan that theory has always been & still is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard!!! Why are you going to suspend him for NOT breaking a law!?!?!?!!? The type of Gambling he did was NOT illegal & yet idiotic moron's were & still are screaming "Secret Suspension". WTF?!?!!?
Kingpin Status Always thought it was a stupid theory. Never thought of it like you said. Now it’s even a stupider rumor.
Thousands of people believe the earth is flat.
@@thedarkemissary,yeah I'm one😂😂
And some people believe 3n6 is Awsome
Cause it's a bad image to the nba or any other professional sports
I watched the NBA for about 10 years after MJ retired from the Bulls, but I saw the league get less physical and the refs became more active to the point where players flop like soccer players. And then I saw top players join forces instead of create real rivalries. Now players play little defense and jack 3s and I stopped watching the NBA. I hope it goes out of business.
The NBA is soft!!! Its 3 pointer after 3 pointer with half ass defense. Divas play now!
The real David stern conspiracy is nixing the Chris Paul to Lakers trade.
Facts. Stern wanted to make the Clippers relevant.
Pippen was wrong for sitting out the last 1.8 seconds of Game 3. But all of his teammates loved Pip since he set them up for easy shots, covered for them on defense, patted them on the back after MJ lashed out at them, taught them where to be in the triangle and stood up for them when Phil called them out watching film. Pippen wasn't the ideal #1 option but the perfect #2 who can make his teammates better on the court without dominating the ball and taking alot of shots. Pippen made it sustainable for his teammates to play alongside MJ.
Micheal Jordan save the NBA dudes still the highest selling sneakers in the business fascinating
“They are all LOSERS!” - That’s the best thing Colin has ever said !!! Hahahah 👏🏽🙌🏽
“Conspiracy Theorists are losers” - Conspiracy Theorist Colin Cowherd 🤣
Sonny Vaccaro had an entire 30 for 30, no need to include his input into the Lat Dance.
Where can you stream for free the last dance
The first 7 minutes of Colin ranting about school and slush funds were so funny i nearly choked on my dessert!
I rarely comment anywhere, but this take is on point from the start.
MJ was a man's man which is hard to comprehend now. This man played 82 games at age 40 in his last year for the Wizards. With this generation of load management BS that tells you all, you need to know. I know teams are jockeying for rest and all this foolishness but back then you were a man, not a male and sucked it up and competed if you could.
Where can I find the last dance. Is on Netflix.
@Harmonyfrm256, thanks😊
15:49 exactly. To say Scottie was not selfish is just plain wrong, he did not go out on the court for the 1994 ECSF because the play was not drawn for him, and then he was willing to sabotage the season just monetary gains. Like give me break
2:51 😂😂😂😂
2:49 lol
If lebron wants to pass MJ he needs to go Into another sport and win a championship in that sport.
also create the cure for covid-19 and cancer and conquest mars before elon musk
hey colin -what do u have to say about red garland the piano player?
The Patrick Ewing lottery was fixed as hell 😆
It's amazing how people like Doug want to believe something that has not been proven in over 20 years.
You would think that the 2 thugs who committed the crime would have snitched by now. It boils down to someone who is hatin' on Mike and want to believe the worse with no evidence to support their theory. Smh
This is so dumb. Yes suspend him because he gambled legally and didn't pay his debt? That's not even the NBA's responsibility to have him pay debt.
Also, Scottie want the second best player through the first 3 rings before Kukoc came? Come on Doug.
Scottie was underpaid for 7 years. Bad teammate?!!? Terrible management is more like it. How do you perform at a high level night in and night knowing you're the 122nd ranked NBA player in salary. Crazy.
Colin - please read up on “Operation Northwoods”
Jordan was coastal plus had off season grind , Colin's wet dream
Yeah a lot of these conspiracies don't make sense... but that Patrick Ewing one does.... we seen it with the Cavs (kyrie) and pelicans (AD)
The Cavs won the draft lotter three out of the four years that Lebron was in Miami! And when the Pelicans got the #1 lottery pick in the draft, I immediately said that Zion will be the consolation prize for the Pelicans when AD goes to the Lakers. LOL! It was SO OBVIOUS!!!
Doug, Pippen was not a terrible teammate. He had a bad lapse in judgment and made a bad mistake. That does not define his career and all the good things he did for that dynasty.
I agree with Colin 1000% here. But to be fair, the man was saying MJ was kicked out the league cause of gambling like 2 years ago. And said it as a fact. Not conspiracy like he is now.
Wow
Even Russians are like, "Oh, the Asian girl is French."
I'm literally
French to Asian people (because I don't do creepy, anime stuff).
Glad to see Colin dismantle the ridiculous conspiracy theory. Bunch of Alex Jones gossiping crazies.
There's a reason Doug Gottlieb was one of the 1st to get dumped by ESPN. If you HONESTLY go back to that series, Scottie Pippen was dominant & if Hue Hollins doesn't call a phantom foul at the very end of game 5 which allowed Hubert Davis to make 3 free throws to give the Knicks the win, the Bulls go home, win game 6 & the series 4-2. I was angry at Scottie for sitting for the last shot but there were more games to be played. He also helped us win 3 more title's so get out of here with that selective memory BS!
The crazy thing is...if Kukoc doesn’t hit that game winning shot in game 3, the Bulls would have been down 0-3 and the series would have been practically over.
Stop this documentary slander. This is a documentary. If you can get MJ to talk about the stuff you want than make your documentary.
The French thing was maybe only two decades in Vietnam?
o_O
i dont think michael quitting would really change whether or not he could go in public lol. it obviously got him away from constant press conferences and the media, but just cause he quit the nba doesnt mean he can walk through walmart and buy some beer or something lol
I will say this, I have had the same thoughts about what this documentary is really all about. I know jordan was the mastermind behind getting this put together and probably the money, but it does vacillate between being about that final season and being 4/5 just about Michael Jordan.
So Doug is defending the sports media who gave opinions without proof. Yeah let’s interview them 20 years later. I’m sure they have proof now. 🙄
There is no he won't pay his debts. No one cites a source
Mann, I’ve been asking this for quite awhile now...why would they suspend him with 17 games left in the season?!? Why not 2 full seasons? That would make the most sense but nobody was ever able to answer that. They would just assume he was suspended for gambling because they wanted him to be suspended for gambling. Plain and simple.
It’s all about the money not the fans. This is America it’s our way of life money money money Money
Why the hell would Stern suspend the bag💰. Makes no damn sense.
if the the Knicks were better in the current state of the NBA it actually would help
Colin going at Doug
It was a mistake that Bird went to the Celtics and Magic Johnson landed in LA.
No, I've been in that situation.
It's due to too much "this isn't good enough for sales and accounting."
Ny post?? no credit
You know all the mafia nut huggers are heart broken
It's a business. If bulls can consider trading pippen, it's ok for him to be selfish and enjoy his summer. We all have our flaws! Leave him be and be respectful for what he has accomplished.
Only sports conspiracy theory I believe is New Orleans gettin the #1 pick after AD was traded to the Lakers
So you are telling me the allegedly most competitive nut job ever just leaves randomly at his absolute apex for no reason.
When ur so great why not try something else before it's too late. No way he could have tried baseball at 38.
@78mfleet, you murdered him with that comment 😂
88smjls You kind of answered your “supposed” question. He’s competitive in everything so now he was just taking that to the baseball diamond. His career shows he competed in everything no matter what it was so that’s why he could retire and do something else. With Kobe, his competitiveness was only in basketball so he played 20 straight years. It all makes sense.
Nobody. Literally nobody theorizes that.
No conspiracy theorist. Nobody. What we are talking about? I lived thru that time and followed it all avidly, and this theory just wasn't a thing.
This is my favourite mainline sports guy (Cowherd) but not sure what this rant was about.
Colin, it wasn't a frozen envelope. He bent the corner of it as it went in the pot, and is seen straightening out the corner while holding up the New York Knicks after opening. It is plain to see.
you cant say mj didnt care about social media you just cant.
The reason the Bulls did crappy the following season after the 1.8 sec sit out, was because Ho Grant left and went to the Magic. That being said Pip is good leader not a great leader
Really they were good just not championship ready
Still I Rise4485 34-31 without Michael is good?
@@WindyCityNick i was referring to 93-94 Bulls. 94-95 they were ass w o MJ and HG
If MJ is as competitive as everyone wants us to believe he is, and if he was an excessive gambler to say the least like it seems he was, there’s no way on Earth he never, ever, once bet on a basketball game.
Colin I hear what you're saying ,but you need to fact check yourself before you go on these rants. When referring to the 1984 Draft ,there was no internet money, and the game hadn't even started to go global when Stern took over the NBA. Boston, LA, New York were the only popular teams at the time.Jordan is quoted as saying New York is the mecca of basketball, especially back then in the 80's . Very obvious bent corner on the envelope.
But everyone hates Kyrie right smh
Some puppies act very Vietnamese, so maybe some puppies are French too.
I rather have Colin tell me about Westbrook stat padding
Pippen is protected by Jordan. Pippen is being too honest in this doc. Jordan will cover for Scottie.
That's just who he was. Pippen was maybe the best second guy ever, but not a good #1. These guys didn't even mention his gun charge that year without Jordan.
@@75aces97 Are people noticing how many introverts were around Jordan. This fame makes people not understand the difference between introverts and extroverts.
@@Dryltd I have no idea. Depending on which armchair psychiatrist i read, Jordan was an introvert himself. I dont know enough about the people around him to guess, or the significance of it in the interpersonal dynamics.
You can’t find one conspiracy that’s been proven right in sports? Have we forgotten about the NBA ref convicted of throwing gamers? Specifically Sacramento vs Los Angles?
If a player is betting on games he is playing on then you have to give him the Pete Rose treatment all of it sounds shady. Not saying it a conspiracy. It looks weird. Frozen envelope helps the New York Knicks market like Collin said follow the 💰
Gottlieb is annoying. He's one of these guys that if something's not quite negative enough, it's not real. Good for Colin for standing up to this borderline troll. Yeah, let's whine about them not talking to everyone that was just looking for any dirt on MJ throughout his career... How would that be any more credible than something that's supposedly too positive all the time? It wouldn't. Journalism is almost always slanted in some way, no matter how miniscule. I guess he better question himself too, because he for sure has opinions. The take that this isn't a documentary is basically a butthurt take from journalists that can't stand seeing something that doesn't actually throw dirt on someone. I guess trolls stick together.
What about Jordan saying if david stern let's me back in the league when asked if he would come back.
I don’t know this answer but had anybody before MJ tried to come back after retiring? If not, maybe that’s the answer...it was new territory.
Also, MJ told his trainer he was going to play basketball back in 1992 which was a year before he retired. His trainer had a basketball workout for the up coming season but also a baseball workout for the following year when that time came.
It's possible he was gambling on Basketball games. Pete Rose not in HOF because of gambling. Stop acting like it's nothing.
Of course Mike wasn't suspended for gambling
Sucks for doug, he did this when Kobe died and stern well there kinda asses, plus today reiterating the point of mike n his dad, we get it Doug feel bad that’s not good karma
lol Colin describing Trump and his supporters.
Doug never disappoints.. terrible sports analyst..
Colin: "Conspiracy theorists are losers." Also Colin: "I like Donald Trump."
Colin theories make since.
What gets me about Jordan being the best of all time. First Magic went to 8 NBA finals in his first 10 years winning 5 including his first year.
Bird went to 5 NBA finals in 10 years winning 3 including his 2nd year with the celtics.
Magic went to four in a row as did Bird go to 4 in a row.
Several times they beat each other.
Jorden took till his 7th year to get to the NBA finals.
Won three in a row. Then basically took off two seasons. Before returning to win 3 in a row. Then retired for a second time.
Bird and Magic didnt take off a couple of years cause they were stressed. They played no matter what.
So Bird and Magic are 2 "Goats" at least that I would put before Jordan. During the times I was old enough to remember all of NBA from 80s on......
What colin fails to realize is that the guy owed 1.7 mil to someone else.
Even if he had the money to pay it is a wrong move and coild lead tk sispisions Michael may be setting up games to pay back jis debts.
Even though he was winning nice try
He didn't like to pay his gambling debts that is a fact
The frozen envelope was real, way to obvious.
So the league fall apart players and owners are richer
Ewing draft was fixed
Gottlieb still talking???
I don’t get why everyone wants to believe in their own minds that Jordan daddy died cause of MJ’s gambling habits..if that’s what the man say then just take it for that!
The conspiracy as I heard it was Jordan was suspended for two years. He did what he had to do to convince the NBA to let him back early.
The weird thing to do is come back like that with 17 games left while not being in b-ball shape. He could have just waited and got in shape and then did this thing. But the conspiracy still doesn’t make sense to me...was he doing anything illegal?
Also, according to his trainer & others, he told them in ‘92 that he was going to play baseball. His trainer had a basketball workout for the upcoming season and a baseball workout ready when that time came the next year.
“If David Stern lets me back in the league”- Michael Jordan
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John Solly583 I don’t know the answer but before MJ, had anybody retired and then tried to come back? If not, that could be the answer...it’s new territory and the Commish would have to sign off on that. Kind of like when MJ wanted to go back to #23. They wouldn’t let him at first but he then had to pay to “un-retire” that number again.
78mfleet that’s a quote from mike during his first retirement speech you bozo
jtremaine23 no idea I’d assume it would be the bulls decision if he made the team as I’m guessing he was still under contract. There’s a lot of sketchy things that happened around that time. The conspiracies are really strong in this case.
@@johnsolly5838 The only thing is there are several people including his trainer that said he told them in 92 he was going to play baseball so his trainer had a basketball workout for the 92-93 season and he had a baseball workout ready when that time came the following year. Some of these conspiracies just don't make sense.
The last dance absolutely firmly cements Jordan behind labron James I had Jordan at 3 but wow I almost thought he was better then James!
heard he couldnt hit curve ball
Heard you couldn't find the hole😂😂
Woj and Brian windhorst didn't even know where durant or LeBron was going let alone Jordan's relationship with kobe. Peter vessy, meh.
No, he was suspended for 10 games and Mike said f u and left the league to play baseball
5:30
1. He was in an all male workforce. Rest assured, if he had female teammates and treaded them that aggressively/harshly he'd be out of the league or fined so heavily he'd change his behavior. Toxic masculinity is a term invented by feminist in service to women. Without women around the term has no function.
2. Social media wasn't big yet, so resisting it was easier.
How does Doug say when lebron leaves a team it falls apart when mj left the league fell apart lmao makes zero sense for a comparison. but the reason league fell off for ratings is because there was No one similar to MJ, it's also why kobe had more fans in 2001 than shaq even though shaq was the more dominant player leading the way.ppl want high flying acrobatic jaw dropping highlights. The 90's didn't have those guys the top 90's SG's and SF's in the league were. Reggie, Clyde, Mitch richmond, john starks, joe dumars. Top SF's chris mullin, grant hill, glen rice, pippen, almost none of them are high flyers only basketball purist can enjoy them. today's nba (Not lebron)Aaron Gordon, Kawhi, Derrick jones, jimmy butler, paul george, Jayson tatum, Devin booker, you can pick almost any team and be entertained by their athleticism. I love MJ i have no doubt he would be one of the best if not the best in today's game, but his competition in his position was so weak. he was guarded by 6ft tall PG's most ECF's and Finals. These are just the facts of it. respect though he was great enough to eat up those mismatches among the fact teams couldn't play zone so he got to take them 1 on 1 all game if he wanted.
Interestingly, I barely watched the games in today’s NBA with all the high flyers because it’s all about shooting 3’s and dunks/layups. There’s practically no defense anymore. Guys don’t even know how to post up. They are not that entertaining to me and the ratings show that.
The sad part is this documentary is more exciting than the games played in today’s league.
In the playoffs, MJ has been guarded by 6’8 Rodman, 6’8 Smith, 6’7 Drexler, 6’7 Penny, 6’7 Miller, 6’6 Thunder Dan, 6’6 Anderson, etc. It didn’t really matter who was on him.
Teams like the 90’s Knicks used to play zone and get away with it. Ironically, MJ hit the game winning shot in college against a zone...go figure.
There's one problem with Colin Cowherd. He is ignorant and makes terrible predictions.
Although I agree with Colin for the most part about conspiracies, I think there was a favourable chance the Knicks-Ewing vote was rigged. Remember, back in 1984, there was no internet, no global takeover in basketball by the NBA, and so the NBA was still trying to grow it's brand.
And my team were the Knicks back then.. and I could only follow the NBA with a once a week TV show called NBA Action in Australia lol