How To Properly Time and Install Timing Chains on a VR6
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Timing chain failure is very common on the VR6 engine. Today we are going to install new timing chains, cam shafts, and intermediate shaft on a AAA VR6. You can use these tips to time almost any engine.
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This is one of the most requested videos I have gotten since I got this GTI. I hope it helps you guys rock out some timing chains,.
i just did a set of these about two months ago. it wasnt too bad, considering i did the work on the street in front of my house. now if i could just figure out why the new clutch doesnt want to disengage and makes a funny sound at full pedal compression....darn 02a's anyway
+Josh Hust did you put the throw out bearing in?
hi Charles love the videos. Im planing on doing the chains on my VR6 but mine has the two row upper chain, I have the sprockets to swap to single row its ok to do that or should i stay with the doble row ?? (in dap they cost the same but idk the brand in ecs its a 100 dollar difference between the two kits) what should i do
Thanks awsome tutorial.
Konradbie Did you check Schimmel Performance? I would trust them. Don't use ECS. I have had problem after problem with them shipping me returned or damaged parts. You have to stay with the type you have unless you are changing sprockets. The single row is supposed to be quiter. The double is supposed to be better for big cams.
hey bro, this is the best and cleanest video i been watched on last times, thank you for all...
do you have any videos like this for another engines?? like 1.8t 20v??
thanks
You’re still helping me, 5 years later, thanks man!!!
i thought engine timing was a lot more complicated than that. very enjoyable video charles, you're great at explaining things.
To be fair some engines are insane to time. This one is pretty easy
@@HumbleMechanic u got that right, some cars aint to be made days where you need to inject the coffe instead of drinking it. you can double check so many times that you get even more and more confused ....go inside and watch " these are the days of your life " while you fall asleep . by the way , can you replace the chain guides whitout any major " problems " ? - thanks for all your videos by the way - i loved ericthecarguy, but hey...then i discovered you !!!
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Thanks for the info, I’m about to do this by myself on my gti. I’ve never done anything this big but I feel really confident I’ll be able to do it without to much trouble.
Take your time and stay organized!!! You’ll do great
I've been afraid to do the head gasket on my 2002 Civic for this exact reason. It's already had a timing belt done, and I was afraid to disturb it since it's an interference engine. This gave me some confidence though. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome videos man! Rebuilding a 12V VR6 for my Mk1 GTI and these have been incredibly helpful. Between your videos and the Bentley manual, there is no guesswork
Good video, I know I spent several days boggling why the chain marks didn't light up with the sprocket marks the first time around.
Great guide. It is a fairly straightforward process on the VR6. The only issue I ran into doing mine was that one of the cambolts was incredibly tight and rounded when I tried to undo it. No problem if you're upgrading the cams but a pain if you're not. Cheers
Badgertronix happened to me as well, had to heat the hell out of the bolt with a gas torch.
Did you have to pull the motor?
@@stanlee2200 yes you have to pull the motor you have to put it on a engine stand
Saved this because I knew I was gonna be doing one.
Also glad my engine is on the bench, there was too much other work needed "while I am in there"
i just got done doing chains and guides on my wifes obd2. everyone was telling me that it is just a horrible job to do, but i found that it was nothing more than time consuming. lots of parts to take off to get to the chains, and nothing more. a couple of metal rulers held the cams at TDC, and a breaker bar on the crank kept things lined up, and it just popped together. and i can sure tell NOW that the old chains were getting noisy, when compared to how the engine sounds now! next step, figuring out why the o2a doesnt want to disengage the clutch properly after bleeding....
Great video! I love to see other VR6 enthusiasts making informative videos.
Very nice and helpful DIY video for 12v vr6 engines 👍 this helped me alot for my engines 😁 You sir, are THE legend for VAG cars 😁
Thanks from Croatia 😎🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷
3 yrs later and this video is still great, will be using this soon for a 24v swap into my rado
Brilliant. Wish I had this a few years ago while “winging it” in my driveway, propping up the engine some 2x4s. It was a success but I would have felt more confident watching this a few times.
Looks soooo much easier with the engine out of the car.
One big ugh though: there was a little bit of slack at the top of the top chain which I couldn’t get out and I didn’t want to take a 24 mm on the cam shafts to adjust for fear of screwing up (which I did once when my cam shaft plate slipped out!! Thought I may have bent some valves).
Well, it’s been running quiet and well for four years - so close, but not perfect like your job.
amazing quality, camera work, I'm never gonna time an engine, this was still interesting (better than this old House TV 😀)
You know your a mechanic when you watch a video like this that you find interesting and someone says 'that looks so boring'
HAHAHHAH Tell that someone to shut up! Just kidding of course. :P
I'm no mechanic, I'm a 20 year old who's had their dad to everything for them and I found it very interesting 😂
Who the heck say boring 🤦 engineering masterpiece is this and doing this magic is an art.
I don't find this boring, I'm just frustrated that I can't do it now because I don't have a driveway or a car or a garage
NOT REALLY MATE. my brother is 28 he likes this stuff but can fix shit
Thank you Humble Mechanic. I timed my VR6 last night. It was an exiting experience. It worked like a charm. This video made so easy for me. I feel like I can time any engine now. Once again thank you.
saved this video on my laptop and brought it out to time my new jetta vr6. Timing interference engines always has me a little nervous but this video helped me out a ton!
Thank you for yet another great video! I've never done an engine rebuild before but your videos as well as many hours of reading the manuals and forums have given me reassurance to tackle my R build
Thank you so much for this video Charles! I gotta change the timing chain on my VR Corrado and this video helped me a lot to understand and to time it properly.
Greetings from Austria ;)
Top notch stuff. I've never gone that deep into a vr6. If I ever have to,I won't be afraid. Thanks Charles.
HM I think the way you explain and show what your doing is outstanding . You would make an excellent teacher your calm laid back and push through the BS that many young tech's struggle with plus your a wealth of information and tips Respect to you sir Daz UK
Charles had me a bit confused when you were turning it at the end . You said turn it clockwise but it was going counter clockwise. I forgot we were looking at the back of the engine. I'm too used to timing chains/belts in front of the engine.
Doooooh! My home moment.lol
Brad Downs , i was wondering the same thing! Did u figure that counter clockwise, is the way engine runs?
Humble mechanic... I love your videos. I've watched a lot of them and I've never caught you in something that you were wrong about until today... I wish you were right I've always looked up to you and still do... But when you were finding top dead center that was not correct. the Piston dwells at the top of its stroke. Now maybe for putting the timing chain on a VR6 this is all you need to do but you should really look into finding true top dead center. The best way that I have learned is using a piston stop rotating it until the piston stops marking it on the underdrive pulley then rotate the engine other direction till it stops... marking it...m measure the distance in between the two marks cut that distance in half and mark on the crank/ underdrive pulley. usually most OE markings are a little off. I have found several manufacturers across many engine platforms and all the marks are usually a little off. I would say in between 2 and 5 degrees and that's also how you can find if your underdrive pulley has slipped/spun.
Thanks very nice video..
You can turned 4 tim forward 4 tim back ward to getting the timing's mark in the sam place 😀
dang those plastic components always make me nervous! nice "how to" video Charles, cant wait until the VR6 comes to life!
currently rebuilding my 2nd personal vr6 needed a little refresher and this did the trick. great work!
AWESOME!
Just wanted to thank you for making these videos, I would have been a lot more apprehensive about timing my vr6 if I hadn't watched this video, (about 20 times)
I hope one day I can be half the mechanic and youtuber you are!
I wish someone would have explained to me the first time I did a timing belt that the marks on the belt were not going to match up after I rotated it. I was a mind fucked 20 year old that had done the job correctly, but was too dumb to know I had done it correctly. I was in a shop the didn't have any old timers willing to help a beleaguered young tech. I try not to be that semi old timer now, although it is fun to watch them struggle a little.
Does it matter if you took the chain/belt off on tdc buy not on the compression stroke ?
Important 24v VR6!!! when reinstalling the Camshaft Adjusters, the gear (most of the mass) needs to be turned all the way counter clock wise (left), with the Control plate (near the bolt head when installed) turned all the way clockwise (right)
Wow! That was like the perfect instructional video! ... And I haven't owned a VW in 15 years.
1995 Golf GTI Vr6 I will try it to revive it thank you for this amazing video .
Very detailed and precise...you should do more quick install clips like this one. It's always good to learn from a fellow pro! 🖒🖒🖒
Best video ever! You have managed a timing chain video within 12 minutes and I was hooked!
Thank you so much!
Even though I'm not really a VW guy myself, I really enjoy this Channel. The way he works on cars, is similar to my style, so I can relate to these.
Thank you
Nice vid! 💪🏽 I would add folks the cam caps are numbered and specific to exhaust/intake don't cross them up
I call that idiot resistant...LOL..
I am actually going to do a separate video on installing the cams.
Always appreciate the videos!! One like this for me particularly. I’ll be the first to admit I struggle with timing jobs for sure especially since going over to VW about a year ago. They are not something I’ve done a lot of so can definitely overthink them.
Been waiting for a video like this for years. Learned the hard way changing the chains on my Corrado years ago. Great work
Am Happy to be among the thousands and millions of Automobile Engineerz™ Great Work nd knowledge @Humble mech.
These videos are going to be a life saver this spring and summer when I so the teardown of my 02 VR6 Jetta. This is going to be the first full rebuild of the motor since it was new. Thank you for all of the wonderful information. I really like the info on setting the paint marks during the build process marking the timing and the torque confirmations.
Thanks! Those paint marks have saved my butt!
after watching this im more confident in doing the dreaded timing job on my 12v vr6, honestly looks very simple after having that step by step
Its SUPER easy
Cool video as usual. I wish my Audi B5 S4 would've come with the VR6 from the factory.
Thanks for making this video I've always been a vw fan and Subaru tech- I love the vr6's but had been hesitant to get into them. This video made it a no brainer! Thanks for the video keep it up
Painting the lines is where it’s at, thanks lots
Very thorough and nice work!! The paint marks are a brilliant idea I’m going to use in the future.
I like the marks you make smart if any novice in next 30 years messes with car good chance they will get it right now.
Neve done a dual cam the single is easy. my last two cars are dual but didn't have to change them.
Is this engine radically different for timing that a 24v bdf? Obviously the spark plug location is different...I do have a Bentley manual and I don’t need to actually do this yet but it’s cool getting to see it done so when I do go to build an engine I have a general idea what it’ll look like
Jonathan, did you eventually get around to replacing the timing chain on your VR6? I have a 2004 GTI with the same 24v VR6, engine code BDF. Today I started hearing what I believe is the tell tail noise of a potentially failed timing chain guide. I'm trying to quickly get smart on how to replace the chain and guides on this engine. If you did the job and have advice or know of a good video that shows how to do the job specifically on the BDF engine and can provide a link, it would be a huge help.
Doing my timing chain kit tonight.
Hopefully all goes well :)
i hope one day you get a r32 vr6 engine, theirs literally no one working on these engines on youtube
+SuperWakadoodle is love to get my hands on one.
This video never gets old....
💙💙💙
Ahhh another video to remind me i had 180K on my 06 jetta with the 2.5L that is all original. I might want to service the chain's here soon haha.
+Devon Morder yea the upper one for sure
Yeah ive been putting off like i did with the clutch i replaced couple thousand miles ago and now kicking myself because should have done it while the trans was out. But i did find out dropping a trans on one of those actually is very simple. Always here people complaing about working on VW's but honestly... I'd rather do a clutch in my car then a Subaru that ive done 100's of haha
love the video, so well explained, had a q, you say only turn the motor clockwise, righty tighty, why? what happens if you go left? or counter clockwise?
Fantastic video. Keep up the good work, will make it much easier when i get around to doing the same to my golf
Loving your project. I miss my old 98 gti vr6. Hope everything continues to go smoothly.
Me too. That smooth train stopped when putting the engine in. That didn't go so well... LOL but it is in, that is all the matters
Can't wait to hear that baby rumble.
This is awesome, i love it..so can you please help me with the timing,perhaps by uploading a video
Not sure how I can help more than this video if it's a VR6
Very clear and straightforward.
Good video..well done.
Thank you
I’m hoping to do my timing chains on my own on my vw vr6 Jetta 2001. I’ll record when I’m starting.
Thank you i learned more
How do you torque the intermediate sprocket?? The slack is in a way that when you tighten that sprocket bolt u would rotate the sprocket and pull the slack? How do u get it to not rotate
hi humble mechanic would you replace the cam phasers as well during a timing job
I wouldn't unless they were failing or suspect of failing
Your job is great man
Thank you for this great informative video , I timed my vr6 last night and I was just curious if it’s normal for the 12 o’clock mark on the intermediate shaft sprocket to be slightly to the right of the cover for the intermediate shaft. So the point is just passed the marking. I can’t get it to sit perfectly in line. Thank you again!
thank you for the effort charles
much worthy video to watch and as always awesome job
cant wait to see the beast up and running
Charles, ever see the gear on the intermediate shaft wear or break? Have one where the teeth broke and exited through the side of the lower timing cover.
This is really great, can you please make on with the TFSI?
Thanks! I will be posting a teardown video tomorrow. The timing will come later.
also when looking at the intermidiate shaft with the upper cover removed if uou can see the notch its timed properly if you cant theres something wrong
Long time since the video was made still awesome video just did timing in my vrt, but one question aren’t the cam caps supposed to face the left of the motor?
Great clear and confident building video👏🏻👏🏻.. one question 🤔.. i have a 3.2 BHE audi engine. Can i replaced the cam chain tensioner bolt without taking the engine apart?.. is it just an unbolt and replace item? Cheers
This is a good one Charles.. reading the bentley and watching you doing it,is like night and day..Thanks
Question Have you seen this chains actually strech or is it safe to just put new guides and tensioners?
guayaco3299 "stretch" is not strech it is play from wear. Don't re-use the chains.
Brilliant video!
Thanks for this video is very good
Your video gonna contribute to a better future. Salute
Hey Charles had a question, I just bought a 2000 beetle with the 1.8 ltr turbo and am trying to put a timing belt on but the belt the old belt was shredded so wasn't able to mark tdc, what is the easiest way to set timing? Thanks
Did the timing belt fail? 1.8 will bend valves in a heartbeat.
just did mine thats bro. 98 Jetta vr6 glx total rebuild. mk3squad
2002+ vw jetta gli 2.8 dohc 30 valve vr6 bolted to a 6sp manual
Hi Charles can you post a video about doing the timing on a 24v vr6. It's like the R32 but I have the 2.8 version. BDE engine code.
TIA. Oh I'm busy turbo charging it with a 2mm spacer plate and forged rods and arp head studs.
thank you humble mechanic you are my hero you are (bien chingon) bad ass mechanic
That is a great Vedic.I currently have a R36. I am wondering when should I change the timing chain? Thank you
Thnaks for this video been workin on a seat and learned a few new tips ;)
Great job
Awesome as usual always/reliable!
Do you have a bb or a way I can get some advise?
I used to have a 2 valve, I had an e2 chip, went the gm conversion to ign coil/spliced plug/coil wires, to lower the e2 advance I was able to expand plug gap with a massive boost to throttle response and avoid hot weather pi.
Vr6 is just an awesome motor/sound w/T2 exhaust straight out Jetta 3 so no drone.
AW I currently live in PDX, I would like some local assistance PDX/SEA with dependable headlight retrofit w/outer rings added w/shroud Morimoto’s Gen 3 Toyota 4R, affixing them properly, rather be involved than mail order of course…
Thanks
Awesome work, Charles!
Hey Bud, What is the difference in the procedure from timing a 24 valve to a 12 valve if there is any difference at all? Also is this really tough to time if you keep the engine in as apposed to taking it out?
what are the signs that the chains are in need or replacement?
Great video, is it recommended to replace all new sprockets while doing the chain? 2 intermediate sprocket and 2 camshaft sprocket? Or I can reuse the existing?
real good video and tips !!
Very informative, thanks.
love all the things you do with vr6 looking to supercharge my vr6 but am also curious what would be better for my 24v vr6, when ordering parts or beefing up the engine with bigger internal parts. would love to hear some feed back from you, thank you.
I have stumbled upon these God like videos! I now know who I can safely ask my question and get a purely knowledgeable based answer. I have a 2018 VW Atlas SEL with the 3.6L V6 (VR6) With 4motion. Are there any mods for this vehicle/motor? Would it be possible to turbo? Would it make a good fit? Basically I'm looking to add lots of horsepower and torque. So far I've seen 1 company do it to the 2.4L. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you!
Por fin subtítulos en español 😄
Currently re-did a timing chain job for my 2001 12v vr6 since the first time I did not have it timed properly. The intermediate shaft seems to be a little bit off from the 6 o'clock position (the first time I did it, it was at 5-ish). Would that small amount throw the chains out of time? Should I take it out and make 6 and 12 at perfect 90 degrees?
Hi Charles
I am planning to buy a friend of mine's golf 3 vr6 OBD 1 there are no timing chain noise but wanted to know if it's necessary to change the Chains to the single ones instead of the double
what are the pros and cons of either
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hi humblemechanic ,
I love all your videos and all vw's have not had time to see all of them but i think they are all superb .
Cheers tom uk :)))
Thank you so much
i have a vw golf tdi with a dpf do you know why performance is on or off , or is a petrol gti far better less carbon ?
Cheers Tom :)))))
Heck yeah, thanks for all the info.
Thanks from Germany
What brand of nail polish do you use? When timing engines I prefer Rimmel lemon yellow. I find it to really help with the procedure hahahaha
LOL, I buy whatever is the cheapest at Target. Usually as bight as I can find.
HumbleMechanic same here 😂😂😂
HumbleMechanic Lol, i got it
AircooledAl whatever my girlfriend has in stock 👌🏽
I use Tipex 👍🏻👌🏻
Hi
My car (golf 1.4 tsi mk5 with 66000 mile) is showing error p3008. Initially the error code p000A appeared. I changed camshaft sensor then code p3008 came up. Most of the people are saying that timing chain needs to replace. It was fine , I just changed water pump because it was leaking, and new drive belts, with engine oil service , dsg service & spark plugs. After all this work when I started my car a code p000A appeared, then changed camshaft sensor, camshaft adjuster valve, after 5 minutes a new code p3008 came up, car starts but idle rough. When press acceleration it vibrates very heavily. What do you think might be the problem?
Hi humble mechanic! I have a 92 gti with a 93 vr6 corrado engine in it! My dad & I are working on it and right now the car is cranking but not starting. Before it stopped working it started running hot and leaking anti freeze so I’m wondering if it’s the water pump? If this even is something that would stop the car from turning on? Other thing I was thinking was the timing chain. Would love to hear back thank you!
Your videos are excellent, thanks for the help