Orphan (2009) KILL COUNT
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I’m sick with Covid and binge all your videos have been the only thing helping me
Best part of Friday here again 😎🤟
Here is an idea do a kill count of the V/H/S Movies or the ring.
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 R a t i o 🤓
Will you do a kill Count on the New Jurassic World movie?
Esther took the term “looks can be deceiving” to an entirely different level. It was frightening how manipulative and smart she was until the end.
And now for the part where you get all the likes because there is no justice in this world.
literally how
Esther's back story is very creepy.
I know ur comment is gonna blow up like it usually does so first.
I mean she is an old ass adult so smart yes I expected that.
While this probably isn’t what the directors thought of doing, I saw someone explain that it made sense that ester looked older in first kill because this was before she fully mastered making herself appear younger.
Very interesting
That’s all I could think abt during first kill
I’ll allow it
I'm gonna put myself in this mindset so I can watch orphan first kill better
@@Sm0k3turt Thanks
At the orphanage, when John asks Ester who taught her to paint, she says she just had a lot of time to practise. Looking back, she meant that literally... 'cause she's been alive for 33 years.
Commented when there was 1 like away from 666 likes
I gave you the 999th like. good luck on 1000!
No shit
I'm not gonna lie max is my favorite character bc it is so funny to think that a five year old fought back against a grown woman in a child's body
i heard about this movie but when i first saw this video and found out that ester isn't a 9 year old girl and that she is actually a 33 year old woman named leena klammer with a rare hormone disorder called hypopituitarism i gotta admit i honestly did not see that coming😨
I actually REALLY LOVE that they kept the same actress Isabelle Furhman for Orphan: First Kill. Her looking a bit older makes it seem like she hasn’t mastered her scheme yet. She hasn’t learned to wear the prosthetic teeth and do her makeup properly to look like the child she looks like in the first movie. It actually works that she looks older. They say in the first movie that she has done this scheme several times assuming perfecting it and learning each time.
Oh wow, I love this take. I never thought of it that way
I also think she may have been fed more/better with American families- thus keeping on enough weight to look like she has natural pre-puberty ‘baby-fat’. That’s the main difference that throws me off in what I see of first kill- she doesn’t have the same look as a child whose body is ACTUALLY retaining weight in anticipation of a growth spurt.
Never noticed the detail of Esther putting on Daniel’s HR monitor so that staff isn’t notified. And the fact that the low rate indicates how calm she is? Genius!
Yeah I agree
Genius??? 😂😂😂🤦
@@jmurdock8303 Not genius but smart
@@jmurdock8303 it’s hyperbole, really not all that serious
Well, it means she is in good physical cardiovascular health more than anything.
"If I find out that you're lying, I'll cut your hairless little prick off before figure out what it's for." THAT line. I'm grown and that would've scared me into silence. The way it was delivered was so cold. Like. . .DAYUM!
I KNOW IT SCARES ME SO MUCH
I laughed when she said it
Same bro i felt the terror when she said that
Honestly I was happy there lol, he was an ass hole to her
You👹pissed👹yourself👹-Esther
I do wonder how avoidable this movie would have been had Kate had an actually good therapist.
"Kate, In all due respect, are you in a position to give an adopted child a stable life? You haven't fully healed from Jessica's death and we both know how deeply hurt you are by your husband's infidelity and lies. While I respect and admire that you have so much love to give, I don't think it will heal you in the way you're hoping it will."
I also wonder what on earth Esther would have even said to a therapist in one single meeting that would cause her to reach the conclusions she did
Esther took the term Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss to a whole other level
hermitcraft or something i kinda remember it/
Man, Isabella deserved all the acting awards, she did a great job as Esther and seeing behind the scenes of her taking about playing her shows she put her all in performing
he said it in the kill count but i want to say it again because it's so true lol, that twist would've been SO hard to swallow without her, this would've gone down as one of the dumbest movies ever if Isabella hadn't played esther. this movie really depended on her performance. I actually thought that they got an older actress (20s) to play her because her performance was so phenomenal
I never realised how young she was as an actress in this movie! I always figured she was a young looking teenager, with a bit of make-up/camera trickery thrown in. What a remarkable performance 👏👏
They only give her stuff to do in one scene, but she was good in Hunger Games.
I don’t know if I would’ve let her play in this movie if I was her parent. Watching some of sexual stuff was uncomfortable af.
@@coolnerdlll6053 You noticed her too! I felt bad she didn't have more screen time there...
In the original script, there's actually a reason Esther tries to seduce John.
When Esther/Leena was a child, her mother died of AIDS, and her father sexually abused her, which resulted in her becoming infertile. Once her father took another lover, he told her that it was because of her condition and that she could never be a real woman.
End result: Leena murdered her father and his paramour, and she was sent to the Saarne Institute. Because of this screwed-up childhood, whenever she was adopted, she'd always try to find love where she thought she had it as a child - with the father.
Also, as an Australian, I'm fuckin' stoked to see Wolf Creek get the Kill Count treatment!
That's fucked up.
Will this be the script for the prequel?
@@shacharlem4424 Spoiler alert I've seen the movie
No, it shows us her escape in the Saarne institute and how she killed the family who brought her to America, and the origin of the name "Esther"
Just watched wolf creek 2 yesterday 😫😩
Why not make part of that as a prequel?
When James says "Go watch this movie before the Kill Count" I always trust him, and damn am I always happy I did. Awesome movie.
fantastic film!
Thats how i got into horror movies
The scene of Ester gleefully giving Jessica's flowers to Kate is one of the most psychologically torturous things I've ever seen in a horror movie.
The "but she misses her shot because she's five years old" part made me laugh longer than it probably should've
Fr, I had to rewind it 😂😂
so this was the top comment when i opened the video and this was the first movie that i decided to watch before the kill count because of the twist. so when I saw this i was like"oh esther can't shoot okay all's good" and then when max picked up the gun i was like "OH!"
"But she misses her shot because she is five years old"
Damn if only movies were like that
Meanwhile in Anime or Thor/Love........*Kids with no experience are experts at their first time cuz they're just built that way* ~
There's no fuckin way a 5 y/o would even be able to pull the trigger, let alone land an accurate shot lol
@@croom332 That just depends on where you live and what you decide to teach your kids
@@irmaryssamalot4804 I could shoot my .22mag just fine as a kid but a revolver with a ~14lbs trigger pull? Yeah right 🤣 doesn't matter if the kid is trained, they simply don't have the finger strength
The argument i can make for Anime is that most anime aren’t meant to be grounded in reality :3
I actually think it really works that Isabelle Fuhrman is older in the prequel. It's like Leema hasn't quite mastered making herself look like a child just yet like she eventually does pretty damn perfectly in Orphan.
Yea I agree and there making a thirst aopetantly bc in the end of orphan it does show her neck being broke and her being killed but they never showed us if she drowned and actually died and in the end she's getting ready. I assume she's moving on from the Colemans onto somthing else now.
Third appetantly*
Yeah, like in the prequel, she hasn’t improved her makeup skills to make her younger look more convincing.
That “living plant girl” at 9:25 will always be my favorite Dead Meat joke
That and “internet search🤖"
I love the running gag of “Business”
Great rob zombie song
It makes me want to watch Bride of Chucky.
9:24*
James's ability to subtly slip in puns, references, jokes, etc. one by one like it's nothing is really impressive.
super easy barely an inconvenience
I thought he kinda went overboard on this one tbh but I did like the "3 weeks later" adam Sandler reference and the nun jokes
The Jessica Rose shaodows of evil reference was the most unexpected for me lmao. I love James' ability to make references smoother than butter.
“They get an unCONVENTional visit from the sister.”
The "Matthew, Mark, and Luke look different from John" might actually be a reference to a real world concept of biblical literature called the "Synoptic Gospels" where Matthew, Mark, and Luke are all written from the same perspective but the perspective of John is unique.
Either that or it was just a random joke but with how many deep cuts James sneaks in it wouldn't surprise me.
i remember when this movie came out. i was in high school at the time and everyone was talking about it, but surprisingly still keeping the twist a secret, which was kinda cool
17h ago??
@@uglychiphead yes, channel member
@@uglychiphead channel members get access to vids earlier
You too? Lol
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 no it aint
Yeah, I'd say my only real problem with this movie is John's gullibility goes from annoying but believable to downright infuriating. Maybe I can buy he'd never fully buy into the psycho theory, but he definitely should have been at the very least suspicious of Esther by the car crash. Other than that, this movie is fantastic, IMO.
Agree, either he has no brain………or he has no brain, for not at least being a bit skeptic
my only problem with the film is that esther didnt end up killing max and the mom. i really wanted her to win
Yeah, it got so bad I was not upset when he died
@@catandotter1237 I didn’t feel bad either.
Yeah, like, Esther's arm? Human bones are roughly as strong as steel rods, exactly how much grip strength do you think an adult woman has?
I just love esthers russian accent. Its just so soothing to hear when shes whispering too
It’s Estonian, not Russian. They’re different dialects.
@@antisocialal4799”it’s New York not Italian” (just jokin bout how similar the accents are)
@@antisocialal4799 what do you mean by dialect? They're two different languages. Also I gotta say I've never heard any estonian speak with a slavic accent, if anything it sounds more like the finnish accent.
I was adopted, this was my favourite horror movie as a kid. I’m so nervous for the prequel, it better not be a disappointment! This movie was honestly perfect on its own
Is it your favorite horror movie because it’s relatable? You a little dwarf too??
@@lucasftsa4157 Nah but little russian roulette pranks were relatable to him/her :P
@@lucasftsa4157 idk if your being mean or just kidding
@@miketrapper0464 porbably just joking
@@miketrapper0464 obviously kidding
What I love about this movie so much is we as the audience of course know Esther is the villain so it’s easy to pass judgement on John but if you look at it from his point of view, your alcoholic wife who injured your daughter and just suffered a miscarriage is accusing a 12 year old of being a murderer, but because he cheated and we see Esther commit crimes on screen everyone is quick to blame him. But all these characters are so complex and well-written that it’s so easy to see both points of view. It’s also a really great example of gaslighting, you can see Kate question her own sanity when she realizes Esther’s arm is actually broken.
Thank you. It was kind of annoying to hear about how bad of a guy he was when his wife obviously had severe issues mentally and physically with alcoholism and loss.
To be fair if my spouse started freaking out about the child we just adopted I’d be returning the child. Not because of the child but for the sake of my spouse. I mean the whole reason they adopted a child was because she thought it would help her. It was not helping her.
Oh and I am a parent. But that’s why they adopted this girl. They didn’t do it for her sake they did it for their own.
except the fact that they only adopted Esther because of the wife. they pinned the hole thing on the "mommy not wanting me", but the wife asked for her to be there, aside of that people getting hurt as soon as we bring this child into my house should have definite been the first warning. they don't know the little girl and he gave all his trust to her after 3 weeks, as soon as she was adopted, kids were being hurt and then others was murdered. as soon as the nun was murderer he should have raised a couple red flags. he cheated on purpose, she accidentally inured her daughter. and he didn't even tell her until a very long time. she suffered with that guilt for a very long time, he said to basically get over it so he anit feel guilty either. but beside all that THEY suffered a miscarriage which is the whole reason Esther is even there. again aside all that all these people getting hurt and murdered is definitely a warning. ESPECIALLY when esther takes the flowers, she is a smart girl and can read as well. they even had a memorial plague. even he gave excuses because her arm was broke but he was also there when she took the flowers, they made him play the bad guy because right then he didnt care about his dead baby over this random little girl.
@@desireemayfield8367 nobody is saying he’s a saint or that cheating on his part wasn’t wrong. But you’re SUPPOSED to fully love and trust a child if you’re gonna adopt them. And again, he was completely villainized for not believing his ALCOHOLIC and OBVIOUSLY ptsd filled wife. Who the hell is gonna believe a child is gonna do any of that. ESPECIALLY when their biological daughter said kid who got pushed off the slide had slipped and fallen. She made the choice to get drunk and her child was hurt BECAUSE she chose to get wasted instead of taking care of her child properly. That’s not an accident that’s a CHOICE so at the end of the day, her not being believed is just as much her own fault as it is his.
@@dc1659 If my own flesh and blood did some creepy shit just know that I’m also not gonna trust them either I don’t care if I pushed that child out or adopted it that does not make them not magically capable of murder. As I said up top by the time that none was murdered he should’ve questioned something anything his own child was lit on fire. I don’t trust nobody after three weeks I don’t care if I adopted them or not. I don’t care if they’re family or not we’re talking three very short weeks that’s not even a month. And after a couple weeks so much shit went down that he just fully ignored. Just like James said it wasn’t until she outright hit on him that he saw something wrong if my child was lit on fire and locked in that place that was lit on fire there is no way that I’m gonna sit here and not question how this could’ve happened. He cheated on her sober and cautious. She accidentally injured her child while drunk. No I’m saying it’s good to be an alcoholic but there are plenty alcoholics that are perfectly fine as an alcoholic. That’s why it’s still legal to be alcoholic. And again after injuring her child she suffered tremendously for it. He chilled in his wives face like he ain’t do nothing wrong she’s at least understood that she was at fault. No I’m saying either one of them are perfect. But if my wife or husband was ever uncomfortable in our home, I’m a listen. Flesh and blood murder each other and they be children too so yeah we do think and know that children can do this it’s been documented recorded they’ve been arrested it’s very possible it’s unsettling but it ain’t never gonna happen. We as an audience know that the sister was just terrified same as the little brother. But if you look at it from his point of view I mean even buy the flowers I would’ve been questioning she knew it was a memorial, they have a memorial plaque. Clearly the miscarriage mattered more to the wife than it did to the husband even at that point because why would you overlook that? whatever happened before doesn’t matter it’s what the actions are doing right now and he had plenty of warning signs that that girl was crazy even down to the nun questioning it and then Turned up dead. It takes only one episode of criminal minds to like fill in the blank 😂
I love how the catchphrase is, “Something’s wrong with Esther,” and my aunt is named Esther. Now, I can tease her forever!
Forever or until you find her hammer lodged in your brain.
Lol so ironic her name is Esther
orphan is probably my favorite horror movie, i love how it touched so many topics with a psychological twist at the same time. the campiness is the cherry on top, i love Isabell's performance so much
Orphan was the very first horror movie I ever watched when I was, like, 8. Holds a very special place in my heart as one of my favorite horror movies.
Mine was texas chainsaw massacre 2003
The first horror movie I watched was Halloween (1978)
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 never heard of you,and why are you better?
He’s not, he has 0 uploads
@@lexamex3526 its obviously a joke
i randomly saw this movie a while back at a friends house and i loved it. that twist is wild. i actually thought that was a different actor at the end, didnt know it was make up
I knew I wasn't the only one I never saw her true face but in this kill count I thought they switched the actor out
Yeah the amount of makeup was something
The movie was great! I was a kid when it first came out and was terrified when my aunt first adopted my cousin😂
Actress* Girls and women are actresses.
@@kennedymorris8858 actress* You know girls and women and boys and men are different, right?
The scariest part of this movie is the acting, Isabelle does a disturbingly perfect job portraying a 30 year old sociopath.
When a horror movie takes time to develop its characters, it makes their suffering far more impactful, fulfilling its goal: to scare the audience. Combine that with suspense, and a big twist, both of which Orphan uses to great effect, and you get this masterpiece of a film. First horror film to ever TRULY scare me.
idk why Isabelle didn’t win an award for this. she was phenomenal. she seemed to disappear from hollywood after the hunger games. glad she’s back in the game
She is a good actress, i recently saw her in Escape Room: Tourneament of Champions and she is also back in the First Kill prequel coming next week
@@DodoRibeiro-ts6po that is why I love her performance in these films
She was in a really fucked up movie called Hound Dog and that's all I saw of her
@@DodoRibeiro-ts6po I don’t remember her in that movie
@@miketrapper0464 The extended cut introduces Isabelle Fuhrman. The extended cut has an additional character that wasn't used per the theatrical cut. Isabelle Fuhrman's character is not in the original theatrical cut, that's baffling as her wrap around story is huge to the plot and for possible future sequels.
idk wtf is wrong with me but seeing that small clip of the mom trying to expain to her daughter abt the stillbirth had me burst into uncontrolable tears.
It’s definitely something relevant to you that happened in your life. Maybe not that exact thing but something similar. I had a similar reaction when a chef featured in Hells Kitchen passed away from cancer. She reminded me so much of my ex that when I found out the chef had died of cancer I cried uncontrollably as well so I understand. And there’s nothing wrong with you. You just had a very subconscious connection to that scene.
that’s what makes u cry💀🤣
@@do_a_glizzy_reveal yea that's what my commsnt said, you illiterate or somthn?
@@do_a_glizzy_reveal ??
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It's easy to forget how young Esther's actress is since she says some crazy lines and does some messed up stuff. It's a weird and interesting experience.
I love the Baudelaire reference. A series of unfortunate events is my absolute favorite book series, and the reference is great!
Agree with all three statements.
I love the series on Netflix. I think I'll read the books soon
This movie absolutely terrified me as a child and even now it’s still scary. With how the actress who played Esther nailed her role, the anticipation and everything from beginning to end on how and what is wrong with Esther was truly great cinematography!!
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Never had 1k likes on a comment before, thanks everyone! 🙂
too bad the 2nd one is terrible
@@bartho5373 how do you know? It's not out yet
@@erichfiedler1481 huh? i watched it like a week ago
@bartho how?
@@bartho5373 where?
"But she misses her shot because *she is 5 years old*" made me laugh way harder than it should have
the mother slapping the ground after finding john's dead body really is relatable on my end- I get slappy when I have a panic attack or on the verge one so I could just feel the anxiety- nicely done
Love the Bojack Horseman at 14:03 lol, it also works because it’s Margo Martindale.
“Abigail is still for a second but her apparent act is just a Sister Act”
Okay that was good
And then the habit pun shortly after!
"esther I had to kill her because she was going to tell in me your not going to tell on me are you?
"Kate go to your room
"esther honestly we're past that now aren't we?"
I'm not the one who passed out drunk and almost let max drown in the pond if it wasn't for John she'd be dead and you'd probably still be in jail
i felt so bad for max this entire movie, she went through so much shit but shes so young and scared it made me wanna cry
Fr
@junglehunter9657 bro what.
Isabelle Firman absolutely sells the movie. She plays such an emotional and almost sympathetic villain. She’s cruel and manipulative, but she just wants to be loved the same as anyone else. I actually really enjoyed this movie.
If only someone had loved her
Isabella deserved all the praise for this role and this movie had one of the most unexpected twists ever.
Usually when a trailer says "You'll never guess" they're lying, cause I can see it a mile away. THIS film...they were NOT kidding. I was completely fooled! And pleasantly surprised! It's not every day we get a genuine twist when we think we've already seen everything. =) The scene where she is taking off her makeup and slowly revealing herself while the dr is telling the secret to Kate, my jaw just kept dropping lower and lower the further it went. ALSO, the twist wasn't dumb but believable and made complete sense. It was a huge OMG moment. lol
Part of the “you’ll never guess” is that we’re watching from an outside perspective and know that the villain is, well, a villain. The characters don’t. Some movies do it just to be “scary” though and don’t really have a mysterious antagonist
When I was young, I was really scared of that makeup scene.
The you’ll never guess usually fails in other genres, not horror
AND funny he should mention Leo DeCaprio's death in Titanic. Leo was a producer for this film!!!
@@miketrapper0464 why do people draw a line between horror and murder mystery? Does it really matter?
Holy shit she was actually that young? I really thought they just got someone older that looked young. Her performance was so good in this.
Same, I thought it was another Children of the Corn scenario
I feel like the seduction scene would have been less disturbing if they'd just tried to find an actress who has or least looks like they have the condition the character is supposed to have.
I genuinely thought they hired a different actress to play Esther after she takes off the makeup, they did a really good job with making her look older,
The therapist is from Dexter series, she also didn't get who was the 'friendly' Dexter either and thought he was nice, love that XD
As an Estonian person myself, I can say that she (Esther’s actress) did awesome job with the accent! A few times it sounds more like a Russian accent but overall the accent is incredible! So hyped for the new movie!!!!
Edit: Just wanted to add that Orphan is in my top 100 fav movies of all time, I absolutely love it!
It states in the movie that Esther is from Russia.
Kõlas pigem nagu vene ja läti segu
@@TaylorMade229 you calling my boy a liar ?
@@tasbhu764 tf you talking about?
@@TaylorMade229 In the movie it also mentions that the Russian documents were fakes. The asylum is in Estonia.
I always assumed Esther's actress was an adult because of how she played and the intimate scenes she had to be in. I am really impressed by her talent.
No. She was actually 12 at the time.
Yeah that scene was definitely even weirder for the actors than for the audience.
@@noahsaldivar3271 James said it…
@@CasualCat64 though*
"I'll cut your hairless little prick off before you even figure out what it's for." That is a hilariously diabolical line, especially coming from someone who presumably shouldn't be old enough to know what it's for, either.
I Watched this movie when I was WAY to young. The plot twist left 7 year old me flabbergasted
The green ribbon reference made my day, in all my 28 years, never have i met another who read the green ribbon. That story scarred me as a kid, until i became so numb to horror lol. I miss that book of weird and creepy stories
They reference it in the Telltale game Wolf Among Us and I know a lot of people who are familiar with the story through that! Except the ribbon is purple in the game, not green
Yeah, I didnt read the book but I "got" the reference because of the wolf among us
We all have a first terrifying movie or book before we grow numb.
I also read the book growing up!
What book is it from?? I know I read it as a kid but the ribbon story was the only one that always stuck with me. I think it scared me so much as a kid that I repressed it from memory, but as soon as James mentioned it, it all came back and now I’m curious to revisit the whole story/ book
Esther was played perfectly, but Max was SO adorable. She reminded me of my cousin's daughter so much in the face, so when I see Orphan, I think about my little cousin, Brooke.
13:19 "i wil cut your hairles little prick for before you even know what its for" 😂 THIS IS SO FUNNY IDK WHY 😂😂
Maybe because it's a threat, an adult would use towards a child and not a child (they'd probably say something less vulgar).
The Colemans REALLY should have just gotten a puppy…
Or a wolf...that i will breed
Hard to believe that the Esther's actor was that young since that kind of mature acting was really a treat to watch and gave that genuine feeling that she was a threat to everyone around her.
We’ve been getting a lot of good kid actors these days
Actress* For feck's sake, girls and women are called actresses.
@@englishatheart girl shut up
As a kid in the system, no one adopts a troubled 8-18 year old. Or at least, it's super rare, obviously most of us aren't psychopaths, but shitty groups censoring horror movies instead of actually helping kids show how much they really care. Amazing video as always James!
My aunt did foster care, and whatever issues the kids had, she'd exacerbate them. -.-
I was too young to understand, but looking back she'd egg them on and then have stuff to complain about to people. My mother is the same way, but she just abuses her own children.
@@RealBradMiller there is a saying: “every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child.”
@@RealBradMiller my mother is the same way, and fortunately I met some truly good people trying to help kids. But one bad apple spoils the bunch, and the kids have to grow up with it the rest of their lives. I'm truly sorry that you've seen/had to experience it, and hope you're doing better now. :)
@@lukeflamand5511 I've just had to deal with her for (if I have anything to do with it) one of the final times, she doesn't even know it. Strange feeling that. She was trying to gain the upper hand the entire time, over the smallest of things. Hopefully onto a better life, feel bad for my siblings, but we're all grown up. I've lived on my own for over a decade, she borrowed money from me, then used it to buy the land my rental was on and booted me out, forcing me to move in with her, CRAY-ZEE. Sorry for the rant, thanks for the kind words and hope you are living your best life now. 🙂
@@RealBradMiller unfortunately, people like that are drawn to foster care. I'm sorry.
24:03 POV every female character with fans
This movie overall was awesome. The build up, character development. The twist was shocking and a bit disturbing at the same time.
This is the first time I’ve ever actually watched the movie before the video because James told me to. And I am so glad I did, cause this movie is a rollercoaster of emotions.
I’ve watched the movie _years_ ago and frankly it all feels like a fever dream to me
I've never watched any film specifically in anticipation of a kill count. Just because there's never been a film that he's gonna count that I haven't heard of before, and if I'm already aware of it and wanted to watch it, I would have seen it already
same
The reveal of Esther's past still sends chills down my spine. Even just looking at the movie poster makes my heart wanna jump out of my chest 👀
Yeah. It wasn't mentioned here but she was also s*xually abused from infancy (hence the attraction towards the fathers if the families) which is just like, extra f up
@@el5001 oh wow 😯 i hope they reference that in the new one like no details and no babies crying but her talkin about it or a report or sum
The poster freaked me out because Esther's face seemed too symmetrical, like they're saying "You think this is another normal child? Take a closer look"
@@angelavaughn6097 idk honestly thr movie doesn't need it, it's just as crazy as it is without that detail. I found it rather off putting tbh
It made THE scene just a smidge better in context
"Good luck finding the infinite abyss..of death!" -- God, I love the subtle wordplay. That was a fantastic reference to Garden State.
Honestly I wish I could watch this film for the first time all over again, I mean it’s THAT good, and I will never get over the twist.
In defense of John, I think the broken arm scene is the tipping point for where he has to chose between his kids and his wife. It would be nearly impossible to believe that Esther broke her own arm - I’m still in shock and I SAW it - and breaking a child’s arm is clearly over a line, even if his wife is struggling. Esther’s a master manipulator, and the only actual evidence of abuse he’s seen is from Tricia AGAINST Esther. It’s a lose-lose.
Agreed. I think James is being a little too harsh on John.
True! I don’t think he even falls into top 100 shitty horror husbands. I loved John because he put his kids over (what he thought was) a crazed, relapsed, unstable wife. I think that’s super admirable
Respectfully disagree man lol just recently rewatched & John was literally the worst, a gaslighting dummy (not to sound too harsh😅😂) sorry but homie’s first red flag should’ve been when Esther wanted to sleep next to him on the first night (any grown man with sense would note this- may I remind you he literally just had a boner 30 seconds before), but then he also dismisses EVERYTHING Esther does but finds everyyy opportunity to belittle and minimize Kate & her worries. Even when the nun tries to warn him, he’s like well that doesn’t mean Esther pushed this girl who was bullying her 😵💫Dude was just waayyy too invested in a little girl he JUST met, it’s my one kinda gripe with the film cus it’s borderline unrealistically aloof the only way the character kindve works tho is by him being a douche who’s so disconnected from his family and what’s actually going on (I wish they played this up more like maybe he too focused on work & just doesn’t care) but either way- WOOF💀
Of course james calls john an asshole because muh straight white man
Glad I’m not the only one who thought he wasn’t that bad.
The music when the mother is telling the sign language story is just beautiful. Go check out this movie's score if you haven't already.
No thanks. I dont want to waste my time looking up a movie’s score like some loser lmaooooooo
19:53 James killed me with that delivery.
The whole movie was just mind blowing and twist just adds to it. The actress that played Esther was just so amazing.
The kid was a better actor than most adults in this industry
Yeah and although she's said she fine now, mentally, back then her parents, and even her older sister, actually made her take a few days off because all she'd do is stay in-character and it was worrying them all. I can imagine how scary that would be as an older sibling and as an older person looking at someone younger who's so drawn in and so sucked into that role and character that they don't even realize they themselves are changing due to that role.
There's something serious in that. It really touches on many different issues in a family dynamic like that.
Isabelle is insanely talented. Her performance in this movie stuck with me all these years.
Who else caught his Call of Duty reference with Shadows of Evil? Damn James you stepped your game up in a big way. My love for these Kill Counts only grows fonder with every watch. Thank you!
I was so angry that nobody else was getting this. thank you
He also references jessica rose
Zombies kill count (not even everything, just one) or we riot.
Not only is this movie based on a Czech woman´s story, but the doctor, who called Kate was also a Czech actor, named Karel Roden. I just think it´s cool how there happen to be 2 instances of such a small country in a movie, that pretty much has nothing to do with it.
Vera Farmiga is such a gorgeous human being, she's me and my mom's absolute favourite actress after we binge watched Bates Motel a few years ago, we literally watched all her movies after that and loved her even more, a true scream queen 😄
My* and my mom's. Remove the "mom's" part. Would you say "she's me absolute favorite actress"? No. 😛
@@englishatheart you obviously understood what they meant to say so there was no need to correct 😐
@@englishatheart Your wording is still all over the place, and considering your other comments you keep whining about men and women. Get a life. I do, and my comment should help you. If you don’t understand what I mean, I mean you should realize you need a life.
exactly
vera is very beautiful and shes a great singer , her scream in the conjouring is the best scream in cinema it was amazing
Having seen _Orphan_ before, I can say that this film and _Hereditary_ are probably the only two films to disturb me, if not only slightly. It's directed pretty well, and the overall aura of this film just fills you with that sense of uneasiness and dread that not many horror films are able to do these days.
9:45 omg a mean girls reference
IKR
Something that is so interesting to me about this movie is the ribbons. If someone took the ribbons off her, I don't think anyone would look at the scars and go "wow, those look like marks from a straight jacket. Therefore this must be an adult with dwarfism who stayed in an asylum." Just seeing her scars, they would assume that she was a child who was abused severely by her previous family and she could use that to her advantage so much - she could use it to explain her strange behavior and her emotional outbursts and it could be a point to manipulate people so much better. Not only being a little girl but being a victim in people's eyes - I am surprised she didn't use that to her advantage
Esther/Leena's death is great. Before she died, Kate tells her that she's not her mom, for a brief moment, Esther/Leena realizes that Kate isn't going to fall for her lies before Kate kicked her neck snapping it.
James: Welcome to the Kill Count, where we count up the bodies from out favorite horror movies.
Bird shot by paintball gun: Am I a joke to you?
As someone who was adopted myself, whenever I was taunted about it as a child, my response was always "your parents GOT you. My parents CHOSE me."
15:37 banished ! to the COUCCHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t begin to explain how much I love this new background set that James made. It’s amazing and honestly I think it couldn’t be better for a show like this
Same! I thought the old one looked great. but this one is AMAZING!
@@tvpivm I agree
The Esther tiktok joke was GOLD 🤣
Orphan is one of my favourite movies, man I'm so hyped for first kill
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The whole "Manipulating the therapist to blame the parent" is more real than you would think, a friend of mine's sister did the same and it worked so idk
😐???????????.
That’s because a lot of therapists go off presence and books. They lack critical thinking
@@delete---7593therapy sucks nuff said
@@elmizzoxWhy do you think it's never worked for me after many years of going to therapy? I don't trust therapists or psychologists. I always feel like I'm being talked down to. Plus my mom keeps manipulating them. It's helped me so much to instead confide in my friends. They understand what I've been through. Even at the mental health clinic it did not help. I figured out my issue on my own. I came to terms with it on my own. I did it myself. I keep breaking myself out of depression funks on my own occasionally with help from my friends.
The puns in this episode are ELITE
Ik
9:16 A tender memorial to the child that they lost
Safe to say I wasn't expecting "Living Plant Girl" in a robotic voice to come after that XD
Edit: I have since listened to "Living Dead Girl" by Rob Zombie and now realised that this was a joke which flew way over my head XD
Well we can't have sadness in a Kill Count, now can we?
The original script makes Esther even darker when it goes into her backstory more. A copy & paste quote.
*In the original script, her past was explained more in depth. Leena's mother died of AIDS when she was young, and her father sexually abused her her whole childhood, rending her infertile. She was diagnosed with hypopituitarism, a rare hormonal disorder that caused proportional dwarfism, making her stuck in the body of a child. Once her father found a new lover, he told her she'd never be a real woman, which caused her to go insane and killed her father and his girlfriend in rage. She was then sent to the Institute, where she was kept in a straightjacket that gave her scars due to being too violent. She escaped, and turned to a prostitution trade to find love through wealthy pedophiles. Once she was arrested, she pretended to be a child and was sent to an orphanage. Ever since, Leena tries to find love through her adoptive fathers, since it's all she's ever known, but is always rejected due to looking like a child.*
I remember reading about the backstory after seeing the movie. Wonder if they’ll address any of this in the prequel
Absolutely fascinating yet terribly dark and well put together backstory 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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Now I have to rewatch
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………..Jesus Christ
as an international adoptee myself, Orphan is one of my favorite movies
This is the only dead meat episode where I had to pause and take a breather, jeez I need to watch this movie
James, the only guy I know that can summarize a movie while slipping in a few jokes about it, their sponsor, and the background of the movie all in under 30 minutes.
Others do it check out RUclips
@@jmurdock8303 not as good as james
@@seansswamp so I am under impression you seen them all
James, your script writing and delivery we're on point this episode. Really enjoyed it!
“@Esthetic” was a good one.
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This was the last horror movie that had an original plot and a plot twist NO ONE saw coming! This movie was and is still ahead of it’s time!
Ester and chucky are literally the best killer duo.
Ah yes, “milf-guarding.” My favorite advanced fighting game tech. But you gotta watch out for “zaddy counters.”
Haha
BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY FOR THIS ONE AND IT'S HERE ! This was one of my first favourite horror movies and it really captivated me so much. Isabelle Fuhrmann definitely is an underrated actress who I would love to see in more upcoming horror movies
Yay same :)))
19:43 (Gets in car) Get in guys we are going to therapy
They should use the alternative ending and make a sequel, I love both movies so far!
24:28 I had a feeling you was gonna do that james
I knew the premise and twist of this movie before a watched it a while ago. However, I wasn't sure if Esther was actually played by a little girl or not, and during that scene with the husband, I pulled out my phone REAL quick to check. So weird and uncomfortable to watch a 12 year old try and be seductive 😂😭😭
She is actually 33😐
@@dot...7014 talking about the actress, not the character
This is actually why my grandma hates this movie, like she cannot watch it a second time because of this scene and even started arguing the first time she viewed the scene. I won't forget this. 😂
@@ImToad4321 Oooooohh, sorry my bad🙂
I started flailing my arms yelling about how I don’t like it 😭
If I know anything about Isabelle Fuhrman from The Hunger Games, her acting specialties are being crap-your-pants scary and dying.
I’ve been binging kill counts for a little bit today and the running gag of you all constantly referencing each actor’s previous work is monumentally amazing.
I just found out that there's gonna be an Orphan prequel, so this coming out a day before I found out is hilarious to me
I screamed out loud when I seen the news on Twitter
The poster/cover art for this always used to creep me out. I saw it about a year ago finally and loved it. The cast is great. It would be neat to see you cover other killer kid movies, like Bad Seed, The Good Son, or the absolutely wild ride that is Mikey.
Is the good son a horror movie? I watched it I liked it but idk if it qualifies as horror
Oh I would love to see him cover Mikey
@@miketrapper0464 I think it qualifies as horror.
Did you know that the poster/cover art isn't actually a real photo of Isabelle? The reason it's so creepy is because of this (taken from IMDB): The subtle uneasiness of the film's poster is due to the image of Esther's face. It is perfectly symmetrical. Half of her face has been mirrored to form a whole face (notice the identical twists of hair on each side).
@@InitialPC cool, although I think it won’t get a kill count because only one person dies
Him screaming at the end was personal