Why Mash Vs Asta Isn't Close
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2024
- Two wizards with no magic, and all muscle. Whether you're here for Mashle OP 2 or genuinely arrived for the perfect Black Clover & Mashle Power Scaling? I've got you covered with Asta Vs Mash.
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The real fight is who would win in a work out routine
Put in roc Lee in their and you got a video
Put in the right letter for a word and you got a comment
Mash simple
Despite both working extremely hard, mash takes this
True
If these characters ever met in person, I'm certain they would both start to try and one up each other with their work-outs.
Or go out to eat, not sure which would happen first.
@@truekurayami They’d work out first and then one would show the other the best place to get food and/or cream puffs depending on who’s turf this takes place on.
@@connerkline6269 and then he would order a creampuff and if they dident serve it he would make something into a creampuff since its well established whatever mash cooks turns into a creampuff
🗣Manga Asta literally has universal level feats. 1st off - astas dimension slash he learned from yami.(anime yami cutted infinite space) Asta cut the tree of qliphoth which holds multiple dimensions including all of hell. An asta before zetten he learned btw. Lucifer only at 50% can end the world literally stated. Asta neggs diffs him at the end of arc too. Asta learns zetten & becomes like 500x stronger. Lucius zogratis is infinitely beyond Lucifero at even 100% & zetten asta & neverland yuno. Asta scales above yuno who can manipulate time btw. & asta power scales above yami. Mind u who can literally cut dimensions. Alone thats a universal feat.
● speed? Dont get me started😂 asta calculations are so high ppl will start downplaying instantly. Huge low ball. 100,000x mftl. Also any relevant black clover characters has this speed as well.
●proof 👇Manga asta Speed calculations r easily beyond 1 mill. Mftl
● also black clover adaptability is insane. These characters can adapt to anything mid fight. & grow stronger.
*Id say asta is bare minimum is star level with easily universal attack Potency*
Lucius Zogratis scales about that btw. He has soul magic, body magic, time magic, blood magic, gravity magic, gravity alones neggs g5 luffy. But 1 touch he changes your soul & your a slave & Lucius is immortal basically. Head cut off & all hes coming back to life + time magic he can see yiur future & infinite timelines. & time magic will revive him too. Just like Julius* *BLACK CLOVER NEGGS
Proof: His power
ruclips.net/video/QHy28mXcHnI/видео.htmlsi=KRvV5lgA4yqqRIHt
Asta Speed: ruclips.net/video/eIL-izas3wY/видео.htmlsi=n11t8ShHdEBAiZmd
@@muirick9924ok weirdo
Technically speaking, mash was very limited in the final fight, if you look at his wrists, he still had the restrictions on them, so the version analyzed in this video is a suppressed version of the suppressed version (Heartless and without using any mode)
This is true, we just don't see the upper limits of Mash's fighting abilities to gauge it any more clearly IMO.
too bad the series ended before we even saw mashes true power. but guess thats the beauty of it, instead of knowing how strong they are its more fun to image how strong they are. (nightmare for verses comparisons though)
@shikikanaz4624 what you mean the series ended? Like how?
@@faith4657 the guy he was power scaled against was the final bad guy to end bad guys
@@thebanable7721 really that's it, no more?
Mash is basically saitamas son. Saitamas family just visiting different universes for a picnic.. he forgot to pick mash up. It all makes sense.
When his father can destroy the boundaries of dimensions by punching you know his son is gonna thrive here regardless..
Totally in character moment for a head cannon.. now the interdimentional child police is gonna have a feild day with the taxes after nthey deliver mash to his family..
Heck ima write a freaking fanfic about this lol.
does anyone tell Saitama that he forgot his son Mob in another universe?
Maybe that's why we never know the limits of his power, but just see his feats in heavily nerfed condition, with almost all odds against them, but still winning conclusively.
YO TELL ME WHERE YOU WILL RELEASE IT
@@neonmike6152 scribblehub.. my author name is manwx.. hopefully soon.. I'm planning the story and chapters I'm actually thinking of expanding the family with similar characters each having similarities with saitama in some way.
Gona be an interesting one with saitama just punching through dimensions just to wind up in different verses at pivotal moments lol as he tries to avoid the multiverssal childcare police and their absurd fines lol while mash is having fun just existing in the universe he's in.
Cannon or canon?
Two very different things
well I mean, mashs' first episode is called "Mash Burndead and the body of the gods". If that title is as literal as I think it is, then Mash might just be the "ACTUAL" god of strength.
nah he's just a super strong guy
In his own verse, sure
name fallacy
The devils I'd BC are called evil gods so the evil God of time, gravity, space, ect and currently asta in base saitama's them on top of casual Universal+ Feats
Y'all should read the manga mash's body defeated time stop lol.
He moved so fast that when the time stopped it was if he was in normal spee.
Asta skipped height day😭
thats crazy
same
If only Asta was taller 😭
@@plzno7714 then hed be tall fodder
Nah ah
5:54 I love that Mash got so strong in the final fight because God felt a little silly
Mashle is such a funny manga, super underrated.
Glad the anime is bringing it even more attention.
"eh fuck it, it's funny so might as well give funny punch man Uber strength"
-the big G God of Mashle's verse
It’s not hard to belive that Lucifero really was going to destroy the world. He fused with the entire underworld and I guess we’re just ignoring Reve creating moons back in the elf arc?
I don’t think it’s hard to believe in Planetary Lucifero.
I’m just saying it’s less likely, than planetary innocent zero.
And while Dorothy’s Glamour World does create things. We have absolutely zero idea how big the “moons” in that space were.
You could very easily argue that they are just country sized rocks- or smaller. Since anything higher? Is a pretty extreme outlier, relative to what the series gives us. At least IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY the arguments for innocent zero are pretty strong I agree with that.
When reading the black clover manga it’s easy to tell they are more of a AP verse than dc. The salamander feat alone is calced to multi continental and that gets surpassed by Ladaros around episode 60ish which is way before the elf arc.
Not to mention we get confirmation that not only does Dorothy/Reves dimension scale to infinite in size and we get confirmation from Sally that what they create in Glamour world is the real deal making them most likely to be the size of actual moons.
Then we have Dante’s gravity singularity which has been calced to have enough gravity to be dwarf star, adding this with how much power cliffing is in the Black Clover series it’s safe to say Lucifero should be planetary at the least including the 3 separate statements he has for being planetary.
I haven’t finished mashle yet so I don’t know how many abilities mash even has however, you’ve left out a ton of Asta’s abilities that completely shift the battle.
Fate manipulation, time manipulation, resistance to time and space manipulation, precognition, power nullification, durability negation, reactive power level, and I haven’t even mentioned his causality manipulation with Causality break.
I just find Asta to have a few more win cons.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY great video btw
@@TUCKALMIGHTYfrom what I understand the moons are just that, actual moons and stars too
@@TUCKALMIGHTYMr crafty Scales actually got the planet of BC to solar the system and there's much higher feats in BC
a lot of people be forgetting that punching astas sword with physical attacks can actually break their arms.
No
It’s confirmed that physical attacks are Asta’s weakness
Saitama:
@@AliensInTheChaquetrixanime only, he removed that in the manga
@@AliensInTheChaquetrix Are they? Like I don't thing Zagred mixing real swords with magical really means that its his weakness. Asta just didn't ever really need to fight anything truly physical at the point.
It was actually C, that algorithm got you good bro
Good Indeed, still can't believe this one popped off so hard.
Same
nah this had to be one of the hardest videos ive seen in a while nice job man
Thanks! Always Appreciate it.
Love your amazing videos this video was crazy awesome man you got the true Talent PS I want to ask could you make a video on marvel comics chaos King vs anime medaka box najimi ajimu and dc_comics darkest knight vs medaka box kurokami isn't even close please please
0:22 or C you clicked on the video just to see where it goes.
One of the best powerscaling videos i have watched.Mash seems like a hard counter to asta.
Geez, is Black clover power scaling really this misunderstood?
I wouldn’t say hard counter, but Mash is probably one of the few characters in fiction that could win against him in a fist fight.
Idk much about scaling but I thought Asta smacks mash into orbit
11:54 This has me laughing so hard. Great video!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
I found your channel today cause i was looking up mash scaling. I first watched mash vs toji. Then naruto v ichigo. I started watching aang and then came to this. Ill go finish the aang vid now but i really like your vs match up videos.
I also like that based on how you did mash vs toji i was able to accurately guess who youd say would take asta vs mash.
I like what feels like internal consistency within your understanding of the characters. Even more so when sometimes i dont agree with the outcome but agree with your outcome based on how you presented the info.
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed our content! Hope we'll see you for whatever's next.
Also. It isn't usually too hard for me to keep the scaling consistent between releases. Since I write my own videos.
But hopefully that consistency between uploads, makes it a more fun way for returning viewers like yourself, to see all of a characters feats/scaling? Without having to sit through a single 40+ min video.
@TUCKALMIGHTY lets hope ! but id say youre doing good so far!
Mashle is on an entire league of his own when he's able to just brute force through a bootleg Meliodas's Full counter
Literally tanking his own damage and eventually hit so hard he broke the entity that was trying to bend his own power back at him
Not even mentioning that that “entity” is just a god lol
For a channel with only 1k followers. The edits a good. I'm subscribed just for that 😅
Absolutely GOATED comment!
Thanks for the Sub.
I caught up to both these mangas like 2 years ago so this was a good reminder to finish them lol
how tf does this channel only have 2k followers
Mashle is like saitama, the characteristic of him is that he cant loose, is not like other characters of other series, he cant loose, becouse is a satire, a parody… if he loosses the series end
I dont have pretty good english so think i overused comas
same with saiki, he can't lose, because that his thing, being funnily overpowered
Saiki does lose but whatever (he has to keep repeating the year because he isn’t strong enough to stop a super volcano eruption. Saiki still has some crazy hacks tho lol
You're wrong Mash lose his first fight with doom, and his first fight with innocen.
👀 doom let him alive because he wanna a Good fight and innocent zero took his heart. 😅
You could’ve used the movie scaling since it’s canon
I definitely should’ve mentioned it, since the movie does have a few interesting feats.
But honestly, it doesn’t really change Asta’s scaling too wildly.
Since Conrad isn’t stronger than Lucifero, and Asta’s amp in the movie makes it hard to quantify how he scales to the manga with multipliers.
Non canon
@@TUCKALMIGHTY there is some important factors you did indeed miss is that lucifero wasn't just planetary as a much weaker character known as Dante zogratis at only 80% devil power created a black hole which was calculated at nearly 5x baseline planetary and then he would gain a 20% boost which is a 20x mulipler added onto the 80x muliplter now the other zogratis siblings are nearly as strong as him so it would be reasonable to scale them together at at least 13x to 15x planetary together now this wouldn't scale asta above the mash calc you did
but this is where it does where the god of curses megicula(she is a woman btw) she performs a feat that makes her 100x stronger then the entire dark triad who would be 13 to 15x planetary but lets go with only 14 times as a middle part getting 832.16 zettatons now x100 gives me 83,216 zettatons or 8.3216 yottatons which is large planetary now lucifero himself even tho it was only 50% his physical str and magical power he should be at least 2x stronger then this in base making his ap and dura to 16.6432 yottatons which is dawrf star lvl now i don't know how much devil power increases for him compared to the dark triad but ima go with the percentage normally meaning 50% is just 50%
(probably might be the later but ima just use this) and since you used 100% to scale asta since its half his physical and magic power he should be around 4x stronger then his base making his ap and dura around 66.5728 yottatons which is still dawrf star lvl but higher and lucifero is a supreme devil now domnatio was stronger then paladin lily who was as strong as a supreme devil so him being able to one shot domnatio should make him at least 7x stronger then him making asta ap and dura at 466 yottatons getting him closer to the middle ground for dawrf star lvl
@@TUCKALMIGHTY no hate just wanted to point out some things you didnt use that would've made the scaling for BC much more clear
@@apocrypha5062 oh it's most definitely canon 💀
Bro's getting better at editing
GOATED comment. Thanks!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY2 things anti magic effects physical things just like normal magic and asta casually scales to Universal+ in base
@@TUCKALMIGHTYand currently base asta saitama's everyone besides like 5 characters rn
powerscale video without toxic? THANKS GOD!
Video is great! Thank you!
(And sorry for my eng)
Damm didn't know Mash gets that strong. I wonder how strong both will be in their Prime tho. Hopefully enough content for a part 2 comes out
mashle is finished as far as im concerned, but might check this out tho for more confirmation
@@nng_furtillowMash has ended. It’s last chapter is 162.
Mash is kinda infinite potential since all he does is pump iron and get stronger, rn he moved a whole continent by swimming and he finished the last vilain kinda easily
@@bigjc5546 he also beat him countless times as he kept reversing time
and no matter what he tried Msh kept beating him
At first i was salty since i only watched the mashle anime but i guess he’s built diff in the manga. R.I.P my boy Asta
Awesome Vid!😎👍
Great take IMO well executed and good intro coming into this i thought mash would take all categories but agility is the reason black clover is a goated anime the speed battle where some of my favorite
nahhhhhhhhhhh the skyfall kaisen at the end 🙏🙏💀
Can you do Sukuna vs Gun Devil for a video?
I love Mash Vs Asta btw, knew my boi was getting cooked😭
feel like gun devil would win as devils can regen limbs(sukuna's main attacks are cutting) and can kill 1.2 million people in 5 minutes, with 57912 in 26 seconds in Japan, compared to 1000 in 299 for gojo, which makes the gun devil over 700 times faster than gojo, who put up a good fight against sukuna.
@D ALSO factor in that was only a 20% of the gun Devil held by the Americans that was unleashed in Japan
@@RandomGuy41511 Devils can regenerate but they lose blood in exchange
Sukuna wins he's smarter with better feats
@@RandomGuy41511Remember that Gojo had to be careful with his movement and couldn't seriously move around people, plus he had to make turns and changes of directions, unlike the Gun Devil, who just attacked everything in a straight line without worrying about anything
You deserve a sub for this dude!
Thanks, always appreciate it!
The mashed manga has got to be one of the hypest mangas I’ve read
Can you do these BLEACH vs BC matchups analysis?
1. 26 Sternritter vs 7 Paladins
2. Aizen + Yhwach vs Lucius+ Lucifero
3. Five War Potentials vs Five Devils
(Lucifero, Megicula, Liith, Nahamah, Zagred)
my child are u trying to kill and spit on black clover or smthin
Wow. Like thats just... Wow.
1. paladins get cooked
2. using the uni meta for lucius and lucifero and get them to 4d-5d they still lose
3. devils ge tcooked
@@wuuhnnnnobody in bleach has magic so they can’t kill the devils ..
@@sasukethelast9515 reiatsu
This is surprisingly your best video yet... The scaling and everything was so grounded into the CONTEXT... And story...
Very good video... The part about the world thing that you corrected for Black Clover is very true... People always forget that except there is showings and feats to back up a statement, the statement is just a statement, plus Devils do not plan on destroying the planet, but rather destroying human lives and ruling over them.... But people just take it at face value and say Lucifero is Planetary.
Good video... Will watch some more later.
He is planetary
I think the Planetary Lucifero line of scaling is pretty bad since it's just a statement. If you're gonna go that route, just scale Asta to moon-universal via Dorothy's Glamour World. Everything she creates in there is the real thing, and we've seen moons and stars. Not to mention her space is infinite, confirmed by Reve, who corrected Magna dismissing Luck's assumption that it is infinite. Asta scales much higher than Reve, Dorothy, and Yami (the one who destroyed Glamour World originally).
one punch potter is a CRAZY nickname
how have i not heard of these
This is an extremely well put together video!
That last line especially sld me on your verdict. Asta's other best matchup against Meliodas is just a guy with magic vs a slightly stronger guy with magic eraser.
But Mash is just kinda a goofy little guy, who does goofy little things, leaving Asta nothing to really effectively counter. It's a bit like pitting Asta up against Deku if he didn't sadly stat stomp
I can say this much though, Asta likely still has experience with him, having fought and trained for a longer time. I don't think saying the fight isn't close is correct, as Asta still has a few more avenues to take a victory on his own. I think you should have went a bit more in-depth on Mash's powerset to seal the deal (Which I did after watching this video)
That being said, the matchup is still a little bit up in the air for me with me leaning slightly more towards Asta, but Mash likely does take it.
Again, great video, I'll look forwards to more.
Honestly, Asta's biggest weakness here isn't the fact that Mash can survive without his organs. Asta could do some massive damage inspite of that.
The problem is that Asta is a SERIOUS shounen protagonist with some comedy.
Mash is a gag character, who regularly fights seriously characters and just trolls the fuck out of them.
For that reason alone, Asta will never win.
But also, they'd instantly be best friends. And Mash might actually fall for Charmy, 'cause I have 0 doubt that girls sheep could make some killer cream puffs. o,,o
You should’ve collabed with broku for this. That would’ve been goated
I'm not sure if he would've been interested, but it definitely would've been cool!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY perhaps, but when it comes to anything relating to black clover he looks to be always intrigued to join in, hopefully one day 🙌🌟
Down played Asta the whole video 🥱🥱. Clear mash bias
Broku is the biggest joke ever. Any collab would immediately taint any and all credibility. The guy scales black clover characters to universal+ yet claims Toji from jjk would easily beat asta and yuno. The guy has zero clue what hes yapping about.
Heard Grandeur in the background. You have my like now.👍
When I was a kid, I was genuinely scared of the SpongeBob worm thing that played the music. So thanks for reminding me of that abomination
When you said it comes down to who’s faster and who’s stronger, I instinctively said “Sonic is faster.” And now I’m ashamed at how much of a Sonic nerd I am.
He is the fastest thing alive after all, it's only natural 👍
W but asta can get to large planet maybe even dwarf star with the lucius scaling currently
how
Devil's by destroying the planet = society
You saw the scan, it wouldn't make sense to destroy the planet while Lucius wants humans to live eternal life
@@-Archetype_Earth-that doesnt disapprove supreme devils having the abilities to do so, that means they dont want to, if u havent caught on already villains in black clover dont want to destroy the planet
@@mal_kys they don't want to? Tf is that logic
They just can't or don't have power to do so lol
@@-Archetype_Earth- its because they dont want to and most likely lack the destructive capability to do so while having the ap to damage someone with the durability to withstand a planet level attack, im convinced you didnt even read the series cause the villains have stated their motivations on multiple occasions which quite literally proves my point and makes you look foolish
I would like to point out that Innocent Zero was capping about destroying the planet as his attack did hit the ocean and only caused a tsunami.
He wasn't capping, all of the divine visionaries were working together to nerf the attack- so that it didn't nuke the planet.
So if Mash fought innocent zero alone, he probably would've either totally deleted the planet. Or Mash would've had to stop the attack himself, somehow.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Still the world is too vague, I can argue it being continental since we see that Mash Earth doesn't have much land mass.
Not to mention where will Innocent Zero go if the planet is gone ? This isn't star wars, as far as they know it's the only planet with life.
With Lucifero you can say he will destroy the planet because he can just go back to hell. But Innocent Zero not really.
Asta has a on screen feat of cutting a Meteor which is calced to Multi continental. And that was mid timeskip.
After all the multipliers he is easily in Moon to small planet level.
Not to mention the abysmal speed Gap. Innocent Zero in his "God Form" was having trouble with Margert who was moving at the speed of sound and explicitly has the reaction time of 0.1 seconds.
Even in terms of Raw strength Asta hit a asteroid so hard that he killed it's momentum. Again mid time skip
Plus you should have waited for the Deku video.
The manga is about to end we are most likely going to get a massive final punch to destroy the storm above Japan (it is narratively built up as the darkness)
@@TUCKALMIGHTY
@Agent47 You can definitely argue the attack as Multi-Continental, although that sort of logic would remain true for any statements made in Black Clover as well.
As for narrative implications? Innocent Zero was openly done with life, and prepared to throw everything at Mash- because he had reversed the timeline potentially hundreds of attempts over? Yet could never defeat Mash on his own, in any reality. So it would make sense for him to just say screw it, and destroy the world at that point.
Asta's meteor calc is using an amped form, and is in a movie with debatable canonicity.
As for the speed gap? It's stated on screen that Levis, is Mach 7. With Levis being fodder, to Domina, and Domina being fodder to Doom (by thousands of times over)-- with Innocent Zero folding all of them easily. Using Margert to lowball Mashle's speed, is similar to saying Black Clover can't be FTL. Since light magic is faster than Julius, who was strong in the verse.
As for the Deku video, we made it months ago. I just didn't want to wait a whole year to cover the topic, when we had other Deku videos planned for the end of MHA.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY
I am using that logic for Black clover. I don't scale it to planet level from Lucifero's statement because again too ambiguous. But the meteor feat gets it there anyway.
The movie is canon but standalone. Like MHA movies. It did happen but it doesn't affect the main story and is never mentioned in it.
We see Asta dodge light in sleep. And unlike Mashle, magic in Black clover doesn't follow the rules of physics. You have black light magic that somehow makes it faster. Plus Julius was winning that fight until Patri made him use up everything.
Levis still blasts Innocent Zero's head off.
Light is 800,000 times faster than sound and Yuno blocked thousands of light rays at once being calced at 430+ times light speed.
So even if Innocent Zero was a 100,000 times faster than Margert, he would still be 3.7 million times slower than Yuno.
i clicked on this video and then realized i havent even finished the first season of Mash and im not even close to being caught up on the manga. I will come back when im ready
This is literally the 1st time I've seen anything related to Mash, I'm a big BC fan and after watching the video and learning what Asta is up against; Mash clearly takes it.
Nice video though was very informative.
If you like the vibes of Black Clover? Harry Potter? Or enjoy series like One Punch Man? I'd definitely give the Anime a try. It's pretty funny, and has solid action for a comedic series.
Regardless, Glad you enjoyed. Hope you'll stick around for whatever is next!
mash vs toji from jjk when
If this video keeps getting views, I'd expect to see it really soon lol.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY thank you
Wait I just realised that Finn is like a mixture of king and mumen rider hes a coward but would also stand up for his friends
Damn... was really hoping of links for the calcs especially for the mashle speed one (iirc I got it to around sub rel but that always felt off)
lucifero without the statements still scale to planetary via dantes singularity and megicula. Theres no reason for them to stay at moon level since the elf arc, Its like saying no progress has been done
A lot of people don't care for the type of scaling that black clover does which is linear scaling this character is stronger than the last character because not only are they fighting a stronger main character than the one that the other guy fought but they're also showcasing a lot more power versatility that the main character can't deal with these are the same people that have an issue if you assume that every character is light speed that shows up in these fights because 15 other characters have been stated but that doesn't mean all the other characters are fight alongside them are that fast which physically does not work I couldn't keep up in a fight if I wasn't relative to the person that I'm fighting
@@tyking33 Kinda does, if u can keep up with a such person stated to be by example ftl+, you'd scale somewhat relative
@@tyking33 All it takes is commen sense, a brain and the understanding of a shonen power creep
@@wuuhnnnyou're pretty ignorant lmao
@@madhatter2549 how
Also the last point saying mash is a terrible match up for asta doesn’t make much sense since it isn’t like anti magic neggs magic.
That’s actually exactly what Anti-Magic is made to do. We see this explicitly on many occasions. Including the Lucifero fight.
No, Asta has to scale to the magic to negate it. It's not just a straight up cancel.@@TUCKALMIGHTY
This isn’t entirely true. Asta’s anti magic can negate any spell. It just can’t negate the force of spells.
The only time the actually amount of Anti-Magic matters. (Which is referred to in the Viz translation as “Anti-Magic Power”)
Would be when Asta is amping his stats through things such as TDU or the OG Black form.
But TL;DR? As long as Liebe coats Asta in Anti-Magic, he’s effectively immune to any Hax/abilities- and is only effected by their raw AP.
At least as far as I know.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY anti magic= ap so hes still damaging mash easily
@@wuuhnnn Anti Magic does equal AP. I just think Mash has better AP/Dura then anything Asta has shown, even with Anti Magic.
You forgot to scale Doom when scaling speed which puts mash minimum 2x faster
Didn’t forget, it just wasn’t super relevant. Since you could definitely argue the same for Asta.
I came here as an anime only and since we'd JUST finished a fight where Mash was confirmed (slightly) slower than SOUND I thought this was going to be a very, VERY different video.
He's faster than sound.
Yeah I see he got some ridiculous gains between where they are in the anime and where they are now@@LegendaryBrownNinja
@@wJermell0no he was just fucking around in the anime he already is much faster than sound in base mode
Yiu just saying asta is barely planetary when we have Dorothy creating moons in her dimension??? You said asta ability won't work, asta anti magic would still work , anti magic carries a force woth it , so if he gets hit by an anti magic slash hed get cut , daman bro , you severely underrating asta
You don't know what hax is
Yet devil's by destroying planet = society when Lucius plans on humanity to live eternal life
Crazy how mash still slams lmao
@@sphera4147 in his magic less dream lmao
@@-Archetype_Earth- when humanity was meant, it was clearly stated as humanity, when world was mentioned is meant the planet
@@shadowsredeye it meant society imao
It's not even proven Black Clover characters being able to destroy the planet
*Society*
Why didn't you bring up glamour world? Its one of the biggest feats out there stated to be infinite sized realm thats universal and pre time skip yami cut through it thats means yamis attack had to move an infinite distance in an insant to be able to do such a feat and if i remember right it was aimed at dorothy and she somewhat reacted to it and saw it comming now thats a little to high ball but a feat either way, pre time skip asta was dodging light and asta devil union is at least MFTL+ and universal level as yami was shown to be able to cut an infinite sized realm and asta is stronger and has better hax, dorothy got destroyed by the curse devil which is weaker then lucifero which asta beat and the lucifero statement about being able to destroy the world at a 100% needs to be taken serious, he has the hax and power to do it, gravity manipulation is strong and that 1/100 slow down feat is nothing as asta is MFTL+ or you can say light speed for a low ball and thats still 2 million m/s , just dont see how mash does it, asta out speeds him by a lot and asta combining ki with his own style of dimensional slash which is do able as his ki works on everything so i dont see mash doing it
And the anti magic part, I have to disagree as asta was getting blitzed by Lucifero and that same Lucifero was struggling to keep up with true devil union mode which means it affected astas stats a lot
innocent zero is stated to transcand existence in his final form,he transcands gods and humanity existence. mash is low complex multiversal then i guess x)
@@FranceOnTop he doesn't have any feats that backs those statements up, Lucifero does and if you are right then it's falsely proven, if he is above existence he should be above death and life, concepts, reality, time space, dimensionality, irrelevant speed and yet what did he do with that? Slow down time to 1/100 buddy that's, if what is stated is true he should have killed mash before he was born, paradox is in existence and if he is above it, he shouldn't be affected by it
@@FranceOnTop Dorothy dream world is a different realm and even if you say it's not infinite yami was able to cut it, meaning his move still cuts dimensions, Dorothy got curved stomped by curse devil who is weaker then lucifero who mind you can create black holes as shown when yami fought Dante as dante had tbe gravity manipulation given by Lucifero but even that dante who made a black hole would not stand a chance against Lucifero
@@FranceOnTop and who stated that and how many times has that been stated
I would've appreciated if you also added AP as the scalings.Mash currently haven't really shown able to destroy dimensions and yet asta can do this with a simple dimension slash plus with zetten he can just disintegrate his target tk pieces.Not saying mash can't handle it but his endurance is equal to his strength and his yet to shown feats of destroying dimensions
My 2 favorite new gen mcs getting put up against each other?! Hell yea!
I am so tempted to break down literally everything you got wrong for Asta and Mash, cause honestly, you downplayed them both dramatically, Asta to an absolutely egregious level, there is a clear bias for Mash in this bideo, but you still somehow got even his power break down wrong in places. You say ‘Context is king’, then immediately ignored the fact that Asta scales far above several beings in his own series that scale to low and high universal, not to mention that your argument that Asta’s anti magic would be useless is baseless and shows a clear lack of understanding for the source material or the context in it, and that’s not even touching on the fact that you outright left out the fact that Asta is basically clairvoyant and a much smarter fighter than Mash. Though I do say that in terms of durability Mash still takes it, that’s not even a question, but strength and speed are stats that Asta can close the gap on by just using his Anti magic to pump himself up like a mage does with Mana Skin cause, get this, HE HAS HIS OWN INNATE ANTIMAGIC NOW! He doesn’t need to even have his swords to do it anymore. You’re making a fight that has a lot of layers of nuance and just saying that one is stronger than the other without contextualizing power ups in the least.
I know nothing of Black Clover, and next to nothing about Mashle, so I took this video at face value. If this video really is downplaying both contestants, and especially Asta, to the extents that you're proclaiming, then I would love to see you break the entire situation down.
@@DemavuratheannoyingI mean he left out feats about Asta which can be Highballed to Universe level tho the more consistent Strength Scaling is Planetary-Solar Systeme and he got speed a bit lower than it actually is but not enough to make an actual difference
@@scarecrow4611 I thought the verse capped at like, around planetary. Thank you for informing me.
@@Demavuratheannoying yeah most people don’t know about those feats like Dorothy’s infinite Dimension that got Destroyed by Yami or the Dwarf Star Dante there are a looot of things he left out.
Power aside, astas speed scaling was just so wrong it was funny. Implying mashle outspeeds asta with a measily 3500x ftl is a joke when lowball scaling gives asta 3 billion x ftl
asta would win for sure
Agreed
The end was gold
Just came across this video and so…who thought this was a close match up???
If this comments gets 40 likes I will start studying guys please start disliking I don't want to study😭
Fuck that get me 49 likes so this guy can't study
Get to training buddy, no more books.
@@amoranth9951 who said about books i know i wont get 40 likes thats why i said this
Early academic comeback
Get to studying bud
you under scaling asta my guy.
just black asta one shotted ladros who absorbed salamander who was said to capable of vaporizig an entire ocean with just a swing of its talons and that alone puts him continental to multi-continental ap and that was just the first time asta awakened to his black asta.
The salamander calc is severely blown out of proportion most of the time.
The original scan says “The fire dragon's breath burns everything down, a blow with its claws brings the sea to dry out!…”
Because this feat never happens on screen? We have no metrics to determine what time frame this takes place in- or how big the sea was.
The most common interpretations of this calc. Assume that the entire sea is vaporized, as well as assuming that the sea is relatively large (as opposed to something smaller like the Baltic Sea)
So IMO? If you ignore the idea that this databook could just be hyperbole. The feat can range anywhere from Small Country Level, to Multi-Continental. Making it pretty inconsistent to use.
In comparison to Lucifero’s more blatant planet busting/life wiping stuff. Hope that explained my thoughts on it, thanks for the comment!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY you are forgetting that it was said “a swing from its claws/talons” meaning that it’s not even salamander’s full power or going all out, just a portion of its power.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Asta is at a point where just his base alone outscales true devil union who overpowered lucifero who was said to be world ending threat.
@@Weeb-Knightmash destroyed a door that exists beyond the physical realm. He also performed the 3500x ftl feat while being suppressed (had weights on that directly suppress his strength and speed.)
@@Ending681 if you wanna go that route then Asta scales way way higher than Dorothy who created infinite dimension and everyone who’s capable of destroying that said dimension LOL.
I also like how Mash still holds back because he actually isn't even trying to kill throughout the entire story, so even with his limiters off we haven't seen him at his FULL fighting potential. But I feel like you forgot to mention Mash's crazy adaption, it's a power in its own right I'd say.
just in ur fisrt 1;10min the presentation was so good i had to sub, i hope u grow more
Always appreciate it, thanks man!
Didn't Asta doge light beam in season one.
@sarav1124 He sort of did, but he used precognition (predicting it) to basically aim dodge the attack.
We know Yami & Julius were both stated slower than Patri’s light. So BoS Asta is also quite a bit slower as well. He’s definitely FTL by the timeskip though!
how could they be slower than patri's light if both of them dodged it countless times and parried it countless times in their fights and asta literally dodged a light ray from gauche reflexively while asleep after that he learns ki and starts reacting to and dodging patri too. Also the magics dont even have a set speed. The patri who fought Yami was much weaker in all aspects than the one who fought Julius. That patri is also much weaker than the one who fought asta and yuno later. His magic from his first appearance is minimum light speed. Also for the whole lucifero part. If u actually watched or read black clover u would know a 1% increase in devil power is exponential. Vanica was at
50% and noelle was doing fine, she went up to 51% and noelle started losing by a good margin. Asta fought at beat lucifero who only had 50% power and no grimoire which would buff him even more than just having 100%. Lucius has 100% of lucifero's power, blood, soul, mind, body magic, time magic, gravity magic etc. He also conquered all of hell which is at the minimum Universal in size. In base asta after time skip managed to fight against him before learning zettan. Just ts base asta is vastly strong than him in tdu vs lucifero. You are lowballing asta like crazy the bias is insane. Buddy is a yappaholic. Also about mash vs innoccent zero the god literally had to lend mash power, revive him from the dead after getting folded and train him for a entire year for him to win. He was not winning without a handout. Also he didnt even survive without a heart like you said he died, god revived him and they gave his body a magically made artificial heart so he could get up and fight. @@TUCKALMIGHTY
oh look at that he left out the magic heart. One slash with the katana and bro is cooked.
Like man the way its painted is so random. i think he forgot to mention that Asta also tanked a crazy attack without his body bursting while being super under lucifer's power and 10x it too.
also this match up is kind of random, its like pairing up a joke with a standard character. what would be really interesting is if Asta can solo one of bleach's characters @@cjfizz7679
@@TUCKALMIGHTY No he's not. If you wanna scale a character to ftl or even c alone you need a rock solid feat that can pass the barrier. Saying "x character is 10x(or any other made up mulitplier) faster than y, y is 99% the speed of light therefore x is ftl" is completely wrong and wilfully ignoring special relativity.
While I usually like powerscaling, mash is a comedy character, so even if he is weaker, "oh nvm he oneshots anyway". Its like saitama, if hes weaker, no hes not.
I sort of agree? Since Mash does come from a more comedic series.
But similar to OPM, Mash does have some pretty clear limits. As well as a very clear storyline, and likable side cast.
So I’d consider him more along the lines of a parody character then a gag character personally.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYdont put Saitama in the same sentence with "limits". It's literally stated he has infinite strength Via the official OPM website (which is canon) on top of Garou confirming both of them are at endless horizon of power. I get what you're trying to say since mash obviously isn't on Saitamas lvl but don't start saying Saitama has limits when he clearly doesn't.
Saitama isn't currently infinite in power. It's never stated that he does. Saitama DOES however, have infinite potential. As the manga makes it clear, that anyone who removes their limiters (such as Garou or Saitama) are granted infinite potential.
With Saitama outright saying he had to use his "full power" against Garou (which obviously implies his power has a current maximum.)
Mash is not Saitama level. But they are very similar, in regards to how their powers progress. As both seem to effectively have zero limits on their physical growth.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one mate. First of even if you wanted to go off by saying that Saitama went full power, Saitama then says afterwards that he only needs one hand to beat garou, implying that he doesn't have to go all out. If Saitama truly meant what he said then why would he deliberately give himself the disadvantage? And keep in mind garou literally has way better martial arts than Saitama, and yet Saitama is the one who not only uses one hand but STILL manages to beat garou. Secondly, as I've stated earlier, The official OPM website which is canon literally puts the infinity symbol on his strength, clearly proving that his strength is infinite. Even if you wanted to say Saitama went "full power" that in of itself doesn't debunk Saitama having infinite strength especially if a canon source confirms it. And also don't try bothering to bring up the graph, that doesn't contradict Saitama having infinite strength either, since the graph is the mathematical equation e^infinity which by definition is infinite and boundless, which is consistent with the whole narrative of OPM. Saitama has no limits and was never meant to have limits like other shonen, and it's clear from the show and anime.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY i would send you the link to the source but RUclips loves to delete comments, but the scan does exists which clearly proves he has infinite strength
I agree with the results off this video. But I did want to bring up that Anti-Magic doesn't JUST work on Magic. It's true that in the beginning Asta couldn't harm non-magical objects and what not. But as he trained he figured out how to. For instance, one of the panels you showed from Black Clover is Asta's Anti-Magic Zetten essentially disintigrating a stalk of bamboo. Now that's just the most obviously example. But you get what I mean.
I should've probably been a bit more specific, by saying that Asta's Anti-Magic doesn't do anything special- against non magic users. Anti-Magic zetten for example, is just a powerful wave of force against physical objects. So Asta can cut bamboo into atoms with his raw power-- but it's not exactly a hax ability? As opposed to just raw force.
It's also never really stated, or implied that this limitation changed from earlier in the series? Where we are directly told, it only works against magic.
Just one thing what about the dimensions slash since its yami slash just with anti magic also Asta has actually weapons which i know that they all are ( except the demon slasher) are blunt objects. One other thing if we do have Asta have the wizard king sword he would have access to some of the magic. Also great video nice job I just give some other things that coulve played in the fight.
No offense (which i know is a waste of time but I don't wanna be that guy) Black clover Get's MASSIVELY underscaled. Most Black clover characters scale as massively stronger than universal. Glamor world is infinitely big and yami cuts it in one slash, this same yami is nothing in comparison to current asta. In short Asta has at minimum universal+ scaling and while I'm not hugely familiar with mash I don't think he has that level of strength. Correct me if im wrong
Continental
@@-Archetype_Earth-star level, continental every since
@@mal_kys star level?😂
Who destroyed stars let alone planet
I swear black clover is overwanked these days, maybe just because of that YT called Broku who got slammed in debates imao
@@-Archetype_Earth- its a mix of common sense, feats, statements and a basic understanding of shonen power creep also multipliers, do you not know what attack potency is? you dont need to destroy a star to be star level
@@-Archetype_Earth- they already surpassed continental every since and i havent seen anyone actual "slam" broku in debates, so that would just be your opinion and not fact
One massive problem asta has way better hax
What power does Asta have, that would even work against Mash?
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Dantes singularity has been calculated to at least large planetary
@jaiy1321 Dante's singularity isn't an actual black hole, which is what that calc assumes. So large planetary is pretty inconsistent for Dante.
@TUCKALMIGHTY How is it not an actual blsckhole when it bends space itself, as well as it stopped a stronger version of dimension slash that cut through an infinite dimension
@@TUCKALMIGHTYEquinox is a dimensional slash mash hasn't shown any resistance to spacial manipulation as far as I am sure
Also anti magic is confirmed to be anti energy which can also destroy energies like life force energy
Which is applicable to mash because he has life force within him
Now let's talk about the main part here which is devil union and freaking "Immortality"
According to zenon devils can't be killed unless you have saint holy lvl magic in order to kill a devil you need to destroy their heart and the only way to destroy a heart is to either have anti magic or to be a higher level devil or have saint holy magic
And mash basically has none of them within his arsenal meaning the movement he enters into devil union it is straight up game over for mash
So it's not close at all Asta brutally slams here
You basically underrated asta like all the other scalers does without even researching properly
Also do you know anything about Black clover cosmology?
Asta is stated to capable of destroying Tree of Quliptoth which is literally holds a freaking multiverse together
And speciality of Asta narrative
On why he is called "the flaw of the world"
You forgot reason C, You, watch a lot of Death Battle and RUclips so this had VS in the title
The Common Death Battle W.
Where you go, I go
What you see, I see
I know I'd never be me
Without the security
Of your loving arms
Keeping me from harm
Put your hand in my hand
And we'll stand
Beings that control time and space are different than beings that embody those domains. One had to learn to control them, while the other does it just like breathing. So there's a difference in power with those that slayed such beings.
Mash got he heart ripped off by innocent zero and was still able to kick innocent zero
Mash is a modern OPM, which is beautiful
Why at the end of the bling bang blinng bling bang i hear "balls" at the end
I didn't realise mash was so op, the anime is keeping a good lid on that
Asta has better range tho, add that to his speed being superior, his strength being slightly inferior (emphasis on slightly) and his own version of Yami's dimension slash and that's all folks
Or C it was a random video of some mangas i have read sometime ago.
I need to catch up.
Could you do Jinwoo vs Saitama.
In the final fight agaisnt Innocent Zero mash moved so fast he moved through frozen time. This was suppressed mash btw. And he moved the entire continent to avoid Innocent's Zeros Darks Thirds: Lucifer's Inclination : Darkness Disaster.
For me is 3, the agerithem gave me this video and i got curious
Every time i see a gag character pit against a serious character i lose more faith in this community
When I saw mashle, I thought that since there is a group without the marks that can’t use outward magic, that it was physical magic. I’m probably wrong though….
Mash can kickstroke the continents thousands of miles in literal seconds like it was just a morning workout.
they both pump iron🗿
You say, at the beginning, that there are only two reasons. I have a third reason. C) I got it in the random recommendations on the front page and went "Eh, why not." xP
Oh nah you'll see me again. I gotta prove you wrong now. O>O
Can’t wait for the dorothy dream world multiversal scaling bs argument
The op guy who doesn't use magic
Vs
Some guy thats whole thing is eating up magic to outlast his opponent
I know the Elric brothers would be pissed at Truth for how Mash forced him to let him go with no sacrifice 😂
Innocent Zero literally traveled to multiple timelines, and he was always beaten by Mash no matter what. Mash is like canon event itself.
So is this fight kinda like the flash versus Superman?
Yeah, you could definitely see it that way!
Asta has a small edge in speed, and multiple extra abilities to cement that advantage. But he's still definitely comparable to Mash.
Where as Mash has a much more significant strength edge--
Which is very similar to how Flash Vs Superman is often portrayed.
I love both series. Who do i think would win? Honestly, Mash, what do i think would happen? Theyd go drink protein eat cream puffs and spot eachother in the gym. No fight, end of
I think its funny how a lot of these matchups are putting a character with deep writing, context and a reasonable amount of plausible deniability, against a character from a series that will just flat out bend its own rules to make the character indestructible. Its the same with the argument who would win between Sitama and Popeye, or Deadpool and the mask. If you put someone who has to play by the rules of reality against someone who doesn't then the answer will always be clear.
"Congratulations on reaching 100k views on this video."
No one beats Andy in a fight to the death cause he can outlive the universe and big bang infinite times
Jin Mori slams
Don't know if u have already watched it but definitely need to check out Broku's Videos for asta
Also, How can Mashle Fly? Because that thing he did with the Broom is Nothing compared to Actually Flying which Asta can
I've definitely seen a few of Broku's vids in the past. His scales of Asta are definitely interesting, although definitely on the more charitable, calc stacking side- as opposed to the more condensed view we gave here.
And Mash can fly by kicking his legs at Mach speeds, generating large amounts of lift/downward thrust.
It's more akin to walking on air, but functionally? It's just as useful to him as prolonged flying, since he can keep it up indefinitely from the start of his series onwards. Hope that answered your question!
Broku is a BC glazer & BC is not universal
Broku is possibly the worst scaler ever
@@TUCKALMIGHTY didn't know he can reach Mach speeds with that but does he have Proper Control to Fly Freely Like asta can on his Sword ? or Yuno?
Or is it just a technicality as if to say "Well, Technically ! he CAN Fly"
And yea I don't necessarily Fully Agree with Broku's Highballs Either but just wanted to acknowledge some his Stuff
the Extent to which I Agree is BC being somewhat Large or Multi planetary At Most
can't spell smash without mash. mash be smashing every opponent he sees just because they threatened his creampuffs
the spoilers in this hit real hard for me