Ichigo didn't lose his HoS, huh? His blade isn't weirdly changed, he just chooses it to look like that, as confirmed by Tite Kubo. The last part about Ichigo was just incorrect and in contrast with the source material, you should probably re-read the last part of Bleach. Also there is no logic reason for him to become weaker in hell arc, on the contrary he probably attained a better mastery of his powers, and also he casually cuts the chains of hell in shikai while Renji, a captain+ level character can't even nick, therefore Ichigo killing the ghoul isn't the biggest feat there.
Facts, kubo even stated ichigo has mastered his abilities and powers over the 10 years and he still can summon the horn of Salvation, the only reason he needed to absorb some of Ywachs Spiritual energy was cause he had just acquired his true powers and hasnt had time to master them yet. Basically ichigo was just winging it. Kubo stated after he finishes up the Last part of the Anime for TYBW that he will start the next arc of the bleach manga "Breathe of Hell". He has alot of surprises with Ichigo and that Ichigo is Still the Main character while Kazui is a Side Main Character, kinda like How Naruto and Boruto was supposed to be before Kishimoto decided to make Boruto the main character and Naruto a Side Main character. It is hinted that ichigo has mastered Blut as in Blut Vene, Blut Arterie and even the more powerful version of Blut vene wich Both Ywach and Misaki used. Ichigo did absorb some more of Ywachs power after killing Ywach so i bet his Quincy half is enhanced kinda like how his hollow side evolved to Vasto Lorde.
"no logic reason" is a bit too much. he simple not training because of there was no need/incentive is a perfectly logical reason. of course, we don't know if he did or not so it's all headcanon for now.
Keep in mind that I’m mainly just talking about stats for those two in this video. So things like The ALMIGHTY or Kaguya’s powers- aren’t really being taken in to account here. I just think their AP is pretty similar.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY not really Ywach raw power alone no hax can destroy all worlds most of which are stated infinite or blatant universe including an infinitely large void that contains all worlds while Kaguya's at bare minimum universal at best due to time-space statement Kaguya is still way below Ichibe who's stronger than the rest of squad zero that combined can destroy all worlds she's Ichibe is weaker than Almighty Ywach still bellow base soul king Ywach who's below Horn of Salvation they are not close not even remotely
@@4nero_Dem0n1c kaguya is low multiversal because of her dimension stated to be parallel dimension and parallel dimension=parallel universe (search it on internet yourself what is parallel dimension is) and kaguyas can destroy/recreate all of his 6 dimension....
@@cjmatrix7366 parallel dimensions aren't universes they just separate pockets of space with unquantifiable sizes till proven otherwise at bare minimum they solar system but the mention of time-space does infact grant all of Kaguya's dimensions to be overall a universe but saying all of them is a universe on their own is downright wank and blatant ignorance a separate dimension does not mean universe your confusing things By that logic I can say bleach is hyperversal since way weaker characters can create dimensions of their own not to mention the number of separate dimensions with a lot being infinite in size appearing or mentioned in bleach (I do not agree to this btw) Scaling does not work that way your just confusing names
@@4nero_Dem0n1c Bro literally 🤦... No one is saying dimension equals the universe but "parallel dimensions" are because parallel dimension is mirrored dimension of Naruto universe 👇 Literally from wikipedia (parallel universe in fiction, also known as an alternate universe, parallel world, parallel dimension, or alternate reality, is a hypothetical self-contained plane of existence, co-existing with one's own. The sum of all potential parallel universes that constitute reality is often called a "multiverse".) Also the Momoshiki dimension is shown to have countless stars (just watch Momoshiki and Kinshiki appearance) And both kaguya dimensions stated to have its own space time and Momoshiki dimension stated to be hyperspace and every context is saying it is universe....
Ichigo didn't permanently lose his Quincy power, Ichigo partially merged with Zangetsu (the sheath/white shell of Tensa Zangetsu) to regain the Quincy and Hollow powers Yhwach had taken. CFYOW already mentioned Ichigo fully recovered after his fight with Yhwach, Kubo later revealed the details of Ichigo merging with his Hollow and Quincy powers on Klub Outside.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY If not that theres also Kubo statements in klub kubo in which he says that Ichigo can still switch to his duel form which would make no sense if he lost his quincy powers as his quincy powers form one of his swords.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThis was a nice video with a fine analysis. But I have to disagree. The first problem is that you assume that Kaguya and Yhwach is equal. They are not! If we really taking the high end scalings, Yhwach should be far higher above Kaguya. Kaguya can be universal alright, but then Yhwach is far in the multiversal range. Yhwach won't just destroy the World of the living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, but the many Valley of Screams and even the Garganta that encompasing them. Defeating Yhwach who can destroy the Garganta that contains many universal sized separate space-time dimensions, makes Ichigo unquestionably above Kaguya and even Isshiki. The second problem is that the Bayron Mode's life shaving hax is actually incredibly weak. Isshiki had just only 20 hours lifespan left that Naruto shortened it to 5-3 minutes in the end. Let's be very generous and say that Bayron Mode Naruto's every punch drains a day worth of lifespan. To kill a totally normal adult Naruto needs to take away 40 years from them. 40 years = 14 600 days = 14 600 punch So Naruto needs to hit an average human 14 600 times to kill them with Bayron Mode's lifespan drain hax. Even if we just say that Naruto just standing there passively drains 1 day worth of life energy every second, it's still not enough. 14 600 seconds = 243,333 minutes = 4,05 hours So Naruto would still need more than 4 hours to kill an average human with the lifespan drain hax. It was just only useful against Isshiki because he was in the time limit. It's literally useless against anyone else, and let alone Ichigo who easily has hundreds or even thousands years worth of spirit energy. Simply, Ichigo still wins! But a nice try and waiting for your next video.
@@tamaspapp225bro when I debate bleach fan then they said that huco Mundo, soul society and other realms like dangai and Garganta there are universe but I already debunked it I start with huco Mundo Huco Mundo:Claim: Hueco Mundo is infinite which makes it multiversal. Debunk: No where was it stated to be infinite, it was stated to have a endless night and sand but the realm itself was never stated to be infinite whatsoever Now soul society Soul society:Claim: Claim: The Soul Society is a Universal and it’s a infinite realm which makes it multiversal. Debunk: It was never stated to be infinite,We know that the distance Ichibei flew was 1000 Ri or 3927 km I'll be using this distance to scale the Soul king's palace and then Seireitei. From the above scaled scan, the width of the Soul king's palace is 141.8 km. End result: Diameter of Seireitei (scaled) = 1585 km now add that to the diameter(very rough calculation) of soul society around it by(Im taking a huge guess) 10 times and you get=15850 Km or 9848.7334 Miles. So the soul society is earth size (possibly smaller). Claim: Ichigo destroyed Hell and Hell is eternal, eternal means infinite, Hell is also a realm and a universal construct so Ichigo is universal to multiversal Debunk: Hell isn’t a universal construct, people get that implication from Dragon Ball where Hell is universal so they think it’s implied to every other anime which isn’t the case, eternal has no beginning or end, infinite has a beginning but no end, eternal and infinite aren’t the same thing, eternal refers to time while infinite refers to anything. Hell is eternal but not infinite, Hell is mostly a planet level construct, also Ichigo never destroyed Hell, it was stated multiple times he destroyed the Gate and the Chains of Hell… he really destroyed Hell then Why was Rukia, Renji, and Uryu not dead, why are they still in Hell, in fact, why is hell still there? Because he never completely destroyed Hell, he most likely destroyed a layer of hell or maybe a 1/4 of it which would be multi continental level. Claim: Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta and Ichigo scales to him Debunk: Ganju stated that but he didn’t know what he was talking about, Yhwach was only going to destroy The Living World, Hueco Mundo, and The Soul Society which are all planet sized which is multi-planetary…Claim: The Soul King dead will be the collapse of the universe Debunk: It was stated the fight between the shinagami and quincy will be the collapse of the universe meaning it will cause all types of destruction but that still ain’t universal level. In Conclusion: In my perspectives and opinion, Nobody in Bleach is universal and they never were close, maybe the soul king has a better chance but otherwise then that, Bleach characters aren’t universal. Bleach fanboys need to accept the truth and move on. .The Soul King dead will be the collapse of the universe Debunk: It was stated the fight between the shinagami and quincy will be the collapse of the universe meaning it will cause all types of destruction but that still ain’t universal level. In Conclusion: In my perspectives and opinion, Nobody in Bleach is universal and they never were close, maybe the soul king has a better chance but otherwise then that, Bleach characters aren’t universal. Bleach fanboys need to accept the truth and move on. .
You need to do more research. Ichigo regained his Quincy power that yhwach stole. His can switch his zanpakuto into dual or single blade with his choice. Kubo already said that in Club outside Q&A.
@@Archaoen0 If it's shown in the series then that's even all the more reason you should be able to explain it to me no? Maybe I just don't understand, so please enlightenment me.
I don't know why people are still ignoring how base ichigo literally tanked the spiritual pressure of his cosmology for his soul king candidacy. That alone says how stupidly broke he is.
@TUCKALMIGHTY in the Burn The Witch spinoff, they refrence Dragon Ball Z, and Shonen Jump exist in the Bleach world, not to mention Stars exist in Soul Society, and Gremmy created space inside the Seireitei, which confirmed by kubo in the manga to not only host planets, but Stars and even potentially a galaxy, How can characters in Bleach know about these concepts if they don't exist in the world? Kinda like Undead Unluck (Spoilers for episode 10) in the show, when a character complets a quest, they not only alter the planet, but the entire universe as well, Episodes 1 to 9 you can see the sky at night is really dark like it's pitch black, by Episode 10, the characters fails a quest and as punishment a galaxy is born, then the sky is bright and filled with stars, just like our world, So if the Bleach are not universal, how would they know what Stars and galaxies are? How would Dragon Ball Z, a show about characters destroying universes and galaxies, exist if universes and galaxies are concepts that don't exist In Bleach? This debate always baffles me when it's brought up, like why is it even a debate?
I don’t have any contention with Bleach being Uni+ (to me it’s second most believable meta) I just don’t understand what validates Bleach, and not Naruto. When Kaguya’s dimensions are shown to have stars, and large quantities of space within them as well.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThe main reason is that Kaguya’s dimension have zero quantifiable evidence for uni. Muti-Solar system is valid but to argue uni based on what we have is shaky. Bleach has a much better and more consistent argument. But Ulitmate it really just comes down to what standard of scalinv you are using.
@@Crowology_777 momoshiki own dimension contains a redshift nebula which gives the evidence for uni(possibility). But both of these Fandoms relies highly on vague statements. They don't have any solid statements to explain their cosmology properly and biased Fans on both sides use too much headcanon and assumption to wank their fav characters.
Brother telling that UI GOKU can't destroy universes just because kamehameha didn't destroy planets is utterly dumb. Anime didn't show such details but telling it doesn't exist is ignorance. You can argue about Yuwhach slightly over kaguya but fused momoshiki is definitely over that level But to say bleach has the most hax and that would keep the battle close
@@somanandi6336 Kaguya created several dimensions of unquantifiable sizes that overall counts as a universe a singular one do to time-space statement Base Ywach without almighty is stronger than 4 of squad zero that if all combined can destroy the bleach verse just by transforming no hax just power flex He's still weaker to Ichibe and surpassed him after gaining Almighty turned it off and got even more powerful with Soul king still got more powerful with with Almighty on again then gets even more powerful by absorbing the sternwriters and Ichigo's power only to be seriously challenged and outright embarrassed by Horn of Salvation if it weren't for his time hax he wouldn't have survived Bankai literally scared him so bad he didn't want the smoke to clarify bleach has multiple dimensions as well the main ones are either stated as infinite or stated as a universe and has multiple sub dimensions like Muken and multiple valley of screams that are all infinite All worlds contained within an infinitely large void the Garganta 4 squad zero members each one can affect all worlds just by flexing their power all 4 transforming destroys the verse making Ywach and Ichigo leagues above universal+
@@4nero_Dem0n1c kaguya dimensions stated to be parallel dimension it means it is a Universe... because parallel dimension are mirrored dimension of Naruto universe
Ichigo was appearing at multiple places at once when using his fake bankai early in the series. That alone is quicker than light since light partiles cant be at multiple places at once.
@@MrLoops-dq9xt Multiple after images where they are solid and take up multiple places disconnected from each other is 100% faster than light. I would agree if the after image followed him directly and looked like a blur but that's not what Ichigo did vs Byakua, he had full body after images that were yards away from each other at least.
@@alexfielding7191 Prove that it's faster than light, all your doing is stating it. Just because there are multiple of them doesn't make it light speed. Also it does look like a blur in the manga and they do follow him so what are you talking about??
Bro this shouldn't be dabate Ichigo slams Naruto And you compared Kaguya to Yuwach and Yuwach way more stronger than Kaguya not becase of physecal ability he has almaity he can change future it self and ichigo should take speed bro I chigoes main ability is his speed
You forgot that ichigo was able to cut the chain of hell in his base shikai form and no one expect for the swt like kenpachi aizen etc could broke chain of hell
@kennysuniverse9746 bro Yhwach was fusing three universes of the same size as the real one together. Kaguya did nothing close to that. And please don't bring her dimensions here. They are not universes and are the size of solar system if we highball it. Even Gremmy created a space that had a galaxy cluster inside it.
The fact that people usually use teen ichigo for battles and scaling...... and everything he's done was in his teens..... Imagine how strong adult ichigo is
Bruuh senna ,yukio and gremmy could casually created dimensons with stars and galaxies on panel and ichigo upscales from them many times over. Kaguya needed IT chakra just to nuke one dimension with no stars. Senjumura legit 3 universes without trying and shes fodder. Naruto has no chance
honestly any character would fare well vs Kaguya. Do you really think that Naruto can defeat Yuha it took 4 broken abliltes in bleach to kill Yuha hax that Naruto doesn't have
Ichigo's sword affects the soul of his opponent, he is using reatsu that affects the soul directly. This isn't just the strength of their abilities but the difference in thier power system, just the fact that in naruto shinobis can't see the shinigami of reaper death seal until they are already at death's grasp (literally) made it so that ichigo in his shinigami form is already impossible to touch(due to naruto's lack of reatsu), impossible to see (due to naruto canon), every single strike from ichigo is impossible to heal( still due to canon). Its like naruto fighting a obito who is always in his untouchable state but can still touch naruto without leaving the untouchable state, invisible in true sense, and all his attacks cannot be healed or regenerated. How in hagoromo's shiny cheeks does he fight ichigo? If poeple remove the difference in thier power systems that just destroys the point of them fighting.
I mean, to be fair to Ichigo, he doesn’t scale ‘to’ Yhwach, he scales far above him. An injured, nerfed True Bankai Ichigo was able to one shot Yhwach with both a Getsuga and a regular slash (Yhwach lost his Quincy powers from the Arrow, he didn’t lose the stats he got from absorbing the Soul King, Mimihagi and everyone else, so his durability scales) Ichigo still has a Horn of Salvation level amp (should be a comparable or larger amp to True Bankai Ichigo than Full Hollow was to Masked Bankai Ichigo). Full Power Bankai Maskes Ichigo was relative to Base Ulq and weaker than R1 Ulq. With two 10x amps for Ulq’s R1 and R2, Ulq should be around 100x Bankai Masked Ichigo. Full Hollow Ichigo with a less than 50% Shihakusho was able to overpower Ulq’s Lanza with his bare hand. Lanza being over GRC which is over Cero Oscuras which is 10x R2 Ulq’s normal AP. So Full Power Full Hollow Ichigo (2x or higher) > 50% or lower Full Hollow Ichigo >>> Lanza (over 10x) > R2 Ulq (10x) > R1 Ulq (10x) Base Ulq ~ 100% Bankai Masked Ichigo (10x) > Bankai Ichigo) Without calc stacking and just using straight up canon multipliers, that’s over 20,000x power amp. If we only scale it off the low end for Bankai with 5x and not 10x, then it’s an over 10,000x power amp. Horn of Salvation being either a mastered or superior version of the Full Hollow form so if should scale to that level of amp from True Bankai Ichigo. Or you can divide a 10x or 5x if you believe Ichigo absorbing his Fullbring covers for his hollow mask amp already and that his True Bankai w/ the Fullbring absorbed would = the Masked Bankai, relatively speaking. Getsuga Tensho can damage people Ichigo’s physical AP can’t scratch (his physical AP is already one shot levels above the strongest form of SK Yhwach minus Blut Vene as his Quincy powers were off), and Ichigo can stack a Gran Rey Cero into his Getsuga, with GRC being the ‘ultimate cero’ making it superior to the Cero Oscuras which is an ‘order of magnitude’ (aka at least 10x) stronger than your regular AP output. So no joke, that single attack can be a where from as low as a 2000x AP amp to as high as a 100,000x AP amp from Ichigo’s True Bankai state which is already one shot levels above Yhwach’s power which scales to Kaguya’s if we don’t go in depth on who’s scaling is actually superior
@@bonzoluvNgl, they really don’t seem impressive compared to Soul King Yhwach plus as the commenter above said, Ichigo was heavily nerfed (drained of his powers, tired etc) and still one-shot Yhwach
@@bonzoluv and? and as the other guy said both including Naruto aren't really impressive compared to Ywach Heck base regular Ywach without almighty is more impressive as he's above Squad zero except Ichibe. the 4 members of squad zero can just go bankai at the same time and just delete the bleach verse with the majority of the worlds being infinite size or outright universe that's just transforming no usage of power whatsoever and they weaker than Ichibe and Ywach surpassed him he got stronger with Soul king buff + almighty + absorbing high sternwriters and Ichigo with 1/3 of his power and heavily exhausted killed him twice And adult Ichigo had 12 years of experience and growth remember bro literally gets stronger just by existing
@@4nero_Dem0n1c if we're going down that route then I can also mention how Kaguya easily created universes, Momoshiki drains them. And if I reeaaallly wanna pudh it. Momoshiki says he can drain an infinite amount but never does, probably implying its pointless.
Ichigo is stronger than naruto and we all know that Ichigo fought yuha Naruto fought kaguya Ichigo scales far beyond naruto This video adds nothing to the vs discussion
@@TUCKALMIGHTY any Naruto villain don't even come close to SK Ywach level and no it's not because of hax. Some are base regular Ywach at best the closest their verse gets is Shibai who's completely featless yeah Adult Naruto is now leagues above Kaguya but what does it matter Ichigo in the past without knowledge and his power and growth held back was getting stronger just by existing and very short training and experience boost his power to ridiculous levels he now has knowledge control and full potential unlocked he still regularly gains experience by doing shinigami work daily and been doing since 12 years
Are we talking adults naruto now cause if where having that discussion then naruto is nerft cause he lost kiruama which was one of the main things that made hem strong not saying that he is weak with out it but with out kirama he is weak he can’t us sage mode with out the frogs and he can’t use tailed beast mode any more
yhwach = kaguya is personali ofencive. you are using a kaguya feat that is equal to yukio, the fullbringer that created multiple "dimencions" for his pals to fight the soul reapers to wank her to universal. yhwach was threatening the REAL cosmology of the verse, not some hax created dimention. if otsuktsukis were universal level, and a threat to the REAL universe, they wudn't have de need to harvest mere planests for power.
Bro said bleach realm=kagyua realm without any proof and scaling. adult naruto lost kuruma, bro didn't even mentioned that. I litterally scaled ichigo better than him, The cfyow are canon stated by kubo. and cfyow explains a lot about TYBW incidents and help power scale.
Funny thing is not one dimension in naruto/boruto has any size feat all they see is a sun so it's a solar system level dimension. Even in novels they don't have a solid universe kanji( uchu) instead it's always sekai( society/world/universe). Not the same for bleach where their are many infinite realms and uchu kanji in novels😂.
I'm sorry this shouldn't even be a debate as this is like saying a saibaman(Naruto) can compete or even beat True Ultra Instinct Goku(Ichigo). For one I love Naruto but he gets absolutely obliterated in this fight. Ichigo has fought and even gave Aizen(Hogyoku) a run for his money who is a transcendent being(Multiple dimensions higher than 3D) who can casually destroy mountains with a simple swing of his sword, but you may be saying "yeah so what people in Naruto can do that too!". Yeah no, Aizen(Hogyoku) was not simply "Destroying" the mountains but rather completely erasing them from existence with a normal swing of his sword. Not to mention in order for Ichigo to be beaten by Yhwach he had to use the "All Mighty" which allows him to see and possibly alter the future. On top of this Ichigo can pretty much draw power from any race ever shown in the show do to him being a hybrid of every single spirit race. On top of this he is able comparable to Yamamoto's Shikai & Bankai and they burn at 50 million degrees and you may be asking "how does he compare?". Well simply put Yamamoto using his Shikai or Bankai is only a little bit stronger or comparable to base Yhwach, and Ichigo was able to keep up and it at points surpass a Yhwach that got his base power amped ALOT from absorbing the Soul King & a way weaker version of this Yhwach was able to beat Yamamoto. Here are some more of Ichigo's feats -> Destroyed a dimension the size of Karakura town just by transforming into Bankai, Vaporizes and entire ocean by simply lifting his sword, Destroyed an entire condensed Solar System by going Bankai in his fight with Ginjo, Killed the Soul King while in Shikai who's power was holding the entire Bleach verse together(reality) as well as realms like Seireitei & Heuco Mundo which are state by guide as well as data books to be infinite in size, Casually one shotted Fullbring Yukio who can create realms of varying sizes(biggest known to have a star), Ichigo in his Vasto Lorde(VL) form destroyed 3 floors of hell which is confirmed to be a layered multiverse realm which is backed by Kubo’s Hell Verse manga and databooks, his Skull Clad form one shotted Kokuto who easily blocked the same cero from VL Ichigo that destroyed the previously mentioned 3 floors of hell, Survived Aizen's(Hogyoku) Hado #90 which had enough gravity to warp time & space. Im up to debate anyone who doesn't agree with the proof i've provided.
If I remember correctly, this is 100% true! However it’s never shown in the manga, nor is it explained if that dual version is the exact same, after losing his Quincy powers. If you think it is? Then you can refer to what I mentioned about it at the end of the video. It’s absolutely possible that Ichigo got his powers back.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwait how are you going to say that bcus Ichigo didn't show it on panel he didn't get his Quincy powers back when Kubo is the Final Say So on what is and isn't?
Kubo is the person who actually created Bleach, and Ichigo? So even if he himself hasn't drawn it on to page yet. If he tells us something is true? For the most part, we should believe it. Just my thoughts though. Being a manga purist is equally valid IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY yes Tite Kubo is the person who created Bleach and Ichigo. Just like any creator of something they have the Final Say So on what's going on and isn't even if they haven't put it in the material yet. For example he was asked a while back on his Clubhouse (which is still a thing) when Zangetsu tried to tell Ichigo his name was Yhwach on manga panel it was just a Black Box with no Sound did Ichibei cause for that to happen and Kubo said Yes even though Ichibei wasn't created yet. The same situation happened when Kubo was asked when Aizen revealed what he was doing and monologuing about something Soul King related he looked down at Ukitake did that mean that Aizen knew that Ukitake had Mimihagi and Kubo said Yes. There are multiple examples of Kubo doing this despite said things/characters don't yet exist or pop up on screen yet
U’ve got lots of info wrong or misvalued, and some missing info. 1 aspect u of both series u didn’t mention is that in naruto most fights r won by using some kind of hax, but using brute force and speed to make it land. While in bleach most fights r won thru brute force sometimes accompanied by or facilitated by hax. In naruto if u get hit by a powerful enuf ability ur fucked. While in bleach if an ability works on u, then ur just not strong enuf bud. Also a lot but not all feats in naruto r done using hax, not strength or abilities like rasengan. While in bleach most feats r from strength, spiritual pressure, or merely existing with said spiritual pressure, and not so much hax. It’s like the potency of chakra in naruto is very weak, making the skilled use of it in high lv jutsu so valuable that it’s mandatory to be any good. While in bleach, spiritual pressure is so potent that with 10x-20x the spiritual pressure of the user, the users overpowered hax gets negged no problem. Let’s give an ez comparable example of 1 such thing in both series. In naruto the gentle fist style can be used by byakugan users to block or interrupt the chakra network of targets. In the chunin exams neji used his gentle fist to block all of naruto chakra networks making him unable to use jutsu temporarily and making it u comfortable to move. At the time neji was at best wall lv, and after naruto borrowed some of the nine-tails chakra he must have been thousands if not close to a million times stronger then neji was at this point. And with that huge amp naruto was able to brute force the chakra out of his chakra points making him able to freely use it again. On the other hand in the fight against aizen, urahara was able to create a kido that is able to block off the flow of spiritual pressure out of the targets wrists. If a soul reapers spiritual pressure is stopped from flowing out it will build up in the spirit body, causing it to explode. Using the power and will of the hogyoku, aizen was able to increase his spiritual pressure to such an extent that he transformed once again and gained so much spiritual pressure that he blasted the fuck out of the kido blocking his wrists. It is highly likely that this was a 10x power up, like most forms r. As for speed. I wud say it’s very fair to scale naruto to 100xFTL of below. Probably lower bud that’s a Hong ball I guess. On the other hand the 9th espada was able to dodge light. Not a light based attack, actual light. And with each espada having their resurrection be a 10x powerup and each espada being 10x in base more powerful then the previously ranked espada’s release state, and ulquiorra having 2 resurrection and yammy also having 2 but his 1st being likened to a base form in this discussion, this means yammy who fought a weakened (40%) Ichigo is 100 quintillion FTL. So when Ichigo is healed by unohana and he used his hollow mask to try and fight aizen in fake karakura town, he was 2.5 sextillion FTL. As for attack potency. I can’t remember a lot of the feats exactly but I’m pretty sure naruto is star lv maybe more not counting any hax that wud be more potent than his brute force. Each of the 4 squad 0 members r above 3x universal by merely existing, not even trying to do anything. So Ichigo is easily 4x universal just by existing, so god only knows how much he is when trying to destroy or kill. I haven’t seen anything that clearly shows how much of a difference there is between casual unintentional release of spiritual pressure compared to actually trying to destroy things. Is it 10x? 100x? 1,000x?
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And if you’re curious about the whole seeing each other thing. And we just assume it’s not equalized. Then yes. Sage of Six Paths Naruto has some in universe explanations for how he could see Ichigo. 1.) Regular people like Ichigo’s sister could see hollows- despite barely understanding anything spiritual (compared to a ninja, who uses spiritual energy to fight) 2.) SoSP Naruto has canonically been able to use his Sage energy, to sense beings in other dimension- who are invisible to other people (such as Madara’s limbo clones) 3.) If you don’t think either of those fit, then Naruto can canonically sense the emotions of people with Kurama mode. It’s a highly forgotten about ability. But it was used to see through Zetsu disguises, so I imagine he could use it to detect Ichigo’s emotions- to “see” him that way as well.
@TUCKALMIGHTY This was a nice video with a fine analysis. But I have to disagree. The first problem is that you assume that Kaguya and Yhwach is equal. They are not! If we really taking the high end scalings, Yhwach should be far higher above Kaguya. Kaguya can be universal alright, but then Yhwach is far in the multiversal range. Yhwach won't just destroy the World of the living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, but the many Valley of Screams and even the Garganta that encompasing them. Defeating Yhwach who can destroy the Garganta that contains many universal sized separate space-time dimensions, makes Ichigo unquestionably above Kaguya and even Isshiki. The second problem is that the Bayron Mode's life shaving hax is actually incredibly weak. Isshiki had just only 20 hours lifespan left that Naruto shortened it to 5-3 minutes in the end. Let's be very generous and say that Bayron Mode Naruto's every punch drains a day worth of lifespan. To kill a totally normal adult Naruto needs to take away 40 years from them. 40 years = 14 600 days = 14 600 punch So Naruto needs to hit an average human 14 600 times to kill them with Bayron Mode's lifespan drain hax. Even if we just say that Naruto just standing there passively drains 1 day worth of life energy every second, it's still not enough. 14 600 seconds = 243,333 minutes = 4,05 hours So Naruto would still need more than 4 hours to kill an average human with the lifespan drain hax. It was just only useful against Isshiki because he was in the time limit. It's literally useless against anyone else, and let alone Ichigo who easily has hundreds or even thousands years worth of spirit energy. Simply, Ichigo still wins! But a nice try and waiting for your next video.
Baryon mode punches hours off Momoshiki's life span. That is not working on Ichigo who has more than a hours in his soul reaper state. He can fight for weeks/months as a soul.
nobody claims a Cero from a Menos Grande behaves like light-among other stuff missed- the databook says is spiritual light is not even lightspeed.@@TUCKALMIGHTY
That’s fine? I don’t think it’s light speed. It’s just a highball meta some people use. I point that out in the video. Many others claim that spiritual light, and regular light- can be viewed as the same thing. With it being vaguely supported by Uryu dodging his own shadow in Soul Society arc.
it could be, the novels which are canon from multiple source of the author been involved and answering events from the novels instead of refering to the manga version (not that it matters-the anime is the prime canon now since the author himself is writing the story for the anime and in charge of the stafff) is told in the novels that the reishi world (aka spiritual light) existed first, then the real world (real light) was created as a parallel world to it. @@TUCKALMIGHTY
Bleach is objectively the most powerful verse among the Big 3. So much shit said in such a short time, adult Naruto in Barion mode loses to Ichigo from the soul society arc.
Alright dude it is obvious from this video that you do not know how to scale ichigo properly and you do not know how ichigo's power works as a whole, there are multiple things that i disagree with in this video like stating that the bleach novels aren't canon when they are. It's quite obvious that you don't understand ichigo's power at 16:50 where you show to different versions of ichigo, one of them being ichigo with his true zanpakuto (the image on the left) which also isn't totaly canon because it is a image from the game Bleach Brave Souls and there are a lot of original designs there, and you compare true zanpakuto ichigo to ichigo with his fullbring zanpakuto, ichigo's fullbring zanpakuto is his fake zanpakuto which isn't even half as strong as true zanpakuto Ichigo and you then point out the curves of the two zanpakuto and you say taht it doesn't go back to normal stating that Ichigo's fullbring zanpakuto is his normal zanpakuto when it's not.
No, I was just mnetioning it in the conversation. Taking both at their prime (as Adults). I do also mention how the fight would go without Kurama at the end.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Beating Kaguya doesn't mean Naruto has that AP. Kaguya is more like a glass cannon, unless you also want to say at end of the war Sakura is somehow planetary for being able to hurt Kaguya, which is objectively wrong.
Sakura gave Kaguya a little scratch, and her entire gimmick is having higher than usual AP. So no, she doesn't scale to Kaguya from the little bruise she gave Kaguya. As opposed to Naruto, who ripped off her arm- and surpassed her total chakra amount (or AP in this situation) during his fight with Momoshiki. Since Momoshiki was stronger (had more AP) then Kaguya.
Thing is Baryon mode don't really last that long and it's life drain barely worked on someone with only few days of life span Shinigami can live for hundreds to thousands even millions of years based on power level only and as for scaling yeah Kaguya's dimensions can be counted as Uni overall cause of time-space but bleach just has way more to back it as all major dimensions are at least infinite except living world which was still stated as Universe and has distant galaxies then there's Garganta an infinite void of nothingness that contains all worlds Naruto indeed surpassed Kaguya and has achieved higher forms But Kaguya isn't really that comparable to Ywach As bleach scaling goes like this. Squad zeros 4 members if going bankai can destroy all worlds that's there combined power just by transforming and nothing else no attacks nothing making them universal plus at minimum Base Ywach already above them and still weaker than Ichibe who's weaker than Almighty Ywach who should be weaker than base soul king Ywach without almighty who can still get even more stronger once almighty is activated and get more buffs from absorbing the sternwriters Ichigo with 1/3 of his Bankai's power killed him twice yeah the second time they nerf Ywach but you clearly see his power back before getting butchered as for adult Ichigo let's take into account 12 years has passed we have to remember he was getting stronger overtime just by existing experience skyrockets his power and barely training for a day or 2 boost his power to a ridiculous amount and all of that when he didn't even have control or knowledge of his power and his growth was even held back just think about what 12 years would do heck we can go even further if we take Ichigo and Aizen being higher dimensional beings and that wasn't even close to Ichigo's true shikai level as all that was a fraction of Ichigo's true power I mean seriously the soul king was the closest thing to omnipotence in bleach bro created life and death yet a teenager with barely 2 years of experience and short time training matched his power level
Lol lots of false equivalence man kaguya does not=yuha in any stats lol and her dimention feat and his are not the same ........and naruto has never fought any otsuki 1v1 and been able to win he always fights with sasuke while ichigo solos ...yuha was gonna destroy 3 dimentions his durability should scale to ap and ichigo.one shot him with a provided opening yess but he still had the power to one shot a universal + nigga while.being nerfed as u say...lol and in base whivh is consistent since adult ichigo cut hells chains in base which took vasto lorde cero in hell arc...but yall to casual
Kaguya's dimensional feats and Yhwach's are similar enough to scale them the same. And unless bringing Kurama counts as a jumping, then Naruto 1v1'd Toneri? And maybe Isshiki if you just look at the Baryon mode section of the fight. Yhwach was going to destroy three dimensions over time, before losing most of his power by the Still Silver, and getting one shot (although yes, Ichigo was nerfed as well) And yes, Adult Ichigo has feats from the light novel, which I mention as vaguely making him stronger? But there's not too many ways to gauge it- besides putting him above Vasto Lorde- which he's been for awhile, probably even without the Quincy powers. This video was more casual then our usual takes though, so I can definitely agree to that. If you want anything more serious, our longer stuff might be more your speed.
Your Goku v superman video came in my recommended and you said everything that i had in my mind about both characters, subbed, and can you please do a breakdown about Pain vs Shigaraki. i dont know much about pain soo maybe it's in his favour but this match up is soo unique and i havent seen much about this online.
I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the content! And yeah, I'd definitely be happy to cover Pain Vs Shigaraki sometime soon, they're two of my favorite villains in all of Shonen. Plus it's pretty debatable as well, IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYdon't you realize that Ichigo is going to win what's the point of doing this we already know the outcome the only way Naruto will win is that he had to use Shadow clone Jutsu in his hacks abilities in order to give him the dub so just stop wasting everybody's time
@@TUCKALMIGHTYand before you do my hero versus Naruto shigaraki destroys pain simple as that get this shit right stop trying to scale and talk about the abilities that's where it all comes down to
The reason ichigo is concerned is because of The Almighty💀. At that time theres literally no possible way to get past The Almighty. It was a miracle that they were able to kill him in the first place, if yhwach was revived then thered be nothing to seal The Almighty. Ichigo is clearly shown to be powerful enough to kill yhwach, the problem lies in The Almighty, theres just no way to counter it
Thank god there are people who think like me yes ichigo had stats way above yhwach but yhwach's omega bullshit hax was preventing everything from happening.
This, Ichigo scaled above Yhwach and even had him shitting boulders when he whipped out his True Bankai, but the only reason he didn't get annihilated was The Almighty's bullshit hax.
Okay that is False, Ichig was not nerfed what so ever after TYBE, Ichigo regained his stolen powers from Ywach after killing him, he even stole some of Ywachs spiritual energy upon killing him. Ichigo is also stated to be alot stronger after the 10 year time skip and has mastered his abilities. Kubo actually does Q&A's as well as the Light Novels as well. Also TYBW is not the final arc, Kubo himself stated once he has finished directing the TYBW anime he will be continuing the Bleach manga, the next arc is Called "Breathe of Hell". Ichigo was never nerfed after killing Ywach, Ywach stol his power leaving him at 1/3rd of his power an Ichigo still killed him. It took ichigo almost killing him 3 times to finally put Ywach down.
😂 it's because his reaction speed is light speed not his movement speed and believe me early og naruto kishimoto literally stated how guns would be too much in naruto verse.
I was in awe 😂😂😂 i started contemplating life and how this guy left a lot of details about ichigo you noticed when he started talking about ichigo 4min to the end of the video
Very bad and extremely biased video 🤦🏻♂️, anyone with half a braincell would know that any of the top 15 Bleach characters can very casually and easily solo all the naruto verse. It's just simple logic.
how is this a debate? a planetary mofo against a universal+(you can argue that he is low multiversal)chad? feats and statements wise, naruto is dimensions below from ichigo, stats included
I like this video. You broke it down to where feats between the characters doesn't really matter and used basic logic instead of the numbers and math calc plays that lots of debaters spend dozens of hours on for no reason. Fans want to utilize one-off inconsistent statements for their arguments, "universal for me but not for thee" cop out arguments, and other highball wanked arguments to prove why their character is superior but in the end, it doesn't really matter as both characters have pulled off amazing feats and you broke it down in simple ways that just make sense.
You just keep outdoing yourself man! Awesome video, and I agree with pretty much everything here! Imo End of Shippuden Naruto and TYBW Ichigo is a super close, down to the wire fight that would be extreme dif for either side. And with that in mind, Naruto, as you said, gets significantly stronger after that - while we just don't know enough about what Ichigo is capable of to really give him the same benefit of the doubt. Naruto just generally has a more versatile arsenal, better battle intelligence, and experience. So all in all, I agree that Naruto is taking this fight. Amazing video, thank you and your editor (editing was CLEAN) for the video!
no way you said that. ichigo, not even in his adult form one shotted yhwach TWICE. a creature with type 8 immortality, can alter and perceive infinite futures, has more than enough power to crush the whole bleach cosmology, absorbed the being who made the concept of life and death. ichigo one shotting yhwach is a massive feat
@@jielliel Okay? None of those statements put him anywhere above Low Multiversal which you can scale Naruto to with the same leeway. Creating life and death is hax and doesn't scale you anywhere as you cannot prove that those concepts are platonic in the Bleachverse. I agree that one-shotting Yhwach is very impressive, but Naruto swapping hands with and overpowering beings even stronger than Kaguya is just as good as that, if not better.
@@limbo9993 what? even if you lowball tf out of him he still scales higher than naruto in both stats, hax and dimensionality. comparing yhwach to naruto/boruto's villains is crazy, none of them comes close to yhwach in terms of power
Naruto Chapter 689, Kaguya uses the expansive truth seeking orb. Which expands across her entire dimension, and is stated to cause the creation of a new time space.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY is stated to be able to do that but it doesn't because she is stopped just like Yhwach was. You claim in the video that destroyed a dimension.
I mean, Yeah? That’s true? But kind of pedantic. That confirm it would destroy a dimension- just like they confirmed it with Yhwach. It’s only a slip of the tongue on my part. Not anything against what actually happened, regarding the feats & scaling.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY have you seen the Bleach anime? Senjumaru (squad zero) released her blood oath realing their true powers. Her reiatsu (episode card confirmed) travel physically from one world to the other. Her bankai is claimed to shake the heavens and the earth of all 3 worlds. Later is shown that the sky, Soul Society and Earth were having earthquakes. Calculating that feat puts the likes of Senjumaru at Multi-Solar System level and Uryu is fighting her with her bankai when the anime returns in 2023. Yep, we have interview from the author himself talking about working on these scenes in the anime.
my problem with Naruto has always been how they throuw random "lightspeed" moves since early on. First of all, how the hell would they be able to even move at that speed? There's this thing called spagettification in phisycs that states, before even reaching such speed, any kind of matter AKA OUR BODIES will turn into whatever and obviously will fall unconcious way before that. As far as I know Naruto characters are human, aren't they? For bleach I'm not that surprised since they are souls who aren't really affected by phisycs like that. At least not that science has stated yet. This is anime of course, but I gues we need some kind of logic to even begin with, right. Otherwise these vids'd be pointless.
One thing is that, in Naruto speed scaling they fail to understand that Naruto was held by a limbo clone & madara used the attack to cut him since it cuts all things base Naruto wouldve dodged that attack effortlessly if he wasnt held in space not to mention the Mabui teleportation technique which does that at the speed of light to send kages to the battlefield & you need to be faster than the ability to arrive there without death they say
@@MrLoops-dq9xt ture they have many scans of ftl+ then u can get them mftl to mftl+ by many multipliers using calculations Even soul society ichigo was ftl+
@@MrLoops-dq9xtthe multipliers is all we need for that. Ichigo speedblitzes naruto to the oblivion. He gets 5x to 10x with the bankai and hollow mask multipliers and after every arc this becomes his base form example: fullbring ichigo is literally on the level of vasto lorde, and he gets another huge buff from he bankai multiplier, oh and all that its just his fake bankai, in his true shinkai he is at his base on the level or above of dangai ichigo and thats before the horn of salvation and his true bankai that extra buffs all his stats again. Also ichigo was light speed in SS before all the multipliers so he ftl back then and mftl now.
W video but imm say a few things First its stated by Kakashi that Kaguya was not only going to destroy her space-time but every space-time he could travel to with Kamui. Right after he tells them this Naruto says "we have to save the world" and in storm 4 he says "we have to save shinobi history". Its pretty clear that Kaguya was also going to destroy the Earth and the space-time that the Earth resides in as Kakashi said traveling back there wouldn't matter if they didn't stop this attack from expanding. So if Kaguya was gonna destroy all dimensions which are the Kamui dimension, her 6 dimensions, the normal universe and her recreating a dimension after that then she should be at least universal+. Then theres the bleach speed arguments. Its stated in light novels that Candice's reishi lightning is massively slower than actual lightning and Ginjo had a very had time dodging it. Not only does this prove that being made of reishi can make a substance massively slower than its naturally occurring counter part such as reishi bullets are slower than actual bullets or reishi light is slower than actual light but it also proves that these characters just aren't light speed which Gin's bankai should have already proven( Gin lied about whatever he told Aizen not what he told ichigo, the 500x the speed of sound statement is even used in the databooks).
@@TheB3-d4n Oh ok. And regarding the misinformation thing I shall directly cite my source, copy and paste, and explain the text so there can be no possibility of a misunderstanding. Naruto chapter 689 pages 6 and 7. "That's the same as the balls I've got behind me! Except it's way bigger and keeps growing larger and larger! Kamui can't teleport something of that magnitude. Even if we were to run away by teleporting to a space-time dimension... If that thing keeps growing larger at that pace there's no way we'd be able to return. So we've got to stop it. In other words we've got no choice but to seal her real body. We're going to save the world!" Kakashi blatantly says that escaping to another space-time won't matter because the tso will keep growing and reach them no matter what space-time there in. The only option they have is to seal her as again even if they run away it will still get them. They then resolve to save the world as again the tso is going to keep expanding to every space-time until it destroys everything. They wouldn't say "let's save the world" if it wasn't going to destroy Earth. They wouldn't stay and fight if they can just run away from the explosion, Naruto and the kage ran away from Madara's meteors so they have no reason not to run away from an attack, they stayed because they needed to stop the destruction of Earth and thus save the world. Other wise they would not have a world to return to. And for Kaguya to destroy Earth that would mean her tso would keep expanding beyond her space-time dimensions and eventually reach the original universe to destroy Earth as Earth is not in her dimensions. And yes she was going to destroy the entire universe as it says they wont be able to return to the "space-time dimension" not just a portion of space-time but the entire dimension. Now that I've explained this there should be no room for confusion. If you think I'm wrong then actually prove it and don't just say "your wrong". Give me actual feedback.
@@yashmehta4087Bro seriously it's his opinion and you have your own opinion at least respect his opinion see you like ichigo he likes Naruto some random guy like luffy what's wrong with that🤦🤦 and that's not being biased also their won't be people who has the same tastes/likes as you do.
Question, I know it sounds cool, but why do we freak over the “warping space around him” statement? I only mean this with scaling. But have you noticed we bring it up but no one ever calcs it? It’s because it’s not impressive to warp space around something. So you have to try and calculate the speed through something like chain or pixel scaling, but it’s not like when someone says they can destroy X and scalers say “it would take so and so amounts of energy to”. Idk why it bugs me but it does. I could make an argument for either of these two winning, but I can make better and more consistent points for ichigo. In a lot of interpretation they aren’t even in the same realm of power. It all depends on who is scaling them. But in alot of goo arguments based off feats and statements, bleach scales in dimensions while naruto scales in celestial bodies/ a universe.
So, literal light that disintegrates stuff (cero) can't be the speed of light because a balla, a faster version of the light that disintegrates stuff, is faster..... tf.
Ngl I dont know If I fully agree with this, but one thing that this video helped me realize is that I think most of people (including myself) are stuck on the common knowledge that ichigo is the strongest of the big 3 by far... Like I know almost nothing about ichigo but even after the feats you gave him it still felt weird for me, I think if you asked me to give an answer to this debate before watching the video, I wouod have sayd with no doubth that ichigo stomps, and I think the majority of people that, like me, know little to nothing about ichigo's scaling would have answered the same thing... So yeah I think we dont really see this debate because we established that ichigo is far superior and there is no debate on that. Not saying you are correct (I dont have the knowledge in power scaling to say that) but I would for sure like other people to give they're opinion on this topic👍
Bro no way the bleach living universe is infinite and yhwach was gonna destroy all of it plus the solar society which is galactic sized and the hell dimension which is infinite where as Naruto at best is scaled to the dimensions which only house a sun,moon and planet being multi solar system ichigo is easily multiversal where as Naruto is slar system level
Ichigo didn't lose his HoS, huh? His blade isn't weirdly changed, he just chooses it to look like that, as confirmed by Tite Kubo. The last part about Ichigo was just incorrect and in contrast with the source material, you should probably re-read the last part of Bleach. Also there is no logic reason for him to become weaker in hell arc, on the contrary he probably attained a better mastery of his powers, and also he casually cuts the chains of hell in shikai while Renji, a captain+ level character can't even nick, therefore Ichigo killing the ghoul isn't the biggest feat there.
and its actually stated to be canon when yama said cutting those chains were literally impossible...
Facts, kubo even stated ichigo has mastered his abilities and powers over the 10 years and he still can summon the horn of Salvation, the only reason he needed to absorb some of Ywachs Spiritual energy was cause he had just acquired his true powers and hasnt had time to master them yet.
Basically ichigo was just winging it.
Kubo stated after he finishes up the Last part of the Anime for TYBW that he will start the next arc of the bleach manga "Breathe of Hell".
He has alot of surprises with Ichigo and that Ichigo is Still the Main character while Kazui is a Side Main Character, kinda like How Naruto and Boruto was supposed to be before Kishimoto decided to make Boruto the main character and Naruto a Side Main character.
It is hinted that ichigo has mastered Blut as in Blut Vene, Blut Arterie and even the more powerful version of Blut vene wich Both Ywach and Misaki used.
Ichigo did absorb some more of Ywachs power after killing Ywach so i bet his Quincy half is enhanced kinda like how his hollow side evolved to Vasto Lorde.
"no logic reason" is a bit too much. he simple not training because of there was no need/incentive is a perfectly logical reason. of course, we don't know if he did or not so it's all headcanon for now.
@@jonathacirilo5745 actually Kubo did state in a Q&A that he did keep training and has mastered his abilities
@@Thunor93 he did? can you give me a link?
This guy took am a naruto fanboy to another level😂
He’s definitely not a fanboy, he has a good few things he’s wrong about with both bleach and Naruto
Baryon mode: "get your protagonist powers back for 5 minutes, side effects may vary"😂
Totally accurate
Damn i rlly wasted my time
No seriously 😂
Yuha being = to kaguya is nuts
Keep in mind that I’m mainly just talking about stats for those two in this video.
So things like The ALMIGHTY or Kaguya’s powers- aren’t really being taken in to account here. I just think their AP is pretty similar.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY not really Ywach raw power alone no hax can destroy all worlds most of which are stated infinite or blatant universe including an infinitely large void that contains all worlds
while Kaguya's at bare minimum universal at best due to time-space statement
Kaguya is still way below Ichibe who's stronger than the rest of squad zero that combined can destroy all worlds she's Ichibe is weaker than Almighty Ywach
still bellow base soul king Ywach who's below Horn of Salvation
they are not close not even remotely
@@4nero_Dem0n1c kaguya is low multiversal because of her dimension stated to be parallel dimension and parallel dimension=parallel universe (search it on internet yourself what is parallel dimension is) and kaguyas can destroy/recreate all of his 6 dimension....
@@cjmatrix7366 parallel dimensions aren't universes they just separate pockets of space with unquantifiable sizes till proven otherwise at bare minimum they solar system but the mention of time-space does infact grant all of Kaguya's dimensions to be overall a universe but saying all of them is a universe on their own is downright wank and blatant ignorance a separate dimension does not mean universe your confusing things
By that logic I can say bleach is hyperversal since way weaker characters can create dimensions of their own not to mention the number of separate dimensions with a lot being infinite in size appearing or mentioned in bleach (I do not agree to this btw)
Scaling does not work that way your just confusing names
@@4nero_Dem0n1c Bro literally 🤦... No one is saying dimension equals the universe but "parallel dimensions" are because parallel dimension is mirrored dimension of Naruto universe
👇 Literally from wikipedia
(parallel universe in fiction, also known as an alternate universe, parallel world, parallel dimension, or alternate reality, is a hypothetical self-contained plane of existence, co-existing with one's own. The sum of all potential parallel universes that constitute reality is often called a "multiverse".)
Also the Momoshiki dimension is shown to have countless stars (just watch Momoshiki and Kinshiki appearance)
And both kaguya dimensions stated to have its own space time and Momoshiki dimension stated to be hyperspace and every context is saying it is universe....
Ichigo didn't permanently lose his Quincy power, Ichigo partially merged with Zangetsu (the sheath/white shell of Tensa Zangetsu) to regain the Quincy and Hollow powers Yhwach had taken. CFYOW already mentioned Ichigo fully recovered after his fight with Yhwach, Kubo later revealed the details of Ichigo merging with his Hollow and Quincy powers on Klub Outside.
You really think people who scale ichigo has ever actually done research😂
Cfyow confirms he didnt lose his quincy or hollow powers. It returned
I mention this in the video. I’m saying that if you don’t trust the novels or author statements on their own. Ichigo could be nerfed.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY If not that theres also Kubo statements in klub kubo in which he says that Ichigo can still switch to his duel form which would make no sense if he lost his quincy powers as his quincy powers form one of his swords.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThis was a nice video with a fine analysis. But I have to disagree.
The first problem is that you assume that Kaguya and Yhwach is equal. They are not!
If we really taking the high end scalings, Yhwach should be far higher above Kaguya.
Kaguya can be universal alright, but then Yhwach is far in the multiversal range.
Yhwach won't just destroy the World of the living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, but the many Valley of Screams and even the Garganta that encompasing them.
Defeating Yhwach who can destroy the Garganta that contains many universal sized separate space-time dimensions, makes Ichigo unquestionably above Kaguya and even Isshiki.
The second problem is that the Bayron Mode's life shaving hax is actually incredibly weak.
Isshiki had just only 20 hours lifespan left that Naruto shortened it to 5-3 minutes in the end.
Let's be very generous and say that Bayron Mode Naruto's every punch drains a day worth of lifespan. To kill a totally normal adult Naruto needs to take away 40 years from them.
40 years = 14 600 days = 14 600 punch
So Naruto needs to hit an average human 14 600 times to kill them with Bayron Mode's lifespan drain hax.
Even if we just say that Naruto just standing there passively drains 1 day worth of life energy every second, it's still not enough.
14 600 seconds = 243,333 minutes = 4,05 hours
So Naruto would still need more than 4 hours to kill an average human with the lifespan drain hax.
It was just only useful against Isshiki because he was in the time limit. It's literally useless against anyone else, and let alone Ichigo who easily has hundreds or even thousands years worth of spirit energy.
Simply, Ichigo still wins! But a nice try and waiting for your next video.
@@Xero_117man is blatantly ignoring the authors words itself😂
@@tamaspapp225bro when I debate bleach fan then they said that huco Mundo, soul society and other realms like dangai and Garganta there are universe but I already debunked it
I start with huco Mundo
Huco Mundo:Claim: Hueco Mundo is infinite which makes it multiversal.
Debunk: No where was it stated to be infinite, it was stated to have a endless night and sand but the realm itself was never stated to be infinite whatsoever
Now soul society
Soul society:Claim: Claim: The Soul Society is a Universal and it’s a infinite realm which makes it multiversal.
Debunk: It was never stated to be infinite,We know that the distance Ichibei flew was 1000 Ri or 3927 km
I'll be using this distance to scale the Soul king's palace and then Seireitei.
From the above scaled scan, the width of the Soul king's palace is 141.8 km.
End result: Diameter of Seireitei (scaled) = 1585 km
now add that to the diameter(very rough calculation) of soul society around it by(Im taking a huge guess) 10 times and you get=15850 Km or 9848.7334 Miles. So the soul society is earth size (possibly smaller).
Claim: Ichigo destroyed Hell and Hell is eternal, eternal means infinite, Hell is also a realm and a universal construct so Ichigo is universal to multiversal
Debunk: Hell isn’t a universal construct, people get that implication from Dragon Ball where Hell is universal so they think it’s implied to every other anime which isn’t the case, eternal has no beginning or end, infinite has a beginning but no end, eternal and infinite aren’t the same thing, eternal refers to time while infinite refers to anything. Hell is eternal but not infinite, Hell is mostly a planet level construct, also Ichigo never destroyed Hell, it was stated multiple times he destroyed the Gate and the Chains of Hell…
he really destroyed Hell then Why was Rukia, Renji, and Uryu not dead, why are they still in Hell, in fact, why is hell still there? Because he never completely destroyed Hell, he most likely destroyed a layer of hell or maybe a 1/4 of it which would be multi continental level.
Claim: Yhwach was going to destroy the garganta and Ichigo scales to him
Debunk: Ganju stated that but he didn’t know what he was talking about, Yhwach was only going to destroy The Living World, Hueco Mundo, and The Soul Society which are all planet sized which is multi-planetary…Claim: The Soul King dead will be the collapse of the universe
Debunk: It was stated the fight between the shinagami and quincy will be the collapse of the universe meaning it will cause all types of destruction but that still ain’t universal level.
In Conclusion: In my perspectives and opinion, Nobody in Bleach is universal and they never were close, maybe the soul king has a better chance but otherwise then that, Bleach characters aren’t universal. Bleach fanboys need to accept the truth and move on.
.The Soul King dead will be the collapse of the universe
Debunk: It was stated the fight between the shinagami and quincy will be the collapse of the universe meaning it will cause all types of destruction but that still ain’t universal level.
In Conclusion: In my perspectives and opinion, Nobody in Bleach is universal and they never were close, maybe the soul king has a better chance but otherwise then that, Bleach characters aren’t universal. Bleach fanboys need to accept the truth and move on.
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You need to do more research. Ichigo regained his Quincy power that yhwach stole.
His can switch his zanpakuto into dual or single blade with his choice.
Kubo already said that in Club outside Q&A.
Kaguya being equal to Yhwach is literally insane. The arguments for universal Bleach and universal Naruto aren't even remotely comparable.
True, the universal arguments for bleach are horrible.
@@MrLoops-dq9xtok kiddo 😂
@@Archaoen0 If you think I'm wrong then give me one valid universal argument.
@@MrLoops-dq9xt arguing with you is pointless, if you don't realize it by reading the series itself, then why should i even bother showing you ?
@@Archaoen0 If it's shown in the series then that's even all the more reason you should be able to explain it to me no? Maybe I just don't understand, so please enlightenment me.
Naruto needed years of training in canon to get to his level.
Ichigo was only an active Shinigami for less than 2.
This tells me all I need.
I don't know why people are still ignoring how base ichigo literally tanked the spiritual pressure of his cosmology for his soul king candidacy. That alone says how stupidly broke he is.
@@mufeezsyed2664And the fact that Squad 0 can affect three universes with ONE Bankai, and the bankai that displayed this was made for SEALING.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 her bankai has both sealing and fate manipulation.
Kaguya's dimension is not universal, and ichigo out class several Bleach characters who can destroy universal realms.
If Kaguya’s dimension isn’t universal? Why should the Bleach realms be considered universal?
@TUCKALMIGHTY in the Burn The Witch spinoff, they refrence Dragon Ball Z, and Shonen Jump exist in the Bleach world, not to mention Stars exist in Soul Society, and Gremmy created space inside the Seireitei, which confirmed by kubo in the manga to not only host planets, but Stars and even potentially a galaxy,
How can characters in Bleach know about these concepts if they don't exist in the world?
Kinda like Undead Unluck (Spoilers for episode 10) in the show, when a character complets a quest, they not only alter the planet, but the entire universe as well, Episodes 1 to 9 you can see the sky at night is really dark like it's pitch black, by Episode 10, the characters fails a quest and as punishment a galaxy is born, then the sky is bright and filled with stars, just like our world,
So if the Bleach are not universal, how would they know what Stars and galaxies are? How would Dragon Ball Z, a show about characters destroying universes and galaxies, exist if universes and galaxies are concepts that don't exist In Bleach?
This debate always baffles me when it's brought up, like why is it even a debate?
I don’t have any contention with Bleach being Uni+ (to me it’s second most believable meta)
I just don’t understand what validates Bleach, and not Naruto. When Kaguya’s dimensions are shown to have stars, and large quantities of space within them as well.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThe main reason is that Kaguya’s dimension have zero quantifiable evidence for uni. Muti-Solar system is valid but to argue uni based on what we have is shaky. Bleach has a much better and more consistent argument. But Ulitmate it really just comes down to what standard of scalinv you are using.
@@Crowology_777 momoshiki own dimension contains a redshift nebula which gives the evidence for uni(possibility).
But both of these Fandoms relies highly on vague statements. They don't have any solid statements to explain their cosmology properly and biased Fans on both sides use too much headcanon and assumption to wank their fav characters.
Ichigo slams and it's not close how is this still a debate
Brother telling that UI GOKU can't destroy universes just because kamehameha didn't destroy planets is utterly dumb.
Anime didn't show such details but telling it doesn't exist is ignorance.
You can argue about Yuwhach slightly over kaguya but fused momoshiki is definitely over that level
But to say bleach has the most hax and that would keep the battle close
@@somanandi6336 Kaguya created several dimensions of unquantifiable sizes that overall counts as a universe a singular one do to time-space statement
Base Ywach without almighty is stronger than 4 of squad zero that if all combined can destroy the bleach verse just by transforming no hax just power flex
He's still weaker to Ichibe and surpassed him after gaining Almighty turned it off and got even more powerful with Soul king still got more powerful with with Almighty on again then gets even more powerful by absorbing the sternwriters and Ichigo's power
only to be seriously challenged and outright embarrassed by Horn of Salvation if it weren't for his time hax he wouldn't have survived
Bankai literally scared him so bad he didn't want the smoke
to clarify bleach has multiple dimensions as well the main ones are either stated as infinite or stated as a universe and has multiple sub dimensions like Muken and multiple valley of screams that are all infinite
All worlds contained within an infinitely large void the Garganta
4 squad zero members each one can affect all worlds just by flexing their power all 4 transforming destroys the verse making Ywach and Ichigo leagues above universal+
@@4nero_Dem0n1c kaguya dimensions stated to be parallel dimension it means it is a Universe... because parallel dimension are mirrored dimension of Naruto universe
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@@cjmatrix7366bro ichigo is 4d which means universal+
Ichigo was appearing at multiple places at once when using his fake bankai early in the series. That alone is quicker than light since light partiles cant be at multiple places at once.
No its not
@@MrLoops-dq9xt Yes it is.
@@alexfielding7191 After images are not light speed
@@MrLoops-dq9xt Multiple after images where they are solid and take up multiple places disconnected from each other is 100% faster than light. I would agree if the after image followed him directly and looked like a blur but that's not what Ichigo did vs Byakua, he had full body after images that were yards away from each other at least.
@@alexfielding7191 Prove that it's faster than light, all your doing is stating it. Just because there are multiple of them doesn't make it light speed. Also it does look like a blur in the manga and they do follow him so what are you talking about??
Bro this shouldn't be dabate Ichigo slams Naruto
And you compared Kaguya to Yuwach and Yuwach way more stronger than Kaguya not becase of physecal ability he has almaity he can change future it self and ichigo should take speed bro I chigoes main ability is his speed
You forgot that ichigo was able to cut the chain of hell in his base shikai form and no one expect for the swt like kenpachi aizen etc could broke chain of hell
Lol this is probably the shittest breakdown i've ever seen Ichigo slams especially current naruto
Bro absolutely highballed Naruto and lowballed Ichigo. And saying Kaguya=Yhwach is absolutely horrendous.
No it isnt, he provided proof of their feats, you provided nothing and complained Your comment is the horrendous one
@kennysuniverse9746 bro Yhwach was fusing three universes of the same size as the real one together. Kaguya did nothing close to that. And please don't bring her dimensions here. They are not universes and are the size of solar system if we highball it. Even Gremmy created a space that had a galaxy cluster inside it.
@@shingardhaliwal960and gremmy isn't even among the shuutstaful
@@lilfeccibraemusic what is shuutstaful?
@@lilfeccibraemusic bruh u spell it wrong
The bleach verse was upscaled dramatically in the anime adaptation that naturally would upscale yhwach and ichigo
The fact that people usually use teen ichigo for battles and scaling...... and everything he's done was in his teens..... Imagine how strong adult ichigo is
Cuz white vs the 9 tails isn't even close! White would violate the 9 tails
I'm pretty sure this comment is accurate. White should scale to Ichigo, Kurama does not scale to Naruto.
Bruuh senna ,yukio and gremmy could casually created dimensons with stars and galaxies on panel and ichigo upscales from them many times over. Kaguya needed IT chakra just to nuke one dimension with no stars. Senjumura legit 3 universes without trying and shes fodder. Naruto has no chance
honestly any character would fare well vs Kaguya. Do you really think that Naruto can defeat Yuha it took 4 broken abliltes in bleach to kill Yuha hax that Naruto doesn't have
yeah and need deus ex machina to kill yhwach
Ichigo's sword affects the soul of his opponent, he is using reatsu that affects the soul directly. This isn't just the strength of their abilities but the difference in thier power system, just the fact that in naruto shinobis can't see the shinigami of reaper death seal until they are already at death's grasp (literally) made it so that ichigo in his shinigami form is already impossible to touch(due to naruto's lack of reatsu), impossible to see (due to naruto canon), every single strike from ichigo is impossible to heal( still due to canon). Its like naruto fighting a obito who is always in his untouchable state but can still touch naruto without leaving the untouchable state, invisible in true sense, and all his attacks cannot be healed or regenerated. How in hagoromo's shiny cheeks does he fight ichigo? If poeple remove the difference in thier power systems that just destroys the point of them fighting.
I mean, to be fair to Ichigo, he doesn’t scale ‘to’ Yhwach, he scales far above him. An injured, nerfed True Bankai Ichigo was able to one shot Yhwach with both a Getsuga and a regular slash (Yhwach lost his Quincy powers from the Arrow, he didn’t lose the stats he got from absorbing the Soul King, Mimihagi and everyone else, so his durability scales)
Ichigo still has a Horn of Salvation level amp (should be a comparable or larger amp to True Bankai Ichigo than Full Hollow was to Masked Bankai Ichigo). Full Power Bankai Maskes Ichigo was relative to Base Ulq and weaker than R1 Ulq. With two 10x amps for Ulq’s R1 and R2, Ulq should be around 100x Bankai Masked Ichigo. Full Hollow Ichigo with a less than 50% Shihakusho was able to overpower Ulq’s Lanza with his bare hand. Lanza being over GRC which is over Cero Oscuras which is 10x R2 Ulq’s normal AP.
So Full Power Full Hollow Ichigo (2x or higher) > 50% or lower Full Hollow Ichigo >>> Lanza (over 10x) > R2 Ulq (10x) > R1 Ulq (10x) Base Ulq ~ 100% Bankai Masked Ichigo (10x) > Bankai Ichigo)
Without calc stacking and just using straight up canon multipliers, that’s over 20,000x power amp. If we only scale it off the low end for Bankai with 5x and not 10x, then it’s an over 10,000x power amp.
Horn of Salvation being either a mastered or superior version of the Full Hollow form so if should scale to that level of amp from True Bankai Ichigo. Or you can divide a 10x or 5x if you believe Ichigo absorbing his Fullbring covers for his hollow mask amp already and that his True Bankai w/ the Fullbring absorbed would = the Masked Bankai, relatively speaking.
Getsuga Tensho can damage people Ichigo’s physical AP can’t scratch (his physical AP is already one shot levels above the strongest form of SK Yhwach minus Blut Vene as his Quincy powers were off), and Ichigo can stack a Gran Rey Cero into his Getsuga, with GRC being the ‘ultimate cero’ making it superior to the Cero Oscuras which is an ‘order of magnitude’ (aka at least 10x) stronger than your regular AP output.
So no joke, that single attack can be a where from as low as a 2000x AP amp to as high as a 100,000x AP amp from Ichigo’s True Bankai state which is already one shot levels above Yhwach’s power which scales to Kaguya’s if we don’t go in depth on who’s scaling is actually superior
Naruto one shots Toneri who is stronger than Kaguya then also proceeds to show superiority to Momoshiki who is even stronger than that.
@@bonzoluvNgl, they really don’t seem impressive compared to Soul King Yhwach plus as the commenter above said, Ichigo was heavily nerfed (drained of his powers, tired etc) and still one-shot Yhwach
@@BlackLotus2077 Naruto wasn't in any form and just coated his hand in kurama chakra. And had another like 8 years of training on top of this
@@bonzoluv and? and as the other guy said both including Naruto aren't really impressive compared to Ywach
Heck base regular Ywach without almighty is more impressive as he's above Squad zero except Ichibe.
the 4 members of squad zero can just go bankai at the same time and just delete the bleach verse with the majority of the worlds being infinite size or outright universe that's just transforming no usage of power whatsoever and they weaker than Ichibe and Ywach surpassed him he got stronger with Soul king buff + almighty + absorbing high sternwriters and Ichigo with 1/3 of his power and heavily exhausted killed him twice
And adult Ichigo had 12 years of experience and growth remember bro literally gets stronger just by existing
@@4nero_Dem0n1c if we're going down that route then I can also mention how Kaguya easily created universes, Momoshiki drains them. And if I reeaaallly wanna pudh it. Momoshiki says he can drain an infinite amount but never does, probably implying its pointless.
Ichigo is stronger than naruto and we all know that
Ichigo fought yuha
Naruto fought kaguya
Ichigo scales far beyond naruto
This video adds nothing to the vs discussion
Have you ever seen another video discussing Adult Naruto Vs Adult Ichigo?
@@TUCKALMIGHTY any Naruto villain don't even come close to SK Ywach level and no it's not because of hax. Some are base regular Ywach at best the closest their verse gets is Shibai who's completely featless yeah Adult Naruto is now leagues above Kaguya but what does it matter
Ichigo in the past without knowledge and his power and growth held back was getting stronger just by existing and very short training and experience boost his power to ridiculous levels
he now has knowledge control and full potential unlocked he still regularly gains experience by doing shinigami work daily and been doing since 12 years
Are we talking adults naruto now cause if where having that discussion then naruto is nerft cause he lost kiruama which was one of the main things that made hem strong not saying that he is weak with out it but with out kirama he is weak he can’t us sage mode with out the frogs and he can’t use tailed beast mode any more
@@lopezitos69 With kuruma anruto is still weaker than ichigo. naruto is max to big star level where ichig is universal+
Nah Naruto wins
This is insane lowball vs highball video 😭
Can we all just agree that this scaling is wrong, and I'll leave it at that
wow, good way to debunk it.
@II-uh2be I just don't see the point in arguing👌
Not really, all i have seen in bleach are wank, wank, wank and wank your fav characters
Kubo Confirm himself that the cant fear your own world novel are canon
Wait he did? I thought he explained he provided the lore and backstory but did not write them?
Yall are subscribing to the WRONG ppl
yhwach = kaguya is personali ofencive.
you are using a kaguya feat that is equal to yukio, the fullbringer that created multiple "dimencions" for his pals to fight the soul reapers to wank her to universal.
yhwach was threatening the REAL cosmology of the verse, not some hax created dimention.
if otsuktsukis were universal level, and a threat to the REAL universe, they wudn't have de need to harvest mere planests for power.
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Bro said bleach realm=kagyua realm without any proof and scaling. adult naruto lost kuruma, bro didn't even mentioned that. I litterally scaled ichigo better than him, The cfyow are canon stated by kubo. and cfyow explains a lot about TYBW incidents and help power scale.
Funny thing is not one dimension in naruto/boruto has any size feat all they see is a sun so it's a solar system level dimension. Even in novels they don't have a solid universe kanji( uchu) instead it's always sekai( society/world/universe). Not the same for bleach where their are many infinite realms and uchu kanji in novels😂.
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This video was just random bullshit go 😂
I love how you scaled naruto by literally not using your brain cause thats the only way you can scaled him to be as high as you did
Ichigos quincy powers were drained he recovers them, also naruto loses kurama yet he wants to use a theoretical neef on ichigo
ichigo solos naruto. w video
I'm sorry this shouldn't even be a debate as this is like saying a saibaman(Naruto) can compete or even beat True Ultra Instinct Goku(Ichigo). For one I love Naruto but he gets absolutely obliterated in this fight. Ichigo has fought and even gave Aizen(Hogyoku) a run for his money who is a transcendent being(Multiple dimensions higher than 3D) who can casually destroy mountains with a simple swing of his sword, but you may be saying "yeah so what people in Naruto can do that too!". Yeah no, Aizen(Hogyoku) was not simply "Destroying" the mountains but rather completely erasing them from existence with a normal swing of his sword. Not to mention in order for Ichigo to be beaten by Yhwach he had to use the "All Mighty" which allows him to see and possibly alter the future. On top of this Ichigo can pretty much draw power from any race ever shown in the show do to him being a hybrid of every single spirit race. On top of this he is able comparable to Yamamoto's Shikai & Bankai and they burn at 50 million degrees and you may be asking "how does he compare?". Well simply put Yamamoto using his Shikai or Bankai is only a little bit stronger or comparable to base Yhwach, and Ichigo was able to keep up and it at points surpass a Yhwach that got his base power amped ALOT from absorbing the Soul King & a way weaker version of this Yhwach was able to beat Yamamoto. Here are some more of Ichigo's feats -> Destroyed a dimension the size of Karakura town just by transforming into Bankai, Vaporizes and entire ocean by simply lifting his sword, Destroyed an entire condensed Solar System by going Bankai in his fight with Ginjo, Killed the Soul King while in Shikai who's power was holding the entire Bleach verse together(reality) as well as realms like Seireitei & Heuco Mundo which are state by guide as well as data books to be infinite in size, Casually one shotted Fullbring Yukio who can create realms of varying sizes(biggest known to have a star), Ichigo in his Vasto Lorde(VL) form destroyed 3 floors of hell which is confirmed to be a layered multiverse realm which is backed by Kubo’s Hell Verse manga and databooks, his Skull Clad form one shotted Kokuto who easily blocked the same cero from VL Ichigo that destroyed the previously mentioned 3 floors of hell, Survived Aizen's(Hogyoku) Hado #90 which had enough gravity to warp time & space. Im up to debate anyone who doesn't agree with the proof i've provided.
16:46 no it been comfrim by kubo can switch back in to his dual sword if he wants to this was on kubo klub outside Q&A
If I remember correctly, this is 100% true! However it’s never shown in the manga, nor is it explained if that dual version is the exact same, after losing his Quincy powers.
If you think it is? Then you can refer to what I mentioned about it at the end of the video. It’s absolutely possible that Ichigo got his powers back.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwait how are you going to say that bcus Ichigo didn't show it on panel he didn't get his Quincy powers back when Kubo is the Final Say So on what is and isn't?
Kubo is the person who actually created Bleach, and Ichigo? So even if he himself hasn't drawn it on to page yet. If he tells us something is true? For the most part, we should believe it.
Just my thoughts though. Being a manga purist is equally valid IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY yes Tite Kubo is the person who created Bleach and Ichigo. Just like any creator of something they have the Final Say So on what's going on and isn't even if they haven't put it in the material yet.
For example he was asked a while back on his Clubhouse (which is still a thing) when Zangetsu tried to tell Ichigo his name was Yhwach on manga panel it was just a Black Box with no Sound did Ichibei cause for that to happen and Kubo said Yes even though Ichibei wasn't created yet. The same situation happened when Kubo was asked when Aizen revealed what he was doing and monologuing about something Soul King related he looked down at Ukitake did that mean that Aizen knew that Ukitake had Mimihagi and Kubo said Yes. There are multiple examples of Kubo doing this despite said things/characters don't yet exist or pop up on screen yet
U’ve got lots of info wrong or misvalued, and some missing info. 1 aspect u of both series u didn’t mention is that in naruto most fights r won by using some kind of hax, but using brute force and speed to make it land. While in bleach most fights r won thru brute force sometimes accompanied by or facilitated by hax. In naruto if u get hit by a powerful enuf ability ur fucked. While in bleach if an ability works on u, then ur just not strong enuf bud.
Also a lot but not all feats in naruto r done using hax, not strength or abilities like rasengan. While in bleach most feats r from strength, spiritual pressure, or merely existing with said spiritual pressure, and not so much hax. It’s like the potency of chakra in naruto is very weak, making the skilled use of it in high lv jutsu so valuable that it’s mandatory to be any good. While in bleach, spiritual pressure is so potent that with 10x-20x the spiritual pressure of the user, the users overpowered hax gets negged no problem.
Let’s give an ez comparable example of 1 such thing in both series. In naruto the gentle fist style can be used by byakugan users to block or interrupt the chakra network of targets. In the chunin exams neji used his gentle fist to block all of naruto chakra networks making him unable to use jutsu temporarily and making it u comfortable to move. At the time neji was at best wall lv, and after naruto borrowed some of the nine-tails chakra he must have been thousands if not close to a million times stronger then neji was at this point. And with that huge amp naruto was able to brute force the chakra out of his chakra points making him able to freely use it again.
On the other hand in the fight against aizen, urahara was able to create a kido that is able to block off the flow of spiritual pressure out of the targets wrists. If a soul reapers spiritual pressure is stopped from flowing out it will build up in the spirit body, causing it to explode. Using the power and will of the hogyoku, aizen was able to increase his spiritual pressure to such an extent that he transformed once again and gained so much spiritual pressure that he blasted the fuck out of the kido blocking his wrists. It is highly likely that this was a 10x power up, like most forms r.
As for speed.
I wud say it’s very fair to scale naruto to 100xFTL of below. Probably lower bud that’s a Hong ball I guess.
On the other hand the 9th espada was able to dodge light. Not a light based attack, actual light. And with each espada having their resurrection be a 10x powerup and each espada being 10x in base more powerful then the previously ranked espada’s release state, and ulquiorra having 2 resurrection and yammy also having 2 but his 1st being likened to a base form in this discussion, this means yammy who fought a weakened (40%) Ichigo is 100 quintillion FTL. So when Ichigo is healed by unohana and he used his hollow mask to try and fight aizen in fake karakura town, he was 2.5 sextillion FTL.
As for attack potency.
I can’t remember a lot of the feats exactly but I’m pretty sure naruto is star lv maybe more not counting any hax that wud be more potent than his brute force.
Each of the 4 squad 0 members r above 3x universal by merely existing, not even trying to do anything. So Ichigo is easily 4x universal just by existing, so god only knows how much he is when trying to destroy or kill. I haven’t seen anything that clearly shows how much of a difference there is between casual unintentional release of spiritual pressure compared to actually trying to destroy things. Is it 10x? 100x? 1,000x?
Ichigo stomps Naruto
Yh nope
@@Haji_6080Ichigo negs the fodder verse
Gets solo by Naruto @@2P01ix0tr
Get slam by toneri @@2P01ix0tr
@@2P01ix0trFodder verse? Naruto is pretty comfortably multi solar system level
Not a bad vid, but I don't think you did enough research on bleach!
Glad you enjoyed it! Anything in particular that you think I'm missing here, for future content?
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Nah man you cooked. However, I do have a question. Do you think Naruto would be able to see Ichigo?
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And if you’re curious about the whole seeing each other thing. And we just assume it’s not equalized.
Then yes. Sage of Six Paths Naruto has some in universe explanations for how he could see Ichigo.
1.) Regular people like Ichigo’s sister could see hollows- despite barely understanding anything spiritual (compared to a ninja, who uses spiritual energy to fight)
2.) SoSP Naruto has canonically been able to use his Sage energy, to sense beings in other dimension- who are invisible to other people (such as Madara’s limbo clones)
3.) If you don’t think either of those fit, then Naruto can canonically sense the emotions of people with Kurama mode. It’s a highly forgotten about ability. But it was used to see through Zetsu disguises, so I imagine he could use it to detect Ichigo’s emotions- to “see” him that way as well.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Ahh okay I see. So Naruto would be able to sense Ichigo or see him depending on which form you use. Thx!
Teen Ichigo one shots Adult Naruto, Adult Ichigo is overkill
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@@Marcus-bq9cr hahaha cry about it
Cry about it, lol @@danstern102
@Thashneem keep yapping
this video lacks knowledge
@TUCKALMIGHTY This was a nice video with a fine analysis. But I have to disagree.
The first problem is that you assume that Kaguya and Yhwach is equal. They are not!
If we really taking the high end scalings, Yhwach should be far higher above Kaguya.
Kaguya can be universal alright, but then Yhwach is far in the multiversal range.
Yhwach won't just destroy the World of the living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, but the many Valley of Screams and even the Garganta that encompasing them.
Defeating Yhwach who can destroy the Garganta that contains many universal sized separate space-time dimensions, makes Ichigo unquestionably above Kaguya and even Isshiki.
The second problem is that the Bayron Mode's life shaving hax is actually incredibly weak.
Isshiki had just only 20 hours lifespan left that Naruto shortened it to 5-3 minutes in the end.
Let's be very generous and say that Bayron Mode Naruto's every punch drains a day worth of lifespan. To kill a totally normal adult Naruto needs to take away 40 years from them.
40 years = 14 600 days = 14 600 punch
So Naruto needs to hit an average human 14 600 times to kill them with Bayron Mode's lifespan drain hax.
Even if we just say that Naruto just standing there passively drains 1 day worth of life energy every second, it's still not enough.
14 600 seconds = 243,333 minutes = 4,05 hours
So Naruto would still need more than 4 hours to kill an average human with the lifespan drain hax.
It was just only useful against Isshiki because he was in the time limit. It's literally useless against anyone else, and let alone Ichigo who easily has hundreds or even thousands years worth of spirit energy.
Simply, Ichigo still wins! But a nice try and waiting for your next video.
Reiatsu and Chakra is different. Tell me an instance where Chakra deleted someone just by being next to them like Lord Aizen did
Aizen didn’t delete anyone 😂
@@dizzyb2309 Tell me you didn't watch Bleach without telling me you didn't watch Bleach 😂
@@Kay-ol1ye Like I said, he didn’t delete anyone. Stop capping.
@@Kay-ol1ye And stop liking your own garbage comments 😂
@@dizzyb2309 He deleted a human just by his presence, now keep crying loser lmao 😂
Baryon mode punches hours off Momoshiki's life span.
That is not working on Ichigo who has more than a hours in his soul reaper state. He can fight for weeks/months as a soul.
I'm commenting at 5:20 in to this video. This guys did not did enough Bleach research. Period.
What did I miss?
nobody claims a Cero from a Menos Grande behaves like light-among other stuff missed- the databook says is spiritual light is not even lightspeed.@@TUCKALMIGHTY
That’s fine? I don’t think it’s light speed. It’s just a highball meta some people use. I point that out in the video.
Many others claim that spiritual light, and regular light- can be viewed as the same thing. With it being vaguely supported by Uryu dodging his own shadow in Soul Society arc.
it could be, the novels which are canon from multiple source of the author been involved and answering events from the novels instead of refering to the manga version (not that it matters-the anime is the prime canon now since the author himself is writing the story for the anime and in charge of the stafff) is told in the novels that the reishi world (aka spiritual light) existed first, then the real world (real light) was created as a parallel world to it. @@TUCKALMIGHTY
Dude thanks for continuing the one that's more popular will win shinanigans.
Bleach is objectively the most powerful verse among the Big 3.
So much shit said in such a short time, adult Naruto in Barion mode loses to Ichigo from the soul society arc.
thats like saying kid naruto stomps horn of salvation ichigo thats the dumbest thing i’ve heard all day
Soul Society Arc Ichigo probably loses to Sage mode Naruto
@@Kryptic_sx Do you think Naruto in sage mode would be able to keep up with Ichigo's fake Bankai? I advise you to rewatch his fight with Byakuya.
Just remembering that baryon mode is much inferior to Guy's 8 inner gates in terms of practical feats since Naruto was unable to distort space.
Shibai, Begs to Differ
Alright dude it is obvious from this video that you do not know how to scale ichigo properly and you do not know how ichigo's power works as a whole, there are multiple things that i disagree with in this video like stating that the bleach novels aren't canon when they are.
It's quite obvious that you don't understand ichigo's power at 16:50 where you show to different versions of ichigo, one of them being ichigo with his true zanpakuto (the image on the left) which also isn't totaly canon because it is a image from the game Bleach Brave Souls and there are a lot of original designs there, and you compare true zanpakuto ichigo to ichigo with his fullbring zanpakuto, ichigo's fullbring zanpakuto is his fake zanpakuto which isn't even half as strong as true zanpakuto Ichigo and you then point out the curves of the two zanpakuto and you say taht it doesn't go back to normal stating that Ichigo's fullbring zanpakuto is his normal zanpakuto when it's not.
Ichigo negs everyone should know this🤨
I thjnk we should probably wait until adult ichigo has a fight that isn't just one block before trying to scale him.
So you’re just gonna ignore the fact that Baryon mode kills kurama.
No, I was just mnetioning it in the conversation. Taking both at their prime (as Adults).
I do also mention how the fight would go without Kurama at the end.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY That’s fair but we also need to talk about how beating Kaguya is not the same as beating Yhwach.
I agree with this statement, I’m mainly just talking about their stats in this video. I think their AP feats are similar, Yhwach just has better Hax.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Beating Kaguya doesn't mean Naruto has that AP. Kaguya is more like a glass cannon, unless you also want to say at end of the war Sakura is somehow planetary for being able to hurt Kaguya, which is objectively wrong.
Sakura gave Kaguya a little scratch, and her entire gimmick is having higher than usual AP. So no, she doesn't scale to Kaguya from the little bruise she gave Kaguya.
As opposed to Naruto, who ripped off her arm- and surpassed her total chakra amount (or AP in this situation) during his fight with Momoshiki. Since Momoshiki was stronger (had more AP) then Kaguya.
Kaguya isnt even 1/100th of Ywach 😂😂😂😂
Thing is Baryon mode don't really last that long and it's life drain barely worked on someone with only few days of life span Shinigami can live for hundreds to thousands even millions of years based on power level only
and as for scaling yeah Kaguya's dimensions can be counted as Uni overall cause of time-space but bleach just has way more to back it as all major dimensions are at least infinite except living world which was still stated as Universe and has distant galaxies then there's Garganta an infinite void of nothingness that contains all worlds
Naruto indeed surpassed Kaguya and has achieved higher forms
But Kaguya isn't really that comparable to Ywach
As bleach scaling goes like this.
Squad zeros 4 members if going bankai can destroy all worlds that's there combined power just by transforming and nothing else no attacks nothing making them universal plus at minimum
Base Ywach already above them and still weaker than Ichibe who's weaker than Almighty Ywach who should be weaker than base soul king Ywach without almighty who can still get even more stronger once almighty is activated and get more buffs from absorbing the sternwriters
Ichigo with 1/3 of his Bankai's power killed him twice yeah the second time they nerf Ywach but you clearly see his power back before getting butchered
as for adult Ichigo let's take into account 12 years has passed we have to remember he was getting stronger overtime just by existing experience skyrockets his power and barely training for a day or 2 boost his power to a ridiculous amount and all of that when he didn't even have control or knowledge of his power and his growth was even held back just think about what 12 years would do
heck we can go even further if we take Ichigo and Aizen being higher dimensional beings and that wasn't even close to Ichigo's true shikai level as all that was a fraction of Ichigo's true power
I mean seriously the soul king was the closest thing to omnipotence in bleach bro created life and death yet a teenager with barely 2 years of experience and short time training matched his power level
Why tf is there rock music blasting in the background the whole video
Lol lots of false equivalence man kaguya does not=yuha in any stats lol and her dimention feat and his are not the same ........and naruto has never fought any otsuki 1v1 and been able to win he always fights with sasuke while ichigo solos
...yuha was gonna destroy 3 dimentions his durability should scale to ap and ichigo.one shot him with a provided opening yess but he still had the power to one shot a universal + nigga while.being nerfed as u say...lol and in base whivh is consistent since adult ichigo cut hells chains in base which took vasto lorde cero in hell arc...but yall to casual
Kaguya's dimensional feats and Yhwach's are similar enough to scale them the same.
And unless bringing Kurama counts as a jumping, then Naruto 1v1'd Toneri? And maybe Isshiki if you just look at the Baryon mode section of the fight.
Yhwach was going to destroy three dimensions over time, before losing most of his power by the Still Silver, and getting one shot (although yes, Ichigo was nerfed as well)
And yes, Adult Ichigo has feats from the light novel, which I mention as vaguely making him stronger? But there's not too many ways to gauge it- besides putting him above Vasto Lorde- which he's been for awhile, probably even without the Quincy powers.
This video was more casual then our usual takes though, so I can definitely agree to that. If you want anything more serious, our longer stuff might be more your speed.
u should def watch clyde's goku vs ichigo
Your Goku v superman video came in my recommended and you said everything that i had in my mind about both characters, subbed, and can you please do a breakdown about Pain vs Shigaraki. i dont know much about pain soo maybe it's in his favour but this match up is soo unique and i havent seen much about this online.
I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the content! And yeah, I'd definitely be happy to cover Pain Vs Shigaraki sometime soon, they're two of my favorite villains in all of Shonen. Plus it's pretty debatable as well, IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Can't wait also loved the editing.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYdon't you realize that Ichigo is going to win what's the point of doing this we already know the outcome the only way Naruto will win is that he had to use Shadow clone Jutsu in his hacks abilities in order to give him the dub so just stop wasting everybody's time
@@TUCKALMIGHTYand before you do my hero versus Naruto shigaraki destroys pain simple as that get this shit right stop trying to scale and talk about the abilities that's where it all comes down to
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwe already know Ichigo is faster than Naruto get to the point stop wasting people's time you idiot
The reason ichigo is concerned is because of The Almighty💀. At that time theres literally no possible way to get past The Almighty. It was a miracle that they were able to kill him in the first place, if yhwach was revived then thered be nothing to seal The Almighty. Ichigo is clearly shown to be powerful enough to kill yhwach, the problem lies in The Almighty, theres just no way to counter it
Thank god there are people who think like me yes ichigo had stats way above yhwach but yhwach's omega bullshit hax was preventing everything from happening.
This, Ichigo scaled above Yhwach and even had him shitting boulders when he whipped out his True Bankai, but the only reason he didn't get annihilated was The Almighty's bullshit hax.
Okay that is False, Ichig was not nerfed what so ever after TYBE, Ichigo regained his stolen powers from Ywach after killing him, he even stole some of Ywachs spiritual energy upon killing him. Ichigo is also stated to be alot stronger after the 10 year time skip and has mastered his abilities.
Kubo actually does Q&A's as well as the Light Novels as well.
Also TYBW is not the final arc, Kubo himself stated once he has finished directing the TYBW anime he will be continuing the Bleach manga, the next arc is Called "Breathe of Hell".
Ichigo was never nerfed after killing Ywach, Ywach stol his power leaving him at 1/3rd of his power an Ichigo still killed him.
It took ichigo almost killing him 3 times to finally put Ywach down.
Lol Naruto couldn't even blitz pain from 20 feet away with 5 second intervals 😂 but kid Naruto can hang with light speed haku???😂
😂 it's because his reaction speed is light speed not his movement speed and believe me early og naruto kishimoto literally stated how guns would be too much in naruto verse.
I was in awe 😂😂😂 i started contemplating life and how this guy left a lot of details about ichigo you noticed when he started talking about ichigo 4min to the end of the video
Very bad and extremely biased video 🤦🏻♂️, anyone with half a braincell would know that any of the top 15 Bleach characters can very casually and easily solo all the naruto verse.
It's just simple logic.
how is this a debate? a planetary mofo against a universal+(you can argue that he is low multiversal)chad?
feats and statements wise, naruto is dimensions below from ichigo, stats included
I thought everyone knew ichigo slams neg diff bro this shouldn't be a debate bro
This is a W vid. You deserve a lot more subs my man.
I like this video. You broke it down to where feats between the characters doesn't really matter and used basic logic instead of the numbers and math calc plays that lots of debaters spend dozens of hours on for no reason. Fans want to utilize one-off inconsistent statements for their arguments, "universal for me but not for thee" cop out arguments, and other highball wanked arguments to prove why their character is superior but in the end, it doesn't really matter as both characters have pulled off amazing feats and you broke it down in simple ways that just make sense.
You just keep outdoing yourself man! Awesome video, and I agree with pretty much everything here!
Imo End of Shippuden Naruto and TYBW Ichigo is a super close, down to the wire fight that would be extreme dif for either side. And with that in mind, Naruto, as you said, gets significantly stronger after that - while we just don't know enough about what Ichigo is capable of to really give him the same benefit of the doubt. Naruto just generally has a more versatile arsenal, better battle intelligence, and experience.
So all in all, I agree that Naruto is taking this fight. Amazing video, thank you and your editor (editing was CLEAN) for the video!
no way you said that. ichigo, not even in his adult form one shotted yhwach TWICE. a creature with type 8 immortality, can alter and perceive infinite futures, has more than enough power to crush the whole bleach cosmology, absorbed the being who made the concept of life and death. ichigo one shotting yhwach is a massive feat
@@jielliel Okay? None of those statements put him anywhere above Low Multiversal which you can scale Naruto to with the same leeway. Creating life and death is hax and doesn't scale you anywhere as you cannot prove that those concepts are platonic in the Bleachverse.
I agree that one-shotting Yhwach is very impressive, but Naruto swapping hands with and overpowering beings even stronger than Kaguya is just as good as that, if not better.
@@limbo9993 what? even if you lowball tf out of him he still scales higher than naruto in both stats, hax and dimensionality. comparing yhwach to naruto/boruto's villains is crazy, none of them comes close to yhwach in terms of power
@@limbo9993 scaling naruto to universal is pure bs, there's no statement that will put him at that level. at best he is solar system or planetary
the only character that can probably come close to yhwach is shibai and he is featless.
bruh ichigo is almost uni when u lowball tf out of him
Kaguya never destroyed a realm on panel. Lmao #fakennews
Naruto Chapter 689, Kaguya uses the expansive truth seeking orb. Which expands across her entire dimension, and is stated to cause the creation of a new time space.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY is stated to be able to do that but it doesn't because she is stopped just like Yhwach was. You claim in the video that destroyed a dimension.
I mean, Yeah? That’s true? But kind of pedantic. That confirm it would destroy a dimension- just like they confirmed it with Yhwach.
It’s only a slip of the tongue on my part. Not anything against what actually happened, regarding the feats & scaling.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY have you seen the Bleach anime? Senjumaru (squad zero) released her blood oath realing their true powers. Her reiatsu (episode card confirmed) travel physically from one world to the other. Her bankai is claimed to shake the heavens and the earth of all 3 worlds. Later is shown that the sky, Soul Society and Earth were having earthquakes. Calculating that feat puts the likes of Senjumaru at Multi-Solar System level and Uryu is fighting her with her bankai when the anime returns in 2023. Yep, we have interview from the author himself talking about working on these scenes in the anime.
This guy just made this debate more confusing.
And for instance yhuwach is far more stronger than kaguya.
Dude What tf are you talking about?lol Naruto wouldn’t stand a damn chance be real
Be careful, these bleach fans loves misinterpreting their series poweracale. Lol.
They can accept Yhwah being Universal while kaguya isn't?
my problem with Naruto has always been how they throuw random "lightspeed" moves since early on. First of all, how the hell would they be able to even move at that speed? There's this thing called spagettification in phisycs that states, before even reaching such speed, any kind of matter AKA OUR BODIES will turn into whatever and obviously will fall unconcious way before that. As far as I know Naruto characters are human, aren't they? For bleach I'm not that surprised since they are souls who aren't really affected by phisycs like that. At least not that science has stated yet. This is anime of course, but I gues we need some kind of logic to even begin with, right. Otherwise these vids'd be pointless.
This isn't even a debate.
Bro fr Naruto dog walks 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️👎
Ichigo jus betta
naruto tried taking a page from ichigo’s book and it severely nerfed him
One thing is that, in Naruto speed scaling they fail to understand that Naruto was held by a limbo clone & madara used the attack to cut him since it cuts all things
base Naruto wouldve dodged that attack effortlessly if he wasnt held in space not to mention the Mabui teleportation technique which does that at the speed of light to send kages to the battlefield & you need to be faster than the ability to arrive there without death they say
Bleach top teir characters have mftl to mftl+ raw speed in tybw and cfyow so what's your point
@@yashmehta4087 false
@@MrLoops-dq9xt ture they have many scans of ftl+ then u can get them mftl to mftl+ by many multipliers using calculations
Even soul society ichigo was ftl+
@@yashmehta4087 prove it
@@MrLoops-dq9xtthe multipliers is all we need for that. Ichigo speedblitzes naruto to the oblivion. He gets 5x to 10x with the bankai and hollow mask multipliers and after every arc this becomes his base form example: fullbring ichigo is literally on the level of vasto lorde, and he gets another huge buff from he bankai multiplier, oh and all that its just his fake bankai, in his true shinkai he is at his base on the level or above of dangai ichigo and thats before the horn of salvation and his true bankai that extra buffs all his stats again. Also ichigo was light speed in SS before all the multipliers so he ftl back then and mftl now.
Ichigo has all his powers after the end and he can control the form of his sword easily.
W video but imm say a few things
First its stated by Kakashi that Kaguya was not only going to destroy her space-time but every space-time he could travel to with Kamui. Right after he tells them this Naruto says "we have to save the world" and in storm 4 he says "we have to save shinobi history". Its pretty clear that Kaguya was also going to destroy the Earth and the space-time that the Earth resides in as Kakashi said traveling back there wouldn't matter if they didn't stop this attack from expanding. So if Kaguya was gonna destroy all dimensions which are the Kamui dimension, her 6 dimensions, the normal universe and her recreating a dimension after that then she should be at least universal+.
Then theres the bleach speed arguments. Its stated in light novels that Candice's reishi lightning is massively slower than actual lightning and Ginjo had a very had time dodging it. Not only does this prove that being made of reishi can make a substance massively slower than its naturally occurring counter part such as reishi bullets are slower than actual bullets or reishi light is slower than actual light but it also proves that these characters just aren't light speed which Gin's bankai should have already proven( Gin lied about whatever he told Aizen not what he told ichigo, the 500x the speed of sound statement is even used in the databooks).
Naruto is just a large planatery to dwarf star level
Stop spreading misinformation here and there
Regarding bleach I have no knowledge of that anime
@@TheB3-d4n With that last statement I'll assume your trolling
@@MrLoops-dq9xtnow it's correct 😂😂
@@MrLoops-dq9xtI forgot to put bleach there
@@TheB3-d4n Oh ok. And regarding the misinformation thing I shall directly cite my source, copy and paste, and explain the text so there can be no possibility of a misunderstanding.
Naruto chapter 689 pages 6 and 7.
"That's the same as the balls I've got behind me! Except it's way bigger and keeps growing larger and larger! Kamui can't teleport something of that magnitude. Even if we were to run away by teleporting to a space-time dimension... If that thing keeps growing larger at that pace there's no way we'd be able to return. So we've got to stop it. In other words we've got no choice but to seal her real body. We're going to save the world!"
Kakashi blatantly says that escaping to another space-time won't matter because the tso will keep growing and reach them no matter what space-time there in. The only option they have is to seal her as again even if they run away it will still get them. They then resolve to save the world as again the tso is going to keep expanding to every space-time until it destroys everything. They wouldn't say "let's save the world" if it wasn't going to destroy Earth. They wouldn't stay and fight if they can just run away from the explosion, Naruto and the kage ran away from Madara's meteors so they have no reason not to run away from an attack, they stayed because they needed to stop the destruction of Earth and thus save the world. Other wise they would not have a world to return to. And for Kaguya to destroy Earth that would mean her tso would keep expanding beyond her space-time dimensions and eventually reach the original universe to destroy Earth as Earth is not in her dimensions. And yes she was going to destroy the entire universe as it says they wont be able to return to the "space-time dimension" not just a portion of space-time but the entire dimension. Now that I've explained this there should be no room for confusion. If you think I'm wrong then actually prove it and don't just say "your wrong". Give me actual feedback.
Baryon Mode doesn't even work. And even if it did it would just wouldn't on Ichigo who can have a live spam of 1,000,000,000 years. LMAO
I don't care what anyone says. I am with Naruto whether he wins or loses. Go Naruto
Ichigo
Better then naruto in character and power , u are just biased
@@yashmehta4087Bro seriously it's his opinion and you have your own opinion at least respect his opinion see you like ichigo he likes Naruto some random guy like luffy what's wrong with that🤦🤦 and that's not being biased also their won't be people who has the same tastes/likes as you do.
@@manofculture69425 yeah i know that but Naruto is overrated in big 3 and ichigo is really underrated
@@yashmehta4087that’s just YOUR opinion. Everyone else rocking team naruto
@@manofculture69425You can't have an opinion when it's a fact😂
Question, I know it sounds cool, but why do we freak over the “warping space around him” statement? I only mean this with scaling. But have you noticed we bring it up but no one ever calcs it? It’s because it’s not impressive to warp space around something. So you have to try and calculate the speed through something like chain or pixel scaling, but it’s not like when someone says they can destroy X and scalers say “it would take so and so amounts of energy to”. Idk why it bugs me but it does. I could make an argument for either of these two winning, but I can make better and more consistent points for ichigo. In a lot of interpretation they aren’t even in the same realm of power. It all depends on who is scaling them. But in alot of goo arguments based off feats and statements, bleach scales in dimensions while naruto scales in celestial bodies/ a universe.
Before even watching this, I just wanna say: why are we still comparing a dimensional power level character to a planetary power level one?
Bro did not want to do the real math
Bro gimme in contact with the editor you have that’s amazing
These are the people who to see power scaling and leave it alone
Balla faster than cero is because balla don't need long charger time
Ichigo is shinigami for fuk sake ...
He is the death God
Kaguya isn't even close to Yhwach in terms of power, and i'm talking base Yhwach not even composite Yhwach.
"Yhwach=Kaguya"? Kkkkkkkkkkkk LoooooooooL 😂. Thks for it dude. O laugh a loooooot this joke hahahaha
More details of Naruto and Few on Ichigo... Jumped the gun there... True Naruto fan boy
Not called light in some places. It’s in the data book that ceros are concentrated beams of light.
Great video 💯 ppl arguments be crazy someone stating wat I character claimed to do but didn’t
Wow, and I thought Goku vs Superman was a long debate
The novels are canon, tho.
So, literal light that disintegrates stuff (cero) can't be the speed of light because a balla, a faster version of the light that disintegrates stuff, is faster..... tf.
We haven't seen alot of adult ichigo yet. Maybe in the hell arc
Ngl I dont know If I fully agree with this, but one thing that this video helped me realize is that I think most of people (including myself) are stuck on the common knowledge that ichigo is the strongest of the big 3 by far...
Like I know almost nothing about ichigo but even after the feats you gave him it still felt weird for me,
I think if you asked me to give an answer to this debate before watching the video, I wouod have sayd with no doubth that ichigo stomps, and I think the majority of people that, like me, know little to nothing about ichigo's scaling would have answered the same thing...
So yeah I think we dont really see this debate because we established that ichigo is far superior and there is no debate on that.
Not saying you are correct (I dont have the knowledge in power scaling to say that) but I would for sure like other people to give they're opinion on this topic👍
Bro no way the bleach living universe is infinite and yhwach was gonna destroy all of it plus the solar society which is galactic sized and the hell dimension which is infinite where as Naruto at best is scaled to the dimensions which only house a sun,moon and planet being multi solar system ichigo is easily multiversal where as Naruto is slar system level
Please do a comparison between Kiss Shot (final form) vs Yhwach. Please 🙏