Joe R. Hicks - The United States is Not Institutionally Racist
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The Motion: This House Believes the United States is Institutionally Racist.
Joe R. Hicks is an African-American conservative commentator and community activist. He is currently vice president of Community Advocates Inc., and the former Executive Director of the Los Angeles City Human Relations Commission, where he served from 1997 to 2001 under Mayor Richard Riordan.
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“Waging a utopian battle to erase all racism would be as futile as seeking a world free of germs” ... And we’re literally trying to do both these days! 😂
Ironically there were slaves in Utopia as written by Thomas Moore.
Brilliant
AJtheory Are you serious? Your skin color has literally nothing to do with “pathological problems.” The answer isn’t segregation, it’s literally just human decency regardless of any outward appearance.
Nailed it
What gets lost in this rhetoric on race is that there is only one race, but many variations of it and these variations are getting blended on a daily basis.
Why does that woman insist on disrupting or trying to disrupt anyone who disagree with her leftist thinking? David Webb was having none of that as he told her to sit down several times.
Loved the way he said nothing and just waved his hand.
Because she doesn't care. She doesn't want to listen or digest what he is saying. All she can think about is injecting what she feels and getting her point across. It happens on both sides but tends to be far more prominent from those on the left.
@@vdKingpin Very true, any emotions that are allowed to overcome debates ends up in irrationall thinking.
Well, I believe in this forms it’s customary to stand up, be acknowledged then posed a question. Respect and being right aren’t mutually exclusive: you can disagree with her (as I do) and still allow room for Q&A...she’s not inherently evil, just a tainted view on the issue.
@@AdolfDahmer what everyone i leaving out is that she more than likely had her own 8 minutes to talk(hence Mr. Hicks and Mr. Webb acknowledging their opposition at the end of their time. So she probably had her time then she wanted to chime in on their time. And they only had 8 minutes to speak so there was no room for Q&A.
Holy cow, does that rude lady interrupt everyone like that? I've seen several videos where she just will not sit down and shut up and let someone talk. She is so horribly out of line and rude it's insane.
Because she knows she can get away with it. She wants to keep the grievance industry alive and well.
Anyone who dare say she is wrong would be called racist most likely.
rockster10101 very true.
On brand, millennials will do ANYTHING for attention. Bless her heart, someone find her a therapist.
“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well.” - Booker T. Washington
It's black men like David Webb and Joe R. Hicks, both of whom spoke so eloquently at this meeting, who can heal racism with COMMON SENSE!!!
Eliza,
Add also Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Tiger Woods, Denzel Washington.. Brandon Tatum.
Only if the Neomarxist Left let them.
I agree except for the last point. No one can "heal" anything for someone else, they have to want it & it's clear that some just don't want to heal much like an alcoholic or those drug addicted. They're blinded by their own justification & have no desire in helping themselves. It's truly unfortunate
@@peacebe2u480 Hahaha, I just found Brandon Tatum. Really great guy
So yall dont believe theres institutional racism?
That girl is not listening to him, she came with an agenda. I hope the other students there are really listening to him. The feel good policies have done more harm than good.
Just like a lot of LGBTQ and feminists you cannot reason rationally with them. You give them a good argument or state a fact and they will just shout how wrong you are and try convince you how unlogic thinking is the only way to go.
True. I believe she was constantly searching for mistakes/loopholes that he would slip out and be like "aha!". Most leftists don't listen anymore.
It should be said that as a formal debate, participants on the other side are allowed to offer a challenge to the speaker. The speaker has full right to deny their request, as many do, but she is actually following the rules of the system
This is f***ing Oxford. SIT DOWN, LISTEN, THEN SPEAK.
EJ if anyone has ‘special treatment’ it is you...you and your white privilege!!
Rest in peace, Mr. Hicks. Your open minded, intelligent view on ongoing issues will be sorely missed.
pretty sure he’s somewhere rotting in hell.
All that lady wants to do is interrupt the speakers in order to disrupt their points. She does not want to listen, she just wants to get her voice heard.
And wait until you see the video of her turn...pathetic, and she lets no one interrupt. Then the crowd gives her big applause...also pathetic.
@@cyc7lops Could you provide a link, please?
@@jamesdavis9036 ruclips.net/video/TGpdVvn19eI/видео.html
Rest in Peace Mr Hicks. He died shortly after this speech.
rest in peace
That's unfortunate. We need more people like him speaking up right now. I'm doing what I can, but I don't have the audience. In spite of my age (I'm technically - because I deny it - a millennial) I've never been into social media. I'm not even 100% certain how Snapchat works. Same for TikTok. Got a Facebook page I never add anyone to. I have an account but have never Tweeted.
honestly good for him. He gets to be in Heaven now instead of dealing with all of this crap
Now there is a man who is much needed to add a voice of reason in today's insanity.
He JUST GOT Started!!! Keep ya butt in that chair, listen & learn something.
The blond woman behind him did NOT like the black crime statistics being quoted. Her eyes almost rolled back in her head.
She's probably a Neoliberal Kumbaya idiot squeamish at any reference to the contrary of her fake views on the world. The irony is most of these white liberals come from the elite and use racial demographics dialectics as their political selling points to get elected so they can live off of the majority white demographic's tax payer dollars while devising structures that further destroy the structure of the family for the benefit of the state. Which increasingly effects all demographics and is the main reason why the black community has been destroyed. Dad's are in Prison, and Mom's are irresponsible promiscuous welfare recipients drunk off of the pig trough of government hand outs whilst having children from multiple fathers, while the children grow up lacking a disciplinary father figure, and being raised by women who neglect teaching their children responsibility. Granted this isn't the totality of the Black Community in America, but it is the majority demographic that gets media focus and is made an example or normalized standard in the media and academia.
She didn't agree with him , because she is a racist.
@@dannunakifuque7795 No truer words spoken!
Shes brainwashed typical white liberal femoid
I think she was just crunching the numbers (kinda when you look up to think about something)
"Waging a utopian battle to erase all racism, real or imagined, by the way, would be as futile as seeking a world free of germs."
I have long believed this, but this gentleman is far more eloquent in stating it than I could ever hope to be.
Im a black 21 yr with a job and in college bought a car and the real reason is african slavery we were basically enslaved by men or african warlords 1st why is no one bringing this up
Jermain Edwards thank you! Finally someone says it!
because that would mean your making up an excuse for white slavers
@@macky765 No it's not. You don't have to approve of a crime by acknowledging the mutual guilt on both parties' involved. It actually makes you wiser by acknowledging how stupid and unfair it is to condemn one more so over the other when both are equally guilty of the same thing. Nothing to do with excuses.
@@macky765 ...White slavers who had to buy their slaves from black sellers. The black sellers didn't give a damn about race, they just wanted the money. Black leaders were completely complicit in the slave trade, and attempt at trying to argue otherwise is to be erasing history.
@@pacificstatesofamerica If that is to erase history then you are twisting it to make a point. White people have enslaved white people throughout history. Do you know where the word 'slave' originates from? From the 'slavs' which is white people that inhabits a large part of Eastern Europe
I love how he just ignored her the second time. That should be all of our strategy.
You're a cabal?
Nice to hear the truth. Thank you.
That girl is so annoying
YOU are so annoying
+potatoengineer SHE MADE A DAMN GOOD POINT !!! i was very impressed because the fact that you had judges sitting who were members of the KLU KLUX KLAN speaks volumes about the justice system as an institution which is racist
Agreed. Her point, which she punctuates during her segment, is that non-state institutions will perpetuate racial advantages long after official legal policy has changed.
She can't accept the truth that was so eloquently quoted by Booker T. Washington. It's been the systemic policy of the left to keep people of color down, just low enough to survive, but not thrive.
@@johnbrown-um3lf You used the past tense. You just dismantled your own argument.
This guy has a cool speaking voice. Sounds a lot like Dagoth Ur from Morrowind.
Bruh😂
^ MOST UNDERRATED COMMENT SO FAR
Come, grievance theorists, come! Come to the Oxford Union where we last met countless ages ago. Come, look upon my criticisms and arguments- And bring logic you’ll have need of it.
A sensible argument, who would have thought?
This may be the BEST and MOST intelligent speech I have EVER heard, especially the part about a black getting shot by a white cop. This country has gone crazy supporting Black Lives Matter, and I'm black.
Go feed your unicorn, Funny.
I don't know if this was the format but I like the idea of a bell which says "I would like to respond to that when you finish your thought" rather than talking over people.
Wow this is poignant, especially now.
Ive never heard of Joe Hicks, but I like his presentation, and I'm going to find out more about him!
he passed away four years ago sadly
@@andrewfridmanpiano sorry to hear that.
If the left were vampires, this video is extra garlic with holy water.
Man I can't believe he was in his 70's during this debate!
Where can I find this debate in its entirety
here here!!!
They keep having educated black men come speak to them, telling them racism isn't as bad as they claim and yet they still don't believe it. Talk about brainwashed.
Rest in Peace Joe R. Hicks, he seemed like a great man.
.. refreshing 🍇
This guy is excellent!
I feel this argument even trumps Webb’s take on it
5:58 To see him say "the bad numbers" while the white chick in the background rolls her eyes LMAOOO
A dumb bird
I don't think she's rolling her eyes. It looks like she's thinking.
he dropped the 13/50 bomb
Slavery wasnt born in United States...just remember that. The Slaves that came from Africa also came from African tribes from whom conquered (not all of them) them and sold them to the white man for profit. Also, Europe dont act all high and mighty and act like racism isn't still alive there.
Slavery may have existed elsewhere before the Transatlantic slave trade, however, no one nation had used slaves to the extreme degree as the United States did.
Do you mean in that era?
Because in the ancient world some societies were something like 50% slaves
@Indelible Kink yeah i knew sparta was one of big ones innthe grecian setting and thats how they managed their super military focused society... though 20 to one os more than i thought
@@neeks3 you are mistaken. The middleastern slave trade lasted far longer than the trans Atlantic. Islamic countries in the Middle East and North Africa wanted traded slaves of every ethnicity however African slaves were particularly wanted as eunuchs. However castration was illegal under the laws of Islam so the slavers would preform the castrations during the trip from the African continent to the middle east, (no anesthesia). About 70% of the slaves would die and the slavers would still be able to make a profit, that's how lucrative the business of the middle eastern slave trade was.
That level of barbarism is just as horrific and that's just one example. The only reason the USA gets a bad rep about slavery is because it's founding principles were so blatantly contradictory to slavery. Every other civilization in the world had slaves (without issue). Slavery as an institution is as old as humanity itself.
Millions of European slaves were traded by Islamic pirates between 1500 and 1800. During the middle ages, Slavs (people originating from the Slavic countries of the Balkans) were used so pervasively as slaves in Europe and the Middle East that the origin of the word 'slave' comes from the word 'Slav', in several European languages and Arabic.
In centuries passed, China was known as the largest and comprehensive market for the exchange of human beings in the world. India was estimated to have had more slaves than the western hemisphere combined (long before the British even set foot on it's soil).
South East Asia had more slaves than free people at a time. Slaves exsisted in the western hemisphere even before Columbus arrived.
So why is it as a black man I'm expected to hate or distrust white people? (I'm not American mind you, I'm from the Caribbean)
If we are talking numbers alone, I should hate Muslims. Do not mistake my examples for islamophobia. It's to illustrate the point....
Slavery is a human institution, not a white one. Everyone needs to study world history.
@@neeks3 the middle East did..😑
Funny, reading the comments on each of these videos.
well said, couldn't agree with this man more, good arguments n logic, so much better than I've seen from the oppositions side.
This is more important than ever
Glad I found this, couldn’t be more relevant today
What does the bell in the background signify?
No matter the speaker who supports the notion that the USA is NOT racist, never gets through his ten minutes or so without being interrupted to put him of his stride. On the other hand those that argue that it is, NEVER get interrupted by those that oppose their view.
Why??? Those that want to perpetuate the lie cannot stand it when truth is brought into the light.
If that rude young lady would LISTEN to what's being said by these gentlemen she might get her questions answered but more importantly LEARN TO SHOW RESPECT TO HER ELDERS! She interrupted or tried several times when David Webb was speaking. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Webb & that irked me to watch
RIP Mr. Hicks. You are sorely missed.
The timekeeper is hitting the shit out of that bell
we need more people of Mr. Joe R. Hicks.
Ok, I don’t know how this forum, or whatever it is, operates. Can someone explain to me why that bell is being rung? Is it like a warning, *ding* you have one minute?
B1rds3y3 Yes. The bell alerts the speaker that their time is running low.
Beej ok, but what time amount does it signify? There was a different video I watched, on the same topic, at the same hall, where the bell was rung once, then rung twice a little later, then three times a little later still.
B1rds3y3 it depends on the length of the time their given and also if the speaker has requesting a bell. The speaker might saying “bell me at the half way and at the one minute mark”. Or they might say “bell me at the one minute mark”. Generally from what I’ve seen is half way and one minute.
Amen! Stop media from separating us!
If you listen to the tv long enough you'd think it was still 1963.
Why does this woman keep rudely interrupting?
Well said Sir, very informative 👍
I love the speech and the speaker is very intelligent, however I am not familiar with Oxford speeches. What does it mean when the bell is rung?
That the one who rings the bell wants to speak up. It's akin to raising a hand up.
That guy on the left hand throne looks like every period drama antagonist.
I would love to have heard a debate between him and Dr. Claude Anderson.
Is that Edward Sissor hands behind him on his left?
So I have seen a few videos on this argument where are the counter argument videos posting?
Fucking thank you was just thinking that
The counter-point videos are posted literally right next to this video in the list on the OxfordUnion page... 6 in total, 3 for and 3 against the proposition.
Sometimes I find it so wierd people don’t listen to people who actually faught and experienced the WORST racism in history (modern),..we really spoilt and don’t get it. Hearing this shows how little we even know yet we riot
Crazy how world has changed. It would not be allowed to have this speech here today (and I don't even mean COVID as the cause).
Anyone else jump at the ding at 7:23 lol
It may be good that she ask questions that need to be debunked, though that may not be her original intent. Imho as a proud American and thanks for sharing.
"masters of their own destinies" - I am so proud to be American because of equality of opportunity
This gentleman is absolutely brilliant. What a mind.
2:05 This is the point I try to talk to people about, but they don't ever understand. They don't understand the nature of humans, and the power of words. If anything, the people under 30 should really understand this because they are bombarded with a shell of information; they have to react before hearing more than one person's opinion on a subject (twitter, tiktok, msm....)
Thank you sir
can anyone explain to me what the bell means?
@@Ellebeeby ty
Where are the opponents' speeches? Curious to hear what they have to say
It’s on the channel. Just look up “America is institutionally racist”.
Shes too used to a crowd snapping their fingers at her. She engaged them more than him.
Not entirely; we do to a degree have some institutionalized racism but it is not codified and therefore institutionalized into law. It comes in the form of particular political entities that would have everyone believe that blacks are incapable of making their own lives and therefore require constant subsidy, welfare and reparations payments to get ahead. Such a system is a system of perpetuated failure and so they are kept down by buying into the belief that those who purport to be their benefactors but are instead buying and ensuring fealty.
Opinion is not fact
Correct, which is why what I state is the fact of the matter.
Well worded
The only institutionalized racism I see in America is coming from left-wing politicians and their media and entertainment henchmen. Politicians and the liberal media are keeping the monolithic identity of blacks as former slaves - victims of their past - alive in order to create a large group of people chained to the left-wing political cause. They turn blacks into ideological slaves - chained to repressive entitlement programs. They become your crutch - you can't walk without them. They proverbially herd blacks like cattle into a pen to appeal to their sensitivity - "we understand you - we are on your side - we will take care of you - yada yada yada.' By doing this they ensure their devotion and by consequence they create a large voting block. A 'block' . . . not 'individuals'. That's what identity politics is all about - you're not an individual, you are just blacks - attached to the past. In the entertainment industry: black history month is TOTALLY racist. Successful white people are honored for their accomplishments; successful black people are honored for their accomplishments because they are black people who had to jump hoops to be successful - because America's horrid past. In other words, according to the left, black people cannot be successful simply by virtue of being brilliant men and women - like white people can. They are not allowed to let go of the past! Oh heaven forbid! The left has to keep their success shackled to a torrid past in order to keep racism alive - all to ensure blind devotion to a large voting block. When will all black people wake up and see this? The left keeps trying to pamper them into a corner. Current left-wing ideology is a dirty, sneaky form of segregation. They keep racism alive by playing nice, nice to them - they are wolves in sheep clothing. It's actually quite embarrassing that many have not woken up to this reality yet.
spot light no one is denying the existence of racism silly.
The likes/dislikes on this side of the debate are in stark contrast to that of that opposition.
Damn
Did they only let black people argue this? Sort of assumes what it seeks to establish? Still, it's more persuasive coming from them.
Not really...The third speaker from the opposing side is a White Male
Watching in June 2020.
I wonder what he would’ve thought about trump
Oh boy lol
2:05 Who said "irredeemably"?
Bravo mate!
That chick was insta triggered
THAT woman again.
That 'lady' is a child.
I agree.
One of the things i hate is when you see woke black people in brittian that havent even lived the experienced of the united states want to speak for people who have witnessed those experiences
Various Brief Thoughts:
1. Mr. Hicks was a curiosity to most of the lineage ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves)* and something of a messiah to White conservatives and others who have forgotten, or couldn't care, that every effort it has made to effect collective self-determination has been met with violence and utter contempt. White Americans jealously protect their "default American" status and invented "identity politics" to enforce it. Via a political-economy centered in privilege, White Americans had access to capital and wealth creation, received housing and mortgages in areas with decent amenities and services, could enter all the professions and trades, its men received affirmative action (AA) in fact/de facto while its women obtained it by law/de jure.** Etc. Federal programs enabled a White middle class. ADOS couldn't catch up when it gained grudging access to them.
2. The opposite of "perpetrator" escapes Hicks, and causes him to gaslight the lineage. As an example, he speaks to crime in some ADOS sectors, failing to acknowledge the context making it predictable. White Supremacy (WS) has exacted debilitating tolls on ADOS. And still they rise/slowly. The lineage's resilience informs why they continue to make out-sized contributions to the political, economic, social and cultural life of America.
3. SYSTEMIC RACISM (SR) is the sum of the laws, policies, customs and attitudes (conscious and unconscious) which perpetuate the status-quo via Whites & ADOS. It's why households run by ADOS college graduates have less average net household wealth than ones headed by White American high school dropouts, and why fifty percent (50%) of ADOS household presently have none, for instance. The lineage also financed America's stealth economics. However, regardless race, most citizens don't know it, nor understand the dynamics making it possible, for American History as taught in its K-12 schools is (largely) white-washed.
*The lineage ADOS is a distinction with a difference compared with using Black American, African American, minority, and people of color, for example, which are overly broad terms.
**AA in college admissions in 2023 was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. A color-blind approach in service to the the U.S. Constitution's "equal protection" clause must be used henceforth. The majority on the Court couldn't care they had been receiving some form of AA since forever and a day, including feckless ADOS Justice Clarence Thomas and second-rate Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
With due respect. (KFB 073123)
3:10 If eliminating ALL racism is as futile as eliminating all germs, then why research the cures to diseases if we'll always have disease? We should always strive to minimize the effects of racism. As long as racism exists, certain groups of people will be unfairly affected by it.
Germs will never be eliminated. They’re integral to life. Do you know what happens when a babies environment is overly sanitized? Weaker immune systems and allergies. Diseases also CAN NEVER be eliminated, they’re part of the human condition. We can all strive to reduce the effects of disease and germs all while still acknowledging that we will never get rid of them.
@@Joy-xu9wk We seem to be on the same page but are drawing different conclusions. Yes, weakened immune systems are a side effect of sanitation but cleanliness ultimately improves everyones quality of life. We just have to maintain those clean conditions for everyone. I agree that racism will never disappear but again, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do all we can to fight against it. By the way, I prefer the term 'racial bias' because people can be subconsciously biased without having bad intentions. Our goal should be to eliminate the side effects of such bias.
frogjumpgood I agree with your last sentence. You can “eliminate the effects”. Humans are dynamic, no level of teaching can eliminate certain behaviors. Even in the best of conditions, theft, murder, jealousy, etc occur. So i think it’s important for us not to set ourselves up for failure with unreasonable expectations. Even the most likable person you can imagine probably has people who can’t tolerate them. It’s all just part of life. We can minimize the effects, but also be prepared to acknowledge that it’ll always be there. That shouldn’t be a source of discomfort, there are certain things we have to accept as part of the human experience living in nature. Even nature itself isn’t always harmonious, sometimes it’s violent.
@@frogjumpgood I don't think that you should just embrace without a second thought these new made up terms like for example "racial bias".
People are bias. Period. The fact that they might be bias because of race, age, sex/gender, looks etc. that's the second part of the story.
And you can't change their mind about it. In the same way you can't change someone's opinion just because you have a different opinion than him/her.
Embracing "racial bias" is, in my opinion, like saying that people are automatically racist and they don't even know about that. It's absurd. Really. Just think about it.
I would say to use common sense but nowadays apparently my common sense is not the same as with yours and certainly not as common as the name implies.
Also, all this stuff is just an (political) agenda. And this agenda is simply divinding people and labeling them. Once you label and divide people, it's easy to start conflicts.
"Divide et impera" - Divide and conquer.
WTF does a job have to do with POLICIES
5:11 his comments on police and racsim
@Justin Smith www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/
@Justin Smith And did you read my links?
@Justin Smith Justin, I grew up poor. I know exactly how poverty feels. Poverty is not an excuse to hurt people, destroy property, steal, shirk responsibility. See Knock Out game. See acting white.
That girl behind rolling her eyes...like..girl..you racist
A British woman arguing that America is racist?
The Borg cannot handle non assimilation.
What is the purpose of the woman ringing the bell? She can't even show him the respect of looking him in the face when she addresses him?
Stop interrupting everyone!!!!!! Why don't you try to actually listen.
we miss you joe
Can we cancel gang culture yet?
The Motion: This House Believes Your House, Oxford, and England is Institutionally Racist. Haha
50/13
Why is she so freaking jumpy? Doesn't she have a minimum amount of respect towards the platform if she doesn't have it towards her fellow opponents? Jesus Christ, I can tell she's a "progressive."
I can tell you're a "gamer"
@@michadewandeler4028 Wrong. I used be, long time ago.
@@michadewandeler4028
I can tell that you didn't had a better insult to say. Or maybe you thought that calling someone a "gamer" is an insult in itself.
@@mozarth
What happened?
Sounds good to me. Problem solved.
Compare American speaker in the union to British ones. It just doesn’t feel that they fit in the type of debate.
No class whatsoever. Throw her out of the room.
Mr. Joe R. Hicks argument was vague, single person events and without specific examples of large group social examples. his argument was disingenuous. Unlike Mr. Donald Mayfield Brown who names the institutions and explains how the racism manifest it's self and he provided very real life examples of systemic racism in the United States.
Yes it is....I win
I have watched the David Webb video from this same video debate. I have just finished watching this video, my questions:
1. What about the Black American women and men who are walking to their own car or home or in a store and are questioned by neighbors or police (someone called the police on them)?
2. You mention about racial microaggressions. It seems like this is a new term for you so I wonder, from your experience as a Black American Man you have no experiences like what I have described? What about buying a home? What about looking to get a business loan from a well-known bank that helps with these types of loans (have you heard about J.P. Morgan in the past year with denying Black American businessman with setting up high-profiled business accounts and loans?) Especially since you were born and raised in Jim Crow law/Segregation just as were my parents.
(Last week I had seen the video of the FBI Agent (a Southern Sudanese American) who was racial profiled and almost arrested by two police officers; he tried to speak to them but they would listen to him until one of the police officers had to look at his identification twice to believe what he had seen. And the man asked to immediately speak to their top supervisor and asked for all of their names to send a complaint about how they do their jobs.)
Thank you for posting.
@Sean Alexander Thank you for the correction of the job.
How racist it was for a black man with white privileges ignore the black woman trying to interrupt his lecture. I do wish they would have let her make her comments at the end and his responses. I strongly suspect she would have been made to look like a fool.
That woman is out of line, she always interrupts almost everyone...
brotha look like Gandhi