Arthur Mutambara | We Should NOT Embrace a Closer African Union (4/6) | Oxford Union
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The motion: This House Would Embrace An Ever Closer African Union.
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You all must be out of your damn minds to schedule and set the so called debate in Oxford. Brainwashed intellectuals. I would rather listen to this under an African tree or baobab. Did the Europeans go China to form or debate about the EU? This is ridiculously childish and laughable As far I am concerned.
That debate should have been on African soil.
He would have been suicided.
It also happened
Presidents don't mind presiding on hungry citizens for sure. You are very right. We need a United States of Africa
Thank you. That is the only WAY!! Divided we fall. Together, we shall RISE!!!
Nyerere won over Kwame Nkrumah because Nyerere belongs to the Monrovia group. Africa lost because the Casablanca group ( Ghana, Egypt, Guinea, Mali, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia ) lost the vote of African unity in 1963. Today, we can all see that Nyerere was wrong and Nkrumah was right.
And it is too late now.
People thought Nyerere was a genius but I also think Nyerere was captured just like his friends Mandela, Mugabe, Kaunda and Kamuzu. Nkurumah was the man he was deadly
Nyerere was pushing the agenda of the colonialists that's why he was also widely celebrated. We should just be careful of African leaders who are celebrated and respected by western powers I. E Paul Kagame
True. That is the only thing I don't agree with of Nyerere.
French imperialism fractured that vote even more with the Brazzaville group as well, I.e. African French speaking states. Ridiculous though for African territories to join together based on a foreign language.
We are proud of you Mtambara keep on speaking on behalf of us
All the videos I have been listening to are advocating for a United Africa, one Africa, because it was divided and conquered. One Africa please.
They're all agreed on a united Africa but as usual human beings have to squabble over whose approach is right
From the outside looking in: There's a reason the Berlin Conference was in Berlin.
Keep our brains working Arthur Mutambara Sir! Brilliant
I was a bit concerned about the Title but after listening i *COMPLETELY* agree with his statement..
Even myself
Why are we debating in Oxford?
The idea that we give Presidents too much power is why we still sit at the rock.
exactly
I agree. Why is this debate about the future of the continent being held in a colonial institution? Arthur Mutambara's argument is based on colonial perspective. Is this the prequel of the Berlin Conference 2? The Continent should determine its own future amongst its own people.
Can you please say this again... but LOUDER!
CRAZY AS HELL!
Because Oxford Union cared to organise it! Which African institution has bothered to stage something like this?
African started on a bad footing from the word go! It is not academic debate that propels a nation to the top. Rather it is the resolve and focus of its leadership! Africa will never unite through debates not especially in a bourgeois institution like Oxford university. What Africa needs is an African peoples' revolution! No amount of international conferences or economic development projects can bring African together as one country! Only an African revolution can do that for there are issues at stake. The question is how to start the revolution. And I think that's what every Panafricanist should be reflecting on.
Agree 100%
i support your point 100%
the dialectic
The resolve and focus on leadership.
You are correct my friend
marcus garvey ideology lives on..
Great idea but very difficult to do at this point in time. I think forming five federations of North, south, east, west and central Africa would definitely work, with one president for each federation. Right now in existence is the east African federation. The different leaders switches turns to be president of the federation. I think this can absolutely work.
That is exactly the Nyerere model that he rejected and I get his point. Fair enough in theory we should build it up slowly but:
1. Multiple other interests will worm their way into the various politics and slow the process down to a halt (which is what we are seein now as every member state drags its feet towards implementing the unification of that various regions).
2. We are better off ripping off the bandage and starting off the state now then spending the next 2, 3 or 4 decades ironing out the differences and integrating the various nations into a singular nation state.
Very good and valid points Professor ,,,I love your thinking
I support your argument brother! You're no doubt the best in the debate. African Unity Now!
We must unite as Nation
United States of Africa. One president, one currency. It will take years and blood will be shared but it will create a nation. Less corruption and we may be able to keep our rich products. Eg minerals that are currently being owned by others continent. I'm behind it.
That would be too much for any 1 president I'm more in favour of a federation
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I'M PROUD OF YOU. SUPPORT FROM NIGERIA.
This speech is one of the best speech I heard in a long time.the united state of Africa is the only way will be strong
They broke you into small pieces in order to manage you very easily. 😂😂😂😂
I thought he's opposed to the unity at first but later got him right, he delivered a very fundamental statement we all ought to do as Africans if we want to benefit from our own resources, the reason we are losing our mineral resources and other raw materials to the east and Western countries is bse of the the issue of Presidents he talks about
What a great thought bringing African continent, Cradle of our human culture as one whole cultural home to all ethinical groups.
I stand with this one giant nation of Mega-African Diaspora, where every one can be benefited by exchange of all the wonderful knowledge and embrace mother africa's resources for us, and not for just few corporate capital crazy mafias.
Thanks for bring this great narrative on the table, Mr. Mutambura
Well articulated argument Prof.👏🏽
It should be a referendum on the entire continents for one president united of Africa
He's right but that's going to be difficult. People don't give up power easily. Power tends to yield to power.
Let the dialogue rolls on, its the beginning of a Vision
We don't need the approval of Europeans for a united Africa. We need to move speedily as people to form one Africa, the Caribbean should not be left out.
💯Agree with you fam, and that's the thing, East West impirialism dont want. We gotr step in
Guseni vakafamba apa, well articulated Prof!!!
I am enjoying this awesome 👍.
discuss.
You are right on brother!
We Africa must unite, no matter what it take
I believe it will happen sometimes I imagine why all this happen to our African county
Yeeeeesssssss Aurthor.......ITS SOOOOLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO. CLEAR......
All things are possible only if we believe that we can achieve.
Brilliant speech .You can be that president💯
I agree with Mutambara 🇿🇼about USA,we want one state in Africa,👏👏👏
I believe that whatever way Africa goes, so goes the African people across the planet. If Africa unites, every African across the diaspora will unite, if Africa remains separate then so will every African across the diaspora. What this gentleman just described were 54 men who care more about themselves, than the millions of Africans across the globe. It is men like these who keep Africa and African people in the conditions they are in today. I pray to see the day when Africa experiences it very last coup d'etat
Well argued Prof Mtambara
Great idea AGO
This man is amazing. He made a great point, why 55 presidents? I am just so sorry that this is a part of history and not current reality
Proud of you Prof Mtambara
Incrementalism doesnt always work, alot of the time quick and direct action is necessary to achieve goals.
hold this programs in africa next time please
This is awsome
I totally agree with him
United Africa will happen with or without you.
One Africa One Ppl One currency One Passport for all Africans and One Army One millitary on Africa unity will be Africa superpower! My wish is to see a United State of Africa and Ethiopia as it's Capital 🙏🏿
🤣🤣 why Ethiopia?
@@adolphdube3763 Ethiopia is the credle of civilization and the center of the equator the first human on earth was in Ethiopia
Thumbnail looks like a Bond villain 🤷🏿♂️🤣
Very good!!! Debate
My problem with an African Union is just with the leaders😤. How can we be sure these corrupt🤑 leaders won't carry their corrupt nature of greed, selfishness, etc. over to the AU. To whom much is given much is expected, so if they can't even be willing to be self-disciplined😇 enough to handle their individual countries properly with their peoples' well-beings in mind, how can we even REALISTICALLY expect them to swear or promise they would do better on an even larger one. I think an African Union in these times is a very CARELESS and FOOLISH move. The corrupt leaders who know their ulterior motives in office only satisfy them at the expense of the livelihoods and well-beings of the very people they should be serving, CAN NOT and probably NEVER be noble enough to abdicate their positions for others who are better suited for those roles(meritocracy ). Otherwise, impeach the corrupt leaders before they make Africa's problems worse👎 in an African Union😔🙏 Please
Mutambara says it for me!! Yes!!
The dream would be for this idea to be realised sooner than later.
Yes I agree United Africa, mean a United States of Africa, long over due we must make it happened.
There has been to much talk and debates over African Continental Unity for too long. Lets just take the plunge - afterall other peoples of the world have done same with spectacular results.
Africa is not country We never been one and will never be one country . thanks Gad .
Start with a Constitution.
Ambidexterity is the highest union for self-revolution....
let us have this debate in Africa. In Nairobi for example
He is completely right is the greed of our those people in power that’s is stoping this idea but if they were to lol further into the future this idea could simply mean that Africa would have important position in the world’s economy.
These points are ground breaking. United States of Afrika
Beautiful saying and good idea but the topic should be in Africa.
The idea of building a United States of Africa without first building a strong African Union is an impossible idea, and I think a lot of this participants arguments show us that. If all these other large countries he names spilt blood to build their countries, then we must take a different path without bloodshed and that path starting with the African Union is the African way.
He I Very Correct but What He Didn't Mention Is The Men Or Women That Are Currently Presidential In The Countries Of Africa Need To Be Head Governors Of That Country That Way We Don't Lose Great Leadership
Genius
For my case Prof. Matambara should give details of the how and the what In Uganda Pan Africa means means perpetual dictatorship and the wrong side of history.
Good luck
I fear the chaos of the a blanket move to universal AU. How will the leader be chosen? If we were to fight like America did would the fight ever end with tribalism still rife? Are the examples really relevant in the face of the sheer number of tribes in Africa? We need our own blueprint. Smart people should gather and plot viable paths forward. Ideas that a majority can get on board with. If people are to relinquish national identity then the proportion should look resoundingly better and the blueprint should be conceivable to many not just a few intellectuals.
this man is funny
A good argument to the wrong people actually people who wont make this happen.
U forget to call Lumumba. He is presently the most knowledgeable guy on this after the death of their great leader Nkrumah.
How can we debate this in the midst of the imperialist,suprisingly one of them is chairing the debate ?this should be done among only and solely Africans.are we doing that to show our intellect or we're doing this out of ignorance....
Case made
ONE UNITED AFRIKA ♥ IS THE KEY TO AFRIKAN LIBERATION, WE MUST ORGANIZE AND UNITE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CHILDREN, UNTIL AFRIKA IS FREE NO BLACK MAN OR WOMAN WILL EVER BE,AFRIKANS WORLDWIDE MUST UNITE!!
One president one currency is the key. forward
The debate is a monotonous discussion. It is a group of men talking about leading Africa and history repeats it's self because we went to our colonial violaters and doing so while missing a key link:feminine energy. People cannot be led like this.
Women are treasures and men are advisers.
We never learn maybe because there are no books to spot mistakes easily.
I agree!!! "Feminine energy" as you put it, has been quite effective in Rwanda.
Arthur is a Trojan horse 😂
Is there any Able honest Leadership in Africa capable of true self Government
Yes, there is. If Trump can do it then we can.
Colin latimer ----- please no rhetoric needed here.
Colin latimer----- yes we do, you better believe that, and if They're corrupt leaders in Afrika, they are influenced and motivated by corrupt western governments who are the puppet master, but its coming to an end.
colin latimer look up confessions of an economic hit man. The west kills or over throws just African leaders because it wants to continue to plunder Africa.
If Africa could slowly to move to be like the European Union without the bureaucracy and single currency that would be good. Just free movement of goods and labour
Yet, Europeans hate the European Union...
@@MG-iy1oh of course a certain percentage do, but is there evidence the majority feel that way? It seems like they have an issue with external immigration but not that many people want to move to Africa as most of it is poor. My point is that Africa can learn from Europe on what not to do
Very eloquent man. I like his points but and I think it would work (eventually) but you’d never get all the Northern African countries that identify with the Middle East so strongly to join easily.
That's not true because the northern countries were the main once that wanted a United Africa.....like Tunesia, moracco, Egypt and Libya. They all wanted a United Africa the most.
@@abukamara5538 those people don't identify themselves as Africans. You are very correct.
This would be a great thing if it could be possible oh, there's a lot of wrist and doing great things for black people and he hasn't mentioned the biggest one white man will not allow it to happen they don't want it to happen they would fear if it happen to have a United Africa Lord have mercy, that would change the world for the first time in history black people have to be respect it looked at In a Different Light included in major world events, for the first time black people would have power that they never experienced in recent times. It would be like God returning back to the Earth. Unfortunately historically black people aren't known for working together for common cause, that's why I a lot of black businesses don't thrive oh, that's why there's not a lot of Fortune 500 black owned businesses. Everybody wants to be the boss but you got to run your country sometimes like a business and its individual has a role that day play to make whatever you trying to achieve better as a whole.
Awesome
How dare you bring us to your table to discuss our problem created by same you.
Africa is too huge to unite but maybe 3 or federal governments
United States of Africa... Who will be d president.. It's not possible there will be alot of blood
United countinent of africa.
His argument is not valid and baseless. We must UNITE Great continent.
One United States would be the best.
Today history judges Nkrumah right and Nyerere wrong
Don't embrace Africa, you ask people to embrace this Tiny British island?😏
Indian population is 1.42 billion brother.
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Why Oxford?
Most important question that could ever be asked.
Free speech allowance?
You've got it right sir, one Africa. It is in the interest of foreign imperialist including the Arabs, to keep Africa separated. The Arabs have already occupied North Africa. Please Africans we need to be one. National soveignty for African states is a con.
Not America (abusive) but the USA. America is a continent not a country. The USA don't represent the rest of their continent. Venezuela, Brazil, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica, Mexico, Argentina etc etc are also America!
This people are joking having this important debate in Europe not Africa makes it laughable 😃
The USA never had 50 presidents; China and India never had several presidents either.
Great discourse but a couple of notable falws. One, drop the "United Sates" wording and call it "The Republic of Africa"...two, discuss reparation only in terms of arms including nuclear weapons.
I think Arthur Mutambala needed to differentiate African Unity from African Union
But he did exactly that!
I feel like these Africans are forgetting about the Arab nations that are more connected to the Arab world. Remember that Egypt and Syria was one state very recently.
I don't think we should unify with them, we see the recent enslavement in Libya, and we see their expansion into interia Africa. Their objective is to steal your hearts, head, and minds, through the political platform of Islam, by deceit, strategem, or murderous mischiefs. Africa, don't be fooled, for you have been for over fourteen hundred years. No some even hybredize themselves into miserable mutts,band are claiming to be Arabs, nonsense. But we know the mischiefs, so do not build with untempered mortor, don't unite with your historical adversary, who continue to trouble you to this day.
@Sh Sh yeah why? Many africans do not consider themselves africans. That was the point of my comment. So you african unionists need to pipe down.
@@cujoemblakka1041 calling people mutts is a piece of shit thing to do. Libya founded the african union as I recall.
@Sh Sh TELL EM!!!
We can't unite because the Islamic religious beliefs are held too conservative. I'm not saying conservatism is bad it's just this religion normally refuses assimilation with other religions and so there will be conflicts. It has always been so and is still so.
By the way, i respect the Islamic religion.
My interest is not on all these talk shows but stepping on which ever fucking toe neccessary to start implementation of United states of Africa, let the sheep stay as sheep let the crooks & thief's stay as they are. The secret is now open, power must change hands to another.
The FACT that he is wearing a EUROPEAN SUIT lets you know he is NOT AFRICAN in CONSCIOUSNESS only in COLOR and that does not matter!
Listen to what he says not how he's dressed.
Its sounds good to say united Africa but that's a dream that will remain a dream not because of western powers but selfish greed of Africans.
What proposition was he arguing for again?
It's pie in the sky.
Exactly🤔
Why the white lords are there or better said why are there a debate with blacks lol ?
Should blacks argue in the whites house?
This is bull sht. We have our cultural traditions and identity with various indigenous nations