Salman Khurshid | Partition of India Debate | Opposition (4/6)
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Thursday 1st March 2018.
The Motion: This House Regrets The Partition of India.
Salman Khurshid continues the case for the opposition, as the fourth speaker of six in the debate.
Motion Carried.
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Chidambaram was denied bail back then for anyone curious.
This is how the core topic is to be avoided. Salman is worried about Muslims in India (we all should be concerned about well being of all citizens) rather than the hundreds of thousands who lost their lives. The debate is not about if there should be reunification now, but it about should Indian Congress party and British should have allowed the partition in the first place. No wonder his party did so.miserably in the latest elections.
What's your view on the current situation in India? What most of us(non India,asians) get is contradictory. How do you see it and it's impact on Indians?
@@Klopp2543 there are many who work against India. Hence you will hear reports of violence after violence, basis of religion ofcourse! But these incidents are just a few selectively picked narratives of the many incidents in India, to frame India under the umbrella of being violent and unsafe to minorities.
If Indians were truly biased then why would they be violent, on the basis of religion they hold a overwhelming majority so to crush a minority you do not need violence, but well proposed and biased economic and education policies to deprive certain communities (the greatest example is US, they hold a much smaller majority compared to India, yet they dominate )
From the west, to some in Islamic world people continue to work in favour of disunity within India. Clear from the actions of China 1962, America 1971, Britain (during partition), not gonna mention Pak and Turk actions. But I cannot complain the world has never been free and fair, and should not be.
The actions of a community is heavily influenced by the culture, way of life, religion, geography etc...For India all the 4 before mentioned promote or incline to peace. (For example large fields of arable land promotes collectivism over violence, geography physically blocks Indian armies to move out of the sub continent hindering influence, religion is too fragmented to form violent right wing and at the same time is heavily structured to be non-violent) Hence any type of massive violence on any community on any basis is tough to implement.
To make India violent you need to hit at the sweet spots, that is the major rivers, or the northen plains, making many people angry or stirring a major crisis , resulting in violence.
If you really want to see India, then visit India maybe in a decade or so, when the streets will be better and cleaner. (hopefully)
Another subject similar to India, is Persia.
Feel free to criticize if you disagree.
It's Hindus in Pakistan and Muslims in India are biggest casualty of Partition.We are still suffering from the wounds of partition.I am an Indian Muslim and I can sense anger against Pakistan is turning towards us whenever a terrorists attack happen. Indian Muslims should exhibit their patriotism loudly otherwise they will easily get anti national tag. This situation is becoming worsening as Hindutva politics is having a fast growth in India.
You had me upto hindutva politics.....not just partition.....its history of tyrannical Islamic invaders is why this country hates them...there is no accountability from muslim leadership of the past atrocities.... muslims in india enjoy freedom more than any other country.
You are 100% right. That's why Jinnah said on partition day, indian muslim will spend their whole life whole proving their loyalty for India
@@chemophile14Then they should have migrated as well.
Why did they remain behind?
@@parjanyashukla176 ask them by yourself
@@chemophile14I know the answer already.
That's why BJP and RSS exists.
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May I recommend a book
Heartbreak Passage
by Lambert Mascarenhas at age 100
now 106
from Goa in India
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He is the oldest Freedom Fighter of Portuguese Goa
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Is that a reading competition
Monty Pythons natural circus! All these speakers have no touch with average humanities in India !
@@chiraranjanbakshi3877 Exactly.
Why muslims majority nations are not secular and most not democratic must be debated.
Islamic Nations of Central Asia some jn North Africa and south East Asia are secular.
@@sudhirkulkarni5530 Please name these secular nations.
@@pravinmhapankar6109 Muslim Countries are not secular because the first priority is the relligion
@@itx.ibr6him Same manner India itself should not declared Secular.
@@pravinmhapankar6109 Their Choice
If I was living in 1940s,most probably I would be against partition but now I can't imagine India and Pakistan unites. Partition is a reality and I accept it.
The Congress in order to fulfil its secular credentials and not to be seen as a Hindu sympathizer gave lots of incentives to the minorities in India, this resulted in the counter argument of the majority being left as they are, which obviously you see was a direct result of partition. And moreover terrorism in the name of jihad was also a contributing factor
@@truthseeker327 Why always look at Muslim terrorism, and avoid Hindu extremists chopping Muslims to bits?
Selective bias?
"A Population History of India: From the First Modern People to the Present Day" is a book by Tim Dyson. It estimates a million people died during partition and it even cites that this figure is too low.
The majority of Muslims of India chose Pakistan! They just didn't move to Pakistan after partition. Jinnah's daughter spent her life in India.
Anti-indianism was far less among Muslims Punjabis in the 1940s compared to muslims of Bihar, Bengal and UP.
Professor Slughorn-ji?
I as an indian see the dream of Indian subcontinent which was horribly divided and looted by the European especially British one day we will reunite and we will take revenge our colonial past especially from the British
Let's stop fighting within ourselves first
I am happy that partition happened and Islamists left... That's why secularism survived in India
good joke
India is as much theocratic!
Love life Indian had the largest and now the second largest Muslim population compared to any other country.
Ernie Lepcha
That's the impact of Islamo Marxism...They grew from 9% in 1947 to 14.26 percent while in Pakistan Hindu population decreased from 10% to 1%.
Love life I fail to see how is that a bad thing if you live in India. That shows that India is a better Democratic Republic. Besides India is a Secular country, you should rejoice in the fact that you live in a country with multi cultural Indigenous people who observe their own religions and are able to prosper.
If there were to have been a separate state for India's Muslims, it should have been in Uttar Pradesh, because that has always been the centre of Islamic Indian civilisation. The grand cities of Delhi, Agra and Lucknow with sites like the Taj Mahal were all examples of Indian Muslim culture. Instead the Muslim state had to be in the Punjab and Bengal, two areas of India that were not the centre of Islamic Indian civilisation.
Good point. But then comes point that Uttar Pradesh is also epicenter of Hindu Culture. Please don't forget religious centers of Hindus as well as Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, etc. are scattered throughout the Indian Subcontinent.
More like Islamic imperialist civilisation. Completely alien to india.
So Pakistan should have been created in a Muslim minority area?
Wow it's incredible. Hats off Sir.
Good man
I have no reservation with Indian people, but could they not get a single Pakistani to make the case for partition. I felt that those arguing for not regretting partition were not actually familiar with the events and examples that those in favour of partition use to make their case. The first opposition speaker was rather hopeless anyway.
It's a token discussion. Partition was backed by substantial demand from both sides of the population. It doesn't make any sense to undo what has already been done. The only thing our respective population can do is make our regions worth living for and worth living in.
I agree with you, and I would like to mention the fact that a lot of Pakistani people (including myself, but mostly older people like my father who was 58 when he died) believe that partition was a sad and tragic affair which should have been avoided. But it should be mentioned that the supporters for partition had many logical and substantiated arguments against a united India which I believe were not done justice to in this debate. Mr Gandhi mentioned some of them but made a mistake when he said that Muslim league wanted to make a sharia law country, when in fact almost all Islamic scholars like Maududi and Azad opposed partition for their own reasons. They used to refer to Jinnah as Kafir-e-Azam!.
U are run by a sychotic army generals
this is what happens when you study in a madrasa.
I agree with you bro! Most people regret partition, at least in India. Do most people regret partition in Pakistan?
Not single RW invited..
Is this debate can be fair
freedom never came because of Gandhiji first let these elites realize that..
Then
To ascribe the freedom to only mahatma gandhi and indian national Congress is wrong.Gandhi and congress participated in the national movt but thier movts and actions did not result ,it was a result of a long struggle and many movts like INA and brave people like bhagat singh and the armed struggle. The INA and its trials and resulting mutiny in indian military forces finally achieved freedom,it was glossed over in history books for political gain of congress. I guess history is it's own revenge seeing the present state of the party.
This partition debate has arisen post the Soviet collapse. The world should not forget that the UK and the US openly and pretty brazenly supported the 1971 genocide and rape of Bengali (now Bangladeshi) civilians by the Punjabi Muslim army. Where was the concern for violence and rape then? Was even that related to religious differences - both sides were actually Muslim. Or was it about who's the "better" Muslim? No, it was just about having a lever in the subcontinent which could be pushed and pulled as and when required.
Let's see if the Oxford Union could also organise a debate over the 1971 war. But obviously that would never happen.
The real reason why some Westerners and their Punjabi Muslim coolies stirred this debate after 1991 is because the US-led capitalism-induced, modern globalization has made the US-UK cabal to go crazy and unfettered. It is unable to navigate the various power centres in the Indian subcontinent and would like the country to have remained united, BUT, subservient to the West as a whole, where its puppet Punjabi Muslim elite could be conveniently installed. Obviously this would never happen, even in Punjab, let alone the whole of the Indian subcontinent.
This is also the reason why Sikhs never even feature in these partition debates, despite the partition line actually being drawn right across their core territory. Because the Sikh perspective will puncture the premises and assumptions of the whole discussion and expose its malafide intentions.
did salman khurshid just accept that india has been fighting proxy wars with Pakistan? 6:12
Dude he talked about pakistan who have waged proxy war on india in Kashmir..
Yes, all world knows the theory of bleeding India by the thousand cuts perpetuated by Pakistan.
Afzal patil..beakkal
Religious conflict not Jinnah and savarkar or British responsible for partition
Maharaja NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three Vice-Roys of India wrote in his book that in 1934 the British had decided to create a separate country where the British Army would stay in case India would get independence. The British army would secure the route from SuezCanal to Australia and also they resist the entry of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.The British employed three agents Gandhi, Jinnah and Ambedkar io execute their plan. Gandhi refused to accomodate Fazal Ul Haq of Bengal, Allah Bux of Sindh, Sikander Hyat Khan of Punjab, Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan of NWFP and Khan of Kalat of Balochistan. Ambedkar was against the freedom of India always. Jinnah was promoted by the British.Gandhi even in 1943 prepared a Partition Plan. He gladly accepted the British proposal without any opposition.
source?
Comparing India s partition with Pak Bangladesh and USSR indicates puesdo intellectualism. And the analogy is total bullshit. I don't see harmony between India and Pak.
Issue - 2 people wanted to become prime minister of a country..
Solution - create two different posts for two prime ministers
Respect to those who chose secular India over theocratic Pakistan.
+yash sandhu Lol Pakistan isn't theocratic. Theocracies oppose WMDs.
India is theocratic
+Yoo Yo What?
+TheClubshaker No but it isn't secular either.
Tasin Al-Hassan India is just a violent Hindu state 😂😂
Salman sir is grt person
Khurshid must be complimented for his convictions. However his points really do not really adhere to common sense.
Where were the huge Hindu-Muslim friction and riots prior to partition? There were none prior to 1935.
Last but not least, Hindus were increased as a percentage of its population after the partition in the new nation of India. Yet did the new Indian nation become more repressive and dominant of Muslims after its independence? The answer is a resounding no. No one will question that the Muslims in India are more free and prosperous than the Muslims are in Pakistan.
Worst uninspiring speech among all was Khurshid...typical politician.
Idiot...I am an Indian but not a nationalist.
Dont be under the impression that salman Khurshid is a MUSLIM leader. None in his family including him or his two sister of any of their children are married to muslims, rather to non-muslims. They pretend to be muslim to get your muslim votes.They are worst then other people. Honestly his speech was uninspiring and boring, below the standard.
Thier actions are the proof of tier deeds. Dont be dumb , open you eyes and ears and Judge. Dont be fool by these hypocrites. They dont serve anyone rather themselves. List me things this person has done for people??? and I will list you the things he has done to promote himself.
Idiot, I know the family as we are distant relatives and from the same village. I also know the girlfriends and boyfriends of Khurshid and his sisters sons and daughter...non of them are Muslim. The entire family is ruined.
msiddiqui135: _"None ... of their children are married to muslims, rather to non-muslims."_
Perfect! They must have remembered their Hindu great great grand parents, who converted due to torture, sex slavery or the heavy burden of jizya tax imposed on them as Hindus. They are coming back home from a political ideology sold as a religion - a fake one, which hasn't even a verse of spirituality in its scriptures! Check your DNA too ... or ask granny what happened in the past.
The fact that Mr.Khurshid is an India and he is not just any Indian but an accomplish political leader of the country, invalidate the very basics of partitions...
Please dont start a debate with such stories...
Just to manage time😂😂
These stories are often seen in UN
view of enemies of India
OH yes you are a real true patriot #Bhakt
The fact that in 2018 people are killed for eating beef is why the partition was good
I can’t really imagine how my brothers with these people may Allah safe guard them
Pretty sure a few deaths among 20 million muslim brothers does not turn my country into a basket case like yours. Although those deaths must be taken seriously
3 million Bengali killed and 4 lakh women's where raped by west pakistan muslim proves Islamist can't co exist with anyone even co religionist .....
Lynching and burning alive hindus sikh and Christian in name of fake blasphemy is true faceof Islam
Ask this man to eat a cheeseburger in India in some of the North Indian states and he will find out how secular India is!
Looks like you have never been to North India 😂, except beef you will get everything here. Secularism doesn't mean you should not respect other religions just like freedom doesn't mean you should take law into your own hand.
Mohit Dhanwani Looks like you have never eaten a Cheeseburger in your whole life cuz if you had you would know that a typical cheeseburger has a beef patty. In true secular democracies people can choose to eat whatever they want and whatever they don’t! Now coming to your point about respecting other people’s religion, it would be disrespectful if a Hindu is asked to eat beef but nothing disrespectful about consuming it yourself if you’re not Hindu!
@@naumanshah5019 Yes it's so respectful and secular of you to kill and eat cows which are considered holy by Hindus. This secularism never comes into play when woman rights are being violated or when they are not allowed to go to school. But secularism comes into play when Govt decided to abolished 3 Talak and bring a common law for all religions.
Mohit Dhanwani Then why do you export beef to other countries? I guess when you’re making money off of it, then it’s okay. Secondly, idol worship is not permissible in Islam, as a matter of fact, it’s the biggest sin you can commit. Does that mean, I should stop all the Hindus from going to Mandar? The Quran says “There is no compulsion in religion”. People are free to practice whatever they want. If they choose to worship idols, then let them do it, it’s between them and God. Similarly if somebody chooses to eat beef, they should be able to do it cuz you consider Cow holy, they don’t! In a secular society, the state doesn’t tell people how they should follow their religion. If a Muslim couple wants “triple talaq” as their basis for divorce, because it’s part of their religion, then let them do it. Nobody has the right to interfere in their business! As far the issue of women not going to schools, that’s just pure ignorance and it happens in some ignorant Hindu families in the villages too. Any way, why are we even discussing this issue, this has nothing to do with the subject matter. You’re trying to sidetrack us by committing whataboutism?
@@naumanshah5019 Height of hypocrisy it's part of Islam let them do it but if something else is part of someother religion you are not secular. What kind of logic is it. You say Islam doesn't restrict anyone from idol worship then why is it against the law in many of the Arab countries to do the same in public and what if the same counties I want to eat pork will I be allowed to do so. Many things are written in Islam but how many are actually followed and how many are twisted by others so that it can benefit them.
And lastly regarding the export of beef, most of the states exporting beef are in the south like Telangana, West Bengal and Tamil Nadu where beef consumption is legal where as in the most of the Northern states its illegal to consume beef so if you are not respecting Hinduism its fine but atleast respect law.
Pakistan was created by Muslims of UP Bihar MP and Bengal and most of them supposed it but stayed here. Those muslims who went to Pakistan are repenting for their sins in a failed nation Pakistan. Muslims of India have not still learnt to live in peace as last incidence of violence in Bengalore proved. May be due that Islam is not compatible with secularism and democracy as we see today in Turkey only secular muslim nation in world proved.
I DON'T WANT REUNIFICATION OF BAKISTAN & BANGLADESH INTO INDIA. BUT WOULD LIKE NEPAL TO MERGE INTO INDIA BOTH BEING HINDU MAJORITY COUNTRIES
Pakistan - a macarbe dream becoming reality.
Worst one
Sabriyah Saeed you spoke about British Raj separation not independence India,Let me tell you Bengal was the First Political place where hibernated political thoughts & ideology But Later the politics was took over by Three Gujrati Jinnah,Gandhi & Patel,Later Nehru joined with them after losing Mughal Empire,except Aurangzeb who was cruel to Sheik not only that he was very bad with his sister,who murder her boyfriend who was a poet,Losing Mughal Empire Muslims was Backward,they didn't accept British Raj easily because of hypocrisy,cheater,looters,bandits,and so on.Hindu & sheik people took the chance to Learn Unglish or English.Most of the Hindus wanted to get out from Muslim ruler,they portrayed Sivaji as their ruler,now BJP Government put him as Hero of Hindustan,Barat or you want to call it as India ? Later Muslims accepted English & British ruled dividing role among the Hindus & Muslims.Now are born in UK you speak in English,if you are born in India I don't know which place your forefather migrated ? You should speak in those Language.Now Language & Culture of every ethnic people has a glorious history,Unfortunately due to Both Fundamentalist Brahmin & Maulana always wanted to create problems.All those riots occurred during British Raj & after separation is due to fanatic & Fundamentalism of Hindu & Brahmin.It is a shame both Pakistan & India,they MUST LEAVE KASHMIR immediately.and Free this state as independent sovereign country.Otherwise Both countries in near future will Loose many parts of their territory and will join with to make a Greater independent country in near future.It will occur within 10-15 years.I don't want to mention which will be seperated Like Berlin wall will Fall soon.Language & Culture is the First then comes religion.When Nabi Karim SWS went to Medina to Mecca he made an agreement with both Muslims & non Muslims,putting his hand on his chest on the right side he was telling" oh ! My Beloved Motherland I am returning my home,while he entered Mecca he uttered the word"Peace be with you"he never utter the word "You become Muslims"even during Mughal period their was a tolerance among Hindus & Muslims.Many Generals were Rajput & hindus,even Muslim Emperor married Hindu women.They put them as Queen,there are many instances and examples are there.So your conversation and Logic with time & years to come has nothing to do what will happen in near future ? Will India Pakistan or Bangladesh will change it's Geopolitical Map in the Global history ? But they will not merge with one state But there will be another states within this subcontinen
Mohammad Zubayer you mad
Mr Zubayer Bla.. Bla.. Bla..
Mr Zubayer don't bring your shitty Madina.
How the non-muslims were treated there is a well known fact
ruclips.net/video/TMY2YV9WucY/видео.html
www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history
thediplomat.com/2016/08/indias-hindu-right-is-correct-about-one-thing-indias-muslim-rulers-did-destroy-hindu-temples/
Jinnah was Al Bagdadi who created Islamic state
Einstein may have been a genius in his particular field but his knowledge of politics was sorely lacking.
Basterd, abhi aur pakistane chahata hai.
Gandu jab english samajh nhi aata h toh apne type ki videos dekha kar
He did not forget to attack on Hindutva and that itself speaks about his "Islamo-fascist" mentality. India should have become Hindu nation after partition but We fell prey to pseudo-secular Gandhi.
Lol you're an idiot.
The whole world remember and respect Gandhi even after soo long whereas nobody gonna even cry if you die today
Gaddar
Salman Khurshid is such a lacklustre speaker;-( On the contrary Ms Sayeed was admirable and passionate speaker.
India was never one country. Borders constantly change. The world will not accept a unified people from the Hindu Kush to the Bay of Bengal.
World has little say in it. People from region creates boundaries and follow them.
Look at issue of J & K and Ladhakh, world has little say in it. As it is bilateral issue between the two nations: One the legitimate successor of the land and the people i.e. the India and then other i.e. the Pakistan.
@@hrushikeshkale00 The current borders of the Indian state were not created by the the consensus of the people living inside the borders. The issue of Kashmir has been debated upon innumerable times in the UN. It is of course due to the bad decisions taken in the beginning by the Indian government/leadership at that time.
Little did the debaters know that soon India will be (‘Modi - fied’) into majority Hindu-Stan and it’s suppressed minorities, the very future that Mohamed Ali Jinnah was afraid of and therefore was determined to achieve Pakistan.
It wasn’t a debate about Pakistan and India . If there was a Pakistani spokesman then this Indian mentality of using any platform to demoralise Pakistan would never have worked. It’s just a shame that how mrsuleman used his words to add his own typical “mirch masala” against Pakistan .
Hello my friend, Compared to India how much has the Pakistani minority population grown over the years ?
There are no speakers from hundu mahasabha also who wanted an Islamic free india.
Sattva are you serious ? I think mently grown up is much more then India . Reply will be great on specification
It would be better if you reply in correct English so all of us can understand what you are contemplating, Thank you
Jabran Ali the first speaker was from Pakistan
Today Pakistan is a peaceful nation that respects minorities. Whereas, india is in the grabs of cow lynchings, ultra right wing hindu nationalism, and Muslims are being killed on the regular basis.
There have been MULTIPLE pogroms in post-partitioned india where thousands of Muslims were killed. No such thing happened with minorities in Pakistan (even though the situation is not perfect).
I am no fan of what's happening in india. It's becoming like Pakistan. You should consult this and crawl out of that rock. ruclips.net/video/BXIG9utlJko/видео.html
I first thought you were joking, but it seems you are serious
I just wanna state facts, check the demographics of both the country and compare it with what it was at the time of partition.