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Why I'm Returning the Alienware QD-OLED 360hz Monitor (AW2725DF)
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
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Don’t mind me. Doing the thing where I buy a very expensive monitor and then validate my purchase by watching reviews while it ships out.
Haha. I hope your unit comes perfect
i'm in the exact same boat. i really hope mine will be fine😢
I do the exact same thing.. debating between 1440p faster hz or 4K
honestly doing the exact same thing, How is it? Ill get mine next week.
you too? I've had mine for a 2 weeks, no issues as of yet. Love the monitor. Motion clarity is amazing, I'm actually foolowing roof jumpers in CODIII perfect, where before I couldnt on my 120 VA, well no where near the accuracy I have now. Thing is a beast, I actually pref this over my 65" LG CX TV when playing single player stuff.
I got mine 4 days ago and Ilove it! I upgraded from a 1080p 144hz so its a big upgrade. Stangely Ive sat in front of it for hours and havent had an issue with eye straining. I also changed the option to FPS which made it a bit brighter.
Glad to hear it’s not happening to everyone!
Better clear type, changing the system font to something bolder, and dark theme for every app possible helped with fringing for me.
I'm coming from an LG 34" IPS 160hz panel and I'm pretty happy with the AW2725DF so far. It's not quite as bright, but the colors, pop, HDR is sweet, and it's SO smooth in comparison. No eye strain so far, but I'll see how it goes throughout the coming week - I'm only on about day 3 now. I think I will keep the monitor, but it's good to know that all is not perfect, despite what you would see if you were watch only Badseed or LTT videos on it. Appreciate the honest review!
Glad to hear yours is working out for you!
Have you experienced any eyestrain since your last comment?
How do you feel about it now? I'm thinking of getting this in the future!
how do you feel after 3 weeks? is your monitor workign like new and still working? any eye strain?
Aye bro some update?
and here i was thinking about my life choices and how they lead me to have 4 mice and 3 keyboards.....then his guy comes along with his mice infested desktop lol
🐁
I’m planning on the 32” QD-OLED 4k for this year, then trading up my PG27AQN to a 480+ hz glossy OLED next year (there has to be one). Dual monitor life.
lemme know when that 480Hz Glossy OLED drops
Sitting here waiting for a 480hz OLED so I can sell my PG27AQN also!
You must only use your computer to play Dota and CS:GO.
I received mine yesterday with no issues. I played for about 8 hours and it performed flawless. No eye strain or flickering.
Hell yea!
Still no strain?
G-sync flickering?
No strain and I don’t use g-sync.
Ah man this is tough to hear! Saw so many good things about the previous Alienware 34in OLED that I was excited to possibly pick this one up. We will have to see what the offerings from other companies look like I guess. Hopefully they do not have the same issues. I guess the only good thing about this is the 3 year warranty that Alienware has would make it easy to get a new monitor.
Very true and the Alienware exchange process is super fast and easy from what I hear
I have this monitor and everything about it is awesome! The color, the response time, the customization is solid. Only downside is it’s capped at 144hz through hdmi which sucks for me because I stream and will eventually upgrade to the 2.1 capture card which can do 240hz. So I won’t be able to use the monitor at a higher refresh rate while streaming. So I feel I’m wasting the hz capacity on this monitor. Other than that it’s a great monitor.
360 wow! I'm currently playing on my 165hz AW3423DWF (thats ultrawide 3440x1440) and there isnt a ton of games that it can max out the fps, well not without dlss/fsr and whatnot.
Would be cool if you could test out the asus 2560x1440p 480hz hz monitor. how much do you care about matte vs. glossy? ive from the monitor guy that the protective film makes the asus one look glossy even though it's matte.
I just got my Alienware 2725df. I experienced the same eye strain and headache. Rgb on the 27 on the back was flickering and then there was a bubble between the antiglare coating and the screen. Loved it though until the eye strain started. Next level monitor though.
Agreed
Wondering if you have tried the 32" 4k version of this monitor eith by alienware or other companys using this panel. Would like to know if the eye strain is QD tech or maybe refresh rate. @FreshReviewsYT
@@aaronlassila1835 I haven’t unfortunately
Curved monitor + astigmatism can cause eye strain, I fall into this camp. I bought the 32" version of this monitor and I have a secondary flat monitor and it's a massive pain looking between the two. I'll be sending mine back and keep using my 42 C2 until flat versions of the 4k 240hz OLEDs release.
I think I have it in my left eye. Sucks
@@FreshReviewsYT PRK can cure astigmatism
Interesting. I have astigmatism too, and I find my 32" curved display actually easier on me than any flat display. It doesn't force my eyes to refocus as much when moving across the display. Unfortunately, preferring a curve limits my choices to almost exclusively VA panels, not including this particular (overpriced) OLED panel.
Had some eye strain when I first got my QD-OLED too, went away after ~2 weeks.
Amazing honest review!! Definitely not a paid review! Sub’d.
I purchased the 32" 4K AW 240hz as its a perfect size/resolution combination.
Im not an esports gamer so 240hz is way more then enough as i max out everything is 4K on a 4090, and still ill get 60-100fps at most.
To this RUclipsr: Just lower the brightness from 75 to 35 when not gaming. When gaming up the brightness.
Personally i get more eye strain on an ips.
Upsetting to hear. I have the PG27AQN and I love it, but I also have an LG 42" C2 in my living room that I watch movies on and play the occasional Forza sesh on (or any other game I like better with a controller). I wanted to combine the two, and was really excited for this. However, I just dont think OLED technology is there for monitors yet. QC issues are really apparent with these Samsung QD-OLED panels and W-OLED panels do not get bright enough. Then theres text fringing on desktop use, as well as the constant threat of burn in. Even though IPS isn't as good in terms of sheer quality; especially after this video, I still choose IPS over OLED.
I really do wish oleds got brighter 😭
Pretty sure it's because of the Quantum Dot filter.
I actually have an XV272UX from Acer ( 1440p 270hz IPS ) and i get headache and eyestrain everyday, even if i put sRGB mode or if I lower the color saturation, even the white point (blank page) tears my eyes out, yet I am at 10% brightness
Sheesh even on my lil tablet that Oled screen looks a tad better than that IPS above it. However, that could be due to gloss vs semi-matte finish. Damn I really gotta upgrade my monitor. Thanks for the review and comparison Freshy....woof.😊
Thanks doggie
blue light glasses? turn the blue light down on the monitor? are these not helpful?
this monitor is supposed to have the same "eye protection" technology as their IPS 280hz 1440p monitor that I own.
I bought this monitor today and it'll arrive next week. I'll update if I experience eye strain on it, as I've never had eye strain on any monitor EVER (or any screen for that matter, except my phone).
@@electroelysium2281 hey bro, did you end up experiencing any eye strain or no?
@@romanceasmr Nope. Used it for 10H+ a day since getting it and never had any eye strain.
This may be experienced by people with sensitive eyes I guess...
OLED for FPS games is for sure nice bcs of the minimal response time of the monitor. But it feels like the real advantage of an OLED is about single player games. Games with a beatiful crafted world where you can see the colors pop. Back then Ghost of Tsushima was a real treat to play on my QD-OLED TV. Even tho I feel that at times there was almost too much color pop. But thats more like a Samsung problem. For some reason when it comes to the TVs gaming mode they always brighten up the shadows and make everything just a bit too Korean for my taste
A lot of people in the comments are blaming one thing, but the fact of the matter is that monitor eye strain can be caused by A LOT of things and it varies from person to person. The anti-glare coating, polarization, the pixel structure, the brightness, the contrast, the color gamut, the motion blur, the stutter, screen brightness relative to the environment, the type of backlight, pixel inversion artifacts, etc. It's literally impossible to keep track of all of them. It all comes down to trying all kinds of different monitors until you find one that doesn't personally cause you eye strain.
So true!
Back when I switched from TN to IPS panel the eye strain was crazy but it really is just your eyes getting used to new stuff. Took me longer than a month to get used to it.
It can also be a matter of just adjusting to the new monitor. I switched from a XB271HU to a AW2721D Nano-IPS wide gamut panel and it torched my eyes for awhile. I actually wore gunnar glasses for a few weeks. After 6 weeks or so my eyes had completely adjusted to using the AW2721D and the eye strain went away.
I just replaced the AW2721D with the new 32" 4K version of this monitor and thankfully no eye strain to report.
@@henrygg295 It's not always a matter of getting used to it, cause there are a lot of people on the internet who still haven't gotten used to their monitor despite having used it for longer than a month. You can give a monitor a few days if you can tolerate the pain, but losing the option to return it by using it for longer than 30 days isn't logical.
@@Phil_529 does the OLED feel much faster and smoother?
Seems like we're in the same boat waiting for 480 Hz OLED, then.
I actually had a very similar issue with one of my older ZOWIE monitors - had to create a custom nvidia profile with a lower refresh rate just to be able to show an image, but since yours doesn't display anything at all, I'm sure it's a hardware issue. This really sucks.
W oled is better? I will I plan to buy an OLED as the only monitor and I don't know if QD OLED or W OLED is better.
What kind of eye strain was it?
Blurry eyes, Burny scratchy eyes, Mild headache, Woozy dizzy feeling, difficulty in focusing, mild nausea disorientation?
Was it because it was too bright? text was fuzzy? glossy coating?
Blurry vision and a bit of a headache feel behind the eye around the ear. Also at one point watery eyes after transitioning to read my phone. I had to close my eyes for half a minute and stand up
I had the same symptoms when using oled monitors. I tried the Alienware qd oled ultrawide and the lg W-oled 27 240 hz with matte coating. This was last gen tech. Not sure what’s causing it. Maybe some kind of flicker. I don’t have this issue with oled tv
@@Revanchst same! My main tv for the family room is a Sony oled. No issues at all!
they're not flicker free. some people are very sensitive to it.
@@DarkP1 Would this flicker problem be there with even W-OLED monitors?
I have the same experience with the ASUS pg27aqdM (their 2023 flagship 1440p 240Hz OLED) and am in the process of returning it. It has incredible responsiveness and HDR in the right conditions, but the drawbacks outweigh that by a longshot in my opinion.
The desktop experience is awful and causes the same eyestrain and headaches as in the review. Text looks bad, and anything other than HDR content looks dark and severely undersaturated (including non-HDR video and older games). Add that to the fact that I had to do so much work calibrating it, I have to use it in a pitch black room to get the best out of it, and I have to worry about how I use it to prevent burn-in, and I've come to the conclusion that OLED monitors are more of a chore than an enjoyable experience right now despite their superior peak performance under the right conditions.
Funnily enough, my main monitor before I got the OLED was an ASUS ROG PG279Q (the grandfather of the PG27AQN in this video), and now I'm convinced I should just get the PG27AQN to tide me over for a few years until OLEDs are truly ready for prime time.
Looking forward to those hype 10s on the desk being reviewed 😂 been loving the 4s i just got thanks to your review
Glad to hear it!!
@@FreshReviewsYTdo a size comparison between the hype 4, mmk3 and hype 10 too pls
I got this monitor and its amazing 10 bit color at 360hz is insane
Glad you’re digging it!
Similar experience with OLED eyestrain, I've had LG C2 and AW3423DWF. The likely cause is flicker. While these panels don't use the typical Pulse-Width Modulation (PWM) for brightness control they still have brightness fluctuations. There's no OLED panel that is truly flicker free even if advertised as such, it's really a shame.
High contrast is harder on the eyes unfortunately.
Rtings and Hardware unboxed test for flicker. The aw3423DWF for eksample does not flicker
@@Xeniix I have 42c3. And when I turn on the white screen, you can clearly see with your eye that it flickers a little. I can't use it as a monitor, only for movies.
about eyestrain i have it as well even with my old crappy ips panel monitor. but i do fix it by using blue lights glasses for my gaming usage and it works like magic
I had a C3 42" and returned it due to eye strain compared to my ips regardless of brightness. High contrast screens are harder on the eyes than lower contrast . Some may notice more than others. The monitor you mention might have a secondary issue as well
i only felt this for a few days, feels like my eyes adjusted very fast
Perhaps I should have given it more time. I'm considering taking another dive when prices go down
research PWM causing eye strain
I wonder if this is an issue with oled monitors, I've went though 6 different ones so far and same issue after a few weeks where it will just randomly go black and you have to fully power it off and on even though the light is indicating it's on, and pc is recognising it still as connected
Only got LG left to try, and had their oled TV for years, so I'm going to try that lmao
Got mine two days ago and I'm pretty disappointed.... I already own a s95b qd-oled tv and thought this would be the end game monitor. But this monitor doesn't come close in visual impact, color and hdr performance to my tv, which is odd since the monitor is just using an updated version of the tv panel. I'd also like to add that pretty much every game today looks bad at 1440p for some reason. Text clarity is actually alright, but overall clarity with games @1440p is just dull and then the lackluster brightness makes it even worse.
Destiny 2 was the only game that looked good in hdr, but was still a little to dark.
You can see in the first 50secs of this video just how bad raised blacks are on these qd-oleds. Both when he has it off and when it’s showing the ‘match found’ screen.
It looks not much darker than IPS. The entire point of oled is lost.
Woled defo the way to go whilst this remains a problem
You should do a camera angle like this when you streaming would pretty dope to see the aesthetics while you testing stuff out
Good call !
Turning off clear type on my lg OLED 27 helped a lot with text fringing.
Disable tone mapping for eye comfort.
Eye strains is probably due to the coating that you haven't got used to it yet and about text reading. There isn't probably a better model out there other than 4k model but then you would be stuck at 240hz unless you go with LG panel which is 480hz as second mode!
Also, if you want to stick with matte then G6 from Samsung will have matte coating with QD-oled and LG offerings!
Thanks!
hwo would coating affect eye strain?
Actually this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of eye strain with QDOLED. QDOLED panels actually have a flicker when they produce an image vs a solid non pwm lcd backlight
@@ACE112ACE112 It is the glare the causes it. Pretty much looking into a screen glare will give you a massive headache after an hour or two. On top of that because he is streaming he has the room overly bright as you can see the big light there. OLEDs are really only good for a light controlled rooms. Even a mat oled will give you a headache in a really bright room.
Yeah, it doesn't help that he has that bright light there for streaming. That combined with the reflective screen caused the eye strain. It is even worse in an bright room because people tend to crank the brightness more than they should.
Alot of peopl have a problem with this monitor looks like a QC problem
I returned mine the day I got it, tested it with series x in console mode. Sadly no 4k120 hz only up to 60. So I returned it. I'm sticking with LG. Msi looks interesting but idk when the 27 qd oled is releasing in February
I have spent the last 8 years looking at a 27" 1440p TN-panel with G-sync, bought a 32" G-sync IPS monitor from Samsung, the G70B, and Had to return it because eyestrain is insane, tried the MSI Optix MPG321QRFMPG next, same issue, switched back to my old TN panel for now. It seems my eyes just can't handle IPS panels or something.
Now, there are NO companies that still make quality TN/gaming panels. which is a shame. So I feel like I'm kinda stuck right now.
If you’re ok with TN could try the zowie 540hz
I am looking for a 32" 4K monitor specifically, preferably with G-sync. And sadly they don't make or sell those with TN-panels anymore it seems. And ;buying and trying them out and finding out they just hurt my eyes over and over and dealing with customer support to send them back to get a refund over and over is getting rather tiresome. @@FreshReviewsYT
Lowering the brightness and playing a little bit further helped with the eye strain.
If you’re primarily using these monitors as a source to make income then this is a huge problem.
I've used the AW2725DF for a few days now, and I can attest to a certain "discomfort" while reading *desktop/non-game* text on it. Smaller fonts that you'd typically see on RUclips, desktop icons, word processing apps, emails, etc. are not pleasant to stare at. I imagine this is partly due to the intense contrast produced by OLED panels. The text looks fantastic and I don't notice any blurry edges on the letters, but it's bothersome enough for me to move the aforementioned content over to my IPS (Dell P2314H) instead.
If this is going to be your ONLY monitor, I'd be very hesitant to recommend it. However, if it's solely for fullscreen gaming and perhaps video/image editing (due to excellent color quality), then it's certainly worth consideration.
Good point !
I returned my 360 HZ 1440p Asus . Just so I can buy this anywhere monitor which I have not purchased just yet , but now I might just wait for the Asus 480hz OLED monitor.
The 480 sounds heavenly
Sadly the eye strain you are referring to is completely because Samsung OLEDs use PWM to adjust brightness. I am glad I waited for reviews to confirm this. I also get crazy headaches when dealing with these sorts of monitors. Looks like I will have to wait for the LG W-OLED panels. The ASUS 480Hz 1440p is very interesting. It will have BFI and at a minimum it will be 120Hz.
Tysm for the info! It’s been driving me crazy why it caused me such an issue
@@FreshReviewsYT no problem man, hoping to see a R26 review this year ;)
it wont be 1440p it will be 1080p only
@@JoeMama-yl1ow lol its been confirmed to be 1440P, FYI we won't get a 25" 1080P OLED till the end of 2025.
I always wait for acer predator monitors, they are always perfect. Once i bought new alienware 240hz on premiere some years ago and it had so many minuses.
Maybe your eye strain was caused by the same issue that caused the monitor to completely blank
Yea maybe it was some fault
The eye strain was most likely due to the color fringing on text. Same issue the Alienware dw / dwf had. (Monitors Unboxed has videos with more detail).
Good to know, my eyes are particularly sensitive to green highlights, so I'd probably experience the same issue.
Next gen panels are moving to a standard RGB layout which will address this problem. But until then, WOLED panels manifest this issue very differently (As appose to QD-OLED). So, you might not have any issues using one of those.
Thanks for the info! Probably very true!
WOLED at 110 PPI text fringing is actually worse. I owned the LG 240Hz OLED for a year and just upgraded to this.
@@andrewmorris3479I have heard that WOLED is less clear overall.
But, from what I've seen discussed, QD-OLED color fringing appears as a very small saturated highlight (mostly green and blue / purple), while WOLED fringing looks like an added shadow.
So, depending what you're sensitive to, you could experience more / less eye strain from one or the other.
@andrewmorris3479 I had the aw3423dwf and 27gr95qe-b and completely agree. Using woled monitor actually made the qd oled less noticeable because it was so bad 😂. That was last gen tho. New woled 4k 240hz might be a high enough resolution it fixes it. 32" in competitive games is too big imo tho.
Not sure if it’s something to do with the sub pixel layout but even to this day my Lg 240hz oled at 90% brightness I get more headaches and eye strain compared to when I was using my old xl2566k. Wish I got the pg27aqn instead
some guy talk about on review saying its cos less coating what should be and you can switch of blue light or something and you will be fine I do night mode even on IPS cos massive headache,i think to
much brightness,to much colours and to much Hz this days and sitting close to your monitor gives your head a good spin . Tv are different sitting far and less Hz.Just my thoughts 😅
I never have eye strain with monitors the only bad experience I had was with the OLED 45inch LG I was feeling a little sick but then I got use to it
Looking frame by frame in slow motion, it's impossible to see any difference in speed between the 2 monitors, they are identical in speed
The only problem though is my camera is only recording in 60 fps
Which is complete bs.
The OLED has a faster g2g time which you can see in every review
glad I waited I am waiting on the 4k 240hz dual mode display oled 480hz @ 1080p either asus or LG sticking with w oled staying away from qd oled
Weird you got eye strain from gaming.. thought maybe if you used it for work and reading text maybe. Is it unsharp in anyway in a game compared to the ips?
It’s actually sharper than the ips in game
My Alienware AW2518H 240hz is still going strong. I do want 1440p when I finally upgrade but IPS falls short on contrast ratio compared to TN. Hoping panel technology continues to improve and hopefully gets cheaper down the line.
I hope so too
TN typically has worst contrast ratio. OLED - VA - IPS - TN
I never return anything when it works.. because when i do not need it i just give it for free. Because i feel better..
G6 from Samsung will be the only Matte which will be better for you, or wait for Matte 240/480 WOLED Asus, they have a 27 inch coming out alongside the 32 inch. LGs will be 32 inch which isn’t the most optimal for Competitive FPS. But great review as usual.
Ty will!
Honestly...Alienware (Dell) makes fantastic monitors and have for a while. Def much better than their computers and laptops.
OLED is still scary to use for long gaming sessions because of burn in with HUDs. Luckily, they have pixel refresh and panel refresh maintenance options.
I had the 34 curved AW. I returned it as well. So dim and blurry.lol
I just returned a 34” DWF one with the same black screen issue.
Crazy! Wonder why it happens. Unfortunate
That's one the problems of OLED they flicker much more. Some brands may use a PWM with a higher frquency to overcome but maybe others don't. Another important thing is about brightness and its relation with flickering. The less bright a screen is the more it flickers because when you lower down the brightness, you are not really lowering it, they use a trick of turning off and on the screen in order to simulate a low brightness. Fresh you can always check how low the brightness on this monitor is and try increase it but keep it always in an acceptable value for your eyes of course and see if you feel better. Do not confuse PWM flickering with how many times a monitor refreshes.
Well I have had the opposite experience. Monitor is flat out amazing. But I’m on day 3 so we will see if it dies or not.
It seems like there are definitely a lot of people who didn’t have strain. Had a lot of DMs from people that have though. I would have given it more time if it didn’t have the display issue 😭
@@FreshReviewsYT I know man. Fell Alienware have the best support. Normally send me a new monitor in a few days. I would def recommend their chat support. Had issues with them when once and they sent new monitor 2 day fed ex. Sad but I guess the reality of buying day one. Iv never bought day one but have been waiting for this monitor for some time. I’ll keep an eye on the eye strain.
Was there a low motion blur on that may have caused the eye strain? ELMB on my Asus monitor causes that for me, so it’s the first thing I check for on new monitors.
No setting for ulmb. Only color presets and sharpness which I forgot to mention changing from 0-100 didn’t change anything
I don’t blame you honestly. I haven’t had the best luck with Alienware products and I’m more interested in Samsung’s implementation of 1440 360hz (OLED G6) whenever that drops this year. I was eyeing Asus’ aqn & aqdm but the warranty was a bit sketch for me so I’m sticking to my xl2566k for the time being for comp games
The zowie monitor is great for comp.
@@FreshReviewsYT oh it’s been my go to for almost a decade since I got into comp OW and R6 with an rl2755 monitor so I’m extra hype for their xl2586x
As someone who used to work at Best Buy for 6 years. I personally saw a lot of warranty issues with Samsung overall compared to Dell/Alienware. Not saying Samsung doesn’t make good products. Just percentages of what was sold and what had warranty issues was higher. However…Brand loyalty happens for reasons!! I know people that hate Dell and hate Lenovo and vice versa. The main thing is just get what makes you happy.
@@MrKram1337 here here!
OMG bro! Exactly the same thing I went through with the AW3423DW, and it actually gave me migraines. Had to sell it for a massive loss.
Very smart to return if you feel any discomfort, our eyes are just too important. It's weird because every new monitor has an adjustment period and I kept thinking It was going to get better, but it didn't. Glad you made this video as I was ready to try my hand again, thinking maybe it was the ultrawide that triggered something.
Ty for sharing!
This video is a blessing and a curse because I bought the Alienware 31.6 inch 4k AW3225QF monitor and as of right now I’m having eye fatigue/strain and occasionally blurry vision. Again I bought this monitor back in June from Best Buy but I was casually using it. I’m a 3D artist and as of last week or so I’ve been spending more hours on my monitor. Some during the day and some during the night. I’ve never experienced anything like this before. I’m thinking about returning the monitor which sucks because it took me several other monitors to find one that I liked.
Is there any chance these vision issues could go away? Should I reach out to someone from Dell/Alienware? Or I may have to go see an optometrist.
I ended up going for different oleds. I’m not having issues on the Samsung g80d and I’ll try the ASUS 4k 240 this week
Hey Freshreviews, thanks for this. Just one question, did you manage to compare the PG27AQN against the OLED with ULMB2 enabled? Could even out the playing field.
Thanks
I actually didn’t yet by the time the AW pooped out 😭
@FreshReviewsYT that's a shame 😕
Top tier IPs monitor will perform very good. No need to upgrade to oled. my Acer predator 1440p 240hz is an incredible.
Nothing beats 4k at 40" for me.
My first video of yours fresh but have you done a setup tour? i'd love to see one because your shot looks so relaxing i cant lie, might wanna cop some of your items from an affiliate link :)
Hahaha thank you.
Man, I really don't trust Samsumg, their quality control is awful, I think I got with the revised LG 27" WOled (27GS95QE).
Would love if you test HP transcends qd-oled .it exactly the same size as alienware but with extra features like 140watt charger and the new display port 2.1 .
I have the pg27aqn and removed the matte coating. Think I will be sticking with this until next year or may pick up the 480hz asus monitor later this year. I also removed the matte coating on my neo g8 so no need to upgrade really.
removing the matte coating on the pg27aqn gets it close to iphone in terms of clarity and improves the contract a fair bit, and in terms of resolution it very close to my 4k monitor. Would be interesting to see it side by side with the new oled.
@@deluxebulls5939Bro how did you do it? And if this is gonna harm the screen in the long term or not like some LCD monitors
@@fahdhli Hey man, I was able to buff it off. Nope no damage caused while doing it. The final finish is pretty much factory gloss as I finished with 3m ultrafine. So no scratches or swirls.
If there is no flickering (which this panel should not have, unless caused by electronic damage) - getting eyestrain must be impossible.
Based on personal experience, the comments, and direct messages from others that have experienced the issue….. apparently not
😜
What about the text reading on this monitor, when i use my PG27AQDM the blurry text with colorful edges make me unconfortable on reading.coding and other coding. So i go back to use my old ips monitor
Text reading wasn’t the best
What about the text reading on 4k oled moitor? I am considering purches PG32UCDM @@FreshReviewsYT
What aspect of the panel do you think was causing the eye strain? Is there a flickering issue or power management issue unique to these panels?
Honestly from all the feedback I’ve received from people, and others who had the issue and others who haven’t, it’s very hard to say 😂
Could it be the blue light QD produces ? I wear blue light blockers , and am looking for an old monitor. I’m going to look at other companies
Now make a comparison in Call of Duty and Fortnite, and turn off your lights so we can see how bright the screen is
Hey, thanks for your review! Does this monitor have a fan for cooling? If yes, is it noticeable/all time on?
I believe it does I never heard it at all
I don’t know what’s wrong, I can only get 240 on dp1.4 with this monitor
thanks nice video!
by the way, did the pixel shift bother you?
It didn’t
And i here i am just wishing for a 24" 1440p 240/360hz, personally not really a fan of 27" or higher! For now i will stick with 24" 1080p 240hz and my new AOC 24" 1440p 165hz😄🙃
I mainly play battle royal and competitive fps games, like OW2, Apex, Valorant, Cs2, The Finals, with low settings, with the occasional co-op/ single player games on higher or mixed settings, so higher refresh rates like 240hz+ is preferred!
I'm hoping we will see some options for at least 24 inch 240hz 1440p monitors, not to far out in the future! AoC 24 inch 1440p 165hz monitor has seen impressive sales figures in the Chinese marked, and i just recently got the EU version myself, and veil i really like it, and love the even more added sharpness/clarity you get on top with the 24" 1440p (122ppi) i would still like it better in a 240hz+ version😆🙃
I’m fking dying for a 24” oled monitor anything bigger gives me a headaches gaming and work I like glosssy
@@RollTide787 For me it is mostly the added field of view you have to cover i don't like on a 27"
+ the added sharpness/clarity is more noticeable for me, going from 1080p > to 1440p on a 24" monitor, with the higher ppi than on a 27".
Also my space don't really allow for sitting far enough away from the screen, to make it comfortable with a bigger monitor.
i have significant eye strain using mine. i have to lower brightness a lot to get a good feel. steel trying to figure out why
Let me know if you find out !
@@FreshReviewsYT it has to do with blue light. i just did a 2 hour gaming session with blue light turned down half way and had no eye strain. im guessing its just the intensity of blue light in the panel that is the issue. im tinkering with it until i figure out what feels right. creator mode is color accurate and i do feel it helps pull down blue light from standard mode so that might be the ultimate fix, run it in creator color mode.
Nice video but to be honest i would get the gigabyte 32 inch 4k dp 2.1 because it has a switch to go from 4k to 1080p so the image on your monitor becomes 24 inch or so i rather have best of boy worlds instead of just 1 of em but that's my opinion but keep up the good work:)
Ty!
I was having same problem with LG C1 55 as pc monitor after weeks it is gone you just need adjust to it and it takes time also oled are shit for text
Yea I almost feel like by night 3 I was kind of adjusting
I regret buying an IPS monitor and wish I had just spent the extra and got the LG OLED monitor(or something similar).
Having used OLED tv's for the last 8 years, the poor black levels/contrast on the IPS and the colours really ruins my enjoyment. But that's just me.
No i totally agree. I’m definitely going to look for another oled panel
The other issue with IPS and LCD panels in general is that they are not bonded/sealed like OLED. So, unfortunately, I live in the countryside and in the summer will get inundated with thrips/thunder flies and now have 2 or 3 stuck between the layers.
@@GearsSoldier09 damn!!
The eyes strain part is interesting, it may be due to some sort of a pwm technology which adds a lot of flickers, tho i don't know if it is used in samsung panel.
New LG 480hz is advertised "flicker free" and blue light reduction (-50% compare to average ips) so i'm curious to have your feedbacks on this once you can get your hands on the lg model
Thanks for letting me know. My eyes will definitely be on the LG now
@@FreshReviewsYT i also have seen people on reddit talking about eyes strain after switching to oled and having less of pain after using it for 1 week so maybe there is an adaptation time needed for some people.
I look forward to see your feedbacks on the next one keep doing a great job mate !
@@Lema784 Ty!!
@@Lema784 This adaptation time reminds me to CRT Times
I have both of these and have to send one back so this was helpful!
OLED is not flicker free. Many people will get eye strain or/and headaches from it. Why we can't have glossy IPS is beyond my understanding...
it says on their page it is flicker free.
Dell Alienware aw2723df have semi glossy Finish Panel.
@@m.h.7901 Yes and IPS is 1ms cuz it says so on the box. Don't fall for bs marketing. OLED panel can't be "flicker free" it's just how the tech works.
@charlesthegreat8645 i mean if it's certified flicker free it should be. This monitor just says flicker free im not sure if its certified
I mean get rid of that giant light and you would fix the issue but that probably isn't viable for someone who streams that much. That is what is causing you the strain is the glossy panel with that glare. A glare on the monitor will cause a massive headache in a few hours easily.
Haha that light was actually only for recording for this video. I don’t play with that light on during actual testing outside of the video
I actually tried everything I always choose Asus over any other monitor that includes asus oled ! Pq27 is king
i also got eye strain from aw3225qf which i don't quite get with pg27aqn. i dont know if its caused by the hdr peak 1000 mode. i guess im gonna keep the monitor since i find it much more enjoyable than the samsung neo g8. might as well get a 480hz woled by the end of the year see if thats gonna be easier for my eyes
Maybe try different blue light filtering and cool/hot filters?
I would venture a guess and think it's the unusually subpixel structure that makes some have eye straining on OLEDs reading text. Unfortunately both WOLED (LG Display) and QD-OLED (Samsung Display) has other subpixel layouts than what Window's and most OSs are used to. This can be mitigated with higher pixel densities, say 4K at 27" panels or if Windows makes text render differently than up til now, or that OLEDs will have the normal RGB pixel layout.
Samsung had a triangular RGB layout, while LG uses RWGB and will use RGWB in the upcoming panels, we shall see. You can also use a program called MacType, but it doesn't fix rendering for all programs. Good luck 👍
@@MoggBoggTheSnoggRogg yeah that’s a very good guess. I’ve been using lg oled tv for a very long time and never felt any discomfort, maybe it had to do with the new Samsung qd oled layout
@@wangmingchu1379 you probably sit farther away from TV than you do your Samsung monitor, harder to notice the colour fringing then. Also, as I said, they both have abnormal subpixel structures; LG's actually the furthest from atypical - it's just the triangle shaped RGB layout of Samsung that makes theirs also fringe, but differently from each other. If you have a game like Counter-Strike, hop in and choose a yellow crosshair, and walk straight up to your LG OLED screen, you'll see it fringe and look a bit off. 🙃
Also, about the eye strain, it maybe because of the pixel layout, because I have a BGR pixel layout structure monitor and I can't stand as the primary monitor, even excel gives me eye strain.
So burn in has always been an issue with Oled. Have these monitors come far enough where that's not a concern?
Dell and other manufacturers give a 3 year burn in warranty.
Also they have counter measure to prevent burn in and you can also do some small adjustments to prevent it.
IMO it’s also quite depending on how you use it.
That is not Zorz at all that it died on you. I’m having some similar issues. Going to continue testing and get my thoughts out hopefully Tuesday…. But like you said it’s damn pretty isn’t it :). Too bad :(
It really is pretty 😭
I loved the detail you put into your last oled vs video you did and your humour is brilliant 👍 I will be looking out for the monitor review as I have to say I'm really intrigued with this monitor
@@CommentingFromJail Thank you! Were all in this together!
Bro you have em6l, they’re goated but stock tips didn’t fit, I personally I use the Sedna xelastic tips with it, has about the same sound if not better imo, also if your looking headphones that are the most similar to em6l get dt990 pro 250 ohm with worn pads for a year and it should match em6l, the dt990 smooth out over time as pads flatten, there’s actually a sound demo comparison beetween dt990 pro and hd560s by stereo bites
Going to try with those tips! I have some here
@@FreshReviewsYT the ones you had in the review are different, same company tho
@@FreshReviewsYT if you get em tell me how they are
@@assloader yea but I actually do have a pair laying around! Just gotta throw em on
@@FreshReviewsYT sick
Didn’t expect this one, but so glad it ended up in the review stable. Was struggling with whether or not to pick this up; likely going to wait for the WOLED models to start trickling out before making a decision on which display to pick up.
Eagerly awaiting the impressions on the Hype 10. My Hype 4s are getting a lot of use. No exaggeration, the MK3s are likely to be retired and offloaded via AVExhange. The 4s have quickly become the best bang for buck set of the last few years, with the EM6L being right up there alongside them.
I can’t agree more. The hype 4 is the IEM that absolutely destroys the high end range
I have this monitor coming on Monday or Tuesday, so hopefully I receive a good unit. I have used the Alienware 34" oled for a bit over a year, and it has worked well for me. The power button and joystick failed on the first unit, but it was a painless process to exchange it, which is the main reason I would still stick with Alienware and their 3 year warranty.
I should have mentioned that. The warranty and exchange process seems PAINLESS
@FreshReviewsYT I did receive mine tonight. I think it's just the fact I have used a curved monitor all year, but the screen borderline felt convex to me when I started it for the first time. I got adjusted to it after a couple of hours. For the first time in a year, I felt like I could actually track and click on people consistently.
Having luck with it so far? Mine is arriving tomorrow, so crossing my fingers.
@ickabodunk No issues in maybe the first six hours of use. I read up that people going from a curved monitor to a flat screen again experience a sort of fish eye lens effect, so I can confirm my panel isn't broken in that regard.
My OLED Alienware arrived dead on arrival. I could not get mine to power on at all.
!!!!!!
I’ve tried everything from swapping power cables to doing a “reset”on it by unplugging everything and holding tv power button and it didn’t work. Something tells me the QC on this monitor is extremely poor.
@@ASTROSR4 I tried everything as well. Difference devices. HDMI and display port. Osd just wouldn’t pop up
@@FreshReviewsYT Keep me posted if you happen to hear anything about this issue. I’m probably going to wait for the 480hz OLEDs
@@ASTROSR4 did they RMA it? I've heard Alienware support is really good with their monitors
I've had the monitor since it came out when I bought it for pre-sale and it hasn't given me any problems, I'm always aware of turning them off when I turn off the PC. because you don't realize if it's really off or not xD and well, I play it many hours a day and when I turn off the PC to go to sleep it does its job automatically to refresh the pixels. no problem with mine. How sad that that happens to you.
Thanks. Most importantly I’m glad you’re not having issues though
I actually get the same issue of it getting stuck in that "sleep mode" once in a while on the previous 34 oled AW monitor, usually I just unplug it for about 20 seconds and then replug it and it works. I mean obviously that is still unacceptable for a product but at this point I'm already getting one of the new oleds.
I tried that a few times unfortunately 😭
Bro why? I’m heartbroken. I want this monitor but I only have a 3080 that’s why I have to wait.
I have this monitor and a 3080 and it's great
what games do you play? if you dont mind@@BIG_SCAM
@colin1992
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Welp..... this concerns me. I currently have the lg 27gr95qe, was looking at upgrading to this... wondering if this is a common issue??? If it is might skip it... but the new 27gr95um looks tempting, I do know LG is releasing the 27gs95qe at Somepoint soon, or should I just wait for Msi's variant?
The LG 240 Hz OLED has equal motion blur to a 360 Hz Zowie TN Panel. Why would you upgrade for an imperceptible difference?
Like, for some things I get it. There used to be a huge argument about 60Hz vs 30Hz and whether or not the difference was noticeable, when clearly it was once you had used 60Hz Refresh Rate. But diminishing returns are diminishing returns. I think you would gain a much larger, and at least a perceivable advantage waiting for a 4k 240Hz OLED vs a 1440p 360Hz OLED just due to raw image quality.
I hated my my 27gr95qe, not impressed by OLED at all
@@Baconator119I had the lg and the benq 360 at the same time and found myself using the benq way more. I sold both and got the ASUS 540hz and I’m very happy with it.
@@zxSwifty I also watch movies and shows on my PC almost as often as I game. For me it just comes down to true colors. I will probably never own an LCD over an OLED because of this. Also, other monitor types tend to give me headaches if I look at them for too long, regardless of frequency.
Maybe 1% of FPS player will be able to distinguish between 240hz and 360hz, and 540hz. Its to the point of diminishing returns