The Senators originally had the 18th overall pick, but traded it to Nashville along with a 3rd round pick 2009 to move up to the 15th pick to draft Karlsson. In retrospect this was one of the greatest trades Ottawa ever made. Nashville used the 18th pick to draft Chet Pickard who never played an an NHL game. However Nashville made up for it by drafting Roman Josi 38th overall. You could argue that Josi is a better defenseman than Karlsson.
Tough questions, if you're doing a re-draft, does Karlsson still gets ruined by Matt Cooke ? Because IMO, Karlsson WITH the injuries that happened to him would go #4 (behind Stamkos, doughty and pietrangelo), but if redrafting him meant maybe he avoids those injuries, I could go as far as taking him #1. I'm not a huge Karlsson fan cause I hated the senators, but before Karlsson was injured he was something else.
Teams were clearly looking for big, unskilled, slow defencemen like Bogosian, Schenn and Myers instead of Karlsson, Carlsson and Josi. That did not age well😂
@@beyond_thebench we all know that a Cup is a great achievement but not a good way to rank players. If you start a team today who would you pick out of these six players?
@@bjornalm9950Oh that’s a good one! Ummm probably go Josi and Schenn (in his prime). You don’t need two elite offensive D men on the same team. Still need your big, shut down guys.
I particularly love how you so glibly glossed over that Kyle Beach's career was derailed because an assistant coach sexually assaulted him when he was 20 years old, dubbing it merely a "deeply troubling incident". If you're going to speak on such things, at least have the testicular fortitude not to downplay what happened to the victims of such crimes. Otherwise, maybe next time, stay on the bench.
Not trying to downplay anything. That situation isn’t the main topic of the video so we didnt want to get too deep into talking about it. Could be a whole video itself.
@@beyond_thebench Nicklas Lidstrom is easily Top 5 defenseman to ever play the game... of course he deserved every award he won. Try again,harder. This trophy used to be earned not given away as a popularity contest because of the lack of complete defensmens who didnt put up 3 points in 7-5 defeats but made their team better in 3-1 wins. Bobby Orr,Raymond Bourque,Doug Harvey,Larry Robinson,Denis Potvin,Nicklas Lidstrom were clutch and made their team wins. Karlsson wore weird cloth and a funny stache,did a few pirouettes on ice and you think that qualify for one of the greatest defensman ever hahaha
The Senators originally had the 18th overall pick, but traded it to Nashville along with a 3rd round pick 2009 to move up to the 15th pick to draft Karlsson. In retrospect this was one of the greatest trades Ottawa ever made. Nashville used the 18th pick to draft Chet Pickard who never played an an NHL game. However Nashville made up for it by drafting Roman Josi 38th overall. You could argue that Josi is a better defenseman than Karlsson.
Totally, in the end worked out pretty nice for both teams
nice video! very professional.. im wondering when this chanell blows up. keep it up!
Thanks!! One day 🤞🏻
1:36 - 'You aren't supposed to touch the trophy.'
Love your videos like this, super entertaining. Keep up the great work :)
Eh thanks so much!
Very interesting video!
Thanks!
Tough questions, if you're doing a re-draft, does Karlsson still gets ruined by Matt Cooke ?
Because IMO, Karlsson WITH the injuries that happened to him would go #4 (behind Stamkos, doughty and pietrangelo), but if redrafting him meant maybe he avoids those injuries, I could go as far as taking him #1.
I'm not a huge Karlsson fan cause I hated the senators, but before Karlsson was injured he was something else.
Its a fair question! I think you got that redraft over right, imo
That time Stamkos hurt his leg while wearing Cedric Paquette's jersy: @1:02
Just a b-roll clip
@@beyond_thebench screams AI tbh
1:04 That is clearly not Stamkos.
You’d be correct
@@beyond_thebench Do you not audit before posting the videos? Just comes off as unprofessional.
You mention Stamkos's injuries and showed a different player that was injured for the Lightning.
Ya just a b-roll clip!
Schenn played for the Canucks too
Yep!
Doughty's 2016 Norris should have been Karlsson's third win
Could have been ya
@@beyond_thebench Should have , not could have.
Teams were clearly looking for big, unskilled, slow defencemen like Bogosian, Schenn and Myers instead of Karlsson, Carlsson and Josi. That did not age well😂
That was the script back then! Bogo and Schenn both Stanley Cup champs!
@@beyond_thebench we all know that a Cup is a great achievement but not a good way to rank players. If you start a team today who would you pick out of these six players?
@@bjornalm9950Oh that’s a good one! Ummm probably go Josi and Schenn (in his prime). You don’t need two elite offensive D men on the same team. Still need your big, shut down guys.
I particularly love how you so glibly glossed over that Kyle Beach's career was derailed because an assistant coach sexually assaulted him when he was 20 years old, dubbing it merely a "deeply troubling incident". If you're going to speak on such things, at least have the testicular fortitude not to downplay what happened to the victims of such crimes. Otherwise, maybe next time, stay on the bench.
Not trying to downplay anything. That situation isn’t the main topic of the video so we didnt want to get too deep into talking about it. Could be a whole video itself.
“Stamkos battled injuries” *shows Paquette injury
Just b-roll footage yaaa
I guess never heard of the Leafs,, not mentioned Schenectady Bogosian wierd
Leaf fans know
Your facts on Stamkos need to be checked. He did not play a key role in the 2020 stanley cup he is also not the captain anymore
No bigger pick?! Um, What about Stamkos?!?!
*may, have been no bigger pick. We like a debate among our audience haha
3 of the top 5 were better picks than Karlson
Myers>>>Karlsson
Hot take! Love it
An amazing player - who has never elevated a team to win anything. So, a great individual player - but not a leader or a key piece to winning team.
Fair point!
This is such a laughably bad take its almost unfunny.
He almost singlehandedly carried them in the 2017 Cinderella run.
He is a massive overacheiver at 14. A surefire Hall of Famer.
@@MarkSmith-ho5ycagree!!
Dumb take
like because i was the first to comment
Winner winner!
hahaha Karlsson is a loser still should have gone outside of the Top 10....
“Loser” - 3x Norris winner…
@@beyond_thebench3x offenseman award winner. No leadership, absolutely no defense, and no wins
@@beyond_thebench PK Subban won a Norris so beyond 1995 this trophy have become a joke and everyone knows it
@@mikescorpio13Tell that to Nick Lidstrom haha
@@beyond_thebench Nicklas Lidstrom is easily Top 5 defenseman to ever play the game... of course he deserved every award he won. Try again,harder.
This trophy used to be earned not given away as a popularity contest because of the lack of complete defensmens who didnt put up 3 points in 7-5 defeats but made their team better in 3-1 wins.
Bobby Orr,Raymond Bourque,Doug Harvey,Larry Robinson,Denis Potvin,Nicklas Lidstrom were clutch and made their team wins. Karlsson wore weird cloth and a funny stache,did a few pirouettes on ice and you think that qualify for one of the greatest defensman ever hahaha