Yea that thing is crazy unique! I do wonder if that’s closer to a final upgrade after making through the slap on stage, or if it gets even more intricate as you up grade it.
That hammer design shares some of the 'scrap metal held together with bolts and screws' design seen on the longsword and the hunting horn. Perhaps that's just because they're somewhat early game weapons and when you upgrade it to its final form those parts go away and are replaced with something less cobbled together. Or maybe something else is going on. After all, the greatsword and gunlance didn't seem to have any of that in favor of a 'leather wrapped' theme, and I'm assuming those are 'village tree' weapons. The charge blade is outright 100% a design based on a monster without any of that scrap metal stuff too, so maybe before it's fully upgraded it has some of those scrap metal parts on it and we just happened to see the final version? If you ask me, some of these designs really give off the impression of a less technological society coming across the plans for these weapons but they are incomplete or they don't have all of the right materials to make it fully work so they just grab bits that they have access to and bolt it together and hope it works. I seem to remember hearing that the village in Monster Hunter Wilds is going to be rather unfamiliar with the concept of hunting as we know it, so they might not have the proper facilities to make the kind of weapons and armor that the forge in MH5 was able to pump out. Even if the smithy is one that's sent from the guild they still need tools and a workshop to work with, and if the village doesn't have anything of that scale, well, you might just get cobbled together weapons until you upgrade the forge. Hell, I'd be okay with 'bits on sticks' being a motif for low rank armor and weapons, then when you get to high rank you get some quests to upgrade the forge so it can make high rank stuff that looks properly made.
I had the same concern for a very long time, but after seeing the latest weapon showcases I'm much more relieved, there's still a possibility of that happening but it's getting less and less probable imo
Considering how much people vocally hated the world weapon designs, it seems weird they would do it again. But if they do, i hope the visual upgrades on a weapon are more varied as you improves them.
i wonder if that dislike was more intense in the west and they just didnt hear it as much because the actual devs might not look much at english speaking content
That would be best if they actually all ended up as bespoke weapons in the end. I know they do pay attention to what we’re saying on social media to an extent.
Really good videos lately btw, ive got a couple of little ones running around as well so i know youre busy. Its cool that you play with your son, respect.
Really good videos lately btw, ive got a couple of little ones running around as well so i know youre busy. Its cool that you play with your son, respect.
They could have bits on sticks but as you get to high/master rank you can add more parts to your weapon and make it not look like a ticks on bits weapon when it’s fully upgraded
I really like MH4U's way of handling weapon designs back then. Some unique design can still change after getting upgraded. Like Seregios or Seltas Queen weapons changed after G Rank
I feel that head on a stick for hammer actually isn’t bad, but some of the weapon trees in World still ended up looking pretty basic even for hammer standards.
Woah woah waoh, Wait a second, @Jaycan, or anyone else, what type of weight was that you were using for the Shield in the SNS cosplay? That looks like it'd be great for not hurting my wrist when I'm doing stupid stuff at home.
Look up smart bar by Les Mills fitness and you should be able to find it. I’m not sure you can buy it a la cart. I lucked out and got them for free because my job was getting rid of them.
Honestly, it seems like every weapon is going to be a progression of either the Bone or Ore tree. It seems like Wilds is going to have more uniqueness for every weapon, but they're all going to stem from either bone or ore. As the weapons get upgraded, more and more monster parts may be added to really make the weapon seem like it's fully bespoke. The difference between World and Wilds seems to be that Wilds will have more bespoke designs as the *very base* for certain monsters' weapons, and then those weapons can evolve even further. Doshaguma's weapons don't have any of Dosha's fur on them, which is different from other monsters. Chatacabra's IG uses bone as a base as well, but the designs are still bespoke to the monster. It really seems like there will be an old-school style of tree where every monster's weapon will be a direct upgrade of either the Bone or Ore trees.
I can actually see that happening which will end up fine at the end of the day. Since a lot what people have an issue with is when the final designs don't look that different from the beginning designs.
Yeah I think this development team can be trusted with the weapon designs. Bone weapons have looked the same since 2006, MHW was the first game to change their appearance
Some of the weapons we've seen in the weapon trailers have already shown some promise (That Hammer was NUTS), but its still possible we may have some in. Either way I'm sure we'll get layered weapons in quick, so to be it won't be a huge deal.
@@Jaycan I'm hoping layered weapons won't be locked behind end game dlc this time lmao 🤣😂 and either way that Hammer gave me confidence same with Charge Blade and longsword
The Rise weapon designs were honestly great even for low level gear, so they just need to take design philosophy and adapt it into the Wilds art style.
One thing that makes it clear to me that the Chatacabra Insect glaive isn't a bits on sticks design is that the blade, part of the supposed generic weapon base, somewhat resembles a frog pelvis. And that seems too specific for the weapon of a frog monster to be a generic part that could be used on a bunch of other weapons.
I think slap on weapons are fine as long as they're only on the first level on a said weapon and mainly in low rank. Like at first, the blacksmiths slap the monsters parts to get its effects, but then get a real "unique" design or design evolution to fully bring the monster's identity in the final weapon. Example, Anjanath has a lot of unique weapons, but they make up some shity slap on designs like LBG and Rise's DB, but I think Iceborne nine ring bone sword design goes well with him, he just needs a bit of uniqueness to its design. something like a pinkish blabe with the black fur on the ringed back blade.
Ah yea I feel that. A lot of others in this comment section has expressed something similar. They're ok to start, but if they end up as the final design there will be frustration.
I thought the slap on was a great way to start Orr a weapon tree. The fact they finished with it too was the problem. Especially for something iconic like glavenus GS. Also, Iceborne had layered weapons, not just sun break.
Ah yea that is true I forgot. It came pretty late in the game though after the Tundra region was added to the Guiding Lands right? Here's hoping we get them in a base game!
well... layered weapons and armor on world were... too hard to get, i dont have any from master rank that iisnt an event, cuz they are to grindy. thats why people forget world had those.
As I saw your video in my notifications, I returned to World to try the Iceborne Dual Blades. When I started augmenting these weapons, I came to the conclussion that I preferred most slap-on designs over most of the original designs. The only exception for the Dual Blades are the Clubs that Jyuaratados and Diablos got. So if they gave us slap-on designs and give us the layered option to change the base and parts again, I might be more excited than seeing all originals. Since I like a simple detail change over a badly designed original weapon. In Sunbreak I kind of had the same problem with always going for just a single weapon design and keeping that for the rest of my run. Like using the Teddy Bear or Basarios head as my Hammer for at least 80% of all my Hammer runs. Sword and Shield was the same with the Mizutsune variant. Plus the DLC weapons I bought seemed to get more usage than 90% of all their original design weapons.
Interesting you really like the small changes to the base weapon over time rather than the bespoke designs. Interesting you say that but used the DLC weapons. Which weapon set did you end up buying?
@@Jaycan The fluffy monster weapons. Mainly the Khezu LBG, Goss Harag Dual Blades and Mizu Heavy Bowgun were the ones I bought. The Fluffy Bowguns both had all their details removed and just gained a lengthened monster plushy. I overused these 2 just because I'm not that into those special handles and how these weapons look when sheathed. The Tigrex and suitcase HBG and Beetle HBG's were the only guns for me that looked good when sheathed, while all other bespoke designs looked weird. But that's mainly because they fold the bowguns. If they didn't fold the bowguns, I might consider more bespoke designs.
Damn, I didn't even think about the dual blades. Brother I was looking at the damn bow like ain't that just a bone bow?! Until the full game comes out, I won't believe these charge blade and hammer overviews beautiful weapons. We truly live in a Yuya Tokuda Monster Hunter LOL
i honestly think slap ons in the first few stages of low rank are fine but when i see a Zinogre or Vaal Hazak slap on, i'd rather there not be a weapon at all. i also fully agree that purely cosmetic layered weapons would be cool to add in wilds
Oh man you feel that strongly about those slap ons huh? Not worth the stats if they're going to look like that? Glad you agree with the layered weapon event quest idea!
@@Jaycan i mean yeah, certain monsters don't always have a tree for every weapon, so i feel it would be better to have some exclusivity rather than master rank slap ons. But i also feel most trees could have slap ons for the first level and then upgrade... i mean the Kulve and Kjarr weapons are kinda cool with the monster parts on
I can excuse a 'cobbled together' design if they introduced some kind of new mechanic. First I want to point out that in Iceborne you were able to layer weapons when you augment them, but when you do you have three different layering options. The first two you can layer 'parts' which are the grip and hilt and non-attacky parts of the weapon, and second is the 'blade' or the part of the weapon that actually deals the damage. The third kind of layering is using the unique designs that doesn't use the 'slap-on' system to begin with so it wouldn't work with the other two kinds. The point here is that using the 'bits on sticks' system you have the option to change the appearance of two different parts of the weapon. Now on to what I'm getting at: if the weapons are going to use base World design philosophy with the 'bits on sticks' then what if instead of whole upgrade paths for entire weapons we have upgrade paths for the different parts of the weapon? You could upgrade the grip of the weapon along the Rathalos path and have the blade be upgraded along the Tigrex path, just as an example. It would still look dumb but at least the visuals would match with the weapon, and in late game we're going to be layering over everything anyways.
Appreciate you correcting my mistake we did have layered in Iceborne! That’s super intricate and would allow for more player expression for sure. It could be interesting that along with layered would be great tbh. If you hate it go layered if you like it engage with the system to your hearts content!
Because of the unfinished weapon designs, it spawned the concept of Layered Weapons, which I genuinely hate because it was a band-aid fix to what shouldn't have been in the first place, and as a result, Layered Weapons I feel will be a staple and I genuinely don't want them to, they only exist because of World's mistake, Rise went back to the unique designs, they then gave us Layered Weapons but ONLY for the Rampage weapons, which I was totally ok with since they were the customizable weapons, it made sense, then people begged and complained and now look what happened, it just makes me sad man, I want weapons to go back to their unique flair and never see layered weapons again...
I'm in the camp that player choice is almost always good. If you dislike layered weapons then don't use them this is how I made my mistake and forgot that Iceborne had layered weapons because I never used them haha. I wouldn't want to take away from others who feel they need to use layered weapons or armor because the stats and skills they want are on armors or weapons they don't find appealing. I understand where you're coming from though you want it to feel like you never even have to use the layered weapons.
@@Jaycan I will say that I'm OK with SOME layered weapons, like the Plush weapons, other than that, I still wish they were actual weapons, but I'm fine with them being the only type of layered weapons that we get, also wouldn't mind customizable weapons akin to the Rampage weapons being the only ones that can be layered in Wilds as well, but if they're here to stay then I can't keep complaining, it just pains me of how they came to be, or why they were even made in the first place, but it is what it is at the end of the day
I think I'd be better to avoid creating more slap on design/bits on sticks weapons. We already had evolving weapon designs with the weapons still having the personality of the monsters. 4U is a good game to see this. To put this into perspective, even great jaggi sns had an evolving design for its weapon. You can look into other monsters such as rathalos, zinogre, seltas queen/seltas, zamtrios, and more. Not every weapon git an evolving design, but there were a good amount that did. If you want a crazy evolution design for a weapon, go from the zinogre sns to the lagiacrus sns. They can do the idea of evolving weapon designs with actually good looking weapons from the start. I don't think lowering the standards to subpar designs at the start just to eventually getting something good around the middle to end game. We'll have to wait and see once the game comes out, and we can see what the rest of the weapons look like. I personally don't think that the chatacabra is a slap on design, especially since I don't remember that blade design in either rise or world for the ig. It's also not the first metal/bone weapon combined with monster parts and very likely not to be the last, once again great jaggi and other early game monsters have this. The difference is how much of the monster parts are actually a part of the weapon. Then you get some weapons like mizutsune and tetsucabra that are more stylized versions of more classical weapon design for some of the weapons they have.
I feel ya a perfectly reasonable take on the whole thing. It is super early I'll admit I mean hell we haven't even got all of the weapon trailers yet, maybe by the end of them all we could have a better idea of where the weapons are going. I just saw enough of a hubbub online and decided to make this video about it. At the end of the day I'll be a little bummed, but it won't stop me from enjoying this game and making content about it to interact with more people just like you!
Hot take but slap on weapons shouldn’t exist period. It would remove personality from low tier monster weapons and ppl wouldn’t likely see the later designs as they’d skip to the higher tier mon weapons fast
Ah I see what you're getting at if all the low tier monsters have slap ons the amount of personality that comes through the weapon after you've crafted it will be lower than it could be.
Oh man might have bad news for you have you seen this Karl Jobst video about Monster Hunter speed running? ruclips.net/video/kfXIEbIAvFc/видео.htmlsi=LpSDyihpIJ_CzwN8 The results of which are because of mods on PC. Kinda bad timing ngl.
I believe they said any monster introduced in world/iceborne will have those designs (there are no Alts for them), and old monsters will have their previous designs back. The Dual Blade silhouette looks like Anjanath to me so slap on Anjanath DB makes sense. So yeah they are returning, just for the worldborne monsters. Old and new mons are safe.
I somewhat agree what you’re saying but in my opinion, they either going to show oh yeah you’re slowly building your weapon then it’s fully customize into the monsters weapon. I would love to have layered weapons from event quest but I don’t wanna see stick on designs. I want to see creative weapons like the hammer in the wilds preview that for all the weapons in wild they have no excuses this time they have now the budget and resources to make not only creative awesome armor resets, but now awesome weapons to match
Yea today’s hammer was kinda nuts. I wonder how that hammer would improve over time visually maybe more parts properly surround the brain and heart? Maybe that’s a final design hammer after making it through the slap on stage? One thing is for sure Wilds will be huge even if they go the slap on route. I’m sure we’ll have layered as a sorry of a band-aid this time if they go that route.
Personally highly doubt they come back honestly. The insect glaive looks fully unique to me. The dual blades seem like an early bone weapon which don't really matter cause they're also technically a unique design, just the weapons built off of them aren't. And all the other weapons we've seen look fantastic so far.
Some people in this very comment section have mentioned something similar in that its ok if the slap ons are just some of the earlier weapons and they get more and more bespoke as you upgrade them.
Capcom in general are pretty smart and actually attentive to community feedback and I never hear myself saying "oh this thing that ruins the game is back again" they usually change up and touch up pretty quick. With all that said, boy am I afraid of slap-ons lmfaoo I played Switch Axe and that thing had like 3 good designs in world/iceborne it was actually tragic
Yes that’s the general sentiment around Capcom. One of the few dev studios who learn from their mistakes. I’m hoping for you and my son that there are FIRE Swaxe designs!
Bits on sticks is honestly not the reason people hate World's weapon design,despite what they say it's actually copy and past,for example the nargacuga CB in World and Rise one you've seen a thousand times over the other you'll only ever see twice, both are metal charge blades with bits of nargacuga on them yet the rise design only twice in the game.
I see what you’re trying to say, but it’s still “bits on sticks” it’s the same “stick” they use over and over for all the monster just different “bits” which is the copy paste part of what I think you’re trying to say.
I'm personally not worried since the Chatacabre glaive looks nothing like a slap on. It doesn't look remotely like the bone glaive or the iron glaive. Look it up right now, and you'll see it's a unique glaive. The only glaives that resemble it are the high level iron slap ons, and even they have only a slightly similar blade shape, with a different blade length and material and the rest of the weapon being different. If you think the Chatacabre glaive looks boring, that's fair, though I personally like it. But it is very likely unique.
I mean I’m fine with it. In the video I’d actually be ok with Chatacabra having slap ons since his thing is his stick spit and he slaps on the environment on his arms to attack you.
The HAMMER...was ALIVE. I think we might be ok lol, or at the very least we'll have a much better balance/bits on sticks are only early in the line and we'll end up unique. I don't think Chatacabra IG is slap on, unless we're getting a new bone IG that is...but at that point they may as well just not do slap ons. But what I don't fet about the worry there is that if we dont know what the 'stick' looks like... what's there to be afraid of? That could just be what the Chatacabra IG looks like. Plus, we gotta remember the difference between Wilds' and World's development situation. Wilds is post blow-up for the series, World was a shot at getting to that blow-up. They now have a BIG reason to sink in more effort...but we'll see
Great points! The hammer is NUTTY. Oh yea even just looking at the views on the weapon trailers so far show just how much Monster Hunter has blown up. No doubt they will put more effort in to the games as a whole knowing they will be successful.
i mean, i saw a man saying that the slap design was caused because they spended alot of money AND time doing the battle for zorah magdaros, soo, if we dont have a zorah magdaros be like here, im completely relieved about it
hmmm I don't doubt that Zora took more time than usual to make! We could get an entirely new siege though which I would whole heartily welcome if its fun and unique!
@@Jaycan i rather prefer that they spend alot of time bringing much more monsters and making the design of the weapons than a siege battle, but hey, thats what i think
I’m confident they’re not going to return - Capcom is decently aware of what the playerbase likes and dislikes. Case in point - the absence of rampage quests in Sunbreak. Besides, this game is a much higher budget production than World, which was built upon an engine held together by rickety boards and glue, so I feel like we can expect them to go all out this time around.
MT Framework catching strays! That is something I’ve commended Capcom on in the past is that they learn and improve over time. Let’s see what we get here hopefully soon!
@@Jaycan MT Framework is a beast! There’s definitely a reason Capcom got so much mileage out of it. But with all due respect for it, you could tell that MHW was really pushing the poor thing to its limits - its age did slightly hold the game back technologically, forcing Capcom into cutting a few corners here and there, which is why I don’t think this has or will be continuing into RE Engine-age MH.
I don't think we'll be getting slap on designs after the HUGE backlash and Sunbreak entirely lacking this problem. Bone weapons should look ugly, they eventually turn INTO other unique weapons and World's issue was making half those weapons for Bone/Iron be slap-on which is a new for the ENTIRE series
True I'm learning more about exactly how people feel through this comment section. The issue is more about the final tier still having slap ons rather than the slap ons existing in general.
@@Jaycan Exactly! In World, only about half of the weapons you'd expect have their final special designs. Including ones from returning monsters which is honestly unacceptable. The Brachydios drumstick bone dualblades and Glavenus and Zinogre lacking their iconic Greatswords are prime examples.
(TL;DR: there are so many different looking weapons to make for each weapon that it would take a lot of time to make them all look unique and different. They should focus on giving powerful monsters unique weapons and not weak monsters like chatacabra.) I dont really understand the hate behind slap on weapons, yeah they’re unoriginal but what did you expect? I counted how many types some weapons have in rise and they all had numbers in the 60s, some in the. 70 s. 60 times 14 is 840, but all of the weapons I counted were way over 60, so they’d have to make like 1000 special weapons completely different from each other and that’d take a lot of time and effort to do, especially when you could just put equip a layered weapon and fix the issue. I just don’t get it. They should instead give the powerful monsters interesting looking weapons instead of the weak monsters like chatacabra.
Oh yea I don't doubt it can be a crazy amount of work designing all the weapons. This is part of the reason I said not every event set can come with every weapon. Some weapons will be easier to adapt to a certain theme than others and thats ok!
@@Jaycan I skipped both base word & rise endgame cause I knew they were gonna save resources for the dlc. Sadly thats gonna be the same fate for base wilds, to boost hype & preorders for the expansion.
True I made a mistake we got it in Iceborne when we got the Tundra added to the Guiding Lands. I actually forgot honest mistake. I've pinned a comment to admit my mistake. Appreciate you calling me out and correcting me.
@@Jaycan No worries homie, i didn't read comments. I just paused as soon as i got to that part cuz triggered, that's on me. The rise sympathizers on reddit who constantly try to fabricate fake reasons wilds is gonna be better than world cuz its "copying good aspects of rise, and getting rid of bad world traits," has been fueling my rage. So much nonsense and coping, i love people on the internet. Good video though, take my like.
Legiana bug glaive is the ultimate pinnacle of laziness. I AM OBSESSED WITH LEGIANA AND BUG GLAIVE. But to actually see that the glaive is the exact same model as the base steel glaive made me ridiculously disappointed and sad
No no I did play it when it was being updated, but that was before I was making videos. I actually forgot about it. I remember when layered came to Sunbreak and how big of a deal they made of it. Honest mistake.
I personally hardly care about weapon designs if they look cool it gets bonus points, my main focus will always be on the armor and from what we've seen so far I am a spoilt princess ooooh mama
Haha I’m happy for you! I’m kinda the same way I tend to focus a little more on function than form. There are some armors where I’m like DAMN it’s ugly, but if that’s the only way I can get the skills to do what I wanna do then we gotta let it rip!
@@Jaycan yeah that's always been a downside with my view, I'm a fashion hunter but here I am with lvl3 guard and heavy artillery while using insect glaive lol. Really hoping wilds will have a more casual approach to layered armors, I also liked rises addition to hide equipment
I really hope they redesigned the majority of world monster weapons if they put any 5th gen monsters into Wilds since about 70% of them were the super lame slap on scales/fur designs.
This is a possibility too, but looking at some of the 5th gen monsters that were in World before Rise and Sunbreak they were the same if I remember correctly.
Honestly, i dont really care about slap on designs that much... I didn't care back in world and never realised the thing before i saw people complaining about it. I still didn't care after listening to others complain about it. Is it a bit meh? Yeah i guess, doeszit ruin everything, absolutely not. Monster Hunter players are so spoiled they complain about the smallest stuff
"Is it a bit meh? Yeah i guess, doeszit ruin everything, absolutely not" This is pretty much exactly where I sit with it. Especially with the presence of layered weapons to help. Monster Hunter is the series that keeps on giving, and now that the fandom is so big its not that hard to find a group of people complaining about any specific aspect of games at this point.
Youd be surprised at how fast this can add up. 14 weapons and lets say a roster of 50 monsters thats 700 weapons to design if you only have one weapon per monster it can get crazy FAST!
I severrly doubt slap ons are coming back We've only seen the bone and metal trees for most of the weapons, the exceptions being the Chata Glaive (early game monster dont expect flashy) and whatever the actual fuck CB and Hammer are doing I wouldnt fear, not yet that is
Yea CB was hella cool, but it makes sense as we've seen them do something like that before for CB. THAT HAMMER THOUGH is nutty! Either way it goes it won't stop me from getting and enjoying the game any way I can.
Weather there are some slap on idc. Imma let capcom cook, cause when master rank drops most holes will be patched and that will be one of them most likely. And as you said there is layed. That's one of the first things they do
Im still very hopeful about there not being bits on sticks on the final upgrades. Now what i am more worried about is events having "bad" rewards. Half of rise/sunbreak events are just not interesting. I do love me some poses and gestures but titles not so much. Edit: i was expecting on seeing the early bone weapons anyway so not worried really (rise really spoiled us on the weapon trailers). And chatas ig COULD be slap on? But i doubt it mainly because of the ball on the control crystal.
Oh yes that’s another topic I’ve gone into heavily a while back. Sunbreak’s events left a lot to be desired for sure. Chata makes the most sense for a slap on because his thing literally is using his spit to slap things in his arm to beat you with lol.
My perspective is that if slap ons gonna be like lower lvl monster weapons and on max upgrade on high rank gonna have unquie skins then im dont mind but if its gonna be like in world that they didnt add glavenus great sword or normal brachy gunlance then i would be unhappy with them :/
Yea that’s a perspective a lot of people share. In the end something unique and dope is desired the beginning of a weapon tree can be slap on for a little bit!
would be a bummer, but in the end world had it and while annoying it dodnt change the fact that it was the best monster hunter game to date. Also if we get weapon transmog from the start it will be less painfull
Facts! Which is part of the point I’m trying to make here in this video to people who feel really strongly about having slap on weapons. Even in some of the showcases we’ve had already we’ve seen some pretty cool weapons. With layered weapons you can just layer those on and keep it pushing!
@@Jaycan I've been playing MH since the beginning and I've grown weary of earning the same weapon and armor designs over the last 20 years. With the layered system offered in the newer games it allows me to customize my weapons the way I like. And I cannot stress enough how much I LOVE customization. I'd argue there weren't enough slap-ons for us to mix and match.
i think that some weapons may have slap ons but at worst it will be a handful i hope or would expect i dont think it will be like plaguing the game like how it was in world where even elders had slap ons. i personally would be fine if a few have them especially for some of the earlier ones like chata but as long as it isnt like overwhelming i will be fine not happy but fine
Oh yea I feel that! Which was World’s problem those Brachydios DBs as a final upgrade left something to be desired for sure. I will admit like I did in the vid that Iceborne came through with Raging and fixed the issue, but before we got that man…
@@Jaycan If I remember correctly, World's weapon modeling team consisted of 4 people. Which is kind of insane and sounds like a production/management issue. I cant imagine they will do the same mistake again in Wilds
This would be a pretty good outcome all things considered. I know some would prefer none of them designed this way, but if it’s only low rank then I think it’ll turn out ok.
The concept was good, just poorly done until iceborne. Slowly building up a weapon into something unique was a cool idea, but clearly they didnt leave enough time to make all those models
Haha I've heard this before. Our intros are similar, but I promise you I don't do it on purpose lol. I tend to be a bit more soft spoken in my videos because I usually get to record at night while the rest of my family is sleeping. I bet if we actually met at like a con or somewhere in real life I'd sound a bit different.
This is my biggest fear for Wilds, World had the most ugly designs which is so anti-Monster Hunter, I really wasn't impressed with Chatacabra and Doshaguma so far. Hope CAPCOM doesn't make the good layered stuff into micro-transactions.
That Gs has come up a couple times in this thread alone. This game is gonna be huge with all the changes it’s bringing. I’m sure the game will be great even if we end up with slap ons.
I mean think about it, I beat the living sht out of these monsters, and all it does is my blade, is the same exact one, just the guard is now covered by their skin, come on now. that doesn't make any sense.
For me if this returns I will not be playing it. If I’m just killing monsters and I don’t care what I’m making, that’s missing the point of monster hunter.
I feel ya I’m more of a stats kinda guy, but it seems we’ll get layered options faster than we ever had before. They mentioned it during one of the gameplay streams from Gamescom I think!
Honestly, while I love Worl/Iceborne as a game, slap-on weapon design is the laziest shit, especially from a VERY heavily funded studio of a multibillion dollar company. It's one thing if MH was part of a smaller company making games, but this is CAPCOM, dude. I'm not saying that even early weaker monsters should have fully unique weapons, but at least the middle or end of the upgrade path for each monster. And the weapon layering system isn't an excuse for this, as only certain weapons could be layered! So players had to resort to mods for their weapons, and sometimes even armor (though that was more rare) to look amazing because of lazy design.
At the time or World’s development MH was much smaller so they probably put less money into the project simply because they didn’t expect the kind of success they got. Now we’re here at Wilds where the Franchise has back to back 15million + titles. Let’s see what they do this time!
I call em weapon tufts. Anyway i really hated worlds weapon design simply because it looked uninspired. Look at what Brachydios weapons had in 3 and then look at world it was a major downgrade in design.
The Slap on weapons were judge very harshly and deservingly so, but un Iceborn with the guiding lands Slap on weapons were kinda cool. Like not also did they have Augments like anyother weapon they have Custom upgrades which squeeze just a bit more juice into them.
Ah yea at that point it could be really cool to have that with some bespoke weapons too when we get to the end game. Idk how deep Wild's endgame will be given its only a Hi rank game. Lets see what they do come expansion time!
I suppose I didn’t actually explain it did I? If you look at this video’s thumbnail you see how I’ve got the Brachydios DBs from World on it? Those DB are the same basic early DBs but they have a little bit of Brachydios parts “slapped on” near the handle. Vs the other design which is something completely unique.
There has always been slap-on weapons really, its just that world did a horrible job. like, calling a great sword with 2 rathalos plates a "rathalos great sword" is stupid. those dual blades could be the base bone ones, like how the bow that was showcased today, looked pretty much like a base bow.
Ah yea for sure. A lot of people in this very comment section have mentioned that having slap-on as the final level was really the biggest problem they had. Oh for sure they could just be base bone blades still gotta wait and see!
I posed the title as a question because we’re still not sure. Explained why we’re even talking about it in the first place. Went over why it won’t be an issue since we have layered weapons now. Talked about the possibility of future event quests giving layered weapons out as a reward. Appreciate the delightful comment! did you thumbs down the video too?
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I forgot we actually got layered weapons in Iceborne as well! Honest mistake by me. Thank you all for correcting me!😅
The world one is actually better and rescues the slap-on thing since you can custom it even further
I don’t think we’re gonna have to worry about it after seeing the Living hammer
Yea that thing is crazy unique! I do wonder if that’s closer to a final upgrade after making through the slap on stage, or if it gets even more intricate as you up grade it.
That hammer design shares some of the 'scrap metal held together with bolts and screws' design seen on the longsword and the hunting horn. Perhaps that's just because they're somewhat early game weapons and when you upgrade it to its final form those parts go away and are replaced with something less cobbled together. Or maybe something else is going on. After all, the greatsword and gunlance didn't seem to have any of that in favor of a 'leather wrapped' theme, and I'm assuming those are 'village tree' weapons. The charge blade is outright 100% a design based on a monster without any of that scrap metal stuff too, so maybe before it's fully upgraded it has some of those scrap metal parts on it and we just happened to see the final version?
If you ask me, some of these designs really give off the impression of a less technological society coming across the plans for these weapons but they are incomplete or they don't have all of the right materials to make it fully work so they just grab bits that they have access to and bolt it together and hope it works. I seem to remember hearing that the village in Monster Hunter Wilds is going to be rather unfamiliar with the concept of hunting as we know it, so they might not have the proper facilities to make the kind of weapons and armor that the forge in MH5 was able to pump out. Even if the smithy is one that's sent from the guild they still need tools and a workshop to work with, and if the village doesn't have anything of that scale, well, you might just get cobbled together weapons until you upgrade the forge.
Hell, I'd be okay with 'bits on sticks' being a motif for low rank armor and weapons, then when you get to high rank you get some quests to upgrade the forge so it can make high rank stuff that looks properly made.
Ooo I’d love to see the forge grow similar to the kitchen and the ancient tree in astera
Big Brain Buster
If they do the progression right I'm not against slapons as early versions of weapons
For sure! I’m with that too it’s nice to watch your weapons get better and better over time eventually becoming a masterpiece!
Seeing them slowly turn from the originals to unique masterpieces is quite cool
Glavenus Greatsword....... Never Forget
That sword has been brought up in this very comment section already. We haven’t forgotten haha
I had the same concern for a very long time, but after seeing the latest weapon showcases I'm much more relieved, there's still a possibility of that happening but it's getting less and less probable imo
Yea I feel that the hammer we saw was insane hell it might be alive! Even if we get some slap ons I’m sure there will be amazing options to layer on.
Considering how much people vocally hated the world weapon designs, it seems weird they would do it again. But if they do, i hope the visual upgrades on a weapon are more varied as you improves them.
i wonder if that dislike was more intense in the west and they just didnt hear it as much because the actual devs might not look much at english speaking content
That would be best if they actually all ended up as bespoke weapons in the end. I know they do pay attention to what we’re saying on social media to an extent.
Really good videos lately btw, ive got a couple of little ones running around as well so i know youre busy. Its cool that you play with your son, respect.
Really good videos lately btw, ive got a couple of little ones running around as well so i know youre busy. Its cool that you play with your son, respect.
Thanks man 2024 has been by far the busiest year of my life even if you take the channel out of it. Comments like these keep me motivated to continue!
They could have bits on sticks but as you get to high/master rank you can add more parts to your weapon and make it not look like a ticks on bits weapon when it’s fully upgraded
Someone else has mentioned this as a possibility which would be great. Just don’t want to see bits on sticks as the highest for a weapon.
I really like MH4U's way of handling weapon designs back then. Some unique design can still change after getting upgraded. Like Seregios or Seltas Queen weapons changed after G Rank
Oh yes MH4U had some amazing weapons and features in it. There’s a reason it’s held in high regard amongst MH fans!
I hope they have more bits on sticks for hammer. Some of my favorite designs were just monster head on a stick, I.e. kut ku
I feel that head on a stick for hammer actually isn’t bad, but some of the weapon trees in World still ended up looking pretty basic even for hammer standards.
Woah woah waoh, Wait a second, @Jaycan, or anyone else, what type of weight was that you were using for the Shield in the SNS cosplay? That looks like it'd be great for not hurting my wrist when I'm doing stupid stuff at home.
Look up smart bar by Les Mills fitness and you should be able to find it. I’m not sure you can buy it a la cart. I lucked out and got them for free because my job was getting rid of them.
Honestly, it seems like every weapon is going to be a progression of either the Bone or Ore tree.
It seems like Wilds is going to have more uniqueness for every weapon, but they're all going to stem from either bone or ore. As the weapons get upgraded, more and more monster parts may be added to really make the weapon seem like it's fully bespoke.
The difference between World and Wilds seems to be that Wilds will have more bespoke designs as the *very base* for certain monsters' weapons, and then those weapons can evolve even further.
Doshaguma's weapons don't have any of Dosha's fur on them, which is different from other monsters. Chatacabra's IG uses bone as a base as well, but the designs are still bespoke to the monster.
It really seems like there will be an old-school style of tree where every monster's weapon will be a direct upgrade of either the Bone or Ore trees.
I can actually see that happening which will end up fine at the end of the day. Since a lot what people have an issue with is when the final designs don't look that different from the beginning designs.
Yeah I think this development team can be trusted with the weapon designs. Bone weapons have looked the same since 2006, MHW was the first game to change their appearance
Some of the weapons we've seen in the weapon trailers have already shown some promise (That Hammer was NUTS), but its still possible we may have some in. Either way I'm sure we'll get layered weapons in quick, so to be it won't be a huge deal.
@@Jaycan I'm hoping layered weapons won't be locked behind end game dlc this time lmao 🤣😂 and either way that Hammer gave me confidence same with Charge Blade and longsword
The Rise weapon designs were honestly great even for low level gear, so they just need to take design philosophy and adapt it into the Wilds art style.
That might be the way the entire game is shaping up tbh!
One thing that makes it clear to me that the Chatacabra Insect glaive isn't a bits on sticks design is that the blade, part of the supposed generic weapon base, somewhat resembles a frog pelvis. And that seems too specific for the weapon of a frog monster to be a generic part that could be used on a bunch of other weapons.
How would you feel if Tetsucabra gets revealed and his IG has the same sort of look?
I think slap on weapons are fine as long as they're only on the first level on a said weapon and mainly in low rank. Like at first, the blacksmiths slap the monsters parts to get its effects, but then get a real "unique" design or design evolution to fully bring the monster's identity in the final weapon.
Example, Anjanath has a lot of unique weapons, but they make up some shity slap on designs like LBG and Rise's DB, but I think Iceborne nine ring bone sword design goes well with him, he just needs a bit of uniqueness to its design. something like a pinkish blabe with the black fur on the ringed back blade.
Ah yea I feel that. A lot of others in this comment section has expressed something similar. They're ok to start, but if they end up as the final design there will be frustration.
I thought the slap on was a great way to start Orr a weapon tree. The fact they finished with it too was the problem. Especially for something iconic like glavenus GS.
Also, Iceborne had layered weapons, not just sun break.
Ah yea that is true I forgot. It came pretty late in the game though after the Tundra region was added to the Guiding Lands right? Here's hoping we get them in a base game!
well... layered weapons and armor on world were... too hard to get, i dont have any from master rank that iisnt an event, cuz they are to grindy.
thats why people forget world had those.
@@Jaycan yeah it was pretty late game. Also late game in rise though wasn't it? Had to do the qurio anomaly missions or something for the tickets
It would be nice if we can get both styles for each weapon because for some I like the base + monster part and some I like the more unique designs.
That would be a lot of work! Everyone would be happy though! There are more people than I thought who liked those designs!
As I saw your video in my notifications, I returned to World to try the Iceborne Dual Blades. When I started augmenting these weapons, I came to the conclussion that I preferred most slap-on designs over most of the original designs. The only exception for the Dual Blades are the Clubs that Jyuaratados and Diablos got.
So if they gave us slap-on designs and give us the layered option to change the base and parts again, I might be more excited than seeing all originals. Since I like a simple detail change over a badly designed original weapon.
In Sunbreak I kind of had the same problem with always going for just a single weapon design and keeping that for the rest of my run. Like using the Teddy Bear or Basarios head as my Hammer for at least 80% of all my Hammer runs. Sword and Shield was the same with the Mizutsune variant. Plus the DLC weapons I bought seemed to get more usage than 90% of all their original design weapons.
Interesting you really like the small changes to the base weapon over time rather than the bespoke designs. Interesting you say that but used the DLC weapons. Which weapon set did you end up buying?
@@Jaycan The fluffy monster weapons. Mainly the Khezu LBG, Goss Harag Dual Blades and Mizu Heavy Bowgun were the ones I bought.
The Fluffy Bowguns both had all their details removed and just gained a lengthened monster plushy. I overused these 2 just because I'm not that into those special handles and how these weapons look when sheathed. The Tigrex and suitcase HBG and Beetle HBG's were the only guns for me that looked good when sheathed, while all other bespoke designs looked weird. But that's mainly because they fold the bowguns. If they didn't fold the bowguns, I might consider more bespoke designs.
Damn, I didn't even think about the dual blades. Brother I was looking at the damn bow like ain't that just a bone bow?! Until the full game comes out, I won't believe these charge blade and hammer overviews beautiful weapons. We truly live in a Yuya Tokuda Monster Hunter LOL
lol I do think think it’ll improve and be better like most other aspects of the game, but we do ultimately have to wait and see!
i honestly think slap ons in the first few stages of low rank are fine but when i see a Zinogre or Vaal Hazak slap on, i'd rather there not be a weapon at all.
i also fully agree that purely cosmetic layered weapons would be cool to add in wilds
Oh man you feel that strongly about those slap ons huh? Not worth the stats if they're going to look like that? Glad you agree with the layered weapon event quest idea!
@@Jaycan i mean yeah, certain monsters don't always have a tree for every weapon, so i feel it would be better to have some exclusivity rather than master rank slap ons. But i also feel most trees could have slap ons for the first level and then upgrade... i mean the Kulve and Kjarr weapons are kinda cool with the monster parts on
If there’s layered armor and weapons built like World/Iceborne I will literally buss
There will probably be layered armor and weapons from the jump!
I can excuse a 'cobbled together' design if they introduced some kind of new mechanic. First I want to point out that in Iceborne you were able to layer weapons when you augment them, but when you do you have three different layering options. The first two you can layer 'parts' which are the grip and hilt and non-attacky parts of the weapon, and second is the 'blade' or the part of the weapon that actually deals the damage. The third kind of layering is using the unique designs that doesn't use the 'slap-on' system to begin with so it wouldn't work with the other two kinds. The point here is that using the 'bits on sticks' system you have the option to change the appearance of two different parts of the weapon.
Now on to what I'm getting at: if the weapons are going to use base World design philosophy with the 'bits on sticks' then what if instead of whole upgrade paths for entire weapons we have upgrade paths for the different parts of the weapon? You could upgrade the grip of the weapon along the Rathalos path and have the blade be upgraded along the Tigrex path, just as an example. It would still look dumb but at least the visuals would match with the weapon, and in late game we're going to be layering over everything anyways.
Appreciate you correcting my mistake we did have layered in Iceborne! That’s super intricate and would allow for more player expression for sure. It could be interesting that along with layered would be great tbh. If you hate it go layered if you like it engage with the system to your hearts content!
Because of the unfinished weapon designs, it spawned the concept of Layered Weapons, which I genuinely hate because it was a band-aid fix to what shouldn't have been in the first place, and as a result, Layered Weapons I feel will be a staple and I genuinely don't want them to, they only exist because of World's mistake, Rise went back to the unique designs, they then gave us Layered Weapons but ONLY for the Rampage weapons, which I was totally ok with since they were the customizable weapons, it made sense, then people begged and complained and now look what happened, it just makes me sad man, I want weapons to go back to their unique flair and never see layered weapons again...
I'm in the camp that player choice is almost always good. If you dislike layered weapons then don't use them this is how I made my mistake and forgot that Iceborne had layered weapons because I never used them haha. I wouldn't want to take away from others who feel they need to use layered weapons or armor because the stats and skills they want are on armors or weapons they don't find appealing. I understand where you're coming from though you want it to feel like you never even have to use the layered weapons.
@@Jaycan I will say that I'm OK with SOME layered weapons, like the Plush weapons, other than that, I still wish they were actual weapons, but I'm fine with them being the only type of layered weapons that we get, also wouldn't mind customizable weapons akin to the Rampage weapons being the only ones that can be layered in Wilds as well, but if they're here to stay then I can't keep complaining, it just pains me of how they came to be, or why they were even made in the first place, but it is what it is at the end of the day
I think I'd be better to avoid creating more slap on design/bits on sticks weapons. We already had evolving weapon designs with the weapons still having the personality of the monsters. 4U is a good game to see this. To put this into perspective, even great jaggi sns had an evolving design for its weapon. You can look into other monsters such as rathalos, zinogre, seltas queen/seltas, zamtrios, and more. Not every weapon git an evolving design, but there were a good amount that did. If you want a crazy evolution design for a weapon, go from the zinogre sns to the lagiacrus sns. They can do the idea of evolving weapon designs with actually good looking weapons from the start. I don't think lowering the standards to subpar designs at the start just to eventually getting something good around the middle to end game.
We'll have to wait and see once the game comes out, and we can see what the rest of the weapons look like. I personally don't think that the chatacabra is a slap on design, especially since I don't remember that blade design in either rise or world for the ig. It's also not the first metal/bone weapon combined with monster parts and very likely not to be the last, once again great jaggi and other early game monsters have this. The difference is how much of the monster parts are actually a part of the weapon. Then you get some weapons like mizutsune and tetsucabra that are more stylized versions of more classical weapon design for some of the weapons they have.
I feel ya a perfectly reasonable take on the whole thing. It is super early I'll admit I mean hell we haven't even got all of the weapon trailers yet, maybe by the end of them all we could have a better idea of where the weapons are going. I just saw enough of a hubbub online and decided to make this video about it. At the end of the day I'll be a little bummed, but it won't stop me from enjoying this game and making content about it to interact with more people just like you!
Hot take but slap on weapons shouldn’t exist period. It would remove personality from low tier monster weapons and ppl wouldn’t likely see the later designs as they’d skip to the higher tier mon weapons fast
Ah I see what you're getting at if all the low tier monsters have slap ons the amount of personality that comes through the weapon after you've crafted it will be lower than it could be.
I hope this isn't the case. If it is, I hope Capcom doesn't outright ban modding. Modders really helped out with the slap on weapon designs in world.
Oh man might have bad news for you have you seen this Karl Jobst video about Monster Hunter speed running?
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The results of which are because of mods on PC. Kinda bad timing ngl.
I believe they said any monster introduced in world/iceborne will have those designs (there are no Alts for them), and old monsters will have their previous designs back.
The Dual Blade silhouette looks like Anjanath to me so slap on Anjanath DB makes sense.
So yeah they are returning, just for the worldborne monsters. Old and new mons are safe.
I think worldborne monsters having slap ons is fine only because there aren't any other options for those monsters imo
Ahhh yes that does make sense! Where did you see that they said that? I’d love to go read up on it myself!
I heard it from the third fleet podcast I believe. I am uncertain which episode though.
I somewhat agree what you’re saying but in my opinion, they either going to show oh yeah you’re slowly building your weapon then it’s fully customize into the monsters weapon. I would love to have layered weapons from event quest but I don’t wanna see stick on designs. I want to see creative weapons like the hammer in the wilds preview that for all the weapons in wild they have no excuses this time they have now the budget and resources to make not only creative awesome armor resets, but now awesome weapons to match
Yea today’s hammer was kinda nuts. I wonder how that hammer would improve over time visually maybe more parts properly surround the brain and heart? Maybe that’s a final design hammer after making it through the slap on stage? One thing is for sure Wilds will be huge even if they go the slap on route. I’m sure we’ll have layered as a sorry of a band-aid this time if they go that route.
Personally highly doubt they come back honestly. The insect glaive looks fully unique to me. The dual blades seem like an early bone weapon which don't really matter cause they're also technically a unique design, just the weapons built off of them aren't. And all the other weapons we've seen look fantastic so far.
Some people in this very comment section have mentioned something similar in that its ok if the slap ons are just some of the earlier weapons and they get more and more bespoke as you upgrade them.
Capcom in general are pretty smart and actually attentive to community feedback and I never hear myself saying "oh this thing that ruins the game is back again" they usually change up and touch up pretty quick.
With all that said, boy am I afraid of slap-ons lmfaoo I played Switch Axe and that thing had like 3 good designs in world/iceborne it was actually tragic
Yes that’s the general sentiment around Capcom. One of the few dev studios who learn from their mistakes. I’m hoping for you and my son that there are FIRE Swaxe designs!
Didn't we get layered weapons from MHW?
yes we did! I actually forgot honest mistake. I've pinned a comment to admit my mistake. Appreciate you calling me out and correcting me.
Bits on sticks is honestly not the reason people hate World's weapon design,despite what they say it's actually copy and past,for example the nargacuga CB in World and Rise one you've seen a thousand times over the other you'll only ever see twice, both are metal charge blades with bits of nargacuga on them yet the rise design only twice in the game.
I see what you’re trying to say, but it’s still “bits on sticks” it’s the same “stick” they use over and over for all the monster just different “bits” which is the copy paste part of what I think you’re trying to say.
@@Jaycan That is exactly what I said
I'm personally not worried since the Chatacabre glaive looks nothing like a slap on.
It doesn't look remotely like the bone glaive or the iron glaive. Look it up right now, and you'll see it's a unique glaive. The only glaives that resemble it are the high level iron slap ons, and even they have only a slightly similar blade shape, with a different blade length and material and the rest of the weapon being different.
If you think the Chatacabre glaive looks boring, that's fair, though I personally like it. But it is very likely unique.
I mean I’m fine with it. In the video I’d actually be ok with Chatacabra having slap ons since his thing is his stick spit and he slaps on the environment on his arms to attack you.
The HAMMER...was ALIVE. I think we might be ok lol, or at the very least we'll have a much better balance/bits on sticks are only early in the line and we'll end up unique.
I don't think Chatacabra IG is slap on, unless we're getting a new bone IG that is...but at that point they may as well just not do slap ons. But what I don't fet about the worry there is that if we dont know what the 'stick' looks like... what's there to be afraid of? That could just be what the Chatacabra IG looks like.
Plus, we gotta remember the difference between Wilds' and World's development situation. Wilds is post blow-up for the series, World was a shot at getting to that blow-up. They now have a BIG reason to sink in more effort...but we'll see
Great points! The hammer is NUTTY. Oh yea even just looking at the views on the weapon trailers so far show just how much Monster Hunter has blown up. No doubt they will put more effort in to the games as a whole knowing they will be successful.
i mean, i saw a man saying that the slap design was caused because they spended alot of money AND time doing the battle for zorah magdaros, soo, if we dont have a zorah magdaros be like here, im completely relieved about it
hmmm I don't doubt that Zora took more time than usual to make! We could get an entirely new siege though which I would whole heartily welcome if its fun and unique!
@@Jaycan i rather prefer that they spend alot of time bringing much more monsters and making the design of the weapons than a siege battle, but hey, thats what i think
I’m confident they’re not going to return - Capcom is decently aware of what the playerbase likes and dislikes. Case in point - the absence of rampage quests in Sunbreak. Besides, this game is a much higher budget production than World, which was built upon an engine held together by rickety boards and glue, so I feel like we can expect them to go all out this time around.
MT Framework catching strays! That is something I’ve commended Capcom on in the past is that they learn and improve over time. Let’s see what we get here hopefully soon!
@@Jaycan MT Framework is a beast! There’s definitely a reason Capcom got so much mileage out of it. But with all due respect for it, you could tell that MHW was really pushing the poor thing to its limits - its age did slightly hold the game back technologically, forcing Capcom into cutting a few corners here and there, which is why I don’t think this has or will be continuing into RE Engine-age MH.
I don't think we'll be getting slap on designs after the HUGE backlash and Sunbreak entirely lacking this problem. Bone weapons should look ugly, they eventually turn INTO other unique weapons and World's issue was making half those weapons for Bone/Iron be slap-on which is a new for the ENTIRE series
True I'm learning more about exactly how people feel through this comment section. The issue is more about the final tier still having slap ons rather than the slap ons existing in general.
@@Jaycan Exactly! In World, only about half of the weapons you'd expect have their final special designs. Including ones from returning monsters which is honestly unacceptable. The Brachydios drumstick bone dualblades and Glavenus and Zinogre lacking their iconic Greatswords are prime examples.
(TL;DR: there are so many different looking weapons to make for each weapon that it would take a lot of time to make them all look unique and different. They should focus on giving powerful monsters unique weapons and not weak monsters like chatacabra.)
I dont really understand the hate behind slap on weapons, yeah they’re unoriginal but what did you expect? I counted how many types some weapons have in rise and they all had numbers in the 60s, some in the. 70 s. 60 times 14 is 840, but all of the weapons I counted were way over 60, so they’d have to make like 1000 special weapons completely different from each other and that’d take a lot of time and effort to do, especially when you could just put equip a layered weapon and fix the issue. I just don’t get it. They should instead give the powerful monsters interesting looking weapons instead of the weak monsters like chatacabra.
Oh yea I don't doubt it can be a crazy amount of work designing all the weapons. This is part of the reason I said not every event set can come with every weapon. Some weapons will be easier to adapt to a certain theme than others and thats ok!
I'm okay if its on the base game, the dlc however I want hands down the whole capcom art department to design them.
Ah don’t want to see another Lunastra situation?
@@Jaycan I skipped both base word & rise endgame cause I knew they were gonna save resources for the dlc. Sadly thats gonna be the same fate for base wilds, to boost hype & preorders for the expansion.
Imagine thinking sunbreak "brought to the table" layered weapons. This was in Iceborne before rise was even released...
True I made a mistake we got it in Iceborne when we got the Tundra added to the Guiding Lands. I actually forgot honest mistake. I've pinned a comment to admit my mistake. Appreciate you calling me out and correcting me.
@@Jaycan No worries homie, i didn't read comments. I just paused as soon as i got to that part cuz triggered, that's on me. The rise sympathizers on reddit who constantly try to fabricate fake reasons wilds is gonna be better than world cuz its "copying good aspects of rise, and getting rid of bad world traits," has been fueling my rage. So much nonsense and coping, i love people on the internet. Good video though, take my like.
Ah I appreciate you. I feel like we’re gonna get a lot of the good traits from both of them which is ideal! Thanks for commenting!
Legiana bug glaive is the ultimate pinnacle of laziness. I AM OBSESSED WITH LEGIANA AND BUG GLAIVE. But to actually see that the glaive is the exact same model as the base steel glaive made me ridiculously disappointed and sad
If Legiana does return I hope it gets a bomb ass redesign for you!
I’m guessing you didn’t play World because by the end of Iceborne there was both layered Armor and Weapons.
No no I did play it when it was being updated, but that was before I was making videos. I actually forgot about it. I remember when layered came to Sunbreak and how big of a deal they made of it. Honest mistake.
@@Jaycan oh ok yeah it’s not a big deal at all, was really just informing you if you didn’t know. Thanks for the quick response!
Rathalos sns gives me reason to hope
Oh yea it was a slick looking weapon and trailer for sure!
I personally hardly care about weapon designs if they look cool it gets bonus points, my main focus will always be on the armor and from what we've seen so far I am a spoilt princess ooooh mama
Haha I’m happy for you! I’m kinda the same way I tend to focus a little more on function than form. There are some armors where I’m like DAMN it’s ugly, but if that’s the only way I can get the skills to do what I wanna do then we gotta let it rip!
@@Jaycan yeah that's always been a downside with my view, I'm a fashion hunter but here I am with lvl3 guard and heavy artillery while using insect glaive lol. Really hoping wilds will have a more casual approach to layered armors, I also liked rises addition to hide equipment
I really hope they redesigned the majority of world monster weapons if they put any 5th gen monsters into Wilds since about 70% of them were the super lame slap on scales/fur designs.
This is a possibility too, but looking at some of the 5th gen monsters that were in World before Rise and Sunbreak they were the same if I remember correctly.
Honestly, i dont really care about slap on designs that much... I didn't care back in world and never realised the thing before i saw people complaining about it. I still didn't care after listening to others complain about it. Is it a bit meh? Yeah i guess, doeszit ruin everything, absolutely not. Monster Hunter players are so spoiled they complain about the smallest stuff
"Is it a bit meh? Yeah i guess, doeszit ruin everything, absolutely not" This is pretty much exactly where I sit with it. Especially with the presence of layered weapons to help. Monster Hunter is the series that keeps on giving, and now that the fandom is so big its not that hard to find a group of people complaining about any specific aspect of games at this point.
I'm pretyy sure even average designer can make a better concept and design of realistic approach than slap on design.
Youd be surprised at how fast this can add up. 14 weapons and lets say a roster of 50 monsters thats 700 weapons to design if you only have one weapon per monster it can get crazy FAST!
I severrly doubt slap ons are coming back
We've only seen the bone and metal trees for most of the weapons, the exceptions being the Chata Glaive (early game monster dont expect flashy) and whatever the actual fuck CB and Hammer are doing
I wouldnt fear, not yet that is
Yea CB was hella cool, but it makes sense as we've seen them do something like that before for CB. THAT HAMMER THOUGH is nutty! Either way it goes it won't stop me from getting and enjoying the game any way I can.
Weather there are some slap on idc. Imma let capcom cook, cause when master rank drops most holes will be patched and that will be one of them most likely. And as you said there is layed. That's one of the first things they do
Oh for sure thats about where I'm at to, but there are others who are a bit more passionate about slap ons if they are in.
Im still very hopeful about there not being bits on sticks on the final upgrades. Now what i am more worried about is events having "bad" rewards. Half of rise/sunbreak events are just not interesting. I do love me some poses and gestures but titles not so much.
Edit: i was expecting on seeing the early bone weapons anyway so not worried really (rise really spoiled us on the weapon trailers). And chatas ig COULD be slap on? But i doubt it mainly because of the ball on the control crystal.
Oh yes that’s another topic I’ve gone into heavily a while back. Sunbreak’s events left a lot to be desired for sure. Chata makes the most sense for a slap on because his thing literally is using his spit to slap things in his arm to beat you with lol.
My perspective is that if slap ons gonna be like lower lvl monster weapons and on max upgrade on high rank gonna have unquie skins then im dont mind but if its gonna be like in world that they didnt add glavenus great sword or normal brachy gunlance then i would be unhappy with them :/
Yea that’s a perspective a lot of people share. In the end something unique and dope is desired the beginning of a weapon tree can be slap on for a little bit!
would be a bummer, but in the end world had it and while annoying it dodnt change the fact that it was the best monster hunter game to date. Also if we get weapon transmog from the start it will be less painfull
Facts! Which is part of the point I’m trying to make here in this video to people who feel really strongly about having slap on weapons. Even in some of the showcases we’ve had already we’ve seen some pretty cool weapons. With layered weapons you can just layer those on and keep it pushing!
One of the ones that happens to like the stupid slap-ons.
Oh yea? More immersive for you?
@@Jaycan I've been playing MH since the beginning and I've grown weary of earning the same weapon and armor designs over the last 20 years. With the layered system offered in the newer games it allows me to customize my weapons the way I like. And I cannot stress enough how much I LOVE customization. I'd argue there weren't enough slap-ons for us to mix and match.
I mean rise is msde in the same engine. They can just scale the textures up and put those dressings into wilds
You mean the event quest armors or the weapons?
@@Jaycan normal weapons and armor that you can just get it by hunting
i think that some weapons may have slap ons but at worst it will be a handful i hope or would expect i dont think it will be like plaguing the game like how it was in world where even elders had slap ons. i personally would be fine if a few have them especially for some of the earlier ones like chata but as long as it isnt like overwhelming i will be fine not happy but fine
I feel ya that is a reasonable take for sure.
I actually really like world's designs more ngl, I've always gone for a more realistic look tho so thats prolly just me
Nah you’re not the only one trust me! Y’know what that’s ok too. You probably won’t end up using layered weapons as much as others it’s all good!
I dont see how slap on design can be realistically functional. Wouldnt the slap-on monster part make the weapons actually heavier for no reason?
Only the brachydios dual blades and the glavenus greatsword need the slap on design
The need them, or need not to have them?
@@Jaycan Yes
There is nothing wrong with "slap on designs", the problem is when it's the entire game.
Yup yup I've heard that a lot in this comment section. Which makes the issue even easier to fix if you think about it!
I have no problem with slap on designs when it's just the early versions of a weapon. I even prefer that. But as a final design it's inhumanly cringe
Oh yea I feel that! Which was World’s problem those Brachydios DBs as a final upgrade left something to be desired for sure. I will admit like I did in the vid that Iceborne came through with Raging and fixed the issue, but before we got that man…
@@Jaycan
If I remember correctly, World's weapon modeling team consisted of 4 people. Which is kind of insane and sounds like a production/management issue. I cant imagine they will do the same mistake again in Wilds
I think the slap ons are gonna be relegated to the lower ranked/rarity weapons.
This would be a pretty good outcome all things considered. I know some would prefer none of them designed this way, but if it’s only low rank then I think it’ll turn out ok.
I don't care care either way as long as weapon looks good
I feel ya!
It looks damn good
I’m glad you like it! Some others have expressed how much they dislike it.
Welcome back MHW
That Acronym still works!
That glaive is far from slap on design.
Bro we already had layered weapons in iceborne
You right! I actually forgot, honest mistake. I've pinned a comment to admit my mistake. Appreciate you calling me out and correcting me.
Fashion Hunters unite!
Oh yea they out here! I’ve got some on the channel due to some fashion shows I’ve hosted in the past. Y’all go all out I swear!
The concept was good, just poorly done until iceborne. Slowly building up a weapon into something unique was a cool idea, but clearly they didnt leave enough time to make all those models
Yea that’s more than likely what happened. While base World was being developed Monster Hunter in general was a much smaller franchise!
iceborne had layered weapons too
Trueeee! I actually forgot honest mistake. I've pinned a comment to admit my mistake. Appreciate you calling me out and correcting me.
Nobody thinks slap on design is coming back they had to much backlash so it would be stupid for them to ruin the best game the have made with slap ons
Let’s hope! Though I’d be okay either way especially if layered is a thing!
Yooo, capcom gonna commission you for some new layered weapon designs now lmaooo
LMAO I'm glad you enjoyed the turbo cringe!
@@Jaycan you say cringe i say creative 🙏🏾
Not really a fan of layered weapons ngl
Oh? You prefer to not use them or you don’t want them in the game at all?
You sound like DearGamer... Cadence and everything.
Haha I've heard this before. Our intros are similar, but I promise you I don't do it on purpose lol. I tend to be a bit more soft spoken in my videos because I usually get to record at night while the rest of my family is sleeping. I bet if we actually met at like a con or somewhere in real life I'd sound a bit different.
I like the Hammer where they actually just took heads or monster parts and slapped it on a Stick lmao
This is my biggest fear for Wilds, World had the most ugly designs which is so anti-Monster Hunter, I really wasn't impressed with Chatacabra and Doshaguma so far. Hope CAPCOM doesn't make the good layered stuff into micro-transactions.
Hmmm a legit concern with some of the layered sets came as a MTX in Sunbreak.
Glavenus GS in Iceborne was an absolute travesty. I'll never forgive capcom for that sort of laziness. Please don't drop the ball on this game...
That Gs has come up a couple times in this thread alone. This game is gonna be huge with all the changes it’s bringing. I’m sure the game will be great even if we end up with slap ons.
I mean think about it, I beat the living sht out of these monsters, and all it does is my blade, is the same exact one, just the guard is now covered by their skin, come on now. that doesn't make any sense.
It is kinda goofy not to take a hard scale or tooth to make a new blade to attach it to the leather guard you improved.
For me if this returns I will not be playing it. If I’m just killing monsters and I don’t care what I’m making, that’s missing the point of monster hunter.
I feel ya I’m more of a stats kinda guy, but it seems we’ll get layered options faster than we ever had before. They mentioned it during one of the gameplay streams from Gamescom I think!
Honestly, while I love Worl/Iceborne as a game, slap-on weapon design is the laziest shit, especially from a VERY heavily funded studio of a multibillion dollar company. It's one thing if MH was part of a smaller company making games, but this is CAPCOM, dude. I'm not saying that even early weaker monsters should have fully unique weapons, but at least the middle or end of the upgrade path for each monster. And the weapon layering system isn't an excuse for this, as only certain weapons could be layered! So players had to resort to mods for their weapons, and sometimes even armor (though that was more rare) to look amazing because of lazy design.
At the time or World’s development MH was much smaller so they probably put less money into the project simply because they didn’t expect the kind of success they got. Now we’re here at Wilds where the Franchise has back to back 15million + titles. Let’s see what they do this time!
I call em weapon tufts. Anyway i really hated worlds weapon design simply because it looked uninspired. Look at what Brachydios weapons had in 3 and then look at world it was a major downgrade in design.
Oh yea thats why I put them in the thumbnail they really show how different both ideas are!
The Slap on weapons were judge very harshly and deservingly so, but un Iceborn with the guiding lands Slap on weapons were kinda cool. Like not also did they have Augments like anyother weapon they have Custom upgrades which squeeze just a bit more juice into them.
Ah yea at that point it could be really cool to have that with some bespoke weapons too when we get to the end game. Idk how deep Wild's endgame will be given its only a Hi rank game. Lets see what they do come expansion time!
hopefully not
mhw was almost perfect but then the weap designs was bad...
Iceborne did come through and remedy most of them though, so we have a chance to make noise and hopefully get it fixed come expansion time!
Bits on sticks is fun to say but not to play 😂😂😂😂
BARS! You spitting right now!
nothing wrong with slapons as long as they actually evolve like they were originally intended to in World imo
That’s a fair and based take right there. It’s cool to see a weapon evolve drastically a couple times as you upgrade it!
please no slap on
Many others share the sentiment!
what the heck are... slap on weapons?
I suppose I didn’t actually explain it did I? If you look at this video’s thumbnail you see how I’ve got the Brachydios DBs from World on it? Those DB are the same basic early DBs but they have a little bit of Brachydios parts “slapped on” near the handle. Vs the other design which is something completely unique.
@@Jaycan Ah I see, yeah I hope they do complete ones, but if not we'll have mods at least
There has always been slap-on weapons really, its just that world did a horrible job.
like, calling a great sword with 2 rathalos plates a "rathalos great sword" is stupid. those dual blades could be the base bone ones, like how the bow that was showcased today, looked pretty much like a base bow.
Ah yea for sure. A lot of people in this very comment section have mentioned that having slap-on as the final level was really the biggest problem they had. Oh for sure they could just be base bone blades still gotta wait and see!
Rise had better weapon designs
For the brand new monsters of their respective games I kinda agree! Though it is a matter of preference.
Delightful, obvious rage bait title for an 8 minute video where nothing of substance was said
I posed the title as a question because we’re still not sure. Explained why we’re even talking about it in the first place. Went over why it won’t be an issue since we have layered weapons now. Talked about the possibility of future event quests giving layered weapons out as a reward. Appreciate the delightful comment! did you thumbs down the video too?
It's a catfish. I don't think it has thumbs. Or a brain for that matter
God I hope not. One of the low points of world, honestly.
We have seen some cool designs already, but hey its a small possibility. Ultimately we still have to wait and see!