People mentioned that i was wrong about the weapon stats in the beginning of the video saying that the weapon has become more popular as the percentage goes up from 1.8 to 3.0. And perhaps they are right. But we can't forget that if we rank the weapons the lance went from second least played (GU) to least played weapon (Rise) Maybe i wasn't 100% accurate. Absolutely possible! I'm not perfect either. Regardless i believe the video is still correct as it does explain why the average person picks other weapons over the lance. Hence the title: Why nobody plays lance.
You just explained how you aren't correct. Stop doubling down because math is hard for you lol. Lance is the least picked weapon - cool, but lets not turn our brains off quite just yet. World (and Rise) sold a hell of a lot more than GU AND the percentage of players using the lance is higher than in GU. That flat out means more people are using the lance. And if it's the least picked now at 3% while it was the second to last in GU at 1.8% the only thing that tells me is that weapon distribution is looking better now than a generation ago. I'm not taking issue with your title - every Lance main knows their weapon is a niche pick. I'm taking issue with the giant contradiction at the very start of your video that essentially said "more people are playing lance than ever before, so obviously lance is losing popularity".
@@bennyhoffa7648 this! Lance got a higher percentage of player population playing it in Rise compared to World. The decrease in placement comes only because players that played popular weapons switched to OTHER low popularity weapons that aren't lance, thus increasing their percentage more. Overall Lance has seen a 50% increase in player population percentage here.
It doesnt really matter if you're accurate or not. Your video is just clout bait anyway. Lance is one of the strongest weapons in any MH. always was, always will be. Popularity, as in many things in life, does not matter at all.
As a lance and gunlance main I dont care about being flashy, I simply want to look a monster dead in the eyes and go "I can tank that" before stabbing repeatedly with an oversized spear. I wish to embody THE WALL.
I think it's just false advertising. Lance is touted as a highly defensive, highly immobile, non flashy weapon. And it is, when you're a beginner. But when you learn it, it becomes more offensive oriented, highly maneuverable in terms of being able to be exactly where you need to be and hit exactly where you need to hit, and can do some really badass things. Monsters just cannot shake off a skilled lance player, you're like an evil barnacle on their side. And in truth, i'm fine with lance being unpopular. It makes it more satisfying when you party up and have people going "Wait, you can do that!?"
Counters fatalis downward fire breath while eating the damage but regaining via counter-poking 3 or 4 times back to back I'm not sure if any other weapon can tank that while doing damage
The thing with lance is that it largely appeals to a certain kind of player that's somewhat rare. A huge majority of players feel powerful by dishing out huge amounts of damage, whether it be in a series of small but fast attacks, one big super charged up attack, or 'special moves' that requires preparation before a payoff. The point is, most people like to be "DPS", to reference the 'holy trinity', not so much 'tank' or 'support/heal'. Personally, I'm the type of person that feels powerful by being able to tank big hits and shrug them off like it's nothing. Or, redirecting an enemy's attack back at them, as is the case with counter attacks (which as you said, longsword does this now so people who like counters are just going to pick that over the lance anyways, especially since their counter doesn't even need guard skills slotted to function properly). Thing is, tanking hits doesn't complete hunts, dealing damage does. Assuming you have the right build with augments that heal you as you poke and basically remove sharpness depletion, you can have much more uptime attacking the monster than other weapons, since you don't need to dodge out of the way and can instead just tank the hit... _usually_... Then of course we have specific attacks that not even Guard Up helps with. Even with all those skills you still take chip damage, get huge knockbacks despite having the largest, beefiest shield in the game, and lose sharpness faster than dual blades... it can be pretty disheartening. I'm really hoping for something special in the upcoming Lance showcase for Wilds. At the time of writing the next showcase comes out in about 2 and a half hours, so who knows, we could find out today, and if not I consider myself pretty patient, I'll wait and admire all the cool stuff other weapons are getting too because so far Capcom have been on fire with what we've seen thus far. EDIT: Forgot to mention mobility is actually pretty damn good but rather unintuitive. A new player isn't going to know all the tricks to stick to the monster.
Honestly when I tank a big hit it feels like those moments in shows where the smoke clears and you see the bad guy is still standing after the hero’s best attack. And you are the bad guy. It feels really cool
@@dipwad7459 That's a great way to put it. It's probably an anime trope but it reminds me of Earth Defense Force 5. "What, no damage?" "Huh... They didn't dodge because *they didn't need to*... Damn..."
@@Zulban48 EDF!! EDF!! It's good to see another Lance player who defends our Mother Earth. Though funnily enough, I play more Air Raider than Fencer...
@@moldyshishkabob To save our Mother Earth from any alien attack... I discovered the games pretty late so I played a bit of 4.1 and then quickly moved on to EDF 5 which had just came out. I still think that EDF 5 is the overall best game out of the three I've played even if 4.1 had the best campiness. 6 seemed ambitious and had some gameplay improvements but I haven't even tried to play air raider in it due to how the story is structured and because they nerfed a lot of what I liked about EDF 5 air raider to be practically unusable. Still can't get any of my friends interested in these games though, so I just play them solo.
@@Zulban48 Dang, I hope you can get some people on-board. Multiplayer is such a blast. I haven't even gotten into EDF6 yet due to the whole Epic stuff, as I refuse to sign up for an account.
Doesn't need to be flashy if I can plant myself in a monsters face and confidently solo-jab it to death. Lance is the real "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me" of the MH arsenal.
I’ve honestly never liked lance before rise but just spamming guard dash back into that jumping stab over and over felt so ridiculously broken that after I picked it up for a quick singular hunt I just abused it for months
sadly people mainly focus on "hey llok this weapon can do anime stuff like the iai slash or the Levi spinning dual blades move! Lance? that slow af immobile weapon? bleah" true chads are us lance mains brother
@@whitesage922same reason a lot of people dont play horn. They get they idea it's passive and support. And not a hammer that sacrifices a tiny amount of mobility for buffs.
What Lance need is built-in Offensive Guard. And it would be cool if your shield gets charged up by perfect block timing then you unleash a powerful shield bash counter that can stun. Also a passive brace would be nice. Lance is supposed to be solid and stable so getting flinched by little attacks doesn't seem right.
I agree, and i think we might just get some of this. It seems that by looking at all of the changes made to the other weapons so far in Wilds, that Capcom does really understand what changes the weapons need. So fingers crossed we get at the very least built in flinch resistance and hopefully built in offensive guard aswell.
@@Ferra21 I was thinking of the movie 300 when they shove the enemies back with their shields, but yeah similar mechanic to royal guard and CB's guard point
Been saying this for years, offensive guard should just be a property of the weapon itself instead of being a skill. The skill tax for shield weapons has gotten increasingly bloated and minimizing even one of them into a base mechanic would help a lot.
I think there are 2 things people really miss: - viable shield attack for KO - at least one HIGH (!) damage move similar to wyvern fire C'mon Capcom - let me be a mobile Dragonator
Funny people say that lance "doesn't look flashy." I literally started using it because I saw a speedrun of primordial malzeno that just beat the absolute shit out of it and it looked fun.
I think this perfectly sums up how I got into Lance myself. It wasnt the most flashy weapon but when I started to learn how to do counters in combat and successfully KOd a monster with it. It felt so amazing and I fell in love with lance
I have never felt more badass playing MH, than chain-insta blocking crazy ults in Sunbreak ahahaha. My mind immediately goes to Lucent Nargs big spin-to-win move. That satisfying "ding, ding, ding, ding" after each insta-block is soooo satisfying.
I recall evade-lancing in 4U which was always goofy and fun. Lance then was actually highly mobile and one of the best dodgers, since evasion 3 meant 100% of your side step duration was i-framed. Pair with evade extender and you could back-hop across the map as fast as anyone else. It's actually still fairly mobile, but getting that mobility isn't as intuitive. Lance has been a longterm favorite for me and is my most used weapon. One of the coolest moments I've had was in multiplayer against the fatalis in Iceborne, and realizing that my shield actually would part his fire breath attack. Dashing in front of a stumbled ally to save them from the flames felt SO rad. But overall, lance's appeal hinges a lot on the matchup; it feels great against fatalis, but horrible against alatreon, etc. You're meant to be able to attack while being attacked, yet fights that punish countering disproportionately hurt lance more than any other weapon; and they tend to introduce more and more of these fights late game. Sunbreak's lance also has felt way better compared to Rise as they buffed some of its numbers and adjusted how some of the wirebug skills work, though it's definitely more of a sustain / death-by-a-thousand-cuts weapon. I honestly wish that they'd just remove tripping or just give most of its moves super armor; a lot of skills for lance just feel too mandatory to get by, which reduces your ability to slot in more interesting or offensive skills.
That's the reason why i didn't really liked lance in the first place, you never feel in danger That's why i love the perfect guard in GU and sunbreak, i love high-risk/high-reward thing
What most non believers don't understand is that the Lance is a counter weapon. It is very balanced because of its defensive and counter offensive abilities. The commoners want us behind that wall. They need us behind that wall.
The only thing its missing for me is some kind of big finisher. I mean cmon, even SnS got Perfect Rush, why cant Lance at least get a cool move for knockdowns?
The Lance could use a charge attack with a long wind up, a series of shield bashes that count as guarding but increase chip damage taken, do a mounted charging attack thats like our regular charge but on steroids, or our counter attacks could instantly apply wounds.
@@tipsy634 OBJECTION! Claw Counter is practically a drug in Iceborne, and shows off how good the Clutch Claw could have been had it been given the same implementation into all of the weapons.
Not many people like the Lance playstyle but they are loved when a Lance joins your party cuz they are the ultimate tank same with Hunting Horn hunters. They are both heroes in your party
@@axis8396what the lance does is defined as tanking. Tanks absorb damage for the rest of the party. Lance absorbs damage for the rest of the party, and there's even enemies like Safii and Behemoth where you can draw their aggro and make them focus on you. In these fights especially lance players literally are tanks, as a good lance player will be drawing the aggro of these guys so they only attack the lancer, and the lancer blocks all the attacks thrown at them. That is tanking, there's no need to be so uptight
@@ghoulishgoober3122The problem is that this mechanic only worked for a few specific hunts instead of every hunt. In Wilds, there's a little more attention given to the idea of weapon roles, but the Luring Pod (the aggro mechanic item) can be used by *any* hunter. Long story short, if Lance is going to be a true tank in Monster Hunter, it needs to have a built-in aggro mechanic.
Honestly, it sucks that the lance has really "gotten worse" by not getting any meaningful buffs. I soloed all of Monster Hunter Tri with the lance, back on the Wii U. I tried to get back into it in world, as it's a very consistent weapon, but it really just takes too much to get it started in the newer games. Despite the older games generally being more difficult, I don't remember lance having quite the issues that it does. Frankly, all weapons should be viable on their own, and any skills should just add to it and make it feel better, smoother, and maybe open up some new options, but never be a requirement for it be reasonably functional.
I'm a hh refugee who switched to lance in sunbreak after they massacred my boy, and i was absolutely shook when i found out it was the least popular weapon. I started with it because of how difficult dodging is in Rise, then realized just how tight it is. I love insta-blocking, repositioning with sheathing retreat, and finding the best places to use skyward thrust.
@@aaronkinganimations9495 I'm not them, but I share a similar sentiment of Rise Horn not being the same weapon I came to love. Wilds looks to be a step in the right direction, but I'm still apprehensive until we can see the UI.
@@baconberries8097 100% agree with you on this topic, i played HH like alot on MHW maybe about 3K kill on monster, it was fun then dancing with monster playing with positioning. But what they did to HH in rise is just stupid. Im glad that they are using HH world mechanic for Wild. Can't wait to bonk monster with it
The fun of playing Lance for me is that it’s a lot like a dance where the monster leads and you stick to it like glue, never letting up, having a response for every possible situation. A lot of people have the notion that Lance’s mobility is bad in some way, and frankly I find that if you actually use its full toolbox, it has some of the best positional control in the game. You obviously have steps, but there’s also guard dashes, an insanely powerful movement utility, and for gapclosing, nothing comes close to the charge, outpacing every other weapon easily, while also being able to turn on a dime.
nothing beats the sound of your dual blades teammate slapping your shield while on power guard, 10/10 i am literally the drumset p.s. my initial playthru of world was with LS came back last year with all the hype and i tried lance, stuck with it for 500 hours, 10/10 weapon it is so satisfying to use ALSO NOTHING BEATS GUARDING AGAINST FATALIS FLAME BREATH, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE FEELING WITH MAXED OUT MUSIC AND U DO THAT WHILE UR 3 LS TEAMMATES RUSH TO COVER lance also makes me feel like a matador vs furious rajang it's indescribable, but it is C I N E M A
First the Things i disagree with in the video: 1.Lance's popularity has been increasing not decreasing. Yes in mhgu it was at rank 13 and in the other two it was at 14 but the actual % of players playing the weapon has increased. GL just increased more thats all. 2. I dont think giving Lance a new combo would destroy the weapon. Lance in sunbreak uses mostly Gruard advance + leaping thrust and it still plays super aggressivly like it should. I think the way mhgu and mhr tried to go about it was just wrong. mhr went for slapping which just feels wrong. And mhgu's longer poke on its own was fine but it replaced the third poke meaning, if you didnt have enough time to do it, your main combo was just 2 pokes. Things i agree with: 1. Insta block is fun but the counter shouldnt be two slaps and it also takes you out of the fight, since you have to stop attacking in order to use it, unlike the other counters (still really f*cking fun though) 2. Lance is way to deco dependend. Decrease the sharpness cost, give it build in guard up (not just on power guard) and give its block/counters an build in insta block effect, so you dont have to build guard anymore if you're good enough at timing. 3. It's not flashy and could easily be. Just give it corckscrew jab back or drill attacks or the hundred thusts from mh explore or an attack where you throw the weapon or two hand the lance etc. There are many things you can do to make lance flashy without destroying the weapon. And if they are worried that people will start spamming it, just attach it to a bar that needs to be filled up first like mhgu did or make the attack take so long that using it is a huge risk, so you cant always use it, like corckscrew jab. 4. Multiplayer lance isn't as fun. Lance's counters are super fun but in multi player the monster doesn't always attack you. Having a high animation commitment attck that is flashy and hits hard, that you can do in those times the monster isn't attacking you, would help a lot with that. (and almost every weapon has an attack like that. Even faster weapons like dual blades (blade dance) or bow (thousand dragons) have high animation commitment attacks. 5. Lance would benifit from an actual weapon tutorial. Lance has all of the mobility it needs, but since it's way harder to use than on other weapons newer players will feel slow and clunky.
@@moonflowerpalace3872 i meant that the mobility on lance is harder to use, since you cant rely on the normal walking speed and dodges. Which makes it feel slow and clunly for newcomers
knowing when to counter, when to block when to evade is one of the best parts of lance, do it right and you literally never have to stop attacking unless you're preparing a counter attack plus you get a big ass shield and look awesome. lance #1 wep
I'm a horn main and in Rise I bounced between a bunch of weapons. I tried counter lance once, and it has quickly become a favorite. I've had so much fun.
In my my opinion what lance would need most is more shield based attacks to help your team's hammer/HH to build KO and exhaust and a flashier strong finisher during a large opening. Main issue with multi poke in GU was how it was lenghty and replaced the third poke, but what if you could do it on command after the third poke? Rise's Swipe worked as well, but it was hard getting used to implement it to the poke combo due to muscle memory
As long as Capcom doesn't ever remove or ruin the lance, I'm okay with it being unpopular and underrated. I feel part of the lance identity nowadays is the camaraderie of meeting your fellow lancers in the wild, and how much love we all have for our weapon no matter who else likes it
@@KeltEiferschild that doesn't "ruin" lance it just makes longsword more effective? I don't care if longsword can counter it's not as fun as lance and that's what I'm referring to
@@jgee9272 Makes more effective, with no skills, no punishment and more damage, it's an obivous trash way to balance the game because you literaly have zero reason do to less damage, have less speed and need a spesific build that dosen't let you put more damage skills on it if you can have everything for free, but it is what it is
I think another good change would be for the chip damage to make your loss hp go red instead of black. That way it still cost you hp to block powerful attacks, but if you play perfectly for a bit, you can recover all of it back without items. I like this since it encourage you to play better and don't make you feel cheated for using a guard weapon.
It looks like Gunlance has this. The closest thing I can see Lance getting is some kind of jackhammer move where it rapidly sheathes/unsheathes. Not all lances get sheathed that way so that might look kind've weird. It'd be fine for something like the Barioth lance where you basically saw with the serrated edge, but just a straight lance it might look kind've weak or awkward without the actual 'piston' motion.
Lancers SHOULD be able allow to hit multiple body parts like piercing bullets. It makes so much sense, and would also fix the annoying issue of hitting the wrong body parts due to how hit boxes are made in MH. Plus it makes so much sense if lancers have an always piercing buff
Weirdly i think the Shoryuken counter move for the SnS works like this. I regularly do over 1k damage if i hit the head with it after counter a stronger attack, and about 400ish per tick if i counter something like a roar. WHY doesn't the Lance work like that?? Countering is its THING
as a newer lance main, as of like 2 weeks before this post, poke poke poke is a perfectly acceptable combo. the lance seems to have the rapid fire attack rate of the dual blades without locking you into the longer animations, forcing you to use a gauge, and using up less sharpness for roughly the same dps without the sharpness bonuses. it also allows players to play more slowly if they want and watch a monster, learn its attack timings, and ignore most of the knockdown attacks. the alternative is my play style where i mostly ignore my shield and go full aggro with status effects, repeat charge jumps for mounting, and tail removing also please give let me know any tips you might have. I've used mostly HBG / LBG and dabbled in gunlance before finding the lance on my second playthrough of world and am still learning the lance and its ins and outs
As a Lance enjoyer, I am totally fine with lance being the least popular weapon, BUT I totally refuse the lack of creative supports by the devs & I would argue the continuous unfair nerfing treatments that has been happening since MHW. It's like CAPCOM practically actively hating & making Lance as the bottom tier the more new game release bruh LOL
Yeah I agree, there being not as much hunting horn mains in mhw isn’t that shocking but I will forever use it because once you’re in people see your value to the team immediately, same for lance being able to tank the craziest attacks! Plus they are really fun once you get the hang of it but I would like to see more variety with lance for sure. Monster Hunter wilds is going to Be INSANEEEEE!
I don't care how powerful it is compared to other weapons. In 4U it was the fourth-weakest weapon, but its moveset was pure bliss. I just want that perfectly-tuned moveset back with no strings attached, with the same relative motion values and everything. I don't care if it's so weak that it takes 40 minutes to complete hunts while average hunt times continue to approach sub one minute for most weapons. That isn't what it's about.
honestly i didn't liked lance before sunbreak but damn in sunbreak the weapon is fun as hell, the perfect guard is mandatory for me when i play lance since you're not just shielding, it's like a counter Same for gunlance Now i only need to master insect blade and hammer and i know how to play all melee weapons :D
I think the Lance is really fun, but yea i can totally understand why people dont like it over something more engaging and flashy. If your weapon is pretty much "The Wall", but until endgame, your wall is as good as the average wall in US, it feels bad and unrewarding. As a Bowgun main who usually starts with LBG, until i get the stuff to make HBG enjoyable, i know very well how painful farming can be and i can totally agree that its just easier and more rewarding to grab something like the Longsword or the Bow, that are easy to pick up, rewarding to play and hard to master, but tbf because Weapons like the Lance and the Hunting Horn too, are so hard to pick up and hard to get reward out of, they have their own community and thats actually something very nice imo.
Decided to try out the lance today. I'm a hammer & ig main. Once I got used to blocking over trying to dodge. I melted everything. Started low rank to learn the monster mechanics as it is an entirely new play style. No issues at all. Honestly the few times I've carted were because I got super over confident and just went in poking. Rathalos with a rathian attached at the hip is giving me trouble though. Everything aside, lance is a god tier weapon, I'm still not super familiar with it. Mostly just poke, block and clutch claw counter right now but I'm thinking I might become a lance main.
lance is definitely not boring, but my problem about it is actually the shielding mechanics, you need guard 5 and guard up to actually rely on your shield without those skills, it feels like your character is just holding a trashcan lid for shielding, early to mid game investing on those skill mean you are sacrificing dmg skills for a better shield, in MHW its hard to enjoy it without the the endgame/fatty gears.
@@vanilla.icescreamguard 3 works but only once you’ve actually obtained sustain through healing hones and augments. Otherwise, the chip damage is SO high on Guard 3 that you get absolutely smashed into chunky marinara before you can pick up any momentum. This leans more into the problem with Lance. It’s way way too skill dependent. It needs more inherent value built into the shield. We shouldn’t have the same guard level as Charge Blade when it has any shield charge (which is All The Time), we are THE SHIELD WEAPON. It just doesn’t feel like it.
I honestly think they fixed this issue perfectly in SB with the insta-block. You could get away with having literally zero guard, and one guard up 🤣 (I'm not a god so I think I still ran guard 2 or something, but yeah. You did not need guard 5 at all, especially with anchor rage)
Did you play the beta? What did you think? I’m a bow main but I always jumped back to lance when I wanted change. I love it in Wilds. Especially that I can bring 2 weapons
For me, the biggest hit I took at least in Iceborne was that other weapons just managed to block better with less risk (HBG), dodge and counter better (LS), stick to the enemy better (CB/SA/IG) and deal more damage ({any weapon}). Add to that the elemental damage nerf (why????) and the mandatory clutch claw, which coupled with it having one of the slowest sheath animations made it almost mandatory to counter claw (which is impossible with some attacks, or you lose some valuable seconds if the monster was knocked down). Chip damage was massive. Knockback was horrendous. Guard up was awkward to slot more often than not. Trying to slot 4-5 guard decos was a huge tradeoff and also hard as balls to slot. It is super good and you can hardly cart with it. Triple countering AT Velkhana's tail stab, punishing even Fatalis body slam (which you can outheal despite the damage you take), having a monster charge at you and waiting for it like "are you sure about this?" is the best feeling in the game, but you feel actively punished for using the least flashy, least damaging, hardly dodging, most punishing weapon in the game, since if a monster hit and pushed you back, it is much harder to stick back to it, but if you counter properly you're just a constant damage source. I don't want Capcom to nerf other weapons. I want them to have fun. I just want them to make us feel like real bricks, which is how the weapon feels. I want to be able to actually stick to the monster and not be pushed back 5 meters for a crap attack. I want to have variety in elemental builds :(
@@theneef174Im same with the guy. I find dodging in lance very awkward and whats the point of the shield if your just dodging. Evade lance is just any other weapon but worse.
@zrevi5918 you can use the sheild to aid in pressure. Gaurd dash is genuinely powerful as fuck and can be used pretty seamlessly. You ignore like 90% of the monster's move to shove a stick down it's throat.
Good job - we need to keep telling people lance is bottom tier (when it is actually one of the best and most fun weapons and the game). You make some good points - I’d add that what lance excels in is dominating endgame monsters. But it requires a ton of instant muscle memory. There is no unga bunga or big combo to practice. Just a constant assault of attacks and reactions. Imo that takes several hundred hunts and several hundred hours. But the reward is worth it. Lancegang.
To be fair if you have instant muscle memory then there are tons of weapons that dominate endgame monsters, there's a reason why speedrunners obliterate everything with LS or in Rise with bow's parry mechanic but most people don't have instant muscle memory even if they played the game for a while they are just more comfortably sucking at the game which is perfectly fine but for them lance will always feel sluggish and slow and I'm speaking from experience because I'm one of the comfortable suckers who just cannot do a single hunt with lance because I fall asleep before I get to the point where the weapon becomes fun. It has to click from the get go to have the motivation to master the weapon and for most players it just simply wont do that before they find the fun in one of the top 5 most popular weapons because they are popular for a reason.
I've been dipping my toes in it bc i got sick of the flashiness of longsword and a bit bored of greatsword. it's honestly pretty fun, and i-frame lance is enjoyable enough. I personally don't mind a lack-luster weapon, and being a history buff makes this weapon a tad bit more enjoyable, as i can appreciate that of all melee weapons, it'd probably be the most practical for hunting monsters? idk, i like the vibe of knights and sns isn't my thing, so i picked up lance/gl. admittedly, I do prefer gl, tho.
Imo, lance should have a mechanic like longsword where you build up stacks/meter to increase damage But instead of basic slashes, it is based on perfect blocks/counters/shield bash throughs And the increase means higher damage for lance while higher stun for the shield bashes It will be in stages: Level 1 (white) simply increases damage/stun; equivalent to atk U S Level 2 (yellow) increases it further, atk U M, gives small movement speed boost and gives your weapon +10% affinity Level 3 (red) changes the move set completely to make it flashier and even faster and give an atk U L It resets the stacks if you dont attack for a while or simply runs out Movesets also have more emphasis on shield
What you need to get and then hopefully fall in love with Lance is having a monster or attack that you struggle with. Tigrex charge got you down? If you ever see a Lance user just stand there and block it like it's nothing you will understand. Sadly this will only really start to happen in high rank or even early master rank. It did for me. It's my main now but it took me quite a while.
Nobody here. I main Lance in Rise, and for a player who usually makes a fair few mistakes but has nonetheless cleared all the content; the lance is THE best weapon for me, the combination of bad-reflex-friendly shield-bashes (which sadly aren't in the other games), the ability to charge when you get knocked to the floor to get back into the combat quicker, and the fact that I can usually just stick right in front of the monster with a view of EVERYTHING that it is doing which allows me to actually avoid its dangerous moves better; I just love it. On a perfect run, sure, I'll do more DPS with a bow; but I'm a million times more likely to die, and even if I can soak a hit or two, I'm constantly playing 'run around and heal' instead of actually dishing out damage. Lance is the best.
I am here, because my girlfriend (A Kinsect Glaive Main), challenged me (a Greatsword main) to branch out, and she especially wanted me to try lance. So here I am.
I tried Lance when my girlfriend actually came on. It was actually fun. My skills as a Greatsword main and learning to recognize the monster's patterns came in super handy and I countered everything. In return I forced her to try Heavy Bowgun. We had a blast. xD
I learned how to use the lance on mh4u and since then it became one of my favorites, but the problem is simple. The lance turns you into a melee tank that can do constant damage causing that the monster will only have eyes for you, at the time that your mobility is reduced (you get all the agro) The lance is an amazing weapon but requires a lot of skill, and lets be honest, most of people never played MH before world and have no idea of the terror that a random qurupeco calling the pickle really means.
The Lance really just needs a few adjustments to be in a better spot. First, combine Guard Up and Guard Skills into one (or, as you suggested, remove Guard Up entirely). Next, give it a passive Brace, and make shielding at the right time (similar to Offensive Guard) reward you in some way. That's it. Sure, it's still not flashy, just like you mentioned, but it doesn't have to be. In my opinion, not every weapon needs to be flashy.
The lance is broken, paired with high defense, guard lvl 5, guard up and either stamina surge, constitution or marathon runner. You can tank SHARA ISHVALDA BEAMS WITH POWE GUARD
Brothers and sisters, hear me! It matters not what weapon you use, just try them all out! I'm still on my journey for platinuming MHWI and let me tell you, using all the weapons is the only thing that has kept my sanity from being shredded away.....
I switch between 7 weapons whenever I'm done with a couple hunts. One of them is lance. At first I didn't like how heavy it is but now I genuinely have so much fun with it. This wouldn't happen if I just wasn't curious to try out other weapons. The only downside in using many weapon types is that you need to craft many weapons too so naturally you need to hunt more
WE LANCERS WILL NOT YIELD TO NO MONSTER. WE ARE THE WALL THAT WILL HOLD THEM. WE ARE THE SPEAR THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS. WE MAY BE FEW BUT WE ARE MIGHTYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
My suggestion on lance. It is too one dimensional. I think it needs: 1. Protected shield combo with lance. Like sns but better. 2. Protected shield bashes for stun to give cc utility. 3. Give super armor to lance like longsword. Makes no sense a sword user with no protection doesn’t get tripped vs someone holding a wall. 4. Give a lance clash finisher. 5. Best for last: war shouts for a new feature while guarding that uses a gauge. Example: taunt - draws agro from large monsters. Can save a teammate in trouble. Battle roar: increase attack power for a limited time, draws agro slightly. Intimidation: reduce monster attack power. Valor chant - 1 time use provides moxie effect to team for a limited time.
I used to be a Lance basher… until I actually played it and realized it’s true potential. While I admit, there is not as much flash to the attacks “compared” to other weapons that are designed to be flashy. Lance does have some sophisticated flashy moves that are outside of the poke poke combo. I will be the first to admit after becoming a Lance main that the moveset isn’t huge, even with sophisticated flash. So it’s easy to learn, but we all know the truth. Lance is all about the survivability. That shield is what makes the weapon magical. My build is Wide Range Lance, throw on some quick sheath (if you need it) and not only am I surviving the fights to keep you alive. I’m doing reliable damage and can take aggro for you in between me healing you. That and it’s oh so satisfying to block Fatty flame while protecting allies then to be healer on top of that. Support Lance is so much more fun than Brute Lance to me. But like every weapon argument, if you think it sucks, you just aren’t good with it yet.
When I started monhun I dropped lance when I learned you had to invest so much into guard and guard up even though you have a shield size of a small building.
Great video, excellent edit of the lance being a badass weapon! I’m hyped for the lance preview for wilds, curious to see how the focus mode will impact it too. My fav part about the lance is how you’re supposed to be in the monsters face, guarding against their attacks and getting your shots in when you have the opening. It feels more like a back and forth fight to me as opposed to just relying on dodge skills. I used to main LS and IG but fell in love with the lances playstyle
Honestly the main reason most people I know don’t like lance is 1. It’s not the flashiest or the most cool 2. Why use lance when you could use lance .. but it’s also a gun
I play lance... It's not my main, I'm a certified Hunting Horn main but I dabble in most weapons quite a bit (With the goal of getting proficient with them all eventually) and Lance is one I keep coming back to. Something so satisfying about being able to just stay in the monster's face and keep doing damage while it tries and fails to stop you.
I take offense to that, I almost never used guard or guard up until later, when it is easy to slot some level or free. I use mainly oensive skills, the basic defence, counter and dodge in more than enough
I really liked lance. I don't really care about speed or flash. But I'd still say its main issue is that it feels like trying to walk through meter high snow. I do want a defensive weapon, but I also want to be able to reach the battle and move enough to defend other people.
One of my favorite things about Lance in World was just watching everyone run away from Kulva Taroth as she rains fiery death upon everything in her general vicinity while I just stand there in a pool of fire and lava.
NOT EVEN GONNA LIE I go lance when i want to tryhard in rise nowadays. Its so easy to block a majority of attacks, the silkbind counter thats basically just the move from generations ultimate gives you insane dps boosts to the lance, and the shield bash changing lances combo after 18 years changed so little, but so much for its basic attack string.
6:15 Guard up has been a mainstay skill for lance since at least tri, if not earlier. The real issue with lance now is that they nerfed the effect evasion skills have on its back and side hops, so now it feels like there's only one "real" way to play it, and that's by blocking and poking. In 4U and GU you could stack evade extender and evasion instead of blocking skills and dance around monsters with plenty of s, mobility being a non-issue.
I picked up lance recently swapping over from CB on a fresh character. The hardest part for me was getting used to the hops, but once it clicked, I am really excited to see what lance will be in late game and soon in wilds.
Ironically the last 3 reasons around 4:56 are completely valid. There are some weapons that will turn you into a f*cking unstopable death machine. Valor LS, Valor HBG, Valor GS, Rise LS, SA ZSD spam in World/IB. There is no world in which lance can OBJECTIVELY compete with these playstyles. It's impossible. The math just does not check out. Striker Lance in GU is already an anomaly and it allows some really good runs and speedruns, but it is nowhere close to the best speedrun weapons, unless the match up is decent. Capcom has a clear bias towards... certain weapons ( I'm looking at you filthy weeb stick ). It's sad, but they just cater to the lowest common denominators, which are popularity and raw weapon power. They can't nerf the stronger weapons, because it would alienate a lot of people.
So, the thing that always hyped me up about the lance was how the shield felt so fluid to use in combat, and I always feel like a badass when I take a knee and endure the most savage attacks from the monster that I'm fighting. For me, it is flashy in how it defends and that's what really got me hooked on it. Outside of that, it has many tools to adjust your position, such as the humble side steps, the dodge with shield raised, and the lance's charge. Also, it reminds me a lot of how the NPC knights in a Dark Souls game would typically fight with a shield and spear, which is a fantasy that I always wanted in the Souls games. They just released the video for the lance in Wilds, so I'm curious to see your thoughts on it. Personally, I'm really excited that they leaned a bit more into the shields offensive capabilities.
As someone who has dabbled with the lance on and off. And had a blast with it each time But had never fully mained it. Never beat fatalis with it. This beautiful video, has made me decide to stick with it. On my second playthrough of rise, an 100th🤣 playthrough of world. To beat fatalis with it Then take on a whole new game of wilds. Because I love rare to be seen things, underrated, non "meta" things. And then take them, get good with them, and use them. An outdo the "better", more common things.
Clutch claw sucks but honest to God lance felt so fun with claw counter and its built in super armor, I could see a cool timeline where they kept that move in and made it so lance is the "soften monster parts" weapon since countering was given to a weapon that totally needed it more (the other half of the roster)
Most hunters care about MUH DPS, disregarding the fact that monsters can and will one-tap them whenever they make a small mistake (mis-timed that longsword counter and back to camp you go!). Especially among new players from other action games, slow and clunky weapons like lance and gunlance are skipped often because they wanna live the power fantasy of dealing lotsa damage while being stylish. Lance is not about style. Lance is about giving a middle finger to whatever the monster throws at you and deliver retribution in simple but effective way. Lance, in and of itself, is a statement. Lance is the go-to choice if you wanna give your hunting targets a poke of death... or a few dozens of it. I think Guard Up can stay, and I agree on making lance eats less sharpness to be much more effective in dealing damage. What I'd like to give to lance is Insta-block becomes a built-in feature and the counter that comes out of it have multiple versions outside from swipes. Maybe the counter comes with strong thrust or a lunge, idk. As for me, the premise of being **The Wall** is brilliant, but I like my poke stick comes with a gun attached to it.
Having played the Wilds Demo with Lance I have to say it was absolutely amazing to get the "this attack is going to kill you" - indicators and be the only one in the team not running for their life. That made it feel way more powerful - I even wished for a move that could pull more aggro on me. Maybe that could also be a good addition for the lance in the future?
As someone who used lance on the side quite a bit in world and Gen and mained it in 4 and Rise, the whole draw of the lance is the simplicity of it, the thing that made it fun for me was that I was the Implacable Man in the fight, constantly doing my basic attacks while pulling off perfect guards and keeping up pressure, it was very fun to get the timing down and I really did enjoy the playstyle, I think that simplicity is why a lot of people play lance. However despite it being honestly a very fun way to play, you're fighting for last place damage wise all the time, and as much as I like the weapon, it's understandable why people will gravitate away from it when there are objectively better weapons to use. I would really like to see it get some deserved attention, especially since the lance was paradoxically the king of the weapons in the older games, making it more in line with the other weapons would be awesome. Even if it didn't whenever I play MH, Lance is pretty much my go to now, lance bro forever.
6:20 I'd say to give the lance a swipe option after the dashing stab which lets you back or forward step in a direction for reorientation and continued aggression. Also give it a shield bash for safe stun build-up/armor break interrupts. It'd allow you to trade with the monsters when played and kitted properly.
Cool vid, I liked the lance in older gens, but it got coolness crept. True charge slash and helmbreaker in World just feel a million more times satisfying to pull off than upward thrust upward thrust, forward thrust.
I picked up lance for Sunbreak and the weapon is great for going into a fight blind. You can see which attacks are the strong hits while safely behind the shield. Plus the constant flow of blocking and then counterattacking allows you to better understand the flow for subsequent hunts. An ideal move for knockdowns would be the cherry on the cake
The trailer for Lance in MH Wilds looks so cool. I might start maining it due to this. I like the idea of have having fairly simple gameplay that further emphasises blocking/dodging and dealing consistent damage.
I tried lance in World/Iceborne after seeing the Wilds Lance trailer. I am not a Lance main. Being able to stay on the monster almost constantly and punishing monsters for their attacks is SO satisfying! Really looking forward to see the changes in Wilds.
I played Generations after World, and it really made me appreciate Lance, to the point I was maining it at the end of Sunbreak. I think I'll be starting Wilds with it, too.
Well, you've pretty much summed up what the perceived problem is. Not a bad weapon by any means though. I'm curious about your thunder build (Sunbreak) in the video since I haven't used lance in anomaly quests yet, would you mind sharing it?
Lance has a lot more going for it that most people miss, especially in rise. For example, twin vines adds 2 levels of guard, as well as instigator, and unlocks a 3rd silkbind move with the hop. Spiral thrust allows you to follow up with two extra hits after the second thrust, the second of which is among your more powerful. It also has a parry at the beginning that provides a 10% damage buff. The most missed thing has existed since world. That's the ability to power guard after guarding an attack that gives knockback. So block an attack, and while your sliding input power guard. You get to respond faster then anyone else with fairly hard hitting moves.
People mentioned that i was wrong about the weapon stats in the beginning of the video saying that the weapon has become more popular as the percentage goes up from 1.8 to 3.0.
And perhaps they are right. But we can't forget that if we rank the weapons the lance went from second least played (GU) to least played weapon (Rise)
Maybe i wasn't 100% accurate. Absolutely possible! I'm not perfect either. Regardless i believe the video is still correct as it does explain why the average person picks other weapons over the lance. Hence the title: Why nobody plays lance.
You just explained how you aren't correct. Stop doubling down because math is hard for you lol.
Lance is the least picked weapon - cool, but lets not turn our brains off quite just yet. World (and Rise) sold a hell of a lot more than GU AND the percentage of players using the lance is higher than in GU. That flat out means more people are using the lance. And if it's the least picked now at 3% while it was the second to last in GU at 1.8% the only thing that tells me is that weapon distribution is looking better now than a generation ago.
I'm not taking issue with your title - every Lance main knows their weapon is a niche pick. I'm taking issue with the giant contradiction at the very start of your video that essentially said "more people are playing lance than ever before, so obviously lance is losing popularity".
Are you gonna make a video on the Lance Wilds trailer?
@@bennyhoffa7648 this! Lance got a higher percentage of player population playing it in Rise compared to World. The decrease in placement comes only because players that played popular weapons switched to OTHER low popularity weapons that aren't lance, thus increasing their percentage more. Overall Lance has seen a 50% increase in player population percentage here.
It doesnt really matter if you're accurate or not.
Your video is just clout bait anyway. Lance is one of the strongest weapons in any MH. always was, always will be. Popularity, as in many things in life, does not matter at all.
@@iluvatarchem But whether it's the strongest or not, seems to matter you. The very thing that matters the least in this world lmao
As a lance and gunlance main I dont care about being flashy, I simply want to look a monster dead in the eyes and go "I can tank that" before stabbing repeatedly with an oversized spear. I wish to embody THE WALL.
hell yeah lance brother
so true
When you come to it and you cant go through it, and you cant knock it down, you know that you've found THE WALL.
No need to learn attack patterns when you can just hold down a button
others want to be a potato under the ground, but some wants to become the fortress, the wall
as a lance main. its the monsters that look for openings so they can hit me
LANCE MAINS, RISE YOUR SHIELD UP
I don't rise my shield. I bash and smash it against the monsters face
I'm with you!
i rise my shield up, i guard the attack, i drop hp
then i dead
while the long sword counter with i-frame and leave the place
i fking hate it
There are dozens of us!
I SAID RAISE YOUR SHIELD!
…guys?
I think it's just false advertising. Lance is touted as a highly defensive, highly immobile, non flashy weapon. And it is, when you're a beginner. But when you learn it, it becomes more offensive oriented, highly maneuverable in terms of being able to be exactly where you need to be and hit exactly where you need to hit, and can do some really badass things. Monsters just cannot shake off a skilled lance player, you're like an evil barnacle on their side.
And in truth, i'm fine with lance being unpopular. It makes it more satisfying when you party up and have people going "Wait, you can do that!?"
Counters fatalis downward fire breath while eating the damage but regaining via counter-poking 3 or 4 times back to back
I'm not sure if any other weapon can tank that while doing damage
I totally agree 😂😂
Lance is weirdly the most offensive weapon!
@@ValentinoMarino11 yea the lance's damage per hit demands the hunter to be aggressive to get the DPS .
IIRC Lance is the strongest melee weapon in GU, it even beat Valor LS in term of DPS.
This is one of the only weapon I’m smacking on a monster no matter what. Idgaf what they do, I’m going through it. This weapon is so fucking good.
The thing with lance is that it largely appeals to a certain kind of player that's somewhat rare. A huge majority of players feel powerful by dishing out huge amounts of damage, whether it be in a series of small but fast attacks, one big super charged up attack, or 'special moves' that requires preparation before a payoff. The point is, most people like to be "DPS", to reference the 'holy trinity', not so much 'tank' or 'support/heal'.
Personally, I'm the type of person that feels powerful by being able to tank big hits and shrug them off like it's nothing. Or, redirecting an enemy's attack back at them, as is the case with counter attacks (which as you said, longsword does this now so people who like counters are just going to pick that over the lance anyways, especially since their counter doesn't even need guard skills slotted to function properly).
Thing is, tanking hits doesn't complete hunts, dealing damage does. Assuming you have the right build with augments that heal you as you poke and basically remove sharpness depletion, you can have much more uptime attacking the monster than other weapons, since you don't need to dodge out of the way and can instead just tank the hit... _usually_... Then of course we have specific attacks that not even Guard Up helps with. Even with all those skills you still take chip damage, get huge knockbacks despite having the largest, beefiest shield in the game, and lose sharpness faster than dual blades... it can be pretty disheartening. I'm really hoping for something special in the upcoming Lance showcase for Wilds. At the time of writing the next showcase comes out in about 2 and a half hours, so who knows, we could find out today, and if not I consider myself pretty patient, I'll wait and admire all the cool stuff other weapons are getting too because so far Capcom have been on fire with what we've seen thus far.
EDIT: Forgot to mention mobility is actually pretty damn good but rather unintuitive. A new player isn't going to know all the tricks to stick to the monster.
Honestly when I tank a big hit it feels like those moments in shows where the smoke clears and you see the bad guy is still standing after the hero’s best attack. And you are the bad guy. It feels really cool
@@dipwad7459 That's a great way to put it. It's probably an anime trope but it reminds me of Earth Defense Force 5.
"What, no damage?"
"Huh... They didn't dodge because *they didn't need to*... Damn..."
@@Zulban48 EDF!! EDF!!
It's good to see another Lance player who defends our Mother Earth. Though funnily enough, I play more Air Raider than Fencer...
@@moldyshishkabob To save our Mother Earth from any alien attack...
I discovered the games pretty late so I played a bit of 4.1 and then quickly moved on to EDF 5 which had just came out. I still think that EDF 5 is the overall best game out of the three I've played even if 4.1 had the best campiness. 6 seemed ambitious and had some gameplay improvements but I haven't even tried to play air raider in it due to how the story is structured and because they nerfed a lot of what I liked about EDF 5 air raider to be practically unusable. Still can't get any of my friends interested in these games though, so I just play them solo.
@@Zulban48 Dang, I hope you can get some people on-board. Multiplayer is such a blast.
I haven't even gotten into EDF6 yet due to the whole Epic stuff, as I refuse to sign up for an account.
Doesn't need to be flashy if I can plant myself in a monsters face and confidently solo-jab it to death.
Lance is the real "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me" of the MH arsenal.
😂😂😂so true
For me it isn't about strong or flashy, Lance is just boring, I used it a few time then quit and never picking it up again.
@@markvermo7523Find the LS user
Yup one of the more aggressive weapons
As a lance main from gen 1 to Rise, Lance user peaked on Rise.
But the coolest form of lance is the counter claw from world
SB Lance is lowkey busted, block and bounces back damage, with truck loads of buff and sky high defense
I like those parry blocks from mhtri and MHGU/MHXX,since those have a so-called "i-frames"
I mean, if you hit a counter claw you are contractly forced to screan :" LLEEEEEEEEEROOOOY JEEEEEEEENKINS"
Spider lance ! Spider lance...
I’ve honestly never liked lance before rise but just spamming guard dash back into that jumping stab over and over felt so ridiculously broken that after I picked it up for a quick singular hunt I just abused it for months
People try it out for the first time, for 5 mins, proceeds to think it's slow and clunky and never touch it again. There you go.
Pretty much my experience with generations.
sadly people mainly focus on "hey llok this weapon can do anime stuff like the iai slash or the Levi spinning dual blades move! Lance? that slow af immobile weapon? bleah"
true chads are us lance mains brother
@@whitesage922same reason a lot of people dont play horn. They get they idea it's passive and support. And not a hammer that sacrifices a tiny amount of mobility for buffs.
@@magellan6439 Horn goes omega bonk, they simply don't know how to play with those weapons
@@whitesage922 I'm so happy that wilds is giving horn some of the rise skills. They were so cool
What Lance need is built-in Offensive Guard. And it would be cool if your shield gets charged up by perfect block timing then you unleash a powerful shield bash counter that can stun.
Also a passive brace would be nice. Lance is supposed to be solid and stable so getting flinched by little attacks doesn't seem right.
I agree, and i think we might just get some of this. It seems that by looking at all of the changes made to the other weapons so far in Wilds, that Capcom does really understand what changes the weapons need. So fingers crossed we get at the very least built in flinch resistance and hopefully built in offensive guard aswell.
nice idea! so basically dante's royal release right? haha
@@Ferra21 I was thinking of the movie 300 when they shove the enemies back with their shields, but yeah similar mechanic to royal guard and CB's guard point
sounds likeguard counters in elden ring, which are a decent playstyle in my opinion, and would be fun in mh.
Been saying this for years, offensive guard should just be a property of the weapon itself instead of being a skill. The skill tax for shield weapons has gotten increasingly bloated and minimizing even one of them into a base mechanic would help a lot.
I think there are 2 things people really miss:
- viable shield attack for KO
- at least one HIGH (!) damage move similar to wyvern fire
C'mon Capcom - let me be a mobile Dragonator
@@caomhanbasswood8611 a big ko shield finisher for the charge would be great
It may not look "flashy" but playing lance properly FEELS "FLASH"
Funny people say that lance "doesn't look flashy." I literally started using it because I saw a speedrun of primordial malzeno that just beat the absolute shit out of it and it looked fun.
I think this perfectly sums up how I got into Lance myself.
It wasnt the most flashy weapon but when I started to learn how to do counters in combat and successfully KOd a monster with it. It felt so amazing and I fell in love with lance
I have never felt more badass playing MH, than chain-insta blocking crazy ults in Sunbreak ahahaha. My mind immediately goes to Lucent Nargs big spin-to-win move. That satisfying "ding, ding, ding, ding" after each insta-block is soooo satisfying.
Especially fifth gen with how mobile you are and how you can just ignore attacks and keep fighting.
@@ramadhanbenny6640 tanking a Fatalis breath is as flashy as it can get in MH imo...
I recall evade-lancing in 4U which was always goofy and fun. Lance then was actually highly mobile and one of the best dodgers, since evasion 3 meant 100% of your side step duration was i-framed. Pair with evade extender and you could back-hop across the map as fast as anyone else. It's actually still fairly mobile, but getting that mobility isn't as intuitive.
Lance has been a longterm favorite for me and is my most used weapon. One of the coolest moments I've had was in multiplayer against the fatalis in Iceborne, and realizing that my shield actually would part his fire breath attack. Dashing in front of a stumbled ally to save them from the flames felt SO rad. But overall, lance's appeal hinges a lot on the matchup; it feels great against fatalis, but horrible against alatreon, etc. You're meant to be able to attack while being attacked, yet fights that punish countering disproportionately hurt lance more than any other weapon; and they tend to introduce more and more of these fights late game.
Sunbreak's lance also has felt way better compared to Rise as they buffed some of its numbers and adjusted how some of the wirebug skills work, though it's definitely more of a sustain / death-by-a-thousand-cuts weapon. I honestly wish that they'd just remove tripping or just give most of its moves super armor; a lot of skills for lance just feel too mandatory to get by, which reduces your ability to slot in more interesting or offensive skills.
Zedrin is a lancer!? That's genuinely awesome.
What's your take on Wilds Lance, as the video just came out today (as I'm posting this).
4u evade lancing with the najarala set was so busted, basically godmode while you hop around the field like a Demon.
I came here to talk about evade lancing from 4u, glad I got my boys here with me
I've recently started using Lance in MHW and I love it. Being able to block 99% of monsters most powerful moves and then punishing them feels amazing.
That's the reason why i didn't really liked lance in the first place, you never feel in danger
That's why i love the perfect guard in GU and sunbreak, i love high-risk/high-reward thing
What most non believers don't understand is that the Lance is a counter weapon. It is very balanced because of its defensive and counter offensive abilities. The commoners want us behind that wall. They need us behind that wall.
The only thing its missing for me is some kind of big finisher. I mean cmon, even SnS got Perfect Rush, why cant Lance at least get a cool move for knockdowns?
The Lance could use a charge attack with a long wind up, a series of shield bashes that count as guarding but increase chip damage taken, do a mounted charging attack thats like our regular charge but on steroids, or our counter attacks could instantly apply wounds.
to be fair sns rush is one of the nicer finishers imo but yeah theres not a single flashy lance attack outside of sunbreak
@@tipsy634 OBJECTION! Claw Counter is practically a drug in Iceborne, and shows off how good the Clutch Claw could have been had it been given the same implementation into all of the weapons.
I kinda wish they'd just lean into the Lance Charge dps/movement, cause it feels too good to literally run through the monster
Aww yeah counter claw. This shit helped me breeze through guiding lands lvl 7 bosses
Not many people like the Lance playstyle but they are loved when a Lance joins your party cuz they are the ultimate tank same with Hunting Horn hunters. They are both heroes in your party
Few combinations of party members are as baller as a Lance user being buffed by a Hunting Horn user. The very definition of THE WALL.
I swear I have an aneurysm every time someone mentions tanking in Monster Hunter. It aint that kind of game
@@axis8396 It ain’t what kind of game? Because you can absolutely grab the attention of a monster and it will be even easier in wilds with the lures.
@@axis8396what the lance does is defined as tanking. Tanks absorb damage for the rest of the party. Lance absorbs damage for the rest of the party, and there's even enemies like Safii and Behemoth where you can draw their aggro and make them focus on you. In these fights especially lance players literally are tanks, as a good lance player will be drawing the aggro of these guys so they only attack the lancer, and the lancer blocks all the attacks thrown at them. That is tanking, there's no need to be so uptight
@@ghoulishgoober3122The problem is that this mechanic only worked for a few specific hunts instead of every hunt. In Wilds, there's a little more attention given to the idea of weapon roles, but the Luring Pod (the aggro mechanic item) can be used by *any* hunter.
Long story short, if Lance is going to be a true tank in Monster Hunter, it needs to have a built-in aggro mechanic.
SPOTTED LANCE MAIN IN THE WILDS
HERE ANOTHER SUB FOR YOU LANCE BROTHER
Much appreciated man!
Honestly, it sucks that the lance has really "gotten worse" by not getting any meaningful buffs. I soloed all of Monster Hunter Tri with the lance, back on the Wii U. I tried to get back into it in world, as it's a very consistent weapon, but it really just takes too much to get it started in the newer games. Despite the older games generally being more difficult, I don't remember lance having quite the issues that it does. Frankly, all weapons should be viable on their own, and any skills should just add to it and make it feel better, smoother, and maybe open up some new options, but never be a requirement for it be reasonably functional.
I'm a hh refugee who switched to lance in sunbreak after they massacred my boy, and i was absolutely shook when i found out it was the least popular weapon. I started with it because of how difficult dodging is in Rise, then realized just how tight it is. I love insta-blocking, repositioning with sheathing retreat, and finding the best places to use skyward thrust.
What do you think of hh in wilds now that its showcase is out?
@@aaronkinganimations9495 I'm not them, but I share a similar sentiment of Rise Horn not being the same weapon I came to love. Wilds looks to be a step in the right direction, but I'm still apprehensive until we can see the UI.
Dont worry, now in Wilds not only you will breakdance and doot, also you can rocknroll there
@@baconberries8097 100% agree with you on this topic, i played HH like alot on MHW maybe about 3K kill on monster, it was fun then dancing with monster playing with positioning. But what they did to HH in rise is just stupid. Im glad that they are using HH world mechanic for Wild. Can't wait to bonk monster with it
Wth are you talking about, HH is way better in mh rise...
The fun of playing Lance for me is that it’s a lot like a dance where the monster leads and you stick to it like glue, never letting up, having a response for every possible situation. A lot of people have the notion that Lance’s mobility is bad in some way, and frankly I find that if you actually use its full toolbox, it has some of the best positional control in the game. You obviously have steps, but there’s also guard dashes, an insanely powerful movement utility, and for gapclosing, nothing comes close to the charge, outpacing every other weapon easily, while also being able to turn on a dime.
This ✨
I think this video accurately shows why the average person doesnt play lance as much. spot on, good job.
nothing beats the sound of your dual blades teammate slapping your shield while on power guard, 10/10 i am literally the drumset
p.s. my initial playthru of world was with LS
came back last year with all the hype and i tried lance, stuck with it for 500 hours, 10/10 weapon it is so satisfying to use
ALSO NOTHING BEATS GUARDING AGAINST FATALIS FLAME BREATH, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE FEELING WITH MAXED OUT MUSIC AND U DO THAT WHILE UR 3 LS TEAMMATES RUSH TO COVER
lance also makes me feel like a matador vs furious rajang
it's indescribable, but it is C I N E M A
First the Things i disagree with in the video:
1.Lance's popularity has been increasing not decreasing. Yes in mhgu it was at rank 13 and in the other two it was at 14 but the actual % of players playing the weapon has increased. GL just increased more thats all.
2. I dont think giving Lance a new combo would destroy the weapon. Lance in sunbreak uses mostly Gruard advance + leaping thrust and it still plays super aggressivly like it should. I think the way mhgu and mhr tried to go about it was just wrong. mhr went for slapping which just feels wrong. And mhgu's longer poke on its own was fine but it replaced the third poke meaning, if you didnt have enough time to do it, your main combo was just 2 pokes.
Things i agree with:
1. Insta block is fun but the counter shouldnt be two slaps and it also takes you out of the fight, since you have to stop attacking in order to use it, unlike the other counters (still really f*cking fun though)
2. Lance is way to deco dependend. Decrease the sharpness cost, give it build in guard up (not just on power guard) and give its block/counters an build in insta block effect, so you dont have to build guard anymore if you're good enough at timing.
3. It's not flashy and could easily be. Just give it corckscrew jab back or drill attacks or the hundred thusts from mh explore or an attack where you throw the weapon or two hand the lance etc. There are many things you can do to make lance flashy without destroying the weapon. And if they are worried that people will start spamming it, just attach it to a bar that needs to be filled up first like mhgu did or make the attack take so long that using it is a huge risk, so you cant always use it, like corckscrew jab.
4. Multiplayer lance isn't as fun. Lance's counters are super fun but in multi player the monster doesn't always attack you. Having a high animation commitment attck that is flashy and hits hard, that you can do in those times the monster isn't attacking you, would help a lot with that. (and almost every weapon has an attack like that. Even faster weapons like dual blades (blade dance) or bow (thousand dragons) have high animation commitment attacks.
5. Lance would benifit from an actual weapon tutorial. Lance has all of the mobility it needs, but since it's way harder to use than on other weapons newer players will feel slow and clunky.
Charge Blade is honestly the hardest weapon to use.
@@moonflowerpalace3872 i meant that the mobility on lance is harder to use, since you cant rely on the normal walking speed and dodges. Which makes it feel slow and clunly for newcomers
@@zawardo5909 Fair enough.
@moonflowerpalace3872 chargeblade not hard to use 😅
@@moonflowerpalace3872Charge blade has the most mechanics but is certainly not the hardest to use
knowing when to counter, when to block when to evade is one of the best parts of lance, do it right and you literally never have to stop attacking unless you're preparing a counter attack plus you get a big ass shield and look awesome. lance #1 wep
I'm a horn main and in Rise I bounced between a bunch of weapons. I tried counter lance once, and it has quickly become a favorite. I've had so much fun.
In my my opinion what lance would need most is more shield based attacks to help your team's hammer/HH to build KO and exhaust and a flashier strong finisher during a large opening. Main issue with multi poke in GU was how it was lenghty and replaced the third poke, but what if you could do it on command after the third poke? Rise's Swipe worked as well, but it was hard getting used to implement it to the poke combo due to muscle memory
I cant wait to see the new Lance trailer. Lance main for life
As long as Capcom doesn't ever remove or ruin the lance, I'm okay with it being unpopular and underrated.
I feel part of the lance identity nowadays is the camaraderie of meeting your fellow lancers in the wild, and how much love we all have for our weapon no matter who else likes it
What are you talking about? They already did it when LS can do everything Lance can with no need for skills and no need to worry about being punished
@@KeltEiferschild that doesn't "ruin" lance it just makes longsword more effective? I don't care if longsword can counter it's not as fun as lance and that's what I'm referring to
@@jgee9272 Makes more effective, with no skills, no punishment and more damage, it's an obivous trash way to balance the game because you literaly have zero reason do to less damage, have less speed and need a spesific build that dosen't let you put more damage skills on it if you can have everything for free, but it is what it is
@@KeltEiferschild again, who cares? Lance fun, longsword fun, end of story.
lance in sunbreak is the Wall's wet dream.
Why dodge when you can "ding"
I think another good change would be for the chip damage to make your loss hp go red instead of black. That way it still cost you hp to block powerful attacks, but if you play perfectly for a bit, you can recover all of it back without items. I like this since it encourage you to play better and don't make you feel cheated for using a guard weapon.
Lance needs a GIGAAAAA DDRIIIILLLL BREAKEEEEEEER! move
Or more shield moves
It looks like Gunlance has this. The closest thing I can see Lance getting is some kind of jackhammer move where it rapidly sheathes/unsheathes. Not all lances get sheathed that way so that might look kind've weird. It'd be fine for something like the Barioth lance where you basically saw with the serrated edge, but just a straight lance it might look kind've weak or awkward without the actual 'piston' motion.
Hell yeah
@@TheMaiztro As of today, it seems there's going to be several shield bashes added to its move list on Wild
@@Nicolai-Syn Yeah... At least we got some shield moves.
Lancers SHOULD be able allow to hit multiple body parts like piercing bullets. It makes so much sense, and would also fix the annoying issue of hitting the wrong body parts due to how hit boxes are made in MH.
Plus it makes so much sense if lancers have an always piercing buff
Make counter thurst stronger. The more damage the absorbed from counter thrust block, the more damage the counter hit will do.
*Teostra Supernova sounds*
Weirdly i think the Shoryuken counter move for the SnS works like this. I regularly do over 1k damage if i hit the head with it after counter a stronger attack, and about 400ish per tick if i counter something like a roar. WHY doesn't the Lance work like that?? Countering is its THING
as a newer lance main, as of like 2 weeks before this post, poke poke poke is a perfectly acceptable combo. the lance seems to have the rapid fire attack rate of the dual blades without locking you into the longer animations, forcing you to use a gauge, and using up less sharpness for roughly the same dps without the sharpness bonuses.
it also allows players to play more slowly if they want and watch a monster, learn its attack timings, and ignore most of the knockdown attacks.
the alternative is my play style where i mostly ignore my shield and go full aggro with status effects, repeat charge jumps for mounting, and tail removing
also please give let me know any tips you might have. I've used mostly HBG / LBG and dabbled in gunlance before finding the lance on my second playthrough of world and am still learning the lance and its ins and outs
As a Lance enjoyer, I am totally fine with lance being the least popular weapon, BUT I totally refuse the lack of creative supports by the devs & I would argue the continuous unfair nerfing treatments that has been happening since MHW.
It's like CAPCOM practically actively hating & making Lance as the bottom tier the more new game release bruh LOL
Yeah I agree, there being not as much hunting horn mains in mhw isn’t that shocking but I will forever use it because once you’re in people see your value to the team immediately, same for lance being able to tank the craziest attacks! Plus they are really fun once you get the hang of it but I would like to see more variety with lance for sure. Monster Hunter wilds is going to Be INSANEEEEE!
I don't care how powerful it is compared to other weapons. In 4U it was the fourth-weakest weapon, but its moveset was pure bliss. I just want that perfectly-tuned moveset back with no strings attached, with the same relative motion values and everything. I don't care if it's so weak that it takes 40 minutes to complete hunts while average hunt times continue to approach sub one minute for most weapons. That isn't what it's about.
? Sunbreak lance is the best its been in a while.
honestly i didn't liked lance before sunbreak but damn in sunbreak the weapon is fun as hell, the perfect guard is mandatory for me when i play lance since you're not just shielding, it's like a counter
Same for gunlance
Now i only need to master insect blade and hammer and i know how to play all melee weapons :D
I think the Lance is really fun, but yea i can totally understand why people dont like it over something more engaging and flashy. If your weapon is pretty much "The Wall", but until endgame, your wall is as good as the average wall in US, it feels bad and unrewarding. As a Bowgun main who usually starts with LBG, until i get the stuff to make HBG enjoyable, i know very well how painful farming can be and i can totally agree that its just easier and more rewarding to grab something like the Longsword or the Bow, that are easy to pick up, rewarding to play and hard to master, but tbf because Weapons like the Lance and the Hunting Horn too, are so hard to pick up and hard to get reward out of, they have their own community and thats actually something very nice imo.
“Capcom make lance more fun and my life is yours” 🙏
I see what you did there kratos
Decided to try out the lance today. I'm a hammer & ig main. Once I got used to blocking over trying to dodge. I melted everything. Started low rank to learn the monster mechanics as it is an entirely new play style. No issues at all. Honestly the few times I've carted were because I got super over confident and just went in poking. Rathalos with a rathian attached at the hip is giving me trouble though. Everything aside, lance is a god tier weapon, I'm still not super familiar with it. Mostly just poke, block and clutch claw counter right now but I'm thinking I might become a lance main.
lance is definitely not boring, but my problem about it is actually the shielding mechanics, you need guard 5 and guard up to actually rely on your shield without those skills, it feels like your character is just holding a trashcan lid for shielding, early to mid game investing on those skill mean you are sacrificing dmg skills for a better shield, in MHW its hard to enjoy it without the the endgame/fatty gears.
guard 5 is good but guard 3 is also okay too (and guard up obv) bc power guard already have a built in guard 5
@@vanilla.icescreamguard 3 works but only once you’ve actually obtained sustain through healing hones and augments. Otherwise, the chip damage is SO high on Guard 3 that you get absolutely smashed into chunky marinara before you can pick up any momentum.
This leans more into the problem with Lance. It’s way way too skill dependent. It needs more inherent value built into the shield. We shouldn’t have the same guard level as Charge Blade when it has any shield charge (which is All The Time), we are THE SHIELD WEAPON. It just doesn’t feel like it.
I honestly think they fixed this issue perfectly in SB with the insta-block. You could get away with having literally zero guard, and one guard up 🤣 (I'm not a god so I think I still ran guard 2 or something, but yeah. You did not need guard 5 at all, especially with anchor rage)
But still taking damage while the shield HBG next to you took 0 damage...
Did you play the beta? What did you think? I’m a bow main but I always jumped back to lance when I wanted change. I love it in Wilds. Especially that I can bring 2 weapons
For me, the biggest hit I took at least in Iceborne was that other weapons just managed to block better with less risk (HBG), dodge and counter better (LS), stick to the enemy better (CB/SA/IG) and deal more damage ({any weapon}). Add to that the elemental damage nerf (why????) and the mandatory clutch claw, which coupled with it having one of the slowest sheath animations made it almost mandatory to counter claw (which is impossible with some attacks, or you lose some valuable seconds if the monster was knocked down).
Chip damage was massive. Knockback was horrendous. Guard up was awkward to slot more often than not. Trying to slot 4-5 guard decos was a huge tradeoff and also hard as balls to slot.
It is super good and you can hardly cart with it. Triple countering AT Velkhana's tail stab, punishing even Fatalis body slam (which you can outheal despite the damage you take), having a monster charge at you and waiting for it like "are you sure about this?" is the best feeling in the game, but you feel actively punished for using the least flashy, least damaging, hardly dodging, most punishing weapon in the game, since if a monster hit and pushed you back, it is much harder to stick back to it, but if you counter properly you're just a constant damage source.
I don't want Capcom to nerf other weapons. I want them to have fun. I just want them to make us feel like real bricks, which is how the weapon feels. I want to be able to actually stick to the monster and not be pushed back 5 meters for a crap attack. I want to have variety in elemental builds :(
Preach brother!
What the heck is this why have you not slotted evade extender
Lance is just better dual blades
@@theneef174Im same with the guy. I find dodging in lance very awkward and whats the point of the shield if your just dodging. Evade lance is just any other weapon but worse.
@zrevi5918 you can use the sheild to aid in pressure. Gaurd dash is genuinely powerful as fuck and can be used pretty seamlessly. You ignore like 90% of the monster's move to shove a stick down it's throat.
@@theneef174 Good luck duard dashing without guard up or guard. You can get knocked back a LOT even through it
Good job - we need to keep telling people lance is bottom tier (when it is actually one of the best and most fun weapons and the game). You make some good points - I’d add that what lance excels in is dominating endgame monsters. But it requires a ton of instant muscle memory. There is no unga bunga or big combo to practice. Just a constant assault of attacks and reactions. Imo that takes several hundred hunts and several hundred hours. But the reward is worth it. Lancegang.
Playing lance efficiently is one of the hardest things to do in monster hunter.
Strong? Yeah. Fun? Speak for yourself 😂
why should the person making the video follow some kind of smearing campaign to pretend lance is more fun than it is?
To be fair if you have instant muscle memory then there are tons of weapons that dominate endgame monsters, there's a reason why speedrunners obliterate everything with LS or in Rise with bow's parry mechanic but most people don't have instant muscle memory even if they played the game for a while they are just more comfortably sucking at the game which is perfectly fine but for them lance will always feel sluggish and slow and I'm speaking from experience because I'm one of the comfortable suckers who just cannot do a single hunt with lance because I fall asleep before I get to the point where the weapon becomes fun.
It has to click from the get go to have the motivation to master the weapon and for most players it just simply wont do that before they find the fun in one of the top 5 most popular weapons because they are popular for a reason.
I've been dipping my toes in it bc i got sick of the flashiness of longsword and a bit bored of greatsword. it's honestly pretty fun, and i-frame lance is enjoyable enough. I personally don't mind a lack-luster weapon, and being a history buff makes this weapon a tad bit more enjoyable, as i can appreciate that of all melee weapons, it'd probably be the most practical for hunting monsters? idk, i like the vibe of knights and sns isn't my thing, so i picked up lance/gl. admittedly, I do prefer gl, tho.
Man, this video got my so hyped about the lance, well done
The most fun skill is actually OFFENSIVE GUARD. So fun when it procs especially on counters
I agree, wish they made it a permanent part of the lance so you don't have to give up any slots for it.
Imo, lance should have a mechanic like longsword where you build up stacks/meter to increase damage
But instead of basic slashes, it is based on perfect blocks/counters/shield bash throughs
And the increase means higher damage for lance while higher stun for the shield bashes
It will be in stages:
Level 1 (white) simply increases damage/stun; equivalent to atk U S
Level 2 (yellow) increases it further, atk U M, gives small movement speed boost and gives your weapon +10% affinity
Level 3 (red) changes the move set completely to make it flashier and even faster and give an atk U L
It resets the stacks if you dont attack for a while or simply runs out
Movesets also have more emphasis on shield
As a lance main, I would't appreciate seeing the Lance, which I love for Its simple efficiency, get super flashy.
Agreed, but i do think that it's the reason that it doesn't apeal to the average player.
What you need to get and then hopefully fall in love with Lance is having a monster or attack that you struggle with. Tigrex charge got you down? If you ever see a Lance user just stand there and block it like it's nothing you will understand. Sadly this will only really start to happen in high rank or even early master rank. It did for me. It's my main now but it took me quite a while.
I mean, unpopular doesn't necessarily mean bad. It just means that for most people other options are more appealing than it.
Nobody here. I main Lance in Rise, and for a player who usually makes a fair few mistakes but has nonetheless cleared all the content; the lance is THE best weapon for me, the combination of bad-reflex-friendly shield-bashes (which sadly aren't in the other games), the ability to charge when you get knocked to the floor to get back into the combat quicker, and the fact that I can usually just stick right in front of the monster with a view of EVERYTHING that it is doing which allows me to actually avoid its dangerous moves better; I just love it. On a perfect run, sure, I'll do more DPS with a bow; but I'm a million times more likely to die, and even if I can soak a hit or two, I'm constantly playing 'run around and heal' instead of actually dishing out damage. Lance is the best.
I am here, because my girlfriend (A Kinsect Glaive Main), challenged me (a Greatsword main) to branch out, and she especially wanted me to try lance. So here I am.
I tried Lance when my girlfriend actually came on. It was actually fun. My skills as a Greatsword main and learning to recognize the monster's patterns came in super handy and I countered everything. In return I forced her to try Heavy Bowgun. We had a blast. xD
I learned how to use the lance on mh4u and since then it became one of my favorites, but the problem is simple.
The lance turns you into a melee tank that can do constant damage causing that the monster will only have eyes for you, at the time that your mobility is reduced (you get all the agro)
The lance is an amazing weapon but requires a lot of skill, and lets be honest, most of people never played MH before world and have no idea of the terror that a random qurupeco calling the pickle really means.
Lance was so much fun in sunbreak imo.
It is :)
The Lance really just needs a few adjustments to be in a better spot.
First, combine Guard Up and Guard Skills into one (or, as you suggested, remove Guard Up entirely). Next, give it a passive Brace, and make shielding at the right time (similar to Offensive Guard) reward you in some way.
That's it. Sure, it's still not flashy, just like you mentioned, but it doesn't have to be. In my opinion, not every weapon needs to be flashy.
You know is a lance Main when the main issue isn't damage but unblockables and pins
3:20 - 3:30 That was a very inspiring edit, sir. Good composition and clean music to back it up. 👍
EDIT: This bit too 3:40
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
I was actually laughing my ass out when your montage was playing and I thought to myself "Huh, Lance still looks pretty boring."
Bro that lance edit was fire!! Happy to meet a fellow lancer main 😊
Thank you, glad you liked it!
"It feels like LS is Capcom's favorite weapon", no dude, it IS their favorite weapon. It has always been the favorite weapon since MH2.
The lance is broken, paired with high defense, guard lvl 5, guard up and either stamina surge, constitution or marathon runner. You can tank SHARA ISHVALDA BEAMS WITH POWE GUARD
Lance deserves more love!
Brothers and sisters, hear me! It matters not what weapon you use, just try them all out! I'm still on my journey for platinuming MHWI and let me tell you, using all the weapons is the only thing that has kept my sanity from being shredded away.....
I switch between 7 weapons whenever I'm done with a couple hunts. One of them is lance. At first I didn't like how heavy it is but now I genuinely have so much fun with it.
This wouldn't happen if I just wasn't curious to try out other weapons. The only downside in using many weapon types is that you need to craft many weapons too so naturally you need to hunt more
I love lance. It may be slower but I feel safe and consistent behind my shield. Stabby stab stab :^)
WE LANCERS WILL NOT YIELD TO NO MONSTER. WE ARE THE WALL THAT WILL HOLD THEM. WE ARE THE SPEAR THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS. WE MAY BE FEW BUT WE ARE MIGHTYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly, i'm glad someone understands.
I miss the drill skill and the fact you could customize your skill loadout with styles and arts in general in MHGen.
My suggestion on lance. It is too one dimensional. I think it needs:
1. Protected shield combo with lance. Like sns but better.
2. Protected shield bashes for stun to give cc utility.
3. Give super armor to lance like longsword. Makes no sense a sword user with no protection doesn’t get tripped vs someone holding a wall.
4. Give a lance clash finisher.
5. Best for last: war shouts for a new feature while guarding that uses a gauge.
Example: taunt - draws agro from large monsters. Can save a teammate in trouble.
Battle roar: increase attack power for a limited time, draws agro slightly.
Intimidation: reduce monster attack power.
Valor chant - 1 time use provides moxie effect to team for a limited time.
Powering yourself up at the cost of becoming target number 1 seems like an amazing idea, especially if you can turn that draw back into a positive
I used to be a Lance basher… until I actually played it and realized it’s true potential. While I admit, there is not as much flash to the attacks “compared” to other weapons that are designed to be flashy. Lance does have some sophisticated flashy moves that are outside of the poke poke combo.
I will be the first to admit after becoming a Lance main that the moveset isn’t huge, even with sophisticated flash. So it’s easy to learn, but we all know the truth. Lance is all about the survivability. That shield is what makes the weapon magical.
My build is Wide Range Lance, throw on some quick sheath (if you need it) and not only am I surviving the fights to keep you alive. I’m doing reliable damage and can take aggro for you in between me healing you.
That and it’s oh so satisfying to block Fatty flame while protecting allies then to be healer on top of that. Support Lance is so much more fun than Brute Lance to me. But like every weapon argument, if you think it sucks, you just aren’t good with it yet.
When I started monhun I dropped lance when I learned you had to invest so much into guard and guard up even though you have a shield size of a small building.
Great video, excellent edit of the lance being a badass weapon! I’m hyped for the lance preview for wilds, curious to see how the focus mode will impact it too.
My fav part about the lance is how you’re supposed to be in the monsters face, guarding against their attacks and getting your shots in when you have the opening. It feels more like a back and forth fight to me as opposed to just relying on dodge skills. I used to main LS and IG but fell in love with the lances playstyle
Honestly the main reason most people I know don’t like lance is
1. It’s not the flashiest or the most cool
2. Why use lance when you could use lance .. but it’s also a gun
Subscribed, we lance mains must stay together
I play lance... It's not my main, I'm a certified Hunting Horn main but I dabble in most weapons quite a bit (With the goal of getting proficient with them all eventually) and Lance is one I keep coming back to. Something so satisfying about being able to just stay in the monster's face and keep doing damage while it tries and fails to stop you.
I take offense to that, I almost never used guard or guard up until later, when it is easy to slot some level or free. I use mainly oensive skills, the basic defence, counter and dodge in more than enough
I really liked lance. I don't really care about speed or flash. But I'd still say its main issue is that it feels like trying to walk through meter high snow. I do want a defensive weapon, but I also want to be able to reach the battle and move enough to defend other people.
Lance is the ultimate giga-Chad weapon. You anchor down feet from the monsters face, slap your balls down and say “do something about it”
One of my favorite things about Lance in World was just watching everyone run away from Kulva Taroth as she rains fiery death upon everything in her general vicinity while I just stand there in a pool of fire and lava.
I'm a simple man. I see a fellow lance main, I subscribe.
NOT EVEN GONNA LIE
I go lance when i want to tryhard in rise nowadays. Its so easy to block a majority of attacks, the silkbind counter thats basically just the move from generations ultimate gives you insane dps boosts to the lance, and the shield bash changing lances combo after 18 years changed so little, but so much for its basic attack string.
6:15 Guard up has been a mainstay skill for lance since at least tri, if not earlier. The real issue with lance now is that they nerfed the effect evasion skills have on its back and side hops, so now it feels like there's only one "real" way to play it, and that's by blocking and poking. In 4U and GU you could stack evade extender and evasion instead of blocking skills and dance around monsters with plenty of s, mobility being a non-issue.
I picked up lance recently swapping over from CB on a fresh character. The hardest part for me was getting used to the hops, but once it clicked, I am really excited to see what lance will be in late game and soon in wilds.
Ironically the last 3 reasons around 4:56 are completely valid. There are some weapons that will turn you into a f*cking unstopable death machine. Valor LS, Valor HBG, Valor GS, Rise LS, SA ZSD spam in World/IB. There is no world in which lance can OBJECTIVELY compete with these playstyles. It's impossible. The math just does not check out.
Striker Lance in GU is already an anomaly and it allows some really good runs and speedruns, but it is nowhere close to the best speedrun weapons, unless the match up is decent.
Capcom has a clear bias towards... certain weapons ( I'm looking at you filthy weeb stick ). It's sad, but they just cater to the lowest common denominators, which are popularity and raw weapon power. They can't nerf the stronger weapons, because it would alienate a lot of people.
So, the thing that always hyped me up about the lance was how the shield felt so fluid to use in combat, and I always feel like a badass when I take a knee and endure the most savage attacks from the monster that I'm fighting. For me, it is flashy in how it defends and that's what really got me hooked on it. Outside of that, it has many tools to adjust your position, such as the humble side steps, the dodge with shield raised, and the lance's charge. Also, it reminds me a lot of how the NPC knights in a Dark Souls game would typically fight with a shield and spear, which is a fantasy that I always wanted in the Souls games.
They just released the video for the lance in Wilds, so I'm curious to see your thoughts on it. Personally, I'm really excited that they leaned a bit more into the shields offensive capabilities.
As someone who has dabbled with the lance on and off. And had a blast with it each time
But had never fully mained it. Never beat fatalis with it.
This beautiful video, has made me decide to stick with it. On my second playthrough of rise, an 100th🤣 playthrough of world. To beat fatalis with it
Then take on a whole new game of wilds.
Because I love rare to be seen things, underrated, non "meta" things. And then take them, get good with them, and use them. An outdo the "better", more common things.
I like that, good luck man!
Clutch claw sucks but honest to God lance felt so fun with claw counter and its built in super armor, I could see a cool timeline where they kept that move in and made it so lance is the "soften monster parts" weapon since countering was given to a weapon that totally needed it more (the other half of the roster)
Most hunters care about MUH DPS, disregarding the fact that monsters can and will one-tap them whenever they make a small mistake (mis-timed that longsword counter and back to camp you go!). Especially among new players from other action games, slow and clunky weapons like lance and gunlance are skipped often because they wanna live the power fantasy of dealing lotsa damage while being stylish.
Lance is not about style. Lance is about giving a middle finger to whatever the monster throws at you and deliver retribution in simple but effective way. Lance, in and of itself, is a statement. Lance is the go-to choice if you wanna give your hunting targets a poke of death... or a few dozens of it.
I think Guard Up can stay, and I agree on making lance eats less sharpness to be much more effective in dealing damage. What I'd like to give to lance is Insta-block becomes a built-in feature and the counter that comes out of it have multiple versions outside from swipes. Maybe the counter comes with strong thrust or a lunge, idk.
As for me, the premise of being **The Wall** is brilliant, but I like my poke stick comes with a gun attached to it.
Having played the Wilds Demo with Lance I have to say it was absolutely amazing to get the "this attack is going to kill you" - indicators and be the only one in the team not running for their life. That made it feel way more powerful - I even wished for a move that could pull more aggro on me. Maybe that could also be a good addition for the lance in the future?
Lance is a mobility weapon. And god, is it fun.
Came here to be surrounded by fellow lance mains. *We are the wall.*
Can't wait to see your new video on the lance
As someone who used lance on the side quite a bit in world and Gen and mained it in 4 and Rise, the whole draw of the lance is the simplicity of it, the thing that made it fun for me was that I was the Implacable Man in the fight, constantly doing my basic attacks while pulling off perfect guards and keeping up pressure, it was very fun to get the timing down and I really did enjoy the playstyle, I think that simplicity is why a lot of people play lance.
However despite it being honestly a very fun way to play, you're fighting for last place damage wise all the time, and as much as I like the weapon, it's understandable why people will gravitate away from it when there are objectively better weapons to use. I would really like to see it get some deserved attention, especially since the lance was paradoxically the king of the weapons in the older games, making it more in line with the other weapons would be awesome.
Even if it didn't whenever I play MH, Lance is pretty much my go to now, lance bro forever.
6:20 I'd say to give the lance a swipe option after the dashing stab which lets you back or forward step in a direction for reorientation and continued aggression. Also give it a shield bash for safe stun build-up/armor break interrupts. It'd allow you to trade with the monsters when played and kitted properly.
Been a lance main since monhun 1
Living my best sir lancelot dreams
Cool vid, I liked the lance in older gens, but it got coolness crept. True charge slash and helmbreaker in World just feel a million more times satisfying to pull off than upward thrust upward thrust, forward thrust.
I picked up lance for Sunbreak and the weapon is great for going into a fight blind. You can see which attacks are the strong hits while safely behind the shield. Plus the constant flow of blocking and then counterattacking allows you to better understand the flow for subsequent hunts. An ideal move for knockdowns would be the cherry on the cake
Look. When I show up and drop your hunt time down by 40%, you'll wanna try the lance too :D
The trailer for Lance in MH Wilds looks so cool. I might start maining it due to this. I like the idea of have having fairly simple gameplay that further emphasises blocking/dodging and dealing consistent damage.
I tried lance in World/Iceborne after seeing the Wilds Lance trailer.
I am not a Lance main.
Being able to stay on the monster almost constantly and punishing monsters for their attacks is SO satisfying!
Really looking forward to see the changes in Wilds.
I played Generations after World, and it really made me appreciate Lance, to the point I was maining it at the end of Sunbreak. I think I'll be starting Wilds with it, too.
Well, you've pretty much summed up what the perceived problem is. Not a bad weapon by any means though.
I'm curious about your thunder build (Sunbreak) in the video since I haven't used lance in anomaly quests yet, would you mind sharing it?
Lance has a lot more going for it that most people miss, especially in rise. For example, twin vines adds 2 levels of guard, as well as instigator, and unlocks a 3rd silkbind move with the hop. Spiral thrust allows you to follow up with two extra hits after the second thrust, the second of which is among your more powerful. It also has a parry at the beginning that provides a 10% damage buff. The most missed thing has existed since world. That's the ability to power guard after guarding an attack that gives knockback. So block an attack, and while your sliding input power guard. You get to respond faster then anyone else with fairly hard hitting moves.