It is kinda eerie how this played out. Neglect really had the kind of path someone who was neglected may have. Starting out trying their best, trying to earn love/attention. Though by teen years comes inevitable struggle in school and life. Then upon growing up more, wanting to become a super parent upon recognizing their abuse. Like, I didn't expect it to play out so realistically, I expected just shenanigans.
Omg now I have tears in my eyes 😢 My second generation sim has just married a random sim (a daughter of game-generated couple or one from the gallery I never played with), and she is such a tender girl with the Super Parent default aspiration. I had an image that her parents were neglecting their children and died early, and the poor girl and her younger sis were mostly being raised by their elder brother. Oh my, this insight brings so much detail to her story 😮
Honestly Irl this tends to happen. Or the opposite where you are scared to death of having children because you are afraid of traumatizing them because of your own trauma (To which I say if you are self aware that you have significant childhood trauma then you are already on the first steps to healing.) Also I speak from experience here. I was neglected and abused as a kid and my brother probably arguably had it worse due to my mother's abuser being her own brother in her childhood. When I was younger the thought of having kids terrified me then in my mid 20's after dealing with much of my trauma through therapy and having stability in my life my partner and I had a kid and we're happy. I get triggered sometimes but I'm good at leaving the situation to take a breather before I address the issue. I don't know if I would do another kid not because I don't love being a mom, in fact I dream of having another kid. But I feel like my daughter now 4, has it made being an only child. She doesn't have to worry about sibling bullying, she doesn't have to compete for resources, affection, or her parents time.
It's pretty interesting because there definitely was a difference between neglect and not neglect and that was their moods. Neglect was really sad all the time and was often in a really bad mood but that just doesn't have any long term consequences in the sims 4.
@@edit6588 Yeah it would be interesting to try something similar in 2 or 3. But also it didn't seem like she was using the parenthood system that much- you can easily get 2 or 3 reward traits per kid if you respond to each of their actions with praise or discipline
I think that's why he didn't do his homework and didn't get better grades tho. I think in a better mood he would've completed more homework on his own and turning up in better mood at school would've improved his grades too like it does with jobs if I'm not mistaken. So it does have an impact. It just doesn't have the pyschological impact it had in previous games.
@@MademoiselleRed1390 I think a lot of the mood effects on job progress got tuned down and the autonomous desire to do homework seems more correlated to the responsible trait than anything else
@@edit6588 they do sometimes and effect how well you can do things or if you can at all. the kids have special traits to unlock depending on how they are raised
He would've been a little better off since that also raises their attention need as a toddler, I think. I wonder if with a family pet and a doggie door, Neglect would've been perfectly average? 🥲😂
@@itmattersnot1216 True! Otherwise he would've pooped his diapers constantly and been miserable about being stinky although I'm not certain how much that bad mood would've impacted his life either. The other thing is that she of course gave him food but she had to or he would've been taken away. So it's kind of a flawed model if only because certain things have to be taken into account and really it's all just a bit of fun with Sims Science. 😂😅😆
@@izraelsamson1985It’s not that they’re a “target” so much as there’s literally no other way without cloning to make sure that there are no other factors at play other than what you’re trying to study.
"Nothing much happens." Sums up everything gameplay wise in TS4. Thanks a lot EA. You broke the "Life Simulation" of a life simulation game. **insert side-eye**
as someone who was neglected as a child, this is kind of, makes sense, i love how you cheer neglect on, and say he’s doing a good job, it kinda makes me feel good about myself, i feel i tried my best as a child and it was never enough but it wasn’t really my fault
Challenges like this are fun but IMO it does drive home how lacking Sims 4 gameplay is that the differences in experience didn't really seem to shape their personalities in any significant way or have any lasting concequences.
@@NeylieciousBefore Growing Together, no I don’t think that would have had any impact. It’s not like there’s a moodlet for feeling jealous that brother got a hug.
@@12wer3wer9 In TS3, they would have aged up with different traits because their moods and history of care determine what traits they can get when they age up.
Yeah, as someone commented above, if you don't give sims a good childhood/upbringing in Sims 3, you won't be able to pick their traits for them, and they're more likely to get negative traits. Makes sense!
In the sims 2 toddlers need to be trained to use the potty, so i dont think its possible to have zero interaction at this life stage. Otherwise they can survive with a pet bed and a pet food bowl...
I did the same thing with twin boys 💀 Nature (the neglected toddler) was completely cut off from the rest of the house, only a bed and table in his colourless room with one window and one bathroom (for a parent to bath him when necessary) and zero toys. He was such a curious toddler, his imagination worked overtime, he somehow taught himself skills (idk how) and he was so happy whenever he'd see one of his parents. He was patient and relatively happier than his other brother (like content with being alone in a grey room for all of his life) Nurture (the non neglected toddler) literally had everything - a massive room inside the house with every toy and decoration and attention from his parents - they taught him skills and were, well, parents to him lol. He was a tantrum throwing, impatient little brat who threw his food off his high chair every chance he got and he screamed and cried like a freaking banshee everyday. Safe to say I was baffled considering it was a simulation game 😂
build challenge idea: when you need a specific piece of furniture (eg chair) you go to the comfort section in BB and randomise a number, which will give you the furniture from that section you have to use
I feel bad if my Sims don't interact with their children, so I always have them spending time together reading or playing together. If the parents are busy, I have the kids nearby playing with a toy or the family pet. xD
(Not so) Fun fact: A pretty common side effect of childhood neglect is stunted growth, mentally *and* physically. The slowed mental maturing is pretty well known and expected by most people in the modern day who know anything about how children work (You know, they kinda need guidance from parents and role models to learn how to human, essentially). However, kids' bodies can literally experience notably slow bodily growth and development, as well as other physical complications, as a result of poor treatment such as neglect*. So, realistically, while they would still technically be twins, the rather morbid reality is that the idea of Neglect and Not Neglect "no longer being twins" isn't as far-fetched as most might think, as mentally and physically it would be unsurprising for Neglect to look and act "younger" than his brother. But The Sims, probably thankfully, doesn't have this level of detail. * Extra (not so) fun info: I believe I've also heard that things like this happen when children are raised believing themselves to be younger than they were, e.g. an "8" year old who's actually 13 matching more closely to the development of their believed age than their real one. Though, I'm struggling to find a source for this or remember where exactly I heard it (I believe it was from my A-Level psych teacher but I can't be sure) so take it with a grain of salt.
That makes sense for the former. For the latter, I think that probably holds true throughout life and should apply in reverse too. If you feel old and worn down and perceive yourself to be way older than you are, you may physically and mentally age faster. If you feel and act younger without as much stress and deterioration, you'd certainly be better off as long as you've already hit your stride during the major part of life development. This is all assumption, no experiments to back it up, but it would make a lot of sense to me so just take everything I've said with an entire salt shaker on hand!
Oh see when first saw the title, I thought we were doing an experiment to see how long a baby could survive on it's own. Food could already be prepped in the fridge or just out on the table, they could have access to at least one object that gives a trait gain, and we just lock the door and speed up till it either ages up or gets taken away but there are no adults. Just the baby/ toddler.
Babies absolutely need someone to feed them, so either way that stage would be ended as soon as they got hungry. Toddlers, meanwhile, can survive alone pretty much indefinitely as long as you leave plates of food lying around. They'll even spawn sippy cups on their own sometimes when they're hungry.
The game won't let you have a household without an adult or teen unless you use cheats. Sooo... no. That doesn't work in Sims 4. And then the rest of what the other person said is true lol. No real need to do that challenge.
It's fascinating really how close Neglect and Not Neglect were in the end. I mean, Not Neglect definitely had a better overall upbringing, but their school performance really was nothing to write home about and was about the same as Neglect's. Not Neglect was responsible a lot of the time yet never actually achieved it as a trait, which is baffling. Meanwhile, Not Neglect received zero interaction and honestly ended up pretty alright.
... How do you normally play the Sims if I might ask? Most of my kiddos turn out better but then I focus on them a lot as toddlers and begrudgingly as kids (just because I really wish we had more kid aspirations by now edit: and I don't ignore them entirely because I do aim to get a few of the Parenthood traits, some of which are easier to get as kids.)
Try deleting the LocalThumbCache package from your Sims 4 folder and see if that helps at all. It certainly won't hurt, I recommend deleting it after every update bare minimum. I just can't guarantee it'll fix the glitch but if they recently changed the way locked doors work in the coding and the change also applies to older saves, then it might. 😊
I have a save file where my sims neglect their children all the time and the only thing they talk to are their weed plants and their only source of food is their sibling (bbq baby mod)
This reminds me of an challenge I started but never finished. Quality of Life. 3 Sims raised locked in three rooms. All get the same items (Ie. if one of them gets a toilet, they all get a toilet. If one gets a computer, they all get one) but one room gets the lowest quality version. One gets the highest quality. And the last room gets something of a quality right in the middle. They have NO interaction with anyone else and are locked in their rooms for their whole lives.
It wouldn't have really been reflective of the experiment if it was randomized by the player and making all traits the same is a better control element. In some Sims games (can't remember if 4 does this) players won't be able to select traits if the child doesn't grow up well and they could end up with negative ones. You could choose to simulate that by only randomizing one of them.
@@BonaparteBardithion yes that was good old sims 3 when they would get a negative trait if they didn't grow up well, miss that feature and just the sims 3 traits altogether.
So Jesse, if you want real life "experiments" : I was "Neglect" in high school (living alone at home) but focused all my energy on school (i'm also on the spectrum so i was not really interested in social interactions, which helps) and got valedictorian. So thumbs up to Neglect and all the other "Neglects" who made it on their own !
You have been wiser then me for sure. I used to be neglect too. I focused all my energy searching for attention elsewhere. I have some diploma's thankfully, I can pass a test when I need to. However many failed attempts at love, having undiagnosed adhd untill my 30s, being socially skill level 0 and frustration lead to addiction. Because I was too scared to talk to people without being wasted. I have overcome this eventually. I can't ever drink (or do drugs) anymore, which is fine cuz I'm used to it after 4 years. I'm also very okay being single. Being alone is my safe spot. I don't feel lonely. Just really nervous whenever I can't escape human interaction.
Another Neglect here, also on the spectrum... I used to show up at people's houses randomly because the loneliness ate away at me and I couldn't take care of myself. Got disfigured from malnutrition. Decades later and I still just cry when I'm alone.
@@Kristenhas3cats wow the showing up at peoples houses really hits home, when I was little I snuck into my next door neighbours by saying my dad said I could ask to see the dog. I brought a book with me and everything cus I just wanted people to pay attention to me, wild
This is like the "other side" of my toddler grow-up challenge, where you control a toddler and try to make it to adulthood. Considering how much you provided for Neglect in this game, it's actually pretty hard the AI to screw up so much that he would die or get taken away... but then I've watched enough uncontrolled sims in general to know they can usually at least stay alive... but not always. XD My toddler grow up challenge runs on normal or long lifespans with a house full of uncontrolled adults, exceptions being initially giving the adults jobs if you want, paying bills (money cheats are fine as this isn't a money challenge), and calling a repairman on broken items until the challenge kid is a teen and the teen must do all repairs themselves... oh, and baking a birthday cake for the toddler/child if you don't want to wait out their lifespan. Whatever simoleons the kid earns before graduation they get to take with them out of the challenge (I keep track of their earnings on paper). A high chair is required for the toddler part because without one, there's too much of a risk the toddler will starve. Usually I have specific goals they need to complete before aging up too, like max all toddler skills, max all child skills and aspirations (and can only age up while having an A grade), and max one skill and finish one aspiration while a teen (and can only age up while having an A grade). Something you mention about the grades being slow in this video: going to the actual high school seems to slow school progress waaaay down. Sending teens to school on their own and having them set to Study Hard gets their grades up much faster (and the Good Schools lot trait will boost it even more). They need to be in a decent mood to have the best chance of going up a grade as well, much like jobs and promotions.
Yeah, Teen/Adult Sims can give a toddler a bottle out of nowhere as a free snack but the high chair allows them to offer better options if no one has the sense to cook a multiple-serving meal and the toddler has to beg for food. The high chair is also required to feed a toddler if you go to another lot without the toddler or the toddler is sent to daycare. That said, the more Sims on the lot being controlled by the AI, the stupider they get because it's more complicated for the game to keep track and I guess decide when you just won't respond in time or you're actively ignoring them, so you might want to try that challenge again with fewer adults and see if they're better about cooking for themselves (maybe just three adults max.) You could also build them a house close to one of the neighborhood grilling hot spots lol like in Newcrest or Willow Creek! I think Oasis Springs has one or two as well, definitely one somewhere in the starter area, but I forget how popular they are since it also depends on which Sims wander over and I've played in that world a bit less. 😊 Edit: Also, you've probably seen it because Plumbella posted her video when she competed, but maybe you should try the oops all toddlers and one adult challenge in multiplayer if you can convince some friends to do it! That's legit the only reason I'm intrigued to see what Sims 5/Sims Redux multiplayer might be like on RUclips. 😂
It wasn't until embarrassingly recently that I raised pretty much all my sim kids this way cause I thought that was how raising kids works cause it's kinda how I grew up. Then I did the 100 baby challenge and started interacting with them cause it like, helps gain skills faster and then I genuinely had a full on eureka moment of like, what if they actually likes eachother?? Just for the craic like be friends?? And now I enjoy the Sims a lot more.
Uh.... You're not supposed to raise kids like that, that's not the right way to raise children. You need to interact with them, severe neglect (Emotional) in real life can kill the baby (They need it at the age of Newborn on up) You should ALWAYS try to interact in NICE ways with NO hitting or SEXUAL ABUSE when it comes to any child, real or not.
Absolutely emotional over how Neglect may have been neglected by his sim parents, but he was very loved by his creator Jessica. Didn’t come into this video expecting to draw such a strong metaphor from the sims to how I feel about my own childhood and relationship with God, but He do be movin in mysterious ways bestie 🤷🏻♀️
Ah I've played a neglected child storyline - though the child did interact with other people aside from their parents (mainly the other people that stayed at the motel or park when they were homeless) It eventually morphed into a 'can a child take care of toddlers' challenge when their parents had babies back to back and mom split to go live with her firefighter boyfriend while dad was passed out drunk all day - and turns out they really can! The only thing the child couldn't really do was bathe them, but living in a crappy motel, half the time plumbing didn't work anyway (After a few more trials and tribulations, including dad going to jail, eldest kid dropped out of school and worked to keep them in a nicer motel before eventually saving up to afford a decent apartment. She's a YA working on her GED on the side while her siblings are able to attend middle and high school. She'll go to culinary school afterwards)
I wish they forced traits on unhappy kids like in the Sims 3, the sims in the Sims 4 still feel like they have 1/10th of the personality they had in Sims 3. I think it'll only get worse in the future too, I think they're focusing more on aesthetics and less on AI for project Renee.
havent watched it yet but feel called out. i stopped playing the sims recently because every game unintentionally turns into my childhood trauma simulator
I accidentally did something like this with two infants, there were twins and I was trying to take care of both of them along with one toddler. There were four adults in the household. One of the infants had the wiggly trait and could not go to sleep for the life of her (I didn't know about the ways to get her to sleep), and was always angry or sad, and always had at least two low stats. I aged both of them up the wiggly one got the unhappy infant trait but the other one got top notch infant 💀 and now every single child in the family except that one got top notch infant-
It is kinda eerie how this played out. Neglect really had the kind of path someone who was neglected may have. Starting out trying their best, trying to earn love/attention. Though by teen years comes inevitable struggle in school and life. Then upon growing up more, wanting to become a super parent upon recognizing their abuse. Like, I didn't expect it to play out so realistically, I expected just shenanigans.
Right?? I just wanna give poor Neglect a hug 😭
And he only did so well because she made him INDEPENDENT 🤦♀️
I didn’t go to the comments expecting to be described word for word
me literally me
A lot of abused people I know are also abusers
Pretty sad that Neglect's aspiration as a young adult is to be a Super Parent, to give their children the upbringing that they didn't receive
I was thinking the same
Omg now I have tears in my eyes 😢 My second generation sim has just married a random sim (a daughter of game-generated couple or one from the gallery I never played with), and she is such a tender girl with the Super Parent default aspiration. I had an image that her parents were neglecting their children and died early, and the poor girl and her younger sis were mostly being raised by their elder brother. Oh my, this insight brings so much detail to her story 😮
Honestly Irl this tends to happen. Or the opposite where you are scared to death of having children because you are afraid of traumatizing them because of your own trauma (To which I say if you are self aware that you have significant childhood trauma then you are already on the first steps to healing.)
Also I speak from experience here. I was neglected and abused as a kid and my brother probably arguably had it worse due to my mother's abuser being her own brother in her childhood. When I was younger the thought of having kids terrified me then in my mid 20's after dealing with much of my trauma through therapy and having stability in my life my partner and I had a kid and we're happy. I get triggered sometimes but I'm good at leaving the situation to take a breather before I address the issue. I don't know if I would do another kid not because I don't love being a mom, in fact I dream of having another kid. But I feel like my daughter now 4, has it made being an only child.
She doesn't have to worry about sibling bullying, she doesn't have to compete for resources, affection, or her parents time.
Damn..
The irony
Illegal experiments made legal through The Sims 4
ive done so many experiments... especially starving people to death😀
Psych experiments but legal
John B. Watson must be shaking in his grave
@@wenzdae_ john b watson playing the sims is the psych version of letting a victorian child hit a vape
At least Neglect got privacy. Not Neglect only had that toddler fence his whole life 😂
Lol😂 💀
Ig that's the price you pay for being the baby that's not being neglected 😂
The child that looks more like Eliza not being neglected and the child that looks more like Bob being neglected is sending me into a lore spiral
@OfficialCoffeezilla. shut up bot
Anyways
I am looking tell me about the lore spiral
plus, the child that wasn't neglected hated Eliza but loved Bob...
@@lofkii that is so hilarious ngl-
"I'm not like other girls - I'm horrifically worse" is another stellar Plumbella quote.
timestamp 17:36
I have to use that now lol
Omg i was literally crying 🤣🤣🤣
It's pretty interesting because there definitely was a difference between neglect and not neglect and that was their moods. Neglect was really sad all the time and was often in a really bad mood but that just doesn't have any long term consequences in the sims 4.
and thats what people dont like abouut sims 4 moods, they dont actually matter except for change in facial expression
@@edit6588 Yeah it would be interesting to try something similar in 2 or 3. But also it didn't seem like she was using the parenthood system that much- you can easily get 2 or 3 reward traits per kid if you respond to each of their actions with praise or discipline
I think that's why he didn't do his homework and didn't get better grades tho. I think in a better mood he would've completed more homework on his own and turning up in better mood at school would've improved his grades too like it does with jobs if I'm not mistaken. So it does have an impact. It just doesn't have the pyschological impact it had in previous games.
@@MademoiselleRed1390 I think a lot of the mood effects on job progress got tuned down and the autonomous desire to do homework seems more correlated to the responsible trait than anything else
@@edit6588 they do sometimes and effect how well you can do things or if you can at all. the kids have special traits to unlock depending on how they are raised
I wonder how Neglect would've faired if we'd given him a Blarffy for communication and let him keep it throughout his childhood
He would've been a little better off since that also raises their attention need as a toddler, I think. I wonder if with a family pet and a doggie door, Neglect would've been perfectly average? 🥲😂
@@DoveJS Possibly but ONLY because she made him INDEPENDENT so he NEVER NEEDED ANYONE 🤦♀️
@@itmattersnot1216 True! Otherwise he would've pooped his diapers constantly and been miserable about being stinky although I'm not certain how much that bad mood would've impacted his life either. The other thing is that she of course gave him food but she had to or he would've been taken away. So it's kind of a flawed model if only because certain things have to be taken into account and really it's all just a bit of fun with Sims Science. 😂😅😆
next video is gonna be something like "do sims prefer the cloth mother or the wire mother?"
it took me a second but elite reference
as someone taking a psych 101 course and who has an interest in psychology in general, yes
@@mellwrrld9206 I love how twins are the target for all development psych experiments that need a control group, even in the sims lmao
Noooooooo!
@@izraelsamson1985It’s not that they’re a “target” so much as there’s literally no other way without cloning to make sure that there are no other factors at play other than what you’re trying to study.
"Nothing much happens." Sums up everything gameplay wise in TS4. Thanks a lot EA. You broke the "Life Simulation" of a life simulation game. **insert side-eye**
Love this comment 😂
as someone who was neglected as a child, this is kind of, makes sense,
i love how you cheer neglect on, and say he’s doing a good job, it kinda makes me feel good about myself,
i feel i tried my best as a child and it was never enough but it wasn’t really my fault
@OfficialTheFuturscam bot on the wrong channel
I felt exactly the same way 🥹💖 and for what it’s worth, I absolutely know you did your best (cause I’ve been there myself) 💖
Challenges like this are fun but IMO it does drive home how lacking Sims 4 gameplay is that the differences in experience didn't really seem to shape their personalities in any significant way or have any lasting concequences.
true, i'm gonna try to do this on sims 2 to see if there's more impact
@@cauboired any updates?
I feel like it could've been way different if they actually lived with his family and saw not neglect interact with the parents but not him
@@NeylieciousBefore Growing Together, no I don’t think that would have had any impact. It’s not like there’s a moodlet for feeling jealous that brother got a hug.
This reminds me of the Nature VS Nurture theory in sociology, like feral children.
Okay, now I need to see this again, but with Neglect as a little baby werewolf in the wolf onesie.
Jess is truly the Watson and Reyner of our generation
I love that “A child” 5:20 is still referenced. It lives rent free in my mind and always will.
"I'm not like other girls. I am HORRIFICALLY worse."
Isn't that just a whole ass mood
I kind of want Neglect as a returning character now
sees prompt: wow that's so interesting!!!
sees execution: NO POOR BABY MY HEART IS IN SHAMBLES
"it is the maddie v kenzie" flashbacks to when Melissa was talking about how great of a dancer her DAUGHTER (singular) is
I'd love to see the results of this in the other Sims games.
Yeah, I would like to see this in any game where actions matter 😅. Would be interesting to see what happens in ts2 and 3.
@@12wer3wer9 In TS3, they would have aged up with different traits because their moods and history of care determine what traits they can get when they age up.
Yeah, as someone commented above, if you don't give sims a good childhood/upbringing in Sims 3, you won't be able to pick their traits for them, and they're more likely to get negative traits. Makes sense!
In the sims 2 toddlers need to be trained to use the potty, so i dont think its possible to have zero interaction at this life stage. Otherwise they can survive with a pet bed and a pet food bowl...
@@OmenaOmega I'd still love to see her try. Like, can she get them to age up before they get taken away?
'What would happen if you just didn't interact with a child' - Me in any situation
I did the same thing with twin boys 💀
Nature (the neglected toddler) was completely cut off from the rest of the house, only a bed and table in his colourless room with one window and one bathroom (for a parent to bath him when necessary) and zero toys. He was such a curious toddler, his imagination worked overtime, he somehow taught himself skills (idk how) and he was so happy whenever he'd see one of his parents. He was patient and relatively happier than his other brother (like content with being alone in a grey room for all of his life)
Nurture (the non neglected toddler) literally had everything - a massive room inside the house with every toy and decoration and attention from his parents - they taught him skills and were, well, parents to him lol. He was a tantrum throwing, impatient little brat who threw his food off his high chair every chance he got and he screamed and cried like a freaking banshee everyday.
Safe to say I was baffled considering it was a simulation game 😂
But did you feed him the negoected kid
build challenge idea: when you need a specific piece of furniture (eg chair) you go to the comfort section in BB and randomise a number, which will give you the furniture from that section you have to use
This is such a Tony Stark idea
@@MonaHerSelfM Well duh I was the one who came up with it so of course it’s my idea 🙄 do you need a brain scan or something?
@@MonaHerSelfM and if by ‘Tony stark idea’ you mean genius, innovative, and original then yes you are quite right
I feel bad if my Sims don't interact with their children, so I always have them spending time together reading or playing together. If the parents are busy, I have the kids nearby playing with a toy or the family pet. xD
Same, I always feel so guilty when my Sims don't spend time with the kids. I should make them spend time close by more, that sounds like a good idea
"eliza is expecting" just made me think of hamilton and the "then I remember my Eliza’s expecting me... not only that, my Eliza’s expecting" 😭
Omg stop 🥺🥺 same I can’t stop picturing Eliza whenever Jesse says her name
Need a part two where neglect raises a child🥺 how he wished he was raised
The way I laughed as she built the wall to stop the kids talking to each other😂 haha
Wonder what it'd be like on the other Sims games.
Imagine this in the Sims 1! I don't think Neglect would have survived very long...
@@Jannyl13 no definitely they take your kid away in 2 seconds 😂
Good to know that the inability to improve your grades in High School Years without sending them alone is still active.
(Not so) Fun fact: A pretty common side effect of childhood neglect is stunted growth, mentally *and* physically. The slowed mental maturing is pretty well known and expected by most people in the modern day who know anything about how children work (You know, they kinda need guidance from parents and role models to learn how to human, essentially).
However, kids' bodies can literally experience notably slow bodily growth and development, as well as other physical complications, as a result of poor treatment such as neglect*.
So, realistically, while they would still technically be twins, the rather morbid reality is that the idea of Neglect and Not Neglect "no longer being twins" isn't as far-fetched as most might think, as mentally and physically it would be unsurprising for Neglect to look and act "younger" than his brother. But The Sims, probably thankfully, doesn't have this level of detail.
* Extra (not so) fun info: I believe I've also heard that things like this happen when children are raised believing themselves to be younger than they were, e.g. an "8" year old who's actually 13 matching more closely to the development of their believed age than their real one. Though, I'm struggling to find a source for this or remember where exactly I heard it (I believe it was from my A-Level psych teacher but I can't be sure) so take it with a grain of salt.
That makes sense for the former. For the latter, I think that probably holds true throughout life and should apply in reverse too. If you feel old and worn down and perceive yourself to be way older than you are, you may physically and mentally age faster. If you feel and act younger without as much stress and deterioration, you'd certainly be better off as long as you've already hit your stride during the major part of life development. This is all assumption, no experiments to back it up, but it would make a lot of sense to me so just take everything I've said with an entire salt shaker on hand!
A better name for Not Neglect would be Control Group lol
“oN lE LiNe oUi Oui If YoU wIlL”
Plumbella is iconic
I'm surprised Neglect didn't get the mini fridge or a cooler. He's doing good with a large fridge.
It has been such a stressful week at work, and this popping up on my lunch break is exactly what I needed 💜
Child neglect is exactly what I needed ❤
@@anyalaASMR yeah😻
Y’all are weird
@@alicemichaelis9468 🤭
We stan a thorough queen, making the challenge a randomized controlled challenge.
If you view the sims profiles in the friendship panel you can see the titles they have for their parents and siblings!
Oh see when first saw the title, I thought we were doing an experiment to see how long a baby could survive on it's own. Food could already be prepped in the fridge or just out on the table, they could have access to at least one object that gives a trait gain, and we just lock the door and speed up till it either ages up or gets taken away but there are no adults. Just the baby/ toddler.
Babies absolutely need someone to feed them, so either way that stage would be ended as soon as they got hungry. Toddlers, meanwhile, can survive alone pretty much indefinitely as long as you leave plates of food lying around. They'll even spawn sippy cups on their own sometimes when they're hungry.
The game won't let you have a household without an adult or teen unless you use cheats. Sooo... no. That doesn't work in Sims 4. And then the rest of what the other person said is true lol. No real need to do that challenge.
It's fascinating really how close Neglect and Not Neglect were in the end. I mean, Not Neglect definitely had a better overall upbringing, but their school performance really was nothing to write home about and was about the same as Neglect's. Not Neglect was responsible a lot of the time yet never actually achieved it as a trait, which is baffling. Meanwhile, Not Neglect received zero interaction and honestly ended up pretty alright.
“He’s tryin’ his best! God bless his little cotton socks..”
this line
somehow Neglect is on the same level as most of my sims kids that I always look after 😭
... How do you normally play the Sims if I might ask? Most of my kiddos turn out better but then I focus on them a lot as toddlers and begrudgingly as kids (just because I really wish we had more kid aspirations by now edit: and I don't ignore them entirely because I do aim to get a few of the Parenthood traits, some of which are easier to get as kids.)
If you have the infant pack, you should do this again, because you can have actual bonus traits and family bonds depending on parents interactions.
I liked sims 2 because if you had two parents and one parent neglected a kid it would have a bad relationship on the child later on
Therapy. Lots of therapy when they grow up.
Signed,
Spouse of an IRL neglected kid
Oh! You could've called the babies Dudley and Harry! And had the toddler room under the stairs haha
I loaded up my sims and was looking for a background vid to listen to while I built so THANK YOU
locked doors aren't working for me either and in fact most of the time everyone just walks through walls, almost as if out of spite.
Try deleting the LocalThumbCache package from your Sims 4 folder and see if that helps at all. It certainly won't hurt, I recommend deleting it after every update bare minimum. I just can't guarantee it'll fix the glitch but if they recently changed the way locked doors work in the coding and the change also applies to older saves, then it might. 😊
@@DoveJS oh thank you i will try that! I always forget to do it after the updates
@@DoveJS oh thank you i will try that! I always forget to do it after the updates
as a neglected child I think this was pretty accurate
This would be a really interesting one to do in the other games as well!
I have a save file where my sims neglect their children all the time and the only thing they talk to are their weed plants and their only source of food is their sibling (bbq baby mod)
This reminds me of an challenge I started but never finished. Quality of Life. 3 Sims raised locked in three rooms. All get the same items (Ie. if one of them gets a toilet, they all get a toilet. If one gets a computer, they all get one) but one room gets the lowest quality version. One gets the highest quality. And the last room gets something of a quality right in the middle. They have NO interaction with anyone else and are locked in their rooms for their whole lives.
How do they work? And the social necessity?
If your sim has the self assured trait, always choose the "confident painting" option, you'll get higher quality paintings out of it
*Makes a tunnel for the kid to go to school*
*Forgets to add a door on the room side of the tunnel so the kid can actually use the tunnel*
This is my first time watching, you really know how to captivate an audience lol- i was super entertained
You just went full Dudley and Harry on these kids
conspiracy theory: jessie planned this whole video just to say "you're on your own, kid"
you always had been
Ha ha ha this was so fun, I would've liked it if you randomised their traits just to see if neglect would have got positive or negative traits
It wouldn't have really been reflective of the experiment if it was randomized by the player and making all traits the same is a better control element.
In some Sims games (can't remember if 4 does this) players won't be able to select traits if the child doesn't grow up well and they could end up with negative ones. You could choose to simulate that by only randomizing one of them.
@@BonaparteBardithion yes that was good old sims 3 when they would get a negative trait if they didn't grow up well, miss that feature and just the sims 3 traits altogether.
So Jesse, if you want real life "experiments" : I was "Neglect" in high school (living alone at home) but focused all my energy on school (i'm also on the spectrum so i was not really interested in social interactions, which helps) and got valedictorian. So thumbs up to Neglect and all the other "Neglects" who made it on their own !
You have been wiser then me for sure. I used to be neglect too. I focused all my energy searching for attention elsewhere. I have some diploma's thankfully, I can pass a test when I need to. However many failed attempts at love, having undiagnosed adhd untill my 30s, being socially skill level 0 and frustration lead to addiction. Because I was too scared to talk to people without being wasted. I have overcome this eventually. I can't ever drink (or do drugs) anymore, which is fine cuz I'm used to it after 4 years. I'm also very okay being single. Being alone is my safe spot. I don't feel lonely. Just really nervous whenever I can't escape human interaction.
Another Neglect here, also on the spectrum... I used to show up at people's houses randomly because the loneliness ate away at me and I couldn't take care of myself. Got disfigured from malnutrition. Decades later and I still just cry when I'm alone.
@@Kristenhas3cats wow the showing up at peoples houses really hits home, when I was little I snuck into my next door neighbours by saying my dad said I could ask to see the dog. I brought a book with me and everything cus I just wanted people to pay attention to me, wild
It's kinda like you can feel that social bar being empty!
You are on a ROLL babe, loving the content!!
This is like the "other side" of my toddler grow-up challenge, where you control a toddler and try to make it to adulthood. Considering how much you provided for Neglect in this game, it's actually pretty hard the AI to screw up so much that he would die or get taken away... but then I've watched enough uncontrolled sims in general to know they can usually at least stay alive... but not always. XD
My toddler grow up challenge runs on normal or long lifespans with a house full of uncontrolled adults, exceptions being initially giving the adults jobs if you want, paying bills (money cheats are fine as this isn't a money challenge), and calling a repairman on broken items until the challenge kid is a teen and the teen must do all repairs themselves... oh, and baking a birthday cake for the toddler/child if you don't want to wait out their lifespan. Whatever simoleons the kid earns before graduation they get to take with them out of the challenge (I keep track of their earnings on paper). A high chair is required for the toddler part because without one, there's too much of a risk the toddler will starve. Usually I have specific goals they need to complete before aging up too, like max all toddler skills, max all child skills and aspirations (and can only age up while having an A grade), and max one skill and finish one aspiration while a teen (and can only age up while having an A grade).
Something you mention about the grades being slow in this video: going to the actual high school seems to slow school progress waaaay down. Sending teens to school on their own and having them set to Study Hard gets their grades up much faster (and the Good Schools lot trait will boost it even more). They need to be in a decent mood to have the best chance of going up a grade as well, much like jobs and promotions.
Yeah, Teen/Adult Sims can give a toddler a bottle out of nowhere as a free snack but the high chair allows them to offer better options if no one has the sense to cook a multiple-serving meal and the toddler has to beg for food. The high chair is also required to feed a toddler if you go to another lot without the toddler or the toddler is sent to daycare. That said, the more Sims on the lot being controlled by the AI, the stupider they get because it's more complicated for the game to keep track and I guess decide when you just won't respond in time or you're actively ignoring them, so you might want to try that challenge again with fewer adults and see if they're better about cooking for themselves (maybe just three adults max.) You could also build them a house close to one of the neighborhood grilling hot spots lol like in Newcrest or Willow Creek! I think Oasis Springs has one or two as well, definitely one somewhere in the starter area, but I forget how popular they are since it also depends on which Sims wander over and I've played in that world a bit less. 😊
Edit: Also, you've probably seen it because Plumbella posted her video when she competed, but maybe you should try the oops all toddlers and one adult challenge in multiplayer if you can convince some friends to do it! That's legit the only reason I'm intrigued to see what Sims 5/Sims Redux multiplayer might be like on RUclips. 😂
I think Neglect's random friends could be firefighters
Next video, she's gonna raise a Sim with a cloth mother with no food and wire mother with food lol
Rofl I love that you brought up the gamer-girl headphone topic, it's so true.
The Pancakes seem like the kind of parents who would actually do this
It wasn't until embarrassingly recently that I raised pretty much all my sim kids this way cause I thought that was how raising kids works cause it's kinda how I grew up.
Then I did the 100 baby challenge and started interacting with them cause it like, helps gain skills faster and then I genuinely had a full on eureka moment of like, what if they actually likes eachother?? Just for the craic like be friends?? And now I enjoy the Sims a lot more.
Uh.... You're not supposed to raise kids like that, that's not the right way to raise children. You need to interact with them, severe neglect (Emotional) in real life can kill the baby (They need it at the age of Newborn on up) You should ALWAYS try to interact in NICE ways with NO hitting or SEXUAL ABUSE when it comes to any child, real or not.
EA needs to bring us generational trauma in the next update B)
There’s a mod for it
Growing Together is out now
: )
Eww no
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I don't normally laugh when I watch TS4 videos but this whole video made me cackle so much
'i'm not like the other girls. i'm horrifically worse' mood
Omg your commentary is HILARIOUS
please do this in the sims 2 or 3 (I’m sure the kid will just get taken away but it’ll be a good laugh)
Absolutely emotional over how Neglect may have been neglected by his sim parents, but he was very loved by his creator Jessica. Didn’t come into this video expecting to draw such a strong metaphor from the sims to how I feel about my own childhood and relationship with God, but He do be movin in mysterious ways bestie 🤷🏻♀️
My mam already did this experiment when raising me, and the answer is that I turned out okay-ish
Ah I've played a neglected child storyline - though the child did interact with other people aside from their parents (mainly the other people that stayed at the motel or park when they were homeless)
It eventually morphed into a 'can a child take care of toddlers' challenge when their parents had babies back to back and mom split to go live with her firefighter boyfriend while dad was passed out drunk all day - and turns out they really can! The only thing the child couldn't really do was bathe them, but living in a crappy motel, half the time plumbing didn't work anyway
(After a few more trials and tribulations, including dad going to jail, eldest kid dropped out of school and worked to keep them in a nicer motel before eventually saving up to afford a decent apartment. She's a YA working on her GED on the side while her siblings are able to attend middle and high school. She'll go to culinary school afterwards)
okay fiona gallagher
@@emmadyer thats what i was thinking lol
Which mods did u use to make all this happen?
I need to know what mods you used to do this because I really can’t tell if this is how a Sims 4 experiment played out or if this is a life story
@@emmadyer I looked this up and now I want to watch it lol
this was the perfect time to name the twins subject 1 and subject 2
Betty & Eliza are both nicknames for Elizabeth
"What would happen if you just didn't interact with a child?" [*points at myself*]
if you just build a seperate house and lock the door CPS can't get in.
I wish they forced traits on unhappy kids like in the Sims 3, the sims in the Sims 4 still feel like they have 1/10th of the personality they had in Sims 3. I think it'll only get worse in the future too, I think they're focusing more on aesthetics and less on AI for project Renee.
i love how plumbella understands our intrusive thoughts collectively
jesse 'the ones who walk away from omelas' ing her experiment child has me cracking up
havent watched it yet but feel called out. i stopped playing the sims recently because every game unintentionally turns into my childhood trauma simulator
Yes my locked doors don’t work for animals and sims sometimes
Neglect’s one friend was the monster under the bed 😂
I don't usually like cake either, but I love the frosting!
TY FOR SPEAKING ON THE HEADPHONES! i thought it was only me who found it uncomfy when ur hair is pressed down by the headphones
Neglect made friends with the monster under the bed because he needs someone to connect to.
'what would happen if you just didn't interact with a child' i can think of a lot of things, actually
this feels like a behind the scenes for a sims 2 machinima
I do this inadvertently all of the time. I pick one kid and no matter what that's the kid I play with
I like how Not Neglect is the kid that ended up looking like Eliza, and Neglect is the one looking like Bob lol
why does neglect literally have the same origin arcs of most love interests in nearly all fantasy novels??!!!
I think when high school years came out they made the short lifespan shorter as well, which cant help with the grades issue
Missed opportunity to have Eliza and Bob be antisocial and have the hate children aspiration
but she did want them to interact with one of them
SAVE THEM TO THE GALLERY, I WANNA PLAY WITH THEM
I usually keep my toddlers in a coma, until their age up to children and then I let them roam free, like chickens
oh.
Sims team did this challenge in sims 2 with Lilith and Angela
“you’re on your own kid” by taylor swift
Me, a social worker who works with neglected children: Well, it's not wrong, but it's also not quite right (take from that what you will).
I went through a phase for a few years where I had eclairs for my birthday instead of cake.
You are not alone. I like having bedroom doors locked to everyone but who's room it is, but still, I see people still enter the damn rooms
I accidentally did something like this with two infants, there were twins and I was trying to take care of both of them along with one toddler. There were four adults in the household. One of the infants had the wiggly trait and could not go to sleep for the life of her (I didn't know about the ways to get her to sleep), and was always angry or sad, and always had at least two low stats. I aged both of them up the wiggly one got the unhappy infant trait but the other one got top notch infant 💀 and now every single child in the family except that one got top notch infant-
Only an 18 second intro..that's never happened before
😅
This would be interesting to do this again with the new updates