do you now that bayern has kept a profit for 27 consecutive years, got loan for their stadium and paid it in full 16 years before the due date which is crazy for a team as big as bayern.
Making good investments on Youth can give the best profits for the club! With young quality players you build something better then hyped up stars who are corrupted by fame! I think stars should invest more in having a coach in how to staying sane!
Bayern is literal definition of super club. Huge fan base, successful, top notch infrastructure and profitable on top of that, people tend to overlook how huge they actually are
Who overlooks a club that plays in the UCL quarterfinals basically every year, and four finals since 2010? They rank #1 at the UEFA club coefficients. They also have a rich history. I think no one _"overlooks"_ them.
@@Loxley81 Evading taxes?! Uli H did that personally, it didn't involve the club at all. The TV rights thing is also BS - they take way less than they generate for the league. Overall it's a fairly ethical club and they have often helped out other clubs that were threatened by bankruptcy - they even bailed out Dortmund.
@@PaddyHerrlinger Yes, it also included players of the club, which could be persuaded to join Bayern more easily. As Hoeneß submitted the documents so lately, they could not use all of the evidence, but it was mentioned. Part of the evidence was too old - Hoeneß did that since the 80s - at least. "The TV rights thing is also BS - they take way less than they generate for the league." How do you know? I assume that's just your personal estimation, right? It was no BS. The DFB just did not want to lose their top team, that's all. They were too big to fail - or rather too big to be punished. "and they have often helped out other clubs that were threatened by bankruptcy - they even bailed out Dortmund." Now THAT is some serious BS. They loaned 1 or 2 mio. EUR - and Dortmund had more than 100/150 Mio. EUR of debts. The loan was very short-termed. Bayern took a very high interest rate. Bayern also got the commitment that Dortmund would sell them Frings for a relatively low price. It's always the same fairy tale that is perpetrated by Hoeneß himself...
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I think an important part for Bayern to point out as well is they paid off the loan for their stadium 16 1/2 years early. So no albatross around their neck like some clubs stadium situations
Hey Alfie, can you make a video on the idea of playing B teams in the lower divisions of England. Just like it is Spain with Barcelona B, Real Sociedad B or in Germany. Would be better for player development or it would kill the passion of the lower leagues?
I would hate that idea. It just saturates lower leagues with second teams and reserve players. If we want to promote player development, we should have dedicated reserve leagues (Also that's a good video suggestion)
Because we have a strong pyramid of ten levels already. Who will decide what clubs leave and what don't. Who decides which B teams get in. I don't think it's a good idea anywhere but with such a strong pyramid structure, England is the last place it will work
It would be interesting to see another what on earth is going on video this time focusing on saint etienne. They are a big club with an illustrious history, winning league titles season after season yet find themselves embroiled in a relegation battle this season.
Writing suggestions is not profitable for me, however I will still do it. Day 16: Top 7 second/amateur teams in football (Hertha BSC II which almost won the DFB Pokal, Real Madrid Castilla who lost to their first team in the spanish cup in 1980 but got into Europe)
@@Yusuf-yo1tp You've literally five more National Championships than we've and the same amount of national Cups, while we most certainly wont win the Cup this year ;D I mean I would argue that the Bundesliga is slightly more difficult to win than the Netherland League although that's simple theoretical and you could easily argue against that. Sure thing, Bayern had a good run the last 10 years, but Ajax had similar runs in the past. The issue of the BVB is the infrastructure & management - both results of the "We becomin' Real Madrid!"-Dreams of the early 2000's, for an example. And RB Leipzig needs also some time.
I don't know name of other Netherland clubs but i certainly knew about Ajax from long time ago . Hence it proves they are already Bayern Munich of Netherland .
Nice to mention the "profitable" MLS clubs in the video. I remember listening to a BBC World Service article one night about how Seattle Sounders FC had already turned a profit before they'd even kicked a ball in anger in their debut season in 2009, mostly due to having the largest season-ticket base in the league's history up to that point. Being in a salary-capped league where an entire team's payroll for the season (excluding the that limited number of Designated Player salaries each team has access to, allowing them to sign star players) is still about USD$5mn doesn't hurt either. That said, the fuzzy logic and arcane mathematics that go into determining profit/loss in MLS (not to mention the rest of the major North American pro-sports leagues) and the bizarre world of Allocation Money (aka Garberbucks) within MLS, and how clubs use differing types of Allocation Money to pay players and acquire them from other clubs - might be worth a video of its own, albeit at the risk of Alfie's sanity.
But they aren't a club. They are a franchise. And the money they generate goes straight to the MLS. Player's, for example, don't sign with a franchise but with the MLS. But every franchise, like you said, has the right to sign up to three s.c. _"designated players"._ Like Galaxy did with Beckham. You're right! That's a great topic to cover. And I think Alfie will pick it up eventually...
i live in seattle. can confirm absolutwely everything you said. The sounders have a ridicuously over loyal fanbase, who will spend fourtunes on tickets and merchandise3 even throught imes of bad management and owner disrespect
@@yannick245 sorry to old comment you, but Sounders are sorta an exception to this. Due to some maneuvering when we joined the league from the lower division, and the fact that one of our owners is just a chill dude and insisted, we actually do have real member democracy. Season members get binding voting powers on decisions as important as general manager, as well as many other things. That’s more actual power than a lot of big money backed European clubs. Considering even our sports federation explicitly disallows community ownership above a small threshold in the professional divisions, sounders are the only other club with community democracy in the US outside of the Greenbay packers who are grandfathered in. The exception that proves the rule, but still, it’s possible in MLS’s weird single entity system. It’s less mls specifically, and more the entire structure of US sports that are at fault here.
I wonder how much being in an non relegation system effects things. Primarily not having a safe net for a really bad year. I imagine it would encourage deeper rosters and the higher spending that comes with it, as the cost of major injuries to key players is higher than just a bad season.
Ya Tottenham are a great club in terms of business. But as a fan it’s impossibly frustrating not to see any of that money put back into the squad or recruitment. I mean the new stadium is great and all but ffs can we please put some of that investment into the team?
What is happening i think the big 3 Is playing bad and team like galastray fenerebehace was once most profitable and highest revenue teams in the world and reach champions league knockout stage and now they can't reach Europa league knock out stage and trabzonspor is 1st in the league a non Istanbul team
Well shitty economy, terribly-ran clubs and horrendous worth loss of Turkish Lira are happening in Turkish league rn so to say.(pardon my horrible english tho)
Love that my top three favorite football clubs were placed in the top three on this list in my exact order of preference. A nice reminder that they won't be financially tanking anytime soon. Great video 👍
Please do a video about the Portuguese 'club' , 'Belenenses SAD' , that recently went to a game with only 9 players against Benfica .Its a 'fake' club playing in the First League , but the 'Original' club had to start in the Non League Portuguese Football .
Really enjoyed the video. I reckon Man City in the years to come will be up there, if they continue to dominate in England and get their hands on a champions league. Their commercial value will grow, as I think their popularity among younger generations will be large if the success on the pitch continues, and considering how well run the club is, I’m pretty sure it will.
Alfie Can you do a documentary on the afc Wimbledon on the nine promotions in eleven years, how they’re a fan own club and how they have a stadium in plough lane now. The story of they lost the club, how the F A allowed that and won’t allow that anymore. How they were very close to moving to ireland How they went up the English football leagues. It would be a good documentary video if you can do this. #thepeopleschannel
@@FozzQuaker for this one i didn’t catch it at 9 am, the last few including the release clause video i was able to Go like that video comment in release clause video pls His team Hull city sacked manager and have new owners i expect he will make a video on that soon And derby county are a mess Could he make a video on how football clubs are run, how does a football club go into administration and liquidated type of video. Good to talk man Like I said I don’t spam him everyday
I fully agree with all these respective inclusions of these respectice footballing clubs and Bayern Munich have been extremely so smart in terms of recruiting the respective players and offloading the respective players whom they would not need to utilise correctly to balance their finance which is extremely so appreciatable daily and ever,good friends!!!:-D
And to think Florentino Perez said they were “losing money” yet in a season where pretty much everyone lost huge they still are in the black… as for Bayern all that money on top of paying off the Allianz Arena entirely in about a decade
For such a new expensive stadium, I'm not sure why Tottenham's stadium didn't seem to have heating equipment to keep the pitch from freezing over a month ago.
Glad you got the worst of the examples out the way first. It was more fun when we were on the verge of going broke and had ultras kicking heads in every week tbh. Less morally ambigious too.
How about Benfica? They were in debt but sold many players with good price, or Shakhtar? And Spanish Huesca was 2-3 years ago? a club with no debt, i don´t know now but i assume they make so kind of profit or at least + - 0 breaking point.
You should a video on Hakan Sukur...from Turkish legend to Uber driver in New York because he was accused by Erdogan to be a complice in a state coup...
I don't know why you would expect them to be profitable. Since the French TV deal collapsed, which is a catastrophe by itself, let alone along with covid, I expect every single French club to be in the red, except maybe PSG.
@@andrew7taylor The reason I expected it is that ever since the club folded back in the early 90s, they've been an example of stability in the balance sheet
This was a great Video! But you missed once. how could you not at least put dortmund into your honorable mentions? To me, if you go by financially run and profitable Dortmund is the third best managed club in the world
would claim that it’s not that surprising they’re profitable (since they’re well known for being well run) depending on what you wanted to see in the list tho (since I was curious in surprising teams that are profitable)
Can you explain? As far as I remember the Belgian league has always been a 2nd tier league in Europe and still is, apart of the best teams that here and there managed to advance in the European cups.
In Finance consistency opens up heavy long term investments. That‘s why Bayern and Ajax are amongst the most profitable clubs because they almost automatically win the domestic title every year. If you then have well trained people in management who have knowledge about the football business it is a key for success. Bayern had two giants of the football business at the top: Hoeneß and Rummenigge. Not only were they amongst the best players of their generation, they also invested a lot in a network full of the most important contacts in football. Rummenigge was the chairman of nearly every important association and Hoeneß followed a vision for German football from his early beginnings. He therefore maintained a lot of contacts in politics. You can‘t even think about German football without Hoeneß. He is the absolute don pulling strings everywhere. On top Beckenbauer played also a big part in Bayern’s success. Florentino Perez acts in a same way. Maybe that‘s why Bayern and Real have such a good relationship although being fierce competitors.
Bayern always win the league, Ajax dont. They won it 3 times in the last 6 years. PSV, Feyenoord and AZ Alkmaar can still win it. Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig cant.
If you’re winning, you’re gonna get attention, attention can be used for branding and you can turn that it to higher dividends. It can be an indirectly source of earning money… but it shouldn’t really be the goal, because if you’re focusing on earning money, you most likely handicap you ability to compete and that’ll lose you money on the long run. In sport.. win, win, win or punch above your weight.
Football clubs should neither be profitable nor be making losses that or covered by owners imo. All money that a club generates should stay within the club, but no external money should really be put into a club except when it is absolutely necessary to keep it alive. They should be run in a sustainable way and not as a business ventures or as a toy for owners.
@@Colt-eq1vm clubs should be owned by the fans and the community that they serve, not by individuals, that‘s the definition of a „club“. Most „clubs“ nowadays are not clubs in a traditional way but jist businesses.
@@leolo1613 so fans should take trips around Europe scout players negotiate contracts and take care of the whole economy you do know that at the end of the day those fans you put in charge would just do the same things the owners do
That'll work for big teams, however, what happens to clubs starting up? They'll almost always run at a loss. Also, what if a club is run horribly and ends up in debt, take derby for example, with no outside funds they clubs would die. Do the fans deserve that? I do think FFP should have a completely new look and be enforced so growth is more natural, however no outside investment is an impossible task. Also, with all revenue being reinvested means the owners receive no income from it. Running a club takes a great amount of work and is no different from running apple, Google etc. They 100% deserve a healthy wage
@@Colt-eq1vm I didn‘t say that fans should RUN the day-to-day business of the club, I said that they should OWN it, like it is done in Germany, not that hard to understand is it?
The rest of the Bundesliga, especially capital club Hertha BSC, 2nd city giants HSV and Dortmund should learn from Bayern on how to grow organically on and off the pitch! 🇩🇪
Bayern also raids all the best players in Germany to kill all competition within the Bundesliga. It's easy to do it that way when no one else can compete...
@@yannick245 I don't believe it's a conscious decision to pick the best Germans. Many of them dream of playing for Bayern as they would tell. But I agree that they're the backbone of the Nationalmannschaft
I'm pretty sure Bayern also saved Dortmund from bankruptcy in 2003. Bayern loaned them 2 million euros after they were struggling financially. Let's be honest tho, Bayern would dominate every league in world football as well if they wanted to
Was a little surprised to see Tottenham was in so much debt but I guess they financed that new stadium entirely on their own and someone has to foot the bill?
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 266) I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored. If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
To make a video about the profit of clubs but not mentioning and considering their debts at the same time, is somehow pointless in my opinion. Most clubs mentioned, are in deep debt (Real over a billion)..
Just a little headsup. In the eredivise it isnt a top 1 and then a top 2, Feyenoord has the same revenue as PSV has. Only they have less spending room due to high costs and loans. But in revenue they almost got the same as PSV. Budget: Ajax 160 m PSV 85 m feyenoord 65 m az 27,5 m
Yet other teams who seemingly dominate their leagues manage to always let it slip somehow, while bayern don't. Add to that the fact that the bottom PL teams get more TV money than bayern and it is extremely impressive. And the transfer record speaks for itself. Roma spent more on players in the past decade where bayern isn't even in the top 10 in Europe for spending while consistently going far in the CL
It's called consistency. It's not our fault if dortmund are so stupid to sell their best players and stumble on smaller teams. Don't accuse bayern of doing their job and win games when other big German teams fuck up all the time.
Hey Alfie, Video Idea. If newcastles new owners are attempting to "sportswash" their reputation and exert soft power, I thought it would be interesting to explore how that has been an absolutely horrific and embarrassing failure as, since they took over in October, the amount of coverage of the Saudi human rights issues and questions over their ownership of this or any other business has never ever been discussed as much as in the last 3 months. You could extend the video into how sportswashing has never ever worked and therefore isn't a thing. After all it didn't work for the Nazis in 1936, or the Russian Olympics, or the quatari world Cup or the world cup+Olympics in Brazil. In fact huge sporting events and ownership over sports franchises tends to INCREASE visibility of a countries or companies more shady and/or immoral practices. By extension you can discuss how, considering that sportswashing has never ever worked and so isn't a thing, you can talk about just how mindnumbingly stupid you think the Saudis are for thinking it would work this time. Wow they must be very very dumb.
Everyone think they are dumb until they make a profit out of it. Although my country has administration issues, when gulf businessmen made investments, we thought they are dumb until paid back double the amount. They exploited it at an epic scale without any remorse.
@@Verhen_n I agree. I don't think they are stupid at all. They know they'll make money out of this in the long run. Even if the spend a billion they will make money in the end even if its of side deals and doors that are opened to them because of owning the club. I don't think they give 2 hoots about their reputation it's all about money.
Why would they care about their reputation at all when they already know how heinous they can be and still get plenty of business deals with our "morally superior" parts of the world?
So that might be for the Premier league??but in the Bundesliga a club that isn't profitable....cant really sustain first league play for an extended time. So OF COURSE there are teams that have had financial troubles in the BUndesliga BUT these also fell OUT of the Bundesliga quite fast BECAUSE of that fact? so i don't recall get this videos purpose? Because actually most Football clubs in the first league in the Bundesliga per example are and Always WERE profitable?
Watch out deluded Saudi United fans will cry foul about ever talking positive about their clubs villain (eventhough there’s a reason they were profitable…)
Please let me be your script editor. Your videos have great information but the pacing drags it down. The intro for this video was almost two minutes. Interesting facts, but it starts your video off so slowly and never picks up. Your amazing research is let down by the lack of enthusiasm and energy. It ends up feeling like you're just reading out of a textbook. The same information can be more compelling if it feels like a well informed, passionate narrative from the person sitting next to you at the pub instead of the same information being read to you. All that being said I ment no insult or disrespect, I just believe you have the ability to make more compelling videos.
Sorry you mentioned MLS teams but didn't say FC DALLAS?! We are essentially the Ajax of the US! Look at our players out compared to our spending! I know it's not popular for Dallas to be a thing, but given this video, FUCKIN COME ON!
I don't where you are getting your information from but until the takeover by Alk, Burnley were the only professional profitable club without any debts for 4 or years, in Europe and possibly the world. They have the cups presented to the club still. The Leveraged buy out by Alk using the clubs own money (£42 million) plunged the club deep in the mire of what could be an unpayable debt. The greed of the previous owner who claimed to be a fan means he has taken £80 millions for himself, which could bankrupt the club. A decline both on and off the pitch has begun due to current managers stubbornness and lack of tactical nous and the sheer greed of the owners and shareholders. Do a video on that, mate and make sure you get tour facts right if you do. The decline has begun, but when will it end?
In Germany there is also Sc Freiburg, constantly making profits…
Awesome club…
Sincerely a completely unbiased Freiburg fan
Christian streich is an absolute chad
@@idontexist1681 you can't not love the guy. Definition of authentic
WALZER TANZEN WIIIR
in 3rd league there is WEHEN WIESBADEN a much better club making profit !!!!
-sincerely a Wehen Fan
New stadium Freiburg have 😊
do you now that bayern has kept a profit for 27 consecutive years, got loan for their stadium and paid it in full 16 years before the due date which is crazy for a team as big as bayern.
Bayern also helped save Dortmund when they were in financial trouble.
@@mancuniangamecat8288 when?
Also the fact that the 50+1 rule have always been in their favour as long as they maintain popularity with the fans they will be in profit.
@@mancuniangamecat8288 na tell me. You seem to be a mister know all.
cost their leaguecreates amonopoly that suits them
I'm glad to see that Atalanta at least got a mention, such a well run club with one of the best scouting and youth sectors in Europe.
Making good investments on Youth can give the best profits for the club!
With young quality players you build something better then hyped up stars who are corrupted by fame!
I think stars should invest more in having a coach in how to staying sane!
It would also be good for youth to do tasks at farms or in handwork because Handwork is good for to learn how to control your body and to be sane!
Bayern is literal definition of super club. Huge fan base, successful, top notch infrastructure and profitable on top of that, people tend to overlook how huge they actually are
Who overlooks a club that plays in the UCL quarterfinals basically every year, and four finals since 2010? They rank #1 at the UEFA club coefficients. They also have a rich history. I think no one _"overlooks"_ them.
@@yannick245 no one overlooks Bayern for the last 50 years, since the 70s.
@@tomerbauer Like I said...
@@yannick245 yes totally. Sorry, I meant to reply to OP.
"If you think about it hard enough. Everything is pointless, really, isn't it?" - Alfie (true nihilist)
And he used Biden as the picture X’D
@@paskapaterson4019 A perfect representation of pointless.
Bayern should be an example for every club. Best well-run football club in the world. I've massive respect for them
An example for evading taxes and illegally earning TV money and getting away with a few other things, too. Really great.
@@Loxley81 you have no evidence
@@downnice95 it's enough that the DFB and the court had/have the evidence. ;)
@@Loxley81 Evading taxes?! Uli H did that personally, it didn't involve the club at all. The TV rights thing is also BS - they take way less than they generate for the league.
Overall it's a fairly ethical club and they have often helped out other clubs that were threatened by bankruptcy - they even bailed out Dortmund.
@@PaddyHerrlinger Yes, it also included players of the club, which could be persuaded to join Bayern more easily. As Hoeneß submitted the documents so lately, they could not use all of the evidence, but it was mentioned. Part of the evidence was too old - Hoeneß did that since the 80s - at least.
"The TV rights thing is also BS - they take way less than they generate for the league."
How do you know? I assume that's just your personal estimation, right?
It was no BS. The DFB just did not want to lose their top team, that's all. They were too big to fail - or rather too big to be punished.
"and they have often helped out other clubs that were threatened by bankruptcy - they even bailed out Dortmund."
Now THAT is some serious BS. They loaned 1 or 2 mio. EUR - and Dortmund had more than 100/150 Mio. EUR of debts.
The loan was very short-termed.
Bayern took a very high interest rate.
Bayern also got the commitment that Dortmund would sell them Frings for a relatively low price.
It's always the same fairy tale that is perpetrated by Hoeneß himself...
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I think an important part for Bayern to point out as well is they paid off the loan for their stadium 16 1/2 years early. So no albatross around their neck like some clubs stadium situations
Hey Alfie, can you make a video on the idea of playing B teams in the lower divisions of England. Just like it is Spain with Barcelona B, Real Sociedad B or in Germany. Would be better for player development or it would kill the passion of the lower leagues?
I would hate that idea. It just saturates lower leagues with second teams and reserve players. If we want to promote player development, we should have dedicated reserve leagues (Also that's a good video suggestion)
It would kill football and would never ever happen in England
Why woukd it kill football? Honest question.
Because we have a strong pyramid of ten levels already. Who will decide what clubs leave and what don't. Who decides which B teams get in. I don't think it's a good idea anywhere but with such a strong pyramid structure, England is the last place it will work
@@kieronparr3403 I agree. It works in the dutch leagues bcz its a closed structure and otherwise we only have 16 teams
It would be interesting to see another what on earth is going on video this time focusing on saint etienne. They are a big club with an illustrious history, winning league titles season after season yet find themselves embroiled in a relegation battle this season.
I'm not Dutch, but respect for saying Ajax the way it is supposed to be pronounced.
Comments section be like : " do a video on which Malaysian 2nd tier side has the nicest cheese in their canteen"
Tbh I’d rather hear about Malaysian teams than man United etc
Writing suggestions is not profitable for me, however I will still do it.
Day 16: Top 7 second/amateur teams in football
(Hertha BSC II which almost won the DFB Pokal, Real Madrid Castilla who lost to their first team in the spanish cup in 1980 but got into Europe)
Interesting
There’s a saying going on these past few years, that Ajax is becoming the Bayern Munchen of the Netherlands.
Good Joke, they already are.
@@DaroriDerEinzige nah, we aren’t dominant enough in the league
Well wasn't it the stated goal of Overmars that started that meme?
@@Yusuf-yo1tp You've literally five more National Championships than we've and the same amount of national Cups, while we most certainly wont win the Cup this year ;D
I mean I would argue that the Bundesliga is slightly more difficult to win than the Netherland League although that's simple theoretical and you could easily argue against that.
Sure thing, Bayern had a good run the last 10 years, but Ajax had similar runs in the past.
The issue of the BVB is the infrastructure & management - both results of the "We becomin' Real Madrid!"-Dreams of the early 2000's, for an example.
And RB Leipzig needs also some time.
I don't know name of other Netherland clubs but i certainly knew about Ajax from long time ago . Hence it proves they are already Bayern Munich of Netherland .
Nice to mention the "profitable" MLS clubs in the video. I remember listening to a BBC World Service article one night about how Seattle Sounders FC had already turned a profit before they'd even kicked a ball in anger in their debut season in 2009, mostly due to having the largest season-ticket base in the league's history up to that point. Being in a salary-capped league where an entire team's payroll for the season (excluding the that limited number of Designated Player salaries each team has access to, allowing them to sign star players) is still about USD$5mn doesn't hurt either.
That said, the fuzzy logic and arcane mathematics that go into determining profit/loss in MLS (not to mention the rest of the major North American pro-sports leagues) and the bizarre world of Allocation Money (aka Garberbucks) within MLS, and how clubs use differing types of Allocation Money to pay players and acquire them from other clubs - might be worth a video of its own, albeit at the risk of Alfie's sanity.
But they aren't a club. They are a franchise. And the money they generate goes straight to the MLS. Player's, for example, don't sign with a franchise but with the MLS.
But every franchise, like you said, has the right to sign up to three s.c. _"designated players"._ Like Galaxy did with Beckham.
You're right! That's a great topic to cover.
And I think Alfie will pick it up eventually...
i live in seattle. can confirm absolutwely everything you said. The sounders have a ridicuously over loyal fanbase, who will spend fourtunes on tickets and merchandise3 even throught imes of bad management and owner disrespect
@@yannick245 that's why I said that a video on this topic would pose a risk to Alfie's sanity.
@@yannick245 sorry to old comment you, but Sounders are sorta an exception to this. Due to some maneuvering when we joined the league from the lower division, and the fact that one of our owners is just a chill dude and insisted, we actually do have real member democracy. Season members get binding voting powers on decisions as important as general manager, as well as many other things. That’s more actual power than a lot of big money backed European clubs. Considering even our sports federation explicitly disallows community ownership above a small threshold in the professional divisions, sounders are the only other club with community democracy in the US outside of the Greenbay packers who are grandfathered in.
The exception that proves the rule, but still, it’s possible in MLS’s weird single entity system. It’s less mls specifically, and more the entire structure of US sports that are at fault here.
I wonder how much being in an non relegation system effects things. Primarily not having a safe net for a really bad year.
I imagine it would encourage deeper rosters and the higher spending that comes with it, as the cost of major injuries to key players is higher than just a bad season.
That dig at 1:11 made my day.
Ya Tottenham are a great club in terms of business. But as a fan it’s impossibly frustrating not to see any of that money put back into the squad or recruitment.
I mean the new stadium is great and all but ffs can we please put some of that investment into the team?
Ikr
So glad you could shout out ATL for me! Now, will you make that Sub-Saharan Africa-based Best XI video, pretty please?
What is going on in the Turkish Super Liga please 🙂
What is happening i think the big 3 Is playing bad and team like galastray fenerebehace was once most profitable and highest revenue teams in the world and reach champions league knockout stage and now they can't reach Europa league knock out stage and trabzonspor is 1st in the league a non Istanbul team
@@muhammadsayan5468 you summed it up pretty well.
Well shitty economy, terribly-ran clubs and horrendous worth loss of Turkish Lira are happening in Turkish league rn so to say.(pardon my horrible english tho)
Hyperinflation
Love that my top three favorite football clubs were placed in the top three on this list in my exact order of preference. A nice reminder that they won't be financially tanking anytime soon. Great video 👍
Top 7 players active/all time who have never won a league title
there are tons more than 7. lol
0 trophies better
Excluding international s
Please do a video about the Portuguese 'club' , 'Belenenses SAD' , that recently went to a game with only 9 players against Benfica .Its a 'fake' club playing in the First League , but the 'Original' club had to start in the Non League Portuguese Football .
Really enjoyed the video. I reckon Man City in the years to come will be up there, if they continue to dominate in England and get their hands on a champions league. Their commercial value will grow, as I think their popularity among younger generations will be large if the success on the pitch continues, and considering how well run the club is, I’m pretty sure it will.
Could you do: 7 3-way transfers, 7 best underdog youth league runs or 7 closest league campaigns.
Thanks
Alfie Can you do a documentary on the afc Wimbledon on the nine promotions in eleven years, how they’re a fan own club and how they have a stadium in plough lane now.
The story of they lost the club, how the F A allowed that and won’t allow that anymore.
How they were very close to moving to ireland
How they went up the English football leagues.
It would be a good documentary video if you can do this. #thepeopleschannel
Still persistent I see...keep it up, and hope Alfie sees this eventually and covers it 😀😀😀
@@FozzQuaker for this one i didn’t catch it at 9 am, the last few including the release clause video i was able to
Go like that video comment in release clause video pls
His team Hull city sacked manager and have new owners i expect he will make a video on that soon
And derby county are a mess
Could he make a video on how football clubs are run, how does a football club go into administration and liquidated type of video.
Good to talk man
Like I said I don’t spam him everyday
I fully agree with all these respective inclusions of these respectice footballing clubs and Bayern Munich have been extremely so smart in terms of recruiting the respective players and offloading the respective players whom they would not need to utilise correctly to balance their finance which is extremely so appreciatable daily and ever,good friends!!!:-D
And to think Florentino Perez said they were “losing money” yet in a season where pretty much everyone lost huge they still are in the black… as for Bayern all that money on top of paying off the Allianz Arena entirely in about a decade
Even euro daily thought they were in debt
He was lying trying to get the Super League.
For such a new expensive stadium, I'm not sure why Tottenham's stadium didn't seem to have heating equipment to keep the pitch from freezing over a month ago.
Glad you got the worst of the examples out the way first. It was more fun when we were on the verge of going broke and had ultras kicking heads in every week tbh. Less morally ambigious too.
There is a team from Glasgow that play in green and white that regularly turn a profit and have little to no debt.
How about Benfica? They were in debt but sold many players with good price, or Shakhtar? And Spanish Huesca was 2-3 years ago? a club with no debt, i don´t know now but i assume they make so kind of profit or at least + - 0 breaking point.
Porto was cashing in with transfers for a decade, like no club before or after. Like Dortmund now...
Alfie did a whole video on Benfica not long ago
You should a video on Hakan Sukur...from Turkish legend to Uber driver in New York because he was accused by Erdogan to be a complice in a state coup...
I didn't know that my team (Brest) were profitable, but I should have expected it
did they gain it from other ways (haha Brest)
I don't know why you would expect them to be profitable.
Since the French TV deal collapsed, which is a catastrophe by itself, let alone along with covid, I expect every single French club to be in the red, except maybe PSG.
@@andrew7taylor The reason I expected it is that ever since the club folded back in the early 90s, they've been an example of stability in the balance sheet
This was a great Video! But you missed once. how could you not at least put dortmund into your honorable mentions? To me, if you go by financially run and profitable Dortmund is the third best managed club in the world
would claim that it’s not that surprising they’re profitable (since they’re well known for being well run)
depending on what you wanted to see in the list tho (since I was curious in surprising teams that are profitable)
@@TheCheesyNachos no its not surprising, your right. To me Bayern and Ajax were very, very obvious too tho. But they were actually a part of the video
What happened to Panathinaikos?
Video idea: 7 current longest serving players at the same club
Idea: the decline of the belgian league
Can you explain? As far as I remember the Belgian league has always been a 2nd tier league in Europe and still is, apart of the best teams that here and there managed to advance in the European cups.
Bro they have about 7 teams playing in European competition this season how have they declined
@@tomerbauer not even guaranteed UCL Groups in coming
@@DG-rb7bo bruh only 4 countries get that
Do Athletic Bilbao not make a profit Alfie. Just a question since they don't spend almost anything on players due to their transfer strategy?
Do a video on the worlds youngest club owners plz
11:54 pretty accurate pic
7 greatest premier league teams of all time
3:11 Wow she looks quite 'witchy' 😳😳😭😭
You talking about facts without numbers, miracles
In Finance consistency opens up heavy long term investments. That‘s why Bayern and Ajax are amongst the most profitable clubs because they almost automatically win the domestic title every year. If you then have well trained people in management who have knowledge about the football business it is a key for success. Bayern had two giants of the football business at the top: Hoeneß and Rummenigge. Not only were they amongst the best players of their generation, they also invested a lot in a network full of the most important contacts in football. Rummenigge was the chairman of nearly every important association and Hoeneß followed a vision for German football from his early beginnings. He therefore maintained a lot of contacts in politics. You can‘t even think about German football without Hoeneß. He is the absolute don pulling strings everywhere. On top Beckenbauer played also a big part in Bayern’s success. Florentino Perez acts in a same way. Maybe that‘s why Bayern and Real have such a good relationship although being fierce competitors.
Bayern always win the league, Ajax dont. They won it 3 times in the last 6 years.
PSV, Feyenoord and AZ Alkmaar can still win it. Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig cant.
If you’re winning, you’re gonna get attention, attention can be used for branding and you can turn that it to higher dividends. It can be an indirectly source of earning money… but it shouldn’t really be the goal, because if you’re focusing on earning money, you most likely handicap you ability to compete and that’ll lose you money on the long run. In sport.. win, win, win or punch above your weight.
can you maybe make a video about Leganes?
Football clubs should neither be profitable nor be making losses that or covered by owners imo. All money that a club generates should stay within the club, but no external money should really be put into a club except when it is absolutely necessary to keep it alive. They should be run in a sustainable way and not as a business ventures or as a toy for owners.
Why would anyone want to own a club then?
@@Colt-eq1vm clubs should be owned by the fans and the community that they serve, not by individuals, that‘s the definition of a „club“. Most „clubs“ nowadays are not clubs in a traditional way but jist businesses.
@@leolo1613 so fans should take trips around Europe scout players negotiate contracts and take care of the whole economy you do know that at the end of the day those fans you put in charge would just do the same things the owners do
That'll work for big teams, however, what happens to clubs starting up? They'll almost always run at a loss. Also, what if a club is run horribly and ends up in debt, take derby for example, with no outside funds they clubs would die. Do the fans deserve that? I do think FFP should have a completely new look and be enforced so growth is more natural, however no outside investment is an impossible task. Also, with all revenue being reinvested means the owners receive no income from it. Running a club takes a great amount of work and is no different from running apple, Google etc. They 100% deserve a healthy wage
@@Colt-eq1vm I didn‘t say that fans should RUN the day-to-day business of the club, I said that they should OWN it, like it is done in Germany, not that hard to understand is it?
Hope you learn to dance like Shota, should he be your new manager at Hull. One of my favourite ex rangers players
Also former Ajax. Shota Arvaladze. Interesting pick.
When your club gets mentioned in the honorable mentions 😎
The rest of the Bundesliga, especially capital club Hertha BSC, 2nd city giants HSV and Dortmund should learn from Bayern on how to grow organically on and off the pitch! 🇩🇪
Would love to know which teams in Scotland are actually profitable?
None, maybe St Johnstone
Surprised Sevilla didn't make the list seeing how much money they make just from monchis scouting network
Day 344: Ways to fix VAR with your suggestions
Bayern also raids all the best players in Germany to kill all competition within the Bundesliga. It's easy to do it that way when no one else can compete...
Its not easy to do...far from it. And they dont "raid" all the best bl players neither.
Lewa was free and Neuer was bought with respectable fee.
Dortmund has bought around the same players as bayern. And also every team looks to their domestic leagues for players.
It's their philosophy to assemble the best German players and be the backbone of their national team.
@@yannick245 I don't believe it's a conscious decision to pick the best Germans. Many of them dream of playing for Bayern as they would tell. But I agree that they're the backbone of the Nationalmannschaft
I'm pretty sure Bayern also saved Dortmund from bankruptcy in 2003. Bayern loaned them 2 million euros after they were struggling financially. Let's be honest tho, Bayern would dominate every league in world football as well if they wanted to
Surprised Southampton not in the mix - use to be good developing academy players into big money sales
Can you do a "whats going on at barnsley fc" video please? There is something fishy going off with the new owners
I'm surprised benfica didn't make the list due to their high transfer sales, but I guess the tv money isn't there
Thanks a lot Bartomeu
Was a little surprised to see Tottenham was in so much debt but I guess they financed that new stadium entirely on their own and someone has to foot the bill?
Tbh you can see why Roman Abrohamovich does the ruthless shit he does, he loses money if they do shit
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 266)
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
Still there?
I want you to get your vid, here's a like!
“Everything’s pointless really” - who hurt you Alfie?
after the intro I was expecting a foreign heavy list, but then more than half the list is English...
Yeah like the entire channel. Could have mentioned
Hoffenheim, AZ Alkmaar, Real Sociedad, FC Basel, Servette, Atalanta, Leverkusen etc
Its taken city years, theyve spent £1 billion in 10 years, cant win in europe and this is the first season they ever made a profit, what legends, hehe
Top 7 clubs with a cheese room
Do you have a discord?
7:45 No they don't. They spend < £140m. Manchester United spend 63% (£127m) more. Not quite "about as much"
My boys Ajax at number 2 ❌❌❌ Competing with the big boys despite not being given joke amounts of money with TV rights. Proud
Ajax should join premier league
To make a video about the profit of clubs but not mentioning and considering their debts at the same time, is somehow pointless in my opinion. Most clubs mentioned, are in deep debt (Real over a billion)..
Just a little headsup. In the eredivise it isnt a top 1 and then a top 2, Feyenoord has the same revenue as PSV has. Only they have less spending room due to high costs and loans. But in revenue they almost got the same as PSV.
Budget:
Ajax 160 m
PSV 85 m
feyenoord 65 m
az 27,5 m
Bayern Munchen will always be profitable as they own the Bundesliga. they win the league title basically 9 times every 10 years. so yeah...
Yet other teams who seemingly dominate their leagues manage to always let it slip somehow, while bayern don't. Add to that the fact that the bottom PL teams get more TV money than bayern and it is extremely impressive. And the transfer record speaks for itself. Roma spent more on players in the past decade where bayern isn't even in the top 10 in Europe for spending while consistently going far in the CL
It's called consistency. It's not our fault if dortmund are so stupid to sell their best players and stumble on smaller teams. Don't accuse bayern of doing their job and win games when other big German teams fuck up all the time.
Hey Alfie, Video Idea.
If newcastles new owners are attempting to "sportswash" their reputation and exert soft power, I thought it would be interesting to explore how that has been an absolutely horrific and embarrassing failure as, since they took over in October, the amount of coverage of the Saudi human rights issues and questions over their ownership of this or any other business has never ever been discussed as much as in the last 3 months.
You could extend the video into how sportswashing has never ever worked and therefore isn't a thing. After all it didn't work for the Nazis in 1936, or the Russian Olympics, or the quatari world Cup or the world cup+Olympics in Brazil. In fact huge sporting events and ownership over sports franchises tends to INCREASE visibility of a countries or companies more shady and/or immoral practices.
By extension you can discuss how, considering that sportswashing has never ever worked and so isn't a thing, you can talk about just how mindnumbingly stupid you think the Saudis are for thinking it would work this time. Wow they must be very very dumb.
Everyone think they are dumb until they make a profit out of it. Although my country has administration issues, when gulf businessmen made investments, we thought they are dumb until paid back double the amount. They exploited it at an epic scale without any remorse.
@@Verhen_n I agree. I don't think they are stupid at all. They know they'll make money out of this in the long run. Even if the spend a billion they will make money in the end even if its of side deals and doors that are opened to them because of owning the club. I don't think they give 2 hoots about their reputation it's all about money.
Why would they care about their reputation at all when they already know how heinous they can be and still get plenty of business deals with our "morally superior" parts of the world?
Isnt benfica also a profitable club?
Omg is that Man United I thought they were still paying for buying the worlds most expensive fridge for 82 million and then not using it!
Can we get an opposite 7 teams losing the most money
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Proves how ridiculous and greedy the European Super League was
Flamengo has a super avit for 8 years consecutivelly.
I have more ambition in my small toe than Mike Ashley ever did running Newcastle United
So that might be for the Premier league??but in the Bundesliga a club that isn't profitable....cant really sustain first league play for an extended time. So OF COURSE there are teams that have had financial troubles in the BUndesliga BUT these also fell OUT of the Bundesliga quite fast BECAUSE of that fact? so i don't recall get this videos purpose? Because actually most Football clubs in the first league in the Bundesliga per example are and Always WERE profitable?
FSG need to start spending.
Say what you want about Mike Ashley but he’s one hell of a businessman
Watch out deluded Saudi United fans will cry foul about ever talking positive about their clubs villain (eventhough there’s a reason they were profitable…)
What about the 7 biggest clubs that lost the most money
I knew Bayern would be #1 as soon as I saw the video title
Benfica?
Shame the big Manc clubs couldn't help Bury...
2:03 am I the only one who finds that one lady looking back at the camera extremely creepy ?
Please let me be your script editor. Your videos have great information but the pacing drags it down. The intro for this video was almost two minutes. Interesting facts, but it starts your video off so slowly and never picks up. Your amazing research is let down by the lack of enthusiasm and energy. It ends up feeling like you're just reading out of a textbook. The same information can be more compelling if it feels like a well informed, passionate narrative from the person sitting next to you at the pub instead of the same information being read to you. All that being said I ment no insult or disrespect, I just believe you have the ability to make more compelling videos.
Real Madrid also spent on a stadium.
Sorry you mentioned MLS teams but didn't say FC DALLAS?! We are essentially the Ajax of the US! Look at our players out compared to our spending! I know it's not popular for Dallas to be a thing, but given this video, FUCKIN COME ON!
Yay, top 5
15:17 ironic...
Football clubs aren't ran to make a profit? The Glazers would very much disagree.
I don't where you are getting your information from but until the takeover by Alk, Burnley were the only professional profitable club without any debts for 4 or years, in Europe and possibly the world. They have the cups presented to the club still. The Leveraged buy out by Alk using the clubs own money (£42 million) plunged the club deep in the mire of what could be an unpayable debt. The greed of the previous owner who claimed to be a fan means he has taken £80 millions for himself, which could bankrupt the club. A decline both on and off the pitch has begun due to current managers stubbornness and lack of tactical nous and the sheer greed of the owners and shareholders. Do a video on that, mate and make sure you get tour facts right if you do. The decline has begun, but when will it end?
the new newcastl owners are scary
Spurs is 3rd 😳
Look up who helped pay for madrids stadium upgrade...
Tottenham Hotspur as the 3rd most profitable club can't even back thier managers...I wonder why ;))
Why is Tottenham among the big six?, they don't even win the toss.
You forgot Mumbai City FC