Doug Logan from the Acts 29 network preached at Covemant Church over 12 times 9 years ago. He was not totally woke but he was on his way. Discipled directly by non other than Eric Mason in Philly.
I find it absolutely very telling that pastors like Dr.Voddie Baucham were not invited to be a part of this panel.Because he does not fit their narrative😔
Voddie was on one of their panels after the Eric Garner shooting, I think. Thabit showed up wearing a T-shirt of names of black men shot by police. Voddie had some sharp disagreement with the others which I think played out off camera mostly.
@@susanstribich7035 That's interesting. Eric Garner died after being manhandled in a chokehold by a police officer. That was years ago before Voddie was quietly disowned by the Gospel Coalition. It was excessive force but there was never any evidence of racial motivation. The motivation seemed to me to be a police officer being p***ed off by the refusal of an arrestee to cooperate.
Voddie was on a panel as was stated previously. However, it did play out on video and you can search for it on RUclips. I think it is safe to say that he was never invited on one again bc he did have a different narrative and perspective and he expressed himself and spoke so well. He raised suspicions against big Eva's narrative beyond a reasonable doubt and it wasn't received well. Voddie's book Fault Lines explains some of that in detail and he raises some excellent points and objections.
I lost all respect for Matt Chandler after he recorded his video on "white privilege". He said he never studied black history in school, and TV programs only featured white people when he was growing up. I'm eight years older than he is, and we studied black history when I was in school. I can also cite several TV programs from his childhood that featured racially diverse and predominantly black casts (some of them even aired before he was born). Is Mr. Chandler's memory that bad, or did he simply lie? Furthermore, he lives in a town that's less than 4% black. I don't think he has much business lecturing the rest of us as long as he's sitting in his lily-white ivory tower.
He is a liar like Russell Moore and the other woke evangelicals. Blacks were quite prominent on American TV before he was old enough to start first grade.
i grew up going to a particular public school and it looked much like the rest of the country - quite diverse. i, of course, had black friends, went to their houses, played with them on the weekends, etc every time i'm lecture by someone about how racist white people are, it's by someone that grew up upper middle class in a pristinely white neighborhood. i always assume they're telling on themselves
@@billybob-wx2re I attended integrated schools all my life, and because of busing, I even attended predominantly black schools for a few years (I was the only white boy in my sixth-grade class). A lot of parents quit the public schools in those days, but mine did not. They always taught me that God loves everyone regardless of their skin color or social class. When I was in seminary, I purposely joined an inner-city church because it was multiracial. I have spoken out against racism many times in my ministry, and I have always sought to reach out to people of all races. What do I have to do to prove that I'm not a racist?
John the Baptist said "He must increase, I must decrease." It seems these are saying "Jesus must decrease, black must increase." It takes the focus off of Jesus and His gospel and places it on what men are "after the flesh."
I wonder if deep down they may resent God for not choosing a black nation as His chosen people. If he had chosen Ethiopia then Jesus would have been black.
Ironically enough, the same thought could be applied to you because it is saying "Jesus must increase, and the Father must decrease". Jesus repeatedly preached that He was glorifying the Father and not Himself. Contrary to what "Christianity" believes, Jesus did _not_ teach a gospel that was centered around Himself(Mar. 1:14).
I’m a black Christian and I think this panel discussion was an absolute mess! Just for the record, NONE of these men speak for me! So unbiblical…and not at all like Christ. I refuse to be a victim.
Chandlers opening comments remind me of 2 Tim 3 “always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.”
What we are seeing in this discussion by these Black pastors is Black victimhood mentality which is from the post civil rights era and is now justified by CRT/ Woke teaching. I'm Black and became Christian in my early 20s and understand the warnings my parents told me concerning being around White people in an all white settings. My parents grew up in a time when Whites and Blacks didn't socialize at all, racism was common and segregation was the law. And my parents'warnings on how to act around Whites were well intentioned because myself, a late baby boomers it was not uncommon to attend a local school or use a local business that was segregated just a few years before and my parents had concerns. But none of these pastors lived through that period and to talk as if the US is still in the 1960s shows how blind and prideful they are. Also it shows the effects of Wokeism has had and how far they have strayed from the Gopel.
59:02 Okay here goes with my (perhaps too cynical) take: it's not a clumsy self-contradiction. It's entirely strategic*. Every well gets poisoned, except the one from which they demand you drink deeply (don't ask us, but for goodness' sake do not do your own research with your white lenses). The goal is not to foster greater learning or understanding, at least not in the sense you and I would recognize it. The goal is for you, the listener, to adopt a permanent posture of cringing acquiescence. The goal is for you to *preemptively* second-guess yourself and self-censor. You're supposed to feel unqualified to join in the discussion before you even voice your perspective. You're not supposed to grasp principles; you're supposed to take marching orders. "Shut up and listen" isn't even good enough. "Shut up and take up our activism," now that's more like it. *I don't necessarily mean that any of the men on the panel are conscious of this strategy. But they need not be in order for it to be successful.
Good take. In the spirit of CRT, they are trying to "flip the script" and maintain a permanent gnostic superiority. They're not seeking racial reconciliation so much as racial comeuppance.
I am no longer reformed but Jon is one of my favorite YTubers. He is gracious, kind and articulate and his argumentation against these insidious doctrines like CRT, White Privilege, and Feminism is always biblical. I take notes!
I couldn't agree more, coming from an convinced non-Calvinist. Jon is a very well informed brother who is using his gifts to humbly expose something way more important than the reformed debate. I appreciate what he does everyday!
Lee Brand was first vice-president of the Southern Baptist Convention last year. He's biracial, but he was always shut out of discussions on race because he's not "woke" enough. 😟
I’ve been teaching African history at a private Christian school and what’s so ironic about the whole “it’s a privilege to know your ancestry” narrative is that in the extended family structure in Africa, almost every single tribe knew their ancestry and related it back to a common ancestor. So if these men wanted to know where they come from, they could get a DNA test, see what region they come from in Africa, try to pin point it down to what tribe or clan, and then find their ancestry that way. So they’re just finding something to complain about to be honest. Most people don’t really know their family past their great grandfather and mother on both sides of their family . So that notion is just ridiculous.
This is America, anyone whose ancestors have been here several generations (let alone hundreds of years) is a Mutt with only a guess at ethnicity. That’s regardless of skin tone. 🤦🏻♀️
Many are still at war trying to cleanse out other tribes today. If you start blaming peoples ancestry and how it shaped the world everyone is guilty. Everyone is an ancestor of both a slave and slave holder if you go back far enough.
@@gregolson7499 Oh, but it does make a difference. I suggest you look more deeply into your past as a White man. You stand on the shoulders of such great men as Homer, Sophocles, Plato, Aristotle, Dante, Luther, and more. Get to know them. Get to know their thoughts by reading their works -- it will deepen you as a man and give you greater understanding of the privilege you enjoy based on God's sovereign choice and direction of History. There's no guilt, shame, or debt owed to any other race for all that God has accomplished in the affairs of man through the White race.
This attitude is being fomented by the powers that be. These people are pawns, along with the so called "church". Thank you Jon. I think you are uniquely qualified to address this.
Yes, this is rank conformity to the world. As John McArthur said, they aren't taking the message of the church into the world, they are bringing the world into the church.
The fact that he thinks every black Christian thinks the way as the people on stage is a problem. Why wouldn't he also invite other black christians up their to speak as well.
He know there are black Christians who express different views, and he insulted them in one video clip by saying all they are doing is sucking up to white people. It was widely interpreted as a veiled attack on Voddie Baucham. Maybe search Matt Chandler attacks Voddie.
Acts 29 is destroying the church, how can these guys share the gospel with this kind of chip on their shoulder.They keep saying read books but not once have they said read the Bible. They seem like straight up racist.
David this is all Marxist people they aren’t pastors these are tools of the left ! Academia ! The one pastor shout out his credentials PHD this and that! Christ was so humble !!! Shameful! And you are 100% correct if they read their BIBLE things would be different !
I remember watching this and that is when things began to unravel for me. The points you make, Jon, are what I was thinking as well. This is NOT a pastoral posture at all. To tell me to go do my own work? I can't ask for help from my brother or sister?!! Matt even asks later, how can we be sure we're reading something of quality? No help...go do your own work. A good teacher is ALWAYS willing to help others learn!! Always! In spite of them, I did begin to read more black history more than I have in the past. I am a history teacher and knew it would definitely be helpful. Glad I did! That's when I found Booker T. Washington, uh...his narrative, his story didn't match MLK50 or this panel's...even Frederick Douglas' story! This is a quote that I summarize and share with my students and parents at the beginning of school. I want them to understand there is no way we can cover it all! No way, BUT if you want some specific information about a specific time in history, come ask me and I'll gladly point you and your child in the right direction...C.S. Lewis’ essay “Historicism”…"Imagine that every single moment of “lived time” is like a drop of water. If that were true, then it follows the “the past…in its reality, was a roaring cataract of billions upon billions of such moments; any one of them too complex to grasp in its entirety, and the aggregate beyond all imagination.” …imagine standing by the water’s edge with your arm outstretched, a Dixie cup in hand. If that wall of water plummeting downward is analogous to “the past” in its near-infinite totality then the drops that that you capture in your paper cup represent history, i.e., all that we can claim to recall and comprehend of those “billions upon billions” of moments…Try as we may, we can catch but a fraction of that crashing cataract; the rest “falls off the world into total oblivion.”
2 verses come to mind. 1 John 3:15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. Romans 16:17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
I'm 59 and I don't remember what I was taught in US History class in high school. I got a minor in history along with a business/accounting degree. I remember some of the content of these classes, but I was more fixated on Roman history because I became a Christian not long before attending university. I remember some of the US History content from university..the professor was very good. I remember that he thought it was ironic that hippie children of the 1960's had all this free time to be indigent and criticize their materialistic parents only due to their affluence made possible by these materialistic parents. That has always stuck with me. These critics are able to opine away with Neo-Marxist lens only due to their capitalistic parents who worked hard to build up the means to allow socialist professors to educate them into this woke nonsense.
In the documentary "Berkeley in the Sixties" (1990), one of those former student protesters looks back and admits that they were the children of privilege but had convinced themselves that they were a horribly oppressed minority.
And can only speak out eg against war because of those who died far away to preserve the unique traditions of Western civilisation and the ancient liberties of English speaking peoples.
What is Acts 29? It is obviously some sort of organisation that claims to be continuing where the book of Acts stops at Acts 28, but that could mean almost anything. (And I have to say I am predisposed to be wary of any group that thinks it clever or humorous or thought-provoking to give itself a name that implies it is adding a new chapter to scripture!)
I'm African and it's so sad to see how these narrative has caught on in my country. My tribe has been very welcoming to Christianity since it came to our people, but with this narrative, young men especially are going back to the gods of their ancestors(gods that their parents never knew).
If we're not in a position to understand, then why bother. Always trying to learn but never actually learning, that sounds like hell, and sounds like a certain Bible verse. That's a curse. And as you pointed out: you can't critique or contradict what you're about to hear. Ah, ok, so - it's a mind stopping device.
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death. This is a panel trying to propagate worldly sorrow. “Do the work”.
On the 3/5 compromise, it should be noted that the slave holding side pushed for slaves being counted whole, whereas the free states didn't think it was right to count slaves at all because counting them would increase the representation of slave states, making slave states more powerful, thus perpetuating slavery and making it more entrenched.
When I supposedly educated person makes the point that the constitution is racist on account of that compromise, it's frustrating and annoying. The woke preachers are not interested in truth. All these progressive ideologies are poisonous garbage and should not be in the church.
It started quite a while ago with the “Discipleship” movement, and has been a slow burn since. This sort of progressive movement is always slow moving.. so slow you almost can’t see it happening. It is like the Fabian’s “move slowly, strike hard”.
You have my respect for wading through this garbage. I can't do it. I made it forty-three minutes in and I had to stop the video. I grew up in a large poor white family in New Jersey during the 80's and 90's. My family came over on the boat to Ellis Island three generations earlier. We never owned any slaves. And yet all this racism toward white people was put on me for my whole childhood. It fills me with resentment and tempts me toward animosity and bitterness. I did nothing and I'm the bad guy. I can't express how angry it makes me. It is utterly unjust. It's disgusting.
@Mustache Glasses May our Saviour guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus with the peace only He can give as you trust in Him. Remember someday these pastors will have to give an account for spewing an empty philosophy that hurt race relations and all for temporal power for themselves. Do not allow yourself to be moved to anger by their foolish (idle) words. Matthew 12:36 📖 Blessings to you!
I’m not white and it makes me very angry as well. What about the white abolitionists and white civil rights supporters & their descendants? What about the Eastern Europeans that are in the US, most likely escaping Communism? This panel is so insufferable. I’m sorry you’ve had to endure that dude. Hang in there. Will be praying for you-wisdom and strength to navigate this without becoming bitter.
@@MrMixolydian7now! A white guy at a dinner party in my home was telling a black pastor in my home that he had apologized and cried for repentance for the slavery endured by a black man at a Promise Keeper's event. I couldn't believe it! I practically yelled he couldn't repent for sins he didn't commit! So sick of this crap Obama started! Tear our Nation apart so the oligarchs can rule us! Yes, I'm white!
I believe that since all of them are Pastors, someone needs to ask them an essential and simple question: "What does any of this have to do with salvation?"
To the argument of celebrating Juneteenth and NOT celebrating July the 4th I guess I would ask: "Why celebrate Juneteenth? After all, Jim Crow laws still oppressed black Americans long after that. But why celebrate the ending of those laws? Or voting rights? After all (according to this person) black Americans were still oppressed by a systemically racist policing system long after that." Or to put it another way: "Why do you celebrate your birthday? Everyone has a birthday, it's not significant. Wouldn't it be better to NOT celebrate your birthday at all, and instead celebrate the day you were reborn in Christ? Or the day you were baptized. But why celebrate that? After all, you're still a mortal being who falls short of God's standard. Maybe you should wait until you are redeemed and perfected in Christ in eternity before you celebrate anything about yourself." Point being that if you insist upon only celebrating people or nations on the condition that they've reached perfection, then you'll never celebrate anything. Or you just hypocritically celebrate at the time which the person or nation is sufficient enough to be celebrated FOR YOU. At which point, if you're setting your own subjective standard of celebration, why expect anyone, let alone everyone, to be united in celebration with you. Why consider yourself part of a national culture at all?
The implications of not being able to critic or counsel someone simply based upon their lived experience, and your own lack of the same, is absolutely counter to the sufficiency of scripture, and the power and work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. The slight shift of the rudder has sent the A29 ship off course. We say this as those who have attended multiple A29 churches, and are close with many of others.
This just about set my hair on fire! These gentleman are sitting there telling us how oppressed they are with their PhDs and master degrees. That is irrelevant! They are supposed to be man of God, preachers! No way! Anytime any group of people that claim to be servants of The Lord Jesus Chris and do not proclaim his Lord ship they are on the wrong track. These people have such a large microphone. Christians need to take over all manner of media and proclaim Jesus and God.
Genuinely curious: If we, as God's creation, can not begin to understand all Jesus went through emotionally in the garden, during His trial, physical abuse, and his death on the cross, how then can we possibly begin to understand what He did for us, enough to be thankful? That is how their theology would necessarily apply to Jesus' death and its meaning for believers, if they are consistent. So, is that what they're really saying?
Jon, I like what you said about people being conditioned to believe certain things. You made many other excellent points throughout this podcast as well. I grew up in the south (I’m 50, and left the south 30 years ago) in a state, a town, and in schools that were largely 50% black/white each. There were definitely some racist attitudes; hopefully it’s better today. I hate racism but CRT isn’t the answer. Jesus is the answer! Sadly woke pastors and churches are spreading a false gospel that can’t save. Thank you for the work you do! Blessings to you and your family.
22:30 me too Eric Mason. My undergrad was in design and media. I wanted to teach and preach though. I could have and have done much outside of seminary, from reading, my podcast, and many other things. But I got a master's in biblical studies to show my degree and how I did the work, even though much of my degree was things I already knew. EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS!
I’ve seen clips off this before, but some I had not heard yet. It’s disgusting. Do these guys ever think of anything else besides what color they are and how everyone else owes them something? Ugh.
He starts out saying “I don’t endorse this” rather than “I condemn this wicked perspective as sinful” and then admits to being SHAPED by his mother’s prejudice and then claims it to be true. He allowed his mother to shape his reality.
Thank you Jon for calling out this liberal ignorance. It is sad to hear an unworthy theme from this panel of pastors and as others have said, a waste of time to have to hear it for ourselves. Thanks for wading through their "victim" testimonies and providing good analysis.
The appetites are all messed up. They believe having something equals being something. Thx Edward Bernays. My grandmother, (intense, cluster "B" type) wanted degrees to be "respected" but it was at the core primarily for power and to dominate. Power through victimhood is a power move as well. Think of Ted Bundy pretending to be injured to get his marks in a vulnerable position.
My husband and I live in Southern CA. We love our church! It's solid. Even so, we are seriously considering retiring in a less expensive and more conservative state. However! I can't find any churches in any of the places I might want to move. All of the websites have SO many red flags. How do we find a good church in this day and age. Its so frustrating!
Visit Bible churches, with ‘bible church’ in the name. I’ve experienced friendly, genuine people, and good solid teaching in the pulpit. I’m sure there are exceptions though.
This panel is an excellent example of the catch-22 that Critical Theory puts people in: you don't/CAN'T know anything about being [insert oppressed group here], and need to listen (which means agree, by the way) and learn (which means do not question) from whichever [insert oppressed group here] is being discussed. At the same time, you may not ask any questions of anyone, but are supposed to figure it out yourself. Here, they tell you to research it yourself. I'll just add, by the way, that this is what Doug Wilson and his co author did and found those primary sources that showed that SOME (and no one is saying all!) former slaves had a good relationship with their masters. So...if you research and find sources/info they don't like, then you're in double trouble. But I digress... back to the catch-22...this sets up a d***ed if you do, d***ed if you don't scenario. You listen, you agree, you do not question, you want to improve and "be better!" but if in your research you actually ask a real live person a question, you're back in the dog house, you haven't improved a jot, start over. In other words, you cannot win, you will never improve. This is baked into Critical Theory. I'm not saying these men and others who have bought into this thinking realize this component of CT and are purposefully trying to "catch-22" others. I have no idea of their motives and cannot read their hearts. But this is the practical outcome of this way of thinking. I've been wondering for awhile...if we are truly going to go back to encoding racism into our laws by prioritizing people of color over whites, which will result in whites being "oppressed" and people of color being "privileged," at what point will it be the whites turn to be "centered" and "listened to" and the laws changed again? This is ridiculous. Let us remember the message of MLK: judge not by the color of the skin but the content of the character. And also the Biblical teaching that God created people and "it was very good" and every language, tribe and nation will be worshiping Him before the throne! And by our constitution, which is all are equal under the law. I really hope we don't regress back to "guilt by skin color." Please, Lord, may we not regress back into that evil.
Standpoint epistemology. We’re clobbered over the head with this at work. “Only those occupying a particular intersectionality are qualify to speak up about it since they have lived experience.”
I’ll never forget my female boss weeping and telling a story of how an officer checked on her while parked in a parking lot. She was crying because if she had been black, the officer wouldn’t have checked or would’ve suspected wrong doing. Of course this notion was only her suspicion- completely made up in her head, yet she was crying like she had actually witnessed some act of racism. Afterwords everyone practically applauded. It was absolutely mind blowing. The gentleman with the ‘lake house’ story is doing something similar. He is treating an experience where nothing racist happened (the opposite actually) as though something racist actually did happen because he was taught to see the possibility of racism as actual racism.
We are told by Scripture to place everything we hear by anyone through the rigors of God's Word and then come to the right conclusion after this. Anyone saying otherwise, whether in the pulpit or in the pew, is incorrect. Thank you for bringing these things to light; so many don't know or see what some of these professing "Christians" are doing and saying in our churches in this country, and probably in the western world at large.
I hope that Christians listening to this will be motivated to study the Bible on there own because this is not the gospel. The gospel is the good news that God came to save people who didn’t love God with all there heart and did not love their neighbor as much as they loved themself. But because God loved them. He sent His only Son to live a perfect life of love and die a propitious death to reconcile us who believe to an offended God. The Bible says that the world is not going to love you if you are a Christian and it doesn’t take a doctor of theology to know that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is one and I do at times feel guilt for not loving my neighbor as much as I love myself. I do feel some guilt at times for not studying the Bible but not any for not studying the history of any people group. I am in my sixties now and been attending church regularly for almost 40 years and it is becoming irrelevant to me what baby Christians think. To me this panel sounds like baby Christians at best.
56:29 "And don't ask us for evidence of what we're accusing you of. Go and find the evidence yourself." I'm very suspicious. People say things like that when they haven't got any evidence, and they hope you will be too afraid to look in case the accusation is true. Well, it's not.
Regarding the disdain displayed for providing a "bibliography.." #1) It isn't there. Even the books they would reference don't provide evidence, and they seem to be aware of that, on some level. It's a matter of saying, essentially: "Trust me. I'm a victim, and you are rude for asking me to prove it." The gentlemen on that panel never endured slavery, likely never endured Jim Crow, and they were the enormous beneficiaries of a country anxious to end racism. #2) Reason and proof are frowned on by critical race theory. "Logic is a tool of the patriarchy." Facts are annoying to the typical social justice warrior. #3) They may not be believers. They may never have humbled themselves before the Cross. This peevish unwillingness to prove their case, for brothers, and -- indeed -- to insist that a false case be accepted as fact doesn't speak well to the issue of demonstrated regeneration.
The most insidious aspect of all this is that they adopt a black "culture" that is just intrinsic because of their skin color... "Y'all need to catch up. We've been studying you for 200 years, in your homes, raising your kids..." Ummm, what? If these gentlemen are even saved (and I have increasing doubts about it, though only God knows) they are definitively preaching a false gospel. They misconstrue 2 Corinthians 5's "ministry of reconciliation" and deliberately ignore the Paul's references to being one body. The "lived experience" crap is exactly that. Are we not new creations? Then why do you go back under law and the mantle of your old self? If you see a brother exhibit racism, call him out, rebuke him gently to keep him from sin. But assigning decades (because this DOES NOT go all the way back to slavery but simply to the beginning of the welfare state, as Thomas Sowell so eloquently points out) of disparate outcomes to "systemic racism" rather than man's fallen nature... THAT is the false gospel, false doctrine, false teaching.
You have a very charitable interpretation regarding the degree-for-respect view. To my mind, a degree-for-respect mindset is almost always indicative of the deeper worldview of the holder -- you did allude to that when saying degree-for-respect attitudes are more prevalent in people with victim mindsets. America is famous overall for being anti-intellectual, with jokes like PhD is 'piled higher and deeper', or how grad students are bums. Unfair, yes, but the dominant healthy underlying societal message is: what one can do with the knowledge one has, not how much credentials one has overall, is what really matters. In my view, many people with a degree-for-respect mentality treat a degree like a pill that will 100 percent cure something once and for all, instead of what it usually is: merely an entrance ticket to join a race. A higher degree from a better school might get you a 'pole position ' start in a such a race, but one is going to have to race, regardless. Hard. So overall the degree-for-respect attitude isn't something that should be treated with sympathy, but rather just a glaring admission that the holder is just as ignorant about the rest of the world as they perceive the world is about them. I'm not anti-college, so won't claim most of the successful people I know succeeded in spite of college, or would have done better without, rather, their overall personality and traits -- like being honest, hardworking and conscientious -- were the actual foundation of everything else.
I just learned about Resolution 9 and started looking into it. Been trying to tell others and they are like so or it doesn't say what you are saying it says. Ugh. Looking for a new church since my church is SBC
Compare these men to Darrell Harrison, Voddie Baucham. It's not skin color, it's culture. It's errant doctrinal beliefs. The race argument is simply a means of promoting the division.
This is happens when you become woke. You start seeing racism everywhere and everyone is guilt and no one is innocent. The Gospel is lost and fellowship is lost, because too busy focusing on being offended. Who would of guess that this would be the thing to bring down conservative Christian church. I just Voddie Baucham to show up and give these people a real education.
Thomas Sowell said the same thing Thomas is a black man I wish many people would listen to him And this is a person that has done a research research I believe it's about 90 plus now
Thomas Sowell is brilliant and would destroy these guys. Notice that leftists never quote Sowell. Sowell can quote facts and studies all day long. These guys can’t even quote the bible. And this is a pastors conference?
Hi, I am from California and so this racism cult I am very familiar with. Now before anyone thinks I am somehow not "qualified" to speak on this I will revisit that nonsense later. Matt doesn't even realize in his setup that he is doing what most "white" liberal-minded racist teachers do when they condescend with their superiority. Like he needed to take care of the weaker race. It isn't "privilege" it is arrogance and it comes in all skin tones depending upon how much you have bought into this actual racist way of seeing people. Chandler had to set the stage, like a teacher in high school would set the classroom, to make sure we know who are the victims in the class. That the panel is somehow ok with this astonishes me. I had a teacher try to do that very thing in a class and a young black student stood up and she flat-out said "I don't need you speaking for me." That was back in the '80s in San Jose CA. We need to identify who are the actual racists in this kind of "classroom" and realize that at this point for sure it is NOT unique to any one ethnicity. If you are white and struggle with racist thinking then repent. If you are black same deal... brown same deal... etc. All ethnicities have at some point struggled as a people to be recognized. The struggle and tragedy my family faced early on migrating from Mexico and the victories that came from that as a whole is something to be celebrated as a human strength to endure that WE ALL share as the human race.
Don't come ask us " What should I read?" Go figure that out for yourself they say. But what if I pick books you don't approve of. Is it also wrong then to read your books? Because wouldn't that be like asking you for your opinions? So you're telling people not to do what you're doing on stage? But then you go and warn people about reading things for themselves with the wrong lens. Then you come out and tell people what books to read. I'm so confused.
I’m have been a member of the Village Church in Flower Mound Texas since 2011….I did not enjoy this season of attempting racial reconciliation through “wokeness”…I will say none of this exists today though. I wouldn’t judge Acts 29 in 2022 thru a 2017 panel discussion. I was critical of Matt Chandler then. He meant well but he did not understand what he was involved in culturally. In 2017 our culture was deeply involved in “white guilt”. I rejected this narrative. It wasn’t fruitful. I admire and love all my Christian Brothers and Sisters…I joined the Village Church because at its core it was Gospel Centered how it handled every topic culturally. In this season, I believe the Church strayed away from the Gospel regarding racial reconciliation. As you remember empathy was at the forefront of this entire cultural movement disguised as loving your neighbor. It resulted in making people feel manipulated and had the opposite affect And further divided race relations if you remember. If you remember, they were Doing this in the media, colleges, And in corporations. I was disappointed this happened in the Church. Today - I am not witnessing this with Matt Chandler, the Village Church, or Acts 29 from my observations as a member. You don’t have to believe me, but I feel like I’m a reliable and critical source. Have a great day. If you want to improve race relations or simple personal relationships…you have to believe in redemption and forgiveness. You can’t have a fruitful relationship with anyone trying to make someone feel guilty of the actions of others. I believe people just want to be respected and treated with dignity. This panel was a failed attempt at racial reconciliation in my honest opinion.
so did Matt Chandler come up with this idea through Docent Group who was writing sermons for different woke pastors. My wife and live in Nicaragua and do missions. People here cannot believe some of the things they are seeing in the Southern Baptist Convention.
Matt Chandler lead not only Village Church members but many others off the woke cliff. He can't just stop doing it as if it never happened. He must repent publically and step down for his lack of discernment and distortion of the gospel. He can be forgiven but should not be leading.
@@johnbeale4164 agreed. What happens when the next big lie from the left comes? Matt Chandler seems to be very lacking in discernment, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall for the next big trick all over again, and manipulate people and call people who disagree stupid again. The fact that he said some pretty aggressive stuff, and slandered some people publicly, without ever publicly repenting and admitting he was wrong, shows that he is either at best a) lacking in humility and discernment and is too spiritually immature to be an elder or worse b) a wolf in sheep's clothing seeking to lead Christians astray who realizes he's already maximized the damage that can be done on this topic and must wait until the next opportunity comes along to exploit it. Either way, Matt Chandler has no business being a pastor, and his word, to me (and many others), means nothing. He's disqualified himself over and over.
Notice how they speak of themselves and we, or impersonally "the black man.". They want us to catch up, plural vs plural, we verses you all. It's not individuals, or plural as in the Body of Christ, and members in particular. Did Paul separate people by color? No he emphasized the unity of the early church, both Jew and Gentile, male and female are all one in Christ. Faith in Christ is our one unifying factor, are we believers in the Biblical Gospel? Hey black brother, yellow sister, red son, white girl said no Apostle ever. Jesus said we are all brothers and sisters in Him. We have an equal but high calling of God in Christ Jesus, not of this world, we are citizens of heaven. Look up to the Apostle and High Priest of our faith, take note of the great cloud of witnesses, the martyrs who willingly suffered the loss of all things for the greater excellency of knowing Christ, identifying with Him in life, in suffering, even unto death. The world was not worthy of them. To know your true eternal identity study the Scriptures and these false gospels will not be digestible to your system.
@Michael Ward The irony in using a name like "Acts 29" is that the Catholic and Protestant churches are not a continuation of the 1st century church. It's easy to tell just by comparing the basic doctrines and traditions that the Catholic and Protestant churches look nothing like the church Jesus established.
I wonder what the panel would say about Jesse Lee Peterson. On his show he recounts living in the Jim Crow era in Alabama and he tells of families being intact hard-working and not telling themselves that they are victims. I don’t agree with everything JLP says but this is his own personal lived experience.
Not tracing your lineage is not white privilege. It is Christian privilege. Anyone who has spent time on Ancestry knows that those that kept records in the past were mainly churches. Christening, baptism, birth, marriage and death records all came from the church. The government record was the census, court and military. So… nonsense again. My grandfather who lived in a one room sod roof house with 5 kid’s didn’t feel very privileged on the wind swept prairie. 1 plow. 1 horse. 1 wagon and death by Spanish Flu in 1918. His descendants worked hard to get where they are today.
I don’t know what to say, because I’m not qualified to say anything yet there are so many opportunities to comment. Has the white culture been studied for only 200 years or for 246 years (since 1776) or for 403 years (since 1619)? Did Matt Chandler’s leave of absence not happen soon enough?
Shame on these Christian men bringing these secular theories into the church, placing them along side the gospel and calling it truth. Their is nothing new under the sun. This is modern day Gnosticism. There is the truth of the gospel but there is now more knowledge you need to know to be enlightened.
Allow me to add one thing. I don't want to be an active participant in this "cancel" culture. I disagree completely with Matt Chandler in this one area and I point to another great teacher like Voddie Baucham who I stand in agreement with on these matters. Matt is my brother in the Lord and I respect him on so many other levels... so let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
John 17:3 says that eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ whom He sent. This panel has completely missed the mark in putting their focus on knowing people and their culture regardless of ethnicity.
I was there at the panel in person. I was an Acts 29 pastor at the time. This is what led to my departure from the network.
Doug Logan from the Acts 29 network preached at Covemant Church over 12 times 9 years ago. He was not totally woke but he was on his way. Discipled directly by non other than Eric Mason in Philly.
Webbon is Greatness!! Love RRM!!
Your response is to be part of Christian Nationalism (White Christian Nationalism backslash that gave us Jan 6th drama, really).
@@manutdfan348No? 🤨
@manutdfan348 Why don't we start by you telling us what nationalism is? After you do that, then tell us whats wrong with it?
I find it absolutely very telling that pastors like Dr.Voddie Baucham were not invited to be a part of this panel.Because he does not fit their narrative😔
That is ALWAYS the case with BigEva.
Voddie was on one of their panels after the Eric Garner shooting, I think. Thabit showed up wearing a T-shirt of names of black men shot by police. Voddie had some sharp disagreement with the others which I think played out off camera mostly.
@@susanstribich7035 That's interesting. Eric Garner died after being manhandled in a chokehold by a police officer. That was years ago before Voddie was quietly disowned by the Gospel Coalition. It was excessive force but there was never any evidence of racial motivation. The motivation seemed to me to be a police officer being p***ed off by the refusal of an arrestee to cooperate.
@@susanstribich7035 I was not aware of that,but I'm sure Dr.Baucham would voice his concerns quite aptly-thank you Susan for telling me😊
Voddie was on a panel as was stated previously. However, it did play out on video and you can search for it on RUclips. I think it is safe to say that he was never invited on one again bc he did have a different narrative and perspective and he expressed himself and spoke so well. He raised suspicions against big Eva's narrative beyond a reasonable doubt and it wasn't received well. Voddie's book Fault Lines explains some of that in detail and he raises some excellent points and objections.
I lost all respect for Matt Chandler after he recorded his video on "white privilege". He said he never studied black history in school, and TV programs only featured white people when he was growing up. I'm eight years older than he is, and we studied black history when I was in school. I can also cite several TV programs from his childhood that featured racially diverse and predominantly black casts (some of them even aired before he was born). Is Mr. Chandler's memory that bad, or did he simply lie? Furthermore, he lives in a town that's less than 4% black. I don't think he has much business lecturing the rest of us as long as he's sitting in his lily-white ivory tower.
"He lives in a town that's less than 4% black."
In their mating and migratory patterns, the white liberal lives like a white nationalist.
Straight up!
He is a liar like Russell Moore and the other woke evangelicals. Blacks were quite prominent on American TV before he was old enough to start first grade.
i grew up going to a particular public school and it looked much like the rest of the country - quite diverse. i, of course, had black friends, went to their houses, played with them on the weekends, etc
every time i'm lecture by someone about how racist white people are, it's by someone that grew up upper middle class in a pristinely white neighborhood. i always assume they're telling on themselves
@@billybob-wx2re I attended integrated schools all my life, and because of busing, I even attended predominantly black schools for a few years (I was the only white boy in my sixth-grade class). A lot of parents quit the public schools in those days, but mine did not. They always taught me that God loves everyone regardless of their skin color or social class. When I was in seminary, I purposely joined an inner-city church because it was multiracial. I have spoken out against racism many times in my ministry, and I have always sought to reach out to people of all races. What do I have to do to prove that I'm not a racist?
John the Baptist said "He must increase, I must decrease." It seems these are saying "Jesus must decrease, black must increase." It takes the focus off of Jesus and His gospel and places it on what men are "after the flesh."
I wonder if deep down they may resent God for not choosing a black nation as His chosen people. If he had chosen Ethiopia then Jesus would have been black.
Ironically enough, the same thought could be applied to you because it is saying "Jesus must increase, and the Father must decrease". Jesus repeatedly preached that He was glorifying the Father and not Himself. Contrary to what "Christianity" believes, Jesus did _not_ teach a gospel that was centered around Himself(Mar. 1:14).
I’m a black Christian and I think this panel discussion was an absolute mess! Just for the record, NONE of these men speak for me! So unbiblical…and not at all like Christ. I refuse to be a victim.
Chandlers opening comments remind me of 2 Tim 3 “always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.”
@ Garland of Books, You are right on point!
Left an Acts 29 church. It was so subtle and took years because it was a slow fade but praise God He called His children out to freedom.
Yes, same here.
What we are seeing in this discussion by these Black pastors is Black victimhood mentality which is from the post civil rights era and is now justified by CRT/ Woke teaching. I'm Black and became Christian in my early 20s and understand the warnings my parents told me concerning being around White people in an all white settings.
My parents grew up in a time when Whites and Blacks didn't socialize at all, racism was common and segregation was the law. And my parents'warnings on how to act around Whites were well intentioned because myself, a late baby boomers it was not uncommon to attend a local school or use a local business that was segregated just a few years before and my parents had concerns.
But none of these pastors lived through that period and to talk as if the US is still in the 1960s shows how blind and prideful they are. Also it shows the effects of Wokeism has had and how far they have strayed from the Gopel.
If you believe the Scripture, we can all trace our lineage back to Noah.
Careful not become the tower of babel type
59:02 Okay here goes with my (perhaps too cynical) take: it's not a clumsy self-contradiction. It's entirely strategic*. Every well gets poisoned, except the one from which they demand you drink deeply (don't ask us, but for goodness' sake do not do your own research with your white lenses).
The goal is not to foster greater learning or understanding, at least not in the sense you and I would recognize it. The goal is for you, the listener, to adopt a permanent posture of cringing acquiescence. The goal is for you to *preemptively* second-guess yourself and self-censor. You're supposed to feel unqualified to join in the discussion before you even voice your perspective. You're not supposed to grasp principles; you're supposed to take marching orders. "Shut up and listen" isn't even good enough. "Shut up and take up our activism," now that's more like it.
*I don't necessarily mean that any of the men on the panel are conscious of this strategy. But they need not be in order for it to be successful.
Good take. In the spirit of CRT, they are trying to "flip the script" and maintain a permanent gnostic superiority. They're not seeking racial reconciliation so much as racial comeuppance.
I am not reformed and yet, I appreciate you so much. Thank you for speaking up. I’m sick of this whole ideology. It is unbiblical!
Come to the bright side ;)
@@marebear09 sorry. I’ve studied it a lot and I’ve come to the conclusion that Calvinism is incorrect. But I respect you!
I am no longer reformed but Jon is one of my favorite YTubers. He is gracious, kind and articulate and his argumentation against these insidious doctrines like CRT, White Privilege, and Feminism is always biblical. I take notes!
@@breannawilliamson9787 Wrong. Calvinism is biblical christianity.
I couldn't agree more, coming from an convinced non-Calvinist. Jon is a very well informed brother who is using his gifts to humbly expose something way more important than the reformed debate. I appreciate what he does everyday!
Chandler should have been removed from the pastorate after this conference……..
Or maybe after his recent public sin, after which he should have stepped down voluntarily.
Just think if Voddie was on that stage. 🎉
Lee Brand was first vice-president of the Southern Baptist Convention last year. He's biracial, but he was always shut out of discussions on race because he's not "woke" enough. 😟
I thought he was for a second! I am listening to it as I cook so I wasn’t watching,
But then I realized it was Thabiti.
Super disappointing
I would never sit through a conference like this ever!
I’ve been teaching African history at a private Christian school and what’s so ironic about the whole “it’s a privilege to know your ancestry” narrative is that in the extended family structure in Africa, almost every single tribe knew their ancestry and related it back to a common ancestor. So if these men wanted to know where they come from, they could get a DNA test, see what region they come from in Africa, try to pin point it down to what tribe or clan, and then find their ancestry that way. So they’re just finding something to complain about to be honest. Most people don’t really know their family past their great grandfather and mother on both sides of their family . So that notion is just ridiculous.
The marvels of DNA -- which were developed through which ethnic group's diligence and ingenuity??
It's fun for me to know my heritage, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't make any actual difference to me in my life
This is America, anyone whose ancestors have been here several generations (let alone hundreds of years) is a Mutt with only a guess at ethnicity. That’s regardless of skin tone. 🤦🏻♀️
Many are still at war trying to cleanse out other tribes today. If you start blaming peoples ancestry and how it shaped the world everyone is guilty. Everyone is an ancestor of both a slave and slave holder if you go back far enough.
@@gregolson7499 Oh, but it does make a difference. I suggest you look more deeply into your past as a White man. You stand on the shoulders of such great men as Homer, Sophocles, Plato, Aristotle, Dante, Luther, and more. Get to know them. Get to know their thoughts by reading their works -- it will deepen you as a man and give you greater understanding of the privilege you enjoy based on God's sovereign choice and direction of History. There's no guilt, shame, or debt owed to any other race for all that God has accomplished in the affairs of man through the White race.
This is how I spoke from around the year 2000, but I then after some years I repented.
Congrats, brother. Happy to hear it! Welcome back to the Church! 😁😁🤗
This attitude is being fomented by the powers that be. These people are pawns, along with the so called "church". Thank you Jon. I think you are uniquely qualified to address this.
Yes, this is rank conformity to the world. As John McArthur said, they aren't taking the message of the church into the world, they are bringing the world into the church.
The fact that he thinks every black Christian thinks the way as the people on stage is a problem. Why wouldn't he also invite other black christians up their to speak as well.
He know there are black Christians who express different views, and he insulted them in one video clip by saying all they are doing is sucking up to white people. It was widely interpreted as a veiled attack on Voddie Baucham. Maybe search Matt Chandler attacks Voddie.
My history is pretty rusty, but of all the people groups to categorize as having "white privilege," I'm not sure I would start with the Irish.
Acts 29 is destroying the church, how can these guys share the gospel with this kind of chip on their shoulder.They keep saying read books but not once have they said read the Bible. They seem like straight up racist.
David this is all Marxist people they aren’t pastors these are tools of the left ! Academia ! The one pastor shout out his credentials PHD this and that! Christ was so humble !!! Shameful! And you are 100% correct if they read their BIBLE things would be different !
Chandler should be ashamed and repent for this reproach to the gospel.
I remember watching this and that is when things began to unravel for me. The points you make, Jon, are what I was thinking as well. This is NOT a pastoral posture at all. To tell me to go do my own work? I can't ask for help from my brother or sister?!! Matt even asks later, how can we be sure we're reading something of quality? No help...go do your own work. A good teacher is ALWAYS willing to help others learn!! Always! In spite of them, I did begin to read more black history more than I have in the past. I am a history teacher and knew it would definitely be helpful. Glad I did! That's when I found Booker T. Washington, uh...his narrative, his story didn't match MLK50 or this panel's...even Frederick Douglas' story!
This is a quote that I summarize and share with my students and parents at the beginning of school. I want them to understand there is no way we can cover it all! No way, BUT if you want some specific information about a specific time in history, come ask me and I'll gladly point you and your child in the right direction...C.S. Lewis’ essay “Historicism”…"Imagine that every single moment of “lived time” is like a drop of water. If that were true, then it follows the “the past…in its reality, was a roaring cataract of billions upon billions of such moments; any one of them too complex to grasp in its entirety, and the aggregate beyond all imagination.” …imagine standing by the water’s edge with your arm outstretched, a Dixie cup in hand. If that wall of water plummeting downward is analogous to “the past” in its near-infinite totality then the drops that that you capture in your paper cup represent history, i.e., all that we can claim to recall and comprehend of those “billions upon billions” of moments…Try as we may, we can catch but a fraction of that crashing cataract; the rest “falls off the world into total oblivion.”
Man brother Jon, this is a great analysis of our current situation 👏
2 verses come to mind.
1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
2 bangers! The verse following the first one is my favourite.
They all need a Degree from Dr. Voddie Baucham!
I think it would be for the best if the current eclipse of Matt Chandler is lasting and Acts 29 dissolves.
I'm 59 and I don't remember what I was taught in US History class in high school. I got a minor in history along with a business/accounting degree. I remember some of the content of these classes, but I was more fixated on Roman history because I became a Christian not long before attending university. I remember some of the US History content from university..the professor was very good. I remember that he thought it was ironic that hippie children of the 1960's had all this free time to be indigent and criticize their materialistic parents only due to their affluence made possible by these materialistic parents. That has always stuck with me. These critics are able to opine away with Neo-Marxist lens only due to their capitalistic parents who worked hard to build up the means to allow socialist professors to educate them into this woke nonsense.
In the documentary "Berkeley in the Sixties" (1990), one of those former student protesters looks back and admits that they were the children of privilege but had convinced themselves that they were a horribly oppressed minority.
@@orbyfan Thanks for the info...will watch the documentary.
And can only speak out eg against war because of those who died far away to preserve the unique traditions of Western civilisation and the ancient liberties of English speaking peoples.
What is Acts 29? It is obviously some sort of organisation that claims to be continuing where the book of Acts stops at Acts 28, but that could mean almost anything. (And I have to say I am predisposed to be wary of any group that thinks it clever or humorous or thought-provoking to give itself a name that implies it is adding a new chapter to scripture!)
Brother Jon… thank you, thank you so much for your work. Truly am blessed with every video you put out. 🙏🏼
I remember when this started at Summit-JD Greear’s church. All of a sudden skin color mattered more.
Do you know if Doug Wilson is considered "woke"?
@@cat-bg3rv definitely not woke!
@@katherinecornette5315 Thank you. I do not know most of the names mentioned in Jon's conversations but have heard of some like Tim Keller.
I'm African and it's so sad to see how these narrative has caught on in my country. My tribe has been very welcoming to Christianity since it came to our people, but with this narrative, young men especially are going back to the gods of their ancestors(gods that their parents never knew).
What country? How heart-breaking! I thought the church in SSA was stronger than in America! 😣🙇🏼♂️
It’s amazing how many denominations treat Jesus as an afterthought as they promote their own ideology.
Great analysis Jon, thanks for your labor!
If we're not in a position to understand, then why bother. Always trying to learn but never actually learning, that sounds like hell, and sounds like a certain Bible verse. That's a curse. And as you pointed out: you can't critique or contradict what you're about to hear. Ah, ok, so - it's a mind stopping device.
For them being pastors on stage, I'm surprised they didn't mention any Bible verses. Shouldn't Christians be using that as their final authority?
That is very true. It is telling that these guys don’t quote the bible . I think the scripture contradicts their narrative.
You'd be surprised at how little Catholics and Protestants actually base their beliefs on the Bible.
Yes, bring out the Holy scriptures please to support this narrative. 📖
The example he gives of how racism effects him is actually an example of how his mom taught him to be a racist. You can't make this stuff up.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
This is a panel trying to propagate worldly sorrow. “Do the work”.
On the 3/5 compromise, it should be noted that the slave holding side pushed for slaves being counted whole, whereas the free states didn't think it was right to count slaves at all because counting them would increase the representation of slave states, making slave states more powerful, thus perpetuating slavery and making it more entrenched.
When I supposedly educated person makes the point that the constitution is racist on account of that compromise, it's frustrating and annoying.
The woke preachers are not interested in truth. All these progressive ideologies are poisonous garbage and should not be in the church.
Bingo. No one gets this.
It started quite a while ago with the “Discipleship” movement, and has been a slow burn since. This sort of progressive movement is always slow moving.. so slow you almost can’t see it happening. It is like the Fabian’s “move slowly, strike hard”.
These five men need to get over themselves
You have my respect for wading through this garbage. I can't do it. I made it forty-three minutes in and I had to stop the video.
I grew up in a large poor white family in New Jersey during the 80's and 90's. My family came over on the boat to Ellis Island three generations earlier. We never owned any slaves. And yet all this racism toward white people was put on me for my whole childhood. It fills me with resentment and tempts me toward animosity and bitterness. I did nothing and I'm the bad guy. I can't express how angry it makes me. It is utterly unjust. It's disgusting.
Made it further than me. I lasted a whole 20 minutes
@Mustache Glasses May our Saviour guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus with the peace only He can give as you trust in Him. Remember someday these pastors will have to give an account for spewing an empty philosophy that hurt race relations and all for temporal power for themselves. Do not allow yourself to be moved to anger by their foolish (idle) words. Matthew 12:36 📖 Blessings to you!
I’m not white and it makes me very angry as well. What about the white abolitionists and white civil rights supporters & their descendants? What about the Eastern Europeans that are in the US, most likely escaping Communism? This panel is so insufferable.
I’m sorry you’ve had to endure that dude. Hang in there. Will be praying for you-wisdom and strength to navigate this without becoming bitter.
Yep I kept ffwding
@@MrMixolydian7now! A white guy at a dinner party in my home was telling a black pastor in my home that he had apologized and cried for repentance for the slavery endured by a black man at a Promise Keeper's event. I couldn't believe it! I practically yelled he couldn't repent for sins he didn't commit! So sick of this crap Obama started! Tear our Nation apart so the oligarchs can rule us! Yes, I'm white!
I believe that since all of them are Pastors, someone needs to ask them an essential and simple question: "What does any of this have to do with salvation?"
I wanted to see Voddie Baucham or Candace Owens let loose on this panel. Or even Kanye.
Matt doesn’t want to hear anything that makes sense. It would destroy the Marxist narrative they are pushing.
Thank you John.
This panel discussion was a dumpster fire, it was unhelpful. Definitely created more issues than it solved.
To the argument of celebrating Juneteenth and NOT celebrating July the 4th I guess I would ask: "Why celebrate Juneteenth? After all, Jim Crow laws still oppressed black Americans long after that. But why celebrate the ending of those laws? Or voting rights? After all (according to this person) black Americans were still oppressed by a systemically racist policing system long after that."
Or to put it another way: "Why do you celebrate your birthday? Everyone has a birthday, it's not significant. Wouldn't it be better to NOT celebrate your birthday at all, and instead celebrate the day you were reborn in Christ? Or the day you were baptized. But why celebrate that? After all, you're still a mortal being who falls short of God's standard. Maybe you should wait until you are redeemed and perfected in Christ in eternity before you celebrate anything about yourself."
Point being that if you insist upon only celebrating people or nations on the condition that they've reached perfection, then you'll never celebrate anything. Or you just hypocritically celebrate at the time which the person or nation is sufficient enough to be celebrated FOR YOU. At which point, if you're setting your own subjective standard of celebration, why expect anyone, let alone everyone, to be united in celebration with you. Why consider yourself part of a national culture at all?
Our identity should be in Christ..those who Christ set free, are free indeed
The implications of not being able to critic or counsel someone simply based upon their lived experience, and your own lack of the same, is absolutely counter to the sufficiency of scripture, and the power and work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. The slight shift of the rudder has sent the A29 ship off course. We say this as those who have attended multiple A29 churches, and are close with many of others.
Didn't Paul say no man, woman, slave, Greek (gentile) or Jew? Then there's the message of Jesus. Souls not skin colour.
This just about set my hair on fire! These gentleman are sitting there telling us how oppressed they are with their PhDs and master degrees. That is irrelevant! They are supposed to be man of God, preachers! No way! Anytime any group of people that claim to be servants of The Lord Jesus Chris and do not proclaim his Lord ship they are on the wrong track. These people have such a large microphone. Christians need to take over all manner of media and proclaim Jesus and God.
Happy Saturday, everyone!
Genuinely curious: If we, as God's creation, can not begin to understand all Jesus went through emotionally in the garden, during His trial, physical abuse, and his death on the cross, how then can we possibly begin to understand what He did for us, enough to be thankful? That is how their theology would necessarily apply to Jesus' death and its meaning for believers, if they are consistent. So, is that what they're really saying?
Then why don't they come out and just say that? The psychology in all of this is unreal!
Jon, I like what you said about people being conditioned to believe certain things. You made many other excellent points throughout this podcast as well. I grew up in the south (I’m 50, and left the south 30 years ago) in a state, a town, and in schools that were largely 50% black/white each. There were definitely some racist attitudes; hopefully it’s better today. I hate racism but CRT isn’t the answer. Jesus is the answer! Sadly woke pastors and churches are spreading a false gospel that can’t save. Thank you for the work you do! Blessings to you and your family.
YES. Racism exists, but CRT isn't the answer. Bingo. CRT is actually encoding racism back into our laws. 😪
22:30 me too Eric Mason. My undergrad was in design and media. I wanted to teach and preach though. I could have and have done much outside of seminary, from reading, my podcast, and many other things. But I got a master's in biblical studies to show my degree and how I did the work, even though much of my degree was things I already knew.
EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS!
I’ve seen clips off this before, but some I had not heard yet. It’s disgusting. Do these guys ever think of anything else besides what color they are and how everyone else owes them something? Ugh.
He starts out saying “I don’t endorse this” rather than “I condemn this wicked perspective as sinful” and then admits to being SHAPED by his mother’s prejudice and then claims it to be true. He allowed his mother to shape his reality.
Thank you Jon for calling out this liberal ignorance. It is sad to hear an unworthy theme from this panel of pastors and as others have said, a waste of time to have to hear it for ourselves. Thanks for wading through their "victim" testimonies and providing good analysis.
Guess what else is "bad pastoral care", MATT? Philandering! Adultery!
I wonder if this was a Docent Group recommendation. Isn't that the non-Christian group writing sermons.
In ministry, if you lean Left, you’ll fall Left.
The appetites are all messed up. They believe having something equals being something. Thx Edward Bernays.
My grandmother, (intense, cluster "B" type) wanted degrees to be "respected" but it was at the core primarily for power and to dominate. Power through victimhood is a power move as well. Think of Ted Bundy pretending to be injured to get his marks in a vulnerable position.
My husband and I live in Southern CA. We love our church! It's solid. Even so, we are seriously considering retiring in a less expensive and more conservative state. However! I can't find any churches in any of the places I might want to move. All of the websites have SO many red flags. How do we find a good church in this day and age. Its so frustrating!
Visit Bible churches, with ‘bible church’ in the name. I’ve experienced friendly, genuine people, and good solid teaching in the pulpit. I’m sure there are exceptions though.
There's a guy named "Redeemed Zoomer" who has a map he's made. Check it out!
This panel is an excellent example of the catch-22 that Critical Theory puts people in: you don't/CAN'T know anything about being [insert oppressed group here], and need to listen (which means agree, by the way) and learn (which means do not question) from whichever [insert oppressed group here] is being discussed. At the same time, you may not ask any questions of anyone, but are supposed to figure it out yourself. Here, they tell you to research it yourself. I'll just add, by the way, that this is what Doug Wilson and his co author did and found those primary sources that showed that SOME (and no one is saying all!) former slaves had a good relationship with their masters. So...if you research and find sources/info they don't like, then you're in double trouble. But I digress... back to the catch-22...this sets up a d***ed if you do, d***ed if you don't scenario. You listen, you agree, you do not question, you want to improve and "be better!" but if in your research you actually ask a real live person a question, you're back in the dog house, you haven't improved a jot, start over. In other words, you cannot win, you will never improve. This is baked into Critical Theory. I'm not saying these men and others who have bought into this thinking realize this component of CT and are purposefully trying to "catch-22" others. I have no idea of their motives and cannot read their hearts. But this is the practical outcome of this way of thinking.
I've been wondering for awhile...if we are truly going to go back to encoding racism into our laws by prioritizing people of color over whites, which will result in whites being "oppressed" and people of color being "privileged," at what point will it be the whites turn to be "centered" and "listened to" and the laws changed again? This is ridiculous. Let us remember the message of MLK: judge not by the color of the skin but the content of the character. And also the Biblical teaching that God created people and "it was very good" and every language, tribe and nation will be worshiping Him before the throne! And by our constitution, which is all are equal under the law. I really hope we don't regress back to "guilt by skin color." Please, Lord, may we not regress back into that evil.
It is a legitimate catch-22. You are only allowed to sit and be told by your Kommisars what "truth" is and then do as you're told.
Standpoint epistemology. We’re clobbered over the head with this at work. “Only those occupying a particular intersectionality are qualify to speak up about it since they have lived experience.”
I’ll never forget my female boss weeping and telling a story of how an officer checked on her while parked in a parking lot. She was crying because if she had been black, the officer wouldn’t have checked or would’ve suspected wrong doing. Of course this notion was only her suspicion- completely made up in her head, yet she was crying like she had actually witnessed some act of racism. Afterwords everyone practically applauded. It was absolutely mind blowing.
The gentleman with the ‘lake house’ story is doing something similar. He is treating an experience where nothing racist happened (the opposite actually) as though something racist actually did happen because he was taught to see the possibility of racism as actual racism.
Grooming for racism.
We are told by Scripture to place everything we hear by anyone through the rigors of God's Word and then come to the right conclusion after this. Anyone saying otherwise, whether in the pulpit or in the pew, is incorrect.
Thank you for bringing these things to light; so many don't know or see what some of these professing "Christians" are doing and saying in our churches in this country, and probably in the western world at large.
I'm still awaiting the biblical part...
I hope that Christians listening to this will be motivated to study the Bible on there own because this is not the gospel. The gospel is the good news that God came to save people who didn’t love God with all there heart and did not love their neighbor as much as they loved themself. But because God loved them. He sent His only Son to live a perfect life of love and die a propitious death to reconcile us who believe to an offended God. The Bible says that the world is not going to love you if you are a Christian and it doesn’t take a doctor of theology to know that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is one and I do at times feel guilt for not loving my neighbor as much as I love myself. I do feel some guilt at times for not studying the Bible but not any for not studying the history of any people group. I am in my sixties now and been attending church regularly for almost 40 years and it is becoming irrelevant to me what baby Christians think. To me this panel sounds like baby Christians at best.
56:29 "And don't ask us for evidence of what we're accusing you of. Go and find the evidence yourself." I'm very suspicious. People say things like that when they haven't got any evidence, and they hope you will be too afraid to look in case the accusation is true. Well, it's not.
Driscoll & Chandler ....nuff said
Should be entitled WOKE BINGO
Regarding the disdain displayed for providing a "bibliography.."
#1) It isn't there. Even the books they would reference don't provide evidence, and they seem to be aware of that, on some level. It's a matter of saying, essentially: "Trust me. I'm a victim, and you are rude for asking me to prove it." The gentlemen on that panel never endured slavery, likely never endured Jim Crow, and they were the enormous beneficiaries of a country anxious to end racism.
#2) Reason and proof are frowned on by critical race theory. "Logic is a tool of the patriarchy." Facts are annoying to the typical social justice warrior.
#3) They may not be believers. They may never have humbled themselves before the Cross. This peevish unwillingness to prove their case, for brothers, and -- indeed -- to insist that a false case be accepted as fact doesn't speak well to the issue of demonstrated regeneration.
The name Acts 29 always bothered me.
The most insidious aspect of all this is that they adopt a black "culture" that is just intrinsic because of their skin color... "Y'all need to catch up. We've been studying you for 200 years, in your homes, raising your kids..." Ummm, what?
If these gentlemen are even saved (and I have increasing doubts about it, though only God knows) they are definitively preaching a false gospel. They misconstrue 2 Corinthians 5's "ministry of reconciliation" and deliberately ignore the Paul's references to being one body. The "lived experience" crap is exactly that. Are we not new creations? Then why do you go back under law and the mantle of your old self?
If you see a brother exhibit racism, call him out, rebuke him gently to keep him from sin. But assigning decades (because this DOES NOT go all the way back to slavery but simply to the beginning of the welfare state, as Thomas Sowell so eloquently points out) of disparate outcomes to "systemic racism" rather than man's fallen nature... THAT is the false gospel, false doctrine, false teaching.
You have a very charitable interpretation regarding the degree-for-respect view.
To my mind, a degree-for-respect mindset is almost always indicative of the deeper worldview of the holder -- you did allude to that when saying degree-for-respect attitudes are more prevalent in people with victim mindsets.
America is famous overall for being anti-intellectual, with jokes like PhD is 'piled higher and deeper', or how grad students are bums. Unfair, yes, but the dominant healthy underlying societal message is: what one can do with the knowledge one has, not how much credentials one has overall, is what really matters.
In my view, many people with a degree-for-respect mentality treat a degree like a pill that will 100 percent cure something once and for all, instead of what it usually is: merely an entrance ticket to join a race. A higher degree from a better school might get you a 'pole position ' start in a such a race, but one is going to have to race, regardless. Hard.
So overall the degree-for-respect attitude isn't something that should be treated with sympathy, but rather just a glaring admission that the holder is just as ignorant about the rest of the world as they perceive the world is about them.
I'm not anti-college, so won't claim most of the successful people I know succeeded in spite of college, or would have done better without, rather, their overall personality and traits -- like being honest, hardworking and conscientious -- were the actual foundation of everything else.
I just learned about Resolution 9 and started looking into it. Been trying to tell others and they are like so or it doesn't say what you are saying it says. Ugh. Looking for a new church since my church is SBC
It's sad as Christians that you don't find your identity in Jesus. But rather look for your identity from man. Carnal minded.
Compare these men to Darrell Harrison, Voddie Baucham. It's not skin color, it's culture. It's errant doctrinal beliefs. The race argument is simply a means of promoting the division.
This is happens when you become woke. You start seeing racism everywhere and everyone is guilt and no one is innocent. The Gospel is lost and fellowship is lost, because too busy focusing on being offended. Who would of guess that this would be the thing to bring down conservative Christian church. I just Voddie Baucham to show up and give these people a real education.
Thomas Sowell said the same thing Thomas is a black man I wish many people would listen to him And this is a person that has done a research research I believe it's about 90 plus now
Thomas Sowell is brilliant and would destroy these guys. Notice that leftists never quote Sowell. Sowell can quote facts and studies all day long. These guys can’t even quote the bible. And this is a pastors conference?
Hi, I am from California and so this racism cult I am very familiar with. Now before anyone thinks I am somehow not "qualified" to speak on this I will revisit that nonsense later. Matt doesn't even realize in his setup that he is doing what most "white" liberal-minded racist teachers do when they condescend with their superiority. Like he needed to take care of the weaker race. It isn't "privilege" it is arrogance and it comes in all skin tones depending upon how much you have bought into this actual racist way of seeing people.
Chandler had to set the stage, like a teacher in high school would set the classroom, to make sure we know who are the victims in the class. That the panel is somehow ok with this astonishes me. I had a teacher try to do that very thing in a class and a young black student stood up and she flat-out said "I don't need you speaking for me." That was back in the '80s in San Jose CA. We need to identify who are the actual racists in this kind of "classroom" and realize that at this point for sure it is NOT unique to any one ethnicity. If you are white and struggle with racist thinking then repent. If you are black same deal... brown same deal... etc. All ethnicities have at some point struggled as a people to be recognized. The struggle and tragedy my family faced early on migrating from Mexico and the victories that came from that as a whole is something to be celebrated as a human strength to endure that WE ALL share as the human race.
About the Thanksgiving comparison, there is actually a push in woke circles not to celebrate Thanksgiving
Hey, I get it. I gotta do research, come to conclusions without their input, then...wait, but they hate my conclusions. What do we do then?
You have to repent for your skin color and racism for even thinking differently to these guys.
Red and Yellow, Black and White, they are precious in His sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.
Don't come ask us " What should I read?" Go figure that out for yourself they say. But what if I pick books you don't approve of. Is it also wrong then to read your books? Because wouldn't that be like asking you for your opinions? So you're telling people not to do what you're doing on stage? But then you go and warn people about reading things for themselves with the wrong lens. Then you come out and tell people what books to read. I'm so confused.
That first panel is full of kinists!
I’m have been a member of the Village Church in Flower Mound Texas since 2011….I did not enjoy this season of attempting racial reconciliation through “wokeness”…I will say none of this exists today though.
I wouldn’t judge Acts 29 in 2022 thru a 2017 panel discussion. I was critical of Matt Chandler then. He meant well but he did not understand what he was involved in culturally. In 2017 our culture was deeply involved in “white guilt”. I rejected this narrative. It wasn’t fruitful. I admire and love all my Christian Brothers and Sisters…I joined the Village Church because at its core it was Gospel Centered how it handled every topic culturally. In this season, I believe the Church strayed away from the Gospel regarding racial reconciliation. As you remember empathy was at the forefront of this entire cultural movement disguised as loving your neighbor. It resulted in making people feel manipulated and had the opposite affect And further divided race relations if you remember. If you remember, they were
Doing this in the media, colleges,
And in corporations. I was disappointed this happened in the Church.
Today - I am not witnessing this with Matt Chandler, the Village Church, or
Acts 29 from my observations as a member. You don’t have to believe me, but I feel like I’m a reliable and critical source. Have a great day.
If you want to improve race relations or simple personal relationships…you have to believe in redemption and forgiveness. You can’t have a fruitful relationship with anyone trying to make someone feel guilty of the actions of others. I believe people just want to be respected and treated with dignity. This panel was a failed attempt at racial reconciliation in my honest opinion.
Thank you for your transparency… praying for all involved. Blessings
so did Matt Chandler come up with this idea through Docent Group who was writing sermons for different woke pastors. My wife and live in Nicaragua and do missions. People here cannot believe some of the things they are seeing in the Southern Baptist Convention.
Matt Chandler lead not only Village Church members but many others off the woke cliff. He can't just stop doing it as if it never happened. He must repent publically and step down for his lack of discernment and distortion of the gospel. He can be forgiven but should not be leading.
@@johnbeale4164 agreed. What happens when the next big lie from the left comes? Matt Chandler seems to be very lacking in discernment, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall for the next big trick all over again, and manipulate people and call people who disagree stupid again. The fact that he said some pretty aggressive stuff, and slandered some people publicly, without ever publicly repenting and admitting he was wrong, shows that he is either at best a) lacking in humility and discernment and is too spiritually immature to be an elder or worse b) a wolf in sheep's clothing seeking to lead Christians astray who realizes he's already maximized the damage that can be done on this topic and must wait until the next opportunity comes along to exploit it. Either way, Matt Chandler has no business being a pastor, and his word, to me (and many others), means nothing. He's disqualified himself over and over.
Forgiveness should not be withheld but I think repentance is due where error is made.
Notice how they speak of themselves and we, or impersonally "the black man.". They want us to catch up, plural vs plural, we verses you all. It's not individuals, or plural as in the Body of Christ, and members in particular. Did Paul separate people by color? No he emphasized the unity of the early church, both Jew and Gentile, male and female are all one in Christ. Faith in Christ is our one unifying factor, are we believers in the Biblical Gospel? Hey black brother, yellow sister, red son, white girl said no Apostle ever. Jesus said we are all brothers and sisters in Him. We have an equal but high calling of God in Christ Jesus, not of this world, we are citizens of heaven. Look up to the Apostle and High Priest of our faith, take note of the great cloud of witnesses, the martyrs who willingly suffered the loss of all things for the greater excellency of knowing Christ, identifying with Him in life, in suffering, even unto death. The world was not worthy of them. To know your true eternal identity study the Scriptures and these false gospels will not be digestible to your system.
Spot on with your assessment after the comment made about the "numinous black man"
Using the word magic like that is always weird and cheesey to me.
Yes I agree Disney using this term all the time ! I’ve tried to stop using it too ! That term along with the “ universe” or “energy ”
There is no Acts 29 in my Bible. Is this a mis-print?
@Michael Ward Thanks for that. I was scratching my head, thinking a page in my Bible was missing.
@Michael Ward The irony in using a name like "Acts 29" is that the Catholic and Protestant churches are not a continuation of the 1st century church. It's easy to tell just by comparing the basic doctrines and traditions that the Catholic and Protestant churches look nothing like the church Jesus established.
Hi from Texas..iced tea all year round 😁
I wonder what the panel would say about Jesse Lee Peterson. On his show he recounts living in the Jim Crow era in Alabama and he tells of families being intact hard-working and not telling themselves that they are victims. I don’t agree with everything JLP says but this is his own personal lived experience.
Is there a link to this for the full video? And is this from this year?
I’d like to see the net worth of this group.
Where is Voddie at
The opening words from Matt Chandler means Acts 17:11 is removed from the Bible. Don't be Berean
Good one.
Not tracing your lineage is not white privilege. It is Christian privilege. Anyone who has spent time on Ancestry knows that those that kept records in the past were mainly churches. Christening, baptism, birth, marriage and death records all came from the church. The government record was the census, court and military. So… nonsense again. My grandfather who lived in a one room sod roof house with 5 kid’s didn’t feel very privileged on the wind swept prairie. 1 plow. 1 horse. 1 wagon and death by Spanish Flu in 1918. His descendants worked hard to get where they are today.
I don’t know what to say, because I’m not qualified to say anything yet there are so many opportunities to comment. Has the white culture been studied for only 200 years or for 246 years (since 1776) or for 403 years (since 1619)? Did Matt Chandler’s leave of absence not happen soon enough?
Shame on these Christian men bringing these secular theories into the church, placing them along side the gospel and calling it truth. Their is nothing new under the sun. This is modern day Gnosticism. There is the truth of the gospel but there is now more knowledge you need to know to be enlightened.
Allow me to add one thing. I don't want to be an active participant in this "cancel" culture. I disagree completely with Matt Chandler in this one area and I point to another great teacher like Voddie Baucham who I stand in agreement with on these matters. Matt is my brother in the Lord and I respect him on so many other levels... so let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
John 17:3 says that eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ whom He sent.
This panel has completely missed the mark in putting their focus on knowing people and their culture regardless of ethnicity.