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The white man did a lot of evil so did others and the white true Christian put a end to slavery and eaven died to do that but that white Christians is never honored for it
I was a member of two predominantly white churches. I went to Bible studies, volunteered, worked, served every way I could, sharing my testimony, caring for everyone. My son and I both experienced racism. Looking back I felt so unwelcomed. It was hard because I expected them to love like Jesus. To release how I felt I wrote a paper about it in college where I shared my experience and talked about what the church should look like and what Heaven will truly look like, and I received an A from a non Christian teacher at a non Christian school. I am an Alumni of a Christian University. Apologetics was my favorite class. What I found in my attendance at a Christian school at a predominantly white university was that there was a lot of worldly views and less Biblical views. I had to speak God’s word and stand strong among those who claimed to be Christians.
@Jas58271 The biblical world view provides the idea of supremacy of one set of people over others, that they can enter other people's lands and genocide them, and steal the land, that they can take any virgin that they want, after slaughtering all that she loves family etc., and destroying her home. God's chosen also are encouraged to enslave and subjugate all of the nearby nations close to the lands that they were to occupy, if those other nations offered God's chosen terms of peace, but if they wished to keep their sovereignty, slaughter and genocide them as well. Then the Bible specifically curses a whole race of people because a son saw and ridiculed his naked drunken father, Lot. The Bible tells israel to release their male slaves only after 7 years, but enslave foreigners dwelling among them, and from neighbouring nations, and they were perpetual slaves to be passed from one generation to the next. I could go on, but I won't. Where have you come across a more accurate manifesto for the colonisers, slave making nations, and racial supremacist of the world? Hasn't the church been faithful to scripture in its role in promoting slavery, colonialism, racism, and terror in the world? So how could you miss all of that. Even the story of Joseph showed how all Egyptians had land, and by the end of Joseph's tenure as Prime Minister or Treasurer of Egypt, the Israelites owned the best lands, and the Egyptians were renting land from the King, administered by Joseph.The Bible was very comprehensive in its instruction, and those lessons were learnt and implemented throughout Christendom. Africa, the America, Australia, wherever there were people of color, the curse of Ham was used to justify genocide and land theft, with church and state working hand in hand. The doctrine of discovery also enriched the Bible's message. According to that papal bull, 1452 maybe, the whites had the right to invade the lands of non-white people and claim them as their own, killing all who got in the way of the righteous sons of Japeth. This was followed by Columbus "discovering" the new world, and the genocides that followed, which also expande to Africa and other continents.
That hypocrisy is everywhere when we see that just no they do not belong to GOD and have not been BORAGAIN OF THE WATER BAP. IN JESUS CHRIST NAME AND FILLED WITH HIS POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES!!!!!❤❤❤❤ Ye shall know them by their (FRUIT)!❤
I went to a predominately white church and was treated prly very not nice ppl who said and did not right thi gs.. I was excluded my kids treated less than I finally left and on my way out they said I would go to hell if I left... lol left anyway I'm white
@@joanneg7646it happens to people in black church to other black people. Many people live the church not due race but because Christian are not nice people.
Now that is the actual facts 💯! Which is the true teachings of the Anointed One! Who's real name was YESHUA! And taught the same Good News and Glad Tidings of ABRAHAM! Nothing named Christianity existed until the European CONQUERORS changed his name and his teachings from the GOSPEL OF ABRAHAM ,to the teachings of White European SUPREMACY AND Black Inferiority of the So-called Christian CONQUERORS of Europe!!!, ..with the symbol of the cross ✝️!! Which had the motto of: "WITH THIS SIGN I DO CONQUER" !! THIS JESUS HAD NO INTENTION OF SAVING ANYONE! AND ENSLAVED THE ABORIGINAL BLACK NATIONS OF THE PLANET EARTH 🌏! IN JESUS NAME!
How can a people who have been stripped of the truth be given the truth without a teacher? And how can they have a teacher unless one is sent ???... That is why ALMIGHTY GOD has always raised one from among the people who have become blind, deaf, and dumb!.. That the truth may set them free from the darkness of ignorance and FALSEHOOD!.. In the person of "WELL MADE MEN" !... THERE ARE NO SPOOKS!... SPIRITS CAN NOT PRODUCE THEMSELVES!.. SO ALMIGHTY GOD HAS ALWAYS PRODUCED A WELL MADE MAN TO MANIFEST HIS DIVINE SPIRIT, IN THE SEEN PHYSICAL REALITY OF TRUTH OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH 🌎! THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN THE TRUE WAY OF ALMIGHTY GOD! .. BUT THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR REJECTION OF GOD'S CHOICE!
I really can't express enough how much satisfaction I get from finally seeing, peering and being in the virtual " audience," of this type of dialogue. I just love this. This should be offered as something to go on tour in different cities. I would buy a ticket..
YES! Christianity is a whitemans religion. Recently, since the discoveries in Egypt, they started to imply that the people of the Bible are "BLACK". Once you trace Jesus back to Serapis, it becomes clear. The Old Testament is filled with Lombard Legend that was written BEFORE the bible was printed by Paule the Deacon. Lastly, it says the Blackfolks are cursed and they still operate from that premise!
My cousins a pastor.. He loves literally everyone... I dont go to church but we talk for hours about spirituality and God. He said if Ytte folks found out legit Jesus was an African man. We'd lose 75% of the Christian population...
I would not care if Jesus was purple!!! But He was born a Jew. He could have been light skinned, he could have been darker but none of this matters! His skin color is not the point of the gospel
@@stephanirose6234 Interesting you dont care but proceeded to defend whatever belief you have 😭😭 You care and its very telling of your Racism... You dont believe in Jesus. Just the idea of him. You also dont read your bible lol... Bible specifically describes him as a dark skin man...
The closing statements said it all. We are who we are only because of who Jesus Christ is and always will be. We need not ever question these things. If there is ever a doubt, seek first the Kingdom of Christ and stand firm.
1:17:23 - 1:19:08 This is the KEY to the entire discussion. If you only listen to one part, make it this one. Thank you Lisa. Without being anchored in this truth, we black Christians can become bitter, hateful, and despondent. But knowing this truth that she stated will instead fill us with peace, steadfastness, and joy because we know this world is not the end! ☺
This show Guest did not make me understand why Christianity is a White Man Religion. If I was a Guest I would have Responded to the Question in a different way that the Guest that I listened to!! All of the Guest did not Respond to the question, in my opinion spoke around the Question!!
Wheew! Been scrolling for the past hour and a half to find something that was worth listening to on RUclips! It's extremely hard to find people engaging in intelligent, thought provoking conversations nowadays on RUclips and i saw the title of this post and this was a question I've had about Christianity most of my life, 8 minutes into the video and I just know I'll enjoy what I'm about to view! Thanks, New subscriber.
Just stumbled on this platform and love the space for growth and healing your platform is creating to transform the African mind and advance the conversation. Keep up the phenomenal work!
*"God has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us."* -Acts 17:26,27
This is a great conversation and great points were made. I watched the Importance of Understanding Israel and I believe it's PERFECT for connecting the dots of this conversation. I HIGHLY encourage yall to watch them
When discussing this topic, we must look at the origin of "Christianity " and its relationship with black people from a historical perspective. The councels of bishops, predominantly white men under "Roman" rule that decided what words would be the word of God, would give any logical thinking person a clear understanding that Christianity in its modern state of existence is the white man's religion.
That’s false tho, Christianity and the Bible was many in parts of Africa and Asian way before the the KJV ever came to be. The Ethiopian Bible is 800 years older than the KJV. Not only that, Christianity was spread by former Jews who radically changed and accepted what we now call Christianity after experiencing the risen Jesus. So that’s highly inaccurate to say it’s a white man religion.
thats 100% nonsne. Ancient Romans first off were a mediterranean people and genetically similar to levantine peoples. Rome also was filled with numerous types of people and all North africans who arent white were Roman and Christian. You have literally zero idea what you are talking about.
@@lionheart5078 Exactly and Galatians sums it up well, that those that accept Christ as Lord and Savior are ONE in Him! Not just white people Galatians 3:26-28 ESV ”for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“
@lionheart5078 with all due respect, what does your response have to do with the Roman councils of bishops being the group that manufactured the Bible. Nothing you said was in response to the point I made. Just arguing nonsense.
It's really sad to hear this about how religion is used to suppress another race. God created each of us in His image. Jesus was Middle Eastern so really hate seeing and hearing Jesus was white...He wasn't. I've lived in the Middle East, i know. Islam is used as the reason its ok to still have slaves in countries like Mauritania. Look at how domestic workers are treated in the Middle East. Even in Kenya, some Kenyans treat their domestic workers atrociously. I'm so glad I was brought up believing in the Sabbath and that everyone is equal and have stayed that way into my 50s. As you say the Roman's have a lot to do with the Vanilla colored Jesus and this sadly was made more prevalent by the Catholic church in their paintings and icons
Dr. Vince Bantu, is fire 🔥, self care as self love is primary because how can I really love my neighbor as I love myself but I’m not loving myself rightly!!
The first time in History the word “Christian” was used is found in the Book of Acts in chapter 11 verse 26 where it says, “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.” Prior to this time in the book of Acts, there was no specific name for those who followed Jesus Christ other than believers.
The early followers of YESHUA (the real name of the Anointed One ),who's name was translated from the Greek name IEAOUS!!.. In Antioch, a city of a province in Turkey !!... By the Greek Jewish scholarship of Hellenist. to the name Jesus.... This same scholarship translated the Greek word Kristos to Christ, which means one who is Anointed!... The actual followers of Yeshua in Antioch call themselves "The Followers of The Way"!!!... Coming from the scriptures in the Torah or Bible in the Book of Isaiah chapter 40:verse 3 which states prepare the way of the LORD!!"... Isaiah the Prophet was also Anointed in his mother's womb before birth..... Before the name changes the other Jews called them "THE NAZARENES" !!.... The first church formed by the Apostle Peter was called "THE CHURCH OF JERUSALEM" !! The name of their teachings was also changed later, 300 years after the death of YESHUA to Christianity by the Roman Caesar Constantine! Which was a Hellenist version of JUDAISM, ...now called Christianity, .....with a image of a blonde haired, and blue eyed European named Jesus! Based on European Supremacy and Conquest !
I was in my teenage years when black men use to walk around orange center neighborhood I grew up in. Use to walk around educating about a black Jesus I remember saying to them! "You saying Jesus is black" They looked at me and said brother you are a king! I honestly cried
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
@tristankinney9077 In this verse Christ is saying that he doesn't pray for the world, as in ALL people INCLUDED....he only prays for them that the Most High gave him or sent him to. This would be Christ own people, the Israelites. Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am NOT sent BUT unto the LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE of ISRAEL.
@@tristankinney9077 its easy to see what is being said here when your brain isnt filled with the religious doctrines of those that colonized your forefathers and have violated Gods word for milleniums.
I truly enjoyed the comments I heard from the young lady & the young man before her. Our souls are at stake. These battles that we are having are purely distractions. It’s not a black or white thing but a Jesus thing. It’s about accepting Him as our Savior,& trusting God at His Word, made flesh to dwell among men, & following His way. The only Way,Truth& Life. All & any other way leads to eternal death & damnation.
Vince Bantu is just on another level because he is authentic... he not trying to sound deep. He just is... he is down to earth and loves God.. it amazing 👏🏾.. also Lisa, as well!
The brother in the glasses made the most sense to me. Dude on the left, something about his statements felt lukewarm. The problem is that we’ve been taught inclusiveness without being allowed to learn more about our own culture. Nonetheless this is the conversations we need to be having. Love it
I said the same thing. The lighter dude in the blue button up under the blazer? If so he’s definitely lukewarm and is dropping in some confusion in his talking points
What is amazing to me is how everyone hears or sees things so differently. Why? Because some people are saying that the man on the left was not that good but, I happened to like what the man said on the left better. But really, this was a very good and needed conversation and for that reason alone, we should be careful and not see this as a competition of who said what better because overall, all of them had really great points and I enjoyed all of them tremendously!
@@vickijones5301I agree with you. He displayed a very clear understanding of Christianity as well as how some white people have distorted and perverted it to the detriment of our people and their own guilt before God, to which they will give an account before Him who shows no partiality.
I don’t agree with every thing he says but he actually understands the history for Christianity more then the rest of the panel if we are talking about the light skin guy to the far left .
I am so in awe of black people. I will list our attributes. We were not given a chance of education. We were not given a level playing field or opportunities. We have been enslaved de-humanised but we have over and over shown our strength and inguinety by our sweet nature of forgiveness our ability to excel in all that is thrown at us. We are ever proving to all that we are so damn special and no wonder we are feared. Let's say we were not so persecuted and had all the same chances. What world would this be, huh. Our strength is remarkable. I sometimes feel we are not even recognizing how great a race the black race is to the point where we had to be suppressed for others to even stand a chance. I am so proud of us. Religion is damaging and is responsible for so many atrocities.
I'm reading how great Black people are but not great enough to over come White supremacy,and what about white supremacy?The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that the Blackman traveled the earth and settled on the best part of it Africa 🌍 with all the mineral wealth,so white invasion and colonization was a matter of survival because Europe doesn't have the mineral wealth,also because Whites have a genetically recessive genes which explains their zero birth rate,so intermixed with other races was necessary but we never go there in our explanations of white supremacy,exploitation,invasion and need to rule.
Acts 11:26 > It was in Antioch that the disciples were for the first time called Christians. Acts 26:28 > Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian." 1Peter 4:16 > Yet if any man suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Fascinating discussion! I would love to see this topic expanded to include the perspective of black intellectual nonbelievers who have no invested interest in the defense of Christianity.
@@oldschool5 , well maybe even just have a whole panel of nonbelievers so there would be less tension. But at least let the audience hear a different perspective of folks not biased by already practicing Christianity as a non white. It’s almost like the answer was already decided by everyone and now they are just telling the audience why they are right. No counter whatsoever!! Everyone has an agenda, I guess 🤷🏾
@@emusiqs5253 Yes.. thats the hard part about learning from people and especially learning from Black Christians. Dr. Bantu is already on record saying it dont matter what NEW Information he comes across, he will always push his faith. Its not about education when it comes to the Black Christian. Its about pushing their agenda. Its sad.
I am so thankful that I left church since 2014 and to hear this type of conversation it really makes me happy to be alive and witness this awakening happening 💜💜💜
@@dondracue6831 I gave my laws Statues and Commandments unto (ISRAEL) I have not dealt so with any other nations and as of my judgment they have not known them. PSALM 147:19,20 KJV
Belief in truth will help you avoid eternal hellfire. Talk to black end hospice workers and the will tell you how whites beg black them for forgiveness for a life time of believing in a false supremacy taught to them by the church. Understanding that praying to that blue eyed blond haired portrait in your church is blasphemy. Understanding that Christianity has been tainted and rewritten for the power of the white race and understanding how it was used to commit evils to people all over the world will help you avoid eternal hellfire. You couldn't have truly listen to this conversation asking such a question.
Just another preacher telling his own that they are perpetual victims. Where is his concern for B on B and B on W violent crime rates? He's just weaponizing black Christians.
You must be yt, because only you would respond so foolishly because if roles were reversed you would be doing the same thing! Why are there passages that describe what the Messiah looked like Revelations 1? Look in the OT, Job 30:30, Song of Solomon 1:5&1:6?
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I was a Christian for over 40 years . In my spirit, I knew many things about that belief system was just not adding up. I quit that faith / beliefs system several years ago. I've never been freer, my mind clearer, my spirit lighter and I have proven to be healthier, mentally, emotionally and psychologically. God is a concept. And there are many belief systems having their own concept of what and who God is. I don't know. and I don't believe any living person knows. What I do know is that people feed people. People shelter people, people help people heal. We are it. We are all we have in this life. I am glad black people are at least beginning to wake up and ask questions.
What you are broke free from are the concepts created by white supremacy and humans. I respect your views but I am free and living in peace and harmony as a believer. I don’t let white people think for me. I believe in Jesus , The Father and the Holy Spirit, the 3 in one God. They are ancient stories that support the biblical stories. Check out history if you can find some reference books not wash washed you will see the truth. White supremacy promotes white humans as being superior to EVERYONE including all gods. Who else thinks like that if you have read a Bible???
I still on that faith because i believe, but Not in the stupidity of humanity. You just quick because your weak and low intelligence forgetting is humanity is you should question Not God. You always only sees one side of the coin and believing the lies of inferior creatures with limited inteligence and limited life calling themselves humanity like DemoNcrat party
Thanks to all panelists for engaging us in this conversation. My question is what happened to what our ancestors believed? My Mom was part American Indian and Black. Learning to praise Mother Earth, Water, Air and Each Other was and still is a part of me. Had the opportunity to go to private school where we had to study all religions and attend their services to formulate what appealed and what turned us off and why. Got a chance to see how White Colonialism is intertwined with the majority of religions. Why is what we believed in before Christianity not the norm?
This kinda reminds me of Good Times. When JJ painted Jesus Black and their mom was against Jesus being painted as a Black man. It wasn't until Michael showed her that Jesus in the Bible is Black/a dark brown man. It's crazy how much she didn't want to accept that Jesus was Black. I just thought I would mention this.
I agree with this one brother who said Christianity is not a white man's religion. The Bible says in Matthew go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. And in Mark 16:15 the Bible says go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Remember the Israelites where scattered into all nations so that’s why it say teach all nation, And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. Deuteronomy 4:27 read also Deuteronomy 28:15 ,16, 32,,48,68. Christ only came for the Israelites Matthew 15:24
This was so much wisdom and a blessing to my heart and ancestry line ❤thank you all for this amazing opportunity and sharing a positive powerful testimony message to heal me and many others with questions
The truth be told nowhere in scripture did Christ or the apostles ever teach or say that the Lords way was Christianity it's not in scripture at all. I'm not speaking about being called a Christian like they where in Antioch. Being called a Christian and calling the Lords church Christianity are two different things.. We don't like talking about the hard questions... So if it's not scripture then where did it come from..
Exactly 💯 also christ warned of a counterfeit and many christ will rise an it's clearly christianity is the dangerous counterfeit no one wants to talk about! Christianity still follows dangerous doctrine and idolatry they justify with Easter an Christmas 🎄 doesn't change God's word , christianty has made no difference between the holy and the profane
@jamescarter5041 I mean Christianity is not scriptural and they never called each other that in scripture.... That's all I'm saying if you where talking to me.. Have a great day
The Bible and in particular King James version was written by King James of England so that he could use the scripture to soften the hearts of those England wanted to take their land and riches and make them her subjects for ever.
Now you can see why Yashuah said He is coming to wave His hand a second time, and He is coming to return us back to His Laws, Statues, and Commandments. Yashuah Himself will set us back on the right path ELOHIM's way is right not Religion. Yah never gave us a religion, but He gave us a personal relationship with him. And as you can see when man teach you his way of thinking man will have you all confused 😕😕🤔
As a teen I realized that everyone's race was human. As I started studying the Bible I realized that color of skin was never a way that Christians and Gentiles were not defined by color. I also came to understand that before Babel everyone was together and defined by their town of birth. Using prayer in study and common sense I also found that this also was a frequent way people were defined in the New Testament. I guess people don't accept that we should not bow down nor worship idols. My race is human and my ethnicity is of African descent. And I believed that the children of Ham are the Palestinians. And to be a true Christian only one thing is required and that is to follow the teachings of Christ!
OMG. This is so enlightening. We, the original people are truly waking up. This information is powerful, and has reached a lot of people, and I pray that it will continue to reach many. This video validates what I have been telling family and friends, to wake up. I think that for starters we should call JESUS by his real name. The energy from his name is powerful. ❤💚💙💥
I grew up in church all my life, and I didn’t find out the truth and I was grown and took several trips to Egypt in Africa. Now that I know the truth, you couldn’t pay me to have a Bible in my home, even though I know it from front to back by heart from Sunny school even that book that’s been tampered with over here in the United States, still could not exclude the parents of the savior it tells you what His ethnicity is
Thank you all for these incredible truths. I sat mesmerized, listening to every uplifting voice. I am a senior with a seniors income. I can not come at the end of August, l will try to register. I don't know what the 25% off means, but l will try to get in. All the messages were powerful, l love each and every one of you. Please continue this work. You all served us breakfast, lunch, and dinner because it was food for the soul. Bless you all.
I would like to know how we can fix this problem and move forward. What do we do? I’m a white woman and women had a hard time. I think Christianity is how we get to God. Love does bring Jesus to the light. Jesus said I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. WITHOUT JESUS THERE IS NO HOPE.
White Christian women value whiteness above anything up else, including 1st and 2nd wave feminists. You’re not an ally and never will. Go worship your white magic man somewhere else
Although I knew a lot of stuff because my family upbringing. But this was refreshing. I believe this need to be taught at all black churches educational institutions classes they offer. Some leaders in the black churches do not want to acknowledge this. I will even say all churches that are truly following God's word need to share this not just black churches.🙏🤝🤲🙌
The bible said forget those things behind it does not matter now because Jesus is on his way back we way our time about the wrong thing devil like that to keep u win sold for Christ think about what we going to face Jesus here is 2023 next 2024
Now are anyone are getting SAVE so Jesus was black but we much move on now because he is a spirit on the right hand of the father in heaven what color your WORD we speak that how God is he a Word in the spirit walk in the spirit not in the fresh
Us as Africans we used to communicate with our ancestors we didn’t have Christianity bringing up so when we were bringing in from slavery, basically this was forced upon us.
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
That’s why I don’t understand why black people ignore this. My boyfriend is first generation American. His relatives in Africa don’t practice Christianity.
@@truthhearit1471 Ethiopia is one region on the entire continent. There are areas in Africa, especially South of the Equator where it was introduced through colonisation. If you read Southern African history, Henry Morton Stanely and David Livingstones accounts, they and many other explorers and missionaries were sent to not only explore but establish a way to break through the rainforest in order to colonise. And one of the methods was to set up set up schools, churches mainly teaching Christian education. And many conditions placed on chiefs in exchange for goods and services was to accept Christ first and have churches set up in their societies. You can acknowledge that Christianity was in Ethiopia but that's not the same history as other African countries. Many traditional African religions and practices were decimated and demonised and many Africans killed for not accepting Christianity. Whats true for Ethiopia is not true for other countries.
I don’t know how I found this video today but I definitely know I was supposed to watch this. May God bless everyone who participated to make this video possible. I pray that the knowledge in this videos reaches millions so that the true wisdom and power of the Gospel of Christ be revealed on earth. 🌍
It would be nice if we called him by his proper name, YESHUA, and stop posting pictures of him as a white man when he was not white! Many people think they’re praising our Savior, but they’re worshipping Pagan Gods made up by whites! Why are we calling our Savior a name other than his actual name, and why are we omitting many facts about him and his life in the white version of the Bible, which is supposed to be a book about him? It doesn’t even mention his wife and kids…why? It’s a white washed version of YESHUA, just like everything else in this world, white re-writing of history.
I think we are still asking the question from the wrong perspective. Remove the oppressor from the question and ask ourselves "if Christianity is a Black Persons religion?" Is it helping our spirits. Are we learning to love ourselves through it.
I enjoyed every part of this conversation, May God bless all the speakers. It might be a great idea to get an executive summary which highlights the key points of the various speakers.🙏
What was amazing about it? I'd like to hear. It sounded like a racist discussion toward all white Christians as if we are all part of the KKK. these leaders should be ashamed of themselves. I never once heard any of them say that not all whites are lumped into what they are talking about.
Interesting......question....what is the biblical basis that "color" has anything to do with Christianity? The fact that we identify churches by their "color" only elongates the core issue they are discussing.
Amen I love the keeping of culture, because I’m Dominicana and I love it, I will not put it down! I feel super grateful that God made me Dominican, a make up of a variety of people.
I live in the Dominican Republic and Christianity has destroyed these folks down here. Christianity keeps several Dominicans stuck and broke and to be content with it.
@@whatshatnin4572 it’s not hard to believe, we have not read the word for ourselves and asked the spirit of God to reveal the hidden truth of it to our Hearts and faith in that way leads to a lot of miss placed belief, where we never really learn God and all that God wills for us.
@@queenesther743 I agree that a lot of Dominicans just believe what a preacher will tell them. However, in reality people should deal with facts before they deal with faith. My folks back in the States are English speaking Christians because our slave master was an English speaking Christian. Many of the Brothas down here are Spanish speaking Catholics because their slave master was a Spanish speaking Catholic. It is very difficult for a nation of people to be healthy if they have allowed their slave master to define their concept of god. The Dominican needs to apply facts before he applies faith. Kids apply faith FIRST which allows them to believe in flying reindeer. Enslaved adults apply faith FIRST which allows them to believe in talking donkeys.. But if the babies and the enslaved adults were to apply facts FIRST, they would never waste their time in accepting flying reindeer or talking donkeys.
@@whatshatnin4572 true most often the problem is that we want to believe for the miracle and God will do the miracle but it is much more beneficial to be disciplined and that’s what most humans don’t want to do.
@@queenesther743With all due respect Sir!!.. That is because we are not supposed to wait on a Mystery God who can't hear us, who can't see us, who does not feel our pain and suffering....! We are supposed to get up and call on Him, with a sincere heart Then go to work making our Word Bond! We must humble ourselves to the nature of ALMIGHTY GOD! As stated by The Holy Anointed Prophet Isaiah stated in Chapter 40 of his book in 😅 the Torah verses 1-3 Which is the true teachings of the coming EXALTED CHRIST! Peter and his followers of Yeshua (The True Anointed One) in Antioch were known as "THE NAZARENES".. .. not Christians! They also called themselves the "FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY" as instructed by the two Holy Anointed SERVANTS OF ALMIGHTY GOD... ISAIAH AND JOHN THE BAPTIST! " MAKING STRAIGHT A HIGHWAY IN THE DESERT FOR OUR B;GOD!!.. THE TRUE GOOD NEWS AND GLAD TIDINGS OF ABRAHAM,.... LEADING TO THE PERFECTION OF ALMIGHTY GOD IN ADAM (BOTH MALE AND FEMALE) CALLED MAN! THE TRUE GOSPEL!.. PURIFIED IN THE FIREY FURNACE OF AFFLICTIONS AND UNDESERVED SUFFERING! LIKE DANIEL AND THE THREE HEBREW BOYS!
One thing that I have come to learn is that what we have been taught in America is not aligned with human history. The fact that there are faiths older than Christianity plus the fact that our planet is boasting 8 billion people approximately (living), perspective becomes more important. I’m afraid that if you’re only source of truth is the book that your oppressors placed in your path, then their plan is continuing to be successful. I agree with Lisa in her analogy of “counterfeit”. The best tip to help all people in their sojourn is to travel back (re-connect) or to support those elders who are traveling to the mother land, researching, and living truth. The word christianity is not their claims, just as it was not a claim of Jesus.
I totally agree. No one knows what was Christianity was called before white folk named it Christianity. By that reason alone, it has to be a white mans religion.
Hey sister I hope you are well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would like to challenge your belief that the world is 8 billion years old. There is no such evidence for this. The claim that there are religions older then Christianity is inaccurate also. Christianity is just a name for people who follow the Messiah who was prophised to come to lead people back to the worship of the one true God. Originally man worshipped one God then over time men began to worship the spirits of their dead ancestors believing they could not approach God directly. This is a direct result of the fall of man as the bible teaches. This led to all the religions that we have today and that is why in every religion you have some kind of concept of the supreme God. I am of Yoruba descent and it is there in the yoruba traditional religion. Truly white supremacy did serious damage to our ancestors. Though Yoruba I am a descendant of an African America called Churchill Vaughan who fled southern Carolina in the 1800s and first arrived in Liberia before moving to Lagos where he eventually settled. I feel the pain of many African Americans and as Black British person I can relate some what. However let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The problem is not the bible or Christianity. The problem is how white supremacy falsely represented Christianity. The word of God itself condemns any such belief in white supremacy or any other concept of supremacy even among Jews. In fact many heros in the bible were from Africa including Obed Melech, who saved Jeremiah's life and the Ethiopian eunuch of acts 8. There is no hope in any other way except Jesus. Our ancestors were deceived to have been worshipping idols in who there is no hope. There is only hope in the living God alone who came to earth to save humanity in His incarnation as Yeshua Hamashiach. None of our ancestors' gods did such a thing. Rather, they oppressed them and forced them to do fetish things (including the sacrificing of young virgins and killing of twins that were seen as a bad omen). By the way the guys who claim the world is billions years old do so because many of them are secular humanist who have no belief in God and claim we are just material beings and that there are no spirits or souls. They have made up these strange claims about the age of the earth to justify the lie that we evolved from animals after a big bang that happened by accident. They have a skewed world view which has led to a lot of confusion in our day with people now even questioning if there is such a thing as gender. May the Lord help us and open our eyes and I say this with all due respect.
I just want to clarify that when I talk about discovering the Jewishness of Christianity I do not mean becoming Jewish. What I mean is understanding that Christainity did not begin in Europe and therefore has nothing to do with white supremacy. The cultural context of the bible is Jewish Middle Eastern. What then happens is the message and practise needs to be contextualised to which ever culture you belong to in a way that does not alter or distort the message in any way. E.g. in Nigeria music, praying and preaching are all done in a way that is uniquely Nigerian in many instances. Often even with indigenous languages and colloquialisms.
Oh what a glorious day when I stumbled on this program. I have been pondering over this for a while, the Christianity brought to us is not the real one. Thank you all. .
"I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land." Fredrick Douglas
@@afterwards8233 We adhere to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ which is not a religion but a life-changing experience. Religion says that if we obey God He will love us. The gospel says that it is because God has loved us through Jesus that we can obey.
@afterward, religion is man made. Different banners under religion is also man made. Examples of banners; Baptist, COGIC, Pentecostal. Please read James 1:27.
@@helenahall4893 those are not banners they are denominations. I fellowship with a COGIC church, and I've served as minister of music at a nondenominational church. I believe the actual is a spiritual organization focusing its worship on God the father and our Savior Jesus Christ.
@@KingCASONIII with all due respect, the word denomination is not found in the Bible, it is man made. COGIC was founded in 1897 by Charles Harrison Mason. What did Mr. Mason know that Jesus didn't? I call denominations banners because they are names of what a man decided a church to be. Jesus did not do that so how can a man come in and direct how God's house should be, when He told us in His word. I commend you in music ministry, I write and sing only Gospel music, also. I am not trying to argue with you in this thread. I am only pointing out Jesus said there is to be no division, yet that is what church buildings do every Sunday. Please read 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.
Bravo!!!!!!! This is what we need raising the conversation having important dialog around Christianity that is cultural and current. Love to see our people speaking in their intellect and passion!!!!
True,, i would like first, to greet the blessed panel, up there. Then to, Bishop Kenneth Ulmer, i still got my diary,when you called me up, by the power of the Holy Spirit, in front of a huge congregation for accepting, Christ, as my personal saviour. It was not, easy, i must say but the holy Spirit got me out of my chair, despite my flesh resisting. Thanks. A lot. I like to say, Christianity is a Spiritual encounter with God, not any other human flesh.
Why are y’all scared to call out the Mother of Harlots? ( Roman Catholic Church!! I heard non of you put them out there as the true problem!! The system is called “ The little horn, man of sin, women riding the scarlet color beast, the cone out of her ( catholic system ) , beast out the sea, the leopard like beast, son of perdition ( pope ) etc !! And we have adopted this Sun day worship because the
A mother suggest she has children which means they will be calling out the entirety of modern christianity. Protestants don't like to admit it but they are more like Catholics than the actual religion that is in the bible.
If you can’t move on without the yt man, you can’t move on. This dependence on proximity has to stop. Until we can deal with the current reality for what it is, it will be impossible to create a new reality.
Thank you. It doesn’t that’s why I don’t know why black people entertain Christianity. African people didn’t practice Christianity until it was forced upon them.
It's interesting how its stated that white supremacy started since Constantine in the Roman Empire. The Romans didn't see themselves as necessarily white or European, but Roman. There were many ethnicities in the Roman Empire stretching from dark skin to light skin. The Romans viewed people in Northern Europe as an other who were barbarians. I think Christianity became more European as Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa. A lot of Christianity was eliminated in North Africa and the Middle East thus, except for a few other places, making Europe the bastion of Christianity.
The concept of a white race didn't even exist in the time of Constantine, not to mention the common mistake that Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire. And yes the Roman empire was multi-ethnic, by the 3rd century AD all territories of the empire were considered Romans. It's also correct that as Islam started gaining greater influence in Africa, and the middle east and parts of Asia Christianity did become isolated in Europe. Everywhere outside of Europe by the 13th century AD Christianity was present but always a minority (with the exception of Ethiopia) this was of course until the colonial era which has made Africa the center of Christianity in the modern day.
This is a beautiful conversation. I am as you describe, white. We need to have this type of decisions in out churches, both black and white.Christianity began black, that is what I am trying to help christians to come to terms with this fact. I appreciate your spirit, your mindsets and intellectual conversations. This is a move of God
How did Christianity begin black. And we need to be specific if we are to have these conversations. There are several different type of Africans who were introduced to Christianity in different ways at different times. Black Folks in America and in the Caribbean were introduced to Christianity by European Christian slave masters. So we should not try to lump all Africans together when it comes to their introduction to Christianty.
Christianity is without a doubt a white man's religion!! Christianity and it's denominations are created by those white men! There is no getting around it. Try as you may to camouflage this false religion but we who know the scriptures know Christianity works against God in every way. You not gonna pull that small time crap on us! We know who we are according to the scriptures Deuteronomy 28:15-68 to be precise.
@@oldschool5The origins of Christianity wasn't started in European culture. In the conversation it was mentioned about the different nations in Africa already practicing Christianity before it made it to Europe. The problem is that so many different religious sects has been packaged as true Christianity, but it's really false doctrines(heretics ). Catholicism was practice in white nations, which believed the letter and practice a lot of pegan behaviors. The "pilgrim " left England to practice Christianity in the "new World". They were ignorant to the spiritual side of Christianity, that's why they developed their own rules and understanding when trying to practice Christianity. The proof is in the brutality that was implemented at their hands. Ignorance breeds hate and hate is manifest through brutality. They liked to barrow from other cultures including religions. King James only translated the Bible into English, he did not write it. The enslaved wouldn't have been controlled by religion if they had not been familiar with Christ. Jesus Saves all that desire to know him .🙏
Christianity began black is stupid as it began white. It don't say anywhere in Christianity exactly what race Jesus Christ was now does it? No it don't, because it doesn't matter. If it did it would say so. If some people had it their way the Bible would say God made white man, or God made black man, but it don't, it just says God made man. It don't say god made white woman, it don't say God made black woman. It just says God made woman. Matter fact that just became my favorite part about the Bible. It don't specify skin color. It specify poor people and rich people. It specifies, good and evil. It says do not kill each other. It says to love one another. Jesus forgive thy heart. God bless thy soul
Just like all the other well spoken individuals , they just want tell you the real truth behind this Bible , Jesus stuff ,so sad for our people suffering from this crime against your conscious
Labeling a fully grown adult African American male as " well spoken, articulate,and knowledgeable is ole Massa Mordecai telling his buck that he's a good boy!
I have continued to ask the same questions and nobody gives and answer or supports there position with scriptures: 2. In order to serve God and worship him and spirit and truth do I need to be in Christianity???? 3. Who did God make a covenant with a people or a religion??? 4. Is Jesus the originator of the religion of Christianity and is that what he taught??? 5. Are the tenants of Christianity of today the same at messianic believers practice in biblical times??? 6. Is the Bible a Christian book?? 7. Who is the new covenant to??? 8. Who is the mediator of new covenant??? 9. Does Christianity have laws or do they get there laws from the Bible???
@jtpreacher5892 1. It's not about what church you attend it's about the teachings of Christ. Christ is God in the flesh teaching men how to walk the way God wants them to walk. God became a man so that man might become like God. 2. God made a covenant with people, the Israelites. And the Bible says in John 1 that "He came to His own (Jews/Israelites) but they did not receive Him so to anyone who receives Him He has given the power to become children of God. 3. Jesus founded the church, He did not found Catholicsm 4. If it's not in the OT it won't be in the NT. What Jesus taught is not different than what the prophets taught. But when it comes to certain things He also changed them because He has the power to do so. Such when it comes to the Sabbath 4. The Bible is for everyone, but it can only be understood by those who actually have a relationship with Christ. The Bible says that without the spirit of God we cannot understand it because it is by the Spirit that the words were written. 5. The Mediator of the New Covenant is Christ. 6. Follow God & let Him teach you
@@viviennebaptiste let’s address each pointer one at a time, so if u believe that Christ is God then u also have to believe that Christ the God gave the laws to Moses Deu 4:5-9.???
@@viviennebaptiste 2. You jump to John 1 to say that Israelites is not the covenant people, but the covenant with Israel is everlasting. “And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, And to Israel for an everlasting covenant:” Psalm 105:10 KJV “Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” Isaiah 55:3 KJV “and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.” Jeremiah 32:40 KJV Now I’m doing this because no scriptures was given to support your position.
@@viviennebaptiste 3 messiah founded the church, well how could he do that if the church had been existence even before he was born: “This is he, 👉🏿that was in the church in the wilderness 👈🏿with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” Acts 7:38 KJV ekklēsia: the assembly of the Israelites “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” Exodus 19:5-6 KJV So that’s the proper perspective of looking at the term church and if you go to Matthew 16 it’s the same term and u know it harmonizes due to him questioning his disciples on who he was and the relation him to the fact of Tanakh.
@@viviennebaptiste so let’s deal with one aspect did messiah change the sabbath and are there scriptures to support the simple answer is no. A. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:17-19 KJV B.“And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, 👉🏿he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, 👈🏿and stood up for to read.” Luke 4:16 KJV so even if u want to say he was Lord of the sabbath he still kept it. Let’s also remember that Christ was a law keeper so the sabbath is eternal and they kept it after his ascension. C. Examples of sabbath being kept after resurrection: “And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.” Acts 13:42-44 KJV “but that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.” Acts 15:20-21 KJV “👉🏿But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:”👈🏿 Acts 24:14 KJV So not trying to overload but want to be thorough in my response.
Beautiful, I was so encouraged after listening. It’s a rare occurrence to listen leaders in our community discuss these latent problems within our Churches. The well to do’ s who have the education, job & house gotten up out of the muddy waters of the underprivilege & join hands (soTHEY) think with white brethren’s…. This discussion put balance on the issue to me. Thank you & congratulations to you all❤
Dr. BEN is the greatest teacher to •INFORM• black people about Christianity and how it relates to African history and black people. ruclips.net/video/yKENKlsovUI/видео.htmlsi=5QOEAeuVeZ2JBMJN
I can agree, but most people especially now a days don’t take that time to gain that understanding. What they see and hear throughout life becomes sufficient enough, but Lord willing they remain curious to learn, and gain this understanding. We going after that 1 not the 99, they already here they have a foundation to grow from.
@@t-rizzle0509What would have to happen to make Christianity the white mans religion. What's the criteria we use to determine who a religion comes from
@@whatshatnin4572Not saying I agree with Christianity being the “white mans religion” but the reason people call it that is because of the role that European Roman Catholics (the Portuguese and French) and White Protestants (White Americans) played in the colonization of Africa. And the buying/selling and trading of African people. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the Catholic Church was associated with French and Portuguese rule, and the various Protestant Churches were associated with the British Empire.
1) VATICAN I is CONSTANTINIAN ROMAN CATHOLICISM which came out of MITHRAISM that was called the SYNAGOGUE of SATAN because they practiced HUMAN, CHILD "sacrificial" SON-WORSHIP-Ezek 8:14-17. >>Romanism CREATED its own sects of ISLAM like MYSTIC SUFISM 2) VATICAN II is Esau is Edomite-Herodian religion is Charismatic Catholicism which is typified as "JEZEBEL" who TAUGHT the APOSTOLIC CHURCH Spiritual fornication and the Synagogue of Satan's doctrine of crucifixion Christology NICOLAITAN doctrine of SALVATION by "sacrificial" SON-WOSHIP which came from the MITHRAIC SYNAGOGUE of SATAN. They went on to CREATE, >> ISLAM and >>the COUNTER REFORMATION Prosperity gospel EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTISM like CRYSTAL(ball) CATHEDRAL of Katherine Kuhn, Bill Hyball, Kenneth Copeland, and Benny Hill 3) ORTHODOX and COPTIC CHURCH is APOSTATE APOSTOLIC CHURCH version of Christianity which CREATED, >>MAINSTREAM PROTESTANTISM like the ANGLICAN, PRESBYTERIAN, METHODIST and the BAPTIST church 4) There was NO CLASSISM in BANTU ITURI so-called "Africa" by ROmans, and there was NO COLOURISM untill the COLONIAL RAPES began to produce LIGHT SKIN children who were given ARAB and ROMAN privileges of the colonizers making LIGHT SKIN a colour of PRIOVILEGE. However, even today, there is NO PRIORITIZATION of LIGHT SKIN in BANTU ITURI except in relation to COLONIAL DISCOURSES. >>The rural BANTU has NO NOTION of LGHT SKIN as BETTER, because for BANTU people LIGHT SKIN was associated with the COLONIZERS children and therefore as children of INFIDELITY who gave birth to ALBINO children whom EVERY BANTU FEARED to have.BANTU ITURI was always A NUMERICALLY SINGULAR MONOTHEISTIC belief system NO DIFFERENT from the HEBREW conception of a SINGULAR DEITY who is the CREATOR-just like Deut 6:4; Exod 3:14; Isaiah 44:8, Isaiah 44:24; Prov 8:22-30ff; Rev 17 The BAntu THEN and NOW did not and DO NOT believe in the SEPARATION of BODY and SOUL, the person LIVED as a WHOLE BEING whose BREATH was from the CREATOR and when that BREATHE EXPIRED it did so as GAS runs out of a TANK< leading to DEATH. Therefore the DEAD was considered like AN EMPTY GAS TANK, without BREATH hence DEAD, and NO PART of it was CONSCIOUS in ANY SENSE. However the BANTU believed in the RESURRECTION "IRIÚKO" of the WHOLE PERSON like a GAS TANK refilled with GAS! 5) Supposed "African spirituality" is a product of ARAB and INDIAN TRADER cultures which believed in the SEPARATION of the BODY and SOUL giving rise to theri belief in GHOSTS, which they then WORSHIPED as "acncestral spirits" These "ancestral demon spirits" were taught to BANTU people of coastal and SAHEL(Sahara)regions who traded with the Indo-Arabs, that is why they RETAINED the ARABIC terms like MAJINI(in the WATER(maji); MAMI(mother)-WATA(water); VODOO which is a corruption of the original meaning of COMMEMORATION of the TRULY DEAD forefathers, but NOT as GHOSTS or SPIRITS but in the same way as HEBREWS remember theri FOREFATHERS)-ORISHAS are HINDU demons which were given a NIGERIAN ACCENTED pronunciation. These were accepted originally by DARKSKIN MIXED race children of INDO-ARAB children with BANTU peoples as their FATHERS or MOTHERS religions just like MAJINI and MAMI WATER were INDO-ARAB demon JINIS...and NOT BANTU ancestors by any definition, thats why the names are INDO-ARAB. The DAYS of the WEEK are all heathen NAMES; >>the god SUN day >>the goddess MOON day >>TUE-the god TIU's day >>the day of WED/DINGS day >>the god THOR'S day >>the god FRIGIUS day >>the planet SATURNS day BANTU days of the WEEK are >>wa BERE -DAY 1----------counting: ÍMúe >>wa KEERÍ-DAY2 ----------counting:Igírí >>wa GATATÚ=DAY 3----------counting:Ithatú >>wa KAANA=day 4----------counting:Inya >>wa GATANO=day 5----------counting:Ithano >>wa GATADATÚ=day 6----------counting:Ithathatú >>wa MÚGÚAJA=SABBATH----------counting:Múgúa ja >>wa KANAANA----------counting:Inyanya >>wa KEEDA----------counting:Keeda >>wa IKÚMI----------counting:Ikúmi NOTE: MÚGÚJA as the SABBATH was distinguished from the other terms all of which begin with "I or Í(ae)"because it is a SPECIAL INJUCTION to KEEP THE LAW of the MOST HIGH on that PARTICULAR SEVENTH DAY, along with KEEDA which is an INJUCTION to PROCREATE, within NINE(Keeda) MONTHS thereby ENSHRINING the FIRST TWO COMMANDS in GENESIS 1 and 2 to PROCREATE and KEEP THE SABBATH. Múfgúaja the sense of SHABAH7650-strongs concordance-a day which when the community was REMINDED to KEEP ALL THE LAWS of the MOST HIGH, lest one should FALL OUT OF THE LAW by neglecting the VOWS of the MOST HIGH, therefore a MEMORIAL DAY for the LAWS of the MOST HIGH thru REST. In BANTU culture if one BROKE PARENTAL, FAMILY of TRIBAL LAW it was said that person FELL OUTSIDE the house of the ONE who gave the command NOT TO do something or other, AND DIED, hence Múgúja is related to DEATH because of the CURSE Of DISOBEDIENCE
Lisa's comments about counterfeits really made me hit PAUSE 🔥🔥🔥🔥 im very motivated to read my Bible cover to cover after hearing that. We must seek to learn the truth ourselves from the source and that is the Word. Thank you!
I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian. In one significant way, this has largely a Western (Latin) and Protestant issue. That's not to say that Eastern Orthodox Christianity has not had ethnic or racial issues but from my purview not in the same way and scale.
@@GaryBallardToney So you saying that you guys were introduced to Christianity by Catholics? If so, That makes sense. St. Frumentius did represent The Church. Hard to get a "Saint" without dealing with Catholics.
@nickjones1314 No, in 1054, the Church split, west from the east. This is called the Great Schism. The Roman Catholic Church (Western - Latin speaking - Christianity) and Orthodox Christianity (Eastern/Byzantine - Greek speaking - Christianity). The Roman Catholic Christianity later split again in 1517 in Reformation. However, Orthodox Christianity has had a different historical trajectory and experienced oppression. So, Eastern Orthodox Christianity is not a product of Roman Catholic missionaries.
@@GaryBallardToney Ok.. I see you and where you are coming from. When i hear the phrase Orthodox Christianity, i automatically think of Ethiopia and St. Frumentius introducing a Greek style of Christianity to the Ethiopians. But i see you are talking about more modern times and scenarios. Wow.. Thats interesting. So yall have had some situations with racism as well. Thats crazy
It is complete and absolute insanity, limited intelligence, and/or out right ignorance to encourage people not to think , research, investigate, evaluate, etc. and to not question or have some realistic evidence of ANYTHING that impacts our lives. Enslavement goes beyond the physical shackles.
Our overlords figured out that it's easier to enslave the mind than the body. B people were the most impacted. Most B people believe that they are victims of W people like me. Meanwhile the violent crime rates show the opposite.
Reading your comment, Im thinking about how you had the faith to step up & fwd into what requires alot of courage & strength thru Jesus Christ. Very inspiring testimony.
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The white man did a lot of evil so did others and the white true Christian put a end to slavery and eaven died to do that but that white Christians is never honored for it
Jewish is not in the Bible
@Jude3Project I published some questions below. Could you please field them or have someone from your panel address them please and thank you.
No Blackman Bible isrealites besides it today no haveing sex with dogs
Chris must have been there
I was a member of two predominantly white churches. I went to Bible studies, volunteered, worked, served every way I could, sharing my testimony, caring for everyone. My son and I both experienced racism. Looking back I felt so unwelcomed. It was hard because I expected them to love like Jesus. To release how I felt I wrote a paper about it in college where I shared my experience and talked about what the church should look like and what Heaven will truly look like, and I received an A from a non Christian teacher at a non Christian school. I am an Alumni of a Christian University. Apologetics was my favorite class. What I found in my attendance at a Christian school at a predominantly white university was that there was a lot of worldly views and less Biblical views. I had to speak God’s word and stand strong among those who claimed to be Christians.
@Jas58271 The biblical world view provides the idea of supremacy of one set of people over others, that they can enter other people's lands and genocide them, and steal the land, that they can take any virgin that they want, after slaughtering all that she loves family etc., and destroying her home. God's chosen also are encouraged to enslave and subjugate all of the nearby nations close to the lands that they were to occupy, if those other nations offered God's chosen terms of peace, but if they wished to keep their sovereignty, slaughter and genocide them as well. Then the Bible specifically curses a whole race of people because a son saw and ridiculed his naked drunken father, Lot. The Bible tells israel to release their male slaves only after 7 years, but enslave foreigners dwelling among them, and from neighbouring nations, and they were perpetual slaves to be passed from one generation to the next. I could go on, but I won't. Where have you come across a more accurate manifesto for the colonisers, slave making nations, and racial supremacist of the world? Hasn't the church been faithful to scripture in its role in promoting slavery, colonialism, racism, and terror in the world? So how could you miss all of that. Even the story of Joseph showed how all Egyptians had land, and by the end of Joseph's tenure as Prime Minister or Treasurer of Egypt, the Israelites owned the best lands, and the Egyptians were renting land from the King, administered by Joseph.The Bible was very comprehensive in its instruction, and those lessons were learnt and implemented throughout Christendom. Africa, the America, Australia, wherever there were people of color, the curse of Ham was used to justify genocide and land theft, with church and state working hand in hand. The doctrine of discovery also enriched the Bible's message. According to that papal bull, 1452 maybe, the whites had the right to invade the lands of non-white people and claim them as their own, killing all who got in the way of the righteous sons of Japeth. This was followed by Columbus "discovering" the new world, and the genocides that followed, which also expande to Africa and other continents.
That hypocrisy is everywhere when we see that just no they do not belong to GOD and have not been BORAGAIN OF THE WATER BAP. IN JESUS CHRIST NAME AND FILLED WITH HIS POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES!!!!!❤❤❤❤ Ye shall know them by their (FRUIT)!❤
Amen
I went to a predominately white church and was treated prly very not nice ppl who said and did not right thi gs.. I was excluded my kids treated less than I finally left and on my way out they said I would go to hell if I left... lol left anyway
I'm white
@@joanneg7646it happens to people in black church to other black people. Many people live the church not due race but because Christian are not nice people.
The fact that Christians can have a gut feeling about something being wrong and STILL ignore it is CRAZY.
The truth doesn't need to be convincing. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TRUE!!!!
Now that is the actual facts 💯! Which is the true teachings of the Anointed One! Who's real name was YESHUA! And taught the same Good News and Glad Tidings of ABRAHAM! Nothing named Christianity existed until the European CONQUERORS changed his name and his teachings from the GOSPEL OF ABRAHAM ,to the teachings of White European SUPREMACY AND Black Inferiority of the So-called Christian CONQUERORS of Europe!!!, ..with the symbol of the cross ✝️!! Which had the motto of: "WITH THIS SIGN I DO CONQUER" !! THIS JESUS HAD NO INTENTION OF SAVING ANYONE! AND ENSLAVED THE ABORIGINAL BLACK NATIONS OF THE PLANET EARTH 🌏! IN JESUS NAME!
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This is true... Because MANY lies are convincing... They're STILL lies
Period.
How can a people who have been stripped of the truth be given the truth without a teacher? And how can they have a teacher unless one is sent ???... That is why ALMIGHTY GOD has always raised one from among the people who have become blind, deaf, and dumb!.. That the truth may set them free from the darkness of ignorance and FALSEHOOD!.. In the person of "WELL MADE MEN" !... THERE ARE NO SPOOKS!... SPIRITS CAN NOT PRODUCE THEMSELVES!.. SO ALMIGHTY GOD HAS ALWAYS PRODUCED A WELL MADE MAN TO MANIFEST HIS DIVINE SPIRIT, IN THE SEEN PHYSICAL REALITY OF TRUTH OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH 🌎! THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN THE TRUE WAY OF ALMIGHTY GOD! .. BUT THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR REJECTION OF GOD'S CHOICE!
Seek and you shall find... Thank you so much for this panel of amazing black Christian believers.
For what??? They just embraced white supremacy
I really can't express enough how much satisfaction I get from finally seeing, peering and being in the virtual " audience," of this type of dialogue. I just love this. This should be offered as something to go on tour in different cities. I would buy a ticket..
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@@Jude3Project Thank you. Looking into it now. 🔥
YES! Christianity is a whitemans religion. Recently, since the discoveries in Egypt, they started to imply that the people of the Bible are "BLACK". Once you trace Jesus back to Serapis, it becomes clear. The Old Testament is filled with Lombard Legend that was written BEFORE the bible was printed by Paule the Deacon. Lastly, it says the Blackfolks are cursed and they still operate from that premise!
Yes
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Ride on King JESUS! No man cannot hender me.
Wow !!! The awakening is here. My people will know who I am in their captivity!!! HalleluYah praise Abba Yah
It's Thank you Jesus. Put some respect on Jesus' name
Yes!!!! Christ is coming back for his people! 12 tribes worldwide!!!!!
@@Rhonda333So you think Jesus is greater than his father???
Why are violent crime rates higher for B on white than W on B?
@@derp8575 Because you and your people keep telling that damn lie.
My cousins a pastor.. He loves literally everyone... I dont go to church but we talk for hours about spirituality and God. He said if Ytte folks found out legit Jesus was an African man. We'd lose 75% of the Christian population...
😂 I believe that!
Jesus was Jewish
Facts
I would not care if Jesus was purple!!! But He was born a Jew. He could have been light skinned, he could have been darker but none of this matters! His skin color is not the point of the gospel
@@stephanirose6234 Interesting you dont care but proceeded to defend whatever belief you have 😭😭 You care and its very telling of your Racism... You dont believe in Jesus. Just the idea of him. You also dont read your bible lol... Bible specifically describes him as a dark skin man...
The closing statements said it all. We are who we are only because of who Jesus Christ is and always will be. We need not ever question these things. If there is ever a doubt, seek first the Kingdom of Christ and stand firm.
Wow….. that sister in the pink…..wow
1:17:23 - 1:19:08 This is the KEY to the entire discussion. If you only listen to one part, make it this one. Thank you Lisa. Without being anchored in this truth, we black Christians can become bitter, hateful, and despondent. But knowing this truth that she stated will instead fill us with peace, steadfastness, and joy because we know this world is not the end! ☺
Facts!!
She tapped into that old school preaching, no joke. It really convicted me. The reality of His love and truth
This show Guest did not make me understand why Christianity is a White Man Religion. If I was a Guest I would have Responded to the Question in a different way that the Guest that I listened to!! All of the Guest did not Respond to the question, in my opinion spoke around the Question!!
But what about how we sustained ourselves millions of years before slavery? hmm
She said it
Wheew! Been scrolling for the past hour and a half to find something that was worth listening to on RUclips! It's extremely hard to find people engaging in intelligent, thought provoking conversations nowadays on RUclips and i saw the title of this post and this was a question I've had about Christianity most of my life, 8 minutes into the video and I just know I'll enjoy what I'm about to view! Thanks, New subscriber.
Just stumbled on this platform and love the space for growth and healing your platform is creating to transform the African mind and advance the conversation. Keep up the phenomenal work!
She isn’t African
*"God has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us."* -Acts 17:26,27
Hallelujah
@@SokemRokemRobot Amen 🙏🏿 ❤️
This is a great conversation and great points were made.
I watched the Importance of Understanding Israel and I believe it's PERFECT for connecting the dots of this conversation. I HIGHLY encourage yall to watch them
When discussing this topic, we must look at the origin of "Christianity " and its relationship with black people from a historical perspective. The councels of bishops, predominantly white men under "Roman" rule that decided what words would be the word of God, would give any logical thinking person a clear understanding that Christianity in its modern state of existence is the white man's religion.
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That’s false tho, Christianity and the Bible was many in parts of Africa and Asian way before the the KJV ever came to be. The Ethiopian Bible is 800 years older than the KJV.
Not only that, Christianity was spread by former Jews who radically changed and accepted what we now call Christianity after experiencing the risen Jesus. So that’s highly inaccurate to say it’s a white man religion.
thats 100% nonsne. Ancient Romans first off were a mediterranean people and genetically similar to levantine peoples. Rome also was filled with numerous types of people and all North africans who arent white were Roman and Christian. You have literally zero idea what you are talking about.
@@lionheart5078 Exactly and Galatians sums it up well, that those that accept Christ as Lord and Savior are ONE in Him! Not just white people
Galatians 3:26-28 ESV
”for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“
@lionheart5078 with all due respect, what does your response have to do with the Roman councils of bishops being the group that manufactured the Bible. Nothing you said was in response to the point I made. Just arguing nonsense.
Very enlightening. Thanks for your research and calm to this area of justice in our world that’s so needed in the church
This was an incredible conversation. I'm so glad it came across my suggested videos! Praying i can attend this yrs conference🙏🏾🙌🏾
Yes
YES THIS SHOW THE AWARENESS OF OUR YOUTH! WHO ARE GETTING A BAD WRAP!
It's really sad to hear this about how religion is used to suppress another race. God created each of us in His image. Jesus was Middle Eastern so really hate seeing and hearing Jesus was white...He wasn't. I've lived in the Middle East, i know. Islam is used as the reason its ok to still have slaves in countries like Mauritania. Look at how domestic workers are treated in the Middle East. Even in Kenya, some Kenyans treat their domestic workers atrociously. I'm so glad I was brought up believing in the Sabbath and that everyone is equal and have stayed that way into my 50s. As you say the Roman's have a lot to do with the Vanilla colored Jesus and this sadly was made more prevalent by the Catholic church in their paintings and icons
Miss Lisa you're amazing. Thx your comment using counterfeit money was brilliant.
Exactly
Dr. Vince Bantu, is fire 🔥, self care as self love is primary because how can I really love my neighbor as I love myself but I’m not loving myself rightly!!
The first time in History the word “Christian” was used is found in the Book of Acts in chapter 11 verse 26 where it says, “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.” Prior to this time in the book of Acts, there was no specific name for those who followed Jesus Christ other than believers.
True it was used , also it was derogatory in its use for the pagans
The early followers of YESHUA (the real name of the Anointed One ),who's name was translated from the Greek name IEAOUS!!.. In Antioch, a city of a province in Turkey !!... By the Greek Jewish scholarship of Hellenist. to the name Jesus.... This same scholarship translated the Greek word Kristos to Christ, which means one who is Anointed!... The actual followers of Yeshua in Antioch call themselves "The Followers of The Way"!!!... Coming from the scriptures in the Torah or Bible in the Book of Isaiah chapter 40:verse 3 which states prepare the way of the LORD!!"... Isaiah the Prophet was also Anointed in his mother's womb before birth..... Before the name changes the other Jews called them "THE NAZARENES" !!.... The first church formed by the Apostle Peter was called "THE CHURCH OF JERUSALEM" !! The name of their teachings was also changed later, 300 years after the death of YESHUA to Christianity by the Roman Caesar Constantine! Which was a Hellenist version of JUDAISM, ...now called Christianity, .....with a image of a blonde haired, and blue eyed European named Jesus! Based on European Supremacy and Conquest !
And the followers didn't refer to themselves as Christians...Paul is just pointing it out.
Believers! I love that term opposed to a specific religion. Every religion believe in different deities or things
We were called followers of the way..
We need to be spiritually aware cause religion divides us but spirituality unite us
I was in my teenage years when black men use to walk around orange center neighborhood I grew up in. Use to walk around educating about a black Jesus I remember saying to them! "You saying Jesus is black"
They looked at me and said brother you are a king! I honestly cried
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
John 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
It’s easy to post scripture, the challenge comes when you gotta break down the context.. so what does this verse mean?
@tristankinney9077 In this verse Christ is saying that he doesn't pray for the world, as in ALL people INCLUDED....he only prays for them that the Most High gave him or sent him to. This would be Christ own people, the Israelites.
Matt. 15:24
But he answered and said, I am NOT sent BUT unto the LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE of ISRAEL.
@@dedicated22Black Christians struggle to grasp this concept because they read the Bible through their oppressors eyes and believe they are gentiles.
Amen 🙏🏿 ❤
@@tristankinney9077 its easy to see what is being said here when your brain isnt filled with the religious doctrines of those that colonized your forefathers and have violated Gods word for milleniums.
I truly enjoyed the comments I heard from the young lady & the young man before her.
Our souls are at stake. These battles that we are having are purely distractions. It’s not a black or white thing but a Jesus thing.
It’s about accepting Him as our Savior,& trusting God at His Word, made flesh to dwell among men, & following His way. The only Way,Truth& Life. All & any other way leads to eternal death & damnation.
So true. The Bible says all things are become new. For some is not. Christianity is for all people.
Very well said sister in Christ. ❤️ Being freed from the sin of slavery and slavery of sin.
My mother told us this. She said that book was a book to keep us in line
Yes it is bc it’s from God!!
What do you expect when they said here is an image of me (blond hair blue eyes ) and say worship him .
Vince Bantu is just on another level because he is authentic... he not trying to sound deep. He just is... he is down to earth and loves God.. it amazing 👏🏾.. also Lisa, as well!
The brother in the glasses made the most sense to me. Dude on the left, something about his statements felt lukewarm. The problem is that we’ve been taught inclusiveness without being allowed to learn more about our own culture. Nonetheless this is the conversations we need to be having. Love it
I said the same thing. The lighter dude in the blue button up under the blazer? If so he’s definitely lukewarm and is dropping in some confusion in his talking points
Right, he is all over the place and seems like he don't have a full understanding of the Bible or Christianity......
What is amazing to me is how everyone hears or sees things so differently. Why? Because some people are saying that the man on the left was not that good but, I happened to like what the man said on the left better. But really, this was a very good and needed conversation and for that reason alone, we should be careful and not see this as a competition of who said what better because overall, all of them had really great points and I enjoyed all of them tremendously!
@@vickijones5301I agree with you. He displayed a very clear understanding of Christianity as well as how some white people have distorted and perverted it to the detriment of our people and their own guilt before God, to which they will give an account before Him who shows no partiality.
I don’t agree with every thing he says but he actually understands the history for Christianity more then the rest of the panel if we are talking about the light skin guy to the far left .
This is so refreshing and uplifting to watch as a Malawian/ South African woman
@0:57..."a faith that can't be tested, can't be trusted"--powerful!
I am so in awe of black people. I will list our attributes. We were not given a chance of education. We were not given a level playing field or opportunities. We have been enslaved de-humanised but we have over and over shown our strength and inguinety by our sweet nature of forgiveness our ability to excel in all that is thrown at us. We are ever proving to all that we are so damn special and no wonder we are feared. Let's say we were not so persecuted and had all the same chances. What world would this be, huh. Our strength is remarkable. I sometimes feel we are not even recognizing how great a race the black race is to the point where we had to be suppressed for others to even stand a chance. I am so proud of us. Religion is damaging and is responsible for so many atrocities.
When you
Are the original creation then you were born to create
I'm reading how great Black people are but not great enough to over come White supremacy,and what about white supremacy?The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that the Blackman traveled the earth and settled on the best part of it Africa 🌍 with all the mineral wealth,so white invasion and colonization was a matter of survival because Europe doesn't have the mineral wealth,also because Whites have a genetically recessive genes which explains their zero birth rate,so intermixed with other races was necessary but we never go there in our explanations of white supremacy,exploitation,invasion and need to rule.
Thank you for your transparency.
I say it's not just about the religion it's about the relationship between us and God.i have truly tried him for myself 😊🙏
Outstanding project 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The TRUTH ALWAYS WINS OUT.
Acts 11:26 > It was in Antioch that the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
Acts 26:28 > Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian."
1Peter 4:16 > Yet if any man suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
@@carolynsteele1465 Amen 🙏🏿 ❤️
The lady on the panel summed it up perfectly with the example of counterfeit.
Fascinating discussion! I would love to see this topic expanded to include the perspective of black intellectual nonbelievers who have no invested interest in the defense of Christianity.
They would never let one of those join the panel for a discussion. It would be embarrassing for them
@@oldschool5EXTREMELY!!
@@oldschool5 , well maybe even just have a whole panel of nonbelievers so there would be less tension. But at least let the audience hear a different perspective of folks not biased by already practicing Christianity as a non white. It’s almost like the answer was already decided by everyone and now they are just telling the audience why they are right. No counter whatsoever!! Everyone has an agenda, I guess 🤷🏾
@@emusiqs5253 Yes.. thats the hard part about learning from people and especially learning from Black Christians. Dr. Bantu is already on record saying it dont matter what NEW Information he comes across, he will always push his faith. Its not about education when it comes to the Black Christian. Its about pushing their agenda. Its sad.
@@oldschool5 it’s like they want you to critically think about what they tell to, nevermind the complete other side of the coin 😂
I am so thankful that I left church since 2014 and to hear this type of conversation it really makes me happy to be alive and witness this awakening happening
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@@dondracue6831 but it helps. If you are not a descendant of Hebrew Slaves then there's no salvation for you. MATTHEW 15:24 KJV Jesus can't lie
@@dondracue6831 MATTHEW 19:17 KJV) yes you have to keep the commandments. But if you are not an Israelite, sorry
@@dondracue6831 I gave my laws Statues and Commandments unto (ISRAEL) I have not dealt so with any other nations and as of my judgment they have not known them. PSALM 147:19,20 KJV
@@dondracue6831 ACTS 5:29,30,31 KJV) JESUS died to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to ISRAEL. Not the general population. Read it for yourself
@@dondracue6831 white people were never slaves in Egypt Fact. It is impossible for them to be the chosen tribes of ISRAEL
My question is simply this: what does this have to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ, and how does this subject help me to avoid eternal hellfire?
Belief in truth will help you avoid eternal hellfire. Talk to black end hospice workers and the will tell you how whites beg black them for forgiveness for a life time of believing in a false supremacy taught to them by the church. Understanding that praying to that blue eyed blond haired portrait in your church is blasphemy. Understanding that Christianity has been tainted and rewritten for the power of the white race and understanding how it was used to commit evils to people all over the world will help you avoid eternal hellfire. You couldn't have truly listen to this conversation asking such a question.
Right
Just another preacher telling his own that they are perpetual victims. Where is his concern for B on B and B on W violent crime rates? He's just weaponizing black Christians.
People who respond this way are dismissive ignorant and insensitive!!
You must be yt, because only you would respond so foolishly because if roles were reversed you would be doing the same thing! Why are there passages that describe what the Messiah looked like Revelations 1? Look in the OT, Job 30:30, Song of Solomon 1:5&1:6?
I enjoyed this panel. They really shed some light on things. Lisa Fields is amazing! I enjoyed all of the speakers.
This present evil and Mammonocracy has little to do with Jesus Christ. ST. MATTHEW 6:24 BibleUP past Negroes of NEGROPHOBIA falling for The Okedoke{(POTUS BHO) of CHATTEL SLAVERY(BEASTIALITY?) Hoax! THE POTUKBSU
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Please also listen to the ministries of Stephen Darby. He talks indepth on white supremacy; minority community blight; and the new world order.
I was a Christian for over 40 years . In my spirit, I knew many things about that belief system was just not adding up. I quit that faith / beliefs system several years ago. I've never been freer, my mind clearer, my spirit lighter and I have proven to be healthier, mentally, emotionally and psychologically. God is a concept. And there are many belief systems having their own concept of what and who God is. I don't know. and I don't believe any living person knows. What I do know is that people feed people. People shelter people, people help people heal. We are it. We are all we have in this life. I am glad black people are at least beginning to wake up and ask questions.
Christopher Hitchens you tube debates was the genesis of me breaking free.
@@carl5438 Donald Trump was extremely instrumental of me breaking free
What you are broke free from are the concepts created by white supremacy and humans. I respect your views but I am free and living in peace and harmony as a believer. I don’t let white people think for me. I believe in Jesus , The Father and the Holy Spirit, the 3 in one God. They are ancient stories that support the biblical stories. Check out history if you can find some reference books not wash washed you will see the truth. White supremacy promotes white humans as being superior to EVERYONE including all gods. Who else thinks like that if you have read a Bible???
"We are all we have" I love it
I still on that faith because i believe, but Not in the stupidity of humanity. You just quick because your weak and low intelligence forgetting is humanity is you should question Not God. You always only sees one side of the coin and believing the lies of inferior creatures with limited inteligence and limited life calling themselves humanity like DemoNcrat party
All of the panelist were awesome. I plan on attending next year. ❤
Thanks to all panelists for engaging us in this conversation. My question is what happened to what our ancestors believed? My Mom was part American Indian and Black. Learning to praise Mother Earth, Water, Air and Each Other was and still is a part of me. Had the opportunity to go to private school where we had to study all religions and attend their services to formulate what appealed and what turned us off and why. Got a chance to see how White Colonialism is intertwined with the majority of religions. Why is what we believed in before Christianity not the norm?
You ancestors worshipping to creation instead of the creator. Is that what you want to go back to?
@@annaama3088 Yes
@@annaama3088you answering a question with a question shows you have no answer.
This kinda reminds me of Good Times. When JJ painted Jesus Black and their mom was against Jesus being painted as a Black man. It wasn't until Michael showed her that Jesus in the Bible is Black/a dark brown man. It's crazy how much she didn't want to accept that Jesus was Black. I just thought I would mention this.
Yeah an Israelite Jesus
I agree with this one brother who said Christianity is not a white man's religion. The Bible says in Matthew go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. And in Mark 16:15 the Bible says go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
AMEN
Remember the Israelites where scattered into all nations so that’s why it say teach all nation,
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. Deuteronomy 4:27 read also Deuteronomy 28:15 ,16, 32,,48,68. Christ only came for the Israelites Matthew 15:24
This was a command given to the the disciples whom would later become the Apostles to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ all over the world.
@@tellemartin7380dont come with the black isrealite thing. All creatures in mark 16:16
@@tellemartin7380 EXACTLY!!!
This was so much wisdom and a blessing to my heart and ancestry line ❤thank you all for this amazing opportunity and sharing a positive powerful testimony message to heal me and many others with questions
This needs to go viral
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The truth be told nowhere in scripture did Christ or the apostles ever teach or say that the Lords way was Christianity it's not in scripture at all. I'm not speaking about being called a Christian like they where in Antioch. Being called a Christian and calling the Lords church Christianity are two different things.. We don't like talking about the hard questions... So if it's not scripture then where did it come from..
Exactly 💯 also christ warned of a counterfeit and many christ will rise an it's clearly christianity is the dangerous counterfeit no one wants to talk about! Christianity still follows dangerous doctrine and idolatry they justify with Easter an Christmas 🎄 doesn't change God's word , christianty has made no difference between the holy and the profane
What do you mean?
@jamescarter5041 I mean Christianity is not scriptural and they never called each other that in scripture.... That's all I'm saying if you where talking to me.. Have a great day
The Bible and in particular King James version was written by King James of England so that he could use the scripture to soften the hearts of those England wanted to take their land and riches and make them her subjects for ever.
I stumbled on this channel today. I am so glad. Thank you Jesus.
This was a great video. A lot learned.
Now you can see why Yashuah said He is coming to wave His hand a second time, and He is coming to return us back to His Laws, Statues, and Commandments. Yashuah Himself will set us back on the right path ELOHIM's way is right not Religion. Yah never gave us a religion, but He gave us a personal relationship with him. And as you can see when man teach you his way of thinking man will have you all confused 😕😕🤔
Best answer. Shalom Mishpacha 👑
This was a GREAT discussion! Very on point and I loved the repentance moments ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
As a teen I realized that everyone's race was human. As I started studying the Bible I realized that color of skin was never a way that Christians and Gentiles were not defined by color. I also came to understand that before Babel everyone was together and defined by their town of birth. Using prayer in study and common sense I also found that this also was a frequent way people were defined in the New Testament. I guess people don't accept that we should not bow down nor worship idols. My race is human and my ethnicity is of African descent. And I believed that the children of Ham are the Palestinians. And to be a true Christian only one thing is required and that is to follow the teachings of Christ!
Do you believe you are brown and not black?
If you're asking about my skin, it's brown. If you're referring on how my ethnicity is referred to in this world it's black.
OMG. This is so enlightening. We, the original people are truly waking up. This information is powerful, and has reached a lot of people, and I pray that it will continue to reach many. This video validates what I have been telling family and friends, to wake up. I think that for starters we should call JESUS by his real name. The energy from his name is powerful. ❤💚💙💥
I grew up in church all my life, and I didn’t find out the truth and I was grown and took several trips to Egypt in Africa. Now that I know the truth, you couldn’t pay me to have a Bible in my home, even though I know it from front to back by heart from Sunny school even that book that’s been tampered with over here in the United States, still could not exclude the parents of the savior it tells you what His ethnicity is
You allowed the Devil to deceive you
Thank you all for these incredible truths. I sat mesmerized, listening to every uplifting voice. I am a senior with a seniors income. I can not come at the end of August, l will try to register. I don't know what the 25% off means, but l will try to get in. All the messages were powerful, l love each and every one of you. Please continue this work. You all served us breakfast, lunch, and dinner because it was food for the soul. Bless you all.
I would like to know how we can fix this problem and move forward. What do we do? I’m a white woman and women had a hard time. I think Christianity is how we get to God. Love does bring Jesus to the light. Jesus said I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. WITHOUT JESUS THERE IS NO HOPE.
White Christian women value whiteness above anything up else, including 1st and 2nd wave feminists. You’re not an ally and never will. Go worship your white magic man somewhere else
Although I knew a lot of stuff because my family upbringing. But this was refreshing. I believe this need to be taught at all black churches educational institutions classes they offer. Some leaders in the black churches do not want to acknowledge this. I will even say all churches that are truly following God's word need to share this not just black churches.🙏🤝🤲🙌
The bible said forget those things behind it does not matter now because Jesus is on his way back we way our time about the wrong thing devil like that to keep u win sold for Christ think about what we going to face Jesus here is 2023 next 2024
Now are anyone are getting SAVE so Jesus was black but we much move on now because he is a spirit on the right hand of the father in heaven what color your WORD we speak that how God is he a Word in the spirit walk in the spirit not in the fresh
It's ok to leave the church and seek new information
Us as Africans we used to communicate with our ancestors we didn’t have Christianity bringing up so when we were bringing in from slavery, basically this was forced upon us.
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
You do realize that Ethiopia was one of the first Christian countries
@@truthhearit1471White missionaries taught Christianity in Africa.
That’s why I don’t understand why black people ignore this. My boyfriend is first generation American. His relatives in Africa don’t practice Christianity.
@@truthhearit1471 Ethiopia is one region on the entire continent.
There are areas in Africa, especially South of the Equator where it was introduced through colonisation. If you read Southern African history, Henry Morton Stanely and David Livingstones accounts, they and many other explorers and missionaries were sent to not only explore but establish a way to break through the rainforest in order to colonise. And one of the methods was to set up set up schools, churches mainly teaching Christian education. And many conditions placed on chiefs in exchange for goods and services was to accept Christ first and have churches set up in their societies.
You can acknowledge that Christianity was in Ethiopia but that's not the same history as other African countries.
Many traditional African religions and practices were decimated and demonised and many Africans killed for not accepting Christianity.
Whats true for Ethiopia is not true for other countries.
I don’t know how I found this video today but I definitely know I was supposed to watch this.
May God bless everyone who participated to make this video possible.
I pray that the knowledge in this videos reaches millions so that the true wisdom and power of the Gospel of Christ be revealed on earth. 🌍
It's really nice to stick within prophetic tidings,that's monotheistic of Almighty to guide us to liberation
I pray we do not stop loving and praising God Jesus
Yes, and God and Jesus is not attached to a man made religion. We don't worship religion, we worship God.
Jesus is not God. They stated he was his son????
Jesus is made up! Piso family, Roman Catholic Church, all fabricated this lie.
JESUS is GOD.. amen Valerie✊🏾❤️
It would be nice if we called him by his proper name, YESHUA, and stop posting pictures of him as a white man when he was not white! Many people think they’re praising our Savior, but they’re worshipping Pagan Gods made up by whites! Why are we calling our Savior a name other than his actual name, and why are we omitting many facts about him and his life in the white version of the Bible, which is supposed to be a book about him? It doesn’t even mention his wife and kids…why? It’s a white washed version of YESHUA, just like everything else in this world, white re-writing of history.
And also a Black Christian with truth is Miracle Thank you Jesus for all of you and the Truth
Watch Dante Fortson Christianity is a big lie.
@@Swo76NOTICE IT IS SPREADED AND VERY PREVALENT IN AFRICA 🌍 AS WELL SO IS ISLAM.
I think we are still asking the question from the wrong perspective.
Remove the oppressor from the question and ask ourselves "if Christianity is a Black Persons religion?" Is it helping our spirits. Are we learning to love ourselves through it.
What do you mean?
I enjoyed every part of this conversation, May God bless all the speakers.
It might be a great idea to get an executive summary which highlights the key points of the various speakers.🙏
This was amazing!!!
What was amazing about it? I'd like to hear. It sounded like a racist discussion toward all white Christians as if we are all part of the KKK. these leaders should be ashamed of themselves. I never once heard any of them say that not all whites are lumped into what they are talking about.
Powerful conversation 💭
Not about fake Jesus
Interesting......question....what is the biblical basis that "color" has anything to do with Christianity? The fact that we identify churches by their "color" only elongates the core issue they are discussing.
It's much deeper than being a believer. Much deeper than that
You’d have to ignore America’s history in order to have that question…
@@ShutUpAndBump Facts
ONLY FOOLS believe the body of Christ is based on colour.
The people are the problem, how people come up with they own ideas.. smh.
This is 🔥🔥🔥
Amen I love the keeping of culture, because I’m Dominicana and I love it, I will not put it down! I feel super grateful that God made me Dominican, a make up of a variety of people.
I live in the Dominican Republic and Christianity has destroyed these folks down here. Christianity keeps several Dominicans stuck and broke and to be content with it.
@@whatshatnin4572 it’s not hard to believe, we have not read the word for ourselves and asked the spirit of God to reveal the hidden truth of it to our Hearts and faith in that way leads to a lot of miss placed belief, where we never really learn God and all that God wills for us.
@@queenesther743 I agree that a lot of Dominicans just believe what a preacher will tell them. However, in reality people should deal with facts before they deal with faith. My folks back in the States are English speaking Christians because our slave master was an English speaking Christian. Many of the Brothas down here are Spanish speaking Catholics because their slave master was a Spanish speaking Catholic. It is very difficult for a nation of people to be healthy if they have allowed their slave master to define their concept of god. The Dominican needs to apply facts before he applies faith. Kids apply faith FIRST which allows them to believe in flying reindeer. Enslaved adults apply faith FIRST which allows them to believe in talking donkeys.. But if the babies and the enslaved adults were to apply facts FIRST, they would never waste their time in accepting flying reindeer or talking donkeys.
@@whatshatnin4572 true most often the problem is that we want to believe for the miracle and God will do the miracle but it is much more beneficial to be disciplined and that’s what most humans don’t want to do.
@@queenesther743With all due respect Sir!!.. That is because we are not supposed to wait on a Mystery God who can't hear us, who can't see us, who does not feel our pain and suffering....!
We are supposed to get up and call on Him, with a sincere heart Then go to work making our Word Bond! We must humble ourselves to the nature of ALMIGHTY GOD! As stated by The Holy Anointed Prophet Isaiah stated in Chapter 40 of his book in 😅 the Torah verses 1-3 Which is the true teachings of the coming EXALTED CHRIST! Peter and his followers of Yeshua (The True Anointed One) in Antioch were known as "THE NAZARENES".. .. not Christians! They also called themselves the "FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY" as instructed by the two Holy Anointed SERVANTS OF ALMIGHTY GOD... ISAIAH AND JOHN THE BAPTIST! " MAKING STRAIGHT A HIGHWAY IN THE DESERT FOR OUR B;GOD!!.. THE TRUE GOOD NEWS AND GLAD TIDINGS OF ABRAHAM,.... LEADING TO THE PERFECTION OF ALMIGHTY GOD IN ADAM (BOTH MALE AND FEMALE) CALLED MAN! THE TRUE GOSPEL!.. PURIFIED IN THE FIREY FURNACE OF AFFLICTIONS AND UNDESERVED SUFFERING! LIKE DANIEL AND THE THREE HEBREW BOYS!
One thing that I have come to learn is that what we have been taught in America is not aligned with human history. The fact that there are faiths older than Christianity plus the fact that our planet is boasting 8 billion people approximately (living), perspective becomes more important. I’m afraid that if you’re only source of truth is the book that your oppressors placed in your path, then their plan is continuing to be successful. I agree with Lisa in her analogy of “counterfeit”. The best tip to help all people in their sojourn is to travel back (re-connect) or to support those elders who are traveling to the mother land, researching, and living truth. The word christianity is not their claims, just as it was not a claim of Jesus.
I totally agree. No one knows what was Christianity was called before white folk named it Christianity. By that reason alone, it has to be a white mans religion.
I couldn't agree more my sister. You are spot on! 🎯
Hey sister I hope you are well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would like to challenge your belief that the world is 8 billion years old. There is no such evidence for this. The claim that there are religions older then Christianity is inaccurate also. Christianity is just a name for people who follow the Messiah who was prophised to come to lead people back to the worship of the one true God. Originally man worshipped one God then over time men began to worship the spirits of their dead ancestors believing they could not approach God directly. This is a direct result of the fall of man as the bible teaches. This led to all the religions that we have today and that is why in every religion you have some kind of concept of the supreme God. I am of Yoruba descent and it is there in the yoruba traditional religion. Truly white supremacy did serious damage to our ancestors. Though Yoruba I am a descendant of an African America called Churchill Vaughan who fled southern Carolina in the 1800s and first arrived in Liberia before moving to Lagos where he eventually settled. I feel the pain of many African Americans and as Black British person I can relate some what. However let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The problem is not the bible or Christianity. The problem is how white supremacy falsely represented Christianity. The word of God itself condemns any such belief in white supremacy or any other concept of supremacy even among Jews. In fact many heros in the bible were from Africa including Obed Melech, who saved Jeremiah's life and the Ethiopian eunuch of acts 8. There is no hope in any other way except Jesus. Our ancestors were deceived to have been worshipping idols in who there is no hope. There is only hope in the living God alone who came to earth to save humanity in His incarnation as Yeshua Hamashiach. None of our ancestors' gods did such a thing. Rather, they oppressed them and forced them to do fetish things (including the sacrificing of young virgins and killing of twins that were seen as a bad omen). By the way the guys who claim the world is billions years old do so because many of them are secular humanist who have no belief in God and claim we are just material beings and that there are no spirits or souls. They have made up these strange claims about the age of the earth to justify the lie that we evolved from animals after a big bang that happened by accident. They have a skewed world view which has led to a lot of confusion in our day with people now even questioning if there is such a thing as gender. May the Lord help us and open our eyes and I say this with all due respect.
I just want to clarify that when I talk about discovering the Jewishness of Christianity I do not mean becoming Jewish. What I mean is understanding that Christainity did not begin in Europe and therefore has nothing to do with white supremacy. The cultural context of the bible is Jewish Middle Eastern. What then happens is the message and practise needs to be contextualised to which ever culture you belong to in a way that does not alter or distort the message in any way. E.g. in Nigeria music, praying and preaching are all done in a way that is uniquely Nigerian in many instances. Often even with indigenous languages and colloquialisms.
@@lanoakiwumi7589
So are you saying Christianity is older than African Spiritual systems?
Oh what a glorious day when I stumbled on this program. I have been pondering over this for a while, the Christianity brought to us is not the real one. Thank you all. .
For the fake "Christianity" in churches today, look no further than the fake apostle Paul...
Incredible. Absolutely amazing!!! Perfect timing as I endeavor to launch Black History/Black Love
I’d like to see a Hebrew Israelite have this conversation with this group.
I appreciate this conversation.
"I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land." Fredrick Douglas
Of those two, which religion does your church adhere to?
@@afterwards8233 We adhere to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ which is not a religion but a life-changing experience. Religion says that if we obey God He will love us.
The gospel says that it is because God has loved us through Jesus that we can obey.
@afterward, religion is man made. Different banners under religion is also man made. Examples of banners; Baptist, COGIC, Pentecostal. Please read
James 1:27.
@@helenahall4893 those are not banners they are denominations. I fellowship with a COGIC church, and I've served as minister of music at a nondenominational church. I believe the actual is a spiritual organization focusing its worship on God the father and our Savior Jesus Christ.
@@KingCASONIII with all due respect, the word denomination is not found in the Bible, it is man made. COGIC was founded in 1897 by Charles Harrison Mason. What did Mr. Mason know that Jesus didn't? I call denominations banners because they are names of what a man decided a church to be. Jesus did not do that so how can a man come in and direct how God's house should be, when He told us in His word. I commend you in music ministry, I write and sing only Gospel music, also. I am not trying to argue with you in this thread. I am only pointing out Jesus said there is to be no division, yet that is what church buildings do every Sunday. Please read 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.
I’m going to pray for you all God be with you and give you actual truth in Jesus Name Amen
FINALLY.....the "gospel" question ia answered RIGHT by all of them
Bravo!!!!!!! This is what we need raising the conversation having important dialog around Christianity that is cultural and current. Love to see our people speaking in their intellect and passion!!!!
True,, i would like first, to greet the blessed panel, up there. Then to, Bishop Kenneth Ulmer, i still got my diary,when you called me up, by the power of the Holy Spirit, in front of a huge congregation for accepting, Christ, as my personal saviour. It was not, easy, i must say but the holy Spirit got me out of my chair, despite my flesh resisting. Thanks. A lot. I like to say, Christianity is a Spiritual encounter with God, not any other human flesh.
Why are y’all scared to call out the Mother of Harlots? ( Roman Catholic Church!! I heard non of you put them out there as the true problem!! The system is called “ The little horn, man of sin, women riding the scarlet color beast, the cone out of her ( catholic system ) , beast out the sea, the leopard like beast, son of perdition ( pope ) etc !! And we have adopted this Sun day worship because the
A mother suggest she has children which means they will be calling out the entirety of modern christianity. Protestants don't like to admit it but they are more like Catholics than the actual religion that is in the bible.
If you can’t move on without the yt man, you can’t move on. This dependence on proximity has to stop. Until we can deal with the current reality for what it is, it will be impossible to create a new reality.
B on W violent crime rates are higher than W on B. Sadly, most B people are scared to admit the truth. Jesus will deal with liars.
How does the religion that helped in allowing our ancestors to be enslaved be ok?
Thank you. It doesn’t that’s why I don’t know why black people entertain Christianity. African people didn’t practice Christianity until it was forced upon them.
That’s just it ….it’s not OK
That's what I'm tryna figure out 😏
It's religion THAT enslaved anyone it's wrong headed individuals. 😢
It's interesting how its stated that white supremacy started since Constantine in the Roman Empire. The Romans didn't see themselves as necessarily white or European, but Roman. There were many ethnicities in the Roman Empire stretching from dark skin to light skin. The Romans viewed people in Northern Europe as an other who were barbarians. I think Christianity became more European as Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa. A lot of Christianity was eliminated in North Africa and the Middle East thus, except for a few other places, making Europe the bastion of Christianity.
The concept of a white race didn't even exist in the time of Constantine, not to mention the common mistake that Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire. And yes the Roman empire was multi-ethnic, by the 3rd century AD all territories of the empire were considered Romans.
It's also correct that as Islam started gaining greater influence in Africa, and the middle east and parts of Asia Christianity did become isolated in Europe. Everywhere outside of Europe by the 13th century AD Christianity was present but always a minority (with the exception of Ethiopia) this was of course until the colonial era which has made Africa the center of Christianity in the modern day.
This is a beautiful conversation. I am as you describe, white. We need to have this type of decisions in out churches, both black and white.Christianity began black, that is what I am trying to help christians to come to terms with this fact. I appreciate your spirit, your mindsets and intellectual conversations. This is a move of God
How did Christianity begin black. And we need to be specific if we are to have these conversations. There are several different type of Africans who were introduced to Christianity in different ways at different times. Black Folks in America and in the Caribbean were introduced to Christianity by European Christian slave masters. So we should not try to lump all Africans together when it comes to their introduction to Christianty.
Christianity is without a doubt a white man's religion!! Christianity and it's denominations are created by those white men! There is no getting around it. Try as you may to camouflage this false religion but we who know the scriptures know Christianity works against God in every way. You not gonna pull that small time crap on us! We know who we are according to the scriptures Deuteronomy 28:15-68 to be precise.
@@oldschool5The origins of Christianity wasn't started in European culture. In the conversation it was mentioned about the different nations in Africa already practicing Christianity before it made it to Europe. The problem is that so many different religious sects has been packaged as true Christianity, but it's really false doctrines(heretics ). Catholicism was practice in white nations, which believed the letter and practice a lot of pegan behaviors. The "pilgrim " left England to practice Christianity in the "new World". They were ignorant to the spiritual side of Christianity, that's why they developed their own rules and understanding when trying to practice Christianity. The proof is in the brutality that was implemented at their hands. Ignorance breeds hate and hate is manifest through brutality. They liked to barrow from other cultures including religions. King James only translated the Bible into English, he did not write it. The enslaved wouldn't have been controlled by religion if they had not been familiar with Christ.
Jesus Saves all that desire to know him .🙏
Christianity began black is stupid as it began white. It don't say anywhere in Christianity exactly what race Jesus Christ was now does it? No it don't, because it doesn't matter. If it did it would say so. If some people had it their way the Bible would say God made white man, or God made black man, but it don't, it just says God made man. It don't say god made white woman, it don't say God made black woman. It just says God made woman. Matter fact that just became my favorite part about the Bible. It don't specify skin color. It specify poor people and rich people. It specifies, good and evil. It says do not kill each other. It says to love one another. Jesus forgive thy heart.
God bless thy soul
It’s started in Armenia
I am inspired by these intelligent, well-spoken,articulate knowledgeable black religious men.
Just like all the other well spoken individuals , they just want tell you the real truth behind this Bible , Jesus stuff ,so sad for our people suffering from this crime against your conscious
Labeling a fully grown adult African American male as " well spoken, articulate,and knowledgeable is ole Massa Mordecai telling his buck that he's a good boy!
I have continued to ask the same questions and nobody gives and answer or supports there position with scriptures:
2. In order to serve God and worship him and spirit and truth do I need to be in Christianity????
3. Who did God make a covenant with a people or a religion???
4. Is Jesus the originator of the religion of Christianity and is that what he taught???
5. Are the tenants of Christianity of today the same at messianic believers practice in biblical times???
6. Is the Bible a Christian book??
7. Who is the new covenant to???
8. Who is the mediator of new covenant???
9. Does Christianity have laws or do they get there laws from the Bible???
@jtpreacher5892
1. It's not about what church you attend it's about the teachings of Christ.
Christ is God in the flesh teaching men how to walk the way God wants them to walk.
God became a man so that man might become like God.
2. God made a covenant with people, the Israelites.
And the Bible says in John 1 that "He came to His own (Jews/Israelites) but they did not receive Him so to anyone who receives Him He has given the power to become children of God.
3. Jesus founded the church, He did not found Catholicsm
4. If it's not in the OT it won't be in the NT. What Jesus taught is not different than what the prophets taught.
But when it comes to certain things He also changed them because He has the power to do so.
Such when it comes to the Sabbath
4. The Bible is for everyone, but it can only be understood by those who actually have a relationship with Christ.
The Bible says that without the spirit of God we cannot understand it because it is by the Spirit that the words were written.
5. The Mediator of the New Covenant is Christ.
6. Follow God & let Him teach you
@@viviennebaptiste let’s address each pointer one at a time, so if u believe that Christ is God then u also have to believe that Christ the God gave the laws to Moses Deu 4:5-9.???
@@viviennebaptiste 2. You jump to John 1 to say that Israelites is not the covenant people, but the covenant with Israel is everlasting.
“And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, And to Israel for an everlasting covenant:”
Psalm 105:10 KJV
“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
Isaiah 55:3 KJV
“and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.”
Jeremiah 32:40 KJV
Now I’m doing this because no scriptures was given to support your position.
@@viviennebaptiste 3 messiah founded the church, well how could he do that if the church had been existence even before he was born:
“This is he, 👉🏿that was in the church in the wilderness 👈🏿with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:”
Acts 7:38 KJV
ekklēsia: the assembly of the Israelites
“Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”
Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
So that’s the proper perspective of looking at the term church and if you go to Matthew 16 it’s the same term and u know it harmonizes due to him questioning his disciples on who he was and the relation him to the fact of Tanakh.
@@viviennebaptiste so let’s deal with one aspect did messiah change the sabbath and are there scriptures to support the simple answer is no.
A. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
B.“And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, 👉🏿he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, 👈🏿and stood up for to read.”
Luke 4:16 KJV so even if u want to say he was Lord of the sabbath he still kept it. Let’s also remember that Christ was a law keeper so the sabbath is eternal and they kept it after his ascension.
C. Examples of sabbath being kept after resurrection:
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”
Acts 13:42-44 KJV
“but that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.”
Acts 15:20-21 KJV
“👉🏿But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:”👈🏿
Acts 24:14 KJV
So not trying to overload but want to be thorough in my response.
Beautiful and enlightening dialogue that is very timely 🙌🏿👏🏿🙏🏿
Beautiful, I was so encouraged after listening. It’s a rare occurrence to listen leaders in our community discuss these latent problems within our Churches. The well to do’ s who have the education, job & house gotten up out of the muddy waters of the underprivilege & join hands (soTHEY) think with white brethren’s….
This discussion put balance on the issue to me.
Thank you & congratulations to you all❤
Dr. BEN is the greatest teacher to •INFORM• black people about Christianity and how it relates to African history and black people.
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You dont understand Christianity if your asking this question
True. I think ppl who haven't read the bible fall into these mental traps.
I can agree, but most people especially now a days don’t take that time to gain that understanding. What they see and hear throughout life becomes sufficient enough, but Lord willing they remain curious to learn, and gain this understanding. We going after that 1 not the 99, they already here they have a foundation to grow from.
It’s actually a fair question, but it’s certainly not the white man religion.
@@t-rizzle0509What would have to happen to make Christianity the white mans religion. What's the criteria we use to determine who a religion comes from
@@whatshatnin4572Not saying I agree with Christianity being the “white mans religion” but the reason people call it that is because of the role that European Roman Catholics (the Portuguese and French) and White Protestants (White Americans) played in the colonization of Africa. And the buying/selling and trading of African people. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the Catholic Church was associated with French and Portuguese rule, and the various Protestant Churches were associated with the British Empire.
This conversation has helped me more firmly ground my faith an ethnicity... In unity.
1) VATICAN I is CONSTANTINIAN ROMAN CATHOLICISM which came out of MITHRAISM that was called the SYNAGOGUE of SATAN because they practiced HUMAN, CHILD "sacrificial" SON-WORSHIP-Ezek 8:14-17. >>Romanism CREATED its own sects of ISLAM like MYSTIC SUFISM
2) VATICAN II is Esau is Edomite-Herodian religion is Charismatic Catholicism which is typified as "JEZEBEL" who TAUGHT the APOSTOLIC CHURCH Spiritual fornication and the Synagogue of Satan's doctrine of crucifixion Christology NICOLAITAN doctrine of SALVATION by "sacrificial" SON-WOSHIP which came from the MITHRAIC SYNAGOGUE of SATAN. They went on to CREATE,
>> ISLAM and
>>the COUNTER REFORMATION Prosperity gospel EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTISM like CRYSTAL(ball) CATHEDRAL of Katherine Kuhn, Bill Hyball, Kenneth Copeland, and Benny Hill
3) ORTHODOX and COPTIC CHURCH is APOSTATE APOSTOLIC CHURCH version of Christianity which CREATED,
>>MAINSTREAM PROTESTANTISM like the ANGLICAN, PRESBYTERIAN, METHODIST and the BAPTIST church
4) There was NO CLASSISM in BANTU ITURI so-called "Africa" by ROmans, and there was NO COLOURISM untill the COLONIAL RAPES began to produce LIGHT SKIN children who were given ARAB and ROMAN privileges of the colonizers making LIGHT SKIN a colour of PRIOVILEGE. However, even today, there is NO PRIORITIZATION of LIGHT SKIN in BANTU ITURI except in relation to COLONIAL DISCOURSES.
>>The rural BANTU has NO NOTION of LGHT SKIN as BETTER, because for BANTU people LIGHT SKIN was associated with the COLONIZERS children and therefore as children of INFIDELITY who gave birth to ALBINO children whom EVERY BANTU FEARED to have.BANTU ITURI was always A NUMERICALLY SINGULAR MONOTHEISTIC belief system NO DIFFERENT from the HEBREW conception of a SINGULAR DEITY who is the CREATOR-just like Deut 6:4; Exod 3:14; Isaiah 44:8, Isaiah 44:24; Prov 8:22-30ff; Rev 17 The BAntu THEN and NOW did not and DO NOT believe in the SEPARATION of BODY and SOUL, the person LIVED as a WHOLE BEING whose BREATH was from the CREATOR and when that BREATHE EXPIRED it did so as GAS runs out of a TANK< leading to DEATH. Therefore the DEAD was considered like AN EMPTY GAS TANK, without BREATH hence DEAD, and NO PART of it was CONSCIOUS in ANY SENSE. However the BANTU believed in the RESURRECTION "IRIÚKO" of the WHOLE PERSON like a GAS TANK refilled with GAS!
5) Supposed "African spirituality" is a product of ARAB and INDIAN TRADER cultures which believed in the SEPARATION of the BODY and SOUL giving rise to theri belief in GHOSTS, which they then WORSHIPED as "acncestral spirits" These "ancestral demon spirits" were taught to BANTU people of coastal and SAHEL(Sahara)regions who traded with the Indo-Arabs, that is why they RETAINED the ARABIC terms like MAJINI(in the WATER(maji); MAMI(mother)-WATA(water); VODOO which is a corruption of the original meaning of COMMEMORATION of the TRULY DEAD forefathers, but NOT as GHOSTS or SPIRITS but in the same way as HEBREWS remember theri FOREFATHERS)-ORISHAS are HINDU demons which were given a NIGERIAN ACCENTED pronunciation. These were accepted originally by DARKSKIN MIXED race children of INDO-ARAB children with BANTU peoples as their FATHERS or MOTHERS religions just like MAJINI and MAMI WATER were INDO-ARAB demon JINIS...and NOT BANTU ancestors by any definition, thats why the names are INDO-ARAB.
The DAYS of the WEEK are all heathen NAMES;
>>the god SUN day
>>the goddess MOON day
>>TUE-the god TIU's day
>>the day of WED/DINGS day
>>the god THOR'S day
>>the god FRIGIUS day
>>the planet SATURNS day
BANTU days of the WEEK are
>>wa BERE -DAY 1----------counting: ÍMúe
>>wa KEERÍ-DAY2 ----------counting:Igírí
>>wa GATATÚ=DAY 3----------counting:Ithatú
>>wa KAANA=day 4----------counting:Inya
>>wa GATANO=day 5----------counting:Ithano
>>wa GATADATÚ=day 6----------counting:Ithathatú
>>wa MÚGÚAJA=SABBATH----------counting:Múgúa ja
>>wa KANAANA----------counting:Inyanya
>>wa KEEDA----------counting:Keeda
>>wa IKÚMI----------counting:Ikúmi
NOTE: MÚGÚJA as the SABBATH was distinguished from the other terms
all of which begin with "I or Í(ae)"because it is a SPECIAL INJUCTION to KEEP THE LAW of the MOST HIGH on that PARTICULAR SEVENTH DAY, along with KEEDA which is an INJUCTION to PROCREATE, within NINE(Keeda) MONTHS thereby ENSHRINING the FIRST TWO COMMANDS in GENESIS 1 and 2 to PROCREATE and KEEP THE SABBATH.
Múfgúaja the sense of SHABAH7650-strongs concordance-a day which when the community was REMINDED to KEEP ALL THE LAWS of the MOST HIGH, lest one should FALL OUT OF THE LAW by neglecting the VOWS of the MOST HIGH, therefore a MEMORIAL DAY for the LAWS of the MOST HIGH thru REST. In BANTU culture if one BROKE PARENTAL, FAMILY of TRIBAL LAW it was said that person FELL OUTSIDE the house of the ONE who gave the command NOT TO do something or other, AND DIED, hence Múgúja is related to DEATH because of the CURSE Of DISOBEDIENCE
Lisa's comments about counterfeits really made me hit PAUSE 🔥🔥🔥🔥 im very motivated to read my Bible cover to cover after hearing that. We must seek to learn the truth ourselves from the source and that is the Word. Thank you!
It is common to take on the religion and language of the country that colonized you.
I learned a new way of looking at Christianity thanks for this intellectual conversation
I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian. In one significant way, this has largely a Western (Latin) and Protestant issue. That's not to say that Eastern Orthodox Christianity has not had ethnic or racial issues but from my purview not in the same way and scale.
You guys were introduced to Christianity by European missionaries and we were introduced to Christianity by European slave masters.
@@nickjones1314 Not at all. You seem to have that confused with Roman Catholicism (the Christian West).
@@GaryBallardToney So you saying that you guys were introduced to Christianity by Catholics? If so, That makes sense. St. Frumentius did represent The Church. Hard to get a "Saint" without dealing with Catholics.
@nickjones1314 No, in 1054, the Church split, west from the east. This is called the Great Schism. The Roman Catholic Church (Western - Latin speaking - Christianity) and Orthodox Christianity (Eastern/Byzantine - Greek speaking - Christianity). The Roman Catholic Christianity later split again in 1517 in Reformation. However, Orthodox Christianity has had a different historical trajectory and experienced oppression.
So, Eastern Orthodox Christianity is not a product of Roman Catholic missionaries.
@@GaryBallardToney Ok.. I see you and where you are coming from. When i hear the phrase Orthodox Christianity, i automatically think of Ethiopia and St. Frumentius introducing a Greek style of Christianity to the Ethiopians. But i see you are talking about more modern times and scenarios.
Wow.. Thats interesting. So yall have had some situations with racism as well. Thats crazy
I enjoyed what each of you have said Lisa Fields You’re so right according to Scripture! Thank all of you for enlightening us
Great teaching, thank you.
That’s why we Look to God for the truth.
Amen!
Is your love truth, is it true that B on W violent crime rates are higher per capita than W on B? Remember, Jesus hates liars.
It is complete and absolute insanity, limited intelligence, and/or out right ignorance to encourage people not to think , research, investigate, evaluate, etc. and to not question or have some realistic evidence of ANYTHING that impacts our lives. Enslavement goes beyond the physical shackles.
Our overlords figured out that it's easier to enslave the mind than the body. B people were the most impacted. Most B people believe that they are victims of W people like me. Meanwhile the violent crime rates show the opposite.
Reading your comment, Im thinking about how you had the faith to step up & fwd into what requires alot of courage & strength thru Jesus Christ. Very inspiring testimony.
Brother on the far left and the young lady are on point..