Matt Chandler: From Woke to Broke
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In a recent interview with Lecrae, Matt Chandler talks about politics, celebrity pastors, mega churches, and ministry. He seems older, more haggard, exhausted from the last few years. He's not the young vibrant Matt Chandler from pre-2020. Jon examines why Chandler's tone and posture have changed even though his perspectives don't seem to have. Jon then critiques Chandler's theology and challenges the soteriology and public theology that seems to undergird both Matt Chandler and organizations like The Gospel Coalition and Acts29.
From about 2010 to 2015 I llistened to Chandler about everyday. Right up until the MLK stuff. Haven't listened to him in years now, outside of just seeing random clips here and there. I've heard him, Voddie and Piper preach more than anyone. So, although I won't be going back to his teaching, I'll always want to see him turn and use his platform more effectively.
Last month, I took my family to the beach - Orange Beach, AL. It was our anniversary so the grandparents kept the kids for a night and we went to dinner. We ran into Matt Chandler and his family. He was unbelievably gracious and approachable. Took real time to talk with us, and then on their way out his entire family stopped by our table to say hey.
I'm not taking up for him or promoting his teachings. Just hoping that the Lord will point him back down the right path.
What was the MLK stuff?
Grace abounds. May God draw is all to repentance. I am reminded of Paul asking for John Mark at the end of his life.
Can you please consider starting to put timestamps on your videos? It would really improve the overall experience.
I lost all respect for Matt Chandler after he recorded his "white privilege" video. He said he never studied black history when he was in school, and he said TV shows were predominantly white when he was growing up. That's struck me as odd, because I was in the third grace when Black History Month was first instituted, and I remember several TV shows with racially diverse and predominantly black casts. Here are some examples:
“Sesame Street” - 1969
“The Electric Company” - 1971
“Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids” - 1972
“The Flip Wilson Show” - 1970
“All in the Family” - 1971
“Sanford and Son” - 1972
“Chico and the Man” - 1974
“Good Times” - 1974
“That’s My Mama” - 1974
“Barney Miller” - 1975
“The Jeffersons” - 1975
“Welcome Back, Kotter” - 1975
“What’s Happening!” - 1976
If Matt Chandler were older than I, his comments might make sense, but he is eight years younger. Many of these shows were on TV before he was even born. Is his memory that bad, or did he simply lie?
I’m almost Chandler’s age and there’s The Cosby Show, Fresh Prince, A Different World, Family Matters, Hanging with Mr Cooper, Roc, Different Strokes, Webster, and In Living Color. All watched in our “white” household.
And that’s not including Oprah, 227, Martin, Steve Harvey Show, Keenan & Kel, Moesha, etc, etc.
@@Adam-yf3ss Absolutely!
@@worshambaptist4177 I don't think he said TV shows were predominantly white; I think he said that blacks essentially had no significant presence on TV when he was a child, and that is colossally false
@@conceptualclarity Same thing. Either way, it was a whopper.
Totally agree with you. I left the Chandler circle after I realized what a racist he really is/was/etc. He was finding a way to project his racism onto his "privilege". I am older as well and couldn't stop laughing at this video when it landed.
As a Hispanic who has experience from both sides of lifestyle, i think its non sense what chandler is talking about. All the race woke stuff is just wrong. When i had a victim mentally it was sinful and just laziness. To give that any type of virtuee is just wrong and really bad to teach the church this non sense. Thinking like him will never let people find real solutions.
I agree with what you’re saying. I’d add that the kind of thinking that Matt Chandler is promoting will never lead to true freedom and peace that we have in Christ.
I agree with you fully! It’s total nonsense! Jesus never spoke about this! He only spoke about the kingdom of God and how to know Him more, to be born again. Never did he speak of the color of one’s skin and how a certain group (white skin) needs to “rectify” themselves because of how God chose to make us a certain color! It’s all nonsense!!!
Maybe you shouldn't universalize your own experience while denying everyone elses'?
@@marksequeira2757 I lived among it, I know the lifestyle, I lived it and was blind. Christ is the way and not some stupid Marxist 🐂💩. I was a bleeding heart liberal. I held the victim mentally for half of my life. I reach out to people in the hood. I have seen the gospel of Christ set them free. Not catering to their victim mentally. The same mentality Adam has when he sinned. Stop it.
@@marksequeira2757it is God who gives life. Maybe you shouldn’t deny the power of God in mankind’s lives.
Chandler says he is ignoring the far left and far right. 'They're too set in their ways I'm Not going to win them etc.'. Mmm... I don't recall the apostle Paul instructing believers to only go after the low hanging fruit. That statement flies in the face of the gospel message.
I went to a Gospel Coalition conference in Chicago a few years ago. It was obvious to me that these people were compromised even back then. Mark Dever was there. He sounded more like a guy who was interested in building a megachurch than a guy who was interested in preaching the pure Gospel and the whole counsel of God.
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. (Acts 20:27 KJV)
We went to bus church back in 2013 and 2014. He was in fire for the Lord and his sermons left me challenged, convicted, and encouraged. It’s sad to see how much he’s gotten wrapped up in social justice and political nonsense.
Matt Chandler tried to be a pastor and a sociologist at the same time.
@@DanielBShaw and it is really really BAD Marxist sociology
Sort of failed at both.
I loved chandler. Listened to him every week. He led me to Reformed theology. I went home to Dallas after college and tried to join the Village church. (Tried because they kept denying my membership.) it wasn’t until the Dallas riots that it was clear who he was. I started backing away from Chandler and TVC.
I’m glad I did. I avoided the full bore SJ Gospel movement at tvc.
Why did they keep denying your membership?
@@jkid8948I still don’t know why. It was always “Next month well get back to you.” Next month never came.
Why was your membership denied?
Same question, why was your membership denied?
Sah dude. How come your membership was denied
At 1:00:14 to hear Matt chuckle at “Just preach the Gospel” is so grotesque and heartbreaking that it reminds me when you hear people say “Jesus Christ” as swearing or cursing. Unbelievable!
Man these clips have aged so poorly. Especially that first one about the "invisible bag of privilege." So out of touch... both with the people and the Gospel.
Chandler has been all in on environmentalism and social justice being included in the gospel from the beginning.
Chandler was a spiritual father for me until he started pushing social justice. By then, I had matured enough to see the false teaching in that. Hoping he repents.
What did he say that was false?
@@jcrhea001it’s in the video.
@@samueljimenez7420 Do you have a specific timecode? Because otherwise I'm not going through the video and giving this guy any more of my time. While I don't agree with Chandler's use of "white privilege" I've listened to many of his sermons on racial reconciliation. He doesn't understand Biblical and people who claim otherwise are more anti woke than pro Jesus and as a result cannot properly identify woke.
@@jcrhea001 I’m not going to go through an entire video for you to get you a time stamp. I don’t see a need to have to qualify with every condemnation of the woke that you have to be pro-Jesus. I am anti-woke BECAUSE I am pro-Jesus. Usually folks who are woke or agree to some woke things start the conversation with define woke. Which of course, the definition gets changed always so people who are woke can pretend they’re not woke. As a person who used to be woke, I’m not fooled by this line of reasoning.
@@samueljimenez7420 suit yourself but what's just as likely is that people who are anti woke will call anything they don't like woke. Being pro Jesus should mean avoiding the distractions that these things lead to
Great stuff, Jon. Have to disagree about Lecrae, though. His constant “hmm” “oh” “ah” “oOooO” “yeah” was intolerably amateurish. He should take notes from you about how to interview people.
Lecrae is a joke. He continues to try to marry Jesus to the culture. Many still consider him to be a wise Christian. 🤦🏾♂️
I confess that, from day one, I've been at unease with Matt Chandler, just based on his body language. There is just, shall we say, a "quality" about the man, and it continues to make me uncomfortable. I admit it's just my impression, but it's my impression, nonetheless.
I know what you mean but cannot accurately articulate it.
I know what you mean. For me it’s the whiny voice and the hands in his front pockets. He’s adopted that “thing” that a lot of the pastors are doing instead of being himself.
I think it is the effect of effeminate, excitable gestures and whatever charismatic woo woo he’s got going on.
To me he comes off as unsure of himself and shaky. It may be connected to the father problems-a lack of security in his identity.
Agreed. Something about the way he speaks makes me very uncomfortable. There is a certain style of public speaking that sounds like Justin Trudeau in a grade 9 acting class. Many “preachers” today all seem to have attended the same Joel Olsteen public speaking acting class.
I listened to the entire podcast and he never struck me as being tired
They make social issues the second gospel so that Jesus & the Good News is not enough! Heretical thinking for sure
42:05 sounds like David Platt was one of the most corrosive American church figures of the century. I remember around 2010 or so when Radical came out, my pastor was enthralled by it and actually taught from it on three Sunday mornings in a row. All I remember was how deeply repelled I was about somebody putting out a book that is supposed to be about Jesus and following Jesus and giving it this title, which was a word deeply associated with such profoundly ungodly people. Immediately I felt greatly suspicious that David Platt must be a stalking horse for the evangelical Left and it turns out I was quite correct.
Matt doesn’t sound whiny in his regular voice, but when he preaches he adopts a whiny voice that I can’t listen to.
Same
Up there with guys like Francis Chan
Whenever Chandler talks, you never hear Scripture or critical thinking.
Everything Matt Chandler says is so vague or trite. There's never a reference to a specific story, there's never details, no names, dates. There's no way to disagree with him that way.
55:45 With the exception of the reference to 2 political topics he saw hypocrisy, but he doesn't even explain exactly what their stance was.
To be honest, I would be exhausted too if I were Matt Chandler. Even listening to his unending nondescript nuance is exhausting.
“Lean into” “brokenness”-still the same squish, effeminate evangelical terms.
Excellent point about people who do not want to put the time and effort into thinking and want to "be fed." This is exactly what is happening within the church with respect to church.
Gosh, even looking at that ACTS 29 panel makeup is depressing. At one point I followed almost every one of them. But about 2018, even before “the crazy” I realized that Chandler did not preach expositoraly! He would “sort of kind of” go through books of the Bible but only land on certain verses and then make a case for his preaching point. Everything began to sound alike. I had to apologize to many whom I had following me in listening to him regularly.
Sometimes people say eschalotology doesn't matter. That's nonsense. It matters very very much.
What is the Kingdom of God ?
Different parts of Christianity have vastly different conceptions of the Kingdom. I like what my pastor says, "we're not saved by good works, we're saved for good works". In as much as our sanctification is part of the gospel the gospel is larger than conversion and the project of evangelism. So, what is the definition of "gospel" precisely ? Surely we all agree that Christians, true regenerate Christians, will do good works. Moreover, if we love Him we will keep his commandments and Christ came to fulfill the law not to abandon it.
Certainly there has been an abuse of the term gospel by the woke, but there is also a danger to limit the Kingdom work to the church. Surely it is larger than that. Back to my original comment. Eschatology actually matters very much in terms of what our expectations of ourselves and the church ought to accomplish. All of Christ for all of life... now ? Or later ?
I agree that eschatology matters greatly. It seems there are a lot of evangelical churches that won’t touch the topic because they see it as two divisive and bad for business. I just don’t see how we cant talk about something that Jesus talked so much about. “Kingdom now” theologies are dangerous because they unknowingly usher in the society and government that is to be the antichrist’s (in-place-of-Christ). And setting people up for that deception. If you think we’re currently in the millennium, it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Prophecy and eschatology and ecclesiology all help fix a broken hermeneutic, and get us in line with God’s program.
Thanks for pointing me to the interview. I went and watched the whole thing. Great interview. Godly insights. Chandler is humble and wise, unwilling to let power go to his head or to let political ideologies replace his Ephesians 4 mandate! POWERFUL recommendations from Chandler to 1. be transparent with a group of real men in your real church AND 2. shepherd your flock, ignore the noise. Noise like you shared in this video. Shame on you for saying he sounded tired and broken and for slandering his church and family with unfounded accusations. This is NOT the way of Christ. And to Christ you will give account, not to your RUclips followers. To the rest of you, Please go listen to the full Lecrae interview and decide for yourself. Christianity must not be an echo chamber.
John Macarthur describes Antinomianism theology as a type of legalism because it is still a theology based the believer's relationship with the law - specifically an opposition to the law.
That's insightful, so antinomianism is ironically legalistic!
Everything Chandler says is extremely ambiguous. I can barely understand what he is trying to say. Imagine Paul writing to the church using phrases as: looking to reach others while and at the same time never overwhelming the spirit of truth by horizontally despite the elements of the gospel. What 😮 ?
I think the problem is that talking about race stuff leads to very ambiguous talk unless you give clear examples, and even then, the examples might be very subjective.
Chandler used to be a clear speaker, when he focused on Jesus. ruclips.net/video/bLgIecL1IdY/видео.htmlsi=26MWW-AH7R2X-8tS
Jon, I hope you do get to talk to Joe Boot. Maybe invite him on your podcast. It would be a great conversation.
Matt spoke at the 2010 GCR SBC in Orlando with shaved head and brain cancer at 36. Shocking, he made it.
i never could listen to chandler. way too effeminate
He's not remotely effeminate
@@jcrhea001 lol
@@billybob-wx2re how am I wrong?
My friends and I used to drive down to the DFW area on a Saturday evening and attend his services in the early 2000's, big changes in that church over the years
John - you should consider writing out your monologues before recording. It would squeeze a lot of air out of your monologues and greatly increase your signal-to-noise ratio.
First time I’ve listened to this content creator and when I first read this comment I thought “ohhh a bit harsh” but yeah, especially when coming up to a video section it was a little frustrating. Even though the overall podcast is fantastic👍
I live just a few blocks from hus church in Flower Mound Tx. I attended his church for awhile but found aspects of his teaching problematic. Left and joined another. His issues stem from his belief in RT and wokeness. So sad to see this regression. Also, problem is Matt is walking in false humility. His reasoning and starting point is faulty.
Most of the Pastors I know who posted the black square, “Did Not” post a word about Roe being overturned. I will be checking so I don't want to guess, but if I were a betting man...
53:45 Matt, you're not that profound and your insinuation that other Christians are tribal if they don't agree with your virtue signaling is not profound either.
21:17 Wow! That's straight ups CRT baptized in Christian language. He even did the "invisible knapsack".
I have questions for people who think Matt Chandler used to be good. What did you ever see in him? I have not seen spiritual or intellectual depth, just personality and a lot of waving of hands and arms. Is there much evidence that he was ever not politically progressive and not allowing his theology to be warped by that?
I used to listen to his sermons from afar every week around 2008-2010.
He would preach through books of the Bible. He was great. Trying to get people to hear the Gospel and repent of their sins. He preached in a way that made you want to love and follow Jesus.
But I stopped as I found other people to listen too. And what I heard after 2020 was just not the same. The focus was different.
His two best video clips are Jesus Wants The Rose and Seven Miles. Type those in YT with his name. Passionate for truth.
seven miles ruclips.net/video/rLG5rDyDDPw/видео.htmlsi=Ih91nGci5OUhcBn4
Jesus wants the rose ruclips.net/video/bLgIecL1IdY/видео.htmlsi=26MWW-AH7R2X-8tS
When your sufficiency is in degrees it cannot be in Christ. Sad.
All the guys on that panel were filled with hate. Especially that one guy's mother. Imagine the reverse situation.
Where are all these people that looked like Matt Chandler at today?
I only know one thing about Matt Chandler. Every time I've ever heard him say anything about anything, I've always wanted to throw up.
I've been to church off and on since I was a kid. I went to what's now called The Woodlands Church in Texas with Kerry Shook. One day, they locked us in the cafeteria of my school and passed the plates again because, the tithe wasn't up to their expectations and told us that they would keep us in there passing the plates until we got it right. The youth pastor had us singing Sweet Home Alabama like it was the theme song of the service and we played games that included a crossdressing relay race that you put clothes on top of your clothes. There's so much other stuff that's wrong. I left the church and went to another one that had us getting saved in the youth service every Friday night because of Mathew 5:48 and us messing up all the time. I was told that if I messed up too many times, God would give up and I wouldn't be saved again. I was so sickened by my experiences that my stomach turned in the Bible section of the book store.
In my late 20s, I started at one church in Los Angeles that was going south because, the female pastor tried to date me. I saw Mark Driscoll on TV and was interested in what he was saying about marriage. It started an intensive study on biblical and womanhood that I went through for months just reading books and listening to sermons from different Acts 29 pastors. I also went to an Acts 29 church in Los Angeles (that fell apart when it was relatively young). I'd been told by my mom that the Bible was written by 46 men who hated women and I liked what I was hearing. My dad was absent quite a bit as I grew up because, he was hiding from my mom's rages. I think that's what sucked me into pastors like Mark Driscoll. He's been very loud and aggressive towards the men that he teaches about women. I mistook it as passionate about being a good man. I went to a The Village church campus when I moved and I've been to an Acts 29 church in Nashville, TN and Washington, DC (that sells Woke Church)llll
It makes complete sense that Acts 29 has pastors with problems with their dads. There were a couple of services for the time slot that I was at The Village Church that had a good mix of ages. I've noticed that there's a trend of the Acts 29 attendees mostly being in their 20s. There are noticeably less in their 30s. There aren't as many people attending with their parents as there are in other churches. There are less and less attendees as they get older. I think it's because, they're not as concerned about older people. They just like appealing to the younger, fressher crowd. If it's because of the pastors' dads, it would make sense that they don't know how to relate to them. Also, the more that people go, the less their impressed with the music and the Acts 29 pastor uniform.
I have become more aware of the realities of Acts 29 and I'm recovering.
Many in my family would send sermons back and forth to each other. We loved his teaching because it was tough, but true.
Then, listened to this sermon of his that was very racial and spoke about privilege. Seemed to defend BLM riots as anger that was understandable or something. I don't want to be wrong in what I heard, so take with a grain of salt, but I might have cried after I heard his message knowing he was being deceived by the divisive rhetoric.
We love Chandler and count him as a brother, so though disappointed, we prayed for him and stop sharing his content. It has been several years now.
I want to encourage people to look into the radiation damage caused by his tumor treatment. It causes impairment. His lapse in judgement may have been residual effects of brain damage. I still pray God heals and Chandler turns against the race based social division.
Excellent and informative video.
This seems to come down to one fundamental question followed by an subsidiary one: Should the organized church be political?
If the answer is "yes" then the next question is: What type of politics?
It seems like it can be answered in four different ways (at least in the USA):
1) Yes, and focused on left wing politics (Woke Evangelicalism & Mainline).
2) Yes, and focused on right wing politics (Christian Nationalism).
3) Yes, and try to do both (Third Way, which seems to become Woke).
4) No. The organized church should be apolitical.
I believe #4 is the answer the New Testament and early church gives.
Term general equity came from the confessions. We believe it is a more historical position.
I am a general equity theonomist. I maintain my position that the problem with guys like Chandler, Platt, Gospel Coalition, etc. is not Kuyperianism. It is that they had bad theology.
There is a type of conservatism in Politics and theology that is more liberatian, or hands off. In Politics it goes like this "We just want to elect people who won't pass laws or abuse power, because we don't want to set a prescedent for liberals to abuse power". And I think there's a parrallel between that mode of thinking and the Christians who are more pietistic and say things like "Well I just don't like politics in Church, we should just preach the gospel".
I think Christians have a lot to say in the political realm. That does not mean every Christian has an obligation to do so.
The problem with Matt Chandler is not that he was political, it's that he was wrong. He should not have marched for BLM, he should have spoken against BLM.
I have a lot of relatives who get very angry at me as a conservative, and I get hit with the "Just preach the Gospel" line all the time. Yes, the Gospel is not a Gospel of works, it is a gospel of Grace along by faith alone. However, that Faith is accompanied by works. And Jesus says if you love Him, you will obey Him. And He said to make disciples, teaching them to observe everything He commanded.
Every single Christian doesn't have to be holding signs at abortion clinics. But the Church as a whole should be speacking prophetically to that issue. And many of the other issues in our day. If you are in a church and you don't ever hear a word about the horrible sins of our nation. There is a problem.
Thanks for the shout out
This is illuminating as to how eschatology is far less the adiaphra were told that it is. It’s been my experience that there are some who will claim postmil but find that their consistency regarding God’s sovereignty and particularly scripture’s sufficiency are immediately impeached when they engage society in these mirthless weak way. Scripture’s inerrancy is but a lie upon their lips.
I take it Mattie wasn't watching the Jeffersons or Good Times when he was young. I went to schools in Southern Mississippi that were majority black. I enjoyed my childhood and made great friends. But I didn't feel much privilege. My Dad was an uneducated alcoholic truck driver. But I feel so much better being lectured by Pastor Matt (I can't stay faithful to my wife) Chandler. So
Much better.
You really gotta talk to Joe Boot about the church/kingdom distinction.
I think Chandler’s dismissal of the defining the gospel in narrow terms of salvation is a mistake. That is a proper use of the “gospel.”
My solution to the terminology problem is just to say that there is a narrow and wide definition of the gospel. One is about one time justification by grace alone, and the wider use is about the sanctifying obedience that flow from it in all of life.
There is a law of the kingdom community, and that doesn’t need to be over-eschatologized.
You are spot on when you say that it needs to be the right law. That is so key.
It’s not good enough to have the categories of Gospel and kingdom obedience, we need to have the correct view of the law (what is equality and equity, etc.).
I think you will get more traction agreeing with Chandlers categories, and pointing out the definition of the law problem, than trying to create new categories around justification and sanctification.
But that’s just my take on the nuance.
He's a sold out to this moronic point of cultural Marxism in(D)oc. The pandering is at once galling and ridiculous.
I saw a video, seemingly recently, where Chandler at least said that Christians should not go to a homosexual imitation of a wedding ceremony. That is at least a good thing.
The "neo nomian" comments around 1:19:00 mark --- totally spot on. Nothing seems to be legacy. It's new twists on old concepts.
One thing to note is that it appears the reformed/Calvinist revival is now diminishing. I personally believe that is a good thing because Calvinism is ideological possession to the extreme, on top of incorrectly interpreting the concepts of election and predestination. People are now going to churches that point to Christ as the way, and not a collection of ideological presuppositions that you have to memorize in a 5 lb systematic theology textbook.
At 1:15, you talk about the confusion of the gospel (the good news of justification by Grace) with the fruits of it (sanctification).
This is very important not to confuse. No question about it.
But if this is the right way to talk about the gospel (and it’s a very Lutheran way, law and gospel), then it requires that proper preaching include both gospel, but then also sanctification by good works. That is one can’t say, “just preach the gospel” because that would not be biblical preaching, as biblical preaching is both the gospel of grace and then instruction in the fruits of that grace (good works).
And one of those good works is rejection of racism and affirming the image of God in all human beings.
So we should affirm that there is a proper biblical teaching on racism.
We then need to distance this from the bad version of confusing privilege which results from obedience (having a two parent home) from privilege which is the result of injustice (having a lot of money because you sell illegal drugs). That is, “privilege” needs to be striped of its moral ambiguity-some is good some is bad. That’s why this term is divisive.
The point is this. We need to protect the definition of the gospel, but we also need to preach the obedience of righteousness that flows from it. And this requires addressing racism in the right way, not just casting it aside as “not part of the gospel.”
Chandler is right about that. But then his definition of racism and standpoint epistemology direct this insight in the wrong way.
That’s the difficulty I see.
Excellent and helpful analysis. Thank you
Mark Driscoll has always spoken well of his dad. My impression after listening to a lot of Driscoll sermons is that he had and has a great relationship with his dad.
With Driscoll ending up as an egomaniacal bully, I’d really wonder about his relationship with his father.
@@Adam-yf3ss we have to remember that pastors are human too. They like us have sinful proclivities and struggle to walk consistently in the Spirit. That’s why the gospel is good news and Jesus is a great savior. I’ve never understood the over-the-top condemnation and unending outrage over what happened at Mars Hill twenty years ago. Driscoll has made his peace with God and moved on to lead a thriving church in AZ. Yet people like yourself cannot let go of the past and persist in hating the guy for being a “bully”. The outrage is not proportional to the sin. Get over it.
Those who've been directly under the leadership of Mark Driscoll have revealed his un-christlike behavior and how toxic it is. As an influential leader, Mark Driscoll's life should, at a minimum, display the fruit of the Spirit. Grievously, it doesn't.
Listen to The Roys Report and you'll see that he continues in sinful ways that damage everyone unfortunate enough to work for him.
@@Adam-yf3ss I don't use this term lightly, but Mark Driscoll displays all the traits of someone with Grandiose Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's very difficult, almost impossible, for someone who has this deeply rooted issue to accept correction and grow in godliness.
I watched all of this video, man… I will never get that 2 hours of my life back.
I understand that you don’t like Matt Chandler, but the fact that you don’t know where he falls on the book of Revelation… even tho he’s written a book on it and preached a 12 part series on it, is poor research on your part and that theme (not understanding where Matt Falls on most issues) spills over into most of this video.
There are multiple things you have taken out of context and I wish I cared enough to spend the next hour or so rebuking most of which you had said, but I’m not willing to give you another hour of my time… you already have taken too much of it.
God bless you brother, I hope you’re impacting the kingdom of God in a positive way.🙏🏼❤️
If you're going to make sweeping claims like Jon took multiple things out of context only to follow it up with saying you don't care enough to spend time rebuking his claims, it makes your entire comment hollow and ultimately worthless.
If you're not going to come with substance, it's best to not come at all.
Peace ✌️
I Think the Word "Gospel" needs to be define. Jon, do you define the gospel as "the step of salvation?" the Word "Gospel" is a more loaded term than is first thought. It can also mean the narrative writings of Jesus life and ministry like " the Gospel of John." It can also mean the whole counsel of God as in the Bible. This meaning of "the whole counsel of God" is what Chandler means by "Gospel." Therefore, Everyone is speaking pass each other when they accuse one another of not preaching the Gospel.
1cor15
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
I like this definition because it’s biblical and it shows the importance of the scriptures/prophecy in what was fulfilled.
It’s the good news, according to what God said he would do in advance
Y’all say he should have changed his position after the autopsy came out. But that is like saying that pastors should have gone back to in person once they realized Covid wasn’t as serious as we thought. There are truths that should have guided them besides putting their finger in the wind and seeing what the mood of the culture or even their congregation is.
This whole mess is a natural outflow of pastors having less and less spine over the years and being scared to upset the very congregations they need to be admonishing and exhorting. Pastors should know (Covid) that we do not neglect meeting together. Period. They should know in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek nor male note female, etc. (George Floyd). These should have guided their preaching and leadership.. the clear teaching of the word of God.
Sounds like Matt fully embraces Hegelian dialectic and Marxist philosophy.
My eyes roll pretty hard whenever the 1K/2K stuff crops up. It just seems to obvious to me that these squabbles involve preferences about language and sources, and jostling for influence, rather than substantively different views of reality.
Personally I prefer to describe the kingdom of God as unified, because of the language in the English version of scripture I read which consistently references a single kingdom of God - the only other kingdom it commonly refers to is the kingdom of darkness. My understanding is that some reformers also had that view that the "2nd" kingdom was the kingdom of darkness. For that reason, I personally don't like the confusion of using the word "kingdom" when someone is simply trying to delineate church and state, and it doesn't make sense that it would delineate heaven and earth either. Daniel clearly shows the kingdom of God comes from heaven to earth.
Whether you prefer to say "kingdom" "realm" or "sphere" can we all agree when we are having that conversation that we are saying the same thing with almost no substantive difference? And can we remember that distinctions are not the same thing as divisions?
The point on TGC as neonomian is true. I never really heard anyone say TGC in particular was antinomian. Antinomianism is very common today, though, across many evangelical denominations. I think all antinomians are technically neonomians because they inevitably have a law they insist everyone must abide by. It's impossible not to.
When people like Boot say TGC had a "truncated gospel" its not as if he is saying there is more to atonement than the penal substitution of Christ, I think that's pretty obvious. Chandler isn't saying that either, to be fair to Chandler. Criticizing Chandler on that basis is relying on equivocation. He's not introducing a new way for justification. He's saying that the good news involves more than just atonement - the whole kingdom of God is good news, and the focus of the gospel is of course Christ, not ourselves, so I doubt you would really want to make a strong argument that the true focus of the gospel is on us getting saved. Its very common to use "gospel" to speak about atonement, but we have to remember not to get confused when someone is trying to talk more broadly about the evangel. The historical use of the term was to announce the new reign of a king. So the gospel is indeed inherently political because its the announcement of the kingdom of Christ, which is a direct threat to all insubordinate kingdoms and realms of the earth. That's why Chandler's flaws are so potent, because they ape the real thing.
Yeah, his mea culpa on white privilege was the last time I listened to him. Grateful he confessed his racism and privilege. Certainly lived a sheltered life.
Well, to paraphrase Elaine Benes, "Anti-racism. Who has the energy anymore."
The last group you mentioned
WERE NEVER CHRISTIAN!
I used to be a really big Matt Chandler fan. I listened to pretty much every sermon he posted online. His "A Beautiful Design" sermon series was the best I've ever heard on the subject of what it means to be human, as well as male and female. I used to recommend that series to friends. But then Chandler went woke. It was honestly a huge disappointment to me to see him get deceived by the far left. I tolerated it a bit for a while, but eventually had to stop listening to him. I do hope that he one day comes to his senses and repents.
I met him once. SBC meeting in St. Louis in the ERLC private lounge area. He was kind of surly and unfriendly. Maybe he was having a bad day? I have not heard much of him. When I have watched him, he sounds sort of effeminate. On social and economic topics, he doesn’t sound very knowledgeable.
I stopped watching CNN.
Now I don’t know what to think.
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Lecrae has said that he didn’t know it would only be Raphael Warnock there. I think there was supposed to be a republican candidate there or at least that was what Lecrae thought.
Dispensationalism has so much to answer for, though if Chandler claimed to be Reformed he should have known better. He's right that the Gospel carries with it an expectation--a requirement, really--of sanctification. And sanctification includes, over time, an increasing confomity to God's will--his law. But dispensationalism is allergic to the idea that God's law might apply today, so he has to call it something different, and the unfortunate term he's chosen is "the gospel of the kingdom."
The kingdom talk is as old as Washington Gladden and the social gospel.
You know John, I tend to agree that it is harder to witness to people who were raised with a pseudo-Christian surrounding who are not saved, than it is to witness to someone who totally rejects the gospel outright. Like in the Bible Belt for example. I view it similarly as witnessing to Mormons or Catholics, they already have a vested hope in salvation that is validated by their community or family, so it eases their conscience and gives them something to hide behind. Whereas someone who flat out rejects God or an afterlife can more easily come to a place of seeing their hopelessness outside of Christ, as opposed to someone who believes Christ is on their side and is not. Either way, it is God who grants belief and repentance and if He can do it for a wretch like me, He can get to anyone. Just my two cents, or you might say………….
“my lived experience” hehe
I find Matt Chandlers style of speaking unlistenable. I never could abide more than o few minutes of hearing his voice. Perhaps Matt should just go away
PREACH!!!
Are you saying that the name of that Gospel Coalition podcast is akin to "as above, so below" (an inversion of "on earth as it is in heaven")? If so, that's a witchcraft thing.
Why don't you listen to more solid teachers like Met Tab London. Do christians today actually want depth or just political stance and entertainment and commercial positioning?
Simple for him, become a word of faith/ prosperity preacher and he will have money again.
I am so sick of hearing someone who looked like me I did papers in high school on the civil Rights movement and people who didn't look like me. Lots of us did. Lens is sick of that to through the lens of LOL so dumb
And my history books have lots of stuff about slavery and the civil Rights movement. I never thought about any of this stuff, white people all around me building positive etc that's just dumb
It's getting to a lot of churches. I went to a church here in Washington, DC and it was awful. So, I looked at every church in DC's website. I see signs of crt and/or open support of alternative lifestyles and genders (some have multiple large pride flags on them). Some have a significantly higher percentage of older or younger people in the pictures. I don't like that because, that's always been a sign that their ignoring or discounting certain age groups. I just watch church online.
Lookup Christ The King in Alexandria, VA.
YRR Young Restless and Reformed was Calvinism without Confessinalism and Covenantalism.
53:20 it occurred to me (and I believe this is true) that the reason for the aged look on Chandler (and the pressure he's feeling) isn't from the people. I believe the Lord is leaning on him over his worldly theology that he's adopted and isn't letting him go until he submits to truth. By truth, I don't mean The Truth, I'm not suggesting he's not saved, but he's certainly submitting himself to a lie about racial issues that creates putrid division.
It is sad to have a host of adventurer preachers basically motivated not by am authentic call of God, but by desire to hit it and prove to daddy. Easy for Matt now to blame dad for some of his failures.
Marxist ideas are not compatible with the gospel of Christ. You should know your historical Marxist ideology. But as a reformed believer, are you saying all of this is predestined? If so, what are you arguing about?
We are saved into Christ's brotherhood generation by channelling a bio-logical repentance into a memorialising of Christ's significance which logically associates us with Christ's significance; that association that is a salvation is then the logical basis for Christ's request to the Father to send the Spirit to prompt further bio-logical prompts; just as external revelation does. (Am 12 minutes through the video).
I thought he was unqualified?
Who thinks like this are vocalises these things
What happened to guys like Matt? Where did this focus come from? How did they become so focused on these dumb things?
I believe it is the influence coming from the faculties of the evangelical colleges and seminaries, which are dominated by Democrat-leaning people. There are innumerable lies being told about particular colleges and seminaries being really solid and conservative when they are nothing of the sort
It's the misuse & abuse of the 501c3. Gotta make sure the $$$s keep rolling in.
His actions caused his disqualification to minister. Now his words should be weighted as you would any other brother in Christ, but he's not to be emulated or lifted up as a wise man. Sad really😞 may he seek repentance and find mercy from Christian family.
45:32 - it’s simply a disobedience to the 5th commandment..
That’s an interesting point. How does one honor a parent they so vehemently disagree with is a common challenge for me and other young adults.
More like Matt Handler!
Curious, what pastors and churches do you recommend?
I’ve heard Osteen is good. (Joking! Joking!)
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They do not believe Jesus soon gets His Bride, (Like God took Enoch, a “type” of Gentile bride, before the flood-judgement/tribulation “ type of future Israel.”
Then, seven years later, is Second coming, (after bad guys destroyed, and locked away for a time, and earth is just cleansed.
So, then, cleansed/renewed earth and heaven, and thousand year reign.-that, to show, even with Jesus’ Justice, man is still sinful.
Then Satan is released for FINAL GOG War.
THEN, totally new heaven and earth.
Since they think all prophecy has happened, THEY HAVE TO CONVERT THE world, or, create their utopia church in the world, and ESTABLISH JESUS’ KINGDOM-For Him-audacity and utter lunacy.
I have no idea what you believe, so this may have been a waste of heart-mine-and time.
But part of what you said to counter both groups, seemed right.
That they think they can implement Jesus’ kingdom on His behalf, is apostasy.
NAR a millennialists.
I agree Christian national right is wicked. They are not ACTUAL CHRISTIANS. That is the Truth!
Chandler is just trying to be what he thinks makes him relevant -and to capitalize on it. ( in the white privileged clip)
I went to his church. Solid Bible teacher. I left because my kids needed a more robust kids ministry, which he regrets. Ok, isn’t recognition of mistakes what make an older pastor very wise? His church is in the heart of North Dallas suburbia…read Trump country. His heart appeared to be troubled by why so few people of color attended. He tried to appeal and wow…he was seriously rejected by Christian conservatives. My advice, if it means anything, comes from being
Part of the largest inter-racial church west of the Mississippi River and another east of the Mississippi. Your church should be ethically reflective of the community it resides. Since his church sits in a 95 percent white community, I would ask him to not be so troubled by it. I am African-American for whatever value that is.
I've thought for awhile that he looks worn out. Sad. I used to really like him until he sold out to the liberal left
I never liked Chandler and I didn't like Platt's book at all. Bad exegesis.
I'm not sure why you can't believe that the George Floyd media play was criminally misleading, and that many Black people have very different experiences that me and I might benefit from listening and working to understand how to cross the dividing walls of hostility. People like Chandler need to make their limiting principles clear, but then be creative and pursuing of oneness.
I'm sorry. Tim Keller marketed leftist ideas? Such as? Please be specific.
I hear different people speak badly about Tim Keller but I don't hear a solid reason why.
Jon has an entire biography of Tim Keller on this channel. He also has probably half of dozen videos explaining his criticisms.
Tim Keller's "Third Way" and "Urban Churching" teaching come to mind.
24:00 Cultish. Or, "How to walk around and interact in our cult."