Training In The Gifts: Panel Discussion with Matt Chandler, Jack Deere, Sam Storms, & Jeff Wells
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2021
- Training In The Gifts: Panel Discussion with Matt Chandler, Jack Deere, Sam Storms, & Jeff Wells
This panel discussion comes from our time at WoodsEdge Church at their pursuit conference. The Pursuit Conference is a pastors conference geared toward training pastors on how to train their churches in the gifts of the Spirit. This panel does not tackle the deep theological questions of the gifts, rather it was meant to dive into the practice outworkings of the gifts of the Spirt in a local church. We want to give pastors on-ramps on how they can encourage their churches to practice and train the gifts of the Spirit in their churches in safe and obtainable ways. This was just a perfect collection of friends to accomplish that task. Sam Storms and Jack Deere are both spiritual gifts vets who have been training churches and establishing a healthy culture of gifts for decades, while Matt Chandler and Jeff Wells are comparatively, new at developing this culture in their local Churches. We were honored to host this panel, we look forward to doing it again!
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I wish Reformed Continuationist churches weren’t so few and far between. 😔
I follow the Doctrines of Grace too. I am the odd duck. Messianic Believer who loves Dr. White, and Dr. Brown. Brown left Calvinism, to become Arminian... but is a great witness to the Jewish community. Others who I love are are Derek Prince, David Wilkerson, Smith Wigglesworth, Shambach, and Leonard Ravenhill.
I suggest praying that they weren't.
Amen!
It's coming!
Maybe you can start one?
I really liked Joshua's closing words - that the Holy Spirit isn't dangerous, and the gifts of the Spirit are gifts for building up the church.
We need more conferences like this to equip the Church. It was balanced and powerful!
I disagree
@@cyberican9988 Do you want to discuss it?
This blessed me!
"You have to get comfortable with messes" might be some of the most important pastoral advice ever -- in all areas.
In Communist Romania, God provided an abundance of spiritual gifts and supernatural demonstrations; in part, I believe to strengthen the church that lacked physical Bibles and deep theology, but also because of the complete reliance of persecuted Christians on His provision. My heart breaks for our lack of dependence or looking to the captain and finisher of our faith. If we believe ourselves self sufficient in our misguided interpretations of the obvious meaning of spiritual gifts in scripture we handicap ourselves.
very well said
These men all seem like genuine men of God, so humble, hungry and earnest to follow God’s Word and Spirit and staying out of the ditches. Thoroughly enjoyed it and enlightened.
Mike Mattox pastor at the Well Church plant
The Remnant Radio hosts are so respectful of their guests. Thigh they offer their own wisdom, and their insights are just as relevant, they respectfully differ to their guests' wisdom and insights. Excellent examples and leading of conversation. Thank you all!
I was there and so enjoyed this panel....so, yes, I clicked on this video just to re-live Matt Chandler introducing Sam Storms and subsequently Jack Deere to the puke emoji, via text, LIVE on stage 😂incredible
No contemporary ministry on earth has made me more joyful in crossbearing than Bill Johnson of Bethel, soli Deo gloria.
This was encouraging and renewed my faith in the fact that God wants His people to use the spiritual gifts that are available to us.
My family is searching for a solid scripture loving church home that pursues all the Gifts. I love solid theology but the "theology only" crowd has really been somewhat hurtful.
I am with you on this!
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
I have seen both ends of the spectrum, so know what you mean. It would seem to be largely either disorder or a desert.
@@mauricerobertson1944 of course many can’t endure sound doctrine yet there are also many who despise the gifts of the Spirit and despise prophecies. Neither extreme is good.
@@bobs8005 I'm not despising or denying the gifts of the HS but being trained to receive or unlock the gifts is not correct and shameful on the part of those claiming to do just that! and sound doctrine matters if we cant endure the Gospel of Jesus and it needs to be sugarcoated we as Christians are in deep deep trouble.
Watched this two days ago and I am already 3/4 through a binge of Jack Deere’s Still Surprised by the Power of the HS audiobook. My family is a couple months brand new to a continuationist church (Independent Baptist college grad here). Amazing church (a Calvary Chapel) with massive emphases on the Word as well as both personal and corporate prayer. Yet while my church encourages the exercise of all the gifts, I have yet to see any sort of prophecy, tongues, or healings practiced. Not a matter of right/wrong, just something I have noticed. I think you hit the nail when you discuss how a church needs to intentionally set the appropriate environment for these things to take place. Still researching and learning…
I don't know about America but most church have been too. Whether charismatic or AOG we had time and service that where focus just on the gift usually that will be like evening service or mid-week service where they will teach about the Holy Spirit, healing and prophecy. Not on rarely under the leading of the Holy Spirit they may on Sunday after alter call they may make another call for those who want to receives the gift of the tongues and it was mostly follow up by a teaching either after church or during the week. It hurt to hear that people lives church because they belief it nonsense
Calvary chapels are great for learning the word, but in the time I’ve been in them I’ve never seen any sort of sign gift. Just teaching and prayer. Still pretty awesome denomination when you find a good church.
I read your comment with great interest, Tara. As a graduate of a Bible College loosely affiliated with the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA) I too was also taught that the gifts had ceased with the closing of the cannon. There are still things that give me pause about jumping in with both feet. 80% of the people of our dissolved church ended up at a Calvary Chapel. The pastor is totally onboard with Pre-Trib, Pre-Mill Eschatology, eternal security, is not Lordship Salvation, etc. It's as if he graduated from one of our schools but holds to the continuationist perspective. We, too, are enjoying the teaching, fellowship, and worship. But I also find it a little curious that they only practice the gifts in small groups. Sometimes, I want to go to the local Vineyard to partake of gifted expression but I don't hold to their Kingdom Now Eschatology. What to do, what to do...
I was born and raised in a Full Gospel Pentecostal Church all my life . I'm 62 years old . I was about 16 years old , I went with my pastor and another brother to what I felt was a boring Bible study . I don't know if it was me or the teacher was just boring , After we left in the pastors truck , Things became quiaet , And all of the sudden , I was given the lest of the gifts of Speaking In Tongues ! I kept speaking in tonges for about a full hour in the vehical , then drove home from our church late at night , All the way home . I WAS NOT LOOKING FOR ANY GIFTS , I'm mental stable like everyone else , But People It's Real ! It's Real ! I Corinthians 13 : 8 Is talking about the time when Jesus comes back . ( CLEARLY ) . Please , Read the Bible for yourself ! Let it telll you how everything works ! I have many cessationalist friends , They are saved and Born Again , But their wrong about several things . They put the term ( Apostalic Age ) in church , Their church , But that is not scripitural ! It's not anything , Any doctrine in the Word Of God .
Outstanding… thank you. I found this very encouraging. So many Heresy Hunters who hurt the body in their pride. Correction comes with love.
Wisdom and favor over you all
What I think a lot of people fail to realize is that there’s a difference between being careful and being lazy. Omitting things from the Bible just because the inconvenience you is a clear example of that laziness and error.
This blessed me tremendously. Our God is an awesome God. ❤ Grateful to be a Patron and support the ministry of the Remnant Radio!
Thank God for such wisdom and understanding from these men. They brought so much clarity and comfort to my many questions.
1:12:05 Such a great description of being a friend of God ❤😊
This is my favorite episode so far! I love the wisdom and balance that was displayed!
So many golden nuggets! Thank you. Bless you
I’m one of those weird charismatic Christian’s, this was GREAT. Loooved all the scripture references. Great job 👏🏼
I agree....IT IS WEIRD!! All the GIBBERISH, FALSE TONGUES, PEOPLE FALLING DOWN...Slain?in the spirit? VERY WEIRD! I'M SO GLAD I WAS DELIVERED from this mess!!
@@craiggross9629 I love the charismata. A "counterfeit" shows that there is an "authentic". The Charismata fails when leadership is weak. The Didache, the earliest church document, shows the charismata were alive and well. So the earliest churches had it.
Absolutely well done. I wish I could have come to that conference.
Incredible dialogue.
1) This was great to hear and walk through
2) It made me disappointed I couldn’t make the conference this year.
Great discussion guys. Shoutout from across the Pond 🇬🇧
Please do more Program like this l have watched it Twice. love all the pastor’s
This was very good and very encouraging. Thank you for sharing part of the conference!
Amen and amen and Amen. Praise the Lord❤
Sometime after the elections last year the Lord showed me the finger pointing emoji a whole bunch of them and gave me a prophetic word concerning people pointing fingers. So glad someone else had the Lord using emoji’s! LOL
So good and refreshing to listen in on! We need more of this in the church!
Thanks so much for this, especially the examples of how to cultivate hearing from God (i.e. time stamp 43:38). These examples illustrate what leaders can actually say in order to encourage the move of the Holy Spirit, and encourage fellow believers in what they may experience.
How in the world do we find a healthy church that teaches like what’s presented here?!?!
Thank you so much guys 🙏🏿
This is great. Just beware...that "teaching" how to operate the gifts, opens the doors to carnal impersonators. Its a tough balance. It has to be a work of the Spirit and not a human effort. God be glorified!
This is so helpful and refreshing. I have gotten so much from these brothers, many times. I have also gotten much useful teaching and preaching from Kris Valloton, so I can't throw all of Bethel's teaching and preaching out, just like I would not throw all of these dear brother's teaching out. I love all of them. And do agree about the woman they were talking about who has "gone to heaven" thousands of time, but can't throw Bethel out completely. We do need to test things, but as one of these brothers said, (I'm paraphrasing, cause I can't remember word for word) don't despise the prophetic or the gifts. Some of the prophetic may not make sense, but test it, but the Word, and the fruit.
Thank you so much for posting this video!
What a great conversation. Very helpful. Thank you!
This is amazing! Thank you so much for posting this video from the conference!
Exciting Times!
Appreciate this guys.
I wanted to go to this so badly. thank you so much for uploading!!! I loved this so so much.
Do this conference again and I will be there, God willing.
Great episode guys! Love the charity and clarity.
Thoroughly enjoyed
Awesome panel
Excellent!
Watching the past few episodes on gifts and prophesy, it is easy for us to slander and shut down those people, to a degree yes, calling out falsehood is what we have been called to do, but the people prophesying are not waking up one morning and making these claims, ok, some might do that, but, they are more than likely reading their Bible and seeking after God. How many of us calling these people out can say they are waking up and seeking God everyday? I just pray they get that teaching and correction so they can continue to seek God and have that correct use of their gift.
Incredible videos. Blessing guys!
We train in preaching and teaching or admin, yes but I presume they are people with the gift of teaching and preaching. You could study to be a preacher all you like. If you don’t have the gift then you don’t have the gift.
People who feel they have the gift of teaching go into teaching. You can’t teach the gifts
This is THE BEST teaching I have ever heard on the gifts! Thank you!!!!
I love you guys. Wow.
So I think it's important to remember that the word prophecy has a Hebrew concordance definition H5016 meaning: from H5012; a prediction spoken or written, H5012 means to prophesy, speak or sing by inspiration. I have to take small issue with him saying, "prophecy is not teaching," because if the definition means "inspired spoken word" essentially all of the Word of God "is" prophecy by definition, see 2 Timothy 3:16. What could be better than prophecy directly from God? I would say that teaching and speaking the Word is the "best" singular training for ensuring that prophecy is Biblically based, sound doctrine. Another interesting observation that I've noticed when studying the Bible regarding prophecy to a particular individual, is when the individual is told "everything that is in their heart." The specific example is the Woman at the Well with Jesus. Jesus often times mocked methodology when it came to healing, I believe for the particular purpose of encouraging us to take our eyes of the method, and put them on the Messiah. Let's face it, people have this affinity for clinging to a particular method, i.e. the children of Israel worshiping the bronze serpent during Mose's time, all the way through Hezekiah's day when he finally destroys it.
Spiritual gifts come from God so all ya need to do is ask God for what you want.
Great video! I know this is an old response. I once was in a large home of a start up church and it was pretty full of people. The Holy Spirit came on me to proclaim a word, but I was already not well accepted in that group being low on the pecking order so I didn't want to give a word and held it back. It kept building in me until I exploded really loud with the word. Afterward a girl came to me and said that prophesy was for her. She was on the other end of the house in the bathroom crying and heard the word that exploded out of me and if it hadn't come out at that volume she would not have heard it. Later a leader in that church said I had a religious spirit and I said "why do you feel that way?" and he brought up that event in which I than told him the rest of the story.
Gunna go watch Send Proof, cause that sounds awesome!
58:37 Fascinating. I just realized how me misinterpreted a dream effected me.
Please, come to my church in NC. Do a conference here.
48:55 head motions got me thinking y’all hang out waaaay too much haha
"50% of pastors are trying to do what they are not called to do - doing all the ministry in the church" Some are undoubtably doing so out of a need to control, not trusting God to be able to move through what sometimes is perceived to be pew fodder. I think the congregation also have a responsibility to encourage and work towards a model befitting a first century gathering. I have found that much of the ministry outside of teaching actually happens out in the car park after the service has finished and the last biscuit has been eaten. In my experience, house groups (Bible study and prayer meetings in homes) also tend to be a more fertile ground for the gifts to be used. But if you end up in the house group of the pastor, that same dynamic of us and him tends to raise its ugly head again.
The last two words I had for my last two pastors ended up with me having to leave the fellowship. Both messages were gently given warnings (I was careful to pray and ask God to prepare the ground for months) and both messages were rejected.
I understand what Matt was saying about not naming particular people but saying hey we believe this not that but that being said I do think that if someone is heretical like Kat Kerr, the person needs to be named and the body of Christ needs to be warned! Sometimes people talk in riddles instead of just saying the persons name and warning us. Just say it, "hey don't listen to
this persons teaching it's not biblical and in fact it's even heretical!"
This was good.
Thank you Sam Storms for your final comments. We dare not be so controlling in the church. Love "bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things." We cannot be continually suspicious, untrusting, expecting abuse or false teaching. We have to hope and endure all things. That is not to say that there is no discernment. There must be. But there is a difference in attitude. People are growing up, and even grown people make mistakes. If as a parent we are constantly on guard to make sure our children don't mess up, they will likely never stick their necks out, never venture out beyond a certain point. We need to culture an environment in which people can be bold and courageous, testing the waters, and yet accepted and loved even when they don't get it right. That is, of course, best nurtured in small groups. But that culture needs to be developed within the body of Christ, hoping for the best in one another, gently and lovingly correcting where needed, trusting the Holy Spirit to work in others as He is in us.
How do we locate solid charismatic churches in the Houston area?
Re Jesus spit on the mud on his hands & smudge on the born blind man' when I read it, & see on a video clip of that scene somehow it lead me to Genesis 2 when God Almighty took dust from the earth to create Adam. The born blind man may born without eyeballs hence the mud ? Just my humble thought....
How do you lead with clarity if you don’t take the very Word of God as it says?
How is it that if the Holy Spirit gives one or more spiritual gifts, he neither tells the people to whom they are given or how to use them? How is it that a mortal can train someone how to use them and determines that said gift has been given to them?
Nobody in scripture was ever ignorant of a spiritual gift or how to use them?
That’s a good observation. I do believe that the Holy Spirit can teach you but I think that would take developing a relationship with the Holy Spirit and learn how to hear from him and follow his direction. I would say you could start by prayer and asking the Holy Spirit to show you. Wish I had done that but didn’t have great discipling and I never developed a habit of getting into the word consistently or at all. Now I’m starting the journey all over again and trying to do things the right way (by being in the word and spending alone time with God in prayer and worship)
Just saying that those in scripture used them and knew/understood without the need for consulting other humans. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit gives gifts in secret and keeps you ignorant of it.@@Jamieforeals
Malachi says God gets weary with our words. So in God's desire to get to our level he often will use words we can relate to.
So when are you all gonna meet again? This was 🔥
What was that documentary called that y’all said Elijah in the audience made?
Send Proof
Ken Fish. Ken Ham. If we could get Ken Beef, we'd have a well rounded meal.
Be careful of false teachings brothers and sisters, Read your bible so you may not be lead astray, for the LORD would leave his whole flock to rescue one little lamb, because you are all so precious to the LORD!
Now how do we get the Latino church community to get on board with responsible practice of the gifts 😅
touchy feeley doctrine
Question, doesn't the gifts of the Spirit come from being close to God, and are only given by the Spirit? Doesn't that mean we can't teach them?
First, the Old Testament discusses three schools of prophets, so there is precedent for learning how to discern God’s voice. In the New Testament, John 10:27 tells us “My sheep hear my voice.” Yet, we may not readily recognize God speaking to us. Job 33:14 states, For God speaks in one way, and in two, though man does not perceive it. In 1 Kings 19:12, we learn God may speak in a still, small voice or low whisper. But do we recognize it? Are we obedient to that still, small voice or do we dismiss it? Even beyond prophecy, do you know what your spiritual gifts are? Attending a school to develop your spiritual gifts simply helps you to discern when God is speaking and teaches how to recognize and use the gifts God has given you.
Honestly I wish Jesus ran the church not denominations.. God said Jesus is the Head. He Left the Church under the Holy Spirit guidance
"All of us prophesy falsely, but that doesn't make us false prophets."
Are you sure about that?
I hope you guys left a window of probability open, that you may be wrong! Hope you are not to sure about your theology, but still a student of the word of God and learning, reforming day by day.
How do you train someone to receive Christmas gifts? You don’t. They’re just given.
Very good point. What do you think prevents the gifts from happening?
@@collin501 I think it boils down to the will of God. If God wants to give a word to someone, he’s perfectly capable of doing it. If he wants to give someone the ability to speak in a foreign language, he can do that. On the day of Pentecost, the disciples in the upper room had no idea they were going to speak in foreign languages, but they did because the Holy Spirit enabled them.
@@gman1550 I get that, but doesn't the Holy Spirit distribute gifts not just here and there but specifically in a church context (per 1 Corinthians 12)? If a church setting hampers through the use of gifts because everything has to fit into the schedule, or maybe people lack guidance on learning what gifts God has given to each of them, then how can that really happen? I think the gifts center around the church, so if a church didn't meet, I don't think the gifts would flourish. If a church met in an a way that only favored the use of the ear, the hand may not really realize what it is to do except for feel something is off. Does that make sense?
@@collin501 In acts, spiritual gifts happened in many settings. Healing of man outside the temple gate, Paul shaking of a snake around a camp fire, Phillip miraculously taken away from the Ethiopian eunuch, apostles freed from prison by an earthquake, at Cornelius house Peter was amazed that the Holy Spirit fell on them, for he heard them speaking in tongues. SpiritualGifts are not limited to a church setting
The flesh can imitate the spirit when en courage to do so . The reliegous flesh loves its religious works . The genuine gifts of the spirit cannot be separated from the cross , death to self ,and works that are gods works manifested through the believer , Not self works outside the cross .
How do you teach somebody to prophecy or do miraculous healing etc? That's why Im a cessesionest as well ss the church to which I beliong
If all of you that are speaking and agreeing with this do not repent, YOU are in danger of hellfire as false teachers and false preachers. I pray you repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ instead of falling for the foolish doctrine of the world. God bless you and may the Lord deliver you.
You are actually blaspheming the power of God by the Hy spirit & the word of God, the Bible clearly speaks about God giving His people gifts through the power of His spirit & grace, please go read the entire New Testament, we will be here waiting for your apology
@@dustincampbell4835
Wow wonderful testimony, so glad for the LORD delivering you brother, God bless you
I've try pentecostal churches...was encouraged to babal and just trust God would make sense of it. Saw a pastor Chuck a Bible over his shoulder like Luke Skywalker and then said " Bing bong bing," like something out of loony tunes. The holy spirit in side me convicted me in a very real way. Blasphemy
Thanks so much for what your doing and keeping people updated. I was wondering if you ever noticed Dr. Michael Browns comment about there not investigating the church teaching or anything like that. Check it out on his last video where he says that comment about Ihopkc.
A good shepherd always smells like sheep because he's always around his sheep.
Why does Paul ask these questions in1Cor 12 :"Are all Apostles are all prophets? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? Do all have the gift of Healing? etc the obvious answere is NO Gifts of the Holy Spirit were given by The laying on of hands of an Apostle Acts 8 where Simon the Sorcerer offers the Apostle money for this power of the Holy spirit to enable him to lay hands on people
This is awesome! Have you guys considered having Skip Heitzig on remnant radio? He’s a great Bible teacher and continuationist.
That would be great to see
It used to be Reverend, very Reverend , most Reverend, right Reverend, etc. has Lead Pastor now replaced these titles and do we now have to prepare ourselves for Most Lead Pastor, the Right Lead Pastor, The Magnificent Lead Pastor, etc? Just wondering about this fashion in church lately with this Lead in the title, again something we don’t find in scripture but is made up.
Do people sometimes mistake prophecy with exhortation and words of encouragement? I know that prophecy does bring encouragement, but is every word of encouragement a word of prophecy? I think simple words of encouragement and exhortation are more general and prophecy is more specific. So I wonder if a lot of people may not be giving prophecy but these other things.
I think ill let the holy spirit do that.If my people humble themselfs i will heal there land.
I've struggled for a long time with the idea of training in the gifts, especially with the idea of just keep stepping out and eventually it will work. Or if training is to simply follow a pattern, how is that a spiritual gift? What is the difference between a natural gift of teaching that is developed and a spiritual gift of teaching? What about administration? Obviously people can be trained. But what about those who are spiritually gifted? Someone commented below that you don't train a person to receive a gift. It's just given. But my question, like everyone on stage, what is the path to the gifts happening or not? What prevents them from being used? The letter to the Corinthians tells us their gifts were being hampered by occupying their time with certain gifts to the exclusion of others. even though apparently the Holy Spirit distributed diverse gifts throughout the body, they apparently spoke in tongues too much to allow space for some of the other gifts to be used.
I want to find a church that seeks to have the whole church operate, and for each member to know how they fit in. Who are the prophets, who are the administrators, the servants, the teachers, those who have discerning of spirits, etc? The pastor or elders need to see to it that they know the gifts of the flock and give place for them to use their gifts. Also, I feel that prophecy is a very high thing and not for everyone. In fact Paul puts the prophets just below the Apostles. I've been in a church service before where everyone was directed to prophecy to the person next to them. I assume it was something other than prophecy that we were actually doing.
Today with Christianity we should not be concerned about what songs churches are singing, we should be concerned about the "PROFE$$IONAL CHRI$TIAN AUTHOR'$" selling THERE PERSONAL interpretation of the WORD OF GOD.....🤔
So you think that if you don’t pray God won’t heal?!!
What is prayer?!
Who invited Snape to the panel ;) Naw just kidding, Matt Chandler is good stuff.
"If one prophecies falsely that doesn't make you a false prophet"?...I see his point clearly but it still makes the prophecy FALSE....a false PROPHECY is as dangerous as a FALSE PROPHET perhaps worst as one is labeled the other not, .That is why a church cannot take a laxed attitude towards these things either.
There is such a thing as being overzealous in prophesying but it must be curbed by the wisdom of the elders. Then there is heretics who continue on with their falsity after they are corrected and warned.
Simply put, false prophecy is the prelude to hereticism.
Dabbling in prophecy seems like divination to me (a lust to know the future ) and is bound to end in error.
Whereas "waiting upon our ministry" is wise.
FALSE carries so many negative connotations to the person and a judgement against them. What if we just called it ‘incorrect prophecy’ when someone is wrong. And then they’re carefully and pastorally taught and corrected? If scripture tells us to “earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially prophecy” then the fear of heretics is not a good enough reason to not ask the Spirit to teach us about the gifts he has for us.
Seen a quote once I really liked and is true, something like this….” The biblical requirement for being a prophet is 100% Accuracy 100% of the time. “
☠️ “He will kill you but He loves you.” ☠️
I was in the Charismatic-Pentecostal church for over 40 years. Folks, GIFTS ARE JUST THAT.....GIFTS. God gives the GIFTS! You do not need to TEACH the gifts .....if you do, then it's of man and not of God.....
Charismatics and Pentecostals have it so messed up! So many of you accept ecumenicalism, look at Francis Chan....teaching transubstantiation...
You don't teach prophecy, you don't teach tongues...or gifts!
Once again...a gift is a gift...and a supernatural act of God...
Please show me where the Apostle Paul "taught" anyone HOW to use their gifts....
But, because you've TWISTED the Scriptures so thoroughly, you will never listen.
The one pastor said "You have to get used messes"? REALLY?
God is not the AUTHOR OF CONFUSION!
Abuse to interpret tongues is for all? Wow!😊
How do you train people in the gifts of the Holy Spirit if the gifts are supernatural from GOD and not from man? Its a big fat mess!
around the 1:05 mark, the discussion turns to Bethel....c'mon guys, how much false teaching is required before even sympathetic charismatics can see, these guys are teaching and practicing a different gospel - we should love them, pray for them, call for them to repent, but as believing Christians we are to rebuke them and not associate with them? Wake up Olive.....
The crown given to the woman was a string of planets including Leo. The rider on the horse is being described by the alignment at his birth. He has the same crown except this time Jupiter is part of it. The bow also is an astronomical configuration when taken with a crown is known as a t-square. The crown is high in the daylight sun with Saturn and the Moon at opposite ends of the horizon.
You don’t see it, but that rider is Jesus with his crown in Leo and moon in Aries, the slain lamb. In astrology, this particular natal is telling the story of a despised and hated man who is shunned by society. Exactly the natal you’d expect from the suffering servant. Much of Rev is clues to who he is. Remember that great sign in Virgo is telling you he’s been born naturally and fully human again. It pleased god to inflict this punishment on his son again in modern times.
It amazes me how much the Charasmatic churches talk about 1 Cor 14:1 and say it's all about pursuing the gifts- people read your Bible!! It doesn't say pursue the gifts!! It says pursue LOVE and desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you might prophesy. You're so hyped about the gifts you're allowing yourself to believe and teach bad doctrine. I see so many pastors and supposed theologians using this verse to say we are to pursue the gifts. Paul just spent an entire chapter talking about the need for love and how we should be desiring love and you skip right past that part in verse 1 because you want to rush to the gifts. Also I haven't seen the entire video yet but the title of the video is about teaching the church how to do the gifts. I have never read or heard of a verse or doctrine in The Word explaining just how prophecy is to be taught, how the gift of healing is to be taught. If there is one please respond to me with chapter and verse and where that doctrine exists. If it's not there you are just waisting time and teaching something that's not biblical.
People now days are too concerned about what gifts they have instead of being concerned about reading the Father's word,pray how to grow in Messiah and be a reflection of him and the Father and his kingdom. Instead of worrying about what gifts I have to show others I'm special, it's all pride and that one of the worst sins in the Bible. Wake up"Christan" get outside the walls of your so called CHURCH and go spread the Gospel and witness to the lost. Quit worrying about what gift Yahuah Elohim is going to bless you with and start being concerned about what's really important, going about doing the Father's work just like Yahusha HaMashiach the Messiah said.
He was always about his Father's business and that was telling the lost about his his father and his kingdom.
The time for games is over with the kingdom of Heaven is at hand will you find yourself worthy on that day that Messiah returns or will you hear those words from Yahusha depart from me for I never knew you.