Where Andy Stanley Went Wrong
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2023
- Jon examines Stanley's departure from orthodoxy years before the recent controversy surrounding homosexuality in the church.
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"Being nice," to others has replaced being obedient to God.
Virtue has be redefined.
It has been called "the cult of nice."
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@dansaber4427 One cannot remain willfully in sin and be saved.
To be Christian is to repent of sin.
Repentence precedes forgiveness.
@@sheilasmith7779 it sounds like you've been eating from the Tree of knowledge. What did God say about that?
@@dansaber4427 Say about what? Be specific with your question.
He was never of us.
LOVE your channel and content, Jon! I actually used to be a "music contractor" for North Point Ministries for over 8 years (up until @2014). Happily, the Lord plucked my wife and me out of that whole movement into a wonderful reformed church in Canton, GA. Praise God for His true and glorious Gospel!!
Did you leave because Andy was becoming or always was apostate, just wanted a different job? It matters.
@@mynonameyt The former...
You did the right thing leaving Andy's church.... according to 2 Timothy 3:5 ....having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! ...... God Bless You!☝✝
@@mosriteminioncause7741 I think you responded to the wrong person, but I would not darken the door of that so called church. I do wonder what, if anything his dad thinks. I'm not a follower of Charles either, although my wife loves him. I went to the masters golf tournament in 2008, and my wife wanted to go to his church. So we went, but he wasn't there. Can you guess why?
@@mynonameyt Sorry, Thanks for the Heads up....As for Godly Churches... Matthew 7:13 Says -“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
..... Looks like the "Real/Legitimate Gate is getting "narrower" and harder to find! God Bless ☝✝
Homeschool moms need this! Many of those books are in my collection from 20 years of homeschooling.
Yes! Shared MudHenMama link with my daughter/s-i-l last night who have 10, 8, 3 yr old.
Was not the Corinthian church condemned for their “superiority” in tolerating unrepentant sin?
He rejects God's word as authority and makes himself the authority. He's replicating the lie in the garden by Satan. Did God really say?
I have loved Dr Charles Stanley for years and years. I have been concerned about Andy for several years now! Heartbreaking!
Charles needs to repent and stop endorsing his sons ministry
Charles is a modern day Eli, who knew his sons were committing evil and did nothing. The Lord said you honor your sons more than you honor Me. I too hope Charles rebukes his son for his false teachings calling him to repentance.
@@loiscarteaux9389 ~ oh my goodness 😢 if we are hurting for Charles, image how heartbroken he is for and about his son ~ especially being reconciled after so many years apart! I truly believe if the devil can't crack your faith, he surely will go after a weaker link. Lets pray all is not lost. 😢
“Love God, Love others “. That’s exactly what Amy Grant said about hosting her nieces gay wedding at her home.
Not actually very loving of her
@@ab-gail not if she cares for their eternal soul.
Jesus loved others and commanded people to repent.
@@bcm1621 no reason to have much confidence for Amy Grant's own eternal soul.
She was also "honored" by a POTUS who is more woke than anybody: pro abortion, pro aggressive LGBTQetc, pro all but US citizens, etc.
Outstanding work JH! Keep shining the light.
When he says “clobber passages”. 🤦🏻♀️
Wow. I want to hear him explain that one to God.
It is a homosexual books quote he is probably a closeted homosexual. Maybe perhaps? Women wives are beards to those types.
Around 12-13 years ago I found Andy Stanley and would listen to him before heading to church. Sadly, it did not take long to figure out he was not like his dad. The sad part is that he has satellite churches all over the place and those churches are full too. Along with everything else that he has told his congregation, is he has told them that prophecy is no longer relevant. He has not taken James 3:1 seriously or he would never teach the way he does. So sad for all the people he has led astray. I pray they will be discerning of the truth before it is to late.
First of all, the guitar in the beginning is 🔥. Second, thank you for what you do here. Andy Stanley has been a concern for quite a while. I’m not convinced he’s born again.
11 minutes in and his apostasy speaks for itself.
This episode is an absolute fire 🔥! Very well explained. I hope this gets more views, you laid out your argument that hit like truth bombs each time! I will come back to this post for reference. God bless💥
Thank you for speaking the truth...
The story Andy tells about Charles Stanley changing the worship time so parishioners could avoid the Pride Parade took place in the mid 1990's. First Baptist Atlanta moved from downtown Atlanta to suburban Dunwoody around 1996. Stanley did this for two practical reasons: 1) because the Pride Parade creates a traffic nightmare that makes it difficult for people to leave the area, and, 2) Pride Parades are not polite events. They are open, in-your-face displays of confrontation. They were in the 90's and still are. There was no benefit to Baptists and their children to have to view such a spectacle while leaving church. The parades were specifically scheduled to coincide with the end of church services so that Christians and their kids would have to be confronted with it. It was done to make people feel inconvenienced and uncomfortable. I guarantee you that Andy's embarrassment about it now is retrofitted. It's almost certain that at the time he was aware of and sympathetic to his father's concerns.
@@lynnmcintosh I was there in the mid 90's at the downtown church and well remember Dr. Stanley letting church out early so that we could avoid the parade. It happened. I was a member of the church at the time.
i marched on Washington in 1993 for the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"...and i was part of that "spectacle" as you so accurately described. Looking back on it, and now that i am a reformed homosexual, i would say that Christians are not homophobic and bigots. There are plenty of gays out there who condemn one another in their own camp. Call it "homohomophobia" if you will. Gays needed and still need to confront each other. i don't think Andy would stand up for all this transgender nonsense and mutilating children. Andy is welcoming all people into his congregation. It is not up to him to convert them, just as it wasn't up to him to convert me. That was on me. i bow on my knees to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Let the Holy Spirit do His thing, and stop yappin' about condeming Andy Stanley. He's no phony.
@@CarmonBenford I do not condemn Andy Stanley for welcoming people into his congregation but for seemingly throwing his father (and by implication the congregation, which included me) under the bus over the Pride Parade issue. It was entirely appropriate for us to avoid the Pride Parades and I don't believe he disagreed with that at the time. And if Andy opposes the current fad of gender conversions for children (I cannot believe that he doesn't), I hope he speaks up about it. Now is certainly the time.
@@dabhidhm4093 i totally respect your response.
When we called him a false teachers a couple years back tons of people pulled a Gretta (how dare you) 😅
You know, it's kind of encouraging to see that some people are finally catching up.
Yep, most people prefer nice over Biblical accuracy.
@@andrewcosta2760 only took a decade. But when he comes out of the closet he'll still have followers.
I find it remarkable that the people who follow your podcast would defend Andy Stanley
Charles Stanley was trying to let his church out early because the homosexuals were coming to confront him in an antagonistic fashion. They weren't coming to say hi. He wanted to avoid conflict as well as avoiding what Jon said about the open displays of debauchery that characterize gay gatherings. One would have to assume that the Methodists who were there to express their acceptance of the unrepentant were among the many in their denomination who had fallen away from Biblical orthodoxy.
The incident that Andy Stanley described to CNN probably happened well back into the 20th century. I think it was probably not real long after Charles Stanley had gained the ire of the perversion lobby by saying that AIDS was God's curse on homosexuals, which happened before Jon was born. (I remember at the time thinking that was a gaffe because what about lesbians?) The reaction Andy Stanley describes within himself of thinking that the Methodists were more sound in their response to this situation than his own father shows that Andy was already heterodox at that point, and it was apparently a very long time ago.
He's been a heretic teaching a false gospel for decades. People are just now realizing who he's been all along.
Thank you, you are talking sense. i'm getting tired of listening to this guy.
Amy Grant just used this "Love God and Love Other" argument for having her niece's wedding on her ranch. Just like you are saying... Becket Cook(former homosexual) and Franklin Graham both had great counter arguments for this. Thank you for another wonderful conversation!
Sadly he is gone. Gone from among us and wants his own way and not God's way. Pray for him.
"The homosexual community is more righteous/faithful than my congregation, myself, and God."- Andy Stanley
Depart from me I never knew you. - Jesus
If they were you wouldn't even know they were homosexual. There are people who struggle with alcoholism in church but they don't come drunk and they don't bring a 6 pack to church with them. Repentance is the difference, speaking in general because there are always exceptions.
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I live just a few miles from North Point and have so many friends and acquaintances that go there or to one of the satellite churches. They think he can do no wrong. It’s sad that so many are being led astray by him.
They simply do not know the Word of God!
For a lot of people, going to a mega church led by a celebrity is about status. Most are not believers and just want to be part of the cool kids. It's very sad.
That is very sad. He is a wicked false teacher.
I was a founding member of NPCC , went to FBC downtown as well. I use to defend Andy to the wall with my husband...when he recognized his theology was going off the rails back in the day. We left after 10 years and found a 100% Bible believing church. It's really sad. He has so much influence....but he is part of the "spirit of the age".
@@briandurrence4868 100%. And Andy surely does not teach it. His version of scripture.
Why did the Jerusalem Council forbid fornication? The council was emphasizing the OT stance on moral behavior.
Jesus forbid fornication.
Yep
He’s an apostate!
For Stanley. What do you mean "Jesus did not start with theology, he started with people." Jesus is the very essence of Theology. That is where it all began and begins.
All you hear from Mr. Stanley is an emotional appeal coupled with an open disregard for what the Bible clearly stipulates, not suggests, and in the background the hissing echo of those diabolical words uttered in the Garden of Eden: "...has God said..."
Thanks Jon! Sadly, Stanley’s arguments are very commonly taught today
By whom?
@@briandurrence4868 false teachers
Strange the contradiction of Andy giving such broad grace to sinners of one kind but not to white men who didn't sin in the ways they are being accused of.
Hear! Hear!
It makes him popular and that's why he will continue to double down on all of this.
Excellent point
Excellent! The litmus test for anyone (I think) is “Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?” “Is He your Lord?” It is apparently not possible for a person to say they know Jesus when they don’t. I am amazed at the efficacy of the question. Some are angry when I ask them gently if Jesus is real to them. Often they will not deny Jesus but admit they are not walking with Him. Surprising how many admit they know Jesus but do not attend any church. The true church actual borders have little to do with traditional churches. Connecting fellow believers with other true believers is what we most need to do. The false church is way more visible now than the true church. I appreciate your fairness in how you express your understanding of Christian orthodoxy.
I agree. Most families are split all over the country and churches really don't feel like families anymore. Both have become contentious institutions we go to to get ridiculed by. Luckily there is still the institution of marriage....oops maybe not 😬
I feel convicted by your comment. I have a relationship with Jesus, but admit that I don’t walk with Him as I should. I don’t have a church home, and feel extremely isolated from the body of Christ. It’s tragic that despite extraordinary technological innovations, the Church feels more fragmented and cut off from each other than ever before.
I used to work for a guy who was an elder at North Point Community Church. He mentioned Andy Stanley watches Rob Bell videos. Back then I was clueless about Andy Stanley and Rob Bell being false teachers. Apparently the guy I worked for was clueless as well.
I give you a lot of grief for slow-starting your videos. This is probably your best! Thank you! Continue to “get to where the rubber meets the road.”
Yes - the apostasy does not happen overnight. It is warning to the church to watch out for the flags and signals that are pretty clear if we only open our eyes and ears.
Stanley's church celebrated and baptized a homosexual a couple years ago.
He rejected the old testament almost a decade ago. When you disconnect from the Bible and refuse to submit to its authority this is what happens.
🙏🏼❤️ keep up the good work Brother!
My sister-in-law is in Atlanta area & Andy Stanley has been a problem for awhile. He stopped preaching the scriptures a long time ago. He, like Keller, are wooed by their culture & no longer hear the Holy Spirit.
They never heard the Holy Spirit.
Evangelical leadership is being exposed by the current cultural zeitgeist.
I would argue that Evangelical leadership is actually in bed with the spirit of the age.
At 15:00 Debbie claims she has a lot of leaders around her and they ask, 'Well when do we get to tell them the truth?' What kind of leaders does she have around her who withhold truth (a form of lying)? How are they worthy leaders?
For the Christian, the Law goes from “Foe” to “Friend.” Jesus fulfilled it for us. Since we are no longer at enmity with God, we love the Law because it reflects God’s character. We no longer hate God but love Him. Therefore we love the things that characterize His nature. The 2 greatest commandments are born from the 10.
I think he is a classic example of growing up in the church but not being of the church. He is always mystified by people who have bold faith. He’s embarrassed by the faith.
Okay Jon l somehow missed this one....cuz EVERYBODY was on it. But you put up a vid that someone else did today, and l thought ...nah .. l'm going straight to you channel. l think you've done one of the best breakdowns here ...as usual. l think something is throttling your channel too because your stuff is unmatched! Blessings to you, and your wife! :D
I was a NP satellite member for 15 years from 2003-2018, and I’ve heard/read the story of how he entered the ministry. He was done with college, he had majored in something like law or business. He was in the car with his dad Charles, and he asked, “If I’m not sure I am being called to the ministry, can I volunteer?” His dad said yes. I wonder now if Charles just missed the Holy Spirit telling him to tell Andy, “Don’t do it.” 😢
Imagine how tremendously difficult that would have been, father to son. Whew.
Andy majored in journalism
Minute 15:34 in and I just realized that to love God first and foremost (or at least way high up there) is to have a proper understanding orthodox theology about who He is and what He requires and what pleases Him. It's not loving just to have a pleasant emotional experience for Him or to think and do the things that you personally define as love.
I remember seeing his discussion of Gods law and Old Testament with Jeff Durbin and sending that to all my family members to worn them.
When he says "thou shalt not follow the ten commandments". That's all you need to hear. How can a man who claims to be a pastor tell people to not obey God? I'd like to challenge him on just 1 of them? Should we begin taking the LORD's name in vain? Should we begin stealing? Should we begin committing adultery? Committing murder? Bearing False Witness? I want to know what his answer would be to that statement.
Repentance is the key. Your point well made.
Jon, you are so right about the law being abrogated. Otherwise all an adultrous person need do is say, "I'm not an adulter, I'm just 'other-husband's-wives-attracted.' And, really, adultery was only an issue in the Old Testament, which is no longer relevant."
The law is still in place, but only over the non-believer. The believer is "dead to the law" and led by the Spirit instead. So the law is not relevant to the Christian. Thus we are told: "the law is not made for a righteous man".
I dismissed him as soon as he started rejecting the Old Testament, too.
The CNN article was 2012. The gay pride event mentioned occurred much earlier, in the 90s, possibly even the late 80s. First Baptist had moved to its new location in 1997. I had a friend who was a longtime member of that Methodist church across the street from FBA. She recounted that story of the Methodist Church having a table out front giving away water. As a result, some gays felt welcomed and started attending, letting the fox in the hen house. By a decade later one of their pastors was a professing gay, as well as many members.
Probably the 1980s
@@conceptualclarityI grew up attending FBA. It was definitely in the early to mid 90s.
The best answer I can come up with to the whole "we only have two commandments" is to simply reply "and has God been silent on how we should do that?" What I find is most people hold that position thinking that they are open to interpret how to love God and how to love others however they see fit. Suggesting the two commandments statement by Jesus is actually a summary of the whole law usually leaves such people in a difficult spot because they simply don't understand what they're saying.
I commend Jeff Durbin's "debate" with Andy Stanley on his Aftermath series as well as James White's take on Andy's recent remarks. I put debate in quotes because Andy's points are so incoherent I actually started feeling embarrassed for him.
Thank you Jon 💜
I totally agree ❤
I am 71 yrs old, been a BIBLE believing lover and follower of the FULL WORD OF GOD and for 30 yrs of my life! Watching my dear friends die around me and wondered why! I became I'll Dr says no cure, I sought out the GOD THAT SAYS HE LOVED ME AND ALL THE WORLD! GUESS WHAT? I FOUND OUT HE HEALED THROUGH LORD JESUS, ETC! AND THE TRUTH CAME TO ME WITH HIS BIBLE OPEN TO MY EYES OPEN AND SPIRIT OF GOD LEAD ME TO COMPLETE HEALING IN ONE DAY! As the yrs went on I realized sooo few pastors teach correctly!! And Charles Stanley was a soft pastor.... I could NEVER LISTEN TO HIM! NOW, regarding his son.... AS THE WORD OF GOD SAYS, "THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD WILL START AT THE HOUSE OF GOD!" and Andy, yours will be one of the first unless you make a fast change of "god's" for you are NOT serving the Father of Lord Jesus! YOU ARE SERVING THE FATHER OF LIES! WOE BE INTO YOU!
May God have mercy upon your soul.... MY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY REIGNS! People must READ THE WORD THEMSELVES LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT A demonic Spirit! Read people! Read! Mercy! 💜✝️💜👑✝️👑🙏
I think Andy is trying to justify his inner inclinations. They will come to light, eventually.
God’s moral law is universal and immutable…no matter what man may say.
Stanley ignores a requirement of salvation, repentance.
Never did Jesus invite sinners to join Him and to continue to sin.
To love God, is to obey His commands.
We cannot invite sinners to continue to be sinners.
Being born again means we condemn our sinful ways, repent, and commit to a NEW life in Christ.
Stanley is saying you can be a Christian and continue your adultery, homosexual behavior, thieving, wife beating, etc. You do not have to give up anything sinful.
You do have to give up being opposed to reparations 😒
good and evil don't work. you cannot be a homosexual and be a christian why GOD SAYS IN ROMANS 3:23 FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLIN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD, PLUS A MAN MUST BE BORN AGAIN AS JOHN 3:3 SAYS I TELL YOU THE TRUTH NO ONE CAN SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN UNLESS HE IS BORN AGAIN. AND PSALM 51:17 THE GREATEST SACRIFICES YOU WANT IS A BROKEN SPIRIT GOD YOU WILL GADLY ACCEPT A HEART THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN BECAUSE OF SADNESS OVER SINS.
I’m looking forward to your take on where the SBC took its first wrong turn. IMO the evangelical church lost the battle already when they gave up creation to the secularists, led by Lyell. If you cede the very first chapter of the scriptures to atheists, what chance is there of preserving the rest?
If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Psalms 11:3
Mark Noll wrote a whole book on the so-called Scandal of the Evangelical Mind to chide evangelicals for not embracing theistic evolution. It was heavily promoted for years in CBD catalogs. I was wanting somebody to write a book entitled the Scandal of Mark Noll's Mind or the Scandal of the Left Evangelical Mind.
Yes, they are indeed to be shunned as unrepentant sinners, in the very way you shun an unrepentant adulterer, an unrepentant thief, an unrepentant gossip, an unrepentant liar, an unrepentant murderer, and on, and on. This is clear Scripture: "... let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector ..."
The trip-up is to stipulate enormously that there is a conflict between Christ's call to love and the various restrictions in the Bible on behavior. The Holy Spirit is exhibiting love for each individual woman through the restrictions on leadership, just as He is demonstrating love to the individual men and women who are participating in the sin of sodomy by clearly stipulating the sin and how that sin will destroy a person. There is NO conflict for God; there is only conflict in the sinful hearts of those who choose to ignore this truth and go their own way.
The sinfulness of sin, the holiness of God,
The exact same Scripture,
The wide road and the narrow road.
It's stunning, terrible and beautiful, isn't it?
Jon, I noticed the Evidences PDF mentions something about Tony Evan's Kingdom Race Theory. I've never read it but it sounds awfully suspicious. Have you ever done a review or critique of it? If not, do you know someone who has? (I have read his Kingdom Men Rising book, though.)
He has
Thank you so much for the information about the Old Testament explaining the law in the New Testament I've listened to explanations before however the way you explained it I have a firm understanding... thank you so much for your ministry and God bless you for telling the truth with loving-kindness standing firm in the Faith.
You can't ride the "coat tails" of your parent into God's kingdom. I think Andy Stanley' s earthy following is due to his family connection...(not a spiritual one.) I still think Andy needs Christians to pray for God to open Andy's spiritual eyes to what he's doing (and possibly... for his true Salvation)..... Thanks Jon, Thank you Jesus☝✝
You been over the target on several issues in the past years which I expect has meant you’ve been receiving more and more flack. Keep up the good fight and please come back to southern Wisconsin when you can as I couldn’t be there the last time you were here.
The story about the gay pride parade and FBA letting out church early definitely occurred back in the 90s when FBA was still located in midtown Atlanta. I would’ve been one of those innocent kids they were worried about sheltering. I have vague recollections about the controversy, but I was young enough it mostly went over my head. To my knowledge, Andy Stanley would’ve indeed been there at that time, as he was the youth pastor for a time prior to taking a position heading up the “North Campus” in Dunwoody.
Stacey Abrams uses this moment in history to demonize the people at First Baptist. She likes to say "her church" unlike Stanley's church, gave out water. I'm not sure that she was actually present but this is another example of how the sjws virtue signal to shame Christians, traditionalists, conservatives, etc
@@misswinnie4.8 the funny part is that in order to attempt to paint conservative Christians as homophobic bigots, she has to borrow a controversy that’s literally old enough to have a graduate degree. The other funny thing is that the average church-going African American is incredibly conservative when it comes to things like LGBT issues and gay marriage.
I know it’s a bit off-topic, but Stacy Abrams presents herself as local grassroots, but she is 100% astroturf. Her life experience, background, and values aren’t anywhere close to that of a average urban black Georgian she claims to identify with. She came from an upper middle-class, two-parent household where both parents had graduate degrees, she moved away to study at an Ivy League institution, and her sister is a federal circuit judge appointed by President Obama.
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The idea that general commands would overrule specific commands just sounds bizarre to me, but perhaps that's because I'm a lawyer. In the law, it's a fundamental rule of interpretation that a specific rule will supersede a general one.
Of course, when it comes to biblical hermeneutics, you're already far afield if you're reading any moral command to supersede any other, because that presupposes contradiction, which can't be present in the word of God.
Andy Stanley thrives on the negative email - i.e., division he can generate within the church to differentiate himself and attract more of the disaffected.
I wrote off Andy Stanley after I heard him peddling the anti-racism cult in 2020.
I was at First Baptist Church from 1982 until 1992. I knew Andy, Layne, and Reggie and many of the first pasotrs at the Avon Property. I was asked to lead the college dept, at one time, but, I could not leave my corporate engineering job behind. (My wife would not have it) I went to Navigators with Layne and Reggie Joiner baptised my baby sister in his home church in Albany High School. I graduated from Westover high school in Albany, the same year that he graduated. His mom and dad were origonally from albany GA, I believe.
I have a better view than most, first hand, as to what happened up in Hotlanta. I was advised, by God, to get out of ATL in 1995. At that point in time
in most ATL churches, the mega-donors controlled the church start-ups. And most of the demographic of the North Atlanta location around the Avon Property was made up heavily of Gays.
. . . . namely sons and daughters of the former FBA big donor pool. In fact, FBA was guilty of moving its chirch closer to its largest donors, which created a blank-check for Andy to experiement in journalism and public-speaking at the upper campus.
My view and opinion, just because you have found out how to get the unchurched into your buildings and groups, doesn't mean that there are any quality-converts happening.
I was trained in 4-5 specific minstries, as a lay person, in a ten-year period in Atlanta, GA. I met louy gig and Andy through National Exchange Life ministries.
In the below text, let me explain to you what God is now up to in my life & yours, really, really soon.
As a 17 year old non-Christian I encountered a UFO, the event bothered me and my friends so much so that I became a Christian by the time I was 20, while at Auburn University. I reached out to my friends 20-30 years later and I then found out that they are all professing to belong to the WIckam cult. I have so many testimonial stories of how God got my attention to come into relationship through the Holy Spirit and by the testimony of Jesus. I dreamed in 1997, that I would be working in Cape Canaveral FL as a contractor for NASA. (20 years later that had & has become my reality)
Ever since September 2017, I have had rapture timing dreams projecting out at least what seems to be the End of this age in time.
Angels are about to take dominion back from the humans and the luciferian, fallen angel types will protest the change of venue and dominion. (Revelation 12)
The fallen angels are the luciferian types that were fromerly known as 'aliens'; but, after the govt. and the news media 'manufacturers enough consent', it will be revealed to
us that the 'fallen angels' are dwelling amongst us. Through deception, they will mislead many of those who are the 'very elect' of God.
Romans 8 states, "All those who ARE BEING LED by the Spirit of God, those are the Sons of God."
Wake-up and stop slumbering, the End Times with a major dominion & venue shift is getting ready to happen. "Receive Jesus as Savior" before the End TImes for you will be ready
(REV 6:6)
"Spoil Not The Oil and The Wine"
Amazing, Ms. Causey just casually set Jesus against Paul completely ignoring the fact that it was God the Holy Spirit who inspired, influenced, directed, Paul to write those very words. So, by inference, she has put God the Son in conflict with God the Spirit. How insidiously evil.
Hey Jon have u heard of Foundation World View comparative worldview curriculum? If so, what are your thoughts on it? I respect you so much and everything u speak about on this podcast. My pastor is the one who turned me on to you. Any quick thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!!
All I could do is pray for the soul of brother andy. I always had a tremendous amount of respect for that man once again that is between God and Andy and none of my concern all I can do is pray for him I have my own cross to bear
We have lost our fear of God and hell fire
.Hebrews 12:28 -29
28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29For our God is a consuming fire
Well, where's the rest of the video?
Mr. Stanley has demonstrated a sub-biblical theology for a very long time. It is tragic that so many of the flock at Northpoint appear to simply be unable or unwilling to deal Biblically and affirmatively with Mr. Stanely and his demonstrably false teachings. May God bring Mr. Stanley to repentance and bring clarity of thought and repentance unto the congregation at Northpoint as well.
I cannot imagine how people who genuinely love God could have stayed around to hear his continual outpouring of blasphemy that has been going on for over a decade.
Sure can see how people get messed up when we as Christians don't rightly divide His Holy Word....About 4yrs ago a friend of mine and i did a study on the book of Ezekiel..It took us 14 months to do that study..And even then we only got up to chapter 40..It was a good study..
If we're going to disregard Scripture regarding homosexuality, then how can we hold to other Scripture - that which condemns living together unmarried, having adultery, incest, or even bestiality?
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you." [1 Cor 5:1-2 ESV]
I wonder if he will roll back now everyone is calling out or will he increase speed on the progressive social justice bandwagon.
Seeing how arrogant he is, my guess is he’ll double down.
His biggest heresy isnt social justice, its the false gospel he preaches. The Bible says let him be accursed.
No he won't roll back. Debby Causey is an "ordained" pastor & licensed psychologist in charge of all "care" ministries at North Point. She is the person on video who baptized the homosexual staff member. 7+ years ago a woman living as a man gave her "testimony" at NP at Night. NP counseled the parents to pay for the mastectomy. They also baptized her under her "male" name. They have spent 20 years preparing for this moment.
Bit of both. He’ll tone things down for a little but while pushing for woke false gospel in his own church. You’ll hear some other wild take he’s got not long after things die down.
His ego is fully involved. It seems that nothing short of a minor miracle is needed. Praise God!
Andy Stanley was off in the 90's ....long b4 his mother decided to divorce her husband, and live her own way !!
HE IS ANGRY and lashing out at BOTH of his FATHERS
I know this seems shocking to many people who know and respect the years of teaching by Andy's father, but if you dig a bit deeper into Dr. Charles Stanley, you'll find he made some very unwise decisions regarding his family situations and leading his church. He is a true man of God, I have no doubt, but there were some major lapses in wisdom along the way and who knows how that affected Andy... We have to ask for wisdom every single day in raising our children and just beg for God's grace when we err.
That has no bearing on Andy Stanley's teachings today. He's an adult, he's been to seminiary, he's supposedly read the Bible, and supposedly has the Holy spirit within him. How he was raised in the church has nothing to do with this. Paul said that he forgot what lay behind him and pressed forward to the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. That's what we're all supposed to do.
@@afterdarkness-light Of course Andy is the one ultimately responsible for his own behavior and sin, but to say parents have no influence on how their children turn out is simply not biblical. ❤
I grew up at FBA and witnessed the missteps you allude to firsthand. People don’t know this, but there was a significant, yet largely unspoken, rift between Andy and his dad for quite some time. When Andy first left to start Northpoint he had more or less nothing to do with Dr. Stanley for several years afterwards if I recall.
I also knew several people who were on staff at FBA back in the day who would tell you that Dr. Stanley was a great preacher / teacher, but not a great pastor. As with any large organization with a renowned leader, there was internal politics, people getting let go for not being yes-men, and this constant feeling that the church itself largely existed only as a platform from which to launch his larger, global ministry / missions organization, In Touch, and that’s where his heart really was.
I don’t say any of this to denigrate Dr. Stanley, Lord knows he’s done more for the kingdom than I ever will. However, he’s a fallible human being just like everyone else, and I think it’s very obvious that he made mistakes in how he handled his own marriage and family.
@@SSPspaz So sad to hear this but I do think it's a failing of so many of these bigger guys.
Thank you Jon. Why do you do this work? Are you a pastor?
This is excellent. You clarified many truths. All of the10 commandments are restated in the epistles many times except keeping the Sabbath. In other words, the moral law remains for us. Only the Holy Spirit enables to live out these laws. Romans 7-8.,
He's laying the groundwork for him to come out I bet !
Our Church is in trouble
For a long time I kept wondering why Charles Stanley is silent about what's going on with his son 🤔 until I listened to one podcast that exposes Charles Stanley's true belief and doctrine even though I myself listened to him forever just like everybody else..🤔
It’s wired taking a few things he’s said, & not seeing the bigger picture. I think he’s a good Pastor. Bringing people back to faith.
A lot it the OT scripture was meant for the People of the time, not for 21st Century.
The Bible was compiled after the resurrection. I think he’s correct
I agree with 90% of what you’re saying . I think Andy began his ministry trying to get a huge lasso around as many people as he could in order to draw them in . I agree with Andy in that it’s better to invite gays to church and never turn them away bc how will they draw close to Gods love if we who represent Jesus do not accept all sinners into church whether they’re Gay or any other type of sinner of which we all are. I’m not gay . I don’t advocate for homosexuality but I would never shun them away or insist they aren’t allowed in church . The hope is that they will come to Christ and do everything in their power to not sin in the same way we try to do everything we can to not sin. If a homosexual asked to come to church with me , I would say yes in the hopes that God will touch their hearts. Jesus always hung out with sinners didn’t he ? So there’s a fine line here bc I see Andy trying too hard to please everyone at the cost of unwittingly moving away from biblical truth and that’s sad bc I’m not sure how intentional it is .
I am sorry if I hurt someone's feelings. But I am a Christian who agrees with most Conservative Republican. And Andy Stanley is showing that he is very progressive Democrat.
Well my brother was one of those gay people who walked around being super gay. I loved him enough to tell him that he would go to hell if he didn't change. My brother died being very bitter and alone.
Looks like Andy "Unhitched" from the N.T. too.
The more I read the Bible the more I see the old testament stamped all over it. Just read yesterday Psalm 107 (especially verse 23 on), and the disciples in the storm boat.
I agree. The OT is the roadmap to believers in begining in creation as to our purpose and His unrelenting passion in offering his Kingdom to us. The OT is also a colossal example of what NOT to do: continuously rejecting God's grace, leading, and living in disobedience. I view it overall as a love letter to all creation in still seeking us "while we were yet sinners".
I had no idea he was the son of Charles Stanley- no wonder his name keeps coming up 😶. Has his dad publicly disavowed his son's teaching?
Nope.
I think Dr. Charles is trying to keep peace in the family at this point. You won't hear this garbage coming from him.
Unfortunately no, it is obvious Charles doesn't agree with this but it is Very important that Charles Stanley speaks out against this and ask his son to repent.
@@valanme Charles preach his fair share of false doctrines, so it's pretty easy to see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. If anything, i'd say Andy is a product of his dad's false doctrines.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 sorry to DISAGREE, BUT you are definitely off track with your statement and what a sick statement to make to Dr. Stanley's God filled life and messages. Prayers for you 🙏 🙏 🙏
He should not be allowed to stand in front of a church. Such gross misunderstanding of biblical basics.
Thank you Pastor for such a truthful and direct approach to this prevalent parade of lust In present-day society.
As a grandmother I worry when our Public School system has a systematic approval and teaching of the so called PRIDE group. How does one explain to 10 and 7 year old in myfamily ?
Where did Andy Stanley go wrong? When he became a "pastor," for the Lord will judge him more severely.
Andy's sermon starting at 17:00 is spot on! The Gentiles were never required to live under the 10 Commandments, let alone expected to. This was God's law written down for the nation of Israel, and the distinction was the entire basis for the Acts 15 council's proclamations. Why are so many in the Church quick to forget that we are saved BY GRACE, as they rush to immediately subject us to living under the law again?
"We are saved by grace SO THAT we might live according to God's law!" they might say. What!? Israel thought as highly of themselves as well (see Ex. 19:1-8; Deut. 5:27-33). How'd that turn out for them? "But we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us SO THAT we may obey God's law!" they'll retort. Yet Paul writes in Galatians 5:18 that "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law."
Grace and law are 100% at odds with one another (see Ro. 11:6). If we are able or empowered to live according to the law, we have no need for grace, which would be anathema to Christian doctrine. The desire to subject ourselves back under the law when we have a better faith, a better covenant, a better mediator, and a better high priest is mind-boggling, and frankly heretical as it misleads people away from victory in the Christian life.
Romans 2:14-15 (CSB): So, when Gentiles, who do not by nature have the law, do what the law demands, they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts.
No one wants to preach repentance from sin any more. They dont want to tell people that they are sinning and need to repent for that.
In the portion around 31:00 and 32:00 when you’re reading the CNN article, you’re mixing time frames. Andy also tells this story in one of his books. Deep and Wide, I think. The CNN article is from 2012, but he’s referring to the gay pride march from back in the early 1990s or late 1980s when FBC Atlanta was downtown on Peachtree Street. Both the church and the parade would’ve been smaller. But still, it’s true that the right move was to protect the congregation. Also, this shows that Andy was thinking along these lines 20+ years before 2012.
Wow. Dude. I was totally tracking you with 100% agreement until you said it was wrong to invite the gay pride folks to church. Wow. I was with you all the way scripture and all. But we cannot tell someone to not visit our church until they clean up their act.
It depends on how "love" is defined.
I’ve been concerned he might pull a Bruce Jenner.
In the not so distant past, knowing that issues such as SSA are.delicate, and the circumstances and severity differed from person to person, these issues were dealt with on a case by case basis. Some Pastors may have come down very hard on individuals who were unrepentant and adversarial, but the majority of cases I saw were handled with great sensitivity. I am not sure where all of a sudden the church has to do an about face and repent for anything, and why now all the prominent Pastors are folding like a deck of cards on this issue. I makes me think they are either being threatened or there actually is some money coming in from somewhere. I pray that we do find out the truth. This issue has become too divisive and the folks who actually are struggling are being hurt the most.
You cannot expect pastors who are emotionally aligned with the Democratic party to be solid on this because the Democratic party has made it clear that exaltation of perversion is at the very top of its list of values. Anybody who's looking for a church need not concern himself long with whether they should be going to a church like Redeemer NY where they hear Democratic party talking points from the pulpit. Obviously the answer is no.
Do you think these bad actors are getting paid by the Democratic party or threatened by them? If so I really hope they are exposed. The stakes are high. I am glad I turned to the Lord for salvation 25 years ago and not today. I think I would really be led astray.
@@shamish-2960 I don't think the Democratic party needs to pay them. The problem is evangelical seminaries and colleges are loaded with faculty members who are worldly-minded and who strongly lean to the Democratic party and they are influencing and corrupting an awful lot of pastors. These evangelical educators want the respect of the world they love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they are more attuned with the high-and-mighty then they are interested in going outside the camp where Christ is and sharing His reproach as it says at the end of Hebrews. Ultimately the problem of a corrupt clergy is something that cannot be overcome unless we are willing to reclaim the institutes of higher education. This sham of evangelical colleges and seminaries that are scarcely different from Catholic and liberal Protestant institutions has to be exposed fully and has to come to an end.
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, ““Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.””
John 4:21-24 NIV
Remember Andy’s comments about small churches and selfish parents essentially? 🙄🤯. He did issue an apology for that one. 😒
What did he say?
Some wonder where Andy went wrong. Who knows, I don't. But being popular and having hundreds of people every week tell you how great you are is very intoxicating. I can name a dozen pastors that have gone the way of being almost to good to answer to anyone anybody. John MacArthur heads the list. Andy is right behind him.
I must ask the question I already know the answer to. Where are the elders?
The answer is.....they are men of low or no courage. They have sold out to a paycheck and a job. They have become apostate. They have left their first love.
I ain't talking about Bennie Hinn, or Kenneth Copeland etc. They're always about $$$$.