Torture And Abuse Inside The World's Most Notorious Jail | Extraordinary Lives |
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2023
- Ruhal Ahmed was detained without trial by the US government in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. He told us about the abuse and torture he experienced, and how he was eventually flown back to the UK in 2004 and released the next day without charges.
This is an episode of Extraordinary Lives, where we speak to people with a unique life story to tell. From a North Korea escapee to an undercover cop, a Cold War spy to a shipwreck survivor.
Hosted by LADbible's Ben-Powell Jones, this series is a window into remarkable experiences - with stories that paint a picture of extraordinary lives.
Thanks to Ruhal for taking part!
00:00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:06:20 - Trip to Pakistan and being lured into Afghanistan
00:04:29:10 - Trapped in Afghanistan
00:10:02:06 - Getting bombed
00:15:14:07 - The hope to get to Kandahar
00:17:23:23 - The prison in Mazar-i-Sharif
00:21:13:10 - Being handed to Americans
00:34:35:02 - The transfer to Guantanamo Bay
00:42:10:13 - Inside Guantanamo Bay: torture and abuse
00:48:59:07 - The confession
00:55:14:21 - After the confession: going back to the UK
01:00:44:22 - The Court cases
01:03:22:09 - Conclusion: the present and the future.
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I wouldn't fault this man if he hated the US because of this ordeal but good on him for being able to live his life and raise a family.
Fully agree
I do think he went to Afghanistan to fight.. I struggle to comprehend how 4 lads can get themselves caught up in such a state without their families intervening. As someone who comes from a south Asian background your family are very much a big part of most events in your life, esp travelling at a young age to that part of the world post 9/11. However he was proven innocent and illegally detained by the US. That fact won’t change despite his initial intentions for his travels
Incredible interview and a remarkable individual.
I can only imagine the horror of his 2.5 years in captivity. I was kidnapped and spent only two weeks in hell, I cannot imagine 2.5 years. Best of luck to him....
Mr. Ahmed's story was indeed extraordinary and humbling. I think that tells by how strong of a reaction he has gained with the audience. His tone and body language and story holds a mirror up to our society and makes us uncomfortable, as it should. I hope we hear more from Mr. Ahmed, we won't get access these kind of experiences very often. Wishing him continued strength and healing.
Thank you Ladbible for interviewing one of the Tipton 3, I’ve watched the Road to Guantanamo film many years ago, very interesting film which tells the story about the Tipton 3
Great narration of his own story and made more compelling by his Midlands accent 💯😎👍🏾
The wife part lost me at the end. During the interview he said he was single no attachments etc but when he was liberated he chose to make his first phone call to the wife - what wife? He also had a sollicitor? When did he have time to find a wife and a sollicitor and get married before ending up in that room? I'm sorry he was treated the way he was and there's a fair chance he may have been innocent but some things just don't add up, probably because he left out a lot of details and the interviewer failed to ask more specific questions.
It sounds to me like he just is no longer married, but yeah interviewer did not do a good job with that one.
He said he married his wife 20 days after he was released, and that she was here.... Meaning in the studio with them.
He also said he went to Pakistan for his friends wedding, then at the end when he got back to England describes how his dad was crying but angry at the same time “why did you go this and that”
Did he miss the wedding then 🥲
This story sounds dodgy. From a wedding guest to someone who buys shovel to burry dead bodies.
Ruhal thank you for talking about your life , your experiences , thank you :)
It just shows it doesn't matter how we portray other cultures and people etc, as a species, we're awful. We talk about how bad other cultures are but in reality we are all as bad as each other.
There are bad people in every country/culture, but the fact is that some cultures are worse than others, and some cultures do horrific things that are illegal in America
Yeah but America brutally blows people up and treats them like dogs. How are they any worse than a taliban fighter??
@@nicole_silvers Like mistreating POW??? Rgr
So i read a book called “The Exile” which was first hand accounts and stories from Taliban and Al Quaida relatives and everything this guy is saying is true except for the fact that he went their to help the Taliban fight the US , he was not swindled , there was no wedding, he knowingly went to fight. Also notice how through out his story at no point did he ever mention trying to call his parents. Any 17 year old that goes on any type of vacation, holiday, or just trips is always in constant communication with their parents. The first thing any 17 year old would have done had they been “Swindled” would have been to call THEIR PARENTS!! This dude is a liar and deserves what happend to him.
"I read a book", and you know everything. Did the book cover this very man?? May I strongly suggest you alter your alias to "unhingeduncensoredunitelligent586", more accurate so. Rgr
I disagree. Nobody, no matter what they have done, or are suspected of doing deserves to be treated this way.
@@Vennesla88bahahahaha hilarious 😂
Also wife thing. He was single and after release calls wife if I'm not mistaken.
@@sphericity7331 So if you´re mistaken, you´re spreading lies, you know that?? Rgr
That sound's seriously scary he was so lucky he never got on that truck and his friends jumping off too was a blessing!!! but all those innocent people that perished was so sad 😔 I couldn't even imagine being a p. o. w.
he was "pressured to go to afghanistan and "help with aid" which is a broad way of not acknowledging his fault in the situation.
He was 17 years old come on.
@davidlinehat4657 It's actually called:- "PEER PRESSURE" !!!!!!
“Oh no I was trying to go to a wedding in Pakistan but ended up in northern Afghanistan joining up with the taliban, how did that happen” 😂 hard to imagine why the military didn’t believe his story.
My bet would be that he was a dumb teenager fantasizing the taliban, decided to join them not knowing what he was getting himself into.
Yep ...he's full of it 😂
I am Muslim and have the full truth being told here. May Allah maalf me if my instict is wrong. I do not hear these kids calling their parents on day one, so that they can be rescued. I hear being free to roam, so as a 17 year old, the first thing is to call my parents! Also, they said they slept into the mosque as they did not have much money and now there is payment money for transport deep into this country.
Good point about the money
He also said everything is cheap in Afghanistan! Your instinct is wrong brother. Have some respect
Exactly why not call his parents…
@@unhingeduncensored586 From what phone?
@@catasrophieGrrl bro this wasn’t the 1950’s this was 2000’s where cell phones were everywhere…
A month after Sept 11 and he's wondering why he was apprehended
How do you not only end up in Afghanistan roght after 9/11, but then end up further into one of the hottest terrorist areas without realizing they arent taking you back to packistan lmfao dude was gunho til he wasnt
4:21 So you chose to go to from Pakistan to Afghanistan with supporters of the Taliban after you knew a war was popping off between Afghanistan and the US? Earlier you said you weren't, "paying attention to 9/11." You then paid for the cab that transported these fighters which according to you excluded you to Kabul and didn't know it was going to Kabul? Do you understand how that doesn't add up? Not excusing what America did but do you get how that explanation sounds like a made up story?
The war started after they went to afghanistan lol. so why would they be going to afghanistan to fight? thats why you're a youtube deactivate buddy
@ 3:50 to 4:18 He clearly states that there were rallies in Pakistan (where he was at that time) to support the Afghan people because "the war has kicked off." Then 5:07 to :5:20 as they get into Afghanistan from Pakistan he says he hears explosions and he said, "What's going on." and they said, "There is a war." He said, "Yeah I know there is a war." He 100% knew what he was doing. Go back and listen again.
@@nathanmcgowan659 war has kicked off I.E between Northern Alliance and Taliban, America was bombing from the sky and killing civilians, hence him and his pals went over to help with humanitarian work, it is well documented, don’t speak on this matter when even the UK and US gov have exonerated them and acknowledged that the Tipton 3 were victims of miscarriage of justice.
@@nathanmcgowan659 I'm a Pakistani living in Pakistan and before 9-11 many common Pakistanis could easily get into Afghanistan because the Pakistani military had allowed it. that was actually backed by America but the our military gave reason to Pakistani people that Afghanis are our brothers, they were encouraging common to go and do serve in Afghanistan and many common people did. they helped taliban along with Americans.
After they get to Pakistan they traveled around, zero mention of the ‘wedding’…I firmly believe his story fell apart right there.
This guy is lying through his teeth.
You don’t go to a wedding in one country and end up on the front lines with the taliban in another…by mistake.
I don’t agree with him saying “rightly so” about guys becoming terrorists after leaving jail, two wrongs doesn’t make a right?
@@kienhollis7468 it literally doesn’t matter what he’s been through in his life, it’s not acceptable to say he justifies terrorism. If him being tortured was so horrific, why would he wish that on others.
@@rachelw5193 Okay Karen, sorry, I mean Rachel. Perhaps keep your staunch judgements to yourself. When you're tortured like this guy was and remain a goody-goody, maybe then I'll be all ears to your opinion about how A doesn't justify B, because in primary school we were all taught two wrongs don't make a right.
PS. This is from a non-mslm, non-chrstn outside observer.
No matter what Nobody deserves that kind of inhuman and savage treatments that wild Americans prison officers did to prisoners.
And it´s also illegal. Rgr
He gave alot af details about his shitting habits during this interview but forgot to mention big details like the home office talking to him on several occasions
Imagine a hangover movie based on this
He keeps saying " if I remember" - dude, they made a movie about this!. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't think he is or was honest about so many things when this happened. I watched the movie maybe 10 times back in the day, and thought his story was bs to a large extent. He remembers every single thing and where he was, and why. Made a huge mistake, but clearly being deceptive.
Rubber dingy rapids bro
What a series of unfortunate events!
Well that's an understatement
Ruhal is being economical with the truth about how it all began. The title should read "Young man intentionally joined the Taliban in support of 9/11, but was captured and mistreated in Guantanamo Bay"
exactly
If my name was John smith 🤣
i watched this documentary style movie on this, called “the road to quatanmo bay”.
Man, idk. Not saying this guy is innocent or guilty, or that he deserved to go to Guantanamo. Just saying he is omitting something significant, and the interviewer knows it too. Maybe he is telling the truth but ending up in Afghanistan as a naive “oopsie” a month after 911 is a tough sell.
If there was a tiny spec on this guy he would have been charged. And to get a multi million payout from the UK government, again he wouldn’t have received a penny.
@@loolafly7967no, that just means he couldnt be charged with anything in the UK, not that he is innocent.
It might of been wrong place wrong time.
It might be something else.
@@BlutoandCo The payout made me think they basically f-up. Could you imagine the government handing out millions for someone who was involved in terrorism ?
Navigating the legal system vs what actually occurred is a very different story. It cannot be relied upon as the ultimate source of truth.
So we are stuck having to make our own conclusions - if he cared he probably wouldn’t have put himself on a public platform that runs on feedback.
@@loolafly7967 understood. I know much more about this case now.
Can't say I belive his story around Afghanistan but a interesting conversation non the less
You don't want it to be true!
Exactly what makes you not believe him
Imagine the events that transpired to accidentally join the Taliban, I hope I get to my brothers wedding ok, you know how easy it to get the wrong taxi and end up fighting in a war 🤦🏻♂️!. I think it’s also impossible to truly understand how little these guys actually knew about anything and how they accepted everything and sleepwalked (unwittingly) all the way to prison!. From a wedding in Pakistan to a training camp in Afghanistan.. could be the basis for “The Hangover 4” unbelievable 😅… truly!.
It depends. If one is culturally from those sides. It ain't that insane. Borders don't mean that much. what you allege may well be true(i too think so)
They were released without charge and won cases against the British and US govt but no British Mick knows there’s something else up 😂
Stupid Leftie Interviewer (University educated) sitting their lapping it up, no wonder this country is fkd
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
Exactly. I think you were travelling to go fight for the Taliban
Humans are the only beings capable of doing such things to each other.
Six days without water would normally kill an average person.
Three days would under normal conditions. You couldn't survive even that much in arid conditions.
At 2.30+-into the video he says 9/11. Dont pay attention back home......... Said no one ever!!!!!
Metal music on for 24hrs sounds like a normal week
Not for a Muslim+ they told me it's so loud you can't even sleep
Who would want to listen to that garbage for 2 mins, let alone that long 💀
For real, I would make requests for certain songs and bands just to mess with them…and sleep like a baby
@@Ab-cj6glHazeen is an ALL Islamic Death Metal Band. What do you mean? Music genres don’t see religion…race, color, or creed.
@@LeeBlegen dude music is haram in islam
This poor guy couldn't eat his PB&J sandwiches cause his nice warm mittens as he is listening to music...dude was living better than me! I'm totally kidding...good video dude
You go to a wedding - then get recruited into a 3rd world Warzone - as you do.
As one does
Did he say he got married 20 days after his return to the U.K.? He should have been in the hospital, getting treated. And when he is talking about how his life is so busy he says 'This wife needs that, this wife needs that' with a weird smile which I think he means he has two wives which I found very weird. There are so many things does not add up. I am no expert but if someone was not allowed to walk over 2 years, I am sure it would take them months to walk properly again.
@bey_86 exactly 💯 some of the muscle 💪🏽 would have been wasted away 4SURE
That doesn't make any sense.
At 17 I did some really stupid shit too. I get how this cud have happened, I also hear some “rubber dingy rapids” in the story. It probably falls somewhere between the two, a little of column A & a little of column B.
This story has a lot of controversy. To be honest I don’t feel enough was explored about why he went Afghanistan. He was in trouble in the Uk then diverted from a bucks so easily to the Afghan conflict. To be honest as awful as the treatment was I feel like it was actually an amazing turning point for his life, which has given him a new path. No one should go through torture in anyway. I am glad that he can have a fresh start with his family and I hope that his empathy for those who have taken a different path does not deflect him from living a positive life for him and his family
Yeah this is one I’m not sure about. You don’t go to Afghanistan the month after 9/11 no matter who you are or if your Muslim. Worst idea ever.
General Dostum was a mean SOB. Warlord really. I am skipping Afghanistan for my vacations.....still a very rough place
IF THEY WERE REALLY THAT WORRIED WHY NOT CALL THERE PARENTS BACK IN THE UK?
The best part of this is it won’t get any attention from the DOD or state department. we definitely have your biometrics but if you tell your story, make sure you tell the whole thing.
What a horrible experience.
To have them living in England, i know, bad isn't it?
I personally can’t imagine but, I know it wouldn’t take watching the news to recognize a huge war was happening in a neighboring country. 🤔🤯
You'd just look over your neighbors fence huh
I''m 20 mins in and I don't believe this guy. I feel like Ben is skeptical as well. Why would you go travelling in these countries all of a sudden as a young Muslim man when 9/11 has just happened? I did not believe him for a second
Of course you don’t as you are a racist
Hmmm. I get the impression, he liked the idea of being a freedom fighter for the gang that defeated the Soviet Union. Not sure it makes him a “terrorist” - he was probably just young and nieve.
Is he not describing the movie “the road to Guantanamo” lol very familiar
Yeah bro hes one of the tipton three
Right the part where he goes to Afghan is very murky.
He says he visited Bangladesh but then refers to rallies in Pakistan to help the Afghan people... "We were talked into going" there was hundreds there was busses!!!
Right this is where it doesn't add up.
So he was RECRUITED in Pakistan so the reason for travel to Bangladesh wasn't for a visit at all.
I get why he says this story as they have had a significant payoff.
But it's obvious why these young lads went to Pakistan and it wasn't a wedding the timing is just too convenient
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
No there was when they were released they went back for the wedding which was supposed to happen so there gose that theory
I watched it from start to finish, not once did he mention he visited Bangladesh prior to Afghanistan, it was Pakistan, then they ended up going to Afghan to do charity work in October when America was bombing the shit out of afghans, many aid orgs were in the ground, the Tipton 3 wanted to play their part but little did they know Northern Alliance and America are already on the ground and taking everyone prisoner regardless if you’re innocent.
When he's talking about the toilet situation you can tell he has animosity toward America he has to have been Taliban
100%
Idiots logic
I’m surprised your editors didn’t catch the blatant holes in his story. Guantanamo is an ugly blight on Americas history, but this man certainly wasn’t as innocent as he wants you to believe either..
It doesn´t matter. ANY mistreatment of POW is ILLEGAL. ILLEGAL. Rgr
You didn’t understand or know about 9/11 American or not it a relatively significant event
He hardly knew about 9/11 because he was only 17?? I was 8 and remember it vividly 😅
And I was 11 but I can't remember nothing cos u don't choose wot u remember and wot u don't u fool
I guess if you’re a non-American on holiday in a non-American country it doesn’t seem much more significant than hearing about a landslide or a hurricane in any other country you’ve never been to
Yup I'm pretty sure most of the world knew about 9/11. I was same about 8 and I can remember it like it was yesterday
He also said he went to Pakistan for his friends wedding, then at the end when he got back to England describes how his dad was crying but angry at the same time “why did you go this and that”
i think him and his mates could have gone to fight for Afghanistan, they got sold to the Americans
What’s concerning is he said he signed/admitted that he’s was a terrorist to the Americans.
he was then taken straight to the uk and interviewed in the police station, he went no comment and was released immediately 😮 I don’t think he was or is a danger to the uk but he easily could of been 🤔
Short version I went to fight shit my pants and tried to go home and they said no
Even the worst Super-Max Prison in the USA couldn't get away with treating their prisoners like that, no matter what they were there for, even mass murder or serial rape. I am shocked that there are Americans working there that have the capacity for treating people so horrendously.
The military screens for psychopathy and appoints them to particular positions. It's an old tactic. Only certain individuals are capable of extreme inhumane treatment for extended periods of time with no psychological impact.
Look up the Stanford prison experiment
Would you like them wandering around or, better still, residing in your home?
I haven’t watched this interview yet and I don’t think the J6 defendants have been mistreated as I imagine this guy was but they have crossed the line into criminality with the way some J6 defendants have been mistreated in custody.
Exactly what is he talking prison in america do treat ppl like that@@LS-fe4ob
Has others have a said there appears to be many inconsistencies here.
1. The call to his wife (this could have just meant his now wife)
2. The no comment interview would of had to have been advised by a solicitor. Even if he wanted to scream from the rooftops his innocence it may have been the best thing for him to do a no comment legally.
3. 9/11 was the biggest news in the world at that time. I was also 20 years old and I remember protests in Pakistan on TV and burning of the US flag etc. No way he didnt know much about it.
4. The time to confess. I am not doubting the torture he went through as he was specific on this. However he is extremely tough if it took 1 and a half years for him to confess. I would think most people would crack after the first round of torture.
5. He mentions the americans telling him he was at a rally with Muhammad Atta in 2011. Muhammad Atta was a terrorist who was killed in the 9/11 operation so the date is wrong. It would have had to have been before he died.
6. If he had community service and they dont know if its 1st of august of the 8th of Jan. 150 hours at 8 hours a week means he would of finished his community service between these dates. as would of been done in 5 months tops.
7. He says most people were innocent there. Maybe that was what they were claiming but a detainee eventually gave up a courier who eventually led them to Bin Laden so it did accomplish something in the end.
But was a interesting story. Ultimately he was naive and i dont think he will ever be returning to Afghanistan.
How horrible 😢😢 no one deserves this 😢😢😢
Despite the sunburn, peanut butter and jellies, and 'stage fright', this hero was still able to pull through. Nevermind the 6 weeks without water, I mean no man has done that, ever!
Hahaha
Just wondering, why didnt they make an attempt to call their parents back in the UK ??? Thats the first thing i would’ve done??
Such an amazing story. As an American, let me offer my sincere apology and recompense. We are a severely flawed country who believes that we are the all-knowing superpower, yet history has shown the world that we are a feral scared lost nation. I am disgusted by the actions of our military and the Guantanamo complex.
America is a lost nation.
Not at all. This guys story is mostly BS
We do not know what is true or not about this guy's story.
@@kn9300If he's a liar the government wouldnt have paid him to not go to court. American government is corrupt money hungry corporation who has murdered hundres of thousands in the middle east to further reach the extent of Nato for political and financial gain. Its world reknown at this point
But we know of the crimes nazi America committed
That's the question then isn't it? would you go to guantanamo bay for a million quid. No. No I dont think I would, unbelievable experience, and the fact all that mistreatment stopped as soon as he writ the false confession says a lot about "justice" in governments, and peoples of power in this world.
How this situation begun isn’t even remotely believable
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
21:47
The goverment didn't take you back. Because they new you was there to fight. They would of checked everything. There history there families... The supposed "wedding" everything
I agree, but why was he able to get such a huge settlement?
This is mad. Bro you grew up where I grew up. I hope to god you didn’t go there for terrorism, if you didn’t then I feel so bad for you my guy ❤
I think he did, but at 17 you do silly stuff
@@theshed3641ya remember that time I was a silly lad and joined a terrorist organisation lol wait no I didn’t
@@natrixxirtan you were probably a dork who did whatever you were told tho. When I was 17 crazy shit happend. Drugs, girls, violence. All the bad stuff. I’m not trying to brag or glorify that behaviour but I was young a stupid. As was this person. Not everyone is a dork like you
Was he single or had a wife? Or did he get married whilst he was detained? Some detauls of his story is all over the place (he said tge first person he called was gis wife?)
I think he meant to say "his now wife". She was probably a friend or a gf
I am so sorry to both you your friends and anybody else who’s going through this like you have. Taught me that my mom was right and so is my grad can ever trust in American they come on like they’re the good guys but they’re not. Nothing in life is so black and white life is gray.
Russian troll 😂
This guys story is mostly bullshit
Why do I find it hard to believe a word that comes out his mouth? I hope I`m wrong.
You’re absolutely wrong. It is well known documented and papers where released.
Sounds like a particular bias you might have there my man.
@@Daniel-tr7qy and what would that be? "my man"
@@batteryincorporated good to know, thanks 👍
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
Hard to believe in that initial journey with 9 people up to Kabul that not one of them informed them of the current situation..
I was there. Kunduz, mazari-sharif, and Imam Sahib
'Aid'.
Yeah we talked to the leaders and they were going to arrange for us to leave. Etc etc
A series of unfortunate events here.
Wait… How was the first phone call you made to your wife? I thought you were captured at 17 and then held for a few years. So when did you get married? You just blew the whole interview with that statement. Any credibility you had is gone in my opinion.
He probably meant to say his "now wife".
Wow you are so right. I don’t know about all this.
Whether this man’s story about how he got to Afghanistan is real or not is not the point. America illegally detaining him and putting him in Guantanamo for 2 years without charging him and instead illegally torturing him is the real story here. Guantanamo if illegal and against human rights. Most of those kept there were not even charged.
As an a american, I apologize on the behalf of those that won't, that anyone was treated such ways. I understand desperate times call for desperate measures but the inhumane treatment towards others, no matter the circumstance, is uncalled for. Our prisons on the homeland treat people better. This is close to treatment of those during the holocaust minus the chambers. I love this country but we have ALOT of reflection to do. Domestic and foreign
This is not about America. There are bad people in every country. You can't blame America for what some have done. And who's to say that this guy is telling the whole truth??! Maybe he was caught doing something really awful?? There's more than just his side of the story.
@nicole_silvers You're not wrong at all but when there are numerous accounts and photos of things like this happening, that's when the thinking begins. War brings the worst out of every person regardless of who or what type of person you are. But it doesn't have to be that way. Like I said, no matter the circumstance, it's uncalled for.
@@jip4709 I haven't seen any proof that what this guy is saying is true. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm just saying that there's no way to know if he's telling the truth or not. And I don't think apologizing on the behalf of all of America is the way to go about this. All you're doing is accepting responsibility for the actions of what some soldiers may have done, and that just breeds hatred towards America for no reason. Most Americans would not condone what this man claims happened, but when you apologize on America's behalf, it gives a totally wrong impression. We already have too many people hating America based on lies
@nicole_silvers Well take this guy out of the equation and look up other cases. I'm not blaming America as a whole. We still have standards to uphold. The rest of the world doesn't like us so much but still looks to us and things like that aren't a good look. So I'm still gonna apologize on the behalf of those that have done atrocities and that we will never hear from. Not for America as a whole.
like just how these comments read to me sounds like people around the world forget just how bad 9/11 was
He can’t quite remember what year this significant event happened. He thinks it might have been..
You say that but I can’t remember the year my kids were born as a lot of men can’t
@@Adamrevertislam what?!
@@timhefty504 without working it out iv got no chance iv got 7 children !! He’s asking him to remember a date 20 odd years ago a lot has happened since then
TWODDLE!! This guy was was a militant for sure
He should admit he went to fight the Americans.
This guys seems amazingly full of it. He just wanders into a warzone by accident through a series of coincidences... Or he is lying.
Why couldn't he just go to the Americans and tell them he's British and stuck there
I wish I could tell you why on here but I’m sure someone from your NCA,SIS, SS, etc could tell you. I’m a American and I don’t feel like having more door knocked on
Does he expect people to believe that he went to join the Taliban by accident a month after 911?
He didn't join the Taliban at all. He went to Pakistan for a wedding and the locals took advantage of them being young and clueless.
Joining a terrorist group isn't something you do by accident. An accident is driving down the wrong street or buying the wrong container of milk
@@Daniel-tr7qy hahahahahahah. Of course they did.
@@timhefty504 Right, exactly. Cause that's your reality. Going to the shop and buying milk. He tells the story so clearly yet you're so clearly bigoted you cannot hear what he is saying. You want to believe he's brown and intentionally joined a terrorist group.
@@hecter3008 Can you give me one good reason you would believe otherwise? A reason you believe he is lying?
They did horrific things in Guantanamo Bay! I expected more out of our American Soldiers!
As an American viewing this, I only wish they could have made it worse for you. Don’t join the taliban next time... as if anyone needs to tell you that. Zero sympathy.
Post capture is kind of believable… but the rest? Come on, give me break! Bill and ted’s bogus journey into afganistan. Had to watch it with my nose pinched to avoid the stench of BS. It’s clear the interviewer is not buying it either 😊
The interviewer is sitting there asking no question or believing this shit.
There are multiple documentaries about this same treatment at Guantanamo Bay.
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
@@hecter3008 so why did the British govt payout a huge compensation if he's lying and and guilty ?
@Broskisnowski so? That literally doesn’t make his story any more literally truthful, literally.
2.5m views and only 300 know where the like button is..
There's only 13k views as a write this...
Just winding me up listening to this guy, how naive does he think we are 😂
He doesn't know you to think you are naive
If he's a liar the government wouldnt have paid him to not go to court
Cant wait for the next episode, 'I started the caliphate by mistake".
Good for him that he's still willing to work. But being an example by not being there because you're working, is not really an example at all.
Is he saying the Met Police went to Guantanamo to pick him up? Wtf...?
His kidneys would have packed up after 6weeks.He wouldn't be able to piss.
His story is sus AF. He's not as innocent as he makes it
maybe u r brainwashed bcz everyone experienced the same. its not sus. its a fact that u dont want to accept. its sad how brainwashed you r and see these people as animals not human. Go learn some humanity and stop watching fox news!!
there are multiple documentaries and even proven by us themselves that almost most of the prisoners were innocent and held without any trial etc. tortured like unalive beings. THis is reality. And you cannot change how barbaric those agencies are.
I've spoken with American ex military. It's standard protocol to dehumanise the enemy in order for them to be able to slaughter innocent civilians, women, children and enemy combatants alike. The normal human psychopathy does not allow for the taking of human life without significant consequences. By perceiving these people as less than human, the atrocities and horrific treatment we hear about is not just possible, but also encouraged. The concept of drone warfare (essentially remote control killing) came about solely because of the proliferation of PTSD among US military because of the mentality required to treat human beings as these "humanitarians" do.
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The story is not very clearly 🤔told
I do feel a lot has happened to him.
lol sorry, I'm finding it so hard to finish this, this dude is spinning a lot of fiction here.
Oh dear sounds awful - I cramp already cool 🙏✝️😇💐hope heal keep praying
The story leading up. Makes no sense.. The timing is off... So his mate was getting married in 2 weeks... But you was in Afghanistan for 4 weeks.. It just doesn't make sense