Ex-IRA Members Open Up On The Training, Gun Deals And Prison Torture | Crime Stories |
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- In this episode of Crime Stories we sat down with Sam Millar and John Crawley, both former IRA members. Sam and John told us about their stories from joining the IRA and the training they went to how they eventually ended up in prisons and what was the treatment like there.
00:00 - Intro
02:35 - The IRA
03:48 - Training in IRA
06:42 - Scariest Moment
08:42 - IRA bombings
10:29 - Prison
16:43 - Afterthoughts
Thanks to Sam and John for taking part! You can find out more about Sam's story in his book - amzn.eu/d/b4RohBT and about John in his book here - amzn.eu/d/dc2R9Ch
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The stories of these volunteers speaks volumes of the injustice suffered by the Irish for 800 years.
At 2:30 it says Loyalists are those in favour of leaving the UK... Doing a bit of basic research into The Troubles before captioning a video about it is probably sensible.
I thought I was confused for a second
Big mistake
At 3:54 it says "nurses' areas" when it was obviously nationalists areas, if they're going to use ChatGPT to caption the video they should at least proof read it.
@@atomicduck7290 lmao that too! It’s like a book report and they put no effort in.
Does it say this in this time frame? Where? Genuine question...just got it without me glasses on
Dublin Monaghan bombing has the most fatalities out of every bombing in Irish history, conducted by the UVF and backed by British forces. Why do we never hear about it?
Cause the page is British owned and run and they have their own agenda; make the IRA out to be the bad guys. Don’t get me wrong, by no means were the IRA angels or saints by any stretch, but like you mentioned, funny there’s no mention of the UVF or British forces involvement..
Good question. The British lead a global campaign of brutality and have never been held truly accountable but their media is obsessed by what Harry & Meghan are eating. When I heard about Nazi torture methods, I was like 'yup' sounds right. They used that in South Africa and Kenya, way before the Nazis came into the picture. It makes me really bitter how so many people died all over the world, for so long at the hands of the British military. You and I should never forget it.
British propaganda machine at work at all times but times are changing and the dirty war is being exposed piece by piece
That was 2 bombs, the Omagh bomb was the single biggest loss of life
Because the UVF gang that carried out the attack were backed by MI5 and contained members of the UDR, part of the British Army. That’s why we don’t hear about it.
Amazing! I accidentally came across this video half a year ago and fell down the rabbit hole. I’m from Russia and before this video I didn’t really understand what kind of conflict this was and why are there "two Irelands" on the map. I have now read four books on the topic, including memoirs by both interviewers. I've watched dozens of hours of other interviews, including incredible interview with Seamus Kearney on John English channel. I watched documentaries, listened to Irish rebel songs. Thank you! I am absolutely mesmerized by these stories and by Ireland.
Russian intelligence shipped arms to the official IRA in early 70s with a fishing boat
Contrary to the subtitles, Loyalists are NOT in favor of Northern Ireland leaving the UK. Well done on showing you know nothing about the content of your videos Ladbible.
glad someone said this..
Thought this was common knowledge
This is pretty basic knowledge, a quick Google would have told them this.
Interesting Sam wouldnt say even now decades later what he and his IRA ASU were going to do in Belfast City Centre when stopped by British Army, he must have his reasons.....
Sadly many were killed on all sides , may they all RIP.
I always thought if IRA wanted to avoid killing civilians then why not blow up a shopping centre at Midnight rather than a busy Sat pm, their targeting was a disgrace and ex IRA members have said this.
There will be a United Ireland due to Brexit as much as anything and changing birth patterns.
I mean they’re terrorists. And there will be because the UK had absolutely lost it. I can see Ireland going down a similar route as the UK tbf tho
And for such a monstrous terrorist organisation their bomb kill count was beaten by the first bomb planted by a bunch of breakaway renegades, so you can't exactly say their goal was to murder all around them either. First of all , like the Real IRA found out very quickly, bombs like that are not popular, second of all, the British State mourned money a lot more than it did it's dead citizens, the Canary Wharf bombing (one fatality of a reporter who ran up close) and the economic damage it caused was one of the big reasons for the hardline British to be supporters all of a sudden, make no mistake
Margaret Thatchers aide on NI said the only time she gave two shots about Ulster or anybody in it was when a soldier died, hence it was best to Ulsterise it with the UDR, but she cared so little that she got the UDR(British Army unit) and UVF(the "terrorist organisation" controlled by British intelligence) mixed up in a memo
Don't get me wrong, some of their atrocities were just that, atrocities, enniskillen, no justification for that, Shankill bomb , may have been going for C Company, but no way you weren't going to massacre civilians, apparently the original plan was an M60 on the back of a truck to open fire on the top floor
"Changing birth patterns"
You make the mistake of thinking middle classers who never saw a day of the conflict in their lives but are quite well off, won't want a I tied Ireland just because they're Catholic
The goal 32 County Socialist Republic, if Ireland United tomorrow, it still won't be a socialist republic in another hundred years
I mean the UVF was partly formed by a known paedophile and suspected child killer, working for Special Branch, and was then handed over to Military imtelligence
Just have a wee gander at John McKeague and Kincora Boys home, Lord rapist Mountbatten was a frequent visitor too
@@geedee1264 you need to relise a socialist ethos is the by product of post WW2..... political outlook has changed and evolved from then...no socialist country has been successful in anywhere it was prevalent and western countries learned from that....less leaning left views was the outcome and democracy based on capitalism is the only way
My late grandfather was part of the security services in Northern Ireland, and I've always been fascinated by The Troubles. On a personal level I think, as an Englishman, that NI should be united with the rest of Ireland. It's a historical anomaly and the Irish have suffered enough at the hands of English people. I hope the peace continues and Ireland unites peacefully....
. i just watched some old documentaries made at the time and the IRA were so disgusting. the Irish hate them because they know they want power over Ireland. Did you know the Irish military would do patrols searching for IRA members with the help of the British searching on the other side of the border. they hate them. What I learned was that both protestants AND Catholics wanted actually welcomed the British and obviously the same on the opposite side. but it just shows that when the reffurendums are done and the majority of people vote to stay part of the UK its not just colonial protestants, but actually all sorts of NORTHERN IRISH people from protestants to Catholics. Also in the documentary it shows the IRA shooting a russian RPG at a car and missing, hitting the house behind it.Then the IRA guy throws a bloody grenade into a crowd of civilians in the street. fckn crazy.
"Loyalist: Those in favor of Northern Ireland leaving the United Kingdom"
02:29
Not true at all
Major fail they meant to put Nationalist….
Lots of the translating is wrong too. They have threats instead of touts etc. Ye need to hire someone with actual knowledge of the history/slang/language (hi, me! Lol)
Embarrassing journalism
In the subtitles? Wasn't wearing my glasses
Well they were in favour of an independent northern Ireland for about two weeks
good honest stuff
Absolutely absorbing conversation here so much to listen and learn from, I remember in the late 80s confused by the situation as they were the same people ie ethnicity wise, it is easy to blame Cromwell but that was hundreds of years ago. I hope the people of Ulster can unify and be as one and show the world what a special place it is, btw I am from Yorkshire.
English people never understood the deep seeded hatred and bitterness in the north.... because was a million miles away from their way of life.... although peace remains the bitterness is still rife
@@jackietreehorn5561 that’s just not true at all. Especially when the IRA started to attack the UK mainland. I mean seriously how ignorant and clueless can you be.
@@kallumcoekin3401 I'm not ignorant or clueless about it because I lived through it... attacked the mainland and no justification for it in my opinion tho after the security forces shot innocent people dead on the streets and took them to interrogation centers and were tortured and interned
@@kallumcoekin3401the mainland? Mainland Europe? The reason they bombed England was because the English didn't care about bombs in northern ireland or Scotland or wales for that matter.They targeted the financial institutions because quite frankly they didn't care about their citizens either which has been laid bare by the legacy act. Ignorance isn't an excuse.
The yellow text isn't just shotty, it's factually incorrect at times. 2:27 is not the correct definition of 'Loyalist' (to whom does this channel believe loyalists were loyal to if not king and kingdom?); and the 8:45 description of the Omagh bombing fails to notate that it was not carried out by the IRA to which these two men belonged. These two men belonged to the Provisional IRA (PIRA). PIRA was the primary (overwhelmingly so) Irish Republican paramiliatary of the Troubles (1969-1998). The 'Real IRA' (RIRA) was a splinter organization formed after the 1998 Good Friday Accord (meaning post Troubles) by a minority of dissenting former PIRA members. RIRA was responsible for Omagh, not PIRA. That is a monumental distinction.
Lastly, when it comes to civilian deaths (discussed from 8:54 forward), Troubles era paramilitary killings break down as follows:
Irish Republican Paramilitaries - 2,057 killings, 722 of them civilian (which equates to a 35% civilian casualty rate).
Loyalist Paramilitaries - 1,027 killings, 878 of them civilian (which equates to an 85% civilian casualty rate).
I realize these acronyms and groups can start to blend, especially for outsiders, but your channel has 2.53 MILLION subscribers, so no excuses, get it together.
Enniskillen was ira they were all the same anyway and all would have been in the ira at somepoint
As was Omagh. All
involved were ex IRA incl the bomb makers and their logistics support. Needless to say Gerry and Martin know nothing about it ?!?!
Filmed at the Ravoli Ballroom in Brockley, South London
I thought I recognised it!
Is that where Tina turner private dancer video filmed. Pira dancer any old Wolfe tone deaf /death tune will do
South London, cockney accent has been replaced by jamafrican
Loyalist in favour of NI leaving UK? Have a day off.
Two completely different characters! John definitely regrets alot from it where Sam would do it all again and is still very bitter
If you went threw what Sam went threw you would maybe understand
John said in another interview he has no regrets
John in special forces us marine
Sam wouldn't have felt this way without reason. Came back from the states and saw what's actually going on..
@@jackietreehorn5561 The US Marines aren't special forces...
i love these interviews
I know people that are former IRA. Their stories are insane sometimes.
Know that the kind of thing they tell you about is still happening.
What kinds of stories?
@@Mystik_Wokshooting people in the back and planting booby trap bombs.
@@clivesproule2342 No I think you’re confusing that with the brits
@@aidan-xd7nd definitely both sides - they were both bad
Hi John what a blast from the past...how the years have passed.hope you are keeping well.fionnuala😊
Just came out with a book called “the yank”
Just to point out a serious error in the subtitles - Loyalist are in no way in favour of N.Ireland leaving the UK . Loyalism is from the same branch of Unionism and they are very much aligned to the idea of N.Ireland being part of the UK. As the name suggests they are 'Loyal to the crown' . Unionist & Loyalist are terms used to denote persons from N.Ireland wedded to the idea that N.Ireland is and should be part of the UK. They almost exclusively come from a Protestant heritage. Juxtapose Nationalist or Republican are terms used to denote persons who identify as Irish and believe that N.Ireland is a part of Ireland and should in the future become part of a unified Ireland. They almost exclusively come from a catholic heritage. There are of course people there who are apolitical and neither identify one way or the other or both. They would see themselves regardless of background as Northern Irish , which is a unique and authentic identity in itself.
I served in Northern Ireland back in the mid 1980s. I still recall the first 'talk' we had about the IRA - "Forget all that you have heard about the thick Paddy - they are dedicated, educated and have the support of the local population". This was news to a lad from Cheshire. There was another talk about the Green card rules of engagement - the official talk and the unofficial one.
Green card ?? It was a yellow card pal
Glad they told you we were not all thick paddies, sure we only discovered fire and rock tools just before and the wheel not long after...lol
@@johnbush6901 You could be correct as it was long ago. In fact I have a memory of it being green and yellow.
@@jackietreehorn5561 I recall that Queens University was a recruiting ground for the IRA.
@@Mike-br8zt sure it was ...same place as the birth place of fragle rock
As a Irish lad that was born in the 90s… lost 2 uncles over the troubles… my family would b against Sinn fein still to this day says there sell outs… but my mother said on her death bed only way we can win the war is through politics… and Sinn Fein is not our party… remember bits and bobs from when I was younger… my mother said both sides were as bad as each other… we need to take the hate out of the small island as she said… people died for there beliefs… but it’s the people in suits thats ruining this beautiful island…
Although I understand your view on SF. They are only nationalist party capable of changing the status quo.
You wouldn't have the right to type the shit your typing if it wasn't for the IRA. Both as bad as each other?? You ever hear of what the UVF,UDA,UFF &LVF done to innocent Catholics? Go and learn some history boy
what's the strategy for a united Ireland 🇮🇪?
@@DublinDan a strategy? It’s a fluid process - it’s not been done before so it’s a blank canvas - if it happens it be Brits out (the legal term) the Africans in - if you know what I mean? I don’t believe Sinn Fein is in your best interest - they’re all for open borders.
Just my opinion
@@EpicAelflaed it has been done before tho with the 1916 Easter rising and post civil war...sinn Fein in the north used the same tactics as Fianna fail and they are hypocrites to call out republicans in the north for using the same thing what formed the state..... sinn Fein used to be a revolutionary party but they have morphed into a party absorbed into the northern government that they tried to bring down....I guess positions of power corrupts
1.21 in and I can’t do this. 30 years on and I still can’t do this
This video hasn't been out for 30 years
you can see that the right (more quiet) guy had fought some serious wars.
The man on the left speaks the most sense.
That's true
Thank you for your service
The Stickes and the pins refers to the official and provisional branches of the IRA.
2:30 no...the total opposite. Why can't British publications ever get "The Troubles" right? Also not going to mention that the Omagh bombing was done by the Real IRA post Good Friday Agreement (so not a part of The Troubles) which neither of these men were a part of? Seriously???
Scariest thing was doing it for nothing. So true so very true.
Northern Ireland in the troubles was only 35% Catholic , there was a very strong unionist majority
they bombed the brits to the nagotiating table and got power sharing....if it wasn't for the IRA Catholics would still be treated like shit at the bottom of your shoe
Ask the men and women that done the Whack if they agree
Surely at 2:30 they’ve made a mistake in the print??
eye opening
As Stated elsewhere in the comments I'm sure (I haven't looked yet but I'm confident), the definition of LOYALIST in the caption about 2.5 minutes in is exactly 100% wrong!
Both men listening to them I can’t imagine what they had to go through.
Bloody Sunday
This American guy when he was in English prisons was known as ‘the yank’. No one took him seriously.
Actually it was a word that rhymes with " yank "....
@@2msvalkyrie529 bank?
Proud to say these men are my country men brave brave men
How many kids did they kill ?
Warrington.Omagh. Birmingham...??
@@2msvalkyrie529way less than the illegal invasion of Iraq
10.22......so fucking TRUE
How dare Irish people fight to have their country back from foreign occupiers. Only Ukraine is allowed to fight back.
Lol exactly
ah yes, by going to other countries and blowing up children. Hope they go back to prison so the screws can give them a good hiding again.
The same Irish people who bombed Manchester? And a ton of other parts of the UK. Yeah sorry if people don't provide sympathy to your cause..
They were bombing their own though
You fail to mention that the majority of Catholics (more than 50%) in Northern Ireland have consistently poled as being in favour of remaining part of the UK. A clear minority, only 30% of Catholics, were in favour of a "united ireland". Regarding the protestant population 90% in northern Ireland wished to remain as part of the Union with the UK. So why are you so adamant to enforce violently the wish of a minority on the majority?. Isn't such thinking actually much more in line with Putin rather than fighting for the rights and wishes of the majority of people in the country? You are effectively supporting the right to "take by military force" against the wishes of the population, yet at the same time you decry (rightly) that same idealogy elsewhere.
This was not 2 IRA members talking to eachother, this was an Ex-informant talking to an actual IRA member. Very interesting dynamics
Will I can tell u Sam was now the informer and why do u say one is an informer
@@Mike-vt6kw When the one on the left start talking about why he joined, you see the one on the right getting annoyed. He even interrupts him to tell a good reason to join. At some point you see him thinking "was he an idiot or an informer?".Then the guy on the left staart talking about being sent off to get guns while he could do so much more you notice the one on the right getting more relaxed "ah, he's an idiot". But later you do get a hint of him betraying his buddies on the jailbreak and the guy on the right responding somewhat like "ah I bet yeah haha (because you are an informer)". Dont remember 100% but thats the gist of it.
@@henkvisser9741 evidence
You are saddo troll
@@henkvisser9741 Without evidence that is slanderous Mr.
How have you managed to say loyalists are for leaving the UK? You need to ask whoever added the text to this video for your money back.
Gteat to listen to you 2 .So intelligent @ knowledge of what went down My 2 pals were killed in premature explosions God be good to Tony @ Dermot from Cork.The Q M in Belfast turned out to be an informer @ i believe planted faulty dets
8:53 the joke writes itself
Loyalists were in favour of the queen hence the name “loyal”
"You`ll have too nail that to ma back"", some man Nugent.
Sam and John. 2 brave volunteers. Sam went through the full horrors of the blanket protest. When the screws tortured them on a daily basis
2 wrongs don't make it right.... I'm pro Palestinian, I'm English, but when you inform yourself of the history behind these conflicts, I hang my head in shame, long live a united Ireland... long live Palestine
Proud of you for actually taking the time to educate yourself, considering English people learn NOTHING of their global crimes sadly.
@@blackacidgaming5672 ah more blatant racism ❤
@@Madkroniik only to be expected
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@Black Acid Gaming I'm english we do learn of the crimes just only sinks in on a part of the population .
One blokes still ira thru and thru...
And should be in prison
It is interesting watching the film 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley' it gives a much clearer (I believe) view of what really happened.)
The wind that shakes the barley is based on the Irish war of Independence and the civil war that followed on the early 1920s. These men fought in the troubles which was between 1969 and 1998 and is a lot more difficult to understand and honesty very difficult to explain neatly. Two films that jump to mond that give you some insight into that time are "in the name of the father" and "bloody Sunday" there's also a VERY in depth documentary by the BBC called something like the secrets of the troubles you can find here on RUclips if you're interested in learning more.
@@sinfullPanda Thank you for your comment. I am aware of the timings. The reason for what i said was because it helped me understand the origins, intent and motivation for the IRA; that it came from a passionate and pure source, from being up against tyranny. Not as propoganda would have you beleive. Thank you, i may check them out.
@@gwyneth7812 you're welcome! Have a good day!
In the name of the father watch it…
@@sinfullPanda don't watch Hollywood movies to get an understanding of the troubles first of all....Peter Taylor is a great journalist who covered it for 30 years and also good books like lost lives, blanketmen, bandit country to name a few....there are many tho over the years
why do people keep writing that .. One of them was an informer? As far as I know none of them were
9:10 it was never intentional? That’s got to be taking the piss, how can bombings killing civilians not be intentional
Exactly what I thought, particularly when the guy said he nearly got arrested whilst he was on his way to attack the city centre. So he knew full well he was going to kill a bunch of civis
@@reecejones3187 Because they would send a code to the British letting them know there was bomb. The area would then be cleared. How did you not know this?
@@LeMerch Omagh bombing?, the streets and shops were certainly "cleared" of any living woman and children by that blast. How did you not know this?
@@LeMerch A huge bomb going off is never safe regardless of whatever code is sent plus the after effect on innocent people who have property damaged etc
@@reecejones3187 I understand that. The Israelis do it constantly to the Palestinians. The Americans and Brits did it in Iraq.
The IRA were at war with the Brtitish - it was a civil war, which is largely ignored in British media and history. A very sad reality that propaganda is alive and well in London media. But in saying that, the Provos (IRA nickname) weren't intent on killing civilian targets. They were intent on bombing strategic targets in order to obtain political leverage - just like the UK would do in Iraq, Ireland, etc. Its a fairly common practice.
The sad thing is that many people were killed. The other sad part about it is that many people in Britain didn't like it when it was done to them, but when their own Army was off butchering others - they are hailed as heroes. Sometimes the truth is in the middle on both sides.
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Disloyalty within the ranks of the IRA brought them down. Plus £50.
They did have serious problems with Informers, which hit a tipping point after Loughall ambush.
Their bombing by proxy campaign in the 1990s was definitely major mistake, reaction was so bad, that even hardline Republican supporters were heavily against it their actions.
I think Scappatichi was their downfall. Head of IRA security was an informer. He had penetrated their organisation in the highest of ranks.
He got suposed informers killed furthering destabilising the organisation substantially and severely hindering republican support aswell from the public and families etc. of killed informers.
would be interesting if there was an ex-UVF and a ex-IRA, gonna have to make sure its civil though.
Be civil definitely
Read the Good Friday Agreement. That's what they all agreed to.
Plenty of shows have both sides in the same room.
That would be a fascinating conversation. I can't see it being civil though, some wounds just never heal.
the Official IR A and the UVF met up to discuss social problems like housing, but this got the UVFaccused of communism and they had to stop and renounce it all
As John correctly states elsewhere, the Good Friday Agreement was a deal done between the UK and Irish governments with the Shinners and nutty Loyalists kept within earshot. That's about it.
After Ruairí Ó Brádaigh and Dáithí Ó Conaill power and influence had been eroded with Sinn Fein, British military intelligence knew that Adams, McGuiness and co would be likely to do a deal with the Brits further on down the line. Gerry always wanted a career in politics anyway 😂 and McGuiness was militarily incompetent, despite his so called "ive done the business" persona.
This is why both Adams and McGuiness never did any real jail time. They were more useful to the British establishment OUT of prison, not in it. Once in jail, an PIRA member loses their rank and so, if that were to take place, Brit military intelligence would then be faced with a possible unknown hawk taking their place and then running the show their way. That simply wouldnt be tolerated and allowed. So, it served a purpose for McGuinness and Adams to be out and in place, where they were designed to be!
Another case in point, Eddie Carmichael was the Belfast Brigade OC of PIRA in the early 80s. He was standing up to Adams and didnt agree with how the movement was being run and funds diverted away from military operations and towards Gerry standing as an MP and so when he rocked the boat too much, his services to the movement were dispensed with (it was either leave or get shot dead basically). This is the Belfast Brigade OC we're talking about here. One of the biggest and influential brigade areas.
Great interview. But the irony of saying the English should have kept out of Ireland from an Irish American.
Thing is too few Native Anericans left to ask them to leave...
Well said
His parents were Irish. He's more Irish than American. Also, John would agree that the colonisation of America was wrong. Oh, and who did that? The Brits!
@@censedfear French, Dutch, Spanish...
@@dnicholson6465 Indeed, primarily the Brits though, and not Irish emigrants like you suggested. The Irish only migrated in the first place because of English policies in Ireland which discriminated against them on religious, political and social grounds - then of course the famine happened too.
Most killed in one day was Dublin Monaghan bombings done by loyalists on the order from and helped by British intelligence. Lamb Shankars
That was an act of war against the Republic of Ireland by MI5 British government.
@@Randman64 against the IRA*
The PIRA were infiltrated to the very top, including their army council. The collaboration between the British security forces & the loyalist death squads was a classic anti insurgency technique, the Americans did it in Vietnam with the Phoenix operation, which was a shit show in comparison.
Sam was defo IRA feels like John's just heard a few stories
The IRA wasn’t a large organisation, every member at that time would have known each other Atleast by name. Given how secretive and difficult it was to join at the time
John would not be sitting across from Sam Millar if he was a fraud. That’s just not how it worked
Read johns book , he was very much IRA .
John would still be in jail now if it wasn't for the GFA
@@jackietreehorn5561 lack of research on my end
😂 you people talk out your a ss. He was jailed twice for being in the IRA
Proud of both men, beautiful
Yeah beautiful. The lad on the left is also a bank robber. 7 million dollars robbed in the US. A real pair of heroes with books to sell.
Typo in the video
"Loyalists" more or less are extreme "Unionists" who think their British and support the North of Ireland remaininig occupied by England.
Now loyalists care more about drug Dealing then the union 😅😅😅
and the republicans don't?
Aren't both sides organised crime now?
IRA were heavily into Drugs extortion and prostitution. Most of them also touted on there own comrade's for the queen's shilling 😂😂😂
The IRA were the main route of cocaine and heroin into Dublin, lets try to be balanced.
Pure scum
Sam is a legend
I'm from Derry and it's a disgrace that the soldiers and commander who carried out the atrocity of bloody Sunday were never convicted....without the resilience and determination for justice by the Derry families the British government would have never apologised....all beit over 30 years later
Doire Abu
Neither were the other side of GFA. If the IRA members got an amnesty, so did those soldiers. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Well damn 😮
Did I just read what I believe that I did !!??…Loyalists defined as ‘ those wishing to leave the UK ‘ !?!….Gobsmacking. Although people like Andy Tyrie and the UPRG certainly did flirt, in the 70s,especially, with notions of a 6 county UDI, a la Rhodesia, this was NEVER a train of thought with any mass appeal to Protestants !
The man read my mind with the first sentence "not a rime story". Also saying "nationalists didn't support the IRA" that changed too.
Do you know the difference between nationalists and republicans
@@jackietreehorn5561 I'm from Ireland.
@@countsmythgood
Nationalist do not support the IRA, they support that Sinn Féin changed so much to become more nationalist than republican today.
@@countsmyth probably would say they’re terrorists then
Fascinating to listen to the views of guys who back then where labelled as terrorists.Historically British empire mentality occupation of Ireland Didnt win many hearts and minds not with the locals leastways.A lot of young British soldiers where posted to Northern Ireland they had no choice and lost their lives.I hope in this new millennium Britain and Ireland can work together to create economic opportunity for their citizens learn from the bad decisions of a very unhappy past.
An understatement to say the least.....went on hundreds of years
Boy on the left definitely was not a plant
When the IRA in South Armagh were infiltrated & they were and it wasn't just McGinn the sniper, that was the end. Politics was always the way. Unionism has far less, in fact nothing to fear from a Dublin Govt than a British Govt they are loyal to. That loyalty is one way.
Same way each way no brother it's not political it's still political god be with ya both
Wonder what this guys fellow americans thought of his little personal "operation freedom" in the days following 9/11 as the body parts were being collected off the street of NYC. Takes some of the "shine" off his "political struggle".
Fellow Americans? His Irish you clown
And invasion of Iraq was totally illegal and had nothing to do with it
As A Scot you fought for your Country as I am for mine. We may have done it differently but I am proud of you. You showed the English need to leave us alone X❤
Northern Ireland is Scotlands fault
How exactly are you fighting for Scotland?
@@davidleitch9944 sheep's intestines are hard to throw like a discus
@@davidleitch9944 never you clown
Except the Scots had a habit of raiding the North...
I'm from England and what these guys went through is fucking disgusting and I would like to think 99% of the UK population would agree with me! I believed in their cause. If they wanted an independent country who the fuck is our government to tell them otherwise?!
so you were ok with the murder of those two children in Warrington. Strange how some of you Brits support terrorists, you were probably ok with the Hamas massacre and gang rape as well,
well, how about you go over to Northern Ireland where you'll see how the majority of people actually living there want to be part of the UK until THEY decide otherwise.
@@kallumcoekin3401the majority vote that was ignored in 1922
@@jackietreehorn5561 bro you are proving you are clueless. wtf are you on about? 1922?
@@jackietreehorn5561 mate what are you on about??? 1922? there's never been a majority vote for Ireland to leave the uk.
It takes a brave human being to survive 7 years like you did much respect for coming through that hell both men I have so much respect for.
Got to them squabbling over eachother at 10 minutes in and have paused it never to he resumed.
I feel for these lads. They wanted what was best for their country.
They wanted what THEY felt was best for their country, the majority in the actual country disagreed and had their own view what THEY felt was best for their country. The conclusion was that planting bombs and blowing children apart in the streets was the way to settle the difference in opinion. I feel for those that were ripped apart by the nails in those bombs.
@NoseyCurio yeah why was this? It was in retaliation the rebels won we got catholics in the north equal rights and protection
@@davidleitch9944bad times....but you might have a very different outlook if you lived in a nationalist area
@@davidleitch9944 sorry picked you up wrong....from the border meself
@@davidleitch9944 respect your opinion... Belfast was always the epicenter of sectarian bigotry in the north... On the border was the biggest heavily militarized zone in western Europe and claimed they were there to keep the peace when 99 percent of the population was nationalist, only there to antagonize and fly the British flag......I have moved on too but from an historical point of view can see why many young people were sucked into the signs of the times
The elephant in the room is no one from the South wants the North to join.
i cannot imagine the horrors these two went through but as a welsh woman i can imagine myself reacting the same
sams strength would carry me through
Ah yes the horrors a terrorist went through must've been horrible😢. Did you just decide to write the most idiotic thing possible today?
Shame on you then.
You would have planted a bomb in a place where civilians ...incl
kids .....were certain to die.??
You need help .Or prison..?
The Omagh bombing was carried out by dissidents republicans who split from the Provos.
Dublin and Monaghan bombings, Mc Gurks bar. Bombs made by the British, the loyalists wouldnt of had ths brains or capability to do that.
2:01 for every 1 civilian killed by a paratrooper on that day the Ira killed 5 catholics, the lack of self awareness shown by these two ‘men’ is simply unbelievable
That's war.
@@kiki29073 sure, war is when you intentionally kill the people you proclaim to protect
@@kiki29073 when was war declared? By some angry Irish nationalists?
@@marcomagagnin12 When the British soldiers killed 6 killed children in Derry, that was when people decided they had to fight back.
Only reason the IRA exists is because of the heinous crimes committed by the British army.
9:11 bs he didn't want civilians to die
It's actually not, the IRA were acutely aware of the propaganda war against the British, and, for the most part, called in bomb warnings when targeting infrastructure. That's not to say they didn't kill civilians, they did, the same with any belligerent in a war scenario.
under 50% of their victims were civilians, 89% of loyalists were, and the British army themselves had a unit called the MRF who also actively targeted civilians.
I honestly suggest you stick to whatever period of history you have a clue about, because you clearly know absolutely nothing about ours
Ero
good.. terrorists you was planting bomb not saving dolphins
Loyalists in favour of united kingdom not in favor of northern Ireland leaving the united kingdom
The whole saga could have been without bloodshed.
The Irish should have been given their North back and become a republic.
UK should have pulled out of the 1947 agreement on Dual Irish Nationality as well as UK residency status.
Finally for good measure Britain should have pulled out of NATO as punishment for USA complicity
Britain are usas lapdog
But it’s the people for the north who didn’t want to join the republic. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ they’ve had so many opportunities to leave and every time the majority choose to stay. It could’ve been avoided if the IRA weren’t disgusting terrorists. They would’ve treated them like shite if they joined.
Actually Ireland voted for independence in 1919, they couldn't give the entire province of Ulster as there were too many Irish Catholics in it, so they have up six counties that could be gerrymandered, while the Irish hi Keith were horrifically oppressed, I suppose you know by now that even the British have admitted (because they've had to) that not only did the IRA not fire a shot on Bloody Sunday, let alone the first shot the only return fire was a single member of THE RIVAL FACTION of the Provisional IRA. that's what happened when they tried to rally peacefully, they got shot dead, then slandered
Bobby Sands the "IRA terrorist" who died on hunger strike, didn't want to join the IRA, he wanted to work, even after his family was burnt out of Rathcoole, then his workmates held a gun to his head and said if you come back again you won't fucking leave you fenian bastard
@@geedee1264 I mean the IRA aren’t any better. DEFINETLY not any better.
They seem genuinely bitter about the fact that peace has been achieved in Northern Ireland, and there is a Catholic majority now, yet most people want to remain part of the UK, and any time a majority want to leave, a referendum will be conducted under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement - leading to unification if that is the will of the population.
Sam Millar 👌💯🇮🇪
Thatcher has so much to answer for.
In the miner’s strikes too, she infiltrated the workers’ uprising with British Army operatives, taking the level of violence and mistrust to a fever pitch- there are even people today who have to hide in fear of their lives for being scabs back in the 80s. She was an absolute maniac. To see the Northern English and Welsh towns and cities who’s industries she destroyed and then flooded with hard drugs to stop the rioting, now voting Tory is very sad. And the way she manipulated the entire media focus of the Troubles so that British people had no idea what was really going on is so frightening looking back. Add to that the thousands of men in their teens and 20s that died of AIDS with nurses in Hazmat suits pushing a tray under their door as they died all alone, with her and Reagan controlling the narrative and delaying proper research and information- the needless war in the Falklands - yes, that woman died with so much blood on her hands. The 70s and 80s were a terrible time for so many because of her.
You won't get much out of a coffin but you can try
@@Finn.Muller Sure we can do what they did to Cromwell 🤣👍
@@Michael-hk6dj wasn't he exumbed and hung again?
@@jackietreehorn5561 he was dug up again then hung, drawn and quartered.
The guy on the right said he was on his way to a city centre to do a lot of damage when he was arrested so he was completely fine about the civilians he was about to murder. He’s as bad as the British military he claims are the issue
The IRA used to send code warnings to clear the place before a bombing.
Damage to electricity pylons not civilians
@@slaneydog9182 1) you can’t be 100% sure nobody will be harmed. 2) people’s property being damaged causing significant impact
@@reecejones3187 there only minor details when fighting the oppressor
@@slaneydog9182 yet the IRA were the ones being terrorists to the people of Northern Ireland who didn’t want to join the Republic of Ireland. They were also terrorists to the British mainland. Talk about oppressors, if the north were to join, a lot of people would be oppressed and would not have a nice time.
They are still alive so much for torture! They should have been tried as terrorists and if any of them held a British passport found guilty of treason and dealt with the good old Soviet way!
They were put in purpose built prisons and tortured...so much for democracy
Godbless you both and all your fallen comrades. Only the people who stood beside you will truly know what you endured.
As an Irish descendant I salute you both truly. The empire had the power to corrupt, the empire always had the power.
You fought and suffered regardless, I hope you can find peace in your own life if not peace in the world we live in.
As an Englishman I tell you this the British have caused so much trouble
Well said John Crawley and Sam miller 🇮🇪32
"NONE of this would've ever happened if the British government had stayed the FUCK out of Ireland!" The whole conflict summed up
did the IRA recruited Africans in their organization?
No but a north African supplied them with most of Their weapons
When Sam Millar said at the end: 'I would do it again' [and] 'for the freedom struggle of Ireland' they might be the most patriotic tears that have ever fallen down my face. Franz Fanon was right when he said that colonialism and oppression ARE inherently: violence. The (yes even violent) fight for freedom and recognition of equal human rights for oppressed communities cannot be morally compared to state perpetrated violence. Without for a second trying to negate or dismiss the human cost of IRA related civilian casualties, just listening to these two men you can see the fallacy of the British rhetoric. There's no mythical 'terrorism' intent here. There's no hatred. Notice the distinct LACK of of valid arguments to disagree with their rationale. The British shot and murdered civil rights protestors and innocent people for the crime of existing in catholic estates. They even murdered a priest tending to a victim while waving a white napkin. . The stats show that the vast vast vast majority of civilian deaths during the Northern Ireland civil war (the Troubles) were Catholics killed by the British army, police or Unionist militias (who were thugs backed up by a police force and a fucking army for god's sake). They blocked food deliveries to punish catholic communities. They imprisoned anyone they wanted without charge. The fact that the British public can still indulge in the fantasy of "British values" is a testament to the corrupt faux-democracy in the UK propped up by an establishment adjacent media overwhelmingly controlled by rich, privately educated pro-colonial, classist toffs. These men are just two examples of a mountainous volume of raw human self-sacrifice that echoes throughout centuries and across continents in the face of an unyielding, unapologetic British colonial machine.
They are unrepentant terrorists.
Civilians. The murders carried out by the IRA in the nationalist community was far greater than those carried out by the Army or RUC.
Sadly civilians are always the biggest casualties in every conflict
Except they didn't have any mandate from the Irish to do what they did. They killed men off duty, used proxy bombs and fired from hostages windows. But anyway here's a tissue for your tears...
And did the British armed forces have a mandate from the British public to murder the literally millions of people across the globe that have died in the name of 'British Empire' through brutal colonisation and exploitation? Considering the sycophantic way the royal family is still fawned over and worshiped whenever they sneeze, marry someone, have a baby etc it certainly seems so... The British establishment nor armed forces had a mandate from anyone to colonise Ireland let alone murder Irish citizens for literally 100s of years, breach human rights and torture prisoners that they held without charge.... but I don't see you pointing that out. The fundamental difference between the inherent violence of British oppression and the violence of the IRA for example (and yes it's all violence, and all violence is repugnant) is that the Irish were fighting for freedom of oppression and the British government, true to form, pretended they were the victims.
Crowley could have had a more positive impact for the IRA! But ego s got in the way! Always the case!
You have no idea how correct you are.
Its disgusting how those in authority (prison guards) can get away with abuse like this. I fear it still goes on
Not as bad as killing innocent little kids tho is it?
disgusting how these men are given a platform after organising the murders of hundreds of people
It 100% still goes on. Look into Saydnaya prison in Syria. It’ll change the way you look at humans once and for all.
Mate these guys joined a terrorist organization, you wouldn't think twice if an isis member was getting tortured by prison guards.
These monsters killed men women and children destroyed family's they got off lightly It was terrifying you had look if there was any left behind back just incase if you haven't lived through that then you have no idea I do know I lived through it these monsters should still be in jail for they're life's
British plan ,, Erie,, Iraq,think we don't know,,💚
Can you tell which guy was a leader and Which one was a low level foot soldier??
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The whataboutism always gives it away
They were both volunteers
@@jackietreehorn5561 well fuck me what a reply 😂😂
Possibly the dumbest comment I’ve ever read…
They were both rank and file volunteers. Neither man was a commander or leader.
@@censedfear they were all volunteers 😂😂
They never had a National service 😂
@@censedfear you must be Irish that’s the most Irish comment I’ve ever heard
Real men 👌👌
terrorists***
"Self perpetuating clique", hit the nail on the head, sinn fein sell outs...........
Great discussion lads
Im a Bostonian so it was meaningful 2 me.
Both sides of my family from Rebel Cork!
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Just please don’t think the IRA were good. They were disgusting terrorists.