Mafia Boss & London Gangster Reveal Their Most Violent Crimes | Crime Stories
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2024
- In this episode of Crime Stories, former mob boss Michael Franzese (@michaelfranzese) and old-school gangster Bobby Cummines meet for the first time to compare violent crime in New York and London. They discuss what it's like to take the Mafia blood oath, work alongside the notorious Kray twins and reveal the brutal regrets that still haunt them. Both agree they are lucky to have escaped the dangerous world of organised crime with their lives.
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00:00 - 01:09 - Introduction
01:09 - 04:47 - Getting Into Crime
04:47 - 08:22 - Becoming A Gangster
08:22 - 11:47 - Violent Crimes
11:47 - 15:35 - Mafia Vs Underworld
15:35 - 17:15 - Rule Of The Life
17:15 - 19:06 - Regrets
19:06 - 22:18 - Police, The FBI & Prison
22:18 - 25:15 - Going Straight
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Thank you to Bobby and Michael for taking part in this episode.
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Both 72. I would not have thought that.
@@TJ-vt6rt Michael definitely doesn't look that old eh
Michael was never a boss
Great dialogue BUT Bobby and his “mmm” and “hmmm”, is insufferable. Like nails on a chalkboard sheesh.
@@f32440iBruh you do know he was a street boss right. That’s literally what he was. Caporegime basically signifies head of the family at least in Sicily. Caporegime (street boss) is the head of an organized crime syndicate who commands a crew of soldiers. So a captain or caporegime as well as an under boss which actually in Michael’s time was Sammy, were street bosses. Different titles but literally street boss. So yea Michael was indeed boss, a street boss.
Michael: *breathes*
Bobby: MMM MMM MMM MMM
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kinda Annoying🤣
I found it soothing to be honest, Bobby has a calming voice.
@@SilentHotdog28 when he's speaking I agree but not when he's making caveman noises during someone else's turn to speak
@@Isiah-yr1eu lots of boomer Anglos do this
As a Brit I didn’t even notice his “mmm, yeah yeah yeah” until I read the comments, that’s what it’s like talking to older generation English people😂😂
german here. didn't notice it much either. kinda just means: "yes i am listening to what you are saying" i assume
All the older blokes i know do it just lets you know there still paying attention
@@thecursed01 same
@@magosofmars8410I assumed so because over her in America, our old heads just say “right, right, mm hmm, right” to show they’re listening. Kinda interesting how different cultures have different ways of showing interest lol
@@ricemunchiesWell that’s pretty much what Bobby is doing here, it’s just a reassuring gesture to let the other person know they’re agreeing and engaging. I do it to some extent with facial expressions or nods though👍🏼
14:16 "no no we don't go down that route." was so funny bruh like the fact that the reporter actually thought
For me it was like Bobby tries to stop that questioning for both of them right there. He was not thinking only for himself, but also for Michael. That is shown of respect he has for Michael.
@@2Face21 Most of it is so that they can't get into more trouble or make problems for themselves with politicians they worked with. As they said, they have peace now.
@@theasiangod5860I don't really think they deserve it though
Michael has never spoken about anyone involved that is still alive, so chances are those politicians are still alive and in office.
I see
It’s so funny hearing them back track and be like “WAIT! ALLEGEDLY!” Like maaaaan we all know you did it 😂
Yes but the way things work in the Criminal Justice system in the UK is, if you commited a crime 50 years ago, you could still get nicked for it years later. So he's careful about details.
@@ChaoticNarrative yeah ik that lol I’m pretty sure it’s the same way here in the US too
@@ismaelrivera9179 Yes and no. It does depend on what crime specifically, but look up Statute of Limitations if you would like to learn more.
@@ismaelrivera9179 More than likely. I'd say so, yes.
@@ismaelrivera9179it depends on the crime. In the US we have a statute of limitations (meaning a amount of time before you are no longer able to be charged for a crime) on most crimes except for murder.
The fact that Mike is older than Bobby is mindblowing
Mike's father died just a couple of years ago at the age of 103. He's got some really good genes in him.
Try a lot longer in jug. Franzese was only in for a shit n a shave, Bobby done full 18yrs.
Yeah it’s two decades in prison vs somehow avoiding long prison sentences
13 years@@paulwilliams2663
@@paulwilliams2663no, he did 13 years
There’s just something about hearing two gangsters say “I’ve heard so many great things about you” that’s wild.
Lmao yeah i was like wtf
Their definition of great is a lot different than mine...
Maybe it's a polite way to say "I would never mess with a man like you"
You do realize gangsters are honestly really harmless unless you fuck with them.
Their way of business is humane most of the time. They aight tbh. Just don't fuck em
@@Simp4Ahsoka. you've never interacted with anyone in this world in your life, they're all scumbags.
these 2 gentlemen are having a better, more well reasoned, polite and calm sounding conversation than most of the politicians out there😂
Crime bosses may either hate or love one another but they will still respect each other. Politicians think they have all the power and clash trying to prove who can scream the loudest to obtain their goal.
because they agree and are not part of a rival faction? Gangsters kill their rivals which is not the case for your average democratically elected politician
@@ryanbadene9890 yes gangsters do....
but these arnt "gangsters" mah boy!
go look up how "ORGANISED CRIME" works!
@@ryanbadene9890 you have a small point, but rivals even have more civilised discussions than politics, because even rival factions have respect for one another. Unless you are a part of GenZ and Alpha. Where rules have to be bent because they have do not understand what territory is.
Yes because they grew up with strict rules that would literally get you killed if you didn’t follow them and those politicians didn’t grow up with any rules
When he’s said “having an affair with my sister…
You can’t survive that 🤷🏻♂️”
😂
the funny part is that it's not because he will kill the guy. His sister is Poison Ivy. Toxic kisses. You legit can't survive an affair with her
If anyone is wondering, bobby said 'mmmmmm' 168 times and 'hmmmmm' 95 times.
Edit: Thanks for all the likes. Alot of you are asking how many times he said yeh? Its 38 times
😂😂
I wish I hadn't read this before watching. Can't be unheard 😂
@@rappingcommuter3148 mmhmmm
Dude that was fucking killing me, I dont know how Michael didn’t say anything half way through the video
Imagine if without this count someone tried a drinking game on it🤣🤣
"I'm not a gangster, I have never been a gangster. I'm a businessman whose business was crime."
- Bobby Cummines
"Hmm, hmmm"
-Bobby Cummines
@@cloneboy28Hmmm hmmm
@@cloneboy28 Im getting a tattoo of this very quote
@@Balloonbotwannabe!
@@mrgainz7252 he's joking, he's talking about the 'hmm' Bobby can't stop doing for whatever reason
24:00 that part about the kids hit me the hardest. grown older men with a lived life admit that this is the most important thing for them. eating ice cream, seeing them running around. it's a treasure.
When Michael found out he was a couple months older than Bobby and playfully said respect your elders now that must've made Bobby feel young again
I really like how extremely respectful they are to eachother
Real recognize real.
"Mmh"
they saw what happens if they’re not
@@EstalarkiObviously not English or from the Commonwealth, here in Australia and in the UK that's not a sign of "Hurry the fuck up I'm not interested in what you're saying" - it's a way of acknowledging genuine interest in what another person is saying.
@@FinbarGallagher I know. I saw another comment on this video saying what it meant
Bobby whenever Michael is talking 'mmmmmm' 'hmmmmm' shit was jarring me 😂
Yes he did it or said it about 1,000 times during the interview
I’m trying to ignore it but god damnit Bobby shut up n let him talk 😂😂
Don't tell him unless your a mile away in a thick fog with a megaphone 😮
I guess it's habit.
These guys ain’t supposed to ever feel ‘out of their depth’ 😅😂
Man....I'd pay to be in a room listening to these men chat it up. This was so fascinating!
Same yhey should had Michael blanco with them
Truly truly appreciate your kind words you seem to be an intelligent person
I mean you can just watch it on RUclips 😂
@@dinodavis92 yt und being there in person is a different thing
Well, when possible, go and attend a conference by any of these two men.🙂
the amount of respect in this meeting is mind blowing ! i do not in any way say that the crime is okay but some things that the "underworld" teaches you is pure gold.
There is a reaccuring phrase about Hitler. "Not everything he did was bad." Same logic here.
Because the cost of disrespect in the criminal underworld is severe. So they were brought up to watch themselves and hold themselves to accountable in a way we normies take for granted.
Can you not learn respect elsewhere without the underworld? From your parents, grandparents, military etc.?
@@shehanigans you can, but you rarely ever get to learn that from strangers, so when we see two strangers showing immense respect to each other especially people from a crude hellhole of a place, its refreshing, fascinating and surprising.
@@shehanigans Parents and grandparents teach you respect out of pure vicariousness and selfishness, the whole "Do as I say, not as I do" and "Don't do this, because it is bad" or "Do this, because I say so, I'm your parent". Military teaches you respect at the cost of your constitutional rights and personal freedom to "protect others' freedom and rights". In the underworld, you are taught all the respect in a whole different light.
btw people, the hmm bobby does, in the uk its a sign of listening and understanding in some counties respect
What🤣 we don’t hum every 2 seconds
Its legit the dude trying to keep pace with the conversation and being self conscious
@@Calle2433 more something you'd see in the past generations.
Hahahahahahha
I do this shit and it means i’m pretending to listen but everything coming out from your mouth is going over my head
Men like this always makes me think about the saying " beware of an old men in a business where men die young"
Like asbestos removal?
@@THEJAM-EATERS😂😂😂😂
Can’t say I’ve heard of that saying
I haven't heard that saying before and it also doesn't work here because they retired way before they became old men
@@melker617 they are still Alive
Actually one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen on this app
I feel like Michael is full of shit to a degree. Look how terrified he is listening to a real thug speak 🤭.
He wasn't a heavy hitter just in for fraud.
You can almost feel the energy in that room. Like two apex predators sharing a shade tree and a breeze before going back to their own lives and families. The stories these two men can tell.
That's an excellent way of describing it
It's amazing how people like you are able to fellate these scumbags over the Internet ... WHILE typing! That's quite a trick!
I like how Michael invited himself to the guys wedding at the end. What an absolute boss 😂
😂
Bobby hmming is making my brain hurt 😂
Bobby Cummings is totally respected by every true villain he's the real thing whether he looks it or not
The Krays never ran London they were nowhere near that level
If you'd told him that back in the day it would have been more than your brain that hurt
I felt he was a little nervous or intimidated by Michael considering just how big Michael and La Cosa Nostra as a whole was. Michael: "You ran your neighborhood? That's nice. We ran the country"
@@pumpkinface8151 I’ve watched other interviews with him and he does it in them, it’s just the way he is I guess I think it’s just maybe being on camera that makes him a bit nervous
"On the outside I was an honest man - straight as an arrow. I had to come to prison to be a crook."
Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption
For anybody interested as to why Bobby ‘mm’s a lot, it is often done by older British gentlemen as a sign of focus and attention to what the other is saying. My grandpa used to do the exact same thing when talking about a serious matter. It shows Bobby is completely engaged with Michael and his story.
Here for Bobbys 'hmmm' count 😅
@@ShyChapter I couldn't watch it any longer. Annoying 🤦♂️
Did you $h@g my
Byrd? Hmmm.
If a hmm was a drinking game 🥴 5 mins in
It’s just the way some folks are. I didn’t mind it too much. I can see why you’d think that. My grandmother was that way.
It's called shutting the fuck up and listening not a bad rule too live by
Well, everybody that turned it off because of Bobby's "mmm" habit seriously missed out on a fantastic talk. I could listen to these gentlemen converse for hours!
Agreed
Agree!
I tried man, I really did and got half way through it but couldnt take it anymore haha
It's ridiculous people are even talking about it
Very much so
I grew up having a family of British folks living with me. They lived with us for 12 years so I've known them my whole life, and unknowingly I picked up the gent's habit of "silently affirmation" as a listener to the speaker, the small mmhmms, and hmms. Bobby doing that in the video brought back so much nostalgia.
everybody talkin about Bobby going “mmm” why is nobody talking about the fact that Michael is 72, i thought bro was like mid 50’s
@AntJay-ku6ic oh…myf i just see his stuff every now and then
Everytime bobby says "mmm" you take a drink 😂
U probably die before u even get half way through the video haha
2 days later, I have liver disease and can’t remember anything after reading this.
You’d be f*cking loaded after 10 seconds 😂
@@TheBajamin say sike right now!
Lol hard to watch now😂
When Michael talked about his friend having an affair with his sister: "you don't survive that", that's the first time he ever have details about himself being involved in a killing. This was a fantastic video all in all, so my thanks to whomever it was that thought to put these two in a room together.
He never really said he was involved but clearly alluded to what happened to the guy having the affair. We don't know the full extent of Michael's involvement.
he also basically admitted it on the pierce morgan interview
Franzese has nothing new to say ,he's full of it still a con man still making money off it .evil life not evil guys oh please
@@GFBSTPPI what did he say on piers morgan's show in regards to this topic? Its an hour long so i didnt get a chance to watch it yet
@GFBSTPPI Basically admitting it and actually admitting it are two different things. He knows how to talk.
what a fascinating and interesting conversation. so unreal to be able to watch these two men speak about their experiences, and the level of respect they have for each other is admirable.
The mad respect between these two is amazing.
Bobby: “mmh” - 2024
mmm
made a meme about it on my channel
"yep yep yep.....mmh mmh......yep yep"
It's like when Michael is talking, Bobby is playing ping pong in his head, left is "mmm" and right is "yea yea" 🏓
bless you for that comment bro. thanks
I love the respect guys like this have with each other, like they both did the same wrong things, but the high status remains - this time, as men with amazing stories and tales to tell.
The utter respect for one another really makes this video.
I don’t think Michael could understand 85% of what Bobby was saying
Why?
i think bobby was a bit drunk
thats just the way they talk@@pipeline8554
Never understood this. English is only my 3rd language and I understand every english accent
Hmmm hmmm hmmm
"I love wedding cakes" 😂😂😂😂😂
Bobby is a charismatic GOAT
he looks so much younger ! was shocked theyre both same age ! enjoyed watching this ,thankyou for sharing Ladbible
This was such a fantastic conversation amongst 2 gentleman, so much respect amongst the two of them 😊 what a life
No matter what both of them did in their lives: this is one of the most gentleman thing I've seen in my life. their aura is just phenomenal.
Yeah, thats kinda the thing with psychos and criminal leaders. They tend to be quite striking and charismatic people. Thats how they hold onto their following. You should be smart and not eat that stuff up.
They are more civil than politicians
"Respect your elders now" goddamn Mike
My same thoughts 😆 that seemed more than just saying a phrase
How the FUCK are these two the same age
This is excellent. Please make a series, will absolutley watch.
i always enjoy these twos videos, they're so engaging i love how they tell their stories
There is a tremendous amout of respect and presence with these two gentlemen looking in each others eyes.
I suggest you look up the meaning of “gentlemen” 😂
@@paulcolethey are
@@paulcole The "Chivalrous, Courteous, honorable man" definition, or the "polite or formal way of referring to a man" definition? They both seem like gentlemen to me, maybe not in the past, but things change, if you didn't know.
@@paulcoleyou can be a gentleman and still live a life of crime the life you life doesn’t always define the person you are
@@ItsFL1CKZz-onTikTokit sorta does putting bodies in hydrophobic acid to get away from the police doesnt make you look very good
The fact that Bobby literally says right at the start “I’ve never been a gangster” and they put it in the title anyway 🙄
He was one though despite his semantics
Indeed @@Dondrepad231
At 04:40 in the video "London Gangster Responds To RUclips Comments" on this channel, he actually addresses that. He actually has a bit of a chuckle about it.
Excelent amount of respect, presence and taste felt from here. Was quite pleasing to watch.
Never thought we would reach the point of watching this. Thank you for being open 👏
What a fantastic sit down. I've been waiting for this for ages. 2 old school gangsters from both sides of the pond who lived by the old code of honour and respect, none of that thuggery Can't wait to see Michael on his UK tour next month.
❤❤❤
They need bring Sammy the Bull to 🇬🇧 do interview v
Michael snitched
@@nslizzy He didn't send anyone down, that's the difference
Still a criminal 😮
Uncle Junior moved to London
I got that reference
This guy had the makings of a varsity athlete
Tune in next week they have a czechoslovakian interior decorator on
😂😂😂
Fk he looks just like Mr Magoo aka Junior Soprano
Having these 2 talk made me realize there was a time in the crime era when it was more civilized than todays time
What? So being a criminal is fine if they are civilised?
Loved it. Now put the Yakuza and Triad bosses in a room. I also want to see the Italian Mafia and London Underworld in a room too.
What a fantastic sit down. Mafia/Underworld. Both men have such interesting stories. Bring on seeing Michael on tour next month!
Yes I agree.
mmm
2 veterans of life from different parts of the world talking shop is always a pleasure to watch
Fascinating conversation. Cheers lads!
Amazing interview and very raw honesty. Incredible insights.
We need a re release with just the parts of Bobby reacting to Michael talking
And Michael's voice silenced so it's just the noises
It would be mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Watched numerous videos of these guys telling their story. Excellent listening individual.
Michael never had a clue the whole conversation what Bobby was saying..
Mike’s life story eclipses any uk version.
Unbelievable insight inside the real life and times of the original mafia. Never tire of listening.
Thanks for the definitions and bios of the people mentioned. Really helped
The fact they can be around each other as men and not gangsters is nuts. I bet this would be different 30 years ago. Crazy when you think about it. IMO
They would be in their 40's 30 years ago. So not much different id imagine lol. Jokes aside they're both slick criminals not reckless thugs. Would still be respectful like here i like to think.
I absolutely love that you both are the same age. Thank you for the experience.
The amount of respect both of them gave each other is just wonderful❤
This is amazing!
God bless LadBible for bringing in these kinds of people together. I had heard of Franzese independently because it's pretty famous on his own, then heard of Cummines from this channel, and having them both together in the same room is just a treat.
Love this episode by the way. Getting people together from both sides of the pond is the way forward, really interesting.
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉 Michael on this conversation with Bobby Cummings continued success on the series of sit downs with talking with interesting people ..
Loved the last part about how they walked away from it, respect
Love this channel! What a fascinating interview.. (apart from Bobby's excessive "hmmm"s which did me 'ead in! 😂🤦🏻♀️)
Unbelievable Michael's 72.. same age as Bobby! He looks great.. I saw him on Piers Morgan too the other day.. very charismatic guy.. 👍
I literally couldn’t focus on a word Michael was saying because if that damn “hmm” “hmm” “hmm” 😂
Regarding the shocking Age Difference: Has nothing to do with Genes but how much Stress, Bad Food, Diseases etc. you experienced in your Life.
I'm German and one of my Relatives was a convicted War Criminal of WW2 he spent most of WW2 in a 24/7 stressful Environment and after the War both in a Gulag for 10 Years and then also a few Years in a Western Allied Prison in Germany. He died at the age of 97 but while i grew up with him around he basically looked the same at Age 68 as my Paternal Grandfather (Also a WW2 Veteran but not a War Criminal nor ever a POW) when he was in his late 80s.
I often think about that stark Contrast and how it explains why a lot of WW2 Veterans especially (from any Country) somehow looked and acted like they're in their 90s while they were in their early 70s, while their Children who are now in their early 70s look about 20 Years younger than their Fathers did
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Don't forget he is a cosa nostra still, after you've taken the oath you dont get out of cosa nostra alive. He might be charismatic but he wont blink a eye if he got orders to shoot you, keep that in mind.
Amazing conversation!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I need a Part 2.
I was waiting for them to finally do a video together.
Michael and Junior Soprano finally having a sit down
I scrolled so far to find a junior soprano reference cause this guy looks almost exactly like him lmao.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 wooooo
Thanks for showing me who Bobby Cummines is. I just found his book, it'll arrive in a couple of days, I can't wait to read it 😁
Brilliant, thank you.❤🎉
Mike: "THE GABAGOOL"
Bobby: "MMM MMM MMM YEAH YEAH MMM"
I’m glad there are subtitles!
Eh to be honest and not being rude, I couldn’t understand half of what Mike said because that humming from Bob was quite distracting 😂
This is great. More of this. Subscribed
1 hell of a sit down
Bobby was such a successful crime lord because of his ABSOLUTE MASTERY of active listening.
This is so damn interesting. Loved the interview!
I respect these two. They lived a life of crime, but they made it out. This is fantastic.
I dont
I really like micheals attentiveness to micheal, in Japanese culture it’s very common for people to recognise when another person is talking by constantly affirming that your listening through mannerisms like this, I think it’s really beautiful
There are levels to this profession and one of these guys levels is extremely higher than the other
Honestly, love the quote "Prison is the university of crim," because it is absolutely right, with the way many prison treat prisoners (even ones with realise dates), you really wonder how people can say prison teaches people a lesson and puts them on the right path as it really doesn't. It makes their life health inside prison and out, many go right back into illegal activities even scaling up compared to what they previously did. Being in prison does not help people and never will be when society has been and as it is right now (if it doesn't change) it will continue to be the main problem. People's families, their local environment, their educational environment, it's what shapes people into who they become and who they associate it with.
So, if you've never been to prison, never came close or never thought about it, really thank the people and environment you grey up around and in, as they helped shape you onto a good path from the beginning as at the end of the day people make choices themselves, but you can't always blame people for making bad choices if you never consider how they felt and what choices they felt they had.
I went at 19, never been in trouble since, helped but only made you smarter not to go back, you still do grime
Bobby keep reminding me of Uncle Junior from the Sopranos
That's who I thought it was at first!
I want to be like those men, not their life but the attitude. Man, I’m always amazed by that kind of attitude.
I love the fact that right out of the gate, Bobby made it clear that he is not gangster and gangsters are a different breed of criminals from criminal organisations
Michael at 72 looks like he is 42... jeesh. That's crazy! 😂
6 minutes in & I'm bowing out, that murmuring from Bobby is enough to send you round the bend.
I only made it to 2:15 😂
A movie about either of these guys would be insane!
I love that when Michael is talking about cities the Mafia controlled, he also lists Florida. Tickled me.
Bobby was awarded an OBE from the Queen for his charity "Unlock" where he helped turn some of the the worst of the worst in UK crime back to being straight members of society. Yeah he had a wild past, but the man's a walking saint in my eyes.
Always wanted to see these two together.
I could sit around old guys who've lived, really lived, and just listen to them tell stories all day and night.
Interesting convo
Drinking game:
Take a sip every time you hear Bobby with his “mmmm”
Need a keg the way he's ummin away 😅
Thanks a lot, i just died of alcohol poisoning
@@Graham.moore.1 And it only took 2 minutes
im gonna re watch it now and do that ill update
Hospital pumping my stomach as I speak 😅
Insane.
So interesting.
Unbelievable video.
As a Brit. The ‘mmm’ ‘yeah’ and ‘hmm’ are just are way of acknowledging and just saying ‘I hear you and I understand’ 😂😂
Something that I always say that made me feel it needed to be said in the regrets section is "Life is the journey of failing to live up to the person you wanted to be"
While we all fail ourselves, I beg anyone reading this to question why you made the choice you are thinking of, remind yourself on why you should never make that choice again, and try to move on.
Good luck in life readers