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French left defeats far-right in huge election shock | LBC analysed
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- After France's election twist, James O'Brien speaks to Paris Bureau Chief for The Economist, Sophie Pedder.
A Left wing coalition has topped the French election, but they failed to win outright majority in a bruising night for Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen.
National Rally leader Le Pen had been slated to win a majority ahead of the vote but a late surge for the left and a return to popularity for President Emmanuel Macron saw the forecast results turned on their head.
Sophie Pedder tells James O'Brien that Emmanuel Macron 'has not emerged stronger' on the other side of his 'election gamble', as she analyses the results.
Sophie Pedder also draws attention to Emmanuel Macron's loss of 'about 100 deputies', which came as a shock to many.
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Goes to show what the Left is capable of, if only they postpone their infighting until AFTER the election 😅
Being a hard left type myself, this is completely true
@@thezeronelitesorry who won the popular vote?
@@thezeronelite is it the tradition of the left to fight among themselves?
Le Pen had a much stepper hill to climb. The lefts coalition won't last long.
Not just left but conservatives center right and fake right
French here. The analyst got one thing wrong : the left alliance mostly disagrees on the form(especially on foreign relations) but they got along on most issues in their manifesto : pensions, tax, anti racism, increase of minimum wages, ecological transition (except on nuclear energy), Gaza, Ukraine, etc. They’re actually the only political offer that had a wide and very complete manifesto.
Doesn't surprise me. The stupidest left wing politician is still usually smarter than the best the right wing have to offer.
To call working class people far right whilst the privallaged and disgruntled preach to the masses of morility is the reality of this sitituation
@@criticalThinkerLadmany of the left bloc voters were working class, the far right supporters were all wearing fancy suits and tuxedos and macron voters tend to be quite middle class
@@criticalThinkerLadnobody is calling the working class far right. We are calling the dummies far right. If you conflate the two things that speaks to your own classism.
@@criticalThinkerLad *privileged *morality *situation (you should critically think about cracking a book)
To resume the french system:
First round, you vote for the guy you like.
Second round, you kick out the guy you like the least
Yes, I like this. I summarise it that way: 2nd round is confirmation+correction.
Rigged.... Tony cuenca
Two rounds makes sense. It gives apathetic voters the chance to see what could happen if they don't exercise their right to vote.
LePenn's already crying it was stolen, it was rigged...Take your L with some dignity Lady.
Dignity isnt really her thing
Sounds like an orange man I know here in the states. 😅
It was rigged.. By popular vote she won.. But again duplicate democracy in play
Same as Trumpistas 😂
That's not accurate. She has said RN is now stronger yet again but that tactical voting stopped RN winning.
Can we all just celebrate that this shows the majority do not want the toxicity of people like Le Pen's and Farage's politics.
Or the French have been replaced
@kevinwilliams1421 looked more like residents from a 3rd world country than French people in vids I've seen😂😂
Not the right who are rioting mate
The Euro has taken a nice upward bounce since Francis election results.
You will become like the middle east, dangerous and divided
Cant believe a Centrist actually DID something and didnt just sit around validating actual facists. Well done France
When that happens here you can be sure James O'Brien will do a complete 180 and announce we should give Farage a chance.
@@jayr9952 what makes you say that?
@@jayr9952 Based on what?????
Actually, all Macron did during the last two years is to get closer and closer to the NR... He just used the Republican Front as a way to win more seats at the National Assembly. I expect absolutely no principles from this man, at this point...
The "actual fascists" were Frances only hope for survival. Now the country is doomed..
France 2 Nazi's 0
Thank goodness 🙏
Oh, grow up!
M0R0N
R34arded much, cI_Int?
@@user-is1if8vg5m m0r0n
Thank goodness the majority of the French still remember/recall what happened the last time the far-right came into power with their neighbour, Germany.
Yet Marine Le Pen's party (which is the one I guess you're calling "far right" although it's not) got more votes than any other.
Weird that!
You surrendered
@@Paragon62 I'm a Brit, so, no
There's nothing far right about wanting to protect culture and boards. Have you seen the violence from the left
NR got 3 million more votes than anyone else so it's not quite 'the French' but the tactical voting in accordance with the electoral system which worked.
high turnouts always swing left
Because the vast majority of people, at its most fundamental, will always choose freedom.
Out of the top five voter turnouts in the U.K three have been conservative and two Labour. In France the top five voter turnouts saw three right wing parties win, 1 left wing, and 1 centrist.
@@Light-lp8rn Thank you, interesting stats.
@@django3422 NR had 3 million more votes than anyone else, 'vast majority' should be substituted for electoral system.
@@kanglongshankz3313 But not more than everyone else combined.
Omg their system prevents vote splitting it's genius. Like ranked choice.
It's not perfect but it allows you to speak your mind first then make your final decision based on what is left.
@@jean-marcknight8816 Le Pen won a higher vote share second time.
Their system is still pretty bad. It's basically still FPTP and with a split vote in the 1st round the 2nd round doesn't narrow up hugely. Ranked choice voting or even doing a straight up top 2 finisher runoff would be better.
@@agt155And she was defeated by the people voting. Democracy prevailed.
On a fait la fête hier soir ! Crushing the faschos is the priority!!
Congratulations to you all in France. Take lessons America!
Mon frère 🤝
Well done from Ireland!
Great result!
What facism? The only facism came from the far-left when they threw a tantrum after the first round and decided to riot
The French LEFT didn't defeat anyone. The WHOLE of the French electorate (Le Front Républicain) defeated Fascism . 🇫🇷🇪🇺 (Our seat went extreme right in the first round 😮.)
Were you living in vichy France or close to the border
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Vichy France ended on 11th November 1942. Keep up child 🚸. I'm French and live in the Hérault (have done all year since February 1989).
France united as a whole to defeat the fascists.
@@simulationkoyo +1 thanks for agreeing with me. 👍
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 What exaclty do you know about Vichy France? Not very much based on your post.
The sun has risen on a freshly laundered Labour country. Ahh, the smell of freshly baked Thick sliced Competence, generously spread with integrity !
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thats a nice fantasy but in reality nothing changed
Shows how little ypu know about France or who these people are.
@@samasokubut unfair considering its been in for just 3 days so far. Or do you have a crystal ball?
@@gourkernow5694 he said freshly laundered. nothing is laundered. if anything, you only changed the washmachine settings. lol
When you unite, you can defeat evil. A lesson to be learned for sure
A lesson that I hope we Americans can learn from you!
@@ThomasS-jf9kf Trump 2024 👍
True. The Islamic conquest of the west is right on schedule.
@@friendlybgaming5882You’re subscribed to a pdf-file.
Maybe have a close look at just what sort of coalition has taken power and their policies before you comment!
Frustration with the French system is entirely out of place. It's quite close to rank choice voting and gave the best possible result because of (& thank goodness for) the agreements for the third place candidate to stand down. ...and imagine the disaster, otherwise. If you take a non-partisan view you would have to agree that the outcome preferred by most has transpired.
Yeah.
When the choice presented is "Far right" or "anything else", most French people are still choosing "anything else".
There is nothing undemocratic in the "republican alliance" that took place because the choice offered was clearly that.
The RN isn't a collateral victim of an alliance, they are the explicit losers of a clear choice presented to the voters.
(And they didn't really object to the anticipated elections before the final results so any criticism of that now is just hypocrisy)
There is only one outdated out of place system in western Europe, the British system.
@@philippenachtergal6077 If the RN wanted to win in the 2nd round, maybe they shouldn't hold political views that are so toxic to the majority of the French that they are unable to make political allies and even encourage their opponents to rally together to oppose them? Sounds like a skill issue to me!
I still can't see why this is such a shock.
The French have been down this tactical voting route many times before in Presidential and Assembly elections with voters "holding their nose" and casting votes to keep the Rassemblement National (formerly the Front National) out.
The worry has to be the growing support for the RN in the face of poor economic performance, concerns about immigration and unemployment levels.
The next problem is that La France Insoumise, led by Jean-Luc Mélenchon, is not very popular either and the centreright through to the centre-left won't work with LFI or RN.
IT'S NOT A SHOCK HERE IN FRANCE 🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵 Nobody takes any notice of the Premier tour 🙄 And nobody expected the deuxiem tour to reflect the result. It hasn't done so for 50 years. Typical british media, can't even get the translation of le Penn's party correct F.F.S.😂😂
Cry more!
@@ricaredi
Cry ??? Because WE SOCIALISTS WON ?? 🤔🤔 Whats to Cry about.
Thank you! I am surprised at how all the world media is saying " surprise result! ". As soon as there was talk about the left and centre coming together to manipulate the results, this was always going to happen.
@@davidgaskin5417 Where else has the left and centre ever come together?! The surprise is justified because it's such a rare event globally.
@@James_08_07 it's not that surprising for french politics. The centre wanted to keep power and the left sniffed a chance to claw back some ground that had been destroyed ( ironically by the centre government).
This just shows the lunacy of proportional representation in its current format. There is now a power vacuum in France which doesn't benefit anyone in the country.
Lots of left-wing candidates stood down in constituencies where they were in third place. Can't say the same for all of the Ensemble candidates who were in third place but at least the RN was not able to get an absolute majority. Strategic voting for the win. However, the RN should not be given the space to grow its movement, which means the NFP needs to fight harder and in united fashion for workers' rights and against the bigoty and hatred coming from the far-right. Sadly, between 2022 and now, nearly double the number of people voted for the RN and their reactionary talking points have made it into mainstream political discourse in France. It will take many years to undo this.
It's because the Right wing media keep lying about Thier reports. Think about it, no french Citizen worth their salt would ever put another Viche into power ever again, after what happen with the Nazis, during the 2nd world War.
economic prosperity is the key. far right politic thrives in economic uncertainty, seeking to place a blame on minorities.
What is the great danger about the NR? I really don't know enough about french politics but it does feel that they have been painted with this far right label but I can't see why.
All thanks to Macron and the centrists not actually offering a real alternative to the dogshit "solutions" the RN are proposing. And of course Macron and his allies are turning their noses up at the idea of working with the left, who might actually offer an alternative vision for France that would minimise Le Pen's support.
Just right wingers continuing their L streak 😂
52 years since its inception and going ! 😅
You clearly don’t understand how this all works.
But you will, as we watch the whole of France turn into Marseille and the UK into Luton or Bradford.
@@woofolliesmydog8628that will never happen mate.
@@woofolliesmydog8628 Awe, you all sad cause the fascists didn't win?😥
same as in Britain. Total incompetence and circus from the far right.
Allies 1
Axis 0
Allies 2
Axis 0
The left took back uk
Another one that has drank the kool-aide of the MSM propoganda
Shame we didn’t have a two round election system for Brexit…
Give it time, there will be a way....
“Second choice” is probably a faster way to do basically the same thing. “This is my ideal but if they don’t win, I am willing to compromise with my compatriots, so this alternative is closest to my values/needs” - I actually think that “second choice” is even more democratic because at times you have to compromise and go with your second best choice that other of your compatriots also potentially compromise on.
@@Youalleatmuffins Labour says no.The UK will never accept freedom of movement again.
Freedom of movement meant the poorest within UK`s society stayed poor.
Brexit only had 2 choices. The whole point of the double ballot is to try to narrow it down to 2 choices.
dude, move on its been 8 years.
Well done to the French Risistence .
The trend recently is just call it rigged and unfair if you lost because you couldn't possibly lose because no one wants your policies 😅
They have to claim it's rigged otherwise they would have to admit the majority of their online audience is made of Russian and Chinese bot accounts.
It was nice to see so many Tories not fall into that trap.
'No one' they had the largest share of the vote. You have the electoral system to thank.
"no one wants France to remain French."
Ok have fun.
Rural Pennsylvania here. Thank you James. Things are getting interesting. Shove Left.
Why aren’t they called the “far left”?
Because they're not. Just because these idts (yes I misspelled purposefully because of youtube) think everything is far-right doesn't mean the other side is far-left.
Because they're not communists. Anyone who believes in capitalism is not "far left"
The French system makes so much sense.
I am pretty sure that Sophie is very sad that the Tories were demolished... Yes, pretty sure!
I'm an Australian-French citizen and live in Marseille. You can add me to the 'relieved' list. My opinion is that Macron knew what he was doing. This was no mistake and the outcome is pretty much the best he could hope for (and probably predicted) given a political climate that is largely against him and his style of governing/narcissicism. His party performed second best when few seemed to imagine that was possible. Including moi.
Let me guess you're either a green or Labor voter 😂
There is no equivalent to the French Left in the UK .... Macrons alliance is more aligned with the UK Labour party
Congratulations on your upset victory,but retirement at 60??????????What does that do to the economy?
So much for that rise of the Right wing in Europe eh? haha
They have 150 seats. Also the Left has to lead for 3 years with no majority. They’ll be more unpopular in the end because they can’t govern.
Netherlands, Belgium and Germany all on the rise.
Right wing are the loud minority
Oh the far right is getting bigger, the FN have never had so many MPs.
Don't count your chickens till they've hatched
Real democxracy, avoiding things like leaving the EU and allowing a clown to gain power. Think on.
The BBC said this could well happen so i don't think its a shock. But everything needs to be hyped these days to give the media something to bang on about.
exactly that. I am French and I was convinced that the shy voters would sense the danger and would come out en masse to reject the far right. And I was proven right. not exactly a surprise...but relieved all the same.
Marie le Pen. :far right ?? > wrong description... " right of the middle " - as for extremism...I would quote the Far Left as extremists !
Looking at what they have done ..We will now see an ideologically fractured France.
3-way candidates in the second round is actually relatively rare.
It's not actually a shock, because the French system isn't FPTP meaning all the other parties allied against the RN in the second round (something known as the "Front républicain"). What is worrying is that the far right gets over a third of the vote share but fortunately in a direct face-off against any other candidate, 1/3 of the vote means you lose more often than not. The RN is at an all-time high but they are still some way off getting into power despite going from 88 to 140 something seats. No pasaran!
Very interesting outsiders like this lady view it as a shock because Auclair and other French predicted this a week or two ago.
Our _Republican Reflex_ ... nuttin' new 😊
Before an election you can find people who will predict every outcome. Drawing a line back to the ones who were right after the result says nothing. No one knows the future. La Penn herself was certain she'd take power and was shocked. Hindsight is 20/20
They're all going to retire at 55!
Goodbye France
O'B
Please, go and get yourself a Job & don't forget to call into the Shrink.
Any Chance of a Bar
The dumbest press loves"divided".😂😂
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This comparison of Melenchon with Corbyn is nonsense. Melenchon is closer to someone like Lenin. Corbyn for all his faults is a democrat; Melenchon is not.
I don't agree with her politics BUT let's not pretend the left and right didn't use in my opinion undemocratic means to make sure it didn't happen. That's why if Britain ever has Proportional representational voting it must be illegal to stand down candidates in areas to attempt to keep out a party. I called this out when Farage did the same to not split the vote with Boris Johnson. All you do is breed anger at the electoral system. Look at Britain today, 80% of eligible voters didn't vote for Labour and not a peep from my side of the political spectrum on the left. Yet if that was the Tories my side would be demanding reform to the voting system.
Labour members are mostly pro PR, none of the tory party are. So if you get it, it will be Labour that implement it after a referendum, most likely in a second term if they get one.
The French populace, after all their disagreements, realize that Russia, China and the other dictatorships in the world are not utopias.
but Isl*m is ? lol
What?
How do you come to that vacuous conclusion. ? just a loose grouping of anarchists, islamists and student agitators. Watch what they do.
Yes, the ne thing they have in common is the are Communist LEFT WING dictatorships, just like France
Who said they were?
most French outcome
Of course they aren't going to do much for a while. Les grandes vacances are France's leading national institution. Nothing gets done in August, as it should be.
French left ??? So not far left , left , left of center and center, green , red , conglomeration
France is only ever 3 colours.
That's what it takes to resist fascism
The only display of facism came from the far-left. They're the ones that rioted and threw a tantrum when they didn't get their way in the first round.
Incredible 😊
I would make a comment about unwise election timings and a disunited nation. However, "those who live in glass houses..."
If you don't care, don't go on air.
"days if not weeks" before a new government.
Gee, if that was Belgium it would be "months if not years"...
But yeah, they could setup a technocratic government relatively quickly.
I don't see a majority coalition government in a matter of weeks.
Copy of what I wrote on Phil's channel:
To have a majority government would requires Macron and his allies to ally with the left.
But I don't see the communist part of the left joining that and, more importantly in terms of seats, Melanchon has expressed his strong opposition to the idea.
A center-left government requires la france insoumise (Melanchon's party) to reach a majority so unless Melanchon changes his mind , which is unlikely, or his party splits (not just the NFP coalition but his actual party) which is also unlikely, it cannot be a majority government.
You could imagine a national union with the center, the conventional right and part of the left (without the communists and la France insoumise) but that also seems very hard to setup.
I also don't see any risk of the center joining the far-right given their position during the second turn of the elections.
So we seems headed for a technocratic minority government.
No matter what option, it will be hard to defeat the far right in the next elections because it will be hard for the country to make many political progresses in the current circumstances. Too much of the medias are in right wing border far right hands.
May I remind you that Northern Ireland holds the European Record far ahead of Belgium. 😏
Is North Korea an example of an undivided state?
Did they steal it?
The left and Center left have plenty in common. I don't think it's going to be as divided as everyone thinks
I'm centre-left and I don't want the left in power. Communism doesn't work (we need regulated capitalism) and the left want to leave the EU.
It's not just left and centre left. Waving communist flags is nothing less than far left
Why not the 'far left'?
I don't see any surprise in this. French elections are always decided in the second round!
What about the Judean People's Front?
@@sirloin8745 SPLITTERS!!
And in spite all the electoral chaos in both Britain and France - rank order preferential voting is still rejected by the political geniuses in both countries.
Don't you just love politics in Italy. 😉
@@MrPhantom1961 Rank order preferential is not proportional. It requires the winning candidate to be preferred by more than 50% of voters.
Not the right who are rioting it it !
Love you, France! 🇫🇷
France closes in August every year 😊.
It's a very divided Britain
The broad church left coalition that the analyst refers to here does have its disagreements (particularly over France's NATO membership, reform of European institutions, and the role of nuclear energy in the green transition) but it also has a powerful shared program (particularly around reversing Macron's recent welfare and retirement 'reforms', the implementation of green transition policies, moving France to a system of proportional representation, anti-racism etc). So, personally, I wouldn't get carried away on the differences for now.
Where are all the weird accounts with two names followed by a serial number?
Like mine?
Looked end of the day, the voting system is waaaaay better than in the UK. You get through the second round, and a majority has to be won in the run off. I don't understand why anybody thought the silent majority wouldn't back any opposition to the far-right.
Can I just say that is horrendously repressed Scottish accent - you're Scottish, let it go.
Its a deal not a victory.
Correct!
And what is wrong with that?
Farago: But but its a stitchup by the establishment , i hate democratic elections
Who's Farago?
@@MrPhantom1961 farage
Coming from the side that have more elections until they win and riot when they lose 💀💀
..or win, for that matter. Backwards bunch.😊
Take a drink evertime they say 'FaR RigHT'
What makes you disdainful of them defining what they define as far right? You don't agree with the definition?
@@mohammadhaider8946the far right and extremists hate being called to far right and extremists
@SenorPenor1337 the extremism came from the rioting far-left as per usual. Though I know leftists prefer to ignore this.
In Macron's presidential election he won on the second ballot despite not having a staggering support in the first. The centre right and the centre and the left came together to back a not stunningly popular choice against extremism and the second ballot got him elected.
The first and second ballots are always very different.
This was not a presidential election but his party stood and he is now even more unpopular so there were always going to be a certain number of people who gold their noses and vote le penn as she feigns respectability. The second ballot with less candidates is always very different when faced with a stark choice between le penn and anything else... She has her base supporters plus the remaining nose holders vs a widely disliked Macron's party.. more nose holding and an alternative centrist and left and far left coalition. It isn't all that suprising that centre left supporters felt ok to join the left where they disliked Macron and had to vote against le penn.
If Britain had done the same in the 'Brexit election' before this one then Britain would not have had Brexit without a second referendum and the chaos and incompetence and ecconomics of the last term of office. I don't think what happened in france was all that shocking if you're outide the too close to the problem media. It's more a relief than anything else.
Hopefully America elects the right King.
I see no far right, only a lot of far left...
The left prefers to ignore that part as the truth hurts their feelings.
If that is genuinely the case that's more of a self-indictment than an actual comment on reality. You're telling on yourself.
You need to get your eyes checked then.
@@AvisSapiens reality is clearly different for all, I see a lot of anger from the far left though, all the political violence in Europe comes from the far left, which says a lot regards the spectrum of what is currently perceived and coerced within the media and reality
@@SweetJeopardyyou people are hopeless (I use "people" loosely).
French far left you mean .
This is the best news ever, La Penn and her far right party lost 100 seats. She does not represent the majority thus was rejected. The French public voiced their opinion in votes.
What you mean lost 100 seats? They gained 60 seats and had the highest vote share.
@@agt155 show me. I need verification.
@@agt155 if they had the highest vote share they would not be in third place. The vote shows the La Penn party had a very small vote share.
@@Toto-cl8rw RN (Le Pen) 38%
NFP 25%
En 24%
They are lying to you.
@@agt155 actually it was NPF 32.6 % En 27.9
Europe's Right Wing Fever broke - next up, America.
That why the RN is gaining more and more seats?
Macrons wife is a lovely man 😃
The people have spoken!!! The futures so bright, the French needs to wear shades.
What drug have you been taking!!?
Loony far left against far right then
The most accurate comment I've seen here so far.
If all three works together to make their country better for the people then i would call that democracy
Far Right yawn
The term 'far-right' has no meaning anymore
@@danielgoring1328 Has the same meaning its always had.
Nice
Mélanchon is not an extremist and it is not a miracle that the left has won. Mélanchon has been around for a long time and has been campaigning with or without the other lefties. All lefties talk to one another despite the lack of understanding on some subjects. Being diverse does not mean being divided!
Watch what happens. He seems as bright as Mark Drakeford.
He wants to leave the EU. He is bad news.
Same here except the fascists amongst us in our U.K., hide away. Keep it covert
See what happens james when you centerists side with your socialist allies instead of engaging in footballification (which O'Brien constantly says he doesn't do) you could've helped keep Boris and Sunak out but you opted for footballification and partisan poltics. Something of which he accuses the left of quite a lot
Drink everytime they say far right. Should ask them what makes them "far right".. asking them to retire at 66 means you're far right in France..
Having roots in collaboration with actual nazis probably counts, which might be why you run cover with Quizling rot.
France- ISTAN😮
She says far right but never far left 😅😅😅
Because the ''conseil d'état'' has gave a ruling that said that LFI wasn't a far left party but only a left party.
It has also stated that the RN was a far right party.
Because this is a story about the far-right being beaten by a left-leaning and centrist COALITION.
If she was talking about a far-left party being beaten by a right-leaning and centrist coalition she would be referring to the far-left.
@ct5625 it included the French communist party, which is far-left.
@@danielgoring1328
Wrong the PCF (french communist party) is classify as a left party not a far-left party.
So RN = far-right
LFI= left
PCF= left
That's what said the ''conseil d'etat'' aka the highest administrative court in France.
That's the law. I dont care that you disagree with this ruling.
@@ct5625ah so full blown self proclaimed communists are not far left. Ok then. Maybe go touch a little grass?
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What a great news this morning - the pendulum is swinging back from the extreme right towards the center - see Britain and now France. Don´t forget Poland before too.
Until you find out what an extreme left government will do to you.
It isn't over until it is. A shallow temporary victory which will be rapidly eroded by events.
@@jimseltzer2002 yeah maybe but for now its a huge success
Yes...and I am sure that my friends and colleagues who went back to Poland played a role in defeating the anti-women's rights right!
Keep in mind RN won the most votes and gained the most seats.
Viva la France 🇫🇷, France rejected fascism again!!
It's Vive la France
Send far right to far far right 😂
Far Left extremists beat the right wing party you mean
Two down....Trump to go!!! Vive La France!
I'll bet these things are true: you don't know what a woman is, you're young, you never owned a house, you don't have a skilled job.
@@SonBarbock you’ve got no idea…. Have ya?
@@daveyboy7964 I have ya. And some extra paint also if you want to add it to your clown makeup.
I just think that France will always come through as a democratic country!
🤣🤣🤣
Well, I would not be so sure, but for now, we are ok.
Le Pen humiliation?
Fantastic
Who won the popular vote?
The right, by far.
No one. There will be a prolonged period of in-fighting now between the parties before they decide they can't work together and they have to go back to the electorate. Don't you just love PR.🤣🤣🤣
The left don't care about that now
RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT YOU PLANKS
I really need América to follow suit with France and Britain and never let Trump get into power again.
American was doing rather well under the Trump administration