How to "Subvert Expectations" Correctly (Last Jedi/Infinity War Analysis)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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Thanos banned yr old Roblox and fortnite account
Smash collab?
Can you do a video about Chicken Little?
What's the song used at 9:27?
I liked the movie.
"You should've gone for the head" and "All that for one drop of blood" will be quotes remembered for years
That “all that for a drop of blood” quote is even more genius, because remember what Whiplash told Tony in Iron Man 2
“If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in him”
@@SpairM that's what I thought instantly when be said that
@@jeesonkallukkaran8140 I do
@@jeesonkallukkaran8140 You don’t remember Iron Man 2.
@I Wetted Myself Uwu well darn you. Keep your opinions to yourself(doesn't even know what sarcasm is)
"Strange won't let Tony die"
Man that quote didn't age well...
Kaden Hensley that’s what “not ageing well” means.
@Kaden Hensley r/woooosh
@Kaden Hensley that's called not ageing well.
the world's most awesome variety channel Calm down.
@@TheAdvertisement no, he spoiled endgame for me
It’s also amazing that Infinity War was portrayed in Thanos’s point of view. It was his movie; his hero’s journey. In his mind, he’s the hero trying to save the universe while the Avengers are the villains trying to see to the universe’s ultimate destruction
How does this has no reply?
Dang I never thought of it that way
Damnnnn that’s deep
That’s very interesting,thank you.
That’s why I felt so emotionally invested and it even made me care and admire Gamora and Nebula far more. Because outside of explanation from the two guardian movies, we never really had a sort of sense of dread for these two until we learned and saw Thanos’s plans and motivations in Infinity War
"Rey's parents aren't special, they're nobody!"
*are you sure about that*
Yes, her parents are nobody’s it’s her grandparents that are powerful
@@zeusesparza1291 And the movie didnt even care to explore how palpatine got a woman pregnant and his fucking son grew up knowing who his father was and they trying to hide rey. no let us just put 30seconds of jumpcutted scenes into the movie to explain this shit
@Lucas Choi I wish Rey died and ben solo was the one to be the last Skywalker, it makes so much more sense.
@@JonnyBeetle i don't wanna see a palpatine sex scene tbh
Jonny Beetle Palpatine wasn’t even Rey’s grandfather. Her father was a non-evil clone, meaning that he is biologically her father.
"Strange won't let Tony die"
well, *NOT YET*
*"It was the only way"*
Thank you "ralsei with a gun"
@@marianitamr3751" You lack imagination. "
@@yxlop4893 ????
@@marianitamr3751 Haven't watched Dr. Strange?
12:45 "Can Ant-man help with that?"
He sure can
Kokodragostinov Dragostinov Thanos Anos
Haha true
Time travel
@@ZoobiethePopplio the theory in which Ant-man goes into the Thanos anus and expand.
No, but Regular Sized Man can
The Avengers subverted expectations in a way that added to the plot, The Last Jedi subverted expectations in a way that took away from it.
Or didn't dare to go for it. If Rey and kylo worked together it would be a GOOD plottwist that could make it an interisting development. The only reason this didn't happen was because it would f*** up the universe and would be to special...
Goddmnt Disney
I was thinking that awhile back. Rey just lost everything and was fighting back tears. Her turn to the Dark Side would have been so fascinating to me. For all the "subverting expectations" and making the story unpredictable for excitement, it seems Rian thought that her change would have been too much for some reason.
@@Wowreference either her turning dark or kylo joining the jedis wouldve been a better ending than what it was
@@gentleshark972 They will not let Rey fails and join the darkside because They want Rey to be sTrONg FeMAle ChaRAcTeR
When Loki says to Thanos "You will never be a god" and Thanos smiles as he kills Loki, a god, will always give mw chills
puny god
Mom: Don't worry, you're not gonna to disappear
Little Daughter:
Mom: **dissapears**
Mr Amarello oh god oh fuck
*OOF*
damn that's subversive
this is no place to die
Top10plottwists
You forgot the great "Subvert expectations" of all time:
Leia surviving a explosion and flying in space like superman
lol
That was the one thing in the movie that made me question the movie’s logic. Like “wha-? How tf does that work? Is she just now deus ex machina learning the force (that thing that teenage Luke was almost too old for and took at LEAST a couple weeks)? Did she know it the whole time? How?”
@@smileyface81mc77 Since I read Expanded Universe stuff back in the day I always assumed Leia had become a Jedi in the interim. It would be weird for Luke to NOT train his sister who jumps into dangerous situations with a higher frequency that Lois Freakin Lane to develop and use her natural Force Powers.
That said, Leia was spamming Force telepathy as far back as Empire so....
@@smileyface81mc77 the "one" thing? How about: "WWII Space Bombers"? Hyperspacing through enemy ships? (if that worked why was that never done before or why didn't they do that instead letting ships run out of fuel and die with no meaning?) Sub-Light Fuel Running Out? (that's never been a thing either) The Longest (most boring) space chase in history? (What happened to hyper drives and just bring in more ships on the other side of the Rebel? What happened to the hundreds of fighters?) Luke being a bitch the entire movie and 180 of his character arc? I could go on and on about that shit fest of a movie....
beyerch You should know, that I am *amazing* at suspending my disbelief.
SW7: Snoke is the new evil ultimate sith...
SW8: Snoke dies.
SW9: Cyborg Snoke VS Future Trunks
SW9: THE SHEEVSTER IS BACK BAYBEE!
Close instead Emperor is back to life
@@loreaver3882 I already made that exact comment but better, dummy
SW7: Highly experienced Elite First Order Stormtrooper who was hyped up before the films release gets defeated without a fight, sells out to her allies, and gets put in a trash compactor.
SW8: Master of the Dark Side (who had witnessed the fall of the Republic from the shadows, with Sidious not knowing anything about him until right before dying at Endor) who was hyped up before the films release dies without a fight, in a way that other characters such as Darth Maul survived.
SW9: The original master of the Dark Side (who, thanks to continuity errors, created the previous character, fought Yoda to a stalemate (and, if the novel is to be believed, would've inevitably won if Yoda kept on fighting) and had the power of all the Sith) who was hyped up before the films release accidentally kills himself without a fight.
Notice a pattern?
SW58: Jotaro vs Snokio
I can't get over how that mom in the theatres had to reassure her daughter that she wouldn't disappear. That is when you know Marvel does a good job.
But can you imagine?
The mom is just like: "Don't worry, you're not gonna disapp-" then she just vanishes.
It was heartbreaking because while in Justice League, the entire universe was blown up and destroyed, Infinity War slowly and steadily killed people and the entire universe
I had to reassure my nephew, who was about 11 at the time, that all the characters who died will be back in the next movie.
That would be so fucking traumatizing
You should have seen my dad! One second he was their, next second, Thanos snap
go watch The Leftovers
Infinity war: *subverts expectation wonderfully*
Endgame: BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE
@Pybro **cough** **cough** Black Widow
@Pybro True but it's still quite unexpected considering all the characters that could've died
AND IM NOT DONE YET
Endgame is trash and undid all the cool stuff IW had achieved
Neither subverted anything.
Both were pretty by the numbers.
the “Hello There” quote actually originally comes from A New Hope. The Revenge of the Sith version was meant to be a callback.
Lethal Edits
holy shit. you're right.
And that general grivious said hello there first
Chronologicly it‘s not and I remember saying it first in ROTS.
@@obi-wankenobi8393 so you don't remember trying to steal the hyperdrive in 2008 clone wars?
GamerJosh thats a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. I can’t remember everything.
12:00 i still love how Thanos reacts to that attack.
"Ah! Oh wait it's just butterflies..."
Oh mygod I didnt notice that thats lowkey hilarious.
You’ve watched the Cinema Wins video for Infinity War haven’t you? If not, cool I thought that too!
Levi Warner cinemawins is the only version I’ll watch anymore lol
@@pokaay3163 Allow me to introduce you to Th3Birdman.
@@real_abender honest trailers are cool too
Looking back, Schaff subverted our expectations by actually talking a lot more about Last Jedi than Infinity War
and adding a retarded political talking point right at the end!
Like a dumbass.
when i left the theater ugly sobbing, an adult near me was crying just as hard. THAT is how you make a heartbreaking ending. universal sadness.
first time I saw IW I was in such a state of shock, that I didn't know what to say to my friends for at least ten minutes. a week(?) later I went, this time alone, to watch it "emotionlessly", since I already knew what was going to happen... cried the entire effing movie.
When I saw IW on theater, I heard a child crying his eyes out during the credits. That was great.
Endgame broke me.
@@DrZuluGaming did you just say that you liked a kid crying
The family in front of us was sobbing during the Spiderman scene (you all know which one I'm talking about). I had not seen a single spiderman movie up to that point so I didnt feel the impact as much. But now that I have... dang that would have hit HARD.
"Don't worry, you're not going to disappear."
*JESUS CHRIST*
IHJTMQ that one gave me chills. Imagine being a little child again, easily frightened by movie villains, thinking their actions are real.
UNLESS OU DONT EAT YOUR GREENS
There were kids that cried in our theatre. It's true what he said. I knew/know what was/is going to happen, but I genuinely want to know how it's going to happen.
I'm a grown man and shed a tear at the spooderman scene.
@@makudonarudokairu HE WAS JUST A DAMN KID. ALL OF THE PAIN.
Can we all just agree Thanos is an amazing villain?
Yes, yes we can
Why not doulbe everything. 😭
Even with all the memes surrounding him, he is still one of the best movie villains of the decade.
One of the best
I agree
3:25
“Hey! I saved your life!”
“You didn’t save my life, you ruined my death!”
I don’t think I can ever describe this scene using my own words, I can only use this quote.
Yep,that's it in a nutshell.
C J, perfect way to describe and it’s a reference to the greatest animated movie ever so it’s even more perfect now
Is that a death korps of krieg quote?
@@ASuspiciouslyCommunistToaster It's a reference to The Incredibles.
ruclips.net/video/J4J-Fuo0vLE/видео.html at 0:25
@@ASuspiciouslyCommunistToasterit’s a quote from the incredibles
'This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause' is an amazing quote. There aren't any amazing quotes in TLJ.
TheTrekkieGamer129 it was meh.
@@sebastienmccarthy1483 ngl I'm kind of sick of people bashing the prequels, but I thought that quote was VERY suiting of the situation
Rybread103 That’s fine. I thought it was a bit on the nose. I don’t like the prequels all that much and I gave them a chance recently. Revenge of the Sith was definitely the best of the three. I feel like with a proper screenwriter, it could’ve been amazing. The execution just left a bad taste in my mouth
@@sebastienmccarthy1483 Oh trust me, I know the Prequels overall weren't as good as the OT, but still, they're not THAT bad tbh, also, there are certain elements that people called plot holes created by the prequels when in reality if you delve a little bit further, there's not that many plot holes at all
At least we have 'Hello there.'
Theres a very important lesson to be learned here, like when you subvert expectations to tell a good story you get a good movie. But when you subvert expectations for the sake of subverting expectations, you don't.
You kind of look like Thanos
I think Rian Johnson was simply lazy and didn't bother to educate himself on any backstore of the SW Universe and acted like it was all a blank slate. Didn't even try and coordinate with the previous movie.... Such a joke.
@NADS IQ Money != Quality
@NADS IQ Again, no.
*Hollywood* - The Last Jedi won 0 major awards.... (though it did win AARP's Best Film in the "Movies for Grownups" Category)
*Wall Street* - Wall Street cares more about profits than sales. They also care about trends which indicate where the *brand* will go in the future. The brand is more than just movies and a lot more money is typically gained in those channels. (e.g. merchandise)
Movie Sales
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In this case - The Force Awakens had a $2B in worldwide box office Revenue w/ a movie cost of ~$260M (excludes marketing, etc., etc.) Gross Profit = $1.74B / ~760% return.
The Last Jedi - $1.3B / ~$262M = $1.038B / ~400% return
While it still made money, there is a significant drop between the performance of the prior movie and this one. This is *NOT* something Wall Street would like.
Even worse is when you look at the numbers (so far) for Rise of Skywalker:
$724M worldwide & production cost of $275M ...
While it is still in theaters and could possibly catch up with TLJ, this is *not* something that Wall Street would like....
One very interesting data point, is the domestic (US) box office.
TFA - $936M
TLJ - $620M
TFA* -$361M
In fairness, the Original Trilogy also showed decline between the three movies, even though all are thought of as "good" movies; however, Wall Street wouldn't have approved of their performance either. (though the weakest original movie had a 14X profit)
Other (Merch)
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While harder to quantify with exact numbers, the Disney Annual Report does have "nuggets" speaking to SW Merch:
TFA - Strong sales
Rogue One - Less sales than TFA
TLJ - Significantly less than Rogue One
Again, not something Wall Street would be jumping up and down about.
@let us prey money gains do not equal quality. Just because a great movie was not well known does not mean it's bad
When Snoke dies he makes a face that makes him look like he finally took his first dump after 10 million years
He looks like tha dump doe 😳
This genuinely made me laugh 🤣
He do be making a dump doe😳
Well, when people die, their bowels tend to... well...yeah.
when you ate nothing but cheese for years and have to crap for the first time in a century
"What planet are you on?" is actually a logical question to ask in Star Wars. "Hey Mom, can you come pick me up?" "Sure, what planet are you on?"
"I'm on, you know that desert one", "Which desert one?"
Victor Shockley the one with sand
Double A Remember, the one that’s hot?
@@spark1400 Anakin: *Screams with utmost terror*
@@yiayfanaphmaufanpopularmmo5035 Can you at least tell me what part of the Galaxy you’re in?
Also for some reason even though the last Jedi and infinity war have the same runtime, I felt as if the last Jedi was twice as long
It seems longer because all that thing with Finn and Rose leaving the group was totally unnecessary for the plot .. and it lasted so long. In Infinity war every single group that separates has the real reason to do so.. even if they fail.
Bullshit slows down time. And the Last Jedi is overflowing.
@Zev Benjamin I'm pretty sure that law is not the case here. If it would be, time would flow backwards as you watch TLJ.
I feel it's because Infinity War had incredible pacing and each scene was good. It rarely has downtime. On my first viewing of Infinity War, I never felt bored with the scenes; it just kept delivering more and more. Honestly, when it ended it felt like very little time had passed, even when watching through the credits.
I realised TLJ was a failure when it made me do something no other star wars film has ever done. Check my watch to see how long was left.
And now we have Endgame leaving every person, who possesses just ounce of humanity, as an emotional wreck.
Tobito TV I was crying afterwards, I was crying with happiness during the final battle
Eh. While Endgame was very good, I definitely think Infinity War is the better movie.
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@@jeffmorris5802 The battle for Wakanda was meh, but the ending and the battle where thanos trew a moon were amazing.
They're both great movies, a good ending of a great series.
I think Endgame was fantastic as a story -- I mean what a way to end what was essentially the first 'phase' of the MCU, and the callbacks to previous movies were fantastic -- but as a movie, Infinity War was better. Endgame basically ignored a lot of character development (mostly Steve's) and there were some rather problematic aspects, like the pandering Girl Power scene or Thor's depression being used as a joke. Plus, plot holes. They seriously had no clue how their time travel worked. Endgame could have been a lot better than it was in terms of the way it dealt with its characters, but it was still really good. Both of them had incredible fight scenes though, I literally got chills.
So yea, this was basically a long-winded way of saying I pretty much agree with you. Sorry for the long paragraph, Marvel is probably my favourite franchise and I have a lot of feelings about it :P
Once infinity war came out, Last Jedi didn't feel too good.
Once the Last Jedi came out it didn't feel so good.
they were both shit
some guy No
Either way, Disney wins
Thanos was a villain where I actually was a bit sad when he died.
Because he's interesting and has a great backstory.
thought I was the only one... he deserved to win just as muchu as the Avengers & co did, making both Endgame and IW soooo fucking good.
I was actually kinda hapyy seeign him not fade awawy, but then it happened.... I also loved the way he wasn't screaming around or so when he lost, he accepted his fait and watched with sadness, sitting down, knowing he'll dust away and that was it....
It's so well done, I can't belive it
I agree to an extent, except that I felt he got watered down by the end.
I felt sad when Thanos died at the beginning of Endgame, but when he died again at the end, I didn’t feel bad, because he had become a much more generic “I will destroy the world and reshape it in my image” sort of villain.
@@mr.cup6yearsago211 My feelings exactly.
Mr. Cup I don’t know, that expression that Thanos gave when his ship was destroyed at the end made me feel some sympathy
Thanos: **is crying**
This dude: **plays 'Take On Me' in the background**
I'm glad someone else picked this up, I had to rewatch a few times to make sure I didn't have Deadpool 2 playing somewhere
Yeah I noticed that, so odd.
Yep
Last Jedi plot twist
Snoke: You should’ve gone for the head
i love this
Snoke's death was just stupid he's made out to be all powerful and he can't see that stupid trick coming?
Wouldn't be the first time someone survived being cut in half. He didn't even fall into a bottomless chasm.
TheMrStoo oh my gosh, you’re right! The Solo movie showed that Maul survived and he’s (presumably) not as strong with the Force as Snoke is! That could mean the Snoke could actually make a comeback!
@@rmcgowa1987 He could be an Emporer's voice...but will Disney/Lucasfilm go that route...starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Voice_(Sith_Empire).
child-gamorra: did you do it?
thanos: yes
child-gamorra: what did it cost?
thanos: everything
pretty much sums up why thanos is a good villain, he is aware of what his victory has cost him but still felt that he had to do it
Personally I think this moment should be scripted just a bit differently to add more weight to it. Should have been...
Child-Gamorra: Did you do it?
Thanos: Yes
Child-Gamorra: Was it worth it?
Thanos: (Thanos is unable to look her in the eyes as sadness furrows his brow)
(Sunset scene: Thanos has to collect himself emotionally, for a moment, before smiling in his contentment.)
I also think they should have had another flashback scene of Gamorra interacting with Thanos as a child and actually having a real father daughter moment. A moment where she actually called him 'dad' for once. This coupled with the scene where he throws her off: If as she was falling she screamed the name "Dad" then showing how much it wounds Thanos in that moment to be really reminded that she was truly his daughter, even in her mind.
Thanos is, in my opinion, one of the most compelling villians Ive ever watched in a movie. I just loved his character and writing so much. Most movies are about their hero. Infinity War was all about it's villian
doesn't kylo ren also aware what his victory costs which is why he kill snoke
@@nnn4376
Definitely. The fact that so many heroes were involved in Infinity War somewhat adds to that, too, as there isn't really a "central hero" or hero protagonist. If anything, one could say that Thanos was the main character, in a way.
Kill monger is similar, his motivations are totally understandable, and cause you to question the goodness of Wakanda. Marvel has been doing well with villains
Didn't even mention how Thor was set up on his hero's journey that would end with him defeating the villain. While Thanos was seemingly on his villain's mission, but it was ultimately HIS hero's journey. He was the main character. It was his story. And that's why him winning in the end was subversive. I went in thinking "okay, it's a two parter, Thanos will get like 3-4 stones and we'll see the Avengers take a final stand in part 2 to keep him from getting them all"
My fucking face when he had 4 like halfway through the movie. He really did it. Civil war is the reason why, because the avengers were torn apart, but I liked what you said about how they were unwilling to make the sacrifices as well. But I think that makes it more subversive because the ending of Civil War made it seem like "yea we fought but we'll be pals soon"
And then it really took until an hour or so into Endgame for them to be on a friendly level with each other again (Cap and Tony that is). Crazy stuff. Excellent story telling.
If Disney let all the people working at marvel do a Star Wars movie it’d be easily the one of the best in the saga.
We want Rian's Trilogy
@João Piza Rian Johnson
it probaly would be good but Marvel has a format that only really works well with superheroes and Marvel. Don't get me wrong im a huge fan of Marvel but they arent the people to do Star Wars movies. BUT if a Marvel director and Star Wars director work together it could work very well i mean everyones seen Mando right! That was made by the director of The Clone Wars and the director of Iron Man
@@judasbooth5455 the guy who made the last Jedi?
@@judasbooth5455 no one wants that exept you
I let out an “oh come on” when Finn was saved by Rose
PRETZEL DAY I think I did too
And now people are trying to cut in line
I think you mean he was "foiled" by Rose. :D
@@shorewall Foiled? Why the hell do people want Finn to die so bad?
On top of this, it would have physically been impossible for Rose to catch up with Finn. Even she could catch up, it would have been even impossible for her to slam into Finn at the 90 degree angle that it was.
It's sad that we consider a humanized main villain to be subversive in this day and age. It should be the norm. No one in the universe thinks they are evil. Everyone who does evil things thinks they are doing the right thing at the time. Weather they are wrong or not is where the conflict should lie.
The level of humanisation of an antagonist depends on what kind of story you're telling.
I disagree. An antagonist you can relate to makes the antagonist grounded and realistic, and will always result in a better story.
Well I’d argue that’s not always true. Some killers know what they did was wrong but did it despite that because it served their own interests and desires. I’m not saying most villains shouldn’t have more depth but some people are simply bad people.
+Eric Adkins Sorry for jumping in on this discussion but I'm kind of curious what you would classify as "insane". I mean, do you mean full-blown psychosis or just anything that deviates from "normal human behaviour" down to things like compulsive lying? For example, forget murder for the moment. Crimes like rape or torture - in other words, crimes that are committed for no reason and serve no benefit to anyone except for the pain of the victim and brief power for the perpetrator - would you say people have to be insane to commit these sorts of crimes or do you think they see some benefit in it beyond just inflicting pain on someone else?
For my money, I've long held the belief that the "villain with explainable motives" IS the norm to the point where it's actually starting to become a shackle rather than a tool. Nowadays, it seems every villain has to seem sympathetic to a degree, every villain has to have a sad backstory or a backstory which shows he has reasons to "blame" the heroes, or deep-rooted family issues or something to "explain away the bad". I have nothing against complex villains at all, but I don't think the "people are never just evil" mindset is strictly true. Whether we like it or not, there are people out there who revel in causing pain for its own sake and the truth is you don't even have to look very far to find them. One of the examples I often give in these discussions is Iago in Othello who offers no less than five separate motivations to the audience for his actions, each more nonsensical than the last and straight-up refuses to provide a definitive answer when confronted at the end of the play. He is the definition of a "motiveless" villain and is often hailed as one of the greatest villains in western literature as well as one of the most interesting, in no small part because of the mystery of exactly why he did what he did. Villains with explicable (and occasionally understandable) motives have their place, yes, just as tragic villains, fallen heroes, and straight-up Freudian messes do, but above anything else the type of villain needs to work with the scope of the story being told. A personal conflict between hero and villain needs a personal connection, whereas I'd be perfectly fine not knowing exactly why someone wants to destroy 50% of all life in the universe because at that point, on that scale, it becomes unnecessary. One can easily come up with hundreds of motivations on one's own if they want to but it's not a question that desperately needs a solid answer.
Whoa, that got long. Sorry about that...
Overly Dramatic Panda
I would say that these people who enjoy causing harm for harm's sake are insane. Sadists are often irrational, and many suffer from psychosis or schizophrenia. I'm not saying excuse them. And I'm pretty sure they have rational reasons for doing what they do. They aren't bad in thier eyes. That's the only argument I'm making. That villains should never see themselves as the bad guy, and should have clear goals and motivations, to keep it realistic and relatable. That results in a better story 100% of the time. Iago was written by a master storyteller, and he could write lazily and still shit gold. If Iago had clear motivations and was relatable, I'm sure the story would be better. But he didn't have to for the Bard to make him a good character.
I see where you're coming from, but weather they see it as a "necessary evil, actually think they're helping someone, or are just insane, people never see themselves as the bad guy.
The hyper space ramming thing doesn't make sense in the star wars universe. Because hyperspace isn't just going really fast. It basically a worm hole to go to another side of the universe. And if it was so effective in killing things why didn't people fight like this before? It just makes no sense.
While yes, there's a lot of lore about having to avoid objects when going into hyperspace, like stars or you'd get burned up, and interdictor ships can use gravitational fields to pull ships out of hyperspace due to safety mechanisms built into them. Would it have worked? Arguable at best. But it's at least plausible, that plus ships ships shields are only shown to work on objects traveling slower than lightspeed in tfa.
@@mychajlomiller3688 not really I countered most of that in my first comment. Like if it would've worked why don't we see anyone do it before?
@@PickleBeanBoss well I'm not saying it would have, but they did play it off as a desperate last move that probably wouldn't work. 1/1000000 I think is what was said in the movie. Those ain't great odds, and you could probably destroy the ship even if it didn't work, that'd be my argument for why it's not used before, and honestly, I'd guess it only worked because of the sheer size of snokes ship and also the fact that Holdos wasn't a small ship either. I think that they just got lucky.
@@mychajlomiller3688 yeah but lucky isn't the same as impossible. She wouldn't have been able to go through. I don't think it would be plausible in that universe
That 1/1.000.000 chance was a retcon
Infinity War was great. You know why? Because when Tony was stabbed, the whole theater gasped. When Gamora died, the whole theater fell silent. When Peter (spidey) cried, so did the theater. When Thanos snapped, another collective gasp. We all knew it was coming, but it still caught us by surprise. A great movie resonates with its audience. When I saw The Last Jedi, the only scene that made any impact was the lightspeed scene and it only caused everyone to be silent. Not much of a reaction.
But, imso, the impact of Infinity War is kinda being hampered, a lot, because of the damn sequels MCU will be putting out in the next few years.
@@kingartemiz2xxx786 I have to agree with you there. It kinda takes away from the sadness of the deaths.
The only downside of Infinity War is the final battle. It didn't need to be that long as we all knew Thanos would rewind time. Makes that battle feel bloated and over the top useless.
However the rest of the movie is pretty good. Gamora's death made me want to cry...that was the most brutal death in the entire film.
The lightspeed scene ruined Star Wars though, why not fly a ship into the death star 🤠
@@mish375 Gamora's death was so surprising to me and I honestly don't really know why, because I halfway expected it? In a way? I don't know how to explain it, but it was so heart-wrenching!
The thing that subverted my expectations was the fact that Star Lord was willing to kill Gamora there has been so many movies where one love interest swears to kill the other but then doesn’t because ThEy LoVe ThEm ToO MuCh even if it’s the best thing for the the most people.
You're right, Quill pulling the trigger shocked me a ton
He took like a minute... if thanos was serious he’d kill him 10 seconds after not doing it
@@fishfish2128 Thanos doesn't bother killing individuals because he's not evil. Unless someone is hindering him from accomplishing his goal he'll deal with them (see: Gamora), otherwise it means nothing.,
@@Bantimus thank you
Fishfish212 on the contrary, Thanos gave him respect for that! Thanos was prepared to make sure Gamora doesn’t die but he wanted to show her that she can’t trust anyone, a weakling who promised her something, but then Quill pulled the trigger and he kept his promise, whatever the cost!
Infinity Wars was perfection. Endgame just made me cry for 10 minutes and almost cut off the circulation of my friend’s arm.
Why?
@@AlanJia8 Tony died
@@AlanJia8 he loved her 3000
@@plutossky7534 But why the circulation part?
@@AlanJia8 Tony died
“and Strange won’t let Tony die”
Another great subverted expectation
Isn’t it funny how they’re both led by Disney and they’re this different in quality
The studios under the Disney umbrella work independently. Pixar and Marvel are definitely superior to Lucasfilm, and none of them have anything to do with the other.
It’s down to the Russo boys
Isn't it funny how you've been tricked over years into thinking that one of the largest organizations in USA can and does have a single consistent identity?
Otoskire actually it had more to do with Kevin Feige than anything else. He's been overlooking the Marvel films since way before the MCU started.
Passion over pay check.
Kirby: did you make a new story mode
Sakurai: yes
Kirby: what did it cost
Sakurai: everyone
Golden Magikarp5 I saw that on Another video
"Rey's Parents aren't special, they're nobody."
Man, they really retconned that hard in Rise of Skywalker
Poor Snoke. Only half the character he could've been.
He was perfectly balanced, gotta admit
I wish they didn't cut his story so short. It feels half done.
Michael J. Caboose See what you did there!
You know they're gonna' bring the other half back in the next one.
Him and Maul should do a duet cover of the Nirvana song :)
If Rian Johnson really wanted to subvert expectations, all he had to do was have Rey and Kylo team up after killing Snoke. Rey had no attachments to the Resistance other than just being a light side character. End the movie with Leia then using the map from the first movie to meet up with Luke Skywalker herself to tell him that he is now their only hope, but instead he gives her his lightsaber to say, "No. We are." Commence credits.
Chills.
Bro that is so dope.
i wanted that SO BADLY to happen. I actually WANTED Rey to go dark, she's already shown a lot of anger issues
This would be much better than what we got.
The themes of Rey turning to the dark side is suggested because she is untrained in the ways of the force. There is no reason she should understand how to resist it. Being wronged her entire life should be enough fuel for her to go on a power trip when given the opportunity. Instead, we got what we got just because she has to be a likable character or something?
Episode VII suggested that Kylo is pulled toward the light side and is not completely fallen. He should be redeemed in Episode IX and Rey being unredeemable in the eventual conclusion. There is so much you can do with it.
My guess is that Colin Trevorrow wanted something like this set up for Episode IX, but he was dealt such a bad hand for the last movie that he wanted no part of it.
I think if Infinity War had the production value and CGI but came out before the age of the internet, the ending would’ve been a lot more powerful. People wouldn’t know for a fact that there would be a sequel or more movies for characters that are dead, they would genuinely believe that the ending would lead to permanent deaths for half the cast.
Oh most certainly. Someone on the production crew for the sequel would probably leak that they're making one but unless it was outright confirmed a lot of people would probably think it was a rumor. Damn, now I kind of wish I was sheltered from knowing a sequel was ever being made.
Exactly because how are you supposed to do spiderman far from home without spiderman or gotg 3 with only rocket
Yeah, nowadays nothing is a secret :/
Loki for Life
I suppose technically those movies could take place before Infinity War, like Ant Man and the Wasp & Captain Marvel.
The best comparison I can draw to that is when Spock died in the Wrath of Khan. They bring him back in the next movie but at the time that must've been the biggest shock imaginable.
So all in all:
Disney makes amazing movies, but Disney movies suck
well yes, but actually yes
Well no, but actually no
Well yes, but actually no
well no, but actually yes
Yes'nt
Congratulations. This was the first video critiquing the Last Jedi that didn’t make my eyes roll out of my skull. You were fair, even-handed, had actual complaints related to character arcs, focused on its progressivism actually being half-baked and failing to meet its own standards, and competently showcased how its tone affected its narrative impact, and I can respect all of that. This is the first time I feel like I’ve watched an intelligent critic explain why they disliked the movie. Subscribed.
Nicholas Rodinos Actually, that’s not what a Mary Sue is, only a symptom of it. A Mary Sue has no real flaws and is pretty much a like playing an RPG on easy with a cheat code maxing out all the stats. And unfortunately that describes Rey pretty well. She doesn’t have to train or learn anything to gain new skills. She just knows (or downloads, if you want to go with the most popular explanation for her knowing everything) everything already, contradicting everything that came before her. Despite being the protagonist she is a completely flat character. In short, she is kinda boring. Combine that with making a mockery of the only non-villain to have any character growth from the previous film and maybe you’ll start to understand why The Last Jedi just isn’t a very good movie.
I've seen plenty of great critiques of TLJ, though I can imagine their hard to watch for someone who enjoyed the film since most people won't stop shitting on it, but there's certainly a surplus of great videos pointing out what made TLJ such a flawed film
You could check out MauLer's critique of The Last Jedi.
UltimateKyuubiFox to be honest. You don't have to be intelligent to know this movie is bad.
You guys sure do put a lot into arguing about star wars.
"I don't feel so good" actually got me to tear up, even though memes had already confirmed this occurring. Movies don't make me tear up often.
Yep....
I agree, I legit shed a tear in the theatre. I was able to avoid spoilers pretty well this time around but wow that scene just messed me up lol
See the thing is I didn’t expect the memes to be every single death, and I didn’t realize they were turning into dust so I assumed the memes were just about one specific death? So the whole movie I was waiting for someone to “triangle away” and when they started turning to dust it hit me
Not even titanic
That wasn't scripted. Holland was supposed to stop after "I don't feel so good" but he kept on going.
I cant believe the last jedi stole the light speed through a ship thing from subspace emissary
It also ruins any future space battles
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
Nice Brawl reference
Nop. They stole it from the Green Lantern animated series.
Yet another scene that was lazily written.
“Can Antman help with that?”
Boy if only he knew
"Can Ant-Man help with that?"
He sure can, buddy.
"Can Captain Marvel help with that?"
She sure can't, buddy.
lol
pretty bullshit how she was built up to be a big part in endgame and she was barely a part of it lol
She ex-machinas a ship from killing everyone then gets punched out of the movie
I think she was a rather important part of Endgame. Without her and Thanos fight Tony would have never thought about taking out the infinity stones.
I think people are too mean to Captain Marvel and I don't see why she gets all the hate.
Yeet the beat out you apparently have no idea what deus ex machina means.
Infinity War being the Empire of this generation is a brilliant way of putting it that I wish I thought of myself.
Wasn't Empire hated at first
Don't see a reason to disagree.
Newborn delivery No, Rian Johnson just said that b/c everyone kept giving TLJ shit. People were seeing the movie over and over again and RotJ even did better at the box office than empire, because everyone was so hyped after it
@@ShamrockShows oh ok. Thanks
@@NewStorkProductions Nah it just sold slightly less. My dad saw Episode 4 and thought that was it of the star wars series. He didnt even know there was an ESB until ROTJ came out. Marketing back then is different now. It was critically acclaimed back then. Believe it got an Oscar as well.
Guys are you realizing that:
Infinity War was good
The last Jedi was bad
Take these two together and you get, a perfectly balanced movie.
Obi-Wan Kenobi why am i the only reply here
lol
Thanos (The New Sith Lord) - Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
But both of them lack the appropriate levels of High Ground so they would still suck
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I actually think that Padme "thunderous applause" line is dope af
It actually is. Since she's the only person in the Senate that seems to realize that they just sold all of their freedoms for a sense of security. Even though that security is coming from Space Voldemort. The only problem is that she should've realized this years ago.
I would prefer to call Voldemort "Wand-touting Vader", but hey.
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There actually was a cut scene in ROTS where Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, and some other senators were talking about Palpatine’s increasing power and how it was concerning to them.
And in the Clone Wars series, a few episodes were focused on trying to stop the emergency creation of more Clones, as they feared the purpose was sinister.
It's a good line, but it's delivered poorly. For a sarcastic line, you'd expect her to make more of an effort in pronouncing the "thunderous applause" bit of her line. It's more telling of George Lucas being a poor director with regards to dialogue than of Natalie Portman's acting skills though.
Infinity war: most emotional movie in the mcu
Endgame: hold my poptart
cheeseburger*
Peanut butter jelly sandwich***
shawarma*
I would say beer but I think Thor took it*
I think infinity war remains the most emotional.
But Endgame was still amazing and leaving that poptart was worth it.
“Don’t worry, you’re not going to disappear”
*Jesus Christ*
ArtandJunk got to admit that was pretty dark in a way
I mean, imagine going to cinema, with all the movies behind this where heroes always win and they outright fail.
To be fair kids are pretty fucking stupid. They'll believe most shit you tell them if they're naive enough and you tell them with a straight enough face. Honestly don't feel like bringing that fact up does anything for his point other than showing how dumb kids can be
juan241996 there was once a time you were the same way.
When I went to go see Infinity War, it was about a week after its release (I generally do this just in case a movie turns out to be a complete dumpster fire and I don’t waste money). Immediately, when the movie was being memed to death, I knew I didn’t even need to see a review to know it was going to be good. I invited my girlfriend to see the movie, at first she declined as she didn’t like neither Star Wars nor any super hero movie, but after some explaining, she agreed to see it. She has never seen any marvel movie or knows about any of the characters, but she squeezed my arm throughout the majority of the really tense moments, and after watching it, she wanted to see the rest of the marvel movies and the next avengers movie. If I took her to see the last Jedi, she wouldn’t be interested in even seeing any other Star Wars movie. If a movie franchise can’t do this, then there is a major problem.
That's great! I hope she enjoys them all.
CactusSD show her OG Starwars
seeing Infinity War before seeing any other Marvel movie. YIKES
Did anyone else notice an orchestral version of Take On Me was playing?
What time take, because the instrumental during the video is 'Interlude' by Blur
THE DRUNKEN AMBASSADOR 8:29 is when you first start to notice it
@@trampotrix0573 ya thanks I noticed that as I continued to watch. I was referring to the music that plays for the majority of the vid 😊
TrampoTrix 05 YES
And a pretty cool "For the Damaged Coda" as well
Mother- Don’t worry we’re not going to disappear
Daughter- Mommy
Mother- Yes, sweetie?
Daughter- I don’t feel so good...
Mom- I'm sorry, kid... It was the only way... *disappears*
Other Moviegoers- What's going on
Random Moviegoer- I think we just lost
Alien Overlord- Don't worry little one that won't happen to us
Alien Overlord's Daughter- But I'm not feeling so good...
Stop you're making me sad wtf
_oh, _*_noooo_*
MY HEART
XD
The light speed scene in the last jedi was incredible illogical according to the other 2 trilogies. Light speed is going through a worm hole that means when you come out of it, it would've been the same as going lightspeed. Thus is also why whenever you see a ship come out of light speed, it immediately stops or is going much slower because they're not breaking to slow down, they're coming out of a different dimension. Pretty much the light speed scene in the last jedi is complete trash.
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these are the cringy memes that make me understand why thanos wanted half the population dead
“This movie is everything that The Last Jedi didn’t have the balls to be.” Perfectly stated as all things should be.
How? Infinity War wasn't THAT brave.
Define "brave"
@@massineben7198 We pretty much knew the heroes would fail and Thanos would win and the next film would deal how to reverse things.
Best part is that he also doesn’t dislike all of them. He respects Starlord for going through with the promise and praises Tony for his honored fight.
“And don’t use the light speed ram that cheating.”
That’s accurate.
It is accurate unless you want to watch the original trilogy and question every action they take in space battles. Eg: the death star battle. Just fly a single cruiser into it at light speed if this is how light speed works now.
Phantom The Rat *hyperspace
Phantom The Rat Hyperspace is a lot faster than light speed.
Converge then my point is given even more backing. That scene makes every space battle in Star Wars seem pointless because they could all just last a few minutes with everyone crashing ships into each other.
Phantom The Rat Ik, I agree with you wholeheartedly but I wanted an “um, actually...” moment.
*How to Subvert Expectations:* Have Luke save Kylo while losing his life in the process to Snoke, while Rey is seduced by the Dark side and goes over to Snoke; thus Rey & Kylo's roles are completely reversed going into the 3rd film.
That way, it would justify Rey wielding the Double-bladed lightsaber in the trailers and Kylo would then take on the Skywalker family name to honour his grandfather and uncle and become the "Rise of Skywalker" since he is their blood descendant.
Definitely
Infinity War subverting expectations is like a magician showing you an amazing trick you’ve never seen before. TLJ subversion is like giving you an ice cream, slapping it out of your hand, scooping it off the ground, offering it back to you, dirt and twigs and all, and calling your racist when you don’t want it. If you’re going to subvert expectations you need to replace the expectation with something more interesting.
SuperSupermanX1999 That is the best analogy I have heard/read
+PonmonofNuggetor same
That last part is 1000% true. “If you’re going to subvert expectations, you need to replace those expectations with something more interesting.” Dead on.
I don't know if I've read such an accurate comment before
At 12:24 Schaffrilas tells us how the story “has to go.” The fact that he’s doing this as not much more than a sarcastic way to point out that there’s no exciting plot threads left in Star Wars and still somehow makes a better story than the actual episode nine film genuinely is one of the saddest things I’ve seen.
10:00 Thanos: Do it
Palpatine: Dew it
I knew someone would do that
Infinity War did this execution quite well. More so than Empire Strikes Back did dare I say.
Thanos was a real character with motives that made sense, the movie didn't feel like a good vs evil story like other Marvel movies. Both The Avengers and Thanos' intentions were justified and they were both the hero in their own point of view. It wasn't a good vs evil story anymore, it was who's strong enough to overcome their obstacles and accomplish their goal first.
Yes in the first half Thanos was an egocentric prick but after he killed Gamora he felt guilt and sorrow. He actually developed as a character, he didn't kill others for bragging rights anymore and just killed to accomplish his goal.
When Thanos collected all the Infinity Stones and successfully wiped out half the population in the universe, there was no evil laugh or monologue afterwards, all he did was stare over the horizon feeling satisfied of himself. Meanwhile The Avengers were left in despair after their first ever failure as half of their colleagues faded into dust. You could actually feel the pain of their crushing defeat.
While I am aware that Part 2 will probably go back to the good vs evil formula that everyone and their mother knows, just know that Part 1 wasn't about superheroes saving the day, the protagonist wasn't some brave and heroic chosen one destined to save the world. Infinity War part 1 had none of that, but it had Thanos. Infinity War part 1 revolves around Thanos and his quest to retrieve the Infinity Stones to do what he thinks will help the ecosystem.
What makes Infinity War so great is how it separates itself from other Marvel movies and how it sets itself up for the end, *AND DOES IT RIGHT (cough Last Jedi cough).* Instead of a generally light hearted tone and comedy that we all know Marvel as, it instead goes for a darker more ominous tone. Instead of being about the heroes it's about the supposed villain. It all ends with the "villain" achieving his lifelong goal and the heroes are left hopeless from their crushing defeat.
You could even argue that Thanos was the chosen one, destined to bring order and peace to the galaxy, in his own perspective. Interestingly, his story plays out along the lines of the Hero's Journey near to a T.
Strange that I found this one of the most emotional MCU movies and one of the funniest.
Every villain is the hero of their own story, right? Thanos and each subgroup of heroes had their own parallel story arc within the movie, all of them progressing in the traditional heroic manner. All of the good guys' arcs come crashing into Thanos's arc and get demolished one by one (Titan gang almost gets the Gauntlet except no they don't, Wakanda gang prevents him from getting the Mind Stone except no they don't, Thor's*extremely* personal and emotionally weighted vengeance quest pays off except no it doesn't). It's fantastic.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 EXACTLY! That is subversion done RIGHT! Thanos works so well because they commit to the moral grayness. The storyline, and even several scenes, is crafted as if Thanos is the hero. He is undeniably the protagonist and the star of the show.
8: great execution, god awful plot.
Prequels: poor execution, amazing plot.
8 also somehow has bad execution, great ideas with its ideas of failure and hope. Also, ROTS was executed really well, 75% of the time.
I was gonna say that!
From my point of view the Prequels had decent execution
The execution of last Jedi was horrible
@@QM21 it was visually stunning and set up a lot of plot threads for future movies.
That was at the expense of basically soft rebooting the trilogy, which wasn’t worth it, but that doesn’t change it.
Mom: Don't worry, you're not going to dissapear.
Daughter: :)
Mom: your dad is.
well played
Maverick
My smirk at your comment immediately dropped when I read the 3rd line (👌😂👌)
Daughter: $%*& yeah, I hate that drunk, abusive %(@^
*signing of divorce papers intensifies*
Thunderous applause and twice the pride double the fall are genius lines tho
HELLO THERE
You're beautiful because I love you
In my point of view the jedi are Evil
I'M THE SENATE
ITS OVER ANAKIN, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND
*screams at brick wall*
"Shiny"
*Brick wall immediately falls down*
*only to show another brick wall.*
well that subverted my expectations
5.....4.....3....2.....1......wait.......BOOM!!!!
You mean: Not BOOM!!!
Hello.......it is me you're looking for? I can see it in your soul that you don't want me here.... But fuck it I'm here anyways.
I love Finn, he's my favourite character in the new series and I'm pissed that they didn't kill him off. Him sacrificing himself would've been a great way to end his arc. He was a coward but then he proves his bravery by sacrificing himself to save the Rebels.
I feel like a great way to subvert expectations, would be to build expectations, make it obvious that you're going to subvert those expectations, then subvert *that* expectation by fulfilling the original expectations. Honestly surprised I haven't seen more instances of that.
Maybe cause it would be very easy to get wrong, but yeah that could work.
It’s very easy to get wrong. It often comes off as making the build up pointless.
Yeah, I think because that would be hard to pull off, and can end up just being disappointing to most people
I would say Star Trek Into Darkness attempted this by announcing a character that most people thought was Khan. Then J.J. came out and publicly stated it would not be Khan before the movie dropped.
The reason this fails is, the audience usually thinks you're trying to pull the wool over their eyes with the subversion. It either has to be a subversion they haven't figured out or something completely new; otherwise, the audience will just say, "see, I KNEW that was going to happen."
TANGERINE
If only people REALLY understood expectations, then they could develop those in subsequent movies and make a whole pool of knowledge and GREAT entertainment !
A thing I loved in infinity war was how they handled the "Marvel humor" (something TLJ desperatly tries to emulate). They start of as any Marvel movie with quips and banter but unlike TLJ they understand theme and mood and tone it down as Thanos becomes more and more of a threat leaving only a few characters who people excpect to joke in dire situations. This is something so many movies get wrong, they only go for the cheap laughts instead of making actual characters. Wish it wasnt like that
When Luke asks Rey where she's from and she says she come from nowhere and Luke says everyone comes from somewhere then follows it with CLANG...yeah that's pretty much nowhere....... fuck me. That's such a tonal gear cruncher I think I physically winced in the theater.
I had to laugh in the after credit scene when Samuel L. Jackson vanished just before he could finish saying his signature motherfucker. It actually is one of my favourite parts of the whole movie.
The first scene that comes to mind is Rocket seeing Buckys arm and comments how he wants that arm in the middle of the final battle. It fits with his character and history of collecting prosthetics, who knew building your characters properly could mean so much?! Looking at you DCEU...
@@KibaPwnU That's just one of the many things which make the Marvel movies work and why they only seem to get better thus far. The little things which may only take a second but still add so much to the whole experience.
To be fair, the Marvel characters already had a huge amount of screen time to build their characters and have their humor play off of each other in successful ways.
the part where Fin is going to ram the Battering Ram Cannon, and the girl rams him out of the way. She's technically driving a battering ram cannon battering ram battering ram
Underated comment.
So very underrated
You can say she wants to get "rammed" too.
I had to read that more times than I'd like to admit, to get the whole thing. Like, I got the point, but following the logic, damn.. maybe because it's 4am, actually
I love that Infinity War is a movie about a noble knight fighting for his vsion of a perfect world.
Thanos is not only the hero in his own mind, he is the protagonist of this movie.
We could all guess the ending by going into the movie, yet still i was so surprised by it, and that the Russos just made this huge leap of faith in terms of "risky" storytelling (which i wish all the big companys would), that i said "Holy Shit... he did it. We lost." out loud to my cat, while crying my eyes out.
Even now, if i watch Infinity War and Endgame end-to-end, i cry like a baby.
From the satisfying depression IW creates to the just epic and heartfelt solution that EG offered. (And the aftermath in Homecoming)
From "We lost" to "We won...?", and i want to stress this little word "we". Aside from LotR and HP there are no franchises that ever made me feel like "we" did anything.
(Sorry, i like the original Star Wars trilogy, but that was an fantastic space opera and never really got me that enthralled)
This franchise had so much Humanity in it. Even if they are Superhuman and the villains only got good with Ego - Kurt Russel... what a performance. Comparing him in "Soldier" where he is adequate to his outstanding performance as Ego is impossible.
And Thanos, oh god. Thanos could easily have been a Frollo. But he is a Masterpiece of a villain.
Oh boi, what a ride it has been.
Sincerely i hope that marvel learned it lessons with Guardians and the amazing Ragnarok, letting a great directors explore their take on great storys.
Sorry for the long comment :D
How do you mean, he could've been a Frollo?
@@AB-dm1wz kinda one dimensional
Does anyone else find it ironic that the avengers lost because they followed Rose’s philosophy
Shadow Venom77 I found it ironic that starlord, leader of the guardians of the galaxy, doomed the galaxy multiple times and lead to an uncountable amount of deaths.
You mean Cap's philosophy?
IsThis Cosure the whole point was that each of them doomed the galaxy with small choices that had large outcomes. But they accidentally made his a massive choice lmao
I thought the exact same thing when Cap said "We dont trade lives"
@@isthiscosure1701 i find it ironic that even if he didnt want to be a god for the universe, and gave up a normal life to be an outlaw but still gets backlash for emotions a human would have
The light speed ramming was cool, but it also kind of destroyed SW for me. All their space conflicts can be fought by robots utilizing kamikazi tactics.
Thank you. The scene is beautiful, but ruins every single space battle we've seen so far.
I don't know much about star wars economy but I can imagine that light speed capable engines would be hella expensive and not worth mass producing as a weapon
@@freyjaivory4354 maybe. The YT-1300 (millennium falcon) cost 25,000 credits used and has the engine. That means the engine probably costs a quarter of 25,000, as it wouldn't depreciate to less than what selling just the engine would make. So get some scraps together for 6,000 credits for the body and the engine for 6,250 credits. You don't need a working cockpit or anything, strap a lawn chair to the top and launch the cheapest droids you can find at the enemy. All together probably 18,000 credits per launcher which is actually cheaper than building a top of the line fleet.
@@freyjaivory4354 and keep in mind the millennium falcon is actually a pretty nice ship in the SW universe.
@@freyjaivory4354 Still more convenient than sacrificing a dozen bombers and their crews. Ah, according to the wiki, those bombers actually had an hyperspace drive themselves.
Infinity War legitimately had me on the edge of my seat the entire time
That Take On Me Cover subverted my expectations
How about the Evil Morty theme?
And the Bojack Horseman ending... What is this, a crossover episode?
I was so distracted with how lovely it was I had to watch this video twice :P
When is take on me
@@Chellzie In a day or twooooooo
Another note to add: Infinity War made all TLJ excuses invalid.
"you hated TLJ because of the minority characters" one word: WAKANDA
"You hated TLJ because of strong woman" Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Okoye & even Proxima Midnight
"You hated TLJ because it wasn't what you expected/your theory was wrong" I didn't expect Thanos to actually do the snap, I expected Iron Man to die, I expected Thanos to die from Cap using Thor's hammer, etc etc.
I still loved it
The Wakandans had a whole movie to themselves to show how awesome they were, same with the women characters (mainly because they don't overshadow the male MCU leads the way Rey does with SW). The Sequels did not.
@@ShadowSonic2 scarlet witch overshadowed everyone in wakanda except thor.
@@StrategyWasTaken Exactly, Thor still overshadowed her.
@@ShadowSonic2 So? Thor is the most powerful Avengers
@@derrickwoods1595 Which shows that IW didn't have a woman overshadow the Male characters so they can't say IW did it better than TLJ.
Schaffrillas: it’s obvious that this is how rise of skywalker is going to end-
Me: amazing every word of what you just said was wrong
And the last movie was still horrible.
Yeah, instead of doing what schaff did where it at least would be cohesive, they did a fucking fanfic
A week before seeing Infinity War, I heard that Spider-Man died. Someone even showed me the scene where he begged for his life, then faded away into nothing. I was heartbroken. I grew up watching the Spider-Man trilogy, the Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2. When I watched the same scene in the cinema, I almost had a breakdown. Infinity War really brought out a lot of emotion and depth to the characters, I also mourn for Iron Man, Loki, Gamora, and more.
The hyperspace crash is such a bad idea that it forces us to dismiss ALL of the previous Star Wars movies as a whole. If it truly was a viable option, they would have destroyed both Death Stars, and every large vessel in every movie this way (and arguably Star Killer base as well). It's evidently such an effective weapon that building anything bigger than a tie fighter is just begging to have it destroyed. Not to mention building a Death Star, which _entire reason for existing_ was to do what is apparently now possible with ANY vessel that has a hyperdrive. It's the most blatant example of aesthetics over substance in a movie filled to the brim with them.
bonkoboy
Wait, no, I don’t think any Hyperspace ramming ships can destroy planets, but I’d say that a capital ship ramming a planet would be smth like a half-teraton equivalent nuke, if not 1-10 teratons
@@nicholasleclerc1583
Well, I suppose the mechanism suggested by the movie implies that the destructive capabilities far outweighs the size and mass of the object doing the ramming --- it becomes more like an explosive missile than a mere kinetic bullet. So, theoretically, in order to destroy a planet like this, one would just have to equip a hyperspace engine to a larger object, like an asteroid. Given the enormous effectiveness of this tactic, there is no reason why they wouldn't find a way to do it.
Basically, it has such obvious utility that it would have made battleships in space obsolete a long time ago. In short, the rest of the movies make no sense if this is a thing.
@@Bonko78 but did deconstructing the whole universe in a single scene not subvert your expectations?
@@Valnotersc not gonna lie, that made me cackle
Yep. Rian: “throw out the last seven movies I want lightspeed missles”
The story about the mother assuring her daughter she wouldn’t disappear genuinely moved me to tears
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GENERAL MOTHERFUCKING KENOBI! You are a great one.
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The difference is...Infinity War subverted our expectations by paying off established plot points but also building up new intrigue to keep us excited for the next film.
The Last Jedi doesn't pay off anything, instead shutting down everything that was set up and therefore leaving us with absolutely no intrigue for the last film.
MCU: "Oh man what's gonna happen next!"
The Last Jedi: Rian Johnson "Your Snoke theory sucks lmao dumb nerds XD"
Seriously. The movie would be tolerable if he didn't go out of his way to prove every fan theory wrong. It makes the whole thing feel like a project of spite.
You can tell he doesn't care about Star Wars as a story or universe. There's a divide between the real fans who stayed in when all we had was the original trilogy, action figures, extended universe books and some video games and guys like Rian who wanted to use the movie to try and impress his peers.
Scar you dipshit your the one arguing in fucking RUclips telling how this movie is “perfect”
lol
@Scar Wow... You're the lowest lifeform I encountered in a looong time...
"It was... Reality."
*WHOOPS THERE GOES GRAVITY*
Watch yo profanity
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If Avengers 4 doesn't have Thanoscopter (or at least Thanos hijacking a helicopter), it will be the most disappointing film of all time.
What about his partner thanos fish?
It isn't the Thanos-copter if it doesn't have "THANOS" written on the side.
cyborgKaos2245 Truly
hang on, I need to ask thanos for his gauntlet...
...again...
I can’t tell if he’s being sarcastic about the light speed ram being good
This is the reason why there isn't any Rey car
no.
yes.
Rey car
Rose car
expectations subverted OwO
Yeah but got Kylo *w i d e*
Yeah I'd like to see the Reycopter
I hate when people say the deaths in infinity don’t matter or aren’t sad. It doesn’t matter if I know there’s another Spider-Man movie is coming, watching Peter Parker die is sad as a concept and even if his death doesn’t matter, it’s effects do. The way this effects Tony will matter, the way this might effect a revived Peter matter and on a larger scale, this event will still effect humanity (unless there’s like a complete time travel reversal).
Exactly - I hate meta-type thinking. When you play D&D, and there are signs of a cave being inhabited by a beholder, you don't say 'oh, we're level 4, so there's no way.' We know they have a movie, but will it take place in the canon gap of time between homecoming and IW? etc.
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Nah, Far From Home (or whatever it's being called) will just be 1 hour and 43 minutes of watching a cloud of dust blow around in the air of Titan.
This is what people don't realize. The deaths/dusting off of the characters was less for the audience and more for the surviving heroes in the movie. This wasn't really about our loss. This was about Steve watching his best friend die...again. Rocket watching his best friend die...again. Okoye watching his beloved king, the person she was supposed to protect with her life, die...again. Ironman watching a 16 year old kid he saw as his own son beg for his life, say he doesn't want to go, and end up dying anyway. This movie was about their loss because even though we know the characters are coming back, the heroes don't know that.
Far from home takes place before infinity war doesn’t it?
Watching infinty war I have to remember that many audience members dont read comicbooks. Its very interesting how I wasnt really sad as most people due to that fact that many comic heros come back to life in the books, at the at the end of infinty war I was intriuged how the general audience deals with the aftermath with knowledge on how they come back, my friend was pretty much going through the stages of grief.
"dont worry, youre not gonna disappear" i managed to wheeze the three times i rewatched that xD
I have enjoyed most of the marvel movies up to this point (iron man 3, ant man, and thor 2 duds imho) but infinity war was a cut above.
When it ended the theater was dead quiet. I dont know if I've ever been in a theater with a more deeply effected audience. There was no raucous applause, eventually some quiet murmurs started up.
If you told me 20 years ago, or even after the success of Iron Man, that a Marvel movie would effect mainstream America so emotionally I would have said you were out of your mind. I don't read comic books and odds are 70 percent of the people in the theater with me hadn't read one either. Building a cinematic universe was the only way to get audiences like me to care deeply enough about the heroes that we could be effected in such a way.
You can't do that in one movie. But even with the cinematic universe I did not think anyone would have the guts to make a Marvel movie like that. Everyone knows DC makes the dark gritty movies and Marvel makes the lighthearted funny ones, right?
Infinity War validated the idea of cinematic universes with it's large scope and good execution. It rendered the concept into an art form.
I was working heavily right when it came out, to the point that it was Sunday night after work and I didn't even realize it was opening weekend. I made it into the 11:40 showing, literally the last one in town. Me and like 10-15 other people. Small group. But we had the same reaction. Somebody went to the bathroom, but we all just sat in silence for the stinger. Never quite had a movie experience like that. (I did have an audible "oh, shit" at the lightspeed jump tho)
And I found it odd too. I cried at GotGv2 (stuff w my dad), but my friends didn't and so we were on kinda different wavelengths. Everybody I've talked to about Infinity War has talked about how intense and well-done it is. (I have an older friend on FB who also had to tell his kids they wouldn't disappear after it was over. Funny anecdote to put in.) Weird for any piece of art to have so universal a response. And part of that is the variety. Goofy cosmic Guardians; goofy grounded Thor; military/Murica guy Cap; afro-technical Black Panther; whatever your flavor, they were in IW, and done justice.
I was a big Star Wars EU reader when I was a kid (lived at the library, basically). But all of that stems from one time. I asked my mom about it recently, she confirmed I was right. I was maybe 3 or 4 and the whole trilogy was on TV. I got through ANH and Empire "glued to the TV", says my mom. At the end of it, I went out crying to my mom. "What if I can't watch it all at once?" "You don't have to, sweetie. You've been watching it a long time."
I thought it was real. Like, really a galaxy far far away. My home life was fine up until it wasn't. Star Wars was my escape. And before TLJ, it was fun escapism. Even the first time I saw TLJ, I rolled my eyes at the whole horse thing, and gave an audible "are you serious?" when Rose knocked Finn out of the way. Some ppl laughed at me. Haha. But alas. Now that everyone in the world's given their opinion, I'm still stuck here, wishing I could feel like those old movies made me feel.
IW might've struck a chord bc we've all had to sacrifice in order to get the things we want. It's inevitable, as you get older. I think TLJ didn't hit one for the reasons he talked about, but also because it wasn't magic. I mean, Disney and Lucasfilm, you'd think they couldn't mess that up. But they played it so safe, they ended up killing the yearly plan. Dunno how they'll get out of this one.
Funny that we're all concerned about what'll happen next after IW, but we're REALLY concerned about what happens next off-screen in Ep IX. Screw imagining superheroes bringing ppl together; comics did that for years. Can you imagine a mainline series bomb? After what JJ let Rian do, I don't think even giving him back the reins is a good idea. (I'm on record saying it was a bad idea from the outset-- bc of the never-answered Mystery Boxes, that's all he does, ever-- so I'm not looking forward to having more questions than answers after IX just so I'll buy tickets for X for sure.)
Joseph Corica If you were in my theater, I would have been the only one cheering. I’ve rooted for villains my whole life, because I felt in the Force, that one day, I would see the Chosen One on screen, and lift his head Victorious. I was ecstatic. I didn’t know what he would look like, but Megamind (a blue Alien vs a purple one) was like a sneak peak of what I wanted in 2009, and 9 years later, Thanos fulfilled the prophecy. 1 villain was all it took for me to have hope. You know what they say, *The good guys only need to get lucky once* and that, Thanos did.
All hail Thanos!
Iron man 3 is good watch it again
I wouldn't call Iron Man 3 or Ant Man duds. What you on about?
“Don’t worry you’re not gonna disappear”. Omfg