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That “all that for a drop of blood” quote is even more genius, because remember what Whiplash told Tony in Iron Man 2 “If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in him”
The part where they find Thanos and kill him is actually a great scene despite its slightly disappointing way of avenging the people who got snapped away by Thanos- but that's just it. It's unsatisfying. Even with the death of the main villain, the heroes still lost because the damage the villain caused still remains. It's a moment you'd think there'd be a huge fight, but no, the huge fight already happened, and untimely the villain won
And the line Thor says “I went for the head..” That’s when his depression started. It was heartbreaking, knowing Thor lost everything, only to kill Thanos, but also knowing it won’t bring the Dusted back.
@@crimz_ I was frustrated when people laughed at that or thought it was an ill timed joke. I am frustrated when people say Thor was thrown away as a fat joke and not epic. So many people completely MISSED THE POINT. God, I love Thor in Endgame so much. It's such a heartbreaking and ACCURATE portrayal of his grief, depression, guilt, and the weight of the personal responsibility he felt he had to stop Thanos. You see him eating and drinking before they leave earth, an early indication of his grief consumption, you have the line of, "I went for the head" as a haunting mantra that he can't let go, you have him dropping his "funny fat guy routine" the moment he hears Bruce say Thanos' name, because he's not fat and funny, he is broken and traumatized. To slowly see that damaged man speak to his mother, realize that it's ok to hurt and to fail, and to realize that for all his shortcomings, "[He's] still worthy." SO GOOD. And then at the end he suits up with Mjolnir AND Stormbreaker looking like a freaking Viking? I'm sorry, TELL ME HOW THAT'S NOT EPIC?! Also, can we appreciate that he didn't just get fit again at the end? He has started to heal emotionally, but his physical state shows there are still wounds, but that he has begun his path to restoration. OK, I'll stop. I just love it so much.
@@user-jt1js5mr3f yeah I completely agree with you. Or not completely but I do think that fat thor is soooo good for his character. Gives him more depth he is shown as an actual person and not a “does thou wear thine drapes” looking ass. Thor ragnarok infinity war and endgame (and slightly age of ultron too) are the good and interesting version of thor in my opinion.
@@user-jt1js5mr3f the problem a lot of people have with thor in endgame is that his story doesnt get a satisfying ending, but i thought it was pretty obvious he wasnt supposed to have one, becuase its not over yet
@@tossboy2643 Which I can see, but that adds to the fact that people upset by that weren't paying attention. Agreed, his story is not over yet and I am very happy about that. I loved where we last saw him because he was beginning to heal, his future had hope again.
It’s also amazing that Infinity War was portrayed in Thanos’s point of view. It was his movie; his hero’s journey. In his mind, he’s the hero trying to save the universe while the Avengers are the villains trying to see to the universe’s ultimate destruction
That’s why I felt so emotionally invested and it even made me care and admire Gamora and Nebula far more. Because outside of explanation from the two guardian movies, we never really had a sort of sense of dread for these two until we learned and saw Thanos’s plans and motivations in Infinity War
I'm kinda disappointed that you showed the scene where Thanos beats the guardians, but not the part that actually surprised me about it. That Quill was actually willing to follow through on his promise to Gamora, despite it being the last thing he wanted to do. Sure it was irrelevant, as Thanos managed to succeed anyway, but I was genuinely shocked.
Man, when I saw that in the theatre, you could cut the tension with a knife. That scene is designed to counterbalance the humanization Thanos gets, and it WORKS SO GOOD. That whole scene is just him fucking with Quill's emotions, trying to break an opponent who already really can't fight back.
@@ihavenoclueeither Probably because Quill was so willing to sacrifice for the greater good and would, despite all his hurt and emotions, kill Gamora for the safety of his family. Something an aspect he was given from his selfless mother, and not his egotistical father
Well it probably wasn’t me but I certainly groaned when that happened. If that happened then I would probably like Finn, and maybe even the movie more.
Yeah, I didn’t feel like anything was at stake since the sequels hadn’t sacrificed anything. So when I thought Finn would sacrifice himself and that they would let him die, it would get interesting. But he didn’t, instead they made the love interest stop him. And then they forgot her. Just to add another. They really ruined him, and just to clear I did like him in the first movie.
I'll be honest, I laughed. Finn's character arc was at an end. Rose was selfish and developed her character arc with it. That subversion was funny to me. Because it felt naturally idiotic. Almost like a real mistake.
@@zeusesparza1291 And the movie didnt even care to explore how palpatine got a woman pregnant and his fucking son grew up knowing who his father was and they trying to hide rey. no let us just put 30seconds of jumpcutted scenes into the movie to explain this shit
Or didn't dare to go for it. If Rey and kylo worked together it would be a GOOD plottwist that could make it an interisting development. The only reason this didn't happen was because it would f*** up the universe and would be to special... Goddmnt Disney
I was thinking that awhile back. Rey just lost everything and was fighting back tears. Her turn to the Dark Side would have been so fascinating to me. For all the "subverting expectations" and making the story unpredictable for excitement, it seems Rian thought that her change would have been too much for some reason.
@@mifphilip Well, the movie was literally announced with the name "Avengers: Infinity War - Part 2". And although that is a placeholder name, everybody knew it will be Part 2, no matter its name.
TheGuyYouLoveToHate True, however many also believed that Infinity War would be a stalemate or just the first part of the battle with a few casualties. People predicted Spiderman, Loki, and Vision dying, but no one saw half the universe dying. No one predicted that.
Spencer Riggins But everybody gonna to return in Avengers 4... (at least main heroes and the other half of the universe) And everyone can predict that... The only stake we gonna have about this futur movie (and in mostly 10 years of this tv show in big screen) is to know if Steve or Tony gonna die
I can't get over how that mom in the theatres had to reassure her daughter that she wouldn't disappear. That is when you know Marvel does a good job. But can you imagine? The mom is just like: "Don't worry, you're not gonna disapp-" then she just vanishes.
It was heartbreaking because while in Justice League, the entire universe was blown up and destroyed, Infinity War slowly and steadily killed people and the entire universe
SW7: Highly experienced Elite First Order Stormtrooper who was hyped up before the films release gets defeated without a fight, sells out to her allies, and gets put in a trash compactor. SW8: Master of the Dark Side (who had witnessed the fall of the Republic from the shadows, with Sidious not knowing anything about him until right before dying at Endor) who was hyped up before the films release dies without a fight, in a way that other characters such as Darth Maul survived. SW9: The original master of the Dark Side (who, thanks to continuity errors, created the previous character, fought Yoda to a stalemate (and, if the novel is to be believed, would've inevitably won if Yoda kept on fighting) and had the power of all the Sith) who was hyped up before the films release accidentally kills himself without a fight. Notice a pattern?
That last shot of Steve saying "Oh god" is such a gut punch and it kind of mirrors that shot of avengers one where They're all standing around Tony after Hulk catches him. But instead of victory, they have been utterly defeated.
Steve saying it was so powerful, because it's the moment he realised what had really happened. They didn't just lose a battle, they lost everything and countless innocents are dead. Billions of them from every inhabited planet. Numbers that we don't even have words for.
Theres a very important lesson to be learned here, like when you subvert expectations to tell a good story you get a good movie. But when you subvert expectations for the sake of subverting expectations, you don't.
I think Rian Johnson was simply lazy and didn't bother to educate himself on any backstore of the SW Universe and acted like it was all a blank slate. Didn't even try and coordinate with the previous movie.... Such a joke.
@NADS IQ Again, no. *Hollywood* - The Last Jedi won 0 major awards.... (though it did win AARP's Best Film in the "Movies for Grownups" Category) *Wall Street* - Wall Street cares more about profits than sales. They also care about trends which indicate where the *brand* will go in the future. The brand is more than just movies and a lot more money is typically gained in those channels. (e.g. merchandise) Movie Sales ----------------- In this case - The Force Awakens had a $2B in worldwide box office Revenue w/ a movie cost of ~$260M (excludes marketing, etc., etc.) Gross Profit = $1.74B / ~760% return. The Last Jedi - $1.3B / ~$262M = $1.038B / ~400% return While it still made money, there is a significant drop between the performance of the prior movie and this one. This is *NOT* something Wall Street would like. Even worse is when you look at the numbers (so far) for Rise of Skywalker: $724M worldwide & production cost of $275M ... While it is still in theaters and could possibly catch up with TLJ, this is *not* something that Wall Street would like.... One very interesting data point, is the domestic (US) box office. TFA - $936M TLJ - $620M TFA* -$361M In fairness, the Original Trilogy also showed decline between the three movies, even though all are thought of as "good" movies; however, Wall Street wouldn't have approved of their performance either. (though the weakest original movie had a 14X profit) Other (Merch) ----------------------- While harder to quantify with exact numbers, the Disney Annual Report does have "nuggets" speaking to SW Merch: TFA - Strong sales Rogue One - Less sales than TFA TLJ - Significantly less than Rogue One Again, not something Wall Street would be jumping up and down about.
first time I saw IW I was in such a state of shock, that I didn't know what to say to my friends for at least ten minutes. a week(?) later I went, this time alone, to watch it "emotionlessly", since I already knew what was going to happen... cried the entire effing movie.
The family in front of us was sobbing during the Spiderman scene (you all know which one I'm talking about). I had not seen a single spiderman movie up to that point so I didnt feel the impact as much. But now that I have... dang that would have hit HARD.
There were kids that cried in our theatre. It's true what he said. I knew/know what was/is going to happen, but I genuinely want to know how it's going to happen.
3:25 “Hey! I saved your life!” “You didn’t save my life, you ruined my death!” I don’t think I can ever describe this scene using my own words, I can only use this quote.
11:59 "You just gave the fans a satisfying movie that tells a shockingly coherent story, delivers comedy at the right moments without messing with the overall dire tone, and ends in a way that leaves the audience floored and wanting more. [Infinity War] is everything The Last Jedi *didn't have the balls to be.* " From a die hard Star Wars fan, and someone who is NOT a Marvel fan, *1000% Agreed.*
Yep. I know this sounds a bit stupid, but I've chosen to simply immortalize (as a prequel LOVER, sorry, I know, but I do) the prequels and originals as true Star Wars. As soon as Lucas was removed, it wan't real for me.
I was born in 2002. The originals will always be the best in my opinion, Return of The Jedi has always been my favourite since I was a small child. Prequels were needed to build up that story and honestly I don’t get why so many people hate them. Revenge of The Sixth has the best fight scene out of all of the Star Wars movies and it brilliantly portrays the divide between light and dark. But these new Star Wars movies are complete trash. I came out of Last Jedi and thought “well I’m never watching that again” - I don’t care what anyone says. I’m a big Star Wars fan but you would be lying if you said it was a perfect film. Rogue One is my favourite out of the new Star Wars movies as it fits perfectly between 3 and 4. Solo wasn’t bad. That’s my rant over, bye.
It would've been cool if Rey and Kylo both sort of put an end to the Jedi and Sith (let's face it, both factions are fucking ticking time bombs) but remained enemies, bringing an end to a previous age while bringing about a new one. But no, we gotta keep the cycle going.
Jesus Christ... Palpatine's "Do it" edited in when Quill was about to kill Gamora got a hearty, hearty chuckle from me. Genuinely snort laughed. New sub, great video mate.
it was a great point he made there. i never thought quill would pull the trigger. you could see the expression of pure agony on his face when he did too. in this moment he wasnt much different from thanos, who ended up sacrificing a loved one for what he perceived as the greater good. the same reason why thanos said he likes quill, after he pulled the trigger.
@@Stone7C1 Watching Infinity War, you really get the sense that Thanos actually respects the Avengers ("I hope they remember you, Stark") and some of the Guardians too. This is something that was missing from most Marvel villains, even the better ones like Killmonger or Hela. The only other Marvel villain who seemed to respect his/her adversary was Vulture.
Didn't even mention how Thor was set up on his hero's journey that would end with him defeating the villain. While Thanos was seemingly on his villain's mission, but it was ultimately HIS hero's journey. He was the main character. It was his story. And that's why him winning in the end was subversive. I went in thinking "okay, it's a two parter, Thanos will get like 3-4 stones and we'll see the Avengers take a final stand in part 2 to keep him from getting them all" My fucking face when he had 4 like halfway through the movie. He really did it. Civil war is the reason why, because the avengers were torn apart, but I liked what you said about how they were unwilling to make the sacrifices as well. But I think that makes it more subversive because the ending of Civil War made it seem like "yea we fought but we'll be pals soon" And then it really took until an hour or so into Endgame for them to be on a friendly level with each other again (Cap and Tony that is). Crazy stuff. Excellent story telling.
it probaly would be good but Marvel has a format that only really works well with superheroes and Marvel. Don't get me wrong im a huge fan of Marvel but they arent the people to do Star Wars movies. BUT if a Marvel director and Star Wars director work together it could work very well i mean everyones seen Mando right! That was made by the director of The Clone Wars and the director of Iron Man
@@jeffmorris5802 The battle for Wakanda was meh, but the ending and the battle where thanos trew a moon were amazing. They're both great movies, a good ending of a great series.
I think Endgame was fantastic as a story -- I mean what a way to end what was essentially the first 'phase' of the MCU, and the callbacks to previous movies were fantastic -- but as a movie, Infinity War was better. Endgame basically ignored a lot of character development (mostly Steve's) and there were some rather problematic aspects, like the pandering Girl Power scene or Thor's depression being used as a joke. Plus, plot holes. They seriously had no clue how their time travel worked. Endgame could have been a lot better than it was in terms of the way it dealt with its characters, but it was still really good. Both of them had incredible fight scenes though, I literally got chills. So yea, this was basically a long-winded way of saying I pretty much agree with you. Sorry for the long paragraph, Marvel is probably my favourite franchise and I have a lot of feelings about it :P
It seems longer because all that thing with Finn and Rose leaving the group was totally unnecessary for the plot .. and it lasted so long. In Infinity war every single group that separates has the real reason to do so.. even if they fail.
I feel it's because Infinity War had incredible pacing and each scene was good. It rarely has downtime. On my first viewing of Infinity War, I never felt bored with the scenes; it just kept delivering more and more. Honestly, when it ended it felt like very little time had passed, even when watching through the credits.
TheMrStoo oh my gosh, you’re right! The Solo movie showed that Maul survived and he’s (presumably) not as strong with the Force as Snoke is! That could mean the Snoke could actually make a comeback!
Rybread103 That’s fine. I thought it was a bit on the nose. I don’t like the prequels all that much and I gave them a chance recently. Revenge of the Sith was definitely the best of the three. I feel like with a proper screenwriter, it could’ve been amazing. The execution just left a bad taste in my mouth
@@sebastienmccarthy1483 Oh trust me, I know the Prequels overall weren't as good as the OT, but still, they're not THAT bad tbh, also, there are certain elements that people called plot holes created by the prequels when in reality if you delve a little bit further, there's not that many plot holes at all
I actually liked the "this is how liberty dies" quote. I thought it was very relevant to history and modern society, and one of the better lines in the film. Anakin's speech on sand, on the other hand...
The hyper space ramming thing doesn't make sense in the star wars universe. Because hyperspace isn't just going really fast. It basically a worm hole to go to another side of the universe. And if it was so effective in killing things why didn't people fight like this before? It just makes no sense.
While yes, there's a lot of lore about having to avoid objects when going into hyperspace, like stars or you'd get burned up, and interdictor ships can use gravitational fields to pull ships out of hyperspace due to safety mechanisms built into them. Would it have worked? Arguable at best. But it's at least plausible, that plus ships ships shields are only shown to work on objects traveling slower than lightspeed in tfa.
@@PickleBeanBoss well I'm not saying it would have, but they did play it off as a desperate last move that probably wouldn't work. 1/1000000 I think is what was said in the movie. Those ain't great odds, and you could probably destroy the ship even if it didn't work, that'd be my argument for why it's not used before, and honestly, I'd guess it only worked because of the sheer size of snokes ship and also the fact that Holdos wasn't a small ship either. I think that they just got lucky.
@@mychajlomiller3688 yeah but lucky isn't the same as impossible. She wouldn't have been able to go through. I don't think it would be plausible in that universe
Isabel Brokaw you could still tell tbh. the first half of the intro he was emoting, all intimidating and shit. though the whole "he's the most powerful being in the universe now so he doesnt NEED armor" schtick still kinda makes sense
I think they also got rid of his armor because that way he is more relatable. I mean, with the armor he looks very intimidating and shit, it would be kind of hard to see him as a "real person" and he would look more like a "villain"
He had most likely thought that his massive battles (power stone on Xandar and the space stone with the Asguardians) were done, as he assumed his children would be able to get the rest
thought I was the only one... he deserved to win just as muchu as the Avengers & co did, making both Endgame and IW soooo fucking good. I was actually kinda hapyy seeign him not fade awawy, but then it happened.... I also loved the way he wasn't screaming around or so when he lost, he accepted his fait and watched with sadness, sitting down, knowing he'll dust away and that was it.... It's so well done, I can't belive it
I felt sad when Thanos died at the beginning of Endgame, but when he died again at the end, I didn’t feel bad, because he had become a much more generic “I will destroy the world and reshape it in my image” sort of villain.
child-gamorra: did you do it? thanos: yes child-gamorra: what did it cost? thanos: everything pretty much sums up why thanos is a good villain, he is aware of what his victory has cost him but still felt that he had to do it
Personally I think this moment should be scripted just a bit differently to add more weight to it. Should have been... Child-Gamorra: Did you do it? Thanos: Yes Child-Gamorra: Was it worth it? Thanos: (Thanos is unable to look her in the eyes as sadness furrows his brow) (Sunset scene: Thanos has to collect himself emotionally, for a moment, before smiling in his contentment.) I also think they should have had another flashback scene of Gamorra interacting with Thanos as a child and actually having a real father daughter moment. A moment where she actually called him 'dad' for once. This coupled with the scene where he throws her off: If as she was falling she screamed the name "Dad" then showing how much it wounds Thanos in that moment to be really reminded that she was truly his daughter, even in her mind.
Thanos is, in my opinion, one of the most compelling villians Ive ever watched in a movie. I just loved his character and writing so much. Most movies are about their hero. Infinity War was all about it's villian
@@nnn4376 Definitely. The fact that so many heroes were involved in Infinity War somewhat adds to that, too, as there isn't really a "central hero" or hero protagonist. If anything, one could say that Thanos was the main character, in a way.
Kill monger is similar, his motivations are totally understandable, and cause you to question the goodness of Wakanda. Marvel has been doing well with villains
I completly agree with the subversion of epectations in infinity war in the theater when people started cornflaking at the end of the movie a kid next to me said "I hope spiderman doesn't die" to which I thought "Naw spiderman made to much money he ain't gonna die" Then "Mr Stark, I don't feel so good"
@@Dragonage2ftw Subversion is about straying from the orthodox plots, not about predictability. The archetypal hero story is one in which the hero first fails, then goes through some transformation (usually through sacrifice of some sort, or dedication to training) and then is able to win. It tells us that through sacrifice and dedication we can become better versions of ourselves. You see this is just about every single story with a hero theme, be it modern films or ancient myths. Infinity War subverted this by having the antagonist go through this instead of the hero. It is subversion, whether you could predict it or not isn't relevant.
I thought that too and then I was hugging my 12-year-old as Peter dusted away, and I was like, "No! Not the baby!" My kid was, "Oh my god mom, really?"
The thing that subverted my expectations was the fact that Star Lord was willing to kill Gamora there has been so many movies where one love interest swears to kill the other but then doesn’t because ThEy LoVe ThEm ToO MuCh even if it’s the best thing for the the most people.
@@fishfish2128 Thanos doesn't bother killing individuals because he's not evil. Unless someone is hindering him from accomplishing his goal he'll deal with them (see: Gamora), otherwise it means nothing.,
Fishfish212 on the contrary, Thanos gave him respect for that! Thanos was prepared to make sure Gamora doesn’t die but he wanted to show her that she can’t trust anyone, a weakling who promised her something, but then Quill pulled the trigger and he kept his promise, whatever the cost!
It's sad that we consider a humanized main villain to be subversive in this day and age. It should be the norm. No one in the universe thinks they are evil. Everyone who does evil things thinks they are doing the right thing at the time. Weather they are wrong or not is where the conflict should lie.
Well I’d argue that’s not always true. Some killers know what they did was wrong but did it despite that because it served their own interests and desires. I’m not saying most villains shouldn’t have more depth but some people are simply bad people.
+Eric Adkins Sorry for jumping in on this discussion but I'm kind of curious what you would classify as "insane". I mean, do you mean full-blown psychosis or just anything that deviates from "normal human behaviour" down to things like compulsive lying? For example, forget murder for the moment. Crimes like rape or torture - in other words, crimes that are committed for no reason and serve no benefit to anyone except for the pain of the victim and brief power for the perpetrator - would you say people have to be insane to commit these sorts of crimes or do you think they see some benefit in it beyond just inflicting pain on someone else? For my money, I've long held the belief that the "villain with explainable motives" IS the norm to the point where it's actually starting to become a shackle rather than a tool. Nowadays, it seems every villain has to seem sympathetic to a degree, every villain has to have a sad backstory or a backstory which shows he has reasons to "blame" the heroes, or deep-rooted family issues or something to "explain away the bad". I have nothing against complex villains at all, but I don't think the "people are never just evil" mindset is strictly true. Whether we like it or not, there are people out there who revel in causing pain for its own sake and the truth is you don't even have to look very far to find them. One of the examples I often give in these discussions is Iago in Othello who offers no less than five separate motivations to the audience for his actions, each more nonsensical than the last and straight-up refuses to provide a definitive answer when confronted at the end of the play. He is the definition of a "motiveless" villain and is often hailed as one of the greatest villains in western literature as well as one of the most interesting, in no small part because of the mystery of exactly why he did what he did. Villains with explicable (and occasionally understandable) motives have their place, yes, just as tragic villains, fallen heroes, and straight-up Freudian messes do, but above anything else the type of villain needs to work with the scope of the story being told. A personal conflict between hero and villain needs a personal connection, whereas I'd be perfectly fine not knowing exactly why someone wants to destroy 50% of all life in the universe because at that point, on that scale, it becomes unnecessary. One can easily come up with hundreds of motivations on one's own if they want to but it's not a question that desperately needs a solid answer. Whoa, that got long. Sorry about that...
Overly Dramatic Panda I would say that these people who enjoy causing harm for harm's sake are insane. Sadists are often irrational, and many suffer from psychosis or schizophrenia. I'm not saying excuse them. And I'm pretty sure they have rational reasons for doing what they do. They aren't bad in thier eyes. That's the only argument I'm making. That villains should never see themselves as the bad guy, and should have clear goals and motivations, to keep it realistic and relatable. That results in a better story 100% of the time. Iago was written by a master storyteller, and he could write lazily and still shit gold. If Iago had clear motivations and was relatable, I'm sure the story would be better. But he didn't have to for the Bard to make him a good character. I see where you're coming from, but weather they see it as a "necessary evil, actually think they're helping someone, or are just insane, people never see themselves as the bad guy.
On top of this, it would have physically been impossible for Rose to catch up with Finn. Even she could catch up, it would have been even impossible for her to slam into Finn at the 90 degree angle that it was.
If Rian Johnson really wanted to subvert expectations, all he had to do was have Rey and Kylo team up after killing Snoke. Rey had no attachments to the Resistance other than just being a light side character. End the movie with Leia then using the map from the first movie to meet up with Luke Skywalker herself to tell him that he is now their only hope, but instead he gives her his lightsaber to say, "No. We are." Commence credits.
The themes of Rey turning to the dark side is suggested because she is untrained in the ways of the force. There is no reason she should understand how to resist it. Being wronged her entire life should be enough fuel for her to go on a power trip when given the opportunity. Instead, we got what we got just because she has to be a likable character or something? Episode VII suggested that Kylo is pulled toward the light side and is not completely fallen. He should be redeemed in Episode IX and Rey being unredeemable in the eventual conclusion. There is so much you can do with it. My guess is that Colin Trevorrow wanted something like this set up for Episode IX, but he was dealt such a bad hand for the last movie that he wanted no part of it.
If Ryan Johnson directed Infinity War....... Thanos dies midway thru the movie, the infinity stones do nothing when collected, cap americas a hermit who tried to kill hawkeye, black widow becomes the leader of the team and goes after new evil/good hawkeye.... black panther quits fighting evil and fights only for animal rights and liberties. the main avengers die to hawkeye and are replaced with the teen titans ... are your expectations not subverted?
If Marvel wrote The Last Jedi.....Snokes identity is revealed to be an outcast of the old Jedi order who’s been watching the story unfold from afar. After the fall of the empire the people were left lawless without leadership. As one of the last two force users, Snoke felt obligated to come out of exile and restore order. His justified fear was Luke restoring the Jedi order of old and history repeating itself…Snoke feels great power in young Kylo and thru the force he shows the flaws of the Jedi, how they were easily corrupted by the senate , overtaken by the empire, exiled for love. Young Kylo, feels neglected by Luke and appreciated by Snoke and joins him. Luke has been on the island training in the ways of the force with the aid of old ghost jedi masters Yoda and Obi Wan. His force abilities are well beyond the powers expected of the jedi..But yet he feels he is outmatched by Snoke… He warmly embraces the lightsaber Rey gives him and tells her He’s Been waiting for her... He takes Rey as his apprentice for the final battle to come… Rey is fascinated by Luke, his incredible power but more from his wisdom. Kylo and Rey connect using the force and spend time together by their own powers in secret. They feel their strongest when they are together and share a mysterious magnet like connection. The two inevitably fall in love and the outcome of the pairing is a phenomenon the universe has never felt before. The combination of Dark and Light, Sith and Jedi, Hate and Love sends shockwaves through the galaxy. Snoke and Luke both feel chills from this great disturbance in the force….. To be Continued…
Hey, you subverted my expectations as well. I came in here expecting a Tamatoa joke and got none. Nice; keeping them just occuring enough to be a running gag but not frequent enough to be annoying.
I think if Infinity War had the production value and CGI but came out before the age of the internet, the ending would’ve been a lot more powerful. People wouldn’t know for a fact that there would be a sequel or more movies for characters that are dead, they would genuinely believe that the ending would lead to permanent deaths for half the cast.
Oh most certainly. Someone on the production crew for the sequel would probably leak that they're making one but unless it was outright confirmed a lot of people would probably think it was a rumor. Damn, now I kind of wish I was sheltered from knowing a sequel was ever being made.
The best comparison I can draw to that is when Spock died in the Wrath of Khan. They bring him back in the next movie but at the time that must've been the biggest shock imaginable.
The studios under the Disney umbrella work independently. Pixar and Marvel are definitely superior to Lucasfilm, and none of them have anything to do with the other.
Isn't it funny how you've been tricked over years into thinking that one of the largest organizations in USA can and does have a single consistent identity?
It’s actually cool to listen to the Russo brothers’ commentary for this movie because they point out that the only way they felt this movie would work as a cohesive story was to make it about Thanos and his “hero’s journey.” That’s why it’s subversive yet satisfying. Similarly, when they talk about Civil War and how the fact that the audience is introduced to this idea of there being more winter soldiers causing us to internally assume that Tony and Cap would have to come together to defeat them, yet that is not what happens and the movie actually leaves them even more fractured rather than trying to repair the damage that had already been done.
When I first saw Infinity War I had no idea it was meant to be a two parter. So when the ending came and everyone was dying my reaction was something along the lines of “wait, that’s it? That’s how it ends!?” It was at that point that I found out it was a two part movie.
What if Fin tried to recruit Phasma, what if his sacrifice was the push she needed, what if Rose was the traitor and that thief dude didn't exist.What if Kylo and Rey switched sides.What if Rian Johnson cared about Star Wars, or was intelligent enough to understand it. My expectations were thoroughly subverted, I expected Star Wars.
@You tuber As a Star Wars movie, TLJ is terrible and even as a film, it’s got quite a few glaring flaws. The original comment was right, Rian cared more about his view rather than SW as a whole. Also, even tho OC is throwing out story ideas, they sound a lot better than the bland/awful “subversions” TLJ had.
Congratulations. This was the first video critiquing the Last Jedi that didn’t make my eyes roll out of my skull. You were fair, even-handed, had actual complaints related to character arcs, focused on its progressivism actually being half-baked and failing to meet its own standards, and competently showcased how its tone affected its narrative impact, and I can respect all of that. This is the first time I feel like I’ve watched an intelligent critic explain why they disliked the movie. Subscribed.
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Nicholas Rodinos "The Mary Sue is the center of the universe, Rey is not that in the first or second movie." What? The original Mary Sue, from which the trope was named after wasn't even the center of the universe, just the center of everything that is important due to angel-like values that completely twists how characters are supposed to react. As well as change the world around them works in general to their benefit. Rey has definitely done this much, so your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Pretty much no one is a Mary Sue in fiction if this is your gauge, which I suspect is the point.
Nicholas Rodinos Actually, that’s not what a Mary Sue is, only a symptom of it. A Mary Sue has no real flaws and is pretty much a like playing an RPG on easy with a cheat code maxing out all the stats. And unfortunately that describes Rey pretty well. She doesn’t have to train or learn anything to gain new skills. She just knows (or downloads, if you want to go with the most popular explanation for her knowing everything) everything already, contradicting everything that came before her. Despite being the protagonist she is a completely flat character. In short, she is kinda boring. Combine that with making a mockery of the only non-villain to have any character growth from the previous film and maybe you’ll start to understand why The Last Jedi just isn’t a very good movie.
I've seen plenty of great critiques of TLJ, though I can imagine their hard to watch for someone who enjoyed the film since most people won't stop shitting on it, but there's certainly a surplus of great videos pointing out what made TLJ such a flawed film
Infinity War was great. You know why? Because when Tony was stabbed, the whole theater gasped. When Gamora died, the whole theater fell silent. When Peter (spidey) cried, so did the theater. When Thanos snapped, another collective gasp. We all knew it was coming, but it still caught us by surprise. A great movie resonates with its audience. When I saw The Last Jedi, the only scene that made any impact was the lightspeed scene and it only caused everyone to be silent. Not much of a reaction.
The only downside of Infinity War is the final battle. It didn't need to be that long as we all knew Thanos would rewind time. Makes that battle feel bloated and over the top useless. However the rest of the movie is pretty good. Gamora's death made me want to cry...that was the most brutal death in the entire film.
@@mish375 Gamora's death was so surprising to me and I honestly don't really know why, because I halfway expected it? In a way? I don't know how to explain it, but it was so heart-wrenching!
It actually is. Since she's the only person in the Senate that seems to realize that they just sold all of their freedoms for a sense of security. Even though that security is coming from Space Voldemort. The only problem is that she should've realized this years ago.
elevate07 There actually was a cut scene in ROTS where Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, and some other senators were talking about Palpatine’s increasing power and how it was concerning to them. And in the Clone Wars series, a few episodes were focused on trying to stop the emergency creation of more Clones, as they feared the purpose was sinister.
It's a good line, but it's delivered poorly. For a sarcastic line, you'd expect her to make more of an effort in pronouncing the "thunderous applause" bit of her line. It's more telling of George Lucas being a poor director with regards to dialogue than of Natalie Portman's acting skills though.
The light speed scene in the last jedi was incredible illogical according to the other 2 trilogies. Light speed is going through a worm hole that means when you come out of it, it would've been the same as going lightspeed. Thus is also why whenever you see a ship come out of light speed, it immediately stops or is going much slower because they're not breaking to slow down, they're coming out of a different dimension. Pretty much the light speed scene in the last jedi is complete trash.
To be fair kids are pretty fucking stupid. They'll believe most shit you tell them if they're naive enough and you tell them with a straight enough face. Honestly don't feel like bringing that fact up does anything for his point other than showing how dumb kids can be
Other Moviegoers- What's going on Random Moviegoer- I think we just lost Alien Overlord- Don't worry little one that won't happen to us Alien Overlord's Daughter- But I'm not feeling so good...
Watching this video nowadays and seeing schaff talk about how he doesn't want to talk about the last jedi anymore knowing that he later does a 38 minute video about it is so funny
Newborn delivery No, Rian Johnson just said that b/c everyone kept giving TLJ shit. People were seeing the movie over and over again and RotJ even did better at the box office than empire, because everyone was so hyped after it
@@NewStorkProductions Nah it just sold slightly less. My dad saw Episode 4 and thought that was it of the star wars series. He didnt even know there was an ESB until ROTJ came out. Marketing back then is different now. It was critically acclaimed back then. Believe it got an Oscar as well.
When I went to go see Infinity War, it was about a week after its release (I generally do this just in case a movie turns out to be a complete dumpster fire and I don’t waste money). Immediately, when the movie was being memed to death, I knew I didn’t even need to see a review to know it was going to be good. I invited my girlfriend to see the movie, at first she declined as she didn’t like neither Star Wars nor any super hero movie, but after some explaining, she agreed to see it. She has never seen any marvel movie or knows about any of the characters, but she squeezed my arm throughout the majority of the really tense moments, and after watching it, she wanted to see the rest of the marvel movies and the next avengers movie. If I took her to see the last Jedi, she wouldn’t be interested in even seeing any other Star Wars movie. If a movie franchise can’t do this, then there is a major problem.
See the thing is I didn’t expect the memes to be every single death, and I didn’t realize they were turning into dust so I assumed the memes were just about one specific death? So the whole movie I was waiting for someone to “triangle away” and when they started turning to dust it hit me
I think she was a rather important part of Endgame. Without her and Thanos fight Tony would have never thought about taking out the infinity stones. I think people are too mean to Captain Marvel and I don't see why she gets all the hate.
It is accurate unless you want to watch the original trilogy and question every action they take in space battles. Eg: the death star battle. Just fly a single cruiser into it at light speed if this is how light speed works now.
Converge then my point is given even more backing. That scene makes every space battle in Star Wars seem pointless because they could all just last a few minutes with everyone crashing ships into each other.
1: I think that when people look back they will admit that infinite war was better than endgame. Endgame was way “cooler” but infinity war is way more cinematically shocking. 2: they did Luke wrong. They did him so wrong. They went so far against his character.
Jeff Morris Nah, there literally are no perfect movies because there are too many variables at play, as Schaffrillas has said. You should watch a full, detailed, review/analysis of Infinity War. It has quite a few plot holes. That being said, I still prefer Infinity War over Endgame.
The Last Jedi subverted our expectations by being bad Infinity War subverted our expectations by being good EDIT: stop being toxic and writing stupid, half-arsed replies about CGI PLEASE. It's driving me mad. CGI is not evil and it's not the holy grail either, it's a filmmaking tool like everything else, stop getting so nasty about it!
Soviet Russia I expected it to suck like other Marvel movies. But my expectations were subverted, it is quite good, and comparing to other Marvels and Disney Star Wars it is just brilliant and amazing.
"Don't worry, you're not going to disappear" That broke my heart. I almost got tears in my eyes if I even imagine having to tell my child that. If I ever get kids
But I mean, that means that the movie was so impactful that it left an impact on the audience. This may sound harsh, but if you make your audience question their own existence... you’re probably doing something right.
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Thanos banned yr old Roblox and fortnite account
Smash collab?
Can you do a video about Chicken Little?
What's the song used at 9:27?
I liked the movie.
"You should've gone for the head" and "All that for one drop of blood" will be quotes remembered for years
That “all that for a drop of blood” quote is even more genius, because remember what Whiplash told Tony in Iron Man 2
“If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in him”
@@SpairM that's what I thought instantly when be said that
@@jeesonkallukkaran8140 I do
@@jeesonkallukkaran8140 You don’t remember Iron Man 2.
@I Wetted Myself Uwu well darn you. Keep your opinions to yourself(doesn't even know what sarcasm is)
The part where they find Thanos and kill him is actually a great scene despite its slightly disappointing way of avenging the people who got snapped away by Thanos- but that's just it. It's unsatisfying. Even with the death of the main villain, the heroes still lost because the damage the villain caused still remains. It's a moment you'd think there'd be a huge fight, but no, the huge fight already happened, and untimely the villain won
And the line Thor says “I went for the head..”
That’s when his depression started. It was heartbreaking, knowing Thor lost everything, only to kill Thanos, but also knowing it won’t bring the Dusted back.
@@crimz_ I was frustrated when people laughed at that or thought it was an ill timed joke. I am frustrated when people say Thor was thrown away as a fat joke and not epic.
So many people completely MISSED THE POINT.
God, I love Thor in Endgame so much. It's such a heartbreaking and ACCURATE portrayal of his grief, depression, guilt, and the weight of the personal responsibility he felt he had to stop Thanos.
You see him eating and drinking before they leave earth, an early indication of his grief consumption, you have the line of, "I went for the head" as a haunting mantra that he can't let go, you have him dropping his "funny fat guy routine" the moment he hears Bruce say Thanos' name, because he's not fat and funny, he is broken and traumatized.
To slowly see that damaged man speak to his mother, realize that it's ok to hurt and to fail, and to realize that for all his shortcomings, "[He's] still worthy." SO GOOD.
And then at the end he suits up with Mjolnir AND Stormbreaker looking like a freaking Viking? I'm sorry, TELL ME HOW THAT'S NOT EPIC?!
Also, can we appreciate that he didn't just get fit again at the end? He has started to heal emotionally, but his physical state shows there are still wounds, but that he has begun his path to restoration.
OK, I'll stop. I just love it so much.
@@user-jt1js5mr3f yeah I completely agree with you. Or not completely but I do think that fat thor is soooo good for his character. Gives him more depth he is shown as an actual person and not a “does thou wear thine drapes” looking ass. Thor ragnarok infinity war and endgame (and slightly age of ultron too) are the good and interesting version of thor in my opinion.
@@user-jt1js5mr3f the problem a lot of people have with thor in endgame is that his story doesnt get a satisfying ending, but i thought it was pretty obvious he wasnt supposed to have one, becuase its not over yet
@@tossboy2643 Which I can see, but that adds to the fact that people upset by that weren't paying attention.
Agreed, his story is not over yet and I am very happy about that.
I loved where we last saw him because he was beginning to heal, his future had hope again.
It’s also amazing that Infinity War was portrayed in Thanos’s point of view. It was his movie; his hero’s journey. In his mind, he’s the hero trying to save the universe while the Avengers are the villains trying to see to the universe’s ultimate destruction
How does this has no reply?
Dang I never thought of it that way
Damnnnn that’s deep
That’s very interesting,thank you.
That’s why I felt so emotionally invested and it even made me care and admire Gamora and Nebula far more. Because outside of explanation from the two guardian movies, we never really had a sort of sense of dread for these two until we learned and saw Thanos’s plans and motivations in Infinity War
I'm kinda disappointed that you showed the scene where Thanos beats the guardians, but not the part that actually surprised me about it. That Quill was actually willing to follow through on his promise to Gamora, despite it being the last thing he wanted to do. Sure it was irrelevant, as Thanos managed to succeed anyway, but I was genuinely shocked.
Man, when I saw that in the theatre, you could cut the tension with a knife. That scene is designed to counterbalance the humanization Thanos gets, and it WORKS SO GOOD. That whole scene is just him fucking with Quill's emotions, trying to break an opponent who already really can't fight back.
I don’t know why but when Thanos says “I like this one” after Quill shoots it hit’s me so hard.
@@ihavenoclueeither Probably because Quill was so willing to sacrifice for the greater good and would, despite all his hurt and emotions, kill Gamora for the safety of his family. Something an aspect he was given from his selfless mother, and not his egotistical father
@@ihavenoclueeither that’s because sacrificing Gamora for the greater good was top on the bucket list that day.
@@cloudshines812 EGOtistical ah i get it
12:45 "Can Ant-man help with that?"
He sure can
Kokodragostinov Dragostinov Thanos Anos
Haha true
Time travel
@@ZoobiethePopplio the theory in which Ant-man goes into the Thanos anus and expand.
No, but Regular Sized Man can
When Snoke dies he makes a face that makes him look like he finally took his first dump after 10 million years
He looks like tha dump doe 😳
This genuinely made me laugh 🤣
He do be making a dump doe😳
Well, when people die, their bowels tend to... well...yeah.
when you ate nothing but cheese for years and have to crap for the first time in a century
"Strange won't let Tony die"
Man that quote didn't age well...
Kaden Hensley that’s what “not ageing well” means.
@Kaden Hensley r/woooosh
@Kaden Hensley that's called not ageing well.
the world's most awesome variety channel Calm down.
@@TheAdvertisement no, he spoiled endgame for me
When Loki says to Thanos "You will never be a god" and Thanos smiles as he kills Loki, a god, will always give mw chills
puny god
The people next to me groaned when Rose “Saved” Finn
Well it probably wasn’t me but I certainly groaned when that happened. If that happened then I would probably like Finn, and maybe even the movie more.
You didn’t?
Yeah, I didn’t feel like anything was at stake since the sequels hadn’t sacrificed anything. So when I thought Finn would sacrifice himself and that they would let him die, it would get interesting. But he didn’t, instead they made the love interest stop him. And then they forgot her. Just to add another. They really ruined him, and just to clear I did like him in the first movie.
The people next to me flipped off the screen and left the theater
I'll be honest, I laughed.
Finn's character arc was at an end.
Rose was selfish and developed her character arc with it.
That subversion was funny to me. Because it felt naturally idiotic. Almost like a real mistake.
"Strange won't let Tony die"
well, *NOT YET*
*"It was the only way"*
Thank you "ralsei with a gun"
@@marianitamr3751" You lack imagination. "
@@yxlop4893 ????
@@marianitamr3751 Haven't watched Dr. Strange?
Mom: Don't worry, you're not gonna to disappear
Little Daughter:
Mom: **dissapears**
Mr Amarello oh god oh fuck
*OOF*
damn that's subversive
this is no place to die
Top10plottwists
"Rey's parents aren't special, they're nobody!"
*are you sure about that*
Yes, her parents are nobody’s it’s her grandparents that are powerful
@@zeusesparza1291 And the movie didnt even care to explore how palpatine got a woman pregnant and his fucking son grew up knowing who his father was and they trying to hide rey. no let us just put 30seconds of jumpcutted scenes into the movie to explain this shit
@Lucas Choi I wish Rey died and ben solo was the one to be the last Skywalker, it makes so much more sense.
@@JonnyBeetle i don't wanna see a palpatine sex scene tbh
Jonny Beetle Palpatine wasn’t even Rey’s grandfather. Her father was a non-evil clone, meaning that he is biologically her father.
The Avengers subverted expectations in a way that added to the plot, The Last Jedi subverted expectations in a way that took away from it.
Or didn't dare to go for it. If Rey and kylo worked together it would be a GOOD plottwist that could make it an interisting development. The only reason this didn't happen was because it would f*** up the universe and would be to special...
Goddmnt Disney
I was thinking that awhile back. Rey just lost everything and was fighting back tears. Her turn to the Dark Side would have been so fascinating to me. For all the "subverting expectations" and making the story unpredictable for excitement, it seems Rian thought that her change would have been too much for some reason.
@@Wowreference either her turning dark or kylo joining the jedis wouldve been a better ending than what it was
@@gentleshark972 They will not let Rey fails and join the darkside because They want Rey to be sTrONg FeMAle ChaRAcTeR
There's also Infinity War's setup for the typical "good guys win at the last second" with Thor and Stormbreaker... Only to subvert THAT too
Nah, I think anybody who know that Infinity War is a two part film know that the heroes would fail at the end.
@@wangwang9680 but it is not a 2 part film, the next one is not called infinty war part 2, it actually still has no name.
@@mifphilip Well, the movie was literally announced with the name "Avengers: Infinity War - Part 2". And although that is a placeholder name, everybody knew it will be Part 2, no matter its name.
TheGuyYouLoveToHate True, however many also believed that Infinity War would be a stalemate or just the first part of the battle with a few casualties. People predicted Spiderman, Loki, and Vision dying, but no one saw half the universe dying. No one predicted that.
Spencer Riggins But everybody gonna to return in Avengers 4... (at least main heroes and the other half of the universe)
And everyone can predict that...
The only stake we gonna have about this futur movie (and in mostly 10 years of this tv show in big screen) is to know if Steve or Tony gonna die
And for the record, the first 30 minutes of Endgame subverts audience expectations
the dude was just makin potatoes
Try the first 12 minutes
My boy Thanos just wanted to make some soup #justiceforthanos
Yes, that really threw me for a loop!
I used the expectations to subvert the expectations
I can't get over how that mom in the theatres had to reassure her daughter that she wouldn't disappear. That is when you know Marvel does a good job.
But can you imagine?
The mom is just like: "Don't worry, you're not gonna disapp-" then she just vanishes.
It was heartbreaking because while in Justice League, the entire universe was blown up and destroyed, Infinity War slowly and steadily killed people and the entire universe
I had to reassure my nephew, who was about 11 at the time, that all the characters who died will be back in the next movie.
That would be so fucking traumatizing
You should have seen my dad! One second he was their, next second, Thanos snap
go watch The Leftovers
12:00 i still love how Thanos reacts to that attack.
"Ah! Oh wait it's just butterflies..."
Oh mygod I didnt notice that thats lowkey hilarious.
You’ve watched the Cinema Wins video for Infinity War haven’t you? If not, cool I thought that too!
Levi Warner cinemawins is the only version I’ll watch anymore lol
@@pokaay3163 Allow me to introduce you to Th3Birdman.
@@real_abender honest trailers are cool too
SW7: Snoke is the new evil ultimate sith...
SW8: Snoke dies.
SW9: Cyborg Snoke VS Future Trunks
SW9: THE SHEEVSTER IS BACK BAYBEE!
Close instead Emperor is back to life
@@loreaver3882 I already made that exact comment but better, dummy
SW7: Highly experienced Elite First Order Stormtrooper who was hyped up before the films release gets defeated without a fight, sells out to her allies, and gets put in a trash compactor.
SW8: Master of the Dark Side (who had witnessed the fall of the Republic from the shadows, with Sidious not knowing anything about him until right before dying at Endor) who was hyped up before the films release dies without a fight, in a way that other characters such as Darth Maul survived.
SW9: The original master of the Dark Side (who, thanks to continuity errors, created the previous character, fought Yoda to a stalemate (and, if the novel is to be believed, would've inevitably won if Yoda kept on fighting) and had the power of all the Sith) who was hyped up before the films release accidentally kills himself without a fight.
Notice a pattern?
SW58: Jotaro vs Snokio
That last shot of Steve saying "Oh god" is such a gut punch and it kind of mirrors that shot of avengers one where They're all standing around Tony after Hulk catches him. But instead of victory, they have been utterly defeated.
Lauren Carroll he is sad because he is a skrull and he knows half the skrulls are dead
Steve saying it was so powerful, because it's the moment he realised what had really happened. They didn't just lose a battle, they lost everything and countless innocents are dead. Billions of them from every inhabited planet. Numbers that we don't even have words for.
I'll be honest, I was too busy watching Banner in the not-hulkbuster to notice, lol
And because Steve is usually the most optimistic character there
Even more devastating because Cap's the guy who's never supposed to give up.
Looking back, Schaff subverted our expectations by actually talking a lot more about Last Jedi than Infinity War
and adding a retarded political talking point right at the end!
Like a dumbass.
the “Hello There” quote actually originally comes from A New Hope. The Revenge of the Sith version was meant to be a callback.
Lethal Edits
holy shit. you're right.
And that general grivious said hello there first
Chronologicly it‘s not and I remember saying it first in ROTS.
@@obi-wankenobi8393 so you don't remember trying to steal the hyperdrive in 2008 clone wars?
GamerJosh thats a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. I can’t remember everything.
Theres a very important lesson to be learned here, like when you subvert expectations to tell a good story you get a good movie. But when you subvert expectations for the sake of subverting expectations, you don't.
You kind of look like Thanos
I think Rian Johnson was simply lazy and didn't bother to educate himself on any backstore of the SW Universe and acted like it was all a blank slate. Didn't even try and coordinate with the previous movie.... Such a joke.
@NADS IQ Money != Quality
@NADS IQ Again, no.
*Hollywood* - The Last Jedi won 0 major awards.... (though it did win AARP's Best Film in the "Movies for Grownups" Category)
*Wall Street* - Wall Street cares more about profits than sales. They also care about trends which indicate where the *brand* will go in the future. The brand is more than just movies and a lot more money is typically gained in those channels. (e.g. merchandise)
Movie Sales
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In this case - The Force Awakens had a $2B in worldwide box office Revenue w/ a movie cost of ~$260M (excludes marketing, etc., etc.) Gross Profit = $1.74B / ~760% return.
The Last Jedi - $1.3B / ~$262M = $1.038B / ~400% return
While it still made money, there is a significant drop between the performance of the prior movie and this one. This is *NOT* something Wall Street would like.
Even worse is when you look at the numbers (so far) for Rise of Skywalker:
$724M worldwide & production cost of $275M ...
While it is still in theaters and could possibly catch up with TLJ, this is *not* something that Wall Street would like....
One very interesting data point, is the domestic (US) box office.
TFA - $936M
TLJ - $620M
TFA* -$361M
In fairness, the Original Trilogy also showed decline between the three movies, even though all are thought of as "good" movies; however, Wall Street wouldn't have approved of their performance either. (though the weakest original movie had a 14X profit)
Other (Merch)
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While harder to quantify with exact numbers, the Disney Annual Report does have "nuggets" speaking to SW Merch:
TFA - Strong sales
Rogue One - Less sales than TFA
TLJ - Significantly less than Rogue One
Again, not something Wall Street would be jumping up and down about.
@let us prey money gains do not equal quality. Just because a great movie was not well known does not mean it's bad
Infinity war: *subverts expectation wonderfully*
Endgame: BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE
@Pybro **cough** **cough** Black Widow
@Pybro True but it's still quite unexpected considering all the characters that could've died
AND IM NOT DONE YET
Endgame is trash and undid all the cool stuff IW had achieved
Neither subverted anything.
Both were pretty by the numbers.
Thanos: **is crying**
This dude: **plays 'Take On Me' in the background**
I'm glad someone else picked this up, I had to rewatch a few times to make sure I didn't have Deadpool 2 playing somewhere
Yeah I noticed that, so odd.
Yep
when i left the theater ugly sobbing, an adult near me was crying just as hard. THAT is how you make a heartbreaking ending. universal sadness.
first time I saw IW I was in such a state of shock, that I didn't know what to say to my friends for at least ten minutes. a week(?) later I went, this time alone, to watch it "emotionlessly", since I already knew what was going to happen... cried the entire effing movie.
When I saw IW on theater, I heard a child crying his eyes out during the credits. That was great.
Endgame broke me.
@@DrZuluGaming did you just say that you liked a kid crying
The family in front of us was sobbing during the Spiderman scene (you all know which one I'm talking about). I had not seen a single spiderman movie up to that point so I didnt feel the impact as much. But now that I have... dang that would have hit HARD.
You don’t know who wins half the time.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
"Don't worry, you're not going to disappear."
*JESUS CHRIST*
IHJTMQ that one gave me chills. Imagine being a little child again, easily frightened by movie villains, thinking their actions are real.
UNLESS OU DONT EAT YOUR GREENS
There were kids that cried in our theatre. It's true what he said. I knew/know what was/is going to happen, but I genuinely want to know how it's going to happen.
I'm a grown man and shed a tear at the spooderman scene.
@@makudonarudokairu HE WAS JUST A DAMN KID. ALL OF THE PAIN.
3:25
“Hey! I saved your life!”
“You didn’t save my life, you ruined my death!”
I don’t think I can ever describe this scene using my own words, I can only use this quote.
C J, perfect way to describe and it’s a reference to the greatest animated movie ever so it’s even more perfect now
Is that a death korps of krieg quote?
@@ASuspiciouslyCommunistToaster It's a reference to The Incredibles.
ruclips.net/video/J4J-Fuo0vLE/видео.html at 0:25
@@ASuspiciouslyCommunistToasterit’s a quote from the incredibles
11:59 "You just gave the fans a satisfying movie that tells a shockingly coherent story, delivers comedy at the right moments without messing with the overall dire tone, and ends in a way that leaves the audience floored and wanting more. [Infinity War] is everything The Last Jedi *didn't have the balls to be.* "
From a die hard Star Wars fan, and someone who is NOT a Marvel fan, *1000% Agreed.*
Yep. I know this sounds a bit stupid, but I've chosen to simply immortalize (as a prequel LOVER, sorry, I know, but I do) the prequels and originals as true Star Wars. As soon as Lucas was removed, it wan't real for me.
I was born in 2002. The originals will always be the best in my opinion, Return of The Jedi has always been my favourite since I was a small child. Prequels were needed to build up that story and honestly I don’t get why so many people hate them. Revenge of The Sixth has the best fight scene out of all of the Star Wars movies and it brilliantly portrays the divide between light and dark. But these new Star Wars movies are complete trash. I came out of Last Jedi and thought “well I’m never watching that again” - I don’t care what anyone says. I’m a big Star Wars fan but you would be lying if you said it was a perfect film. Rogue One is my favourite out of the new Star Wars movies as it fits perfectly between 3 and 4. Solo wasn’t bad. That’s my rant over, bye.
Katherine E. Marvel is great and you should give them a shot!
The Prequels, the OT and the Expanded Universe are where Star Wars lives on.
It would've been cool if Rey and Kylo both sort of put an end to the Jedi and Sith (let's face it, both factions are fucking ticking time bombs) but remained enemies, bringing an end to a previous age while bringing about a new one. But no, we gotta keep the cycle going.
Can we all just agree Thanos is an amazing villain?
Yes, yes we can
Why not doulbe everything. 😭
Even with all the memes surrounding him, he is still one of the best movie villains of the decade.
One of the best
I agree
Jesus Christ... Palpatine's "Do it" edited in when Quill was about to kill Gamora got a hearty, hearty chuckle from me. Genuinely snort laughed. New sub, great video mate.
Define kill
I did not connect with Gamora and Thano''s relationship... it just felt forced.
every time I hear that "do it" line, I just think of when the Game grumps we're joking about it like crazy
it was a great point he made there. i never thought quill would pull the trigger. you could see the expression of pure agony on his face when he did too. in this moment he wasnt much different from thanos, who ended up sacrificing a loved one for what he perceived as the greater good. the same reason why thanos said he likes quill, after he pulled the trigger.
@@Stone7C1 Watching Infinity War, you really get the sense that Thanos actually respects the Avengers ("I hope they remember you, Stark") and some of the Guardians too. This is something that was missing from most Marvel villains, even the better ones like Killmonger or Hela. The only other Marvel villain who seemed to respect his/her adversary was Vulture.
Didn't even mention how Thor was set up on his hero's journey that would end with him defeating the villain. While Thanos was seemingly on his villain's mission, but it was ultimately HIS hero's journey. He was the main character. It was his story. And that's why him winning in the end was subversive. I went in thinking "okay, it's a two parter, Thanos will get like 3-4 stones and we'll see the Avengers take a final stand in part 2 to keep him from getting them all"
My fucking face when he had 4 like halfway through the movie. He really did it. Civil war is the reason why, because the avengers were torn apart, but I liked what you said about how they were unwilling to make the sacrifices as well. But I think that makes it more subversive because the ending of Civil War made it seem like "yea we fought but we'll be pals soon"
And then it really took until an hour or so into Endgame for them to be on a friendly level with each other again (Cap and Tony that is). Crazy stuff. Excellent story telling.
"What planet are you on?" is actually a logical question to ask in Star Wars. "Hey Mom, can you come pick me up?" "Sure, what planet are you on?"
"I'm on, you know that desert one", "Which desert one?"
Victor Shockley the one with sand
Double A Remember, the one that’s hot?
@@spark1400 Anakin: *Screams with utmost terror*
@@yiayfanaphmaufanpopularmmo5035 Can you at least tell me what part of the Galaxy you’re in?
So, I wish the writers of Game of Thrones had watched this video....
Fucking same here
They probably did. They just didn't care enough to apply it
@@Author_SoftwareDesigner Hell yeah! They making the next Star Wars!! D&D making the next Star Wars... let that sink...
yikes
@@j.westbestoftherest9102 Let it sink? You mean like what the Star Wars franchise is doing?
"Don't worry, you won't disappear."
Why did that scare me so much?
If Disney let all the people working at marvel do a Star Wars movie it’d be easily the one of the best in the saga.
We want Rian's Trilogy
@João Piza Rian Johnson
it probaly would be good but Marvel has a format that only really works well with superheroes and Marvel. Don't get me wrong im a huge fan of Marvel but they arent the people to do Star Wars movies. BUT if a Marvel director and Star Wars director work together it could work very well i mean everyones seen Mando right! That was made by the director of The Clone Wars and the director of Iron Man
@@judasbooth5455 the guy who made the last Jedi?
@@judasbooth5455 no one wants that exept you
And now we have Endgame leaving every person, who possesses just ounce of humanity, as an emotional wreck.
Tobito TV I was crying afterwards, I was crying with happiness during the final battle
Eh. While Endgame was very good, I definitely think Infinity War is the better movie.
I love u all 3000!!!❤
@@jeffmorris5802 The battle for Wakanda was meh, but the ending and the battle where thanos trew a moon were amazing.
They're both great movies, a good ending of a great series.
I think Endgame was fantastic as a story -- I mean what a way to end what was essentially the first 'phase' of the MCU, and the callbacks to previous movies were fantastic -- but as a movie, Infinity War was better. Endgame basically ignored a lot of character development (mostly Steve's) and there were some rather problematic aspects, like the pandering Girl Power scene or Thor's depression being used as a joke. Plus, plot holes. They seriously had no clue how their time travel worked. Endgame could have been a lot better than it was in terms of the way it dealt with its characters, but it was still really good. Both of them had incredible fight scenes though, I literally got chills.
So yea, this was basically a long-winded way of saying I pretty much agree with you. Sorry for the long paragraph, Marvel is probably my favourite franchise and I have a lot of feelings about it :P
Also for some reason even though the last Jedi and infinity war have the same runtime, I felt as if the last Jedi was twice as long
It seems longer because all that thing with Finn and Rose leaving the group was totally unnecessary for the plot .. and it lasted so long. In Infinity war every single group that separates has the real reason to do so.. even if they fail.
Bullshit slows down time. And the Last Jedi is overflowing.
@Zev Benjamin I'm pretty sure that law is not the case here. If it would be, time would flow backwards as you watch TLJ.
I feel it's because Infinity War had incredible pacing and each scene was good. It rarely has downtime. On my first viewing of Infinity War, I never felt bored with the scenes; it just kept delivering more and more. Honestly, when it ended it felt like very little time had passed, even when watching through the credits.
I realised TLJ was a failure when it made me do something no other star wars film has ever done. Check my watch to see how long was left.
Last Jedi plot twist
Snoke: You should’ve gone for the head
i love this
Snoke's death was just stupid he's made out to be all powerful and he can't see that stupid trick coming?
Wouldn't be the first time someone survived being cut in half. He didn't even fall into a bottomless chasm.
TheMrStoo oh my gosh, you’re right! The Solo movie showed that Maul survived and he’s (presumably) not as strong with the Force as Snoke is! That could mean the Snoke could actually make a comeback!
@@rmcgowa1987 He could be an Emporer's voice...but will Disney/Lucasfilm go that route...starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Voice_(Sith_Empire).
12:45 “could antman possibly help”
No one gonna talk about that solid prediction
'This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause' is an amazing quote. There aren't any amazing quotes in TLJ.
TheTrekkieGamer129 it was meh.
@@sebastienmccarthy1483 ngl I'm kind of sick of people bashing the prequels, but I thought that quote was VERY suiting of the situation
Rybread103 That’s fine. I thought it was a bit on the nose. I don’t like the prequels all that much and I gave them a chance recently. Revenge of the Sith was definitely the best of the three. I feel like with a proper screenwriter, it could’ve been amazing. The execution just left a bad taste in my mouth
@@sebastienmccarthy1483 Oh trust me, I know the Prequels overall weren't as good as the OT, but still, they're not THAT bad tbh, also, there are certain elements that people called plot holes created by the prequels when in reality if you delve a little bit further, there's not that many plot holes at all
At least we have 'Hello there.'
I actually liked the "this is how liberty dies" quote. I thought it was very relevant to history and modern society, and one of the better lines in the film.
Anakin's speech on sand, on the other hand...
was totally justified and created a good meme
Obi-Wan: It’s over Sandakin, I have the water bucket
Well he was a Hormoned Adult and not knowing how to flirt ... so i guess he didn’t know public relations
I don't like sand... It's coarse and rough and irritating
And it gets everywhere
Boxghost102 welcome to 2020.
Kirby: did you make a new story mode
Sakurai: yes
Kirby: what did it cost
Sakurai: everyone
Golden Magikarp5 I saw that on Another video
The hyper space ramming thing doesn't make sense in the star wars universe. Because hyperspace isn't just going really fast. It basically a worm hole to go to another side of the universe. And if it was so effective in killing things why didn't people fight like this before? It just makes no sense.
While yes, there's a lot of lore about having to avoid objects when going into hyperspace, like stars or you'd get burned up, and interdictor ships can use gravitational fields to pull ships out of hyperspace due to safety mechanisms built into them. Would it have worked? Arguable at best. But it's at least plausible, that plus ships ships shields are only shown to work on objects traveling slower than lightspeed in tfa.
@@mychajlomiller3688 not really I countered most of that in my first comment. Like if it would've worked why don't we see anyone do it before?
@@PickleBeanBoss well I'm not saying it would have, but they did play it off as a desperate last move that probably wouldn't work. 1/1000000 I think is what was said in the movie. Those ain't great odds, and you could probably destroy the ship even if it didn't work, that'd be my argument for why it's not used before, and honestly, I'd guess it only worked because of the sheer size of snokes ship and also the fact that Holdos wasn't a small ship either. I think that they just got lucky.
@@mychajlomiller3688 yeah but lucky isn't the same as impossible. She wouldn't have been able to go through. I don't think it would be plausible in that universe
That 1/1.000.000 chance was a retcon
12:43
“How is Thanos gonna fight with his busted up gauntlet?”
spoiler alert:
*he won’t*
Well he can still fight he is inevitable
And I loved that. That guy just had reached everything he wanted to and did what he said he would do: retire :)
And that's subverting expectation done well
Thanos: I won its over
Thor: Haha axe go chop
He is stronger without the gauntlet
It seems like they had Thanos ditch the helmet early so it would be easier for the audience to read his expressions.
I figured it was to make it seem like getting the rest of the stones would be an easy task for him, and he no longer felt he needed armor
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you could still tell tbh. the first half of the intro he was emoting, all intimidating and shit.
though the whole "he's the most powerful being in the universe now so he doesnt NEED armor" schtick still kinda makes sense
I think they also got rid of his armor because that way he is more relatable.
I mean, with the armor he looks very intimidating and shit, it would be kind of hard to see him as a "real person" and he would look more like a "villain"
Also it shows he thinks this will be Easy.
He had most likely thought that his massive battles (power stone on Xandar and the space stone with the Asguardians) were done, as he assumed his children would be able to get the rest
Once infinity war came out, Last Jedi didn't feel too good.
Once the Last Jedi came out it didn't feel so good.
they were both shit
some guy No
Either way, Disney wins
“and Strange won’t let Tony die”
Another great subverted expectation
Orchestral version of “Take On Me” distracted me & I missed the middle part of what you said
A pretty sad cover, but very fitting for this video.
I liked the track
Take me on
I had to do a double-take when it started. It made me lose my shit
Nah its The ending song of bojack horseman
IM NOT JOKING
Thanos was a villain where I actually was a bit sad when he died.
Because he's interesting and has a great backstory.
thought I was the only one... he deserved to win just as muchu as the Avengers & co did, making both Endgame and IW soooo fucking good.
I was actually kinda hapyy seeign him not fade awawy, but then it happened.... I also loved the way he wasn't screaming around or so when he lost, he accepted his fait and watched with sadness, sitting down, knowing he'll dust away and that was it....
It's so well done, I can't belive it
I agree to an extent, except that I felt he got watered down by the end.
I felt sad when Thanos died at the beginning of Endgame, but when he died again at the end, I didn’t feel bad, because he had become a much more generic “I will destroy the world and reshape it in my image” sort of villain.
@@mr.cup6yearsago211 My feelings exactly.
Mr. Cup I don’t know, that expression that Thanos gave when his ship was destroyed at the end made me feel some sympathy
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause" is one of my top 5 lines in all of cinema
What are the other 4?
@@rutessian The rest are all Gandalf quotes lol
@@tonyt3638 I can tell you are a man of culture.
@@tonyt3638 as it should be. Gandalf is the best!
I actually quite like that line as well.
"Rey's Parents aren't special, they're nobody."
Man, they really retconned that hard in Rise of Skywalker
child-gamorra: did you do it?
thanos: yes
child-gamorra: what did it cost?
thanos: everything
pretty much sums up why thanos is a good villain, he is aware of what his victory has cost him but still felt that he had to do it
Personally I think this moment should be scripted just a bit differently to add more weight to it. Should have been...
Child-Gamorra: Did you do it?
Thanos: Yes
Child-Gamorra: Was it worth it?
Thanos: (Thanos is unable to look her in the eyes as sadness furrows his brow)
(Sunset scene: Thanos has to collect himself emotionally, for a moment, before smiling in his contentment.)
I also think they should have had another flashback scene of Gamorra interacting with Thanos as a child and actually having a real father daughter moment. A moment where she actually called him 'dad' for once. This coupled with the scene where he throws her off: If as she was falling she screamed the name "Dad" then showing how much it wounds Thanos in that moment to be really reminded that she was truly his daughter, even in her mind.
Thanos is, in my opinion, one of the most compelling villians Ive ever watched in a movie. I just loved his character and writing so much. Most movies are about their hero. Infinity War was all about it's villian
doesn't kylo ren also aware what his victory costs which is why he kill snoke
@@nnn4376
Definitely. The fact that so many heroes were involved in Infinity War somewhat adds to that, too, as there isn't really a "central hero" or hero protagonist. If anything, one could say that Thanos was the main character, in a way.
Kill monger is similar, his motivations are totally understandable, and cause you to question the goodness of Wakanda. Marvel has been doing well with villains
I had to replay the "DEWIT" at 10:00 like 6 times just to make sure I heard it right.
Genuinely laughed out loud lmao
Hey that was me. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
It's not the jedi way.
@@Radiosilenced Kill him now
I shouldn't.
@@Radiosilenced Dew IT
I completly agree with the subversion of epectations in infinity war
in the theater when people started cornflaking at the end of the movie a kid next to me said "I hope spiderman doesn't die" to which I thought "Naw spiderman made to much money he ain't gonna die"
Then "Mr Stark, I don't feel so good"
Infinity War didn’t “subvert” shit. Everything that people predicted happened, dumbass.
@@Dragonage2ftw Damn, I can smell the salt of your comment over here in germany xD
@@Dragonage2ftw Subversion is about straying from the orthodox plots, not about predictability. The archetypal hero story is one in which the hero first fails, then goes through some transformation (usually through sacrifice of some sort, or dedication to training) and then is able to win. It tells us that through sacrifice and dedication we can become better versions of ourselves. You see this is just about every single story with a hero theme, be it modern films or ancient myths. Infinity War subverted this by having the antagonist go through this instead of the hero. It is subversion, whether you could predict it or not isn't relevant.
I thought that too and then I was hugging my 12-year-old as Peter dusted away, and I was like, "No! Not the baby!" My kid was, "Oh my god mom, really?"
@@Dragonage2ftw yeah, iron man and captain America died in infinity war, didn't they?
So all in all:
Disney makes amazing movies, but Disney movies suck
well yes, but actually yes
Well no, but actually no
well no, but actually yes
Yes'nt
Whom’st’ve
The thing that subverted my expectations was the fact that Star Lord was willing to kill Gamora there has been so many movies where one love interest swears to kill the other but then doesn’t because ThEy LoVe ThEm ToO MuCh even if it’s the best thing for the the most people.
You're right, Quill pulling the trigger shocked me a ton
He took like a minute... if thanos was serious he’d kill him 10 seconds after not doing it
@@fishfish2128 Thanos doesn't bother killing individuals because he's not evil. Unless someone is hindering him from accomplishing his goal he'll deal with them (see: Gamora), otherwise it means nothing.,
@@Bantimus thank you
Fishfish212 on the contrary, Thanos gave him respect for that! Thanos was prepared to make sure Gamora doesn’t die but he wanted to show her that she can’t trust anyone, a weakling who promised her something, but then Quill pulled the trigger and he kept his promise, whatever the cost!
Infinity Wars was perfection. Endgame just made me cry for 10 minutes and almost cut off the circulation of my friend’s arm.
Why?
@@AlanJia8 Tony died
@@AlanJia8 he loved her 3000
@@plutossky7534 But why the circulation part?
@@AlanJia8 Tony died
It's sad that we consider a humanized main villain to be subversive in this day and age. It should be the norm. No one in the universe thinks they are evil. Everyone who does evil things thinks they are doing the right thing at the time. Weather they are wrong or not is where the conflict should lie.
The level of humanisation of an antagonist depends on what kind of story you're telling.
I disagree. An antagonist you can relate to makes the antagonist grounded and realistic, and will always result in a better story.
Well I’d argue that’s not always true. Some killers know what they did was wrong but did it despite that because it served their own interests and desires. I’m not saying most villains shouldn’t have more depth but some people are simply bad people.
+Eric Adkins Sorry for jumping in on this discussion but I'm kind of curious what you would classify as "insane". I mean, do you mean full-blown psychosis or just anything that deviates from "normal human behaviour" down to things like compulsive lying? For example, forget murder for the moment. Crimes like rape or torture - in other words, crimes that are committed for no reason and serve no benefit to anyone except for the pain of the victim and brief power for the perpetrator - would you say people have to be insane to commit these sorts of crimes or do you think they see some benefit in it beyond just inflicting pain on someone else?
For my money, I've long held the belief that the "villain with explainable motives" IS the norm to the point where it's actually starting to become a shackle rather than a tool. Nowadays, it seems every villain has to seem sympathetic to a degree, every villain has to have a sad backstory or a backstory which shows he has reasons to "blame" the heroes, or deep-rooted family issues or something to "explain away the bad". I have nothing against complex villains at all, but I don't think the "people are never just evil" mindset is strictly true. Whether we like it or not, there are people out there who revel in causing pain for its own sake and the truth is you don't even have to look very far to find them. One of the examples I often give in these discussions is Iago in Othello who offers no less than five separate motivations to the audience for his actions, each more nonsensical than the last and straight-up refuses to provide a definitive answer when confronted at the end of the play. He is the definition of a "motiveless" villain and is often hailed as one of the greatest villains in western literature as well as one of the most interesting, in no small part because of the mystery of exactly why he did what he did. Villains with explicable (and occasionally understandable) motives have their place, yes, just as tragic villains, fallen heroes, and straight-up Freudian messes do, but above anything else the type of villain needs to work with the scope of the story being told. A personal conflict between hero and villain needs a personal connection, whereas I'd be perfectly fine not knowing exactly why someone wants to destroy 50% of all life in the universe because at that point, on that scale, it becomes unnecessary. One can easily come up with hundreds of motivations on one's own if they want to but it's not a question that desperately needs a solid answer.
Whoa, that got long. Sorry about that...
Overly Dramatic Panda
I would say that these people who enjoy causing harm for harm's sake are insane. Sadists are often irrational, and many suffer from psychosis or schizophrenia. I'm not saying excuse them. And I'm pretty sure they have rational reasons for doing what they do. They aren't bad in thier eyes. That's the only argument I'm making. That villains should never see themselves as the bad guy, and should have clear goals and motivations, to keep it realistic and relatable. That results in a better story 100% of the time. Iago was written by a master storyteller, and he could write lazily and still shit gold. If Iago had clear motivations and was relatable, I'm sure the story would be better. But he didn't have to for the Bard to make him a good character.
I see where you're coming from, but weather they see it as a "necessary evil, actually think they're helping someone, or are just insane, people never see themselves as the bad guy.
“Can Antman help with that?”
Boy if only he knew
I let out an “oh come on” when Finn was saved by Rose
PRETZEL DAY I think I did too
And now people are trying to cut in line
I think you mean he was "foiled" by Rose. :D
@@shorewall Foiled? Why the hell do people want Finn to die so bad?
On top of this, it would have physically been impossible for Rose to catch up with Finn. Even she could catch up, it would have been even impossible for her to slam into Finn at the 90 degree angle that it was.
“We don’t trade lives”
*Avengers 5: Trading lives*
What about Wakanda and their people?
If Rian Johnson really wanted to subvert expectations, all he had to do was have Rey and Kylo team up after killing Snoke. Rey had no attachments to the Resistance other than just being a light side character. End the movie with Leia then using the map from the first movie to meet up with Luke Skywalker herself to tell him that he is now their only hope, but instead he gives her his lightsaber to say, "No. We are." Commence credits.
Chills.
Bro that is so dope.
i wanted that SO BADLY to happen. I actually WANTED Rey to go dark, she's already shown a lot of anger issues
This would be much better than what we got.
The themes of Rey turning to the dark side is suggested because she is untrained in the ways of the force. There is no reason she should understand how to resist it. Being wronged her entire life should be enough fuel for her to go on a power trip when given the opportunity. Instead, we got what we got just because she has to be a likable character or something?
Episode VII suggested that Kylo is pulled toward the light side and is not completely fallen. He should be redeemed in Episode IX and Rey being unredeemable in the eventual conclusion. There is so much you can do with it.
My guess is that Colin Trevorrow wanted something like this set up for Episode IX, but he was dealt such a bad hand for the last movie that he wanted no part of it.
Guys are you realizing that:
Infinity War was good
The last Jedi was bad
Take these two together and you get, a perfectly balanced movie.
Obi-Wan Kenobi why am i the only reply here
lol
Thanos (The New Sith Lord) - Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
But both of them lack the appropriate levels of High Ground so they would still suck
Hello therev
If Ryan Johnson directed Infinity War....... Thanos dies midway thru the movie, the infinity stones do nothing when collected, cap americas a hermit who tried to kill hawkeye, black widow becomes the leader of the team and goes after new evil/good hawkeye.... black panther quits fighting evil and fights only for animal rights and liberties. the main avengers die to hawkeye and are replaced with the teen titans ... are your expectations not subverted?
not a bad analogy
Do one If marvel wrote the last Jedi
@@_Bakers_dozen_-ee8yf I agree
I think I see why Rian Johnson did what he did then. I would see this movie for no other reason than I wouldn't believe it existed otherwise.
If Marvel wrote The Last Jedi.....Snokes identity is revealed to be an outcast of the old Jedi order who’s been watching the story unfold from afar. After the fall of the empire the people were left lawless without leadership. As one of the last two force users, Snoke felt obligated to come out of exile and restore order. His justified fear was Luke restoring the Jedi order of old and history repeating itself…Snoke feels great power in young Kylo and thru the force he shows the flaws of the Jedi, how they were easily corrupted by the senate , overtaken by the empire, exiled for love. Young Kylo, feels neglected by Luke and appreciated by Snoke and joins him.
Luke has been on the island training in the ways of the force with the aid of old ghost jedi masters Yoda and Obi Wan. His force abilities are well beyond the powers expected of the jedi..But yet he feels he is outmatched by Snoke… He warmly embraces the lightsaber Rey gives him and tells her He’s Been waiting for her... He takes Rey as his apprentice for the final battle to come… Rey is fascinated by Luke, his incredible power but more from his wisdom.
Kylo and Rey connect using the force and spend time together by their own powers in secret. They feel their strongest when they are together and share a mysterious magnet like connection.
The two inevitably fall in love and the outcome of the pairing is a phenomenon the universe has never felt before. The combination of Dark and Light, Sith and Jedi, Hate and Love sends shockwaves through the galaxy. Snoke and Luke both feel chills from this great disturbance in the force….. To be Continued…
Hey, you subverted my expectations as well.
I came in here expecting a Tamatoa joke and got none.
Nice; keeping them just occuring enough to be a running gag but not frequent enough to be annoying.
I think if Infinity War had the production value and CGI but came out before the age of the internet, the ending would’ve been a lot more powerful. People wouldn’t know for a fact that there would be a sequel or more movies for characters that are dead, they would genuinely believe that the ending would lead to permanent deaths for half the cast.
Oh most certainly. Someone on the production crew for the sequel would probably leak that they're making one but unless it was outright confirmed a lot of people would probably think it was a rumor. Damn, now I kind of wish I was sheltered from knowing a sequel was ever being made.
Exactly because how are you supposed to do spiderman far from home without spiderman or gotg 3 with only rocket
Yeah, nowadays nothing is a secret :/
Loki for Life
I suppose technically those movies could take place before Infinity War, like Ant Man and the Wasp & Captain Marvel.
The best comparison I can draw to that is when Spock died in the Wrath of Khan. They bring him back in the next movie but at the time that must've been the biggest shock imaginable.
12:47 "Will Captain Marvel help with that?"
Immediately goes to her punching an old lady.
OMG I'm dying! XD
Isn’t it funny how they’re both led by Disney and they’re this different in quality
The studios under the Disney umbrella work independently. Pixar and Marvel are definitely superior to Lucasfilm, and none of them have anything to do with the other.
It’s down to the Russo boys
Isn't it funny how you've been tricked over years into thinking that one of the largest organizations in USA can and does have a single consistent identity?
Otoskire actually it had more to do with Kevin Feige than anything else. He's been overlooking the Marvel films since way before the MCU started.
Passion over pay check.
Mom: Don't worry, you're not going to dissapear.
Daughter: :)
Mom: your dad is.
well played
Maverick
My smirk at your comment immediately dropped when I read the 3rd line (👌😂👌)
Daughter: $%*& yeah, I hate that drunk, abusive %(@^
*signing of divorce papers intensifies*
It’s actually cool to listen to the Russo brothers’ commentary for this movie because they point out that the only way they felt this movie would work as a cohesive story was to make it about Thanos and his “hero’s journey.” That’s why it’s subversive yet satisfying. Similarly, when they talk about Civil War and how the fact that the audience is introduced to this idea of there being more winter soldiers causing us to internally assume that Tony and Cap would have to come together to defeat them, yet that is not what happens and the movie actually leaves them even more fractured rather than trying to repair the damage that had already been done.
Oh yeah
Just amazing
This is a great comment, and a genius idea from the Russos. It makes me rethink the entire film with even MORE appreciation.
When I first saw Infinity War I had no idea it was meant to be a two parter. So when the ending came and everyone was dying my reaction was something along the lines of “wait, that’s it? That’s how it ends!?” It was at that point that I found out it was a two part movie.
What if Fin tried to recruit Phasma, what if his sacrifice was the push she needed, what if Rose was the traitor and that thief dude didn't exist.What if Kylo and Rey switched sides.What if Rian Johnson cared about Star Wars, or was intelligent enough to understand it.
My expectations were thoroughly subverted, I expected Star Wars.
@You tuber As a Star Wars movie, TLJ is terrible and even as a film, it’s got quite a few glaring flaws. The original comment was right, Rian cared more about his view rather than SW as a whole. Also, even tho OC is throwing out story ideas, they sound a lot better than the bland/awful “subversions” TLJ had.
Congratulations. This was the first video critiquing the Last Jedi that didn’t make my eyes roll out of my skull. You were fair, even-handed, had actual complaints related to character arcs, focused on its progressivism actually being half-baked and failing to meet its own standards, and competently showcased how its tone affected its narrative impact, and I can respect all of that. This is the first time I feel like I’ve watched an intelligent critic explain why they disliked the movie. Subscribed.
Nicholas Rodinos "The Mary Sue is the center of the universe, Rey is not that in the first or second movie."
What? The original Mary Sue, from which the trope was named after wasn't even the center of the universe, just the center of everything that is important due to angel-like values that completely twists how characters are supposed to react. As well as change the world around them works in general to their benefit. Rey has definitely done this much, so your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Pretty much no one is a Mary Sue in fiction if this is your gauge, which I suspect is the point.
Nicholas Rodinos Actually, that’s not what a Mary Sue is, only a symptom of it. A Mary Sue has no real flaws and is pretty much a like playing an RPG on easy with a cheat code maxing out all the stats. And unfortunately that describes Rey pretty well. She doesn’t have to train or learn anything to gain new skills. She just knows (or downloads, if you want to go with the most popular explanation for her knowing everything) everything already, contradicting everything that came before her. Despite being the protagonist she is a completely flat character. In short, she is kinda boring. Combine that with making a mockery of the only non-villain to have any character growth from the previous film and maybe you’ll start to understand why The Last Jedi just isn’t a very good movie.
I've seen plenty of great critiques of TLJ, though I can imagine their hard to watch for someone who enjoyed the film since most people won't stop shitting on it, but there's certainly a surplus of great videos pointing out what made TLJ such a flawed film
You could check out MauLer's critique of The Last Jedi.
UltimateKyuubiFox to be honest. You don't have to be intelligent to know this movie is bad.
Infinity War was great. You know why? Because when Tony was stabbed, the whole theater gasped. When Gamora died, the whole theater fell silent. When Peter (spidey) cried, so did the theater. When Thanos snapped, another collective gasp. We all knew it was coming, but it still caught us by surprise. A great movie resonates with its audience. When I saw The Last Jedi, the only scene that made any impact was the lightspeed scene and it only caused everyone to be silent. Not much of a reaction.
But, imso, the impact of Infinity War is kinda being hampered, a lot, because of the damn sequels MCU will be putting out in the next few years.
@@kingartemiz2xxx786 I have to agree with you there. It kinda takes away from the sadness of the deaths.
The only downside of Infinity War is the final battle. It didn't need to be that long as we all knew Thanos would rewind time. Makes that battle feel bloated and over the top useless.
However the rest of the movie is pretty good. Gamora's death made me want to cry...that was the most brutal death in the entire film.
The lightspeed scene ruined Star Wars though, why not fly a ship into the death star 🤠
@@mish375 Gamora's death was so surprising to me and I honestly don't really know why, because I halfway expected it? In a way? I don't know how to explain it, but it was so heart-wrenching!
Best part is that he also doesn’t dislike all of them. He respects Starlord for going through with the promise and praises Tony for his honored fight.
I actually think that Padme "thunderous applause" line is dope af
It actually is. Since she's the only person in the Senate that seems to realize that they just sold all of their freedoms for a sense of security. Even though that security is coming from Space Voldemort. The only problem is that she should've realized this years ago.
I would prefer to call Voldemort "Wand-touting Vader", but hey.
elevate07
There actually was a cut scene in ROTS where Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, and some other senators were talking about Palpatine’s increasing power and how it was concerning to them.
And in the Clone Wars series, a few episodes were focused on trying to stop the emergency creation of more Clones, as they feared the purpose was sinister.
It's a good line, but it's delivered poorly. For a sarcastic line, you'd expect her to make more of an effort in pronouncing the "thunderous applause" bit of her line. It's more telling of George Lucas being a poor director with regards to dialogue than of Natalie Portman's acting skills though.
Infinity war: most emotional movie in the mcu
Endgame: hold my poptart
cheeseburger*
Peanut butter jelly sandwich***
shawarma*
I would say beer but I think Thor took it*
I think infinity war remains the most emotional.
But Endgame was still amazing and leaving that poptart was worth it.
Poor Snoke. Only half the character he could've been.
He was perfectly balanced, gotta admit
I wish they didn't cut his story so short. It feels half done.
Michael J. Caboose See what you did there!
You know they're gonna' bring the other half back in the next one.
Him and Maul should do a duet cover of the Nirvana song :)
The light speed scene in the last jedi was incredible illogical according to the other 2 trilogies. Light speed is going through a worm hole that means when you come out of it, it would've been the same as going lightspeed. Thus is also why whenever you see a ship come out of light speed, it immediately stops or is going much slower because they're not breaking to slow down, they're coming out of a different dimension. Pretty much the light speed scene in the last jedi is complete trash.
You: The Last Jedi
The guy she doesn't tell you about: Infinity War
Her dad: Avengers 1
I liked all 3 of these comments
*intelligent memes for intelligent people
@@thehulk588 and this was said by The Hulk
Her ex: the Christmas special
“Don’t worry, you’re not going to disappear”
*Jesus Christ*
ArtandJunk got to admit that was pretty dark in a way
I mean, imagine going to cinema, with all the movies behind this where heroes always win and they outright fail.
To be fair kids are pretty fucking stupid. They'll believe most shit you tell them if they're naive enough and you tell them with a straight enough face. Honestly don't feel like bringing that fact up does anything for his point other than showing how dumb kids can be
juan241996 there was once a time you were the same way.
Mother- Don’t worry we’re not going to disappear
Daughter- Mommy
Mother- Yes, sweetie?
Daughter- I don’t feel so good...
Mom- I'm sorry, kid... It was the only way... *disappears*
Other Moviegoers- What's going on
Random Moviegoer- I think we just lost
Alien Overlord- Don't worry little one that won't happen to us
Alien Overlord's Daughter- But I'm not feeling so good...
Stop you're making me sad wtf
_oh, _*_noooo_*
MY HEART
XD
Watching this video nowadays and seeing schaff talk about how he doesn't want to talk about the last jedi anymore knowing that he later does a 38 minute video about it is so funny
I cant believe the last jedi stole the light speed through a ship thing from subspace emissary
It also ruins any future space battles
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
Nice Brawl reference
Nop. They stole it from the Green Lantern animated series.
Yet another scene that was lazily written.
*screams at brick wall*
"Shiny"
*Brick wall immediately falls down*
*only to show another brick wall.*
well that subverted my expectations
5.....4.....3....2.....1......wait.......BOOM!!!!
You mean: Not BOOM!!!
Hello.......it is me you're looking for? I can see it in your soul that you don't want me here.... But fuck it I'm here anyways.
Infinity War being the Empire of this generation is a brilliant way of putting it that I wish I thought of myself.
Wasn't Empire hated at first
Don't see a reason to disagree.
Newborn delivery No, Rian Johnson just said that b/c everyone kept giving TLJ shit. People were seeing the movie over and over again and RotJ even did better at the box office than empire, because everyone was so hyped after it
@@ShamrockShows oh ok. Thanks
@@NewStorkProductions Nah it just sold slightly less. My dad saw Episode 4 and thought that was it of the star wars series. He didnt even know there was an ESB until ROTJ came out. Marketing back then is different now. It was critically acclaimed back then. Believe it got an Oscar as well.
the mother telling her daughter not to worry SENT ME I LAUGHED SO HARD
When I went to go see Infinity War, it was about a week after its release (I generally do this just in case a movie turns out to be a complete dumpster fire and I don’t waste money). Immediately, when the movie was being memed to death, I knew I didn’t even need to see a review to know it was going to be good. I invited my girlfriend to see the movie, at first she declined as she didn’t like neither Star Wars nor any super hero movie, but after some explaining, she agreed to see it. She has never seen any marvel movie or knows about any of the characters, but she squeezed my arm throughout the majority of the really tense moments, and after watching it, she wanted to see the rest of the marvel movies and the next avengers movie. If I took her to see the last Jedi, she wouldn’t be interested in even seeing any other Star Wars movie. If a movie franchise can’t do this, then there is a major problem.
That's great! I hope she enjoys them all.
CactusSD show her OG Starwars
seeing Infinity War before seeing any other Marvel movie. YIKES
"I don't feel so good" actually got me to tear up, even though memes had already confirmed this occurring. Movies don't make me tear up often.
Yep....
I agree, I legit shed a tear in the theatre. I was able to avoid spoilers pretty well this time around but wow that scene just messed me up lol
See the thing is I didn’t expect the memes to be every single death, and I didn’t realize they were turning into dust so I assumed the memes were just about one specific death? So the whole movie I was waiting for someone to “triangle away” and when they started turning to dust it hit me
Not even titanic
That wasn't scripted. Holland was supposed to stop after "I don't feel so good" but he kept on going.
10:00 Thanos: Do it
Palpatine: Dew it
I knew someone would do that
9:24 💀 you are a master editor i swear to god
"Can Ant-Man help with that?"
He sure can, buddy.
"Can Captain Marvel help with that?"
She sure can't, buddy.
lol
pretty bullshit how she was built up to be a big part in endgame and she was barely a part of it lol
She ex-machinas a ship from killing everyone then gets punched out of the movie
I think she was a rather important part of Endgame. Without her and Thanos fight Tony would have never thought about taking out the infinity stones.
I think people are too mean to Captain Marvel and I don't see why she gets all the hate.
Yeet the beat out you apparently have no idea what deus ex machina means.
“And don’t use the light speed ram that cheating.”
That’s accurate.
It is accurate unless you want to watch the original trilogy and question every action they take in space battles. Eg: the death star battle. Just fly a single cruiser into it at light speed if this is how light speed works now.
Phantom The Rat *hyperspace
Phantom The Rat Hyperspace is a lot faster than light speed.
Converge then my point is given even more backing. That scene makes every space battle in Star Wars seem pointless because they could all just last a few minutes with everyone crashing ships into each other.
Phantom The Rat Ik, I agree with you wholeheartedly but I wanted an “um, actually...” moment.
“This movie is everything that The Last Jedi didn’t have the balls to be.” Perfectly stated as all things should be.
How? Infinity War wasn't THAT brave.
Define "brave"
@@massineben7198 We pretty much knew the heroes would fail and Thanos would win and the next film would deal how to reverse things.
The story about the mother assuring her daughter she wouldn’t disappear genuinely moved me to tears
1: I think that when people look back they will admit that infinite war was better than endgame. Endgame was way “cooler” but infinity war is way more cinematically shocking.
2: they did Luke wrong. They did him so wrong. They went so far against his character.
I tend to agree. Endgame is still like a 9/10 for me, but Infinity War may well be a perfect movie. There's almost nothing there to criticize.
"I told Brian that I fundamentally disagree with your view on this character (Luke)" - Mark Hamill
Jeff Morris
Nah, there literally are no perfect movies because there are too many variables at play, as Schaffrillas has said. You should watch a full, detailed, review/analysis of Infinity War. It has quite a few plot holes. That being said, I still prefer Infinity War over Endgame.
I-Deni-I TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie. They just made Luke an asshole who gets domed by someone who has used a light saber for 3 minutes
I-Deni-I I have to disagree with everything you just said.
The Last Jedi subverted our expectations by being bad
Infinity War subverted our expectations by being good
EDIT: stop being toxic and writing stupid, half-arsed replies about CGI PLEASE. It's driving me mad. CGI is not evil and it's not the holy grail either, it's a filmmaking tool like everything else, stop getting so nasty about it!
no we all expected that infinity war will be good
Soviet Russia but not THIS goddamn good
Soviet Russia I expected it to suck like other Marvel movies. But my expectations were subverted, it is quite good, and comparing to other Marvels and Disney Star Wars it is just brilliant and amazing.
@@Dulk9 what other marvel movies suck
@@bruhman530 I expected Infinity War to be good, not AMAZING
"Don't worry, you're not going to disappear"
That broke my heart. I almost got tears in my eyes if I even imagine having to tell my child that.
If I ever get kids
NOBODY should have to tell their kids that.
But I mean, that means that the movie was so impactful that it left an impact on the audience.
This may sound harsh, but if you make your audience question their own existence... you’re probably doing something right.
@@OwlyWood69 of course! That's why this movie succeed. It feels real.
Just keep hanging out around those schools, one day a stray one will come close enough to snatch. XD
I tell that to my sperm whenever I fucking fire a load into my missus in a glorious creampie