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The real question is... Why was Rian trusted with such a large movie, as he has only directed two or three? That’s not enough to have a ‘good’ track record, or much experience in quality storytelling.
It's good to see you are still around :) Great video, great essay, and bringing it to the point as usual. And I can only agree with your arguments. Really well done
ROTS: Anakin gets crippled by Obi-Wan George’s Version: “You were my brother Anakin!” Disney’s Version: “Looks like you’re half the man you were before”
The only time someone laughed during TLJ in my cinema was when Kylo was shirtless and a gay guy in the audience said aloud 'oooooooohhh' and everybody had a chuckle with him.
What idiots laugh at these “jokes” anyway? I’ve pirated all the new films (cause no money for Disney) and I haven’t laughed at any of the cheap quips they try to throw at me, I just cringe and get angry
jocaguz18 Not a good argument, toddlers don’t understand that much about movies to even get mad. But the other guy’s right. The comedy is cringy as shit. Doesn’t belong in a Star Wars movie.
Bathos shouldn't exist in Star Wars. There's really no space for it (no pun intended). It's like after Anakin kills the younglings a clone comes outta nowhere and is like, "oh well at least they aren't orphans anymore." And Thomas the train music come out as the scene ends.
Dale Whyte Not really, unless you have a sudden jumpsvare in a scene that previously didn't have any hint of horror (which, come to think of it, could actually be effective, if done well).
Not his lightsaber. His father's, something he lost in their initial duel as he learned what his father was, sith. A lightsaber given to him by his first master, obi wan.
Well his dad did kill children with that lightsaber.And presumedly the last time he held was in EST when got his hand cut off.That lightsaber is the visceral reminder of his father’s failure and his to balance the force.To be a great jedi to bring back a new jedi order.
One of my least favorite jokes played for laughs in The Last Jedi is Finn waking up. I remember seeing The Force Awakens and really wanted to know what would happen to Finn, where he would wake up, if he would panic about Rey not being there, him running off to find her. Nope, he just kind of wandered around the ship in a daze leaking water out of his suit for laughs.
@@chickensquad1865 Pretty much a healing tank. I'm not sure what exactly it does, but since this is pre disney star wars, I'm sure you'll fand a gigantic mass of infos, explainations and stories about it
Vader after defeating Luke in The Emperor Strikes Back: Vader: Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Lend me your hand, and we can destroy… Oh wait… Luke: lol
MCU comedy? Not aware of it. I've heard of comedy with bad execution. But not all films in the MCU fail in it's moments in comedy like this travesty of a film.
@@mcihay246 it's not necessarily bad comedy, just a certain style. I'm not even sure how to describe it. Kind of a "you know it when you see it" sort of thing.
They went on MCU comedy in all Star Wars films since the Force Awakens. There's less of comedy than in the Last Jedi, but the protaginsts are so uninteresting in all new Star Wars. Rey, Han and Jyn were too bland and typical do-it-all characters that they missed the most important idea of a movie - make the events count for the viewers.
So far, "Rogue One" is the only Disney Star Wars movie where the humor actually enriches the movie instead of being an awkward distraction. Probably because almost all the jokes were given to the antisocial robot instead of dispersed evenly among the characters to make them all goofballs.
Exactly. K2SO was really good because that dry humor he had was part of his character. He had the “Id rather be somewhere else but I have to be here” attitude which made it better because he was a droid who can’t really show emotion so it makes sense that he would speak his mind since he doesn’t really know common courtesy
The build up of the moment, ruined, I thought he would take the lightsaber as the force theme plays and then brings it with him to his hut on ach-to, then Rey chases him, Luke not believing the lightsaber of his father, the one lost on cloud city, was there with him
The scene that sticks out for me, as an example of your discussion, is Rey happily shouting she likes being in the Falcon's gunner seat at the end of the movie. She's just been through an ordeal with Snoke and witnessed the deaths of many of the resistance and now is taking delight in shooting down enemy pilots.
@Cian McCabe Correct. It would have made more sense if: 1. She shot those enemies at the start of her adventure 2. When she shot them towards the end of the movie, she was yelling with anger or looked very determined to help or whatever.
after Snoke tortures her, she faces off with the Red Guards and has her emotional confrontation with Ren, but then the next time we see her she's woooing and smiling it's just strange filmmaking.
I'm shocked you didn't mention the moment Luke milked that alien creature on the island and took a swig of it. Definitely was played for laughs but was just 100% awkward.
Meh. Part of the world building, answering the question “how did Luke survive on the island” and highlights how strong his despair is that he’d rather live drinking green goo-milk from a creature like that then go back and face a universe filled with the consequences of his failures that led to the rise of the first order.
The idea of bathos is not that, Luke was actually doing something and the result was milking a monster.......bathos is like an interruption of a scene with a joke. An example will be as someone mentioned before, after Anaking murders all the little jedi, a clone shows up and says "well....at least they are not orphans anymore". It has to take you out of the scene's tone.
@@EliotLu Meh. If you call that world building and honestly cant see how Luke Skywalker should not be drinking tit milk like a homeless vagrant, then The Last Jedi was made just for you. :)
Here's an example. Once Vader shows up on Bespin, all the flirting and banter between Han and Leia stops. It was fine when they were on the run, trying to eash the tension of the situation they were in. Now they're in hip deep and have no options. Their pet peeves don't matter, anymore.
IP Films Exactly. In fact, Irvin Kirschner, the director of everyone's favorite Star Wars movie, "The Empire Strikes Back", once recalled in an interview about his vision for his movie "I want humor, but I don't want gags".
Just wanna have my 2c about that Private Ryan moment. Ryan starts the scene with his commander Capt Miller (Hanks) by lamenting how he cant remember much about his brothers. The tone is somber and sad. Hanks tells him it helps to remember them in context. Damon starts relaying the account with the barn and pretty soon the details are flowing out of him like it happened yesterday. The humor and levity come barrelling out of Damon faster than he can control it and the entire monologue is a rapid comedy of errors. You can almost see Miller realizing he shouldn't have opened this door of Ryan's memories and reality catches up with Ryan as he suddenly realizes that was the last time he saw his brothers and they're all dead now. The power of the scene is the flood of emotion Ryan could not control.
It works in marvel because they know that superhero movies are a somewhat ridiculous concept and that self-consciousness comes across in their jokes. There is nothing inherently ridiculous about star wars and them attempting to put comedy in everything just makes it feel out of place the way they do it.
@@agaw1845 It gets somewhat old after awhile. I very much enjoy the MCU, but with them bringing in the X-Men which have a certain drama & gravitas to them, I'm worried that they'll just make the same jokes and quips quite a few other Marvel characters already do on screen.
@@7hew0lv3r1ne I meant I hated the jokes. And I think the biggest advantage of MCU is that they were using the relatively obscure character so they can have spin on charcters. I actually think getting their big names back is bad to their performance
@@agaw1845 I know that's what you meant. I enjoyed GotG, but after the success of the first one it really felt like they were pushing for more humor & comedic moments in their films. Serious moments need time to breathe as well. I think their scale has tipped too far in the comedic direction a little bit.
Emery Boehnke I just realized the new trilogy is honestly more spaceballs than star wars. Why didn’t they do a comedy spinoff and not kill the whole franchise and dragging it through shit and dirt and mud and god knows
It's doubly painful because it's actually a great gag and I would love to see it in a more comedic or parodic context. But placed in a serious movie it just doesn't work.
It's actually referencing an old Star Wars fan film that used common household objects, like an iron, to stand in for ships/speeders because they didn't have enough money to buy/make actual props.
Also, it works because you can tell he is trying make light of a situation so he doesn't break down in the middle of the situation, considering the high possibility of dying because of the influx of stormtroopers they are no doubt going to send.
It was an example of the normal level of humour someone might make in that kind of situation, some people are just like that. For Disney they went full on and nobody is going to call Hux Hugs. I didn’t even catch that until it was pointed out it is so stupid.
@@Xehanort10 That was literally the worst line in Star Wars for me. The delivery made it sound like Palpatine returning was just an annoyance rather than something that could very well mean the death of everyone in the room. Also the use of "somehow" to justify not explaining how he returned bc the characters don't know either
@@GB-np4pi That whole line was Disney and Lucasfilm admitting "We don't know how he came back. We didn't think of an explanation. He's just back alright." The line by the next guy is even worse. "Dark science, cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew," Disney were making up theories in their own film about the return of the series's main villain.
"how comedy kills EVERY disney movie that shouldn't be a comedy" honestly, disney just can't handle sincerity of any kind these days so they undercut their own storytelling CONSTANTLY with these kinds of jokes. i hate it so much.
Seriously. Like in ROS they’re literally about to be executed by firing squad and still cracking jokes, like it completely destroys the immersion and you’re just reminded you’re watching a shitty movie
this was one of my issues with endgame, i still love the movie don’t get me wrong, but the humor in some scenes can really ruin the serious tone the movie should have after the events in infinity war
@@enzl4493 i finally bit the bullet and finished the last few marvel movies this year and endgame was a terrible movie, which was disappointing because infinity war was actually pretty good. marvel movies were doomed the second disney took over because this awful style of comedy.
@@aperson9847 yeah well although i love the film, the “bathos” is just too out of place at times, like when star lord gets kicked in the balls by gamora in the final battle
Here’s what I think is the difference between the jokes in The Last Jedi and the jokes in the original movies: people in real life joke around. This happens in the original. However, in The Last Jedi, they don’t joke, they TELL jokes. The humor is made for the audience, not for the characters around them like when people actually joke. In the last jedi, “Let the wookie win” would’ve been after a pause and then cut to next scene, aka a joke by the script. In the original, “Let the wookie win” is in a conversation, aka a joke by C3P0.
That's an incredibly important point, and one that actually answers a question that was rattling around in my head while watching this. Why does the combination of humour and extremely dark and bleak situations work so well in infinity war? Because for the most part, all of those funny moments feel natural, and make sense in universe. They're something funny that emerges out of the characters we know, not characters being made to "do something funny".
Same with Star Wars dialogue it has its own kind I know people moaned about prequels dialogue but the ot dialogue had some bad ones aswell but was generally funny Luke and anakin whined a lot but I loved both of them. This was stupid comedy in a Star Wars movie
Well I’d agree but in infinity war they’re fucking lives are on the line from a few aliens and tony stark still has the time to call one of the aliens squidward and literally everybody in my movie theatre laughed hysterically
The best use of bathos i've seen is as a way of "concluding" a serious or emotional scene, such that the audience - who have been given the proper amount of time to process the emotion of a scene - is given the chance to emotionally "resurface". The timing of bathos, in this way, must be perfect, and the gag must not be too exaggerated. An excellent example of this can be found in the anime "Time of Eve", which is about a near-future society where robots and humans co-exist as servant and master. The "Time of Eve" is a unique cafe where it's not possible to tell who is an android and who is human (as the androids remove their identifying markers), and the cafe requires that everyone treat each other as equals, The scene in question pertains to a teenage boy learning a truth about his old family robot. He has long since believed that, when he was a young child, the robot was reprogrammed to no longer care about him, causing him long-term emotional distress and a giving him an ingrained dislike of robots. In this scene, though, the robot becomes obliged - through "Three Laws" directives - to reveal that it never stopped caring about him. The robot was just ordered by the boy's father to act as if it didn't, because the father was concerned that his son was becoming too attached to this robot. Because it was obliged to follow the father's orders, the robot acted as if it no longer cared about the boy. Only in this moment - where the boy's emotional distress at the robot's apparent "betrayal" was poised to cause him harm - was the robot finally able to reveal the truth: that the robot had always cared about him, but was unable to express it. When the boy - now in his late teens - is told this, he breaks down, hugging the robot and telling it that he's sorry he ever doubted it. The other characters watch tearfully as the two hug it out. The audience is allowed time to empathise with the feelings present in the scene. When the boy recovers enough to stop crying, he says that he and the robot need to go home to deal with everything that's been revealed, their mutual bond renewed. However, when the pair move to leave, the robot - which moves on hidden wheels, like a Roomba - is unable to climb the stairs. It bounces impotently off the bottom step, while the other characters look on, bemused. Someone out of shot asks how it even got down the stairs in the first place. Another voice replies that he "carried it down". This is a really, _really_ good example of how to use bathos. It allows the characters, and the audience, to fully process the scene, allowing it the "cool down" gradually and organically. Then, once this emotional peak has been cleared, humour is used - in a restrained and tasteful way - to allow the audience to "move on" from the strong emotion present earlier in the scene. That scene's just stayed with me for years because of how well it juxtaposes intense emotions with humour. It just works so well.
About the Saving Private Ryan scene, I always felt like comedy with soldiers bantering and telling funny stories almost always had a place in war movies. Would have been cool to see the Rebel soldiers or clones in the prequels bantering
Battlefront 2 (2005) has some unit banter lines. Republic Commando is told through the eyes of a clone so that fits too. Galactic Battlegrounds has funny voice lines for each unit. KOTAR is a little cometic sometimes but you can joke around some. Force Unleashed (1 and 2) has zero funny lines other than mildly amusing pleas for you to stop killing them Just some Star Wars games that might sate your space banter.
Banter between clones must be boring. Alpha: Hey, remember how we were next to each other back when we were in amniotic vats? Phi: Oh, yeah! You always had an egg shaped head, haha! Alpha: So did you, genius!! Phi: Your mom! Clones...
The moment Luke threw the lightsaber off the cliff, I knew something was off with the movie. The entire movie of Episode VII was leading up to Rey finding Luke, and that last scene where she held out the lightsaber was one of there most powerful scenes in any Star Wars movie. And then for Luke to throw it off the cliff in Episode VIII... man, that just made a joke of the entire last movie. Bathos, that's a word I'll have to keep in mind for the future. Thank you
The funny thing is, I didn't find that scene funny at all. There was so much expectation, that when he threw it over his shoulder , I thought "oh no! something is very wrong here." In more ways than one.
Can’t agree more. When Poe talks about the general’s mother i just wanted to cry… since when the enemy in star wars is a joke? The empire was terrifying, the emperor, vader, maul, Doku… all scary enemies. Yes, han, Obi wan could make some jokes once in a while to lower the tension of the scene, but none of them broke the scenes
I think the problem is that Bathos happened everywhere: -We can't win, we must run. 1 ship proceeds to take out the enemy flag ship -We need a find THE code breaker. There are apparently many code breakers -Leia dies from explosive decompression. Leia learns to force grapple herself to safety -There's nowhere left to run, except that rebel base close by -Fin can sacrifice himself to save everyone. Girlfriend says no and proceeds to kill herself -Main villain is mysterious all powerful Sith Lord in the shadow. Is really a pimp -The ship is about to lose all her shields and fuel. The hyper space ram was an option of lazy writing -Fin faces Phasma, his arch rival and suffers from a great fall. "Hey" -Luke shows up to save the day. Turns out to be a force projection -Luke turning out to be a force projection and was never in any real danger. PROCEEDS TO DIE ANYWAYS?
Yep, good description. What annoys the shit out of me, too, is how people call that stuff "genius" because it "subverts expectations". They're literally just repeating the Rian Johnson talking point because there's no substance in the movie.
The fleet is doomed. Let's wait until the end of the movie, then invent Hyperspace Hulk Smash to get us out of this situation. That hospital ship that ran out of fuel earlier? That maneuver wouldn't have worked then, because . . . . . reasons. Also Holdo needs to sacrifice herself because our ships don't have autopilots and we can't get a droid to do it.
@Captain Drama I'm with you man! All it takes is one reasonably put negative comment and a load of others jump on it. I have read maybe a handful of negative criticisms about this movie...but I have heard 1000's of people say the same thing, like a minor bird or a parrot copying what they just heard.
@@davidlean1060 The tone, the continuity, the action, the backstory, the sets, the logic, and the comedy. So you know, everything that makes up a movie. And those are just a few of the problems to list off the top of my head but I know there is much more. People are saying the same things because they are watching the same movies with the same problems you stupid fuck. Congratulations on being in the extreme minority of people who enjoy this dumpster fire of a movie, and give yourself a nice pat on the back for being different than the majority and therefore super cool and edgy. After your done patting yourself on the back, find a bridge and hop off it.
@@Big-guy1981 Sounds great, but when you factor in that they're cashing in on a franchise decades of years old, held in very high esteem.. it's not strange that a horrible film can have a lot of people buying tickets. Star wars has become a household name. Even if someone else tells you it's bad, as a star wars fan, you want to see it. That's how good original star wars was; it could convince me to watch the last Jedi. Rogue one, I didn't end up seeing. I bought it later on sale. I didn't even bother trying to see solo. I have zero plans to.
I would consider myself a Star Wars fan boy but the last Jedi was cringe worthy. After the exchange between Poe and Hux I found myself reaching for the remote but realised I was in a movie theater.
all my flags went up at that point and it only got worse from there. I genuinely believe it beats AOTC and TPM for the most cringe star wars film by a fair bit
I was hyped and looked forward for this movie for so long and when this happened I almost left the cinema. The force awakening was satisfying but the stupid jokes annoyed me there as well
Yep. I already had a bad feeling when I watched episode 7 and the movie interrupts the very first, very serious scene with a completely out-of-place line by Poe that would only be funny for kids that are too young for the movie in the first place. And it only got worse by the minute.
Have the exact same feeling about most Marvel movies. A moment is supposed to be very serious and the characters are joking or the director throws a joke in the script. But the amount of jokes in Episode VIII ruined the whole experience for me. It's like the movie is catered to fit everyone, instead of pleasing the HUGE core audience it already has. I'm not even excited for Episode IX anymore, I just hope they bring back JJ Abrams
I saw a theory before Force Awakens came out that the character, Snoke, was actually a masked Jar Jar. It actually added up and would have been an awesome twist and character save. People would have been astounded and then have their minds blown when they remember that his actions ended up putting Palpatine in power and that "there is no luck, only the force" and Jar Jar was actually very lucky in his fight against the droid army leading to the notion that Jar Jar must have had a very prolific natural connection with the Force. Deception is a great tool for a warrior when everyone thinks you are just clumsy and silly and yet you face down an entire army. Oh yes, Jar Jar had potential what if he was fooling everyone the entire time and was acting as a double agent or what if he had this natural driving force that pushed him to the dark side against his knowledge or perhaps even against his will? The same way the audience didn't take Yoda seriously at first Jar Jar could have been a dark version of Yoda.
Yeah of course he sucks, that retribution opportunity was missed completely maybe because Disney was too much of a coward to even touch Jar Jar again or they didn't even think of this. But imagine if Yoda wasn't a Jedi master and he was just a silly looking green dude that talked funny and hit robots with a stick. I mean, he still wouldn't be worse than Jar Jar but he would have been pretty lame just sticking around (pun intended) the main characters as some comic relief.
I looked at my dad. Who is old enough to have seen the og trilogy in theatres at release. Who introduced Star Wars to me as a boy. I have so many memories at universal studios and going to see the prequels together and rouge one which I cried at 😂 and we looked at each other and my old man said to me “was that a your mum joke in Star Wars?” My heart broke for him. I know it’s fucking lame but these are more than films to many people. They are experienced and core foundational memories with loved ones and Disney killed all of that.
@@Marshmobilise Yeah, I saw the originls in theaters too, Star Wars was a huge part of my childhood. I was not a fan of the prequels and really disliked some of the choices made in those movies, but, I never felt like the series was being deliberately disrespected. They seemed like an honest attempt to recreate the magic, for me that attempt failed but I can recognize that there's a younger generation whose first introduction to the franchise came from those movies and they still love them. Its hard to imagine any kids growing up with that same feeling for the recent sequels, I guess we'll know in another decade or so.
That really set the tone for the rest of the movie. You knew at your heart this is not gonna be a Star Wars film. It’s some sick fraud wearing it’s corpse.
For me the most jarring tonal moment was when they show the resistance pilots getting into their X-wings in the ship hangar, then a bomb hits and *kills* literally all of them. All these people just burned to a crisp. What do they show *RIGHT* after? BB-8 bouncing off the wall and making silly noises. People in the theatre were laughing and I was just like...err, we just saw about 50 good guys get burned to death 2 seconds ago, why do you think this is funny? :\ I feel like Star Wars has always had that problem, though, at least with the modern movies. They're constantly trying to be both a kids' movie and an adult sci-fi and the two really don't mix.
The fact that people near you were laughing just shows how intellectually shallow and easily manipulated people are. It's like a personification of ADD and as much as it frightens me to say this, it might show the writers and directors understand the stupidity of people in the audience and made a film for them.
@@postwickSo I have long since come to a conclusion that really explained a huge amount of the world for me - I think a surprising amount of people literally cannot hold a narrative in their head. They experience each scene as its own thing, they frankly even go thru life that way. IMO it explains both the state of media and the state of politics. They don't care about fact checking because each moment just exists and whatever feeling is being evoked in the moment is what they believe. It's hard to wrap your head around if you ARE narratively inclined but yeah. They just can't hold a sequence of events in their head.
I knew this movie was going to suck when the opening sequence was Poe pranking General Hux with the I can't hear you routine. The entire movie was dreadful and it irrevocably ruined Star Wars.
Blingdream I agree, but the scene was very funny. However this trilogy should’ve taken a more serious tone from the start. Most movies nowadays try a copy Marvel but they can’t seem to do any justice
It's like the film was written by Stephen Speilberg and Jerry Sinefeld but they took it in turns to write a paragraph after briefly given context as to whats happening without actually reading what each other wrote. Edit: To clear things up I was referring to the tone of the movie and not the actual quality of the jokes and writing. Speilberg and Sinefeld are true masters of their craft.
Monmonstar Like that game where you draw a section of a creature, fold the paper at the end of your contribution, then let someone else continue the drawing?
YES! That was my exact feeling from the very beginning of the movie. The comedy was so out of place it was jarring. I hated the scene w/ Luke tickling Rey's hand, it destroyed the importance of what was supposed to be happening.
@Iroquois Pliskin I personally hate it, but only because when I was a young teenager I watched it probably every other day because it was the only Star Wars film we had on DVD and we removed the VHS player that had been destroyed in a power surge when lightning struck the tree next to our house so we couldn't watch any other Star Wars movie for like... three years. The dialogue was cringy, sure. But really, that's the only problem I had with it. I mean, teenagers write better love poetry to their crushes than the dialogue between Anakin and Padme.
Qrazy Quarian Man I just rewatched it and it was painful. The way every character was written and no one has emotions is downright bizarre. The CGI has aged badly too. But seeing the Clone Wars is still incredible
Attack of the Clones is not bad movie. Most critics today are movie illiterate. David Stewart rate it 8/10 and I agree. Ep2 has million details. For me third or fourth best ever. Just scenes like battle on Kamino, Obi Wan vs Jango in asteroid field etc... Movie have good pace between Obi Wan, galactic happenings and slower Anakin and Padme scenes.. Everything what is needed to explain movie can be found in the movie. Key things happened in ep2 like Anakin's first step into anger and darkness, Palpatine got emergency powers, Obi wan found mystery about Kamino and thousands of systems started move for independence from republic under Dooku, clone army and jedi in fight and beginning of Clone Wars CGI is still great(check Corridor Crew vid about PT CGI if you doubt) Count Dooku was awesome, Obi wan and Jango excellent. Yoda fighting Dooku was great and finally Yoda was Jedi, not someone who stand aside and Padme and Anakin scenes work pretty well even if you don't like their relationship because there is million of videos about them each have million views so there is peoples that like them
Even The Clone Wars had a humoristic, maybe even younger-audience oriented touch and it was still serious and had plot, it followed the rules of the Star Wars universe and and logic and continuity. Bathos would’ve fit in perfectly in Clone Wars (can’t remember if they did use it), but in the alternative Universe the call third trilogy, it’s just a spit on the grave of what the real star wars with it’s whole universe of content now is
I liked the last Jedi well enough in my first viewing, except the fight between Kylo and Luke at the end. This is Luke's final act. The main character who started the whole series is sacrificing himself to save the rebellion, and Kylo Ren is going insane after seeing the teacher who ruined his life. This should be deadly serious. And then, he survives an impossible amount of laser fire and brushes off his shoulder like it was nothing. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR COMEDY.
Did you see The Director and The Jedi? Man, so much money and effort was put into that scene; they actually built those huge space cow animatronics with complex milking mechanisms, flew them with a helicopter to the island, all to get that shot of Luke wiping his beard and going "ahhhhh"...
"if they had comedic line after comedic line, that could have worked, too." no . . . i doubt that. very much. i just don't believe people _ever_ wanted their favorite franchise degraded into a wacky laughingstock.
"That was it. That was the last- That was- Dan went off to basic the next day. That was the last night the four of us were together." That line/delivery breaks me every single time I've seen Saving Private Ryan.
This trilogy is such a dissapointment. I liked the idea of Finn, a brainwashed ex-soldier. I love Kylo ren's lightsaber, the crossguard makes it look a lot more weighty for some reason. And i like the idea of a shamed, fallen Luke Skywalker. Too bad they just ruined it. The force awakens was a lazy copy and the last jedi wasn't even a good deconstruction.
Although JJ Abrams had some good ideas that got ruined or went nowhere in TLJ, Finn was a character that was wasted in his own movie, like even Abrams didn't know where to go with him. It's really cool how he breaks down after the slaughter of innocents, but then he gleefully mows down his former comrades when he helps Poe escape. He has a touching moment with Poe where he actually gets his own name instead of a serial number (kind of like the Unsullied in GoT/ASOIAF reacquiring their identities after being freed), but shortly later asks Rey if she has a boyfriend. He's supposed to be a simple janitor, yet seems to know information way above his pay-grade. A scene early on has Captain Phasma discussing how he's never malfunctioned before this suddenly going AWOL, but the plotline goes nowhere after that scene. Good idea for a character, bad execution when the director doesn't seem to have a plan. Which kind of describes the whole new Star Wars trilogy as a whole.
Saw the movie on opening night. After the initial cheers from the crawl, the audience never laughed again. We all walked out in utter silence and disbelief... Whatever jokes they had fell flat, and just didn't work. Movie was somewhere between boring rubbish and intellectually insulting.
I saw the movie twice (that was my mistake, somehow I completely unconsciously ignored or forgot about all the cringe, humour and canto bight stuff, somehow) the first time only 2 people of around 40+ (in the cinema and in age) laughed at 90% of the jokes, the other 38 were dead silent but then the 2nd time I was with a fair few casuals of around 30 and half of them laughed consistently but most of them that did were younger than 15 with the occasional parent and idiotic gullible person. (FYI the 2nd time I saw it was with my father who grew up with the OT, but doesn't see a problem with Jar Jar or Jake Loyds acting so I was unsure how he would feel about this one and he tends to be pretty collected, that wasn't the case with this film)
@@notapplicable6985 I disagree. Its only the marvel topic he was given is what made it work. Just look at how he forced it on justice league and fucked up batman with that bathos. Not saying it had a chance before joss but making Bruce wayne a bumbling goof in interactions like a Bruce banner type was just woeful
Disney doesn't understand what Star Wars is about (i am talking about the new trilogy)... so far Rogue One was the best in terms of "feels" what Star Wars is about i think
R1 didn't feel "star wars" to me but you could tell it was definitely in that universe and is thus far my favourite film Disney has done with the brand. To me the film they have done that feels the most like Star Wars is TFA but that doesn't automatically make it a good star wars film at all and I think it's just okay with a 5.5-6/10 and fyi the lowest rated star wars movie for me is a 5/10
Actually Rogue One is terrible. The good guys aren't really good guys. They essentially take Jana Orso prisoner. They interrogate a guy to see what he knows only to make him into a vegetable to then realize he was telling the truth. Everyone in Rogue One is a hateble character. That's not Star Wars.
@@anthonywarren9885 that's the point, the good guys aren't supposed to be the good guys, it's a whole morally grey area which is what makes it interesting and reflects the nature of the force. There aren't any in real life anyway
I get your point and honestly agree but at the same time it seems to have been a pretty deep issue he had so it turned into a rant, happens to everyone sometimes. Again I agree just ya know, in his defense
Star Wars could have been the next LOTR in terms of epicness. LOTR had a perfect blend of great dramatic moments and small windows of light hearted jokes which worked.
Uhh.. no it couldn't have. Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest stories ever told. It was written, edited and refined by arguably one of the greatest authors in history over the span of several decades. Star Wars was a fun space opera with really cool characters and interesting lore that branched off into hundreds of different sub stories and is now being milked endlessly. It has been nearing empty for decades, yet still companies continue to squeeze out every last little drop because apparently the final drops are the most valuable because people are so starved for another taste. It should have died long ago. It was a great trilogy and it should have probably ended there. It's officially dead now that Disney got their hands on it.
It's as if Disney had no plan and Ruin Johnson threw away everything JJ Abrams had set up and written for him, and instead he submitted the first draft. Oh... wait.
@Arvak777 I'd be interested to know to what extent Rian was or wasn't following JJ's notes. In some ways TLJ is a natural progression from TFA. TFA sets out a tale that was such a textbook example of Star Wars heroism and plot that people complained about how unimaginative and cliched it was. Then TLJ comes out and dissects and deconstructs the flaws in those cliches. We'll know with the next film. If that actually *was* their plan all along, then Episode 9 will follow through by aiming to reconstruct Star Wars into something that resolves the flaws identified by the deconstruction in a way that recombines it with the core spirit of Star Wars. If that *wasn't* their plan all along... umm, yeah...
It amazes me that people can make comprehensive, well thought out videos like this, and there are still those who chalk up TLJ's bad ratings to "trolls."
It's all right here in this exchange: Luke Skywalker: Where are you from? Rey: Nowhere. Luke: No one's from nowhere. Rey: Jakku. Luke: All right; that is pretty much nowhere. (Badum-tish) Why are you here, Rey from nowhere? Rey: The Resistance sent me. The First Order has become unstoppable- Luke: Why are you here? Rey: Something inside me has always been there...but now it's awake, and I'm afraid. I don't know what it is, or what to do with it, but I need help. Luke: You need a teacher...I can't teach you. Rey: Why not? I've seen your daily routine; you are not busy. (Badum-tish) Luke: I will never train another generation of Jedi. I came to this island to die. It's time for the Jedi...to end. Misplaced comedy removed: Luke Skywalker: Where are you from? Rey: Nowhere. Luke: No one's from nowhere. Rey: Jakku. Luke: Why are you here, Rey from Jakku? Rey: The Resistance sent me. The First Order has become unstoppable- Luke: Why are you here? Rey: Something inside me has always been there...but now it's awake, and I'm afraid. I don't know what it is, or what to do with it, but I need help. Luke: You need a teacher...I can't teach you. Rey: Why not? Luke: I will never train another generation of Jedi. I came to this island to die. It's time for the Jedi...to end.
That line "Okay that is pretty much nowhere" was my favorite moment of the entire movie. It was a great delivery, it was hilarious and it was a perfect callback to the last movie, continuing the running joke of how horrible Jakku is.
It's not the line itself it's where it is used in the context of the conversation they are having. I personally don't want my Jedi Knights joking during a exchange where one is saying she is lost and the other wants to die and the order to end.
You've just made the conversation less interesting, and taken away some of the character from the exchange. The Jakku line is hardly an out of place joke, Jakku IS a joke. Everyone in the galaxy seems to know how much of a dump the place is, so if someone told Luke they were from Jakku, it's no wonder he'd be a little taken aback. Rey's quip about Luke's daily routine isn't out of place either, because she's frustrated with him. She's travelled a long dangerous journey, only to find out that he's not what she expected him to be. She's confused and slightly annoyed with him, it's hardly surprising that she'd be a little sarcastic. These lines aren't gut-busting jokes, they're brief moments of character which stop the scene from being too po-faced. In fact, I'd say Luke's line "I came to this island to die" is more impactful after Rey's sarcastic comment, because it highlights how wrong her assumptions about Luke were.
I think another reason that the funny story in Saving Private Ryan works is because not only does it give more weight to the story but because it fleshed out the Ryan brothers. Until that moment, Ryan and his brothers had been McGuffins (a plot device that kicks off the storyline but otherwise has no importance). Private Ryan was the last surviving son of his family and that he needed to go home as part of the last survivor policy. An average cast/crew could've ignore it or worse still made it a sob story. Instead, they chose to have Ryan tell a funny story about the last night his family was together. Not only did it shed light on the closeness of the Ryan family but it was a reminder that he was part of a loving family that has been torn apart by war. Therefore, it gives more weight to the firefight because we have more reason to see them succeed. Ryan has become a person that we care about in that moment and we have more reason to be invested in his survival.
n1k0 Nefast the force awakens showed promise it was never going to amaze people like episode 4 besides some weird moments which all the movies had it was good then this came
"it was never going to amaze people like episode 4" ... No. You must not think like that. thats the problem with people. They shouldve think:`"We will amaze people. we will make the best star wars trilogy, ever. the most epic. the most fun. They're gonna be thrilled." The force awakens is not a good movie. I couldnt care less about Rey, Ben, Finn, Snoke, Hux.... and Maz Kanata? oh please. thats a disaster.
It's true! I also felt like that when I saw that scene in this video here. I didn't remember it from TLJ, so I immediatly thought that it was from Spaceballs.
I don't remember that scene at all, but I was pretty thoroughly checked out that by point. I just wanted the movie to end, so I could just go home and pretend it was all a nightmare.
I remember when a spaceship came down and it looked a lot like an iron, as it turns out, it was an iron. I was baffled because it did not seem like an appropriate joke in a mostly serious movie. It just took me out of the move and made me think of why they would use that "joke"
It's not that johnson doesnt understand bathos; it's that he doesn't appreciate star wars. He thinks star wars is stupid and the fans stupider. He thinks star wars is a joke, and that's why all the moments that should have awesome were a joke. This is what happens when a director genuinely does not like the fans of the universe he was hired to contribute to.
Yes. KK hates that the bulk of Star Wars fandom is male and that most of the characters in SW are men. She is using SW as a tool of social engineering, not just to show strong, capable female characters but to make every male character evil, a failure or both.
@@fatcat871 - And horrible writer! He admits it even! Why would anyone give a dude who says he is a terribly slow and lazy writer that plagerizes when he can, the keys to the greatest franchise ever to utterly destroy? It was even his first draft! KK read that crap and said "Yes, this will be amazing Star Wars movie-going!" Its mind blowing that shit was approved with zero rewrites??? What film does that on such a high expectation franchise? I even heard Johnson say he finished TLJ before TFA was complete! What bizzaro shit is that??? Then when TFA was changed a bit, Johnson did no retcon to make the films compatible. What trash writing!!!!
One important aspect of that story Matt Damon tells in Saving Private Ryan, was that it was completely ad libbed by Damon and not in the script at all. Tom Hanks' reaction to it is genuine.
I gotta be honest, the scene, where Rey figures out how Luke Is living nowadays, with these space-cows, and then him drinking that green goo, and then the follow up with the stick over the cliff in an "tarzan"-kindoff manner, made me and my sister laugh so hard, it didn't stop for long. And then when it stopped we looked at each other, and burst out in laughter once again, but already in a way more serious scene. Yea it kindoff was funny, but it was absolute poison for the movie. Thats the problem.
Po's prank call ended the movie for me. So glad I didn't pay to watch it in the cinema. If a single rebel star fighter can single handedly disarm a star destroyer... how are the First Order winning the war?
Almost nothing in this movie was allowed to be taken seriously. The dramatic moments are so frequently undercut by bad jokes, as if the filmmakers didn't trust their audience not to think drama was cheesy? I don't really know the intention, but I know it didn't work for a lot of viewers, and in my own experience, the forced humor made the film feel like a fluff piece rather than a crucial or pivotal moment in the Star Wars canon.
Uhhh I have a question. Is there a reason all of the writing video essayists Im subscribed to decides to make a video on the last Jedi today? Is that a coincidence? Is something happening?
The humour was the worst part of the movie. The Force Awakens had humour problems as well (mainly being too meta/self-aware). The humour really degraded my ability to immerse into the fantasy of these films.
Don't watch the old films then, because the humor is far far worse than in the two last movies. But I guess rose tinted glasses are quite strong on Star Wars.
+Agathia you not liking the originals doesn't make TLJ good. It makes you petty. You don't have to like the originals. Many people don't. But decent people want new movies to be made well, instead of trying to insult the past. Out of curiosity what would you say to someone who hates the originals, loved TFA and hated TLJ? With the petty "rose tinted glasses" out of the picture as you seem to want, what then would be the defense of the TLJ?
I agree with Agathia. The humor in the old movies is "childish", to say the least. Nevertheless, we enjoyed them. I consider this one has a more witty humor than the others.
+Mauricio Praga Star Wars humor has never changed. You can compare any of the 8 main films and they have the same type of humor. What changes between them is the context of the jokes, and more importantly, how and when they are used. If you think that humor is childish, thats fine. Personally, I don't but lets just go with agree to disagree since comedy is subjective to each person.
Out of all these scenes you showed, I think the only one that kinda works was the one when lightsaber flew out of Ray's grasp and bonked her on the head. While it was silly it also showed how much more control over the force Snoke had, which I guess could work.
I've never known a movie be made with such joyful destruction. It as if they crafted it to be awful. What worries me is that somehow not everyone sees it...
I'll summarize my thought about bathos like this: Humor is how we humans deal with bad situations, but nobody will burst out laughing during moments of stress.
How it was executed made it like a joke. Better way for the scene to have gone through this was to just have Luke drop the light saber from his hands without throwing it.
You can't criticise the Last Jedi because immediately you are "a whiny boy", according to the very elaborate arguments from the "very objective" fans of this film.
'Whiny boy' fits him well...The Last Jedi sucks because of bad storylines and editing not because of the bathos..This video failed to realize that Disney is for kids...You can't expect Ala Quentin Tarantino type of brutality from a dark themed Disney film...
Some good imagery but overall a bad film, lots of plot holes, and lack of character development or a fleshed out story. Too much silly humour and too many random coincidences. Just not a very well thought out film or plot.
You took the words out of my mouth. I didn't hate the movie as much as other people did. But I still disliked the movie. For me it is 4 out of 10. I'm able to rewatch without regretting it.
I think that while I enjoy most of the MCU movies they have caused a lot of problems. Everyone wants to make a cinematic universe and everyone wants their action movies to double as comedies.
I know Zack Snyder is give in a lot of hate but I think he is the one of the directors today that can actually make a serious sci-fi/superhero movie. In my opinion.
The problem I have with the last Jedi is that Rey is way too experienced when she barley has any experience in lightsaber fighting. Also, *THEY KILLED ACKBAR*
@Juno A main problem in Force Awakens was her looks. Her being oddly skilled in different things can be explained away, but why does a bum working for food stamps from a greedy guy who tries to short change his customers look so good and healthy? If she's dirt poor make her look dirt poor, if she's not supposed to look like a bum don't make her a bum. They could have improved her health and looks over the course of the movie if they felt they needed a pretty girl for the climax, it could even have been used to show the passing of time (if the movie didn't take place over the course of a few days), but the way it was handled it only made her seem unnatural and static. And yes Anakin and his mother were also guilty of this.
@Juno I don't count him since a free farmer does stand above a slave or scavenger in wealth and social standing. A new hope even established that his family wasn't dirt poor by giving him a glider that was an older model yet still mostly a luxury item (or having him purchase a protocol Droid for the family).
When The Last Jedi first came out, I was looking forward to watching it with my brother and father in theaters (as we had the previous movies). Before I got to go see it, my cousin (who isn't really big into Star Wars but finds them entertaining enough to go watch with his friends) went to see it. I asked him if it was good. He replied, "Yes. It was really funny." As soon as he said that, I recoiled a little in shock, as that was the last thing I was expecting to hear. After the moment of shock passed, I think I mumbled something along the lines of "Star Wars isn't a comedy," or something like that. After a while, I convinced myself that my cousin simply prefers comedy over the usual dramatic space opera stuff and so the funny stuff stuck out to him the most. After all, Star Wars has always had some funny moments (see Rogue One, Return of the Jedi, and Phantom Menace for details), so there was nothing to really worry about. Then I checked the reviews and saw that the critics loved the film. From that moment on, there was a sense of dread in the back of my mind. Me and the critics often do not see eye to eye on what makes a great movie. Even so, I came into the theater with as much of an open mind as possible. I figured there was about a 50-50 chance that this would be good. By the time I left, I was close to tears. Not at how awe inspiring the story was or anything. Not even at the Death of Luke Skywalker. I was sad at how I had finally found a Star Wars movie that I didn't enjoy. My brother felt about the same way, though my father was unsure of how he felt as he fell asleep a few times during the film (he hadn't slept well the night before). After we had all had some time to digest the film, we all decided that what was missing most was the excellent storytelling of George Lucas... and also that it was filled with too many lame jokes.
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 The movie has 91% rating on rotten tomatoes and critics thought it was a great movie. The movie also made a lot of profit. So it was a critical and financial success. So idk what you're on about
@@achyuththouta6957 and the movie wasn’t even that bad. If any other movie was nitpicked as much as this one everyone would hate it to. People need to stop going over every line and every detail of every scene.
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DeadPool is dark comedy and Star Wars is not.
Your completely right. But I still like the movie.
The real question is...
Why was Rian trusted with such a large movie, as he has only directed two or three?
That’s not enough to have a ‘good’ track record, or much experience in quality storytelling.
Mr Temporal I agree
It's good to see you are still around :)
Great video, great essay, and bringing it to the point as usual. And I can only agree with your arguments.
Really well done
It s like Luke finding his parents burned to death and him to be like "oh well i guess 2 Suns arent really healthy for your skin"
That sounds like a bit from robot chicken
@@skeletor4726 i heard about them but i hadn't watched them lol
It really isn't like that though
*sitcom laughter*
OH BURN! (Audience: Ohhhhh!)
As Yoda is dying...
Luke: Is Vader my father?
Yoda: Yes, but tell you about Joe, I must
Luke: Who's Joe?
Yoda: Joe mama lol *dies*
I needed that laugh, thank you.
Meester Brown I like to imagine that Yoda doesn't actually laugh out loud but specifically says, "lol"
Yoda: Mama Joe
Qui Gon: Obi Wan, I need you to do something. But first, 69 420 am I right? Dies.
i would give u gold if this is reddit
ROTS: Anakin gets crippled by Obi-Wan
George’s Version: “You were my brother Anakin!”
Disney’s Version: “Looks like you’re half the man you were before”
To be honest, this somehow would fit obi wan
Even **that** is too good a joke for Disney lmao
Been there. When I watched ROTS in the cinema back then, my seat neighbour responded to Anakin’s “I hate you” by saying “Oh, how cute!” 😂
@@SGKiramman615because Disney wouldn't want to use the word man.
This is really messed up and seriously funny.
The only time someone laughed during TLJ in my cinema was when Kylo was shirtless and a gay guy in the audience said aloud 'oooooooohhh' and everybody had a chuckle with him.
unpopular opinion: Kylo didn't even look good shirtless
@@SardonicJosh I share the opinion.
@@SardonicJosh I think that’s a pretty popular opinion.
@@SardonicJosh Agreed.
I honestly thought all the memes about Kylo being super wide were editted. Nope, he just looks really oddly propositioned.
I argued this point for a while. Star Wars was a serious film with some comedy, now it's a comedy with some seriousness. It fails
jocaguz18 Wrong.
What idiots laugh at these “jokes” anyway? I’ve pirated all the new films (cause no money for Disney) and I haven’t laughed at any of the cheap quips they try to throw at me, I just cringe and get angry
jocaguz18 Not a good argument, toddlers don’t understand that much about movies to even get mad. But the other guy’s right. The comedy is cringy as shit. Doesn’t belong in a Star Wars movie.
jocaguz18 I love how people claim it’s a joke when they look stupid.
jocaguz18 Ooooor, lying to protect themselves from embarrassment.
Bathos shouldn't exist in Star Wars. There's really no space for it (no pun intended).
It's like after Anakin kills the younglings a clone comes outta nowhere and is like, "oh well at least they aren't orphans anymore." And Thomas the train music come out as the scene ends.
Well that clone is right
People who say "no pun intended" are cowards. Intend your puns, weakling.
That would be hilarious tho
That would be kinda funny lol
PlaguE ImaginatioN I would buy that.
Bathos. The jumpscares of comedy.
Pretty apt description XD
Dale Whyte
Not really, unless you have a sudden jumpsvare in a scene that previously didn't have any hint of horror (which, come to think of it, could actually be effective, if done well).
Ben L "if done well" hence the comparison
U mean action
acc as FK
One of the Jokes in The Last Jedi is *literally* taken Straight from SpaceBalls.
The scene where they're arrested for illegal Parking.
but first, lets talk about parallel universes...
A joke that indirectly ends up killing hundreds of of Resistance members.
Solo also stole the "I can't do it while you're looking" joke from Portal 2.
These movies are creatively bankrupt.
You forgot the "look at that spaceship...oopps..it's actually a steam iron" joke...straight out of space balls.
@@jscottupton Did that happen in Spaceballs? I don't remember. It's been a while since I've seen it.
I had to wait 2 years to see Luke throwing his lightsaber.
Zejakov EXACTLY!
@@xSaintClips sad but true
@Zejakov - I loved that bit...... but I was never invested into Luke as a character or held him on a pedestal
Not his lightsaber. His father's, something he lost in their initial duel as he learned what his father was, sith.
A lightsaber given to him by his first master, obi wan.
Well his dad did kill children with that lightsaber.And presumedly the last time he held was in EST when got his hand cut off.That lightsaber is the visceral reminder of his father’s failure and his to balance the force.To be a great jedi to bring back a new jedi order.
Disney: "well if inserting a joke in every scene works for Marvel, then it'll definitely work with Star Wars!"
Matthew Lee I hate Diney..😡😡😡😠😡
Diney?
I personally am not a fan of Diney Costeloe’s works, but they are critically acclaimed worldwide.
It really doesn't work with Marvel, though. I couldn't even get all the way through Ant-Man.
THIS!
I swear, I've been saying the same thing.
One of my least favorite jokes played for laughs in The Last Jedi is Finn waking up. I remember seeing The Force Awakens and really wanted to know what would happen to Finn, where he would wake up, if he would panic about Rey not being there, him running off to find her. Nope, he just kind of wandered around the ship in a daze leaking water out of his suit for laughs.
He took a frickin lightsaber to the spine and was able to walk around for laughs a few days later
Chicken Squad Well Bacta Tanks were a thing way before Disney bought and killed star wars tbh
@@starstencahl8985 what's a bacta tank
@@chickensquad1865 Pretty much a healing tank. I'm not sure what exactly it does, but since this is pre disney star wars, I'm sure you'll fand a gigantic mass of infos, explainations and stories about it
@@starstencahl8985 still would've thought a saber to the spine would put him in bad condition for a bit longer. Idk maybe this tank things magic
Obi Wan screams at Anakin at the end of their duel "Those younglings were short enough, you didn't have to cut them shorter!"
Anakin: In my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Obi-Wan: well then you’re going to need some lens cleaner then!
Obi-Wan: I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.
Luke: You knew my father? What was he like?
Obi-Wan: Last I saw him he was smoking hot.
Vader: I am your father.
Luke: Must get my good looks from my mother then.
Written and directed by Rian Johnson
Vader after defeating Luke in The Emperor Strikes Back:
Vader: Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Lend me your hand, and we can destroy… Oh wait…
Luke: lol
They went "MCU comedy" on this movie too hard.
John Marston - been saying this. Does not fit AT ALL.
MCU comedy?
Not aware of it.
I've heard of comedy with bad execution.
But not all films in the MCU fail in it's moments in comedy like this travesty of a film.
@@mcihay246 it's not necessarily bad comedy, just a certain style. I'm not even sure how to describe it. Kind of a "you know it when you see it" sort of thing.
@Ryder Steel yeah pretty much
They went on MCU comedy in all Star Wars films since the Force Awakens. There's less of comedy than in the Last Jedi, but the protaginsts are so uninteresting in all new Star Wars. Rey, Han and Jyn were too bland and typical do-it-all characters that they missed the most important idea of a movie - make the events count for the viewers.
So far, "Rogue One" is the only Disney Star Wars movie where the humor actually enriches the movie instead of being an awkward distraction. Probably because almost all the jokes were given to the antisocial robot instead of dispersed evenly among the characters to make them all goofballs.
I just don‘t get it. In my opinion, Rogue One is the best Star Wars Movie by far, yet it has the worst Meta-Critic score
Rogue one is the ONLY good Disney Star Wars movie
@@freddie3477 Nah
@@scheichhassan5004 because Meta-critic is garbage
Exactly. K2SO was really good because that dry humor he had was part of his character. He had the “Id rather be somewhere else but I have to be here” attitude which made it better because he was a droid who can’t really show emotion so it makes sense that he would speak his mind since he doesn’t really know common courtesy
When luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder. Thats when i knew i wasnt gonna like the movie
Amen brother
That and Poe pranking Hux! That made a menacing character into the butt of this shit film!
that was really annoying @@FreeOpenTruth
The build up of the moment, ruined, I thought he would take the lightsaber as the force theme plays and then brings it with him to his hut on ach-to, then Rey chases him, Luke not believing the lightsaber of his father, the one lost on cloud city, was there with him
@@freddie3477 yeah no this movie is shit
"Execute Order 66."
"Right sir, right after I eat this taco."
Written and Directed by Rian Johnson.
lmao I chuckles at this
Joker: Hit me
Batman: Ok
Written and directed by Rian Johnson
Honestly if that actually happened I wouldn’t even complain. I’d just laugh.
Spider-Man: No Way Home
MCU Spidey: I need you to help me defeat the sinister six
Andrew’s Spidey: *G O A W A Y*
@@user-xy3ee8bw6j Tobey's Spiderman: *I missed the part where that's my problem*
The scene that sticks out for me, as an example of your discussion, is Rey happily shouting she likes being in the Falcon's gunner seat at the end of the movie. She's just been through an ordeal with Snoke and witnessed the deaths of many of the resistance and now is taking delight in shooting down enemy pilots.
@Cian McCabe exactly! It's not just the character experience but the entire movie itself. There is no continuity, it's meaningless!
@Cian McCabe Correct. It would have made more sense if:
1. She shot those enemies at the start of her adventure
2. When she shot them towards the end of the movie, she was yelling with anger or looked very determined to help or whatever.
@Juno Yeah but Rey's character is not consistently sarcastic or playful. It just seems that she is murderous and weirdly determined.
@Juno Well, I guess. It might be a ridiculous complain, but I still find it reasonable for this movie at least.
after Snoke tortures her, she faces off with the Red Guards and has her emotional confrontation with Ren, but then the next time we see her she's woooing and smiling it's just strange filmmaking.
I'm shocked you didn't mention the moment Luke milked that alien creature on the island and took a swig of it. Definitely was played for laughs but was just 100% awkward.
Meh. Part of the world building, answering the question “how did Luke survive on the island” and highlights how strong his despair is that he’d rather live drinking green goo-milk from a creature like that then go back and face a universe filled with the consequences of his failures that led to the rise of the first order.
The idea of bathos is not that, Luke was actually doing something and the result was milking a monster.......bathos is like an interruption of a scene with a joke.
An example will be as someone mentioned before, after Anaking murders all the little jedi, a clone shows up and says "well....at least they are not orphans anymore".
It has to take you out of the scene's tone.
@@EliotLu Meh. If you call that world building and honestly cant see how Luke Skywalker should not be drinking tit milk like a homeless vagrant, then The Last Jedi was made just for you. :)
@@EliotLu .........................seriously?
@@Exigentable For real!
I think Ron Howard is right. Star Wars always had humor, not jokes
IP Films amen hallelujah
Irvin Kershner said it better (about The Empire Strikes Back). "I needed humor in the picture, and yet I couldn't have gags."
You want to go home and rethink your life.
Here's an example. Once Vader shows up on Bespin, all the flirting and banter between Han and Leia stops. It was fine when they were on the run, trying to eash the tension of the situation they were in. Now they're in hip deep and have no options. Their pet peeves don't matter, anymore.
IP Films Exactly. In fact, Irvin Kirschner, the director of everyone's favorite Star Wars movie, "The Empire Strikes Back", once recalled in an interview about his vision for his movie "I want humor, but I don't want gags".
Just wanna have my 2c about that Private Ryan moment.
Ryan starts the scene with his commander Capt Miller (Hanks) by lamenting how he cant remember much about his brothers. The tone is somber and sad. Hanks tells him it helps to remember them in context. Damon starts relaying the account with the barn and pretty soon the details are flowing out of him like it happened yesterday. The humor and levity come barrelling out of Damon faster than he can control it and the entire monologue is a rapid comedy of errors. You can almost see Miller realizing he shouldn't have opened this door of Ryan's memories and reality catches up with Ryan as he suddenly realizes that was the last time he saw his brothers and they're all dead now. The power of the scene is the flood of emotion Ryan could not control.
So well said, thank you.
I call it the Marvel effect. It works in comic book movies, it doesn't really work in Star Wars. Just my opinion.
It works in marvel because they know that superhero movies are a somewhat ridiculous concept and that self-consciousness comes across in their jokes.
There is nothing inherently ridiculous about star wars and them attempting to put comedy in everything just makes it feel out of place the way they do it.
@@Bunnut Really? Cause as a comic book fans, I have hated this method for so long.
@@agaw1845 It gets somewhat old after awhile. I very much enjoy the MCU, but with them bringing in the X-Men which have a certain drama & gravitas to them, I'm worried that they'll just make the same jokes and quips quite a few other Marvel characters already do on screen.
@@7hew0lv3r1ne I meant I hated the jokes. And I think the biggest advantage of MCU is that they were using the relatively obscure character so they can have spin on charcters. I actually think getting their big names back is bad to their performance
@@agaw1845 I know that's what you meant. I enjoyed GotG, but after the success of the first one it really felt like they were pushing for more humor & comedic moments in their films. Serious moments need time to breathe as well. I think their scale has tipped too far in the comedic direction a little bit.
The steaming iron thingy transition is SO spaceballs. Spot on.
I completely forgot the movie (what a surprise) and really thought it was from spaceballs or some other parody or cheap ripoff. That is not okay.
Emery Boehnke I just realized the new trilogy is honestly more spaceballs than star wars.
Why didn’t they do a comedy spinoff and not kill the whole franchise and dragging it through shit and dirt and mud and god knows
It's doubly painful because it's actually a great gag and I would love to see it in a more comedic or parodic context. But placed in a serious movie it just doesn't work.
It was very out of place
It's actually referencing an old Star Wars fan film that used common household objects, like an iron, to stand in for ships/speeders because they didn't have enough money to buy/make actual props.
Han Solo's "Boring Conversation Anyway" is a perfect example of how Star Wars can use humour, as it's part of his character
Also, it works because you can tell he is trying make light of a situation so he doesn't break down in the middle of the situation, considering the high possibility of dying because of the influx of stormtroopers they are no doubt going to send.
Plus it was a casual side joke that wasn't given too much time.
It was an example of the normal level of humour someone might make in that kind of situation, some people are just like that. For Disney they went full on and nobody is going to call Hux Hugs. I didn’t even catch that until it was pointed out it is so stupid.
TLJ tries to have laugh out loud jokes, while the OT has small quips that make you chuckle.
@@Debicus What is "OT"??
Sorry I'm dumb, just wanted to know😊
They repeated the same mistake with The Rise Of Skywalker oh my god
Mr.Yanis _ thank you for making me get off the fence
To be fair, they added a lot of mistakes too.
Oscar Isaac's face in the scene where Poe says "Somehow Palpatine has returned" said it all.
@@Xehanort10 That was literally the worst line in Star Wars for me. The delivery made it sound like Palpatine returning was just an annoyance rather than something that could very well mean the death of everyone in the room. Also the use of "somehow" to justify not explaining how he returned bc the characters don't know either
@@GB-np4pi That whole line was Disney and Lucasfilm admitting "We don't know how he came back. We didn't think of an explanation. He's just back alright." The line by the next guy is even worse. "Dark science, cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew," Disney were making up theories in their own film about the return of the series's main villain.
I’ve been in a binge of videos just hating on The last Jedi. I would like to state it’s soothing, like treating a deep internal wound.
There's a RUclipsr I really love who loved this movie. I have never felt the same about him since.
@@grumpyotter 🤣🤣🤣
I've never even watched TLJ and I've been doing the same thing.
This is therapy
Gooooood, gooooood. Let the hate flow through you.
Star wars tried to pull a Marvel and it failed miserably
Mcu failed as well no one takes their film seriously besides the rabid fanboys the comedy is out of control completely ruined hulk and thor
@@kyoki86 okay boomer
@@spec7923
Verix Boomer, wow that’s so funny and fucking original
@@kyoki86 MCU does comedy _a lot_ better than the Disney SW films. It actually works in comic book films.
"how comedy kills EVERY disney movie that shouldn't be a comedy"
honestly, disney just can't handle sincerity of any kind these days so they undercut their own storytelling CONSTANTLY with these kinds of jokes. i hate it so much.
a person this has been my problem with Disney for a LONG time
Seriously. Like in ROS they’re literally about to be executed by firing squad and still cracking jokes, like it completely destroys the immersion and you’re just reminded you’re watching a shitty movie
this was one of my issues with endgame, i still love the movie don’t get me wrong, but the humor in some scenes can really ruin the serious tone the movie should have after the events in infinity war
@@enzl4493 i finally bit the bullet and finished the last few marvel movies this year and endgame was a terrible movie, which was disappointing because infinity war was actually pretty good. marvel movies were doomed the second disney took over because this awful style of comedy.
@@aperson9847 yeah well although i love the film, the “bathos” is just too out of place at times, like when star lord gets kicked in the balls by gamora in the final battle
Funny how twitter is "canceling" the actors for saying they didnt like making this movie, not the fans, but the actors themselves. Insane.
Brenx Bux the truth is you’re most likely the insane person here
@@dinosore4782 Because I listen to when actors critique the movies theyre in?
You can't bully someone nameless but you can bully someone famous.
@@dinosore4782
Yeah, he is insanely correct, nerd
It's not like you narrowed things down.
Twitter eventually comes after everyone.
Here’s what I think is the difference between the jokes in The Last Jedi and the jokes in the original movies: people in real life joke around. This happens in the original. However, in The Last Jedi, they don’t joke, they TELL jokes. The humor is made for the audience, not for the characters around them like when people actually joke. In the last jedi, “Let the wookie win” would’ve been after a pause and then cut to next scene, aka a joke by the script. In the original, “Let the wookie win” is in a conversation, aka a joke by C3P0.
This
Clattering Skeleton Man agreed
That's an incredibly important point, and one that actually answers a question that was rattling around in my head while watching this. Why does the combination of humour and extremely dark and bleak situations work so well in infinity war? Because for the most part, all of those funny moments feel natural, and make sense in universe. They're something funny that emerges out of the characters we know, not characters being made to "do something funny".
Same with Star Wars dialogue it has its own kind I know people moaned about prequels dialogue but the ot dialogue had some bad ones aswell but was generally funny Luke and anakin whined a lot but I loved both of them. This was stupid comedy in a Star Wars movie
Well I’d agree but in infinity war they’re fucking lives are on the line from a few aliens and tony stark still has the time to call one of the aliens squidward and literally everybody in my movie theatre laughed hysterically
comedy makes you laugh. last jedi has no comedy.
but still the movie was a joke.
Its just suffering...
The whole movie feels like a troll by someone who hates Star Wars and deliberately wants to wreck it.
Facts
At least the prequels TRIED to be serious sometimes
Anne Marie Johnson revenge of the sith is a masterpiece compared to this
@@tacoblude8208 Even worse, the Phantom Menace was a creation of god compared to TLJ
Anne Marie Johnson I think ROTS was pretty fucking dark TLJ feels like it was made solely for kids who play fagnite
The best use of bathos i've seen is as a way of "concluding" a serious or emotional scene, such that the audience - who have been given the proper amount of time to process the emotion of a scene - is given the chance to emotionally "resurface". The timing of bathos, in this way, must be perfect, and the gag must not be too exaggerated.
An excellent example of this can be found in the anime "Time of Eve", which is about a near-future society where robots and humans co-exist as servant and master. The "Time of Eve" is a unique cafe where it's not possible to tell who is an android and who is human (as the androids remove their identifying markers), and the cafe requires that everyone treat each other as equals,
The scene in question pertains to a teenage boy learning a truth about his old family robot. He has long since believed that, when he was a young child, the robot was reprogrammed to no longer care about him, causing him long-term emotional distress and a giving him an ingrained dislike of robots.
In this scene, though, the robot becomes obliged - through "Three Laws" directives - to reveal that it never stopped caring about him. The robot was just ordered by the boy's father to act as if it didn't, because the father was concerned that his son was becoming too attached to this robot. Because it was obliged to follow the father's orders, the robot acted as if it no longer cared about the boy.
Only in this moment - where the boy's emotional distress at the robot's apparent "betrayal" was poised to cause him harm - was the robot finally able to reveal the truth: that the robot had always cared about him, but was unable to express it.
When the boy - now in his late teens - is told this, he breaks down, hugging the robot and telling it that he's sorry he ever doubted it. The other characters watch tearfully as the two hug it out. The audience is allowed time to empathise with the feelings present in the scene.
When the boy recovers enough to stop crying, he says that he and the robot need to go home to deal with everything that's been revealed, their mutual bond renewed. However, when the pair move to leave, the robot - which moves on hidden wheels, like a Roomba - is unable to climb the stairs. It bounces impotently off the bottom step, while the other characters look on, bemused. Someone out of shot asks how it even got down the stairs in the first place. Another voice replies that he "carried it down".
This is a really, _really_ good example of how to use bathos. It allows the characters, and the audience, to fully process the scene, allowing it the "cool down" gradually and organically. Then, once this emotional peak has been cleared, humour is used - in a restrained and tasteful way - to allow the audience to "move on" from the strong emotion present earlier in the scene.
That scene's just stayed with me for years because of how well it juxtaposes intense emotions with humour. It just works so well.
About the Saving Private Ryan scene, I always felt like comedy with soldiers bantering and telling funny stories almost always had a place in war movies. Would have been cool to see the Rebel soldiers or clones in the prequels bantering
If only there was a Band of Brothers Star Wars that takes an in the trenches story that can highlight the horrors of war.
@@Rainbowhawk1993 they should do a mini live action series for that
@@Rainbowhawk1993 isn't that kinda like the clone wars series?
Battlefront 2 (2005) has some unit banter lines.
Republic Commando is told through the eyes of a clone so that fits too.
Galactic Battlegrounds has funny voice lines for each unit.
KOTAR is a little cometic sometimes but you can joke around some.
Force Unleashed (1 and 2) has zero funny lines other than mildly amusing pleas for you to stop killing them
Just some Star Wars games that might sate your space banter.
Banter between clones must be boring.
Alpha: Hey, remember how we were next to each other back when we were in amniotic vats?
Phi: Oh, yeah! You always had an egg shaped head, haha!
Alpha: So did you, genius!!
Phi: Your mom!
Clones...
The moment Luke threw the lightsaber off the cliff, I knew something was off with the movie. The entire movie of Episode VII was leading up to Rey finding Luke, and that last scene where she held out the lightsaber was one of there most powerful scenes in any Star Wars movie. And then for Luke to throw it off the cliff in Episode VIII... man, that just made a joke of the entire last movie. Bathos, that's a word I'll have to keep in mind for the future. Thank you
Didn't throw me off. I knew something like that was going to happen. Certainly added to the movie for me
The funny thing is, I didn't find that scene funny at all. There was so much expectation, that when he threw it over his shoulder , I thought "oh no! something is very wrong here." In more ways than one.
I actually wanted to leave the cinema the moment Luke threw the Lightsaber away. :/
It's like it's some unsubtle hint to the audience the filmmakers are saying don't take any of this seriously
Same here..
Imagine bathos in the order 66 scenes
After killing a Jedi the clones call dibs on who gets the lightsaber
Flagship Productions next star wars director confirmed.
Disney would probably try to do it
@@nikblask6300 It would be more horrifying than the shining itself.
"Wait, but what about the Droid Atack on the Woo- *Dies*
Can’t agree more. When Poe talks about the general’s mother i just wanted to cry… since when the enemy in star wars is a joke? The empire was terrifying, the emperor, vader, maul, Doku… all scary enemies. Yes, han, Obi wan could make some jokes once in a while to lower the tension of the scene, but none of them broke the scenes
I think the problem is that Bathos happened everywhere:
-We can't win, we must run. 1 ship proceeds to take out the enemy flag ship
-We need a find THE code breaker. There are apparently many code breakers
-Leia dies from explosive decompression. Leia learns to force grapple herself to safety
-There's nowhere left to run, except that rebel base close by
-Fin can sacrifice himself to save everyone. Girlfriend says no and proceeds to kill herself
-Main villain is mysterious all powerful Sith Lord in the shadow. Is really a pimp
-The ship is about to lose all her shields and fuel. The hyper space ram was an option of lazy writing
-Fin faces Phasma, his arch rival and suffers from a great fall. "Hey"
-Luke shows up to save the day. Turns out to be a force projection
-Luke turning out to be a force projection and was never in any real danger. PROCEEDS TO DIE ANYWAYS?
@Uliserious bingo
Yep, good description. What annoys the shit out of me, too, is how people call that stuff "genius" because it "subverts expectations". They're literally just repeating the Rian Johnson talking point because there's no substance in the movie.
The fleet is doomed. Let's wait until the end of the movie, then invent Hyperspace Hulk Smash to get us out of this situation.
That hospital ship that ran out of fuel earlier? That maneuver wouldn't have worked then, because . . . . . reasons.
Also Holdo needs to sacrifice herself because our ships don't have autopilots and we can't get a droid to do it.
None of that is Bathos, just poor storytelling. Bathos is more like sudden and unexpected incongruencies played for laughs.
@Cian McCabe how do you know that? Did the film explain this in any way? if not its bad writing...
When Luke threw his lightsaber I wanted to leave the theater- it was too off character, and it didn’t make sense
It did. He realized that The Jedi caused lots of problems, the latest is with Kylo
@Captain Drama I'm with you man! All it takes is one reasonably put negative comment and a load of others jump on it. I have read maybe a handful of negative criticisms about this movie...but I have heard 1000's of people say the same thing, like a minor bird or a parrot copying what they just heard.
@Ios5513 i am sure the guy is peeing his pants at the thought of a Star wars nerd threatening him.
the last jedi is a laughing stock,you new fans dont know shit lol
@@davidlean1060 The tone, the continuity, the action, the backstory, the sets, the logic, and the comedy. So you know, everything that makes up a movie. And those are just a few of the problems to list off the top of my head but I know there is much more. People are saying the same things because they are watching the same movies with the same problems you stupid fuck. Congratulations on being in the extreme minority of people who enjoy this dumpster fire of a movie, and give yourself a nice pat on the back for being different than the majority and therefore super cool and edgy. After your done patting yourself on the back, find a bridge and hop off it.
I don't think comedy _killed_ The Last Jedi, per se, but it certainly made the corpse stink all the more.
Jerkwad152 LMFAO. 👍
Better joke than anything in the film
What corpse? It grossed 1.33 billion
Black French popularity doesn't equal quality. Most people have the shittiest tastes.
@@Big-guy1981 Sounds great, but when you factor in that they're cashing in on a franchise decades of years old, held in very high esteem.. it's not strange that a horrible film can have a lot of people buying tickets. Star wars has become a household name. Even if someone else tells you it's bad, as a star wars fan, you want to see it. That's how good original star wars was; it could convince me to watch the last Jedi. Rogue one, I didn't end up seeing. I bought it later on sale. I didn't even bother trying to see solo. I have zero plans to.
Biggs: Luke, at that speed will you be able to pull out in time?
Luke: LAMAO that’s what she said! :3
I would consider myself a Star Wars fan boy but the last Jedi was cringe worthy. After the exchange between Poe and Hux I found myself reaching for the remote but realised I was in a movie theater.
I kept checking my phone during the Canto Bight scenes and forgot a few times I was watching a star wars movie.
Funnily enough I tried to watch this movie again and give it a second chance. I switched it off two mins into that exact scene, I just couldn't do it.
Bro when that part happened I realized this movie was not going to be good at all.
all my flags went up at that point and it only got worse from there. I genuinely believe it beats AOTC and TPM for the most cringe star wars film by a fair bit
I was hyped and looked forward for this movie for so long and when this happened I almost left the cinema. The force awakening was satisfying but the stupid jokes annoyed me there as well
I don't know why nobody talks about it but that is literally what I hate the most about the new star wars movies
Yep. I already had a bad feeling when I watched episode 7 and the movie interrupts the very first, very serious scene with a completely out-of-place line by Poe that would only be funny for kids that are too young for the movie in the first place. And it only got worse by the minute.
Becouse most of people are just mediocre and cant use brain for think or analyse
I know right.... nobody believe me aswell
Have the exact same feeling about most Marvel movies. A moment is supposed to be very serious and the characters are joking or the director throws a joke in the script.
But the amount of jokes in Episode VIII ruined the whole experience for me. It's like the movie is catered to fit everyone, instead of pleasing the HUGE core audience it already has. I'm not even excited for Episode IX anymore, I just hope they bring back JJ Abrams
Star Wars Fans: Jar Jar Binks is the worst character of all time
Ryan Johnson: Hold my beer...
I saw a theory before Force Awakens came out that the character, Snoke, was actually a masked Jar Jar. It actually added up and would have been an awesome twist and character save. People would have been astounded and then have their minds blown when they remember that his actions ended up putting Palpatine in power and that "there is no luck, only the force" and Jar Jar was actually very lucky in his fight against the droid army leading to the notion that Jar Jar must have had a very prolific natural connection with the Force. Deception is a great tool for a warrior when everyone thinks you are just clumsy and silly and yet you face down an entire army. Oh yes, Jar Jar had potential what if he was fooling everyone the entire time and was acting as a double agent or what if he had this natural driving force that pushed him to the dark side against his knowledge or perhaps even against his will? The same way the audience didn't take Yoda seriously at first Jar Jar could have been a dark version of Yoda.
^ the best, thank you ^
Yeah of course he sucks, that retribution opportunity was missed completely maybe because Disney was too much of a coward to even touch Jar Jar again or they didn't even think of this. But imagine if Yoda wasn't a Jedi master and he was just a silly looking green dude that talked funny and hit robots with a stick. I mean, he still wouldn't be worse than Jar Jar but he would have been pretty lame just sticking around (pun intended) the main characters as some comic relief.
I laughed so hard...
After seeing this comment yet again
He’s still the worst character lol
The scene where Po prank calls the dude caused me to almost walk out, I remember thinking "Uh-oh, I'm not gonna be able to sit through this".
I hated that so much. Hux was one of my favorites and they murdered his character with that scene.
I looked at my dad. Who is old enough to have seen the og trilogy in theatres at release. Who introduced Star Wars to me as a boy. I have so many memories at universal studios and going to see the prequels together and rouge one which I cried at 😂 and we looked at each other and my old man said to me “was that a your mum joke in Star Wars?” My heart broke for him. I know it’s fucking lame but these are more than films to many people. They are experienced and core foundational memories with loved ones and Disney killed all of that.
@@Marshmobilise Yeah, I saw the originls in theaters too, Star Wars was a huge part of my childhood. I was not a fan of the prequels and really disliked some of the choices made in those movies, but, I never felt like the series was being deliberately disrespected. They seemed like an honest attempt to recreate the magic, for me that attempt failed but I can recognize that there's a younger generation whose first introduction to the franchise came from those movies and they still love them. Its hard to imagine any kids growing up with that same feeling for the recent sequels, I guess we'll know in another decade or so.
That really set the tone for the rest of the movie. You knew at your heart this is not gonna be a Star Wars film. It’s some sick fraud wearing it’s corpse.
For me the most jarring tonal moment was when they show the resistance pilots getting into their X-wings in the ship hangar, then a bomb hits and *kills* literally all of them. All these people just burned to a crisp. What do they show *RIGHT* after? BB-8 bouncing off the wall and making silly noises.
People in the theatre were laughing and I was just like...err, we just saw about 50 good guys get burned to death 2 seconds ago, why do you think this is funny? :\
I feel like Star Wars has always had that problem, though, at least with the modern movies. They're constantly trying to be both a kids' movie and an adult sci-fi and the two really don't mix.
The fact that people near you were laughing just shows how intellectually shallow and easily manipulated people are. It's like a personification of ADD and as much as it frightens me to say this, it might show the writers and directors understand the stupidity of people in the audience and made a film for them.
+airlockengage
so you decided not to take anything seriously and focused on the comedy?
well, thats one way to enjoy a film. Good on you.
@@postwickSo I have long since come to a conclusion that really explained a huge amount of the world for me - I think a surprising amount of people literally cannot hold a narrative in their head. They experience each scene as its own thing, they frankly even go thru life that way. IMO it explains both the state of media and the state of politics. They don't care about fact checking because each moment just exists and whatever feeling is being evoked in the moment is what they believe. It's hard to wrap your head around if you ARE narratively inclined but yeah. They just can't hold a sequence of events in their head.
I knew this movie was going to suck when the opening sequence was Poe pranking General Hux with the I can't hear you routine. The entire movie was dreadful and it irrevocably ruined Star Wars.
Blingdream agreed. I couldnt laugh about that lame joke right at the start. All i could think of was "omg here we go"
And the audience was laughing like group of soy pinguins
Blingdream I agree, but the scene was very funny. However this trilogy should’ve taken a more serious tone from the start. Most movies nowadays try a copy Marvel but they can’t seem to do any justice
Lol Too bad you couldn't enjoy it. That scene was hilarious.
I gave up when the Leia poppins scene appeared
It's like the film was written by Stephen Speilberg and Jerry Sinefeld but they took it in turns to write a paragraph after briefly given context as to whats happening without actually reading what each other wrote.
Edit: To clear things up I was referring to the tone of the movie and not the actual quality of the jokes and writing. Speilberg and Sinefeld are true masters of their craft.
Monmonstar Like that game where you draw a section of a creature, fold the paper at the end of your contribution, then let someone else continue the drawing?
That's an insult to Spielberg and Seinfeld. Even if they did that, it would be far better than what we got.
Then had two directors, and two editing teams fighting over it.
While the people at the top didn't give anyone room to breathe.
You must have discovered cinema 10 minutes before writing this comment to compare The Last Jedi to Spielberg.
Spielberg isn’t that good, he can make some pretty bad films. Just look at Ready Player One and Hook.
YES! That was my exact feeling from the very beginning of the movie. The comedy was so out of place it was jarring. I hated the scene w/ Luke tickling Rey's hand, it destroyed the importance of what was supposed to be happening.
Space Balls 2: The last Jedi
at least Mel Brooks knows how to use comedy correctly
Spaceballs was just awesome and funny as hell.
How dare you make fun of Space Balls, it doesn't deserve to be in the same category as TLJ.
@@jimhuffman9434 😂😂
my sincere apologies....DON'T SHOOT ME IN THE NUTS!!
Good to see Disney writing material to inspire Spaceballs 2.
...You mean The Last Jedi _wasn't_ Spaceballs 2?
Non Partisan Gun Owner 😂😂😂😂
@@SphinxMouto If it was, then it still failed at being a good parody.
@@SphinxMouto Well, the Star Wars series has currently turned into "The Search for More Money"
Uhh...this was Spaceballs 2.
When Attack of the Clones has a more consistent tone, you know you're doing something wrong.
@Iroquois Pliskin I personally hate it, but only because when I was a young teenager I watched it probably every other day because it was the only Star Wars film we had on DVD and we removed the VHS player that had been destroyed in a power surge when lightning struck the tree next to our house so we couldn't watch any other Star Wars movie for like... three years. The dialogue was cringy, sure. But really, that's the only problem I had with it. I mean, teenagers write better love poetry to their crushes than the dialogue between Anakin and Padme.
Qrazy Quarian Man I just rewatched it and it was painful. The way every character was written and no one has emotions is downright bizarre. The CGI has aged badly too. But seeing the Clone Wars is still incredible
@Ultra Mega Hype Beast didn't ask
Attack of the Clones is not bad movie. Most critics today are movie illiterate. David Stewart rate it 8/10 and I agree. Ep2 has million details. For me third or fourth best ever.
Just scenes like battle on Kamino, Obi Wan vs Jango in asteroid field etc... Movie have good pace between Obi Wan, galactic happenings and slower Anakin and Padme scenes.. Everything what is needed to explain movie can be found in the movie.
Key things happened in ep2 like Anakin's first step into anger and darkness, Palpatine got emergency powers, Obi wan found mystery about Kamino and thousands of systems started move for independence from republic under Dooku, clone army and jedi in fight and beginning of Clone Wars
CGI is still great(check Corridor Crew vid about PT CGI if you doubt) Count Dooku was awesome, Obi wan and Jango excellent. Yoda fighting Dooku was great and finally Yoda was Jedi, not someone who stand aside and Padme and Anakin scenes work pretty well even if you don't like their relationship because there is million of videos about them each have million views so there is peoples that like them
Even The Clone Wars had a humoristic, maybe even younger-audience oriented touch and it was still serious and had plot, it followed the rules of the Star Wars universe and and logic and continuity. Bathos would’ve fit in perfectly in Clone Wars (can’t remember if they did use it), but in the alternative Universe the call third trilogy, it’s just a spit on the grave of what the real star wars with it’s whole universe of content now is
I liked the last Jedi well enough in my first viewing, except the fight between Kylo and Luke at the end.
This is Luke's final act. The main character who started the whole series is sacrificing himself to save the rebellion, and Kylo Ren is going insane after seeing the teacher who ruined his life. This should be deadly serious.
And then, he survives an impossible amount of laser fire and brushes off his shoulder like it was nothing.
THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR COMEDY.
I think he was trying to taunt kylo
Wasn't the whole point of that scene that Luke tried to piss Kylo off?
That iron scene tricked my brain into thinking it was Spaceballs. I remember being legit confused at what I was watching for a few seconds.
How can you be illegitimately confused?
OldUKads Because the last jedi and space balls are one in the same
The movie should just be 2 hours of the milking scene
It would probably still break records lol
There is plenty of Rule 34 with Luke and Thala-sirens (the green breast milk creatures)
Give RUclips another month, if that isn't already a thing.
Did you see The Director and The Jedi? Man, so much money and effort was put into that scene; they actually built those huge space cow animatronics with complex milking mechanisms, flew them with a helicopter to the island, all to get that shot of Luke wiping his beard and going "ahhhhh"...
+Shir Deutch When you have Disney money, with the backing and blessing of DIsney, why not?
Anyone else got like 3 Last Jedi analysis videos today?
Gabe O'Malley 2 for me
Gabe O'Malley I got 2 td lol
same
This is the third for me. Just Write, LFTS, and now this.
I know, I was kind of amused by the fact 3 channel were all of a sudden covering the topic xD
"if they had comedic line after comedic line, that could have worked, too."
no . . . i doubt that. very much. i just don't believe people _ever_ wanted their favorite franchise degraded into a wacky laughingstock.
"That was it. That was the last- That was- Dan went off to basic the next day. That was the last night the four of us were together."
That line/delivery breaks me every single time I've seen Saving Private Ryan.
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
This trilogy is such a dissapointment. I liked the idea of Finn, a brainwashed ex-soldier. I love Kylo ren's lightsaber, the crossguard makes it look a lot more weighty for some reason. And i like the idea of a shamed, fallen Luke Skywalker. Too bad they just ruined it.
The force awakens was a lazy copy and the last jedi wasn't even a good deconstruction.
Although JJ Abrams had some good ideas that got ruined or went nowhere in TLJ, Finn was a character that was wasted in his own movie, like even Abrams didn't know where to go with him. It's really cool how he breaks down after the slaughter of innocents, but then he gleefully mows down his former comrades when he helps Poe escape. He has a touching moment with Poe where he actually gets his own name instead of a serial number (kind of like the Unsullied in GoT/ASOIAF reacquiring their identities after being freed), but shortly later asks Rey if she has a boyfriend. He's supposed to be a simple janitor, yet seems to know information way above his pay-grade. A scene early on has Captain Phasma discussing how he's never malfunctioned before this suddenly going AWOL, but the plotline goes nowhere after that scene.
Good idea for a character, bad execution when the director doesn't seem to have a plan. Which kind of describes the whole new Star Wars trilogy as a whole.
Saw the movie on opening night. After the initial cheers from the crawl, the audience never laughed again. We all walked out in utter silence and disbelief... Whatever jokes they had fell flat, and just didn't work. Movie was somewhere between boring rubbish and intellectually insulting.
really? almost everyone laughed in the theatre i was in. i thought i was the minority that hated this film.
@@WhatsY0UTUB3 glad you liked it, but clearly the box office doesn't support your assertion. It was a failure...
callmejob You read his comment wrong. He said he hated the film but a large part of the theater he was in laughed.
I saw the movie twice (that was my mistake, somehow I completely unconsciously ignored or forgot about all the cringe, humour and canto bight stuff, somehow) the first time only 2 people of around 40+ (in the cinema and in age) laughed at 90% of the jokes, the other 38 were dead silent but then the 2nd time I was with a fair few casuals of around 30 and half of them laughed consistently but most of them that did were younger than 15 with the occasional parent and idiotic gullible person. (FYI the 2nd time I saw it was with my father who grew up with the OT, but doesn't see a problem with Jar Jar or Jake Loyds acting so I was unsure how he would feel about this one and he tends to be pretty collected, that wasn't the case with this film)
" We all walked out in utter silence and disbelief..." bullshit. Plenty of people liked the movie.
"This is not Space Balls" is something the creators o the sequels should've taken to heart
The Joss Whedon effect. Where everybody has to be a snarky smarmball to show off how tongue-in-cheek the creator is.
You forgot to mention that Joss is a way better filmaker than Ruin Johnson.
@@christianschmidt8476 Yeah, lots of people try to copy him without unserstanding what msde it work.
@@notapplicable6985 I disagree. Its only the marvel topic he was given is what made it work.
Just look at how he forced it on justice league and fucked up batman with that bathos. Not saying it had a chance before joss but making Bruce wayne a bumbling goof in interactions like a Bruce banner type was just woeful
Yeah, joss whedon sucks
Yeah it ruins the MCU
Disney doesn't understand what Star Wars is about (i am talking about the new trilogy)... so far Rogue One was the best in terms of "feels" what Star Wars is about i think
That movie rogues!
For me it was Solo, weirdly. I expected the movie to be garbage, but it reminded me what it was like to watch a new Star Wars movie.
R1 didn't feel "star wars" to me but you could tell it was definitely in that universe and is thus far my favourite film Disney has done with the brand. To me the film they have done that feels the most like Star Wars is TFA but that doesn't automatically make it a good star wars film at all and I think it's just okay with a 5.5-6/10 and fyi the lowest rated star wars movie for me is a 5/10
Actually Rogue One is terrible. The good guys aren't really good guys. They essentially take Jana Orso prisoner. They interrogate a guy to see what he knows only to make him into a vegetable to then realize he was telling the truth. Everyone in Rogue One is a hateble character. That's not Star Wars.
@@anthonywarren9885 that's the point, the good guys aren't supposed to be the good guys, it's a whole morally grey area which is what makes it interesting and reflects the nature of the force. There aren't any in real life anyway
that sponsor segment felt a bit drawn out, just saying
I get your point and honestly agree but at the same time it seems to have been a pretty deep issue he had so it turned into a rant, happens to everyone sometimes. Again I agree just ya know, in his defense
the difference is that scene in django was funny
The reason that works in django is because the whole thing is just stupid (in a good way)
Star Wars could have been the next LOTR in terms of epicness. LOTR had a perfect blend of great dramatic moments and small windows of light hearted jokes which worked.
Because it was written by a Genius not a Feminist piece of Dogshit.
And because it wasn't written by Peter Jackson either. Would've been the King Kong of the Rings. Or worse.
Uhh.. no it couldn't have. Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest stories ever told. It was written, edited and refined by arguably one of the greatest authors in history over the span of several decades. Star Wars was a fun space opera with really cool characters and interesting lore that branched off into hundreds of different sub stories and is now being milked endlessly. It has been nearing empty for decades, yet still companies continue to squeeze out every last little drop because apparently the final drops are the most valuable because people are so starved for another taste. It should have died long ago. It was a great trilogy and it should have probably ended there. It's officially dead now that Disney got their hands on it.
It's as if Disney had no plan and Ruin Johnson threw away everything JJ Abrams had set up and written for him, and instead he submitted the first draft. Oh... wait.
@Arvak777 I'd be interested to know to what extent Rian was or wasn't following JJ's notes. In some ways TLJ is a natural progression from TFA. TFA sets out a tale that was such a textbook example of Star Wars heroism and plot that people complained about how unimaginative and cliched it was. Then TLJ comes out and dissects and deconstructs the flaws in those cliches.
We'll know with the next film. If that actually *was* their plan all along, then Episode 9 will follow through by aiming to reconstruct Star Wars into something that resolves the flaws identified by the deconstruction in a way that recombines it with the core spirit of Star Wars.
If that *wasn't* their plan all along... umm, yeah...
It amazes me that people can make comprehensive, well thought out videos like this, and there are still those who chalk up TLJ's bad ratings to "trolls."
I have nothing wrong with people liking bad movies, but to keep pretending it is somehow flawless is beyond me.
It's all right here in this exchange:
Luke Skywalker: Where are you from?
Rey: Nowhere.
Luke: No one's from nowhere.
Rey: Jakku.
Luke: All right; that is pretty much nowhere. (Badum-tish) Why are you here, Rey from nowhere?
Rey: The Resistance sent me. The First Order has become unstoppable-
Luke: Why are you here?
Rey: Something inside me has always been there...but now it's awake, and I'm afraid. I don't know what it is, or what to do with it, but I need help.
Luke: You need a teacher...I can't teach you.
Rey: Why not? I've seen your daily routine; you are not busy. (Badum-tish)
Luke: I will never train another generation of Jedi. I came to this island to die. It's time for the Jedi...to end.
Misplaced comedy removed:
Luke Skywalker: Where are you from?
Rey: Nowhere.
Luke: No one's from nowhere.
Rey: Jakku.
Luke: Why are you here, Rey from Jakku?
Rey: The Resistance sent me. The First Order has become unstoppable-
Luke: Why are you here?
Rey: Something inside me has always been there...but now it's awake, and I'm afraid. I don't know what it is, or what to do with it, but I need help.
Luke: You need a teacher...I can't teach you.
Rey: Why not?
Luke: I will never train another generation of Jedi. I came to this island to die. It's time for the Jedi...to end.
That line "Okay that is pretty much nowhere" was my favorite moment of the entire movie. It was a great delivery, it was hilarious and it was a perfect callback to the last movie, continuing the running joke of how horrible Jakku is.
It's not the line itself it's where it is used in the context of the conversation they are having. I personally don't want my Jedi Knights joking during a exchange where one is saying she is lost and the other wants to die and the order to end.
Nah, that Jakku line is actually good. Despite this video's points about misplaced comedy, that Jakku line was golden.
You've just made the conversation less interesting, and taken away some of the character from the exchange.
The Jakku line is hardly an out of place joke, Jakku IS a joke. Everyone in the galaxy seems to know how much of a dump the place is, so if someone told Luke they were from Jakku, it's no wonder he'd be a little taken aback. Rey's quip about Luke's daily routine isn't out of place either, because she's frustrated with him. She's travelled a long dangerous journey, only to find out that he's not what she expected him to be. She's confused and slightly annoyed with him, it's hardly surprising that she'd be a little sarcastic.
These lines aren't gut-busting jokes, they're brief moments of character which stop the scene from being too po-faced. In fact, I'd say Luke's line "I came to this island to die" is more impactful after Rey's sarcastic comment, because it highlights how wrong her assumptions about Luke were.
I like the edited scene better.
Poe making a troll call to Hux like 5mn after the film start.
Me in the cinéma : I have a bad feeling about this.
I think another reason that the funny story in Saving Private Ryan works is because not only does it give more weight to the story but because it fleshed out the Ryan brothers. Until that moment, Ryan and his brothers had been McGuffins (a plot device that kicks off the storyline but otherwise has no importance). Private Ryan was the last surviving son of his family and that he needed to go home as part of the last survivor policy. An average cast/crew could've ignore it or worse still made it a sob story. Instead, they chose to have Ryan tell a funny story about the last night his family was together. Not only did it shed light on the closeness of the Ryan family but it was a reminder that he was part of a loving family that has been torn apart by war. Therefore, it gives more weight to the firefight because we have more reason to see them succeed. Ryan has become a person that we care about in that moment and we have more reason to be invested in his survival.
@janeyrevanescence12 Well said!
Actually the whole story Ryan told was improvised. Look it up ;)
Can you imagine what the new trilogy could have been? It could have been the trilogy of the decade. They ruined it all.
n1k0 Nefast the force awakens showed promise it was never going to amaze people like episode 4 besides some weird moments which all the movies had it was good then this came
"it was never going to amaze people like episode 4" ... No. You must not think like that. thats the problem with people. They shouldve think:`"We will amaze people. we will make the best star wars trilogy, ever. the most epic. the most fun. They're gonna be thrilled." The force awakens is not a good movie. I couldnt care less about Rey, Ben, Finn, Snoke, Hux.... and Maz Kanata? oh please. thats a disaster.
n1k0 Nefast Agree with you....
Couldn't agree more.
When Hermit Yoda fights R2 for the lamp, in degoba, and beats R2 up with his cane 😂
14:19 I genuinely thought this scene was from spaceballs and that you were using spaceballs as an example; what a joke...
It's true! I also felt like that when I saw that scene in this video here. I didn't remember it from TLJ, so I immediatly thought that it was from Spaceballs.
I don't remember that scene at all, but I was pretty thoroughly checked out that by point. I just wanted the movie to end, so I could just go home and pretend it was all a nightmare.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I actually loved this joke. It was the only one I had even a thought of laughing at in the movie.
I also forgot about that part, although I forgot about most of the movie thankfully.
You're right, it would fit perfectly!
I remember when a spaceship came down and it looked a lot like an iron, as it turns out, it was an iron.
I was baffled because it did not seem like an appropriate joke in a mostly serious movie. It just took me out of the move and made me think of why they would use that "joke"
what are you talking about?
@@leonpaelinckdid you watch the video
Fans:So last jedi what do you want to be?
The Last Jedi:I DONT KNOW
More like 'we don't care'.
I just had to imagine Tenth Doctor shouting that line like in Chrismas Invasion.
Give the movie credits, the fans wouldn't have been happy whatsoever.
Jar Jar is the key to all this
Jar Jar - The original Star Wars Bathos before it was cool.
Jar Jar is the Key, Rose Tico is the Lock, and L3-37 is the door.
G. Lucas the Death Star will aim at your house
and by the way. Greedo never SHOT at Han Solo.
Because he's a funnier character than we;ve ever had.
Star wars is more machine now than man twisted and evil
Raven Whiteduck Obi Wan predicted the future.
Fueled by soy chugging douchebags
Lol
The MCU is way worse asshole.
How many years has it been since this film came out? I still haven’t stopped hating this movie.
It's not that johnson doesnt understand bathos; it's that he doesn't appreciate star wars. He thinks star wars is stupid and the fans stupider. He thinks star wars is a joke, and that's why all the moments that should have awesome were a joke. This is what happens when a director genuinely does not like the fans of the universe he was hired to contribute to.
Yes. KK hates that the bulk of Star Wars fandom is male and that most of the characters in SW are men. She is using SW as a tool of social engineering, not just to show strong, capable female characters but to make every male character evil, a failure or both.
you gave him too much credit, i think hes just a bad dirctor overall
choreomaniac If the female characters in Last Jedi are supposed to be strong and capable then Kennedy really needs to hire better writers.
Exactly...you get that sense from his response to any criticism
@@fatcat871 - And horrible writer! He admits it even! Why would anyone give a dude who says he is a terribly slow and lazy writer that plagerizes when he can, the keys to the greatest franchise ever to utterly destroy? It was even his first draft! KK read that crap and said "Yes, this will be amazing Star Wars movie-going!"
Its mind blowing that shit was approved with zero rewrites??? What film does that on such a high expectation franchise? I even heard Johnson say he finished TLJ before TFA was complete! What bizzaro shit is that??? Then when TFA was changed a bit, Johnson did no retcon to make the films compatible. What trash writing!!!!
One important aspect of that story Matt Damon tells in Saving Private Ryan, was that it was completely ad libbed by Damon and not in the script at all. Tom Hanks' reaction to it is genuine.
Michael Van Sise - great moment in a truly great movie.
The important part was, it was the character telling the joke, not the producer, who actually maintains tone throughout
@@stevecarter8810 what are you trying to say? I don't think very many producers put themselves in movies just so they can tell jokes.
I don't think I laughed at a single "joke" in TLJ. I was merely irritated.
Marcel Krebs same here
I had a small pity laugh during the "prank call" bit. Mostly out of sadness for the poor writing, and before I realized what I was in for.
Marcel Krebs I laughed at Rey being hit with the leaf by Luke, but more because she was so annoying and I felt she deserved that
The only good one was when Luke brushed his shoulder after being fired on by the AT-M6
I gotta be honest, the scene, where Rey figures out how Luke Is living nowadays, with these space-cows, and then him drinking that green goo, and then the follow up with the stick over the cliff in an "tarzan"-kindoff manner, made me and my sister laugh so hard, it didn't stop for long. And then when it stopped we looked at each other, and burst out in laughter once again, but already in a way more serious scene.
Yea it kindoff was funny, but it was absolute poison for the movie. Thats the problem.
Po's prank call ended the movie for me. So glad I didn't pay to watch it in the cinema. If a single rebel star fighter can single handedly disarm a star destroyer... how are the First Order winning the war?
That was the problem. When the villains play along with the wisecrackings of the heroes, they stop feeling like a threath
Almost nothing in this movie was allowed to be taken seriously. The dramatic moments are so frequently undercut by bad jokes, as if the filmmakers didn't trust their audience not to think drama was cheesy? I don't really know the intention, but I know it didn't work for a lot of viewers, and in my own experience, the forced humor made the film feel like a fluff piece rather than a crucial or pivotal moment in the Star Wars canon.
I stopped watching after the weird phone call gag.
It is not Star Wars, and felt like a lame fan fiction attempt at making a film.
Uhhh I have a question. Is there a reason all of the writing video essayists Im subscribed to decides to make a video on the last Jedi today? Is that a coincidence? Is something happening?
It's a conspiracy ;D
The Closer Look it's a trap!
Like who
DJ Howard I was wondering the same thing, what's going on ??? 😂
I think it's because TLJ is now on DVD and now they can use the video material
The humour was the worst part of the movie. The Force Awakens had humour problems as well (mainly being too meta/self-aware). The humour really degraded my ability to immerse into the fantasy of these films.
Don't watch the old films then, because the humor is far far worse than in the two last movies. But I guess rose tinted glasses are quite strong on Star Wars.
+Agathia
you not liking the originals doesn't make TLJ good. It makes you petty.
You don't have to like the originals. Many people don't. But decent people want new movies to be made well, instead of trying to insult the past.
Out of curiosity what would you say to someone who hates the originals, loved TFA and hated TLJ?
With the petty "rose tinted glasses" out of the picture as you seem to want, what then would be the defense of the TLJ?
You are *absolutely* correct.
I agree with Agathia. The humor in the old movies is "childish", to say the least. Nevertheless, we enjoyed them. I consider this one has a more witty humor than the others.
+Mauricio Praga
Star Wars humor has never changed. You can compare any of the 8 main films and they have the same type of humor. What changes between them is the context of the jokes, and more importantly, how and when they are used.
If you think that humor is childish, thats fine. Personally, I don't but lets just go with agree to disagree since comedy is subjective to each person.
Out of all these scenes you showed, I think the only one that kinda works was the one when lightsaber flew out of Ray's grasp and bonked her on the head.
While it was silly it also showed how much more control over the force Snoke had, which I guess could work.
I've never known a movie be made with such joyful destruction. It as if they crafted it to be awful. What worries me is that somehow not everyone sees it...
I've seen clips of Rian Johnson excited to ruin peoples' childhood memories of Star Wars. Like he said that almost word for word.
@@sam8404 can you give a link to the video if you remember it? I really wanna see what that dipshit said
"Crafted it to be awful".
That's nearly every remake these days.
100%. It was intentional destruction of something that many love, and for no reason at all.
It feels like the writers were trying to make a good movie but Disney wanted to make them fail without the writers knowing.
I'll summarize my thought about bathos like this:
Humor is how we humans deal with bad situations, but nobody will burst out laughing during moments of stress.
Some people actually do start laughing when they're stressed/uncomfortable and don't know how to react.
In a film a funny moment to calm people down after a scary or sad scene is fine. But bad comedy in the background of serious scenes ruins them.
I watched The Last Jedi on DVD in my living room last week, and it was so bad I stood up and walked out of my own house.
I can understand.
This was free.
Ha ha ha brilliant
Thanh Tran did you sell your house with the DVD left in it?
Why didn't you just turn it off?
“A movie that tries to be something to everybody becomes nothing to everyone”
for me, the worst bathos is when Luke tosses his own lightsaber over his shoulder
UPsyloown That wasn't a Bathos that was the movie slapping you
That was expected after speculation from episode 7
it wasnt even meant to be funny for the sake of being funny, it was to show that hes not "The Luke Skywalker" anymore.
from the way the scene was laid out it sure seemed like a joke.
How it was executed made it like a joke. Better way for the scene to have gone through this was to just have Luke drop the light saber from his hands without throwing it.
You can't criticise the Last Jedi because immediately you are "a whiny boy", according to the very elaborate arguments from the "very objective" fans of this film.
You're also a sexist and a racist if you don't like the movie.
'Whiny boy' fits him well...The Last Jedi sucks because of bad storylines and editing not because of the bathos..This video failed to realize that Disney is for kids...You can't expect Ala Quentin Tarantino type of brutality from a dark themed Disney film...
Disney sucks
Who are these fans you speak of? I haven't seen any. Perhaps consider your migration options.
mark fourtwenty so are you implying the original star wars isnt suitable for kids?
Some good imagery but overall a bad film, lots of plot holes, and lack of character development or a fleshed out story. Too much silly humour and too many random coincidences. Just not a very well thought out film or plot.
You took the words out of my mouth. I didn't hate the movie as much as other people did. But I still disliked the movie. For me it is 4 out of 10. I'm able to rewatch without regretting it.
@@rascoehunter3608 same.
i find the Marvel-esk comedy so cringe now
I think that while I enjoy most of the MCU movies they have caused a lot of problems. Everyone wants to make a cinematic universe and everyone wants their action movies to double as comedies.
I forgot I made this comment and now I'm writing and essay on it.
This will continue to happen if Disney keeps buying of all the franchises.
SiDD It will continue to happen if they hire directors and producers who have no idea how to handle the franchise
Oh gosh, imagine Disney getting their hands on LOTR. ;-;
And if they do, they should be tried in the court of law for establishing a monopoly.
SiDD yea they completely killed Marvel huh. 🙄
Drake Turcotte You must be another kind of stupid to believe that, Disney is using the same template for all its movies
It's the same kind of jokes as the ones in The Predator. Do movie makers think that today's audiences can't handle serious scenes?
Yes. That is absolutely it.
I know Zack Snyder is give in a lot of hate but I think he is the one of the directors today that can actually make a serious sci-fi/superhero movie. In my opinion.
And predator was at least funny
well its kinda awkward but to be fair majority of today audience seems like they truly cant handle serious scenes.
The line in saving private Ryan was actually improvised. It was not planned. Maybe that's why it seems so real...
The problem I have with the last Jedi is that Rey is way too experienced when she barley has any experience in lightsaber fighting. Also, *THEY KILLED ACKBAR*
You want Admiral Ackbar to replace Holdo? I don't think Disney wants a character called "Ackbar" doing a suicide hyperspace ram...
I know this is kinda late but... Rey grew up on Jakku using a staff as her only defense you see her use in the Force Awakens as well!
I know they killed him off like he was nothing
@Juno A main problem in Force Awakens was her looks. Her being oddly skilled in different things can be explained away, but why does a bum working for food stamps from a greedy guy who tries to short change his customers look so good and healthy? If she's dirt poor make her look dirt poor, if she's not supposed to look like a bum don't make her a bum.
They could have improved her health and looks over the course of the movie if they felt they needed a pretty girl for the climax, it could even have been used to show the passing of time (if the movie didn't take place over the course of a few days), but the way it was handled it only made her seem unnatural and static.
And yes Anakin and his mother were also guilty of this.
@Juno I don't count him since a free farmer does stand above a slave or scavenger in wealth and social standing.
A new hope even established that his family wasn't dirt poor by giving him a glider that was an older model yet still mostly a luxury item (or having him purchase a protocol Droid for the family).
After the dumb phone prank, I fear next movie will have fart jokes
Dick Jokes
That's more of a Dreamworks / Illumination trope, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Phantom Menace beat you to it.
Viktor Aitmatov Episode 1 had a fart joke, so Star Wars isn't above it.
It'll have a disco dance scene, and whenever a joke is made it will have that disc scratching sound pause.
When The Last Jedi first came out, I was looking forward to watching it with my brother and father in theaters (as we had the previous movies). Before I got to go see it, my cousin (who isn't really big into Star Wars but finds them entertaining enough to go watch with his friends) went to see it. I asked him if it was good. He replied, "Yes. It was really funny." As soon as he said that, I recoiled a little in shock, as that was the last thing I was expecting to hear. After the moment of shock passed, I think I mumbled something along the lines of "Star Wars isn't a comedy," or something like that. After a while, I convinced myself that my cousin simply prefers comedy over the usual dramatic space opera stuff and so the funny stuff stuck out to him the most. After all, Star Wars has always had some funny moments (see Rogue One, Return of the Jedi, and Phantom Menace for details), so there was nothing to really worry about. Then I checked the reviews and saw that the critics loved the film. From that moment on, there was a sense of dread in the back of my mind. Me and the critics often do not see eye to eye on what makes a great movie.
Even so, I came into the theater with as much of an open mind as possible. I figured there was about a 50-50 chance that this would be good. By the time I left, I was close to tears. Not at how awe inspiring the story was or anything. Not even at the Death of Luke Skywalker. I was sad at how I had finally found a Star Wars movie that I didn't enjoy. My brother felt about the same way, though my father was unsure of how he felt as he fell asleep a few times during the film (he hadn't slept well the night before). After we had all had some time to digest the film, we all decided that what was missing most was the excellent storytelling of George Lucas... and also that it was filled with too many lame jokes.
I like how seeing high reviews from critics immediately gave you a bad feeling, and I can't blame you at all
the first time you see yoda he does an extended bit for like 30 minutes???? it's always been goofy as hell what are you talking about
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 The movie has 91% rating on rotten tomatoes and critics thought it was a great movie. The movie also made a lot of profit. So it was a critical and financial success. So idk what you're on about
@@achyuththouta6957 and the movie wasn’t even that bad. If any other movie was nitpicked as much as this one everyone would hate it to. People need to stop going over every line and every detail of every scene.
@@achyuththouta6957 the last Jedi is pure libtardism and the entire world hates it